WEBVTT - 01/26/22 DPS Hour 2 Tim Kurkjian 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.480 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.080 Sports Radio Our two on this Wednesday, Dan and The 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.039 Dane's Dan Patrick Show come on in stay a while 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.040 while you're here. Go to Dan Patrick dot com for 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.640 you Bengal fans. Chiefs fans got a new T shirt 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.360 for both of those fan bases. Go to Dan Patrick 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.000 dot com. Hall of Fame is one of the most 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:27.320 exclusive clubs in professional sports. But yesterday Cooperstown welcomed one 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.880 new member, and it's David Ortiz in his prime, one 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:35.120 of the more feared power hitters, certainly reputation for coming 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.360 up big in the clutch in the postseason. Won three 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:43.279 World Series titles, seventeenth all time and home runs. He 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.080 was great in the World Series World Series MVP one 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:50.000 year in twenty thirteen. But this is what happens. We 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.640 don't talk necessarily about who gets in. It's who didn't 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.320 get in, because Bonds and Clemens didn't get in again. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:00.120 But Ortiz deserves recognition first ballot Hall of Famer. The 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.920 Baseball Hall of Fame has two hundred and sixty eight 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.039 total players. Fifty eight have made it in on their 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.640 first ballot. It's rare company. David Ortiz a Hall of Famer, 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.479 and it feels like this time of the year, it's 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.319 about hypocrisy. Way you voted for that guy and not 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:23.120 that guy. Likability. David Ortiz, big poppy, is a big, 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:28.040 cuddly bear, big personality, did a lot of great things 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.679 in the postseason. Friends in the industry, works in the business, 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:36.160 works for Fox, and you can make a case that 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:41.640 Barry Bonds Kurt Schilling are not media friendly. Likability means 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.240 a lot here, whether it's conscious or self you know, subconscious, 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.160 it shouldn't matter. I don't. I don't like what Kurt 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.720 Schilling represents, what he says, how he says it. But 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.640 I think he's a Hall of Famer. If I had 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.760 a vote, I would say he's a Hall of Famer. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.440 I have a hard time I'm putting in Bonds and Clements. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:06.120 I just do. But it goes back to it's a museum. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.440 If you want to tell the story of baseball, and 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.680 you want to tell it through the lens of Barry 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.840 Bonds and Roger Clemens, make sure you tell the story. 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.040 And if you want to put in you know, it's 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.840 almost like make it interactive. If you can press a 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.200 button and you could hear his former trainer talking about him, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.120 or when he was in front of Congress, or what 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.440 happened with Balco with Barry Bonds and his trainer went 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:34.000 to prison rather than giving up any kind of information 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.079 on Barry Bonds. You know, Alex Rodriguez has been suspended 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.320 a couple of times. If you want to tell the 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.600 story of baseball, and you want to do it like 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:46.239 that and include those who were with you using steroids 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.160 and that you know era, because this is what the 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.880 argument is going to come down to. Yeah, but during 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.799 that time period, Okay, that doesn't make it right just 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.160 because hey, during that time period, everybody was doing steroids. Well, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.280 David Ortiz got caught with steroids in two thousand and three. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.200 He did, but that was supposed to be just a 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.639 random sampling of let's see how many people would test positive, 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:11.960 and then they weren't going to put names on. It 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.800 came out David Ortiz's name was on. But it just 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.880 makes it tough for these voters to try to figure 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.639 this out. And you want to ask former players or 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:27.440 former coaches, former managers, clubhouse guard, whatever it is, but 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.120 I just don't think you can go. I don't like 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.880 I don't like Barry Bonds, but he was great, and 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.080 you can make a case that there's never been a 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.880 greater hitter than Barry Bonds. Roger Clements, you could say, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.600 is the greatest right handed pitcher of all time. And 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.960 it's not like you go, man, I don't know about 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.760 their numbers. Now, do I think their numbers were artificially inflated? 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:51.960 I do? Do I think there are guys in the 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.560 Hall of Fame have numbers artificial inflated? Yes, I do, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.680 but I don't have to police it. But as a fan, 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:06.880 I don't want you rewarded. Those guys made one hundred 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:11.440 million dollars, one hundred and fifty million dollars, and you 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.880 know who paid the freight on that you did? They 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.560 jacked up all of the When your numbers are compared 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.080 to somebody in the fifties or sixties, Hey, you know 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.840 what his numbers are compared to Willie Mays. Well, now, 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.640 all of a sudden, you're gonna get paid more, and 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.520 then you, the ticket holder, has to pay for this. