1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and Buck with you. 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Buck. 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: So fired up for this one today because we get 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: to go get our buddy, one of the best to 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: play the position at the running back position over the 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: last I would say two decades, some monster seasons and 9 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: also one of the funnest guys to hang out with. 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: I mean, he's just the absolute best. 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: The absolute best. 12 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: So this is Marius Jones Drew's appearance on the podcast. 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: Is the MJD Bowl this weekend in London and Wembley Stadium. 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: Jaguar's taking on the Rams. He's going to be on 15 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: the enemy side. He's going to be on the Rams 16 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: side and being the Jacks. So it should be fun 17 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 3: to have a conversation about him on all things running 18 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: backs and touch on. 19 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: A little bit about the Bowl game. Yeah, we're able 20 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 2: to wrestle him down between a really busy schedule yesterday, 21 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: so we wanted to give that one for you today 22 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: for our pod. This is our conversation with Maurice Jones Drew. 23 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: All right, Buck, let's let's bring in our buddy. Let's 24 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: go to London and uh and bring in Maurice Jones 25 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: Streu so we can talk a little running backs, his 26 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: favorite topic. First of all, how are you doing over there, Budy? 27 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: What time is it? 28 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 4: It is six twenty five. Uh, feel a little lonely. 29 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 4: I thought Bucky would be here already. You don't know 30 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. My dog, But my dog don't come 31 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 4: in until later. So I'm just trying to figure things out. 32 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna let you get it warmed up from 33 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 3: you before I get over there. And I'm trying to 34 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: figure out because you go over so much. I mean, 35 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: I feel like you are a native. What's your middle 36 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: of choice over there? What should go to in London? 37 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: It just what are you looking for? 38 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: Non? 39 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: Be honest with you, No, No, I'm trying to like 40 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: what like you got, the whole you got, the whole 41 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: world is your oyster? 42 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: You do whatever? We can go for one deal like 43 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: saxy Fish. I'll go to Sexific. 44 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 4: Because the ambiance right, little sushi there, a little ambiance. 45 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 4: Actually went there with Roger Goodell a couple of years ago. 46 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: Uh. 47 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 4: The tab was pretty high. I was nervous. I thought 48 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 4: I was gonna have to pay for it, but Roger pulled. 49 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Out the car. Save your boy. You know what I'm saying, to. 50 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 4: Be quite honest with you, I love coming over here because, 51 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 4: you know, one you're growing the game and it's awesome. 52 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 4: But the other part is you're in the center of 53 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 4: the world. So me and my cousin, we just flew 54 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: to Lisbon for like two days, stretch our legs a 55 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 4: little bit. You know, I've flown other places and then 56 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 4: you know, kind of get a vibe of what Europe's like, 57 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 4: you know, just trying to fill it out. I actually, 58 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 4: uh just got back, so that's why I was a 59 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: little late. 60 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, it's a good time. 61 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 4: But like I said, sexy Fish, you can go to 62 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 4: Slim Chicken right down the street from the hotel, right 63 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 4: the little little burrito spot. I don't know the name 64 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: of the brito spot, but it just depends on whatever 65 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 4: you're looking for. You want some ambiance, do you want 66 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 4: just a little quick meal, whatever you like, I got 67 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 4: it for you. 68 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: Just hit up your boys. 69 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I got MJD's he's dialed. He's already dialed in 70 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: over there. Why we got you, dude. I wanted to 71 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: hit you up on some running back stuff because we 72 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: pulled some numbers, and it is interesting, like just through 73 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: week six last year to this year, we've got across 74 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 2: the league, you know, twenty two thousand, three hundred ninety 75 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: three rushing yards, which is over one thousand more than 76 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: we had last year. We've got six hundred and four 77 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: runs of ten plus yards compared to five forty three 78 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: last year. We've got thirty five hundred yard games compared 79 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: to twenty eight last year. So and I can go 80 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: on and on and on and on and on, but man, 81 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: you've been you've been dying for this day to come. MJD. 82 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: I feel like we have. We have gotten back to 83 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: nineties football right now. The way teams are running a rock. 84 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 4: Well, I feel like, you know, you go through these 85 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: waves of the NFL, right you're talking about, you know, 86 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: throwing the football and Patrick Mahomes doing it for fifty 87 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 4: touchdowns with his first year, and everyone's trying to throw 88 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 4: the football to win, but when actually, in all actuality, 89 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 4: you have a quarterback that'll struggle and your running game 90 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 4: is going to save you. And so I just go 91 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: to Carolina right away, right when I when you talk 92 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: of running backs. 