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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King.
Speaker 2: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and
Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality
Speaker 2: television with over ten years a production experience. Twice a
Speaker 2: week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with
Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality
Speaker 2: shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking
Speaker 2: and tweeting about. Hey, rain drops on today's episode of
Speaker 2: Reality with the King, this is a very special moment.
Speaker 2: As you all know, my favorite show in Bravo is
Speaker 2: Martion Madison.
Speaker 1: Now, yes, we do messy Mondays with Doctor Hemny.
Speaker 2: I go to quad hows that you know, we have.
Speaker 1: A good olkey key.
Speaker 2: But today I'm here with the two men, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: who are the force multipliers of the show. I am
Speaker 2: talking about doctor Eugene.
Speaker 1: And see some appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Give me something, You give me something.
Speaker 4: I know I ain't from Detroit, but I lived there
Speaker 4: about three years.
Speaker 1: You did you know?
Speaker 3: You didn't know that that's where they met.
Speaker 1: You just have a court Toya.
Speaker 5: That I didn't go there to court Toya, but I was.
Speaker 5: That's where we met.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 5: I was a chief resident of Detroit receiving.
Speaker 1: How did you meet Toya in the first place? So
Speaker 1: funny story.
Speaker 5: Uh So, basically, when I was on my ICU rotation,
Speaker 5: I met a nurse. It was kind of flirty. I
Speaker 5: knew she had a boyfriend. But I thought she was cute,
Speaker 5: but I was not really talking to were talking to her,
Speaker 5: but she invited me to go out to this event.
Speaker 5: At the event, they were doing speed dating on the
Speaker 5: other side of the restaurant. So we're at the bar,
Speaker 5: we're sitting there. It's the nurse.
Speaker 1: I showed up with Toya. The nurse had a boyfriend. Yes,
Speaker 1: we were cool.
Speaker 3: You I was want to talk about.
Speaker 1: But we did. We did. We did a fold speed
Speaker 1: dating at our table.
Speaker 5: When I speed dated with the other girl that was there,
Speaker 5: I was actually a jerk.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I was like, like, how many baby daddies you got?
Speaker 1: I didn't know the girl had several baby daddies. I
Speaker 1: didn't know. It was a joke.
Speaker 5: But when I speed dated with Toya, I actually liked her.
Speaker 5: So later on when we left, I told the nurse
Speaker 5: that I was there with.
Speaker 1: I was like, I like your girl. I like Toya.
Speaker 5: I was like, you gotta hook that up Toy Toya,
Speaker 5: and this nurse told Toya he ain't got enough money
Speaker 5: for you what. So that's how Toya called me, basically
Speaker 5: thinking to be like, hey, I don't know what she
Speaker 5: told you, but I ain't that tight blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: I was like, hey, I want to take you out.
Speaker 5: She said, I got a paper I got to write.
Speaker 5: She was like, I got to rewrite it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: She was in her master's program. She was like, they
Speaker 5: said I played arry something. I was like, I'll rewrite
Speaker 5: it for you.
Speaker 4: Yes, I rewrote her paper. Level the next level wrote
Speaker 4: her paper. You rewrote with tor thesis.
Speaker 1: Paper with the no, not her thesis.
Speaker 4: It was just a paper paper, did the notations the
Speaker 4: proper way.
Speaker 2: And I go, day, wait a minute, hold and then
Speaker 2: in the rest of history this is before y'all.
Speaker 1: Day one doctor.
Speaker 2: We been spent twenty dollars on the two for twenty
Speaker 2: apple by.
Speaker 1: I liked her. You rewrote Toya's paper. It was something
Speaker 1: about it, something about it.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I was hooked over. It was over.
Speaker 5: So it's like like you get that first bumps, it's over.
Speaker 1: Toy is my drug. I have no idea that was.
Speaker 4: So I've heard media crackhead that to my drug.
Speaker 3: Oh whoy.
Speaker 1: So you've always been sprang from day one. It has
Speaker 1: never changed. No, we we have, don't get wrong, a handful,
Speaker 1: but but you love that handful. I love the handful. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I heard this story. That's that's a really good one.
Speaker 2: I need to hear how you and Simone met and
Speaker 2: how did you snag doctor Simone.
Speaker 3: So we're a spell House connection.
Speaker 2: So for those outside of Georgia, that is Spellman, the
Speaker 2: all girl black accredited college, and then more House, the
Speaker 2: all black male accredited college.
Speaker 6: But we ended up being in the same apartment complex,
Speaker 6: and still Georgia, a lot of the more House and
Speaker 6: Spelman students lived there. So Simone and her girlfriend were
Speaker 6: coming in from their car. I had a bunch of
Speaker 6: guys over my place. We were playing video games. They
Speaker 6: walk up and my boys.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, here come these girls. He come to girls.