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.680 The owners aren't. They want to pass it on to you, 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.120 make you pay, So there's a little consumer fraud. Now 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.560 you might say, hey, I don't care if my movie 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.039 stars are jacked up on steroids. I just want to 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:45.600 be entertained. Or football players their baseball player whoever. I'm 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.080 just saying, this is my show, my voice. It doesn't 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.880 mean it's right, but I just feel. And I'm not 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:58.640 the gatekeeper here. I don't have a vote. But if 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.800 I saw somebody and you say, is he a Hall 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.599 of Famer, and then you say yes or no? And 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.960 really that's the test. Not Kurt Schilling, you know, said 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.920 this about Hillary Clinton, Like, okay, that's that's Kurt Schilling. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.960 The person I'm looking at, Kurt Schilling the baseball player, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.520 Barry Bonds the baseball player, Roger Clements the baseball player. 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.760 And just like Big Poppy, I mean big Poppy, you know, lovable, 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.720 But that doesn't mean he should be a first Battle 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.760 Hall of Famer. You know, we could really dissect this 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.000 if we wanted to, but it gets to be sanctimonious. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.039 There's hypocrisy. I mean, there's a lot that goes on 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.040 and it takes away from the honor of going in. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.520 That's like I always hated what Pete Rose did to 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.440 the Hall of Fame Weekend because if Pete was in 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.560 the Hall of Fame. Nobody would care anymore about Pete Rose. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.520 But we care because we feel like he's a victim. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.400 He's not. He did it himself. Bonds knew what he 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.760 was doing. Clements knew what he was doing. They rolled 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.680 the dice, they got paid. They're not going to go 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.960 into the whole of fame. Do I think it bothers them? 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.120 I don't think. I think Shilling likes being a victim. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.040 You get more attention here Pete Rose gets. Pete has 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.280 got more attention by being out of the Hall of 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.520 Fame than in the Hall of Fame. I don't think 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.600 Barry Bonds cares. I mean, I don't know if Bonds 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:27.400 is like, you know, this is baseball and they've always 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.520 had it out for me, whatever it is. You know, 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.680 I even heard this. Well, they all cheated, and Bonds 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:38.160 cheated better than anybody else. Okay, if we're going to 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.400 use the Lance Armstrong excuse, then Lance should get all 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.719 of those toward the France Championships back those titles, right, 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:49.160 he should still be doing Live Strong. No, we pick 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.640 and choose with all of this, and it's unfortunate because 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.520 we watch because we love it. We're entertained by it. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.279 We're fascinated by it. They do things we can't do. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.400 And it comes down to this every single year that 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.200 here we are talking about Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds is 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:12.320 not a victim. Clemons is not a victim. You knew 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:20.040 what you were getting into. I mean, Bonds Bonds made 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.400 the mistake of you know, when you have plastic surgery, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.640 you get artificially enhanced even more. You know, just do 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:32.600 a little touch up here, then only get seventy three Clemens. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.360 Same way Fountain Youth in Toronto, and all of a 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.119 sudden he's winning more. Cy Young's went to the Yankee. 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:43.360 They all got paid. There's big money in this. Yeah. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.480 See it's it's strange, right because there's big money in this. 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.880 So the lesson really is do steroids. Just be nice. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.720 As long as you do steroids and you're nice, you 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.480 get in. But if you do steroids in your mean 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.440 you don't get in. And that's basically the way that 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.080 this works. Just be nice. Yeah, Yeah, he's exactly right. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.200 Because I have no opinion on this. David Ortiz does 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.040 have some proof that he used steroids. It's very weird 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:08.480 how it came out with the Mitchell Report and all 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.559 that stuff. It shouldn't come out, but there is. Roger 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.560 Clements has zero he has a disgruntled former employee. He 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.000 called him out. Clements still denies his statement. Yesterday, Clement 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.320 said baseball was my passion. I gave it my all 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.040 the right way for my family and the fans. He 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.200 will never admit it if he did it, and you 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.520 know there is no proof. Well, you could say, hey, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.200 let's just sit down and have a lie detector test here. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:36.800 All in favors say, oh, that's right. Nobody is, But 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.000 I don't. I mean, it's not going to go away. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.280 It's just that there's a whole group of baseball players 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.480 that are going to be lumped in, fairly or unfairly. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.000 And next year at this time, it'll be about what 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:54.400 kind of votes Alex Rodriguez, Gott Carlos Beltron is up 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.800 next year? You know, Is the cheating scandal that he 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.960 was a part of with the Astros is that hurt him? 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.800 Is credibility here being on the ballot. I don't know. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.080 And it doesn't mean Clements and Bonds won't get in. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.520 Now it goes to another committee that they can get in. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.439 I think This is more of a ten year embarrassment, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.640 like we're not letting you in, and here's your penance, 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.040 you know, say a couple of hail Marys and our fathers, 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.960 and then maybe you'll get in, you know, five years 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.520 from now. But they have all these committees, so it's 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.920 not like, hey, they didn't get in, it's they didn't 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.920 get in now, and then there's a chance they will 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.000 get in. Tim Kirchin from the Mothership, who is a 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.080 Baseball Hall of Fame voter, will join us. Coming up 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.520 Johnny Bench, who is of course the greatest catcher of 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.559 all time, and I asked him the question about what 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.720 he vote for Bonds or Clements to get into the 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.920 Hall of Fame. This is from twenty sixteen. The day 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.960 after this is January seventh, twenty sixteen. Johnny Ben John 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:55.880 Bonds and Clements. Yeah both. I mean, I think their 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.200 careers either before they were doing it, and you know, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.200 it's a long time to make a career, but even 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.760 before those things were done, they were Hall of Famers 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.440 before they even association or even in the suspicion of that. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.679 I think we're at that point now where we've we 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.840 understand that, you know, guys are always trying to get ahead. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.960 Everything's kind of performance enhancing as far as but whatever 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.160 we do in the clubhouse now, I I you know, 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.360 I've been totally against it. I think you look at 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.400 it on a broader basis and say, okay, guys, this 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.520 is uh, you know, have we gone far enough with this? 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.000 These guys, you know, in a lot of ways. You know, 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:44.360 SoCon and McGuire saved baseball. I love Johnny and he's 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:49.000 a Hall of Famer. I disagree because now all of 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.480 a sudden, this is what happens. This is this is 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.280 really what bothers me more than anything that you start using. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.080 And then there's the guys in the minor leagues who 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:00.959 want to get to the major your leagues, and then 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.839 somebody's doing it or you know, this guy's doing it. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.400 Now you feel the pressure to do it. And then 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.199 you go back to high school where that guy's doing it, 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.160 or these guys are doing it, or that team is 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.720 doing it. Now you have to make that decision whether 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.160 you're going to do it or not. And that concerns 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.559 me not only in baseball, but all these sports. What 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.640 you do, when you do it, how you do it, 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.280 and it's not just Bonds and Clemens. I mean they 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.040 have the money to be able to spend to get 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.760 the right people to help them with this with their bodies. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.440 But I mean it's a systemic issue here. It's a 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.560 bigger problem. And it's unfortunate that that's what baseball has 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.480 been reduced to in a lot of ways, because it 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.920 didn't used to be where you watch Joe Morgan hit 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.000 a home run and go, that guy's five eight one 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.960 seventy five and he's got twenty seven home runs. No 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.680 one ever said Joe Morgan was using steroids or Johnny 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.679 Bench go down the lift, Mike Schmidt, George Brett, you 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.240 never ever thought that. Now I can't help. But when 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.040 I see some guy come to the plate and he 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.800 hits a ball four hundred and eighty five feet and 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:12.840 I go, how's that possible? How's that possible? Launch angle, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.160 m I got your launch right here, Yes, Todd, And 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:17.959 the precedent they would set going forward, I don't know 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.360 if that's part of the fear, for lack of a 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.360 better word, for the baseball writers. If you do let 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.360 them in, eventually you're saying, you know, and they made 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:24.880 all their money and all their fame and got all 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.880 their cy youngs and home run titles, and now eventually 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.560 you'll be let in. So what do you do in 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.400 the future if there's other performance enhancing issues. Eventually you 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.160 got to let them in because you've already set this 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.120 precedent with bonds and the clements. And you know, Bud 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.200 Seeley got in as the commissioner, but he was the 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:44.200 commissioner during this era. Like he benefited and like there's 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.599 just so many things attached to it, and it's not 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.280 going to go away, and guys are going to find 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.959 different ways to cheat. There's so much money to be made, 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.600 and baseball turned a blind eye. Hey look at this, 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:02.560 you got, so said McGuire. Baseball's back. We're selling out. 