93 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: I think a recal daddle backup running back rustles. 94 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: For over two hundred, well two two hundred scrimmage jars 95 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: back to back games, right, they are they are running 96 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: the football purposely, right, and they're they're they're getting down here. 97 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: They're doing some great things. And I go to the Raiders, 98 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: for example, who aren't running the football like that. 99 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: They're trying to get to doing that. 100 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 4: But g you know, Smith has ten picks on the year, 101 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 4: and so you could look at teams and just see 102 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 4: the I guess the correlation of running the football and 103 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 4: wins for most of these teams. Right, the Panthers, we 104 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 4: were considered to start the season not one of the 105 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 4: better teams. 106 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: They beat the Cowboys. 107 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 4: They've beaten some really good teams, right, they beat the Falcons. 108 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 4: And then you go to the Raiders, who weren't running 109 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 4: football early on, who are starting run the football. They're 110 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 4: getting better, and so I just think the run game 111 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: is coming back. 112 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: I think the players are coming back. 113 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 4: I even look at Tampa for example, Bucky Urban's having 114 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 4: a heck of a year. He gets hurt that Rashad 115 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 4: White comes in and he's going crazy and so and 116 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 4: I can even you know, I can go to the 117 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 4: two teams. I hope that we're going to talk about 118 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 4: here in the mjd E Bowl that's coming up. But 119 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 4: like Travis at and what he's doing right for the Jags, 120 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 4: and while he's helping Trevor Lawrence and then obviously Karen 121 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 4: Williams what he does for the Rams, you know, and 122 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 4: so those are the running game is back. I think 123 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 4: people are being more I guess purposeful with running the football. 124 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 4: It's not just a necessary evil. It's like we need 125 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: to get we need to control the line of scrimmage. 126 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 4: We need to get our guys going forward. We'll be 127 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: able to take shots off a play action pass. And 128 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 4: it's working out a lot for a lot of teams. 129 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: You know. 130 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: It's funny. 131 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: I had a chance to watch the game Monday night, 132 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: and the Atlanta Falcons were getting busy with their running game. 133 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: It might have been the best game that I've seen 134 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: from John Robinson. I know he keeps changing the pronunciation. 135 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 3: I want to give him respect, talk about that, like 136 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: he is a unique playmaker. How running backs not only 137 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: need to be able too down here runners, but they 138 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: need to catch the ball out of the backfield. What 139 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: is going on with the I would say not the renaissance, 140 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: but the. 141 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: Re emergence of the RB one in the league. 142 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so crazy because that's how I trained my son, Right, 143 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 4: I trained my son to be Christian McCaffrey. Right, people 144 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 4: like that, that sounds weird. You played in the NFL, 145 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 4: I go, I caught the ball, you know I did. 146 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 4: I caught check downs and did running back routes every 147 00:05:58,960 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 4: now and then. 148 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: They me out at wide receiver. 149 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: But when you could put Christian McCaffrey in the slot, 150 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: you could put him out wide. He can run a comeback, 151 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 4: He can do certain things that puts pressure on the defense. 152 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 4: And when you talk about John Robinson, right, my old 153 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 4: college roommate is his running back coach, Michael Petrie, who's 154 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: my fullback at UCLA. And literally when they drafted him, 155 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 4: it was between him and Gibbs. They went with him. 156 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 4: He was super excited because of that ability. Right, that 157 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 4: he can play wide receiver, he can play running back. 158 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 4: He was talking about some of the thing that being 159 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 4: him used to do with me at UCLA. 160 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: Besides cuss me out. Right, he susould like put in 161 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: the position to be better and do some other things. 