Speaker 3: My roommate and one other guy ran out and was
Speaker 3: like hey, hey, hey, come inside. And they came in.
Speaker 6: I'm playing video games and my boy, my roommate was
Speaker 6: like he had as soon as he saw someone.
Speaker 3: He was like, that's my girl right there.
Speaker 6: I'm going with some mom and so young girl. He
Speaker 6: about to steal girl. No, So I'm playing video games.
Speaker 6: They come in. The two ladies come in. I was okay,
Speaker 6: see Simone, see the other girls, Like dang, she sounded nice.
Speaker 6: But my boy was like this my girl, I'm going
Speaker 6: with it. So I let him roll with it for
Speaker 6: a long time. I was like, it's a long time,
Speaker 6: you know in college. A couple of weeks, right, A
Speaker 6: couple of weeks. I was like, okay, And so I asked.
Speaker 3: Him one day. I was like, so it's you and
Speaker 3: some moll y'all. Y'all cool. He was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: we good. Were good.
Speaker 6: So some mom hit me up one day and said, hey,
Speaker 6: I got a waterbed and my waterbed isn't working.
Speaker 3: I need somebody to fix my waterbed. An eighties eighties.
Speaker 6: Load, so you know you're fixing turnpapers, I'm fixing water bed.
Speaker 1: And you're fixing waterbed.
Speaker 3: This eighties though, loas right.
Speaker 6: So she's like, my waterbed, I said, I got a
Speaker 6: water bed back in La.
Speaker 3: I'll come down there and I'll hook you up.
Speaker 1: Did you really have one?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 6: I had a water bed, went downstairs, fixed her waterbed.
Speaker 6: She was like, you're the best. I'm gonna make you dinner.
Speaker 6: So I was like, oh cool, I'm in college.
Speaker 3: So I go down. She makes some chicken wings, and.
Speaker 4: This story actually so welcome to reality.
Speaker 6: She makes these chicken wings, makes a nice little dish.
Speaker 6: It was a good food and I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: and so we're down there, said hey.
Speaker 3: So you know I appreciate this. This is so sweet.
Speaker 6: I said, I know you and my man y'all going
Speaker 6: out and hanging out. She was like, I'm not with
Speaker 6: your man at all. I was like, what she said,
Speaker 6: I'm not with him. So when I got back up.
Speaker 3: To our our apartment, I said, hey, are you and
Speaker 3: you and Simone are y'all hanging?
Speaker 6: He's like, now that that's my girl. So I was like,
Speaker 6: once he said that, I was like, okay, but did
Speaker 6: you have.
Speaker 1: A conversation with him to be like hey.
Speaker 3: No, I mean yeah.
Speaker 6: When I went upstairs, I asked him. I was like, hey,
Speaker 6: are you you and Simona are y'all dating? And he
Speaker 6: was like he finally came clean and was like, nah,
Speaker 6: that's my girl when you.
Speaker 1: Come clean and say she cooked me dinner and I fixed.
Speaker 3: He knew that. He knew that because he knew I
Speaker 3: fixed the waterbed.
Speaker 1: I was saying, so you were knowing college for fixing water?
Speaker 1: Did I fix everything?
Speaker 3: I do it all? I do it all.
Speaker 6: I'm a renaissance man, I'm a morehouse man. I'm cooking,
Speaker 6: I'm fixing stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm a rental and.
Speaker 2: You're also you know, a main ingredient in the Maritime
Speaker 2: Medicine show. I am obsessed with this show. I am
Speaker 2: really appreciative of you two coming because look, the show
Speaker 2: is successful, not only because of the strong women who
Speaker 2: are fantastic, all of them past present, and even the
Speaker 2: ones coming on.
Speaker 1: It's a fantastic show.
Speaker 2: But let's be clear, without the men, the show will
Speaker 2: just be another female ensemble docu series, which will be okay.
Speaker 1: But I don't feel like the men on the show
Speaker 1: get the props that y'all deserve.
Speaker 2: So when doctor Eugene hit me up on Twitter, it's
Speaker 2: a joke.
Speaker 1: I take off serious, I see.
Speaker 2: So when you hit me up on Twitter said you know,
Speaker 2: we need to come on, and then Cecil said, yeah, Carlos.
Speaker 1: Break up on? I said why not?
Speaker 2: Because I love the show so much and I did
Speaker 2: create this podcast so that people can have a voice
Speaker 2: and I want to hear about the two of you
Speaker 2: and what y'all think. So do y'all wives know that
Speaker 2: y'all are here today?
Speaker 1: Yes, of course. How did that go? Well? Toy, Well,
Speaker 1: you want to show Toya for some reason it acts like.