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:07.720 You know, it's unfortunate. In every year I get up 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.160 on my soapbox. But I still would love to have 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.240 baseball tell the story of baseball and include bonds in 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:19.040 clements and you know, put it on display, warts and all. 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.200 But if they're going to do that, then you have 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.560 to do that for Pete Rose if you want him 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.880 in there. Which Pete to me, you know, the winning 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.839 is player of all time, But he gambled on the game, 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.760 and I think baseball or the Hall of Fame, you know, 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.040 and they have no problem sending that the like the 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.360 back that Bonds used to hit a seventy third home run, 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:47.840 or you know, here's McGuire's uniform from what you know, like, hey, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:49.680 we don't want you in, but we want to cash 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.760 in on what you did. It's it's just convoluted and 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.400 it's unfortunate. But I don't. I just can't get to 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.760 that point where I go, Bonds and Clemens, sure, come 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.080 on and a Rod come on in unless you just 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.600 tell the story of baseball through that prism. And if 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.520 you do, I'm okay with that. Sosa you want to 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:15.280 put him in. But you know, Bonds and Clemens, Sosa, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:20.600 a Rod, they're not victims. They're not. But you get 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.840 that feeling reading all these columns now, like, oh my god, 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.480 how did Bonds not get in? Where were these people 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.320 the last ten years? All of a sudden, it was like, 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.160 Bonds didn't gonna get in the Hall of Fame? Who cares? 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.080 You got your memories? You know what the hell he did? 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.680 He may not care. Do I think Clemens cares? Yes? 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:45.600 Do I think Shilling cares? No? I think Shilling probably says, yeah, 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.320 that's the establishment, you know, holding me back there. Kurt 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:53.880 Schilling's Hall of Fame, plain simple, yeah. Point. If you 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.720 look at Shilling's career in Ortiza's career, they're very similar. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.560 Twenty seasons, about seven All Star games. They never want 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.880 no MVPs for a big poppy, but he was really close, 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.680 like second and third. No Cy Young's for Shilling, but 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.320 he finished second like three times postseason. They're all timers. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:14.240 They're posting stats are unbelievable. Shilling as a pitcher and 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.080 Ortiz as a hitter. Ortiz hit six eighty eight in 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.800 a World Series one time, which is all times silly. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.720 And look at one guy is not close and one 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.840 guy was first ballot. And they had a number of 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.160 positive tests back in two thousand and three. That was 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.520 the Mitchell Report. Well, they let the players know, I 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.440 think that they were going to be tested. Now they 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.720 thought it was anonymous, but then they labeled it. But 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.880 imagine the number of players who would have tested positive 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.600 if they didn't know they were going to be. These 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:52.040 guys tested positive spring training. Oh but congratulations to big pot. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.480 He was there last night with his family. Yeah, you 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:03.120 had Pedro, Pedro, Pedro Martinez was there. I thought it 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.600 was a cardboard cutout of Pedro, like Pedro's there. Yeah, Polly, 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.120 I've got the all time home run list and the 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.160 amountain put guys who aren't going to the Hall of Fame. 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.400 They're in the top ten, are top twenty bonds A 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:19.000 rod Ken, Grippy Junior in Tomy in Sosa not even close, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.680 Marco were not close, Raffia Palmaro not close. Manning Ramirez 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:28.760 is fifteenth all time, not going in. Here's an interesting case. 