162 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: But he also talked about his short area of quickness 163 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 4: and when you. 164 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: Could get a guy in space like that. 165 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 4: And I know they ran the heck out of the 166 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: football against Buffalo, but when he was in space, it's 167 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 4: like his starting stop is unmatched. Like he slams on 168 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 4: the break, he gets going right away and guys are 169 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 4: sliding and falling out the way. He's able to break tackles. 170 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 4: He could run inside, he can run outside, he could 171 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 4: return kicks and punts. He could do it all. And 172 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 4: so I think, you know again, I remember when I 173 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 4: had my son, and my son talked about wanting to 174 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 4: play running back. Bro, if this is what you want 175 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: to do, we have to go with the new phase 176 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: of running back. It's not gonna be Dereck Henry's all 177 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 4: the time, or Priest Holmes, the guys that I watch, right, 178 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 4: it's gonna be You're gonna have to be a dual 179 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: threat guy. A guy that can return kicks and punts, 180 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: can play wide receiver, can run inside and outside, can 181 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: pick up pass protection. Right, we don't talk about that 182 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 4: with bijonn Robinson. 183 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: How he picks up blitzes. 184 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 4: Right, He's one of the best at that as well, 185 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 4: and so not coming off the field is one of 186 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: the things that you're looking for. And again I just 187 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: did my top fifteen backs. I had him at number 188 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 4: one is because he could do everything, and everything is 189 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: to me, is what you want, right. I don't want 190 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: a guy that can just be a first or second 191 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: down guy. 192 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: You lose value. To me. 193 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 4: I need a guy that could be a five down 194 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 4: back if we have to, I means we got to 195 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 4: put you out there on defense. 196 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: You could play nickel corner or whatever. 197 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 4: Guess what, go out there and get you some right, 198 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 4: we need to make sure that we can use him 199 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 4: in that manner and talk with Michael Petri is the 200 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: way he says, the way he prepares, and the way 201 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: he goes about his every his routine every week is 202 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: not surprising. What's happened on Monday night and other games 203 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 4: when he's out there. Why, Quite frankly, he's put itself 204 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 4: to be one of the upper echelon in the NFL 205 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 4: at the position. 206 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: I was going through MJD looking at the top five 207 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: guys so far just rushing yards per game, and I 208 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: was curious to see if there's similarity to how they're 209 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: using I actually found a lot of differences, and I 210 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: want to get your take on it, because just let's 211 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: just go with this simple aspect. We're talking about jon Robinson. 212 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: They're living in the pistol man like he's he's they 213 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: have panics in the pistol where he's very comfortable. I 214 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: think that's probably even more about him than their run game. 215 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: But they're popping runs, you know, split zones and all 216 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: the stuff they're doing out of the gun there. Then 217 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: you look at Jonathan Taylor, it's a mixture, a little 218 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: more gun than under. But bro, how about this. This 219 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: one shocked me. I went through James Cook every single 220 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: explosive run. I think he had like eleven or twelve 221 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: of them under center, every single one. 222 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: So I'm just. 223 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: Curious, as someone who's played the position at such a 224 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: high level, what are the advantages and wired teams doing 225 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: it in these different ways, just even from those three 226 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: standpoints under center, pistol, and then the gun. 227 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll tell you this. 228 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 4: I was never a big fan of pistol because I 229 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 4: can't see over the quarterback right Like, I'm like, you're. 230 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: In my way. I don't know where the ball is going, 231 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: what's going on. 232 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: I hated the pistol, But what it does is it 233 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: gives that line the ability to make a mistake and 234 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 4: you still have the ability to see the whole field, right, Like, 235 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 4: So what do I mean by that? As a running back? 236 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: If I'm in the home position, I can see the 237 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 4: whole field. If I'm in gun, I only can see 238 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: half the field because I have to go across the 239 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: center to go. And so pistol kind of gives you 240 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 4: the best of both worlds if you're comfortable in doing 241 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 4: those type of things. 