Speaker 5: I haven't been on the show with her for ten years,
Speaker 5: Toya said, and I quote, have a good interview, talk
Speaker 5: less to think more, and they are not your therapists.
Speaker 5: So I hit her with a couple couple couple of means.
Speaker 5: And my response was like, you think after ten years,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know how to conduct myself, you know.
Speaker 5: But I think the great thing about our show, it's
Speaker 5: not just the fact that we got met here.
Speaker 1: It's actually more of the couples.
Speaker 5: You know, for a while, we were the one of
Speaker 5: the only shows that had all married ensemble. If you
Speaker 5: really think about it, there was you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: what else was it? Blackish kind of you know, like
Speaker 5: but besides that, even the housewives really aren't they weren't
Speaker 5: they weren't married, you know, half of you know.
Speaker 1: So to to just be able to showcase.
Speaker 5: In a reality format married couples, the things we go through,
Speaker 5: you know, I think is important.
Speaker 1: And I think what I.
Speaker 5: See from from you know, the Twitter, artience, Instagram and
Speaker 5: just just meeting people, you know, people, you know.
Speaker 1: Especially guys. A lot of guys watch.
Speaker 5: Our show and they're like, man, I really appreciate you
Speaker 5: showing you know, how you are with your kids, how
Speaker 5: you are with your wife. Man, me and my wife
Speaker 5: went through that, you know, and even some of you
Speaker 5: know me and my wife, we're very open, like even
Speaker 5: financial stuff we put out there.
Speaker 1: You know. You know people are like, Man, I had
Speaker 1: that problem too.
Speaker 5: I know, I know people that were doctors had that problem,
Speaker 5: you know, like and but it resonates, and it's like,
Speaker 5: that's why we're we're so open because we know it
Speaker 5: may help somebody, you know. So I think it's just
Speaker 5: a great show case of black families, you know, black fathers,
Speaker 5: you know, black husbands.
Speaker 1: It's just I think it's important to put out there.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's not anywhere else. No.
Speaker 2: But that's the reason why the show is so good
Speaker 2: is because of all of those components that make sense.
Speaker 2: So when you told Toya you were talking to Carlos King,
Speaker 2: she was cool with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I love Toya. Okay, now you're white.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 1: Here we go, Doctor Simone.
Speaker 2: As you know, I'm her favorite blogger in the world,
Speaker 2: and I love doctor Simone. So when you told doctor
Speaker 2: Simone that you was hopping on Carlos King's podcast.
Speaker 3: So Carlos, let me say this.
Speaker 6: Let me say this first up before I even start,
Speaker 6: I got to give you big props for even allowing
Speaker 6: us to come on. I mean, we've been on TV
Speaker 6: for ten years and we've never had an opportunity to
Speaker 6: come out and talk about the show. So I really
Speaker 6: appreciate you doing this first. Let me say that. Secondly,
Speaker 6: I know it came off kind of strange with the
Speaker 6: whole blogger thing, but trust me when I tell you this.
Speaker 6: Simone and I both are huge fans of you.
Speaker 3: I mean we are huge fans of yours.
Speaker 6: We cheer you on on all the shows you do,
Speaker 6: We watch them. We tweeted out. Simone is just a
Speaker 6: different animal. And Eugene will understand what I'm saying when
Speaker 6: I go a little bit further with this. She doesn't
Speaker 6: really do reality. I mean, she doesn't do social media.
Speaker 6: I believe that she's not. She doesn't really get into
Speaker 6: all the stuff that a lot of the ladies do
Speaker 6: when it comes to going to events talking about their
Speaker 6: true and so when she made the comment about bloggers,
Speaker 6: it wasn't specific to you. She was talking about all
Speaker 6: of the interviews that Simonda, I mean that Quad had done.
Speaker 3: It wasn't your.
Speaker 6: Interview specifically because we both watch your interviews, we watch
Speaker 6: your podcast because I personally think no one else is
Speaker 6: doing anything close to what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 6: I mean it is truly interesting stuff that we can't
Speaker 6: get anywhere else, and we watch it.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and so I know it came off like
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: I want her to know that, because you know, when
Speaker 1: it came back to me, I know this. We all
Speaker 1: like to have fun.
Speaker 2: And I do this because, like I said, this isn't
Speaker 2: my show, not my creation.
Speaker 1: I do it because I love it. I love you guys,
Speaker 1: I love the genre.
Speaker 2: I have this platform to promote us black people to
Speaker 2: really have a voice.
Speaker 1: So I know me and about are good.
Speaker 2: I want the world to know that we have fun
Speaker 2: with it, and I don't.
Speaker 1: Want anyone to think that it's serious. It's really just fun. Shade.