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.760 Albert Poolholes is fifth all time and there has been 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.800 no accusations of him, no failed test that I know 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.120 of that I've heard any. He seems to be on 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.080 the field. First ballot. Oh yeah, any problem with Albert 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:45.120 Pooholes unless something comes out, Yeah, absolutely. First ballot is 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:49.120 the biggest beneficiary of all this mess. Hank Aaron. There's 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.080 a lot of people in their heads and say on 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.240 social media he's the home run king. Yeah, but poor Hank, 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.240 you know, may rest in peace. You know he was 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.240 never ever celebrated the way he should have been, because 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.440 you know, he had people who wanted to kill him 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.800 when he was breaking Babe Ruth record, and then you 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.119 have the bonds situation. Now he's friends with Willie Mays, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.560 a contemporary, and he's got to talk about bonds without 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.240 really indicting bonds. And you know, he was such a gentleman, 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.680 just a wonderful man, and he went through so much 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.400 and I don't think he was ever celebrated the way 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.320 he should have been. We'll take a break. We'll get 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:32.280 phone calls coming up. And two years ago today, we 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.320 were in Miami for the Super Bowl and we got 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.200 the news Kobe Bryant had passed away. I'd bring back 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.280 a portion of an interview that I can tuck, the 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:45.359 last interview that I did with Kobe, and you know, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.360 I played it last year on the anniversary because it's 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.399 you can just hear in his voice that you know 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.520 one he was. He found his new challenge and that 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.080 was coaching his daughter. And it's tough to hear, but 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.840 it's important to hear, just with his memory. We'll have 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.280 that for you coming up back after this and the 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:08.960 Dan Patrick's show, The Draft Kings. 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It was two years ago 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.840 today when we found out what happened with Kobe and 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.119 his daughter and the other super crashed in that helicopter. 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.600 Have that for you coming up? More phone calls as well. 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.159 Tim Kirchin, he has forgotten more baseball than I know. 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:09.120 ESPN Major League Baseball Reporter, Senior Writer and he has 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.760 been named to the Writer's Wing of the Whole of 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:16.199 Fame and as of twenty twenty two, Career Excellence Award 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.879 winner inducted into Cooper's Town this summer. Who would have 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.520 thought that Tim would get in before Barry Bonds and 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:28.000 Roger Clemens. Well, I certainly didn't think that was going 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:31.159 to happen. I didn't think it would ever happen for me. 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.760 But I think this is going to be the largest 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:39.840 disparity in size between player that's elected and the writer 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.760 that's elected. I weighed in at one forty this morning, 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.320 Dan so given up at least one forty to Big Bobby. 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:52.000 And there's no steroid trace with you? Is there? Tim Well? 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.840 Five four and a half one forty? And I can 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:00.600 bench about sixty that I don't think this possibility of roids. Now, 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.440 if somebody didn't know the results of yesterday, how would 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:11.480 you explain what happened? Well, I would explain what happened yesterday. Well, 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.159 I hope I say this is the right way. This 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.199 is the most difficult process, the most difficult job that 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.760 I've ever had in forty two years of covering baseball 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.560 is trying to figure out what to do with a ballot, 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.560 say like this, what do we do with bonds and clements? 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.080 And are they in a different category than David Ortiz 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.480 And is he in a different category than Manny Ramirez 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.560 and Alex Rodriguez. Those are the things that you have 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.960 to go through. So I don't want any sympathy, neither 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.760 of the writers. We're just saying, this is a really 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:48.480 difficult process. So somebody got in yesterday, David Ortiz, who 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:51.439 I voted for and I believe should be in the 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:54.760 Hall of Fame on the first ballot. But the rest 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.520 of it is confusing, and there are no more right 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:01.040 answers anymore. Dan, I fill out my ballot, and I 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.720 have for thirty one years. When I look at my 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.320 ballot these every time the last ten years, I look 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.040 at it and say, well, I didn't do this right 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.520 because there are no more right answers. It bothers me 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:14.960 when people would say to me or anyone else, you 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.280 did it wrong. I'm not sure you did it wrong. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.960 I'm just not sure you did it right. That's because 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.840 there's so many unanswered questions to all of this, and 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:29.920 we need a little bit more clarity moving forward. There's 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.760 so many people who say the following, well, Bonds was 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.840 a Hall of Famer before, Clemens a Hall of Famer before, 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.920 But I disagree. I think if you're a Hall of Famer, 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:41.600 you're a hall of famer, and a Hall of Famer 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.960 wouldn't use steroids performance enhancing drugs Bonds was the best 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:48.760 player in the game. Clemens had a run with Boston, 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.879 but then he went to Toronto, like just trying to 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:55.200