242 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: So that's pistol to me. You can run all your 243 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: running game out of it. You can check, you can 244 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: run left or right, you can do whatever you want. 245 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: Going to James Cook, James Cook is more a gap 246 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 4: or B gap to B gap. 247 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: He's not even running outside zone. 248 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: They're running downhill at people and he's making guys miss 249 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: and having an explosive And to me, he's another guy 250 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 4: that I saw at the University of Georgia that was 251 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: used as a wide receiver. They don't even throw them 252 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: the ball as much in Buffalo like they should. Right, 253 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 4: They're just here, We're just gonna go downhill. We're gonna 254 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 4: use these big offensive linemen. We're gonna use our double teams. 255 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 4: We're gonna push guys off the ball, and you're gonna 256 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: find a crease and you're gonna hit and you have 257 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: the ability to take it to the distance. Jonathan Taylor, 258 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: out of all of them, is what surprised me more 259 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 4: than anything, right, coming out of Wisconsin. I've always knocked 260 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: Wisconsin backs because their o linemen are so good. 261 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: Right, and it's like, bro, you're running listen. 262 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 4: I went to UCLA and shout out to the Bruins. 263 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 4: Were doinging better, We're doing better. Our holes were nowhere. Like, 264 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 4: you don't even have that vision to run through a 265 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 4: Wisconsin oll literally, Like I mean, I just did a 266 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: flag thing with some YouTubers, some streamers. B they can 267 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: go give you a thousand, right, So that's what I'm 268 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 4: just telling you if you go to Wisconsin there, I'm. 269 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: Talking about the years pass the year. 270 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: Yes, but but and that was my knock on Jonathan Taylor. 271 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: But after watching him over the last three or four 272 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 4: years when he's been healthy, he's been the best, one 273 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 4: of the best, if not the best, running back in 274 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: the NFL. And he's doing it off of half field reads, right, Like, 275 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 4: if I'm starting on the right side of the quarterback 276 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 4: and I have to go left, it's gonna be so 277 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 4: hard for me to try to cut that thing all 278 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: the way back and use half of the other the 279 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: right side of the field. Right, I have to stay 280 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 4: on my track. I have to press the hole. I 281 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 4: have to find a hole on that side. And yet 282 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 4: he's doing it. Not only is he doing that, he's 283 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 4: breaking tackles, he's getting in the open field, he's running 284 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 4: away from people, and their offensive line. 285 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: They they've kind of found what they want to be. 286 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 4: Really, to be honest, this is what Philly should be doing, right, 287 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 4: Like what the culture doing is exactly what Philly should 288 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: be doing. RPOs, downhill, running game, out of gun, little 289 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 4: quarterback read option, little play action pass. But it's all 290 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 4: about that offensive line creating double teams, sometimes their gap 291 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: scheme where they're blocking down and pulling around. Other times 292 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 4: it's just inside zone, out of out of gun. And 293 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor is doing an awesome job of doing those things, 294 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 4: and so I have to you know, I think I 295 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: had him at six when I was doing the running backs, 296 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: and it was because I had to question his vision. 297 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 4: But I apologize he's been awesome. 298 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: And I love that. 299 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 4: There's a million ways to skin a cat, right, Just 300 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 4: just be uh when you're trying to run the football. 301 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter about how you're getting to it. Just 302 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 4: be consistent in what you do and let your running 303 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 4: backs get a feel for what you want and let 304 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 4: that offensive line do it. And it'll be tough to 305 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 4: deal with. I mean I can go cause I call 306 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 4: the Rams games on radio. The Rams went from being 307 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 4: an outside zone team to a straight duo team like dive. 308 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: This is running back dive all the time, right, But 309 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: that fits that fits your quarterback better. And so when 310 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 4: we talk about the running game, and I think it's 311 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 4: important that we talk about this, it has to marry 312 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 4: with what the quarterback does well. So you talked about 313 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 4: Pinnixon and Pistol. He's not under he was in at Washington. 314 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 4: They were shotgun majority of the time. I don't I 315 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 4: don't think i've ever seen kaylin to Board be under 316 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 4: center one time. He can throw the ball to tight 317 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 4: end or to lineman at wide receiver, he can do 318 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 4: a bunch of other stuff, but under center is like 319 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 4: a no no. 320 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: So I have to make sure that what. 321 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 4: We're doing offensively is marrying is matching what my quarterbacks 322 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: comfortable with and what my running back can do. 323 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: Same with the Colts Daniel Jones. I want his eyes 324 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: always looking at the field. 