Speaker 1: It was fun, Shade. It's fun. But I love her
Speaker 1: so thank you, and she loves you. Thank you.
Speaker 6: Thank you. You got to prove to up here, Yes
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: She gave me the same kind of rules the Eugenia.
Speaker 6: I probably got three different messages about what I should
Speaker 6: say and don't go too far.
Speaker 3: She was saying, you know, don't drink on this show.
Speaker 6: She didn't want me to be like on Club Shad
Speaker 6: Shade get drunk.
Speaker 1: That's where we got water.
Speaker 2: No. I appreciate that, and I love your wives, but
Speaker 2: I love you guys, and I want to get into
Speaker 2: This season has been explosive. It's the highest rted season
Speaker 2: ever in Marriti Medicine history. There's a lot that's been
Speaker 2: happening this season, but there's a lot that happened prior
Speaker 2: to this that led up to why this season is
Speaker 2: so great. When it comes to marrit To Medicine, do
Speaker 2: you guys have any regrets or had any regrets signing
Speaker 2: up to do the show, because it's not like you
Speaker 2: grew up wanting to be on television and your wives
Speaker 2: didn't either. But when this show came around and you
Speaker 2: saw all the attention that it received, were there are
Speaker 2: moments in your marriages where you sort of questioned whether
Speaker 2: or not this show was healthy enough to sustain your
Speaker 2: healthy marriage.
Speaker 6: Well, I can start because when we did the year
Speaker 6: Fire reunion and Simone announced that we were getting divorced,
Speaker 6: I think it's the most watched reunion on Bravo. I
Speaker 6: was after I walked off stage, I was like, as
Speaker 6: much as this has been a interest in journey, we
Speaker 6: should have came off of here a year or two
Speaker 6: before because I just felt like this is a disaster.
Speaker 6: Now the truth be told is that it actually saved
Speaker 6: our marriage. And I know people like, how does a
Speaker 6: reality show save your marriage?
Speaker 3: But Simone and I are stubborn.
Speaker 6: We were not talking, so we had already made them
Speaker 6: in our minds like, Okay, you're ready to move on.
Speaker 6: I'm ready to move on. You don't want to talk.
Speaker 6: I don't want to talk. But then we come to
Speaker 6: the reunion, you have to talk. And not only do
Speaker 6: you have to talk, your friends are also talking to you,
Speaker 6: and they're saying things to you like, see, so are
Speaker 6: you sure about this? Are you going to let the
Speaker 6: devil come in between you and your marriage? And it
Speaker 6: hit me and I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 6: haven't done enough. So as much as people sometimes down
Speaker 6: and talk about how bad reality TV is, truthfully tell
Speaker 6: you that without it, Simon, I would be divorced. No.
Speaker 2: I watched that entire season and even the reunion, and
Speaker 2: to see how the couples rallied around you guys in
Speaker 2: tears to say this marriage I thought it was beautiful.
Speaker 2: And the reason why the show is great is because
Speaker 2: it is real friendships, and you guys may fight and bicker,
Speaker 2: but fundamentally it is about real friendships in that moment.
Speaker 2: Going back to season five, obviously the biggest controversy was
Speaker 2: that you had a female.
Speaker 1: Friend named Tammy, and.
Speaker 2: It appeared that Tammy was coming in between your marriage
Speaker 2: with Simone. The fact that you would hang out with
Speaker 2: this woman as a married man, the fact that you
Speaker 2: guys would have conversations as a married man.
Speaker 1: Did you and Tammy ever cross the line?
Speaker 6: It never crossed the line. Simone never thought we crossed
Speaker 6: the line. We were really good friends. I mean like
Speaker 6: that was like a sister to me. And I think
Speaker 6: that we didn't understand the dynamic. I know, I didn't
Speaker 6: understand the dynamic of how it was affecting someone because
Speaker 6: they were hanging out. I mean, they went to London together,
Speaker 6: and someone went to London together without you, without me,
Speaker 6: and so I'm thinking, Okay, she we're cool. She's cool
Speaker 6: with someone without me. But after someone explained to me
Speaker 6: how she was feeling, that's when I was like, Okay.
Speaker 3: Initially I didn't get it.
Speaker 1: Because was Tammy, friends with you first or someone else.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she was a work friend. She she we worked
Speaker 6: together at Coca Cola.
Speaker 1: Y'all worked together Coca.
Speaker 6: Cola, played golf, hung out. She's just a good person
Speaker 6: and became a friend. She married, not she was divorced,
Speaker 6: but she had become a friend of the family, friend
Speaker 6: of us, friend of someone's mom, her sister.
Speaker 3: I mean, she was she was truly like family.
Speaker 6: But it did get to a place where someone got
Speaker 6: uncomfortable because she felt like she was spending.