325 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: I don't want him to turn his back to the defense, right, 326 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 4: so our play action pass, he's always having his eyes forward. 327 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: And then when you go to. 328 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 4: The Buffalo Bills, I think Josh Allen has matured so 329 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 4: much from when he first got there to be able 330 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 4: to trust to have his eyes you know that heavy 331 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 4: play action that'll help. And so I just think again, 332 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: those teams that we're talking about, they've done a really 333 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 4: good job of marrying both what the quarterback is good 334 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 4: at but also what works with the running back and 335 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 4: you're seeing explosive plays. 336 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: So we got to talk about this MJD Bowl and 337 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 3: before we talk about the two teams, because I feel 338 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: like there's a little sense of betrayal. And it's the 339 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: first time that you and I are actually like have 340 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: a series as you decided to leave the family to 341 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 3: go to the Ramilly and do. 342 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: Whatever's that you're doing. 343 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: But because there's so much familiarity between these franchises. Now 344 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: you talk about James Gladstone Liam Cohn and those things. 345 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: First for the Jags, people talk about the culture that 346 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: the Rams have established and how the Jaguars want to 347 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: follow that, because they talk about the Rams being the 348 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: north Star in terms of who they want to be 349 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: and how they want to get there. So just give 350 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: me a little breakdown about that, because I've heard a 351 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: lot about it and I don't know because I've been 352 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: the Rams building. 353 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, So Bucky, listen first and foremost, let 354 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 4: me say we're not adversaries. 355 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: Everyone wins in this situation, right, So m j E 356 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: Bow no. 357 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 4: Loser, I don't if it was win listen, no, no, no, no, no, 358 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: everybody wins. 359 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: And to me, if this was the Super Bowl, we 360 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: all get rings. It doesn't matter. I will, I will. 361 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: I will tell you this. Uh. 362 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 4: Being in the Rams building and understanding their culture about 363 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: accountability and pre you like a pro and holding you 364 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 4: accountable when you make mistakes, no matter who it is, 365 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 4: that's what's important. Right. 366 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: I think it's funny you. 367 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 4: Talk about James Gladstone and Coach Cohen and Liam and 368 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 4: all that. There's a guy that I used to work 369 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: with every day named Jacob Tammy who used to do 370 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 4: the stats for us. 371 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: He was like part of his deal. 372 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 4: He was in the front office of the Rams, but 373 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: he would come and do stats for us, right and 374 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 4: to literally get a chance to pick his brain. I 375 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 4: had no idea what he did in the front office. 376 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 4: I just was like, oh, come to find out, like 377 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 4: he was setting the draft board every year. We be 378 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: talking about like college guys. But they they put a 379 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: lot of on They put a lot on people's plates, 380 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: young people too. And they let you go out there 381 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 4: and they allow you to make mistakes and they correct 382 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: those mistakes. They don't get on you for making mistakes, 383 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 4: but they correct you to lead you in the right way. 384 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 4: And I think that's one of the things that Sewn 385 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 4: is kind of put in right because they go they 386 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: work well together. It's not like a Sean show or 387 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: a Lesneed show. This is a collaborative effort of trying 388 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 4: to put the best players out there. And so when 389 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 4: I came to Jacksonville early this year to see all 390 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: these people that I've seen at the RAMS, I'm like, oh, man, 391 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 4: like is it like this is? This is what I've 392 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: always wanted the Jags to be right, to have this 393 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 4: ability to be aggressive in the running game play, action, pass, 394 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: hold your quarterback, accountable, defense, flying around, making plays like 395 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 4: this is what I've always thought the Jags can be 396 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 4: because they've had to be honest, the Jags have had 397 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 4: better talent early in the when very first started than 398 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 4: they now than. 399 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: That he did. 400 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 4: So it's amazing to see that. To me, it's one 401 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: thing that I saw. It was against the Bengals, and 402 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: I want to say, Trevor Lawrence threw the ball high 403 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: on like a spot route or something, and Liam. 404 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: Cohen was like, put it in the chest, put it 405 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: in the chest. 