Speaker 3: Too much time with the family, too much time with me.
Speaker 6: And I didn't get that concept because I was like,
Speaker 6: wait a minute, I mean, this is family, Like, why
Speaker 6: would we push back from family?
Speaker 3: And that's the.
Speaker 6: Reason why when we were going through our issues, I
Speaker 6: didn't get it. And that's the reason why I was like, well,
Speaker 6: if that's the issue, then I'm that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense. I'm gonna go ahead and move.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go this way, you go that way, because
Speaker 3: I don't understand what you're talking about. Until we got to.
Speaker 6: The reunion and she started explaining to me what heard
Speaker 6: her about it. And then once she explained to me
Speaker 6: what hurt her about the situation. I was like, you
Speaker 6: know what, I haven't done everything in my power to
Speaker 6: try to fix it. And so when I got back
Speaker 6: to Atlanta, Tammy and I had a conversation and I
Speaker 6: fixed it.
Speaker 1: How did that conversation go between you and Tammy?
Speaker 6: I mean, it wasn't the best It wasn't the best conversation,
Speaker 6: but she was truly a friend. So when we had
Speaker 6: the conversation, she was hurt, but at the same time,
Speaker 6: she was like, see so I totally get it. I
Speaker 6: totally get it, and I understand what you got to do.
Speaker 6: And from that point, I mean, we met at Spondivids.
Speaker 6: We were sitting at the bar, having drinks, having a
Speaker 6: good time. We had the conversation. I haven't talked to her.
Speaker 6: I saw her one other time at a friend's birthday party.
Speaker 6: We hung out at a birthday party. Other than that,
Speaker 6: I haven't talked to her six years, five six years.
Speaker 5: But that's the power of the show, I think is
Speaker 5: that we're being very most of us are being very
Speaker 5: genuine with our lives. Most of us and most of
Speaker 5: us are being very genuine with our lives, and a
Speaker 5: lot of people are going through these same things. And
Speaker 5: life's not black and white. It's a lot of shades
Speaker 5: of gray, and so I can see as a man
Speaker 5: being very confused in that situation, like, okay with my
Speaker 5: wife's cool with her, what's the problem?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: But I think a lot of men who are watching
Speaker 5: the show probably gained some insight on your wife doesn't
Speaker 5: think like you think, you know, and so there's a
Speaker 5: lesson to be learned there, and so putting that out
Speaker 5: there has helped who knows how many people's marriage?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because even okay, because again I watched the show,
Speaker 2: and I think what was unclear for I'll just speak
Speaker 2: myself for me was if Tammy and Samone are traveling together,
Speaker 2: They're going to London, gathers for the family, you guys
Speaker 2: were together, She comes to the crib, she plays with
Speaker 2: the kids, you know, all these things. What changed where
Speaker 2: Simone felt that I no longer want this woman around
Speaker 2: my husband? Like, was there anything specific? Was it the
Speaker 2: fact that you two were spending too much one on
Speaker 2: one time together? Did Tammy in a properly sent you
Speaker 2: a text message?
Speaker 1: Like what?
Speaker 2: What was the moment in Simon's mind that shifted that
Speaker 2: this is no longer something I'm okay with.
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's a that's a beautiful question. And
Speaker 3: I don't know that this is the right answer, but
Speaker 3: I will say this. There was a.
Speaker 6: Time where Tammy had a flat tire and she called
Speaker 6: me and said, hey, I'm on the side of the road.
Speaker 3: I got a flat tire. Can you come and helped
Speaker 3: me out?
Speaker 6: And I went and I said okay, And I told
Speaker 6: someone said, hey, Tammy's on the side of the road,
Speaker 6: I gotta go.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna help.
Speaker 6: I think that maybe how I moved on that, like
Speaker 6: I moved so fast, like it was like I gotta
Speaker 6: go help Tammy.
Speaker 3: I think that might have been.
Speaker 6: A trigger for someone to be like, okay, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: I don't get this saying.
Speaker 5: I can I offer a different perspective, please do, because
Speaker 5: me and Toya have had a conversation similar I think
Speaker 5: for well, I was gonna say a woman, but actually
Speaker 5: it could be either either gender.
Speaker 1: I think when.
Speaker 5: Your spouse is confiding in the opposite sex about your relationship,
Speaker 5: it becomes problematic, like you can be friends with them,
Speaker 5: but don't talk to them about our relationship. So once
Speaker 5: like surface stuff I think is okay. But if me
Speaker 5: and Toya get into an argument and I call a
Speaker 5: female friend to get advice about the argument. That's when
Speaker 5: it becomes an issue for Toya.
Speaker 3: No, And I think that's fair. But that wasn't. That
Speaker 3: wasn't our relationship. That was not relationship. But that is fair.