406 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: How many times have we been told, don't talk to 407 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 4: the quarterback like that, right, don't get on the quarterback 408 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: like no. No, he's one of the fifty three, and 409 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: we're creating a culture where we can talk to people 410 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 4: a certain way. Sean mcvacot's on Matthew Safford all the 411 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 4: time if he doesn't do he's supposed to do. I 412 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 4: remember we were in Chicago. He was a couple of 413 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: years ago, or it might have been last year. We 414 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 4: were in Chicago and he like got sacked and he 415 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: checked to a play wasn't supposed to check to. And 416 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 4: I'm in interviewing Sean after and Sean's like, well, Matthew 417 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 4: knows we're not supposed to be in that play, and 418 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: that play is in a position to turn it all over, right, 419 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 4: But but it's not taking it personal. It's this is 420 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 4: a we're all accountable for our actions. And so when 421 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 4: you do that, all of a sudden, I don't have 422 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: to worry about tippy toeing around this guy and not 423 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 4: saying how I feel right, not being comfortable, but who 424 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 4: I am, and it just it just it creates a 425 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 4: culture of when you come here, we're here to work, 426 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 4: We're here to get better. We're gonna have fun, we're 427 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 4: gonna do great things. We're gonna be a we're gonna 428 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 4: have a ton of attention to detail. We're gonna do 429 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 4: all these other little things. I want to say, Uh, well, 430 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 4: I don't know if it was this week or last week. 431 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 4: It might it might have been last week against the Chiefs, 432 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: where like Josh Allen was like, this wasn't our type 433 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 4: of defense, we didn't play our type of ball, or 434 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 4: it was I forget what game it was. But we 435 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 4: never heard that from the Jags. You never heard the 436 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: Jags be critical of themselves in those situations and or 437 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: after losses or after wins or whatever it might have been. 438 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: And so I just think that type of culture is 439 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: what's gonna kind of fester and create. And then again, 440 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 4: they're running the football at such a high clip right now, 441 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 4: even against the CT Seahawks, who has a really good 442 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 4: they have a really good defensive line. I thought they 443 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 4: were trying to be stubborn with the running game. I 444 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 4: thought they should have probably been a little bit more 445 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 4: stubborn with the running game because the game was so close. 446 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: But against the Chiefs, very stubborn. Against the Bengals, they 447 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: were stubborn. 448 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 4: Like all these teams that they've they've had really good games, 449 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 4: but they've been stubborn with their running game. 450 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: And again, like I said, I just I. 451 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 4: Just think the culture, the attitude, all the things that 452 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 4: you know, I saw in Los Angeles coming to Jacksonville, 453 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 4: there's not what are you what is it foreign? 454 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: What are they foreign to now? H yep, yep too. 455 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 4: Yeah to me like that, I'm not surprised by that, 456 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 4: to be honest, I felt like they should be Probably 457 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 4: you have a chance to be six and oh really, 458 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 4: if youf you put a couple of plays together, right. 459 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 4: Cincinnati game, I don't think Lloyd was down, just like 460 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 4: Miles Jack wasn't down. 461 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd wasn't down, uh, And I think that changed 462 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: that dynamic of that game. 463 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 4: And then I watching the Seattle game because again, obviously 464 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 4: Seattle's in in the Rams division. I thought there were 465 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 4: a ton of opportunities there. You have to play where 466 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 4: Travis Hunter is off sides and and again he's looking 467 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 4: at the ref trying to check, and you have a 468 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 4: touchdown that went away there that could change the momentum 469 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 4: of the game. 470 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: And so I think this is gonna be a great game. 471 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: And I want to say this on here. 472 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 4: I picked the Rams to win because I'm flying home 473 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 4: with the Rams, right, Like, let's be honest, I'm not 474 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 4: going to mess. 475 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: Up to date, you know, like you can take me home. 476 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 4: If I could, I would have picked them both right 477 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 4: because I want I want everyone to understand that I 478 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 4: love both organizations, uh dearly both one one gave me 479 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 4: an opportunity, the other one gave me a ring. 480 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: So it is in a consistent check for the last 481 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: several years as well. Something let's not get that twisted 482 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: last one. MGG. I'm let you go I need you 483 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: quickly to make the case why you belong in this 484 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: cutaway conversation. So if I was thinking of, you know, 485 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: someone who had invested interest with both sides, I put 486 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: a list together. Donna Kelsey when the when they're when 487 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: her boys played each other? How many cutaways we get 488 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: in that super a lot? 489 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: How About how about. 