Speaker 3: That is a fair point because I saw.
Speaker 2: You jump really fast to go jump start at someone's car,
Speaker 2: got a flat tire?
Speaker 3: Jump start?
Speaker 2: No I'm saying that, but no, because I now again
Speaker 2: I wanted to sort of like paint a picture for
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 1: Yes, I understand that.
Speaker 2: If I am at home and my husband is doing
Speaker 2: him and he comes into the room and says, Babe,
Speaker 2: I gotta go town.
Speaker 1: I got a flat tire.
Speaker 2: I gotta pump it up right, I gotta.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And she sees you sweating, and she said, you got
Speaker 2: your running nikes.
Speaker 1: On and you are in the car paddle to the metal.
Speaker 2: I can understand why she's sort of like, now, why
Speaker 2: are you rushing to do that for her?
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, were you ever attracted
Speaker 1: to Tammy?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Never?
Speaker 3: Never?
Speaker 1: Is she an attractive woman.
Speaker 3: She's an attractive woman.
Speaker 6: But I mean, I like all I like them I
Speaker 6: mean some of my friends would say. Some of my
Speaker 6: friends would be like, okay, yeah, I know Cecil was
Speaker 6: not attractive to Tammy. But the truth to the matter
Speaker 6: is she's such a sweet lady, she's such a beautiful
Speaker 6: spirit that she's an attractive woman. I just wasn't attracted to her.
Speaker 6: I mean, but we played golf together, we hung out.
Speaker 6: I mean, she's one of the nicest people you ever meet.
Speaker 6: But at the same time running out the way I
Speaker 6: did for her. And you know, of course, when you're married,
Speaker 6: when you're in a relationship, people never feel like you
Speaker 6: jump when they ask, right yes, And I probably didn't
Speaker 6: jump every time someone ass and so to see me
Speaker 6: jump in this occasion. And then when there was a
Speaker 6: time when we had a snowstorm and someone was over
Speaker 6: at North Side Hospital and I asked her like, are
Speaker 6: you sure you need me to come get get you?
Speaker 3: I think she tied those two together and.
Speaker 6: Bingo, yeah, do you miss Tammy? I mean, yes, I do.
Speaker 6: I do I miss Tammy.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: Because we were in a golf group and now I'm
Speaker 6: not in the golf group anymore, all the guys cut
Speaker 6: me for Tammy. So we used to play in a golf.
Speaker 1: You mean to tell me your homeboys in the golf group.
Speaker 3: I don't get anybody anymore. I get zero in.
Speaker 1: But they chose Tammy over you.
Speaker 3: They did, I mean they did, and I understand it.
Speaker 5: So I didn't know that I'm gonna learn how to
Speaker 5: play golf.
Speaker 1: I played with her, I mean, but why so? It
Speaker 1: is she a good golfer.
Speaker 3: She's a good golfer. She's a good golfer. But she's
Speaker 3: just a nice person.
Speaker 2: But I think you're the nicest Thank you, But I
Speaker 2: think so.
Speaker 1: I really do love you. I think you're the nicest
Speaker 1: guy in the world.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that color and I try to be nice.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, I wasn't mad at my
Speaker 6: guys for stop inviting me out to play golf. I
Speaker 6: don't play with those guys anymore. And these are some
Speaker 6: of the people. I introduced Tammy to these guys, and
Speaker 6: I don't play in that group anymore.
Speaker 3: I got new guys now.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, Tammy, I mean, it's Tammy in
Speaker 1: a relationship.
Speaker 6: Now, I don't know, Like I said, I haven't talked
Speaker 6: to her in like five plus years.
Speaker 2: Did you ever resent Simone for not being able to
Speaker 2: continue this friendship. And now even hearing that you lost
Speaker 2: your golf friends because of you ending.
Speaker 3: This friendship, I didn't resent her at all.
Speaker 6: I made a conscious decision when we were in New
Speaker 6: York at the reunion talking about it, that you know
Speaker 6: what if, because at that point, I mean, I've been
Speaker 6: married twenty years, so I'm like, you know what if
Speaker 6: this is gonna jeopardize me move be for my wife,
Speaker 6: then I gotta let it go. And so I don't,
Speaker 6: I don't falter. I'm totally fine with it. I'd make
Speaker 6: the same decision tomorrow.
Speaker 3: But she was my friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So what you guys mentioned earlier is you
Speaker 2: feel like the majority of y'all showcase your realized who
Speaker 2: do you think on the show is not showcasing.
Speaker 1: Their real life?
Speaker 3: Who's not here?
Speaker 1: Jackie and Curtis all right?