490 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: Archie Manning when Eli and Peyton would play each other? 491 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 2: Then we had we had Bobby Bowden's wife when it 492 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: would be Bobby Bowden versus Terry Bowden in those games. 493 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: Remember she's up there in the stands got her son. Yeah, 494 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: and then you've got Jack Jack Harbaugh watching Jim and 495 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: John play against each other. I need you to make 496 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: the case why I don't know, you know, why sell 497 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: the network on why we need MJD cutaways during this game, 498 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 2: on the level of the names I just mentioned. 499 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: Well, first and foremost, let me say this. I probably 500 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 4: shouldn't say it, but I'm gonna say anyways, I should 501 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 4: be calling the game. You tell me anyone you know 502 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 4: that knows more about the Jags and the rent you 503 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 4: tell me. 504 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. 505 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: I just thought personally that this was something that maybe 506 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 4: you could have been like hey lady, you know, hey, 507 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 4: let me let me. 508 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: Get you like Vin Skelley, like Vin Skelley, just. 509 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no. I'd go out there. 510 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: I think it's rich and Kirk Kirk Warner doing it, 511 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: so I would. I would. I would be like, hey, Kirk, 512 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: take this time off, go ahead and go have pub 513 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: with your kids. Go relax, Like, let me. 514 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 4: Go out here and do this, you know, because I 515 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 4: would have went down to Bucky in the middle of it. 516 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 4: If I out have called Bucky on his phone like, Hey, Bucky, 517 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 4: what's going on? 518 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: What is the dack doing? It's not working? What are 519 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: we doing? 520 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: Or I would have went down to DeMarco far like hey, DeMarco, 521 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: like this is the insight. There is just crazy right, 522 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 4: But neither here nor there. I don't know if you 523 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 4: want to cut away. I'm gonna be wearing a ram still. 524 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 4: So I know a lot of jacks fans. I've already 525 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 4: been to hit up by a bunch of my homies, like, bro, 526 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: I can't believe you picked the Rams. 527 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, guys, this is not personal. It's just business. 528 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: I spent eight great years in Jacksonville. 529 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 4: I'm happy that they didn't Cam Newton me and take 530 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 4: all my pictures. 531 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: Off the wall, right like that? That hurt a lot. 532 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: But from the equipment manager to the trainers to the 533 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 4: new GM, I was a Tony BASSELLI to Shad, like, 534 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 4: my relationship with all those people are awesome. 535 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: The doctors are still there that I was there. When 536 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: I was there, that was ten years ago. 537 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 4: What I'm like ten eleven years ago too, So like 538 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: those relationships are still there. I mean I have relationships 539 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 4: with with people that sell right in and shut to 540 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: the Jags, right that I knew from there, and so yeah, 541 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 4: that relationship with. 542 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: Jacksonville was always gonna be that. 543 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 4: Plus, my whole family's big Jag fans, Like my son 544 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 4: is a diehard Jags fan. So when the Jags went 545 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 4: up and beat the Niners. You know, in the Bay 546 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 4: Area we have a youth organization called the Conquered Jaguars 547 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 4: that we're creating more Jags fans there. It was a 548 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 4: beautiful thing. Now to the Rams, let's just be honest. 549 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: I mean, come on, man, I truly believe the first 550 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 4: year we had Jeff Fisher was awesome to learn and 551 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 4: get to know things. Over the last ten now with Sean. 552 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 4: Now I think it's nine or ten maybe, uh with Sean, 553 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 4: it's been amazing. 554 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: It's been a ride. 555 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 4: Two Super Bowls, getting the sit in meetings, get to 556 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 4: talk to personnel people about different things, very similar to 557 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 4: the Jags relationship with the doctors or you know. Uh 558 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: as a matter of fact, one of the doctors on 559 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 4: the RAMS was a doctor I used to go to 560 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 4: get a second opinion. 561 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: Uh so like the not not Elatross. Now I wasn't 562 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: that famous. 563 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 2: This is this A long time I was like, Hey, sorry, Pink, Sorry, Pink, 564 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: you got a hold on MJDS here, come on. 565 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 4: No I wish, I wish no, but like but uh, 566 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just so many relationships that are built there. 