Speaker 5: Put its way, when I think in the if you
Speaker 5: look back in the show and you don't see a
Speaker 5: lot of scenes in the person's home, I don't think
Speaker 5: those people are showing their authentic self. Like there's there's
Speaker 5: certain people I haven't I've never even stepped foot in
Speaker 5: their homes.
Speaker 3: From a camera, stem from a you know, well, like
Speaker 3: they don't show it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well no, you physically well, i'd say wait into
Speaker 5: a different times. Well, I think physical camera wise, there's
Speaker 5: some people you don't really see their life that much
Speaker 5: in their home. I think those people aren't being one
Speaker 5: hundred percent authentic with everything. Yeah, they're showing a representation
Speaker 5: of themselves.
Speaker 1: And I'll just leave it at that. So as we're
Speaker 1: talking about doctor Jack and Kurtis, I didn't say that,
Speaker 1: you said that do what does Curtis do in the
Speaker 1: Dominican Republic?
Speaker 6: So what he explained to us is that he's in
Speaker 6: a group and they're looking to build a resort and
Speaker 6: a part of the dr that's not fully established.
Speaker 1: He told it was a development deal. But that's that's
Speaker 1: all we know. We don't know anything else.
Speaker 4: What's so funny, I don't know, you're looking around like
Speaker 4: there's more today that we don't know anything else.
Speaker 2: All because I saw flies fly ro because there was
Speaker 2: a bullshing.
Speaker 1: So allegedly Curtis is in the men of Republic building
Speaker 1: a resort.
Speaker 6: I mean no, I mean not even allegedly. I mean
Speaker 6: he sent out the pamphlet. We saw the pamphlet where
Speaker 6: he's one of the partners of this development group.
Speaker 3: I mean Jackie understands it.
Speaker 6: Jackie sends it out and shows people he's part of
Speaker 6: a development group building a resort in the dr Now
Speaker 6: we done. We haven't gotten an invite to go, so
Speaker 6: I haven't seen it with my own eyes.
Speaker 2: When Curtis got caught at Atlanta Hartsbille International Airport going
Speaker 2: through Spirit Airlines.
Speaker 1: Near frontier holding hands with a woman.
Speaker 2: Carrying coach luggage, were you guys aware at that time
Speaker 2: that he was having an affair?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, you never rebuilt.
Speaker 3: No, and Curtis and I were friends. I mean I
Speaker 3: met kurt Is.
Speaker 6: I mean I knew Jackie before they got married, and
Speaker 6: so I make characters as soon as she met him.
Speaker 6: But no, we were not hanging out like that. I
Speaker 6: mean I didn't know that he was. I didn't know
Speaker 6: he had somebody on the side.
Speaker 2: If you two would have known that he was cheating
Speaker 2: on Jackie, would you have told your wives?
Speaker 6: Uh, Eugenie, you want to answer first, because that's a
Speaker 6: great question, because I think I know what Eugene is
Speaker 6: gonna say.
Speaker 1: Me and Toya pretty open with each other. Pillow talk.
Speaker 4: Beyond pillows, some kind of way. We Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, keep it.
Speaker 5: What probably would have done is real talk, my my.
Speaker 5: My kind of general thing with this is heyto taught
Speaker 5: to Jackie, because just just make sure she's okay relationship wise.
Speaker 5: And I probably would have left it at that now,
Speaker 5: like because I now. One thing I don't like doing
Speaker 5: is it's like acting like I know something that I
Speaker 5: don't now just because I see somebody with somebody, I'm
Speaker 5: not going to assume is what I think it looks like,
Speaker 5: because it could be something totally different. For instance, I
Speaker 5: saw a friend the other day.
Speaker 1: He's a lawyer.
Speaker 5: He was in a restaurant with a blond right, he's married.
Speaker 5: Now I think he was. He was on a business meeting,
Speaker 5: you know. But if you if you didn't know that
Speaker 5: and you just ran with it and said, hey, you
Speaker 5: know he over there with with this girl, you know, like,
Speaker 5: that's that's wrong to put out, that's assuming. So just
Speaker 5: because I see somebody out with somebody, I don't know
Speaker 5: if that's his cousin, I don't know, if that's his
Speaker 5: daughter's friend that he's you know, like I don't know
Speaker 5: he's got a grown daughter that his daughter could have
Speaker 5: been in the bathroom and that could have been he
Speaker 5: could have been you know, like, it could have been
Speaker 5: all kinds.
Speaker 1: Of different scenarios.
Speaker 5: So I would have just been like, hey saw something,
Speaker 5: don't know what it was, just check on Jackie.
Speaker 1: Weis would have told you told me that. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: have told you. Guys that would have told me.
Speaker 3: He might he might would have telled me. I wouldn't tell.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't tell someone because the other part of the
Speaker 6: equation is is that I see so many times where
Speaker 6: people go back and tell and then the person forgives
Speaker 6: the person and now you're the you're the god man out.