567 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 4: And then I was like, I said, we want to ring, 568 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 4: like as much as people want to hate. You know, 569 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 4: if I'd have known it has been this easy to 570 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 4: win a ring. DJ Bucky out to quit a long 571 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 4: time ago. 572 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: You got on broadcasting a long time ago. 573 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 4: Uh right, I'm up to I gotta And this is 574 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 4: the best part about it, Like, like I feel like 575 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 4: the RAMS have a really good roster. 576 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: They're poison set to go. 577 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: And I've been very humble after getting my first one. 578 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: Don't let me two times Super Bowl champ. 579 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 4: Oh man, Right, If I'm two times Super Bowl, then 580 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 4: it's is it's gonna cost you guys to get me 581 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 4: to come on here and. 582 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: Talk to you. You know what I'm saying. And that's why 583 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: they needed to do cutaways. They gotta do two because 584 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: and by the ways, who else has a Bowl? There's 585 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: also there's a third layer to the bowl. 586 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 4: When the Jags play the Raiders, that's the m j 587 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 4: E Bowl as well, right when the Rams play. 588 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: The Raiders, that's the m j E Bowl. 589 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 4: So it's it's it's it's like Haley's comment, it only 590 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 4: comes around every so often, so when you get the 591 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 4: m j E Bowl, you. 592 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: Got to make sure you do that. 593 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 4: It's not like I said, like Ma m kelsey, they 594 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 4: they play each other a couple of times, you know, 595 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 4: every four years happens. 596 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: Can I play Devil's advocate for just one second. The 597 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: guy that you tried to fire for this game, you know, 598 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: did win a Super Bowl as a quarterback for that team, 599 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: by the way. 600 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: He did, but he didn't play for the other one though. 601 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: He's not and to be honest, he's not in the 602 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: building like I am. Like, I'm in the building. 603 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: It's the MVP in the quarterback of the team. 604 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: Fire in, But I'm in the building. I'm not. I 605 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: didn't say fire. I might have said take a break 606 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: a week for a week. Yeah, I did not even 607 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: on fire. Just hey, just go here, go to lisbon. 608 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: I just want there's really nice. Right. 609 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 4: They got a bridge, just like the San Fransco Bay Bridge. 610 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 4: You can do whatever you like. Just let your boy 611 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 4: take care of this one. Like I said, it's just 612 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 4: too much inside info. But I'm going to use that 613 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 4: inside info on RAMS, on the RAMS Radio network, the broadcast, 614 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 4: and uh, you're right, Bucky, this is me versus you, 615 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: because we're gonna have a better broadcast than you. 616 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: Guys. Uh, no disrespect, no disrespect. 617 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 4: But I watched it with Jeff Logerman in every in 618 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: every way, shape or form, it is not even close. 619 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: And you can do that one. I see what that means. 620 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: It's me and Demarcovar, Like that's that's when that's do. 621 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: I don't know that's close. I don't know close. We 622 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: are walking. 623 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna speak up for the rest. I'm gonna speak 624 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: up for the rest of America. And apparently Europe and 625 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: say we've exhausted the Jaguars Rams conversation. But I hope 626 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: you guys have a wonderful day. I hope you guys 627 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: go to Squeaky Fish or the Squirrel restaurant whatever whatever 628 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: MJD he was talking about. Yeah, I hope you guys 629 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 2: have a wonderful meal. 630 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: There. 631 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: MJD. You're the best brother. We appreciate you, man. 632 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you guys. Mind hit you guys up. 633 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: There you go, Buck, this is our buddy, MJD. Appreciate 634 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: him stopping by. He's a beauty man, one of one. 635 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm just glad we didn't get him start on the 636 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 2: Chiefs too, because he also will claim them as one 637 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: of his teams. He's got like ten teams he claims. 638 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: I mean, he does have a lot of them. He 639 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: loves them all. He has people in all the buildings. 640 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: I'm surprised he hasn't claimed Chicago because Ariy b Enemy 641 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: and his guy. 642 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: And all this other stuff, so it would just continue 643 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 2: to grow on and. 644 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: On and on. 645 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 2: But he is absolutely one of the best at best 646 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: in the bits, in no doubt, and as usually late 647 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: Bruins are playing a little bit better here a couple 648 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: of big wins. So appreciate MJD stopping by, especially concidering 649 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 2: where he was over there in London. Hope you guys 650 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: enjoyed that conversation. We'll see you next time right here 651 00:26:54,240 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: on movie sticks.