Speaker 6: So I would never do it.
Speaker 5: I would never take Now, if he told me that,
Speaker 5: my conversation with the man would have been a counseling.
Speaker 3: Now that's different.
Speaker 1: That's different.
Speaker 3: No, No, I would have a I have a conversation,
Speaker 3: a conversation.
Speaker 1: Right, Look, I've had what can we do other than that.
Speaker 6: I've had multiple friends. I've had multiple friends that had
Speaker 6: gotten off track, and we've had conversations. Sometimes the conversations
Speaker 6: go well, sometimes the conversations don't. But I'm going to
Speaker 6: have a conversation with the guy. I'm not going back
Speaker 6: and telling the wife though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no that I mean, listen, I think that's what
Speaker 2: all men would do if if we're all being honest.
Speaker 1: Besides Eugene, they're watching Judy.
Speaker 2: But other than that, this is the thing about maritive medicine,
Speaker 2: and again, as a producer, this is what I feel
Speaker 2: is missing. I love doctor Jackie. I think she's fantastic
Speaker 2: on the show. She's what's needed for the show. She's
Speaker 2: the medicine Marathon medicine. We were exposed to some infidelity
Speaker 2: within her and Curtis marriage. I feel like ever since
Speaker 2: that was exposed, we just don't see anything, and it
Speaker 2: begs the question of what's happening.
Speaker 5: Curtis is a pretty private person, like so of the
Speaker 5: guys on the show. I'm probably closest with Cecil. I've
Speaker 5: known Damon probably the longest and right after Damon Gregory.
Speaker 5: But I do know Curtis is a pretty private person.
Speaker 5: Like we're not friends, Like we talk on the phone.
Speaker 5: You know, obviously we filmed together, but that's our interaction
Speaker 5: and I think we're good.
Speaker 1: But I understand that he is not the person who's
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 5: Share everything of his life before the infidelity or after,
Speaker 5: and so he's just not the type to be filming,
Speaker 5: like we film, it's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So you feel a lot. I do, and we love
Speaker 2: seeing that. There has been tons of people. Doctor Heavenly
Speaker 2: has called you sassy. She believes you are a sassy man.
Speaker 2: What do you think.
Speaker 1: When you hear that?
Speaker 2: Because you're married to a woman who's on this show
Speaker 2: that's very opinionated and the show is about couples. When
Speaker 2: you hear that someone like Doctor Heavenly thinks you're sassy?
Speaker 1: Does that offend you? No? Put its way? I actually
Speaker 1: I laugh it off. You know. I think a couple
Speaker 1: of things.
Speaker 5: One, I think this notion of manhood I think has
Speaker 5: gotten the script has been. We've gotten off on. Like
Speaker 5: if you're not in this mold that people think you're
Speaker 5: supposed to be, right, yeah, then then you're either hyper
Speaker 5: masculine or you as sissy, you know, sassy, whatever you
Speaker 5: gin up, whatever you don't.
Speaker 1: Call whatever, I don't, I don't really give it.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm gonna buy hi address, like, okay, make
Speaker 5: it a nice one. I know what I am, you know,
Speaker 5: like I know what I am and I know what
Speaker 5: I answer to you know. But I think there's different
Speaker 5: ways to be a man, you know, like manhood isn't
Speaker 5: one singular thing, just like womanhood is not one singular thing,
Speaker 5: you know. And but this whole notion of women's business
Speaker 5: and that that kind of thing, Like if we were
Speaker 5: to rewind thirty years ars ago, the women wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: Had anything to say.
Speaker 5: We would have we'd just been man talk and we
Speaker 5: would have squashed them and say no, you also stay
Speaker 5: in your place, don't say anything. But I think, you know,
Speaker 5: society is kind of overcorrected and oversteered where now women
Speaker 5: are in this thing where we have a voice and
Speaker 5: we're supposed to be equal, but now we're trying to
Speaker 5: tear men down to not be able to have something
Speaker 5: to say. My thing with the show is, you know,
Speaker 5: we're all here, we're all filming, we're all you know,
Speaker 5: have you know, you know, if you're talking about my family,
Speaker 5: I should have something to say. That's not you know,
Speaker 5: me being sassy, like I'm speaking up either for my
Speaker 5: wife or my family or for myself, Like you don't
Speaker 5: get to talk about my family and I don't have
Speaker 5: an opinion, just you know, like I just don't see
Speaker 5: why we're trying to silence a man's voice, because thirty
Speaker 5: years ago we were trying to silence women's voice and
Speaker 5: we said that was wrong, you know, and so it's
Speaker 5: equally wrong to silence my voice as well. So you know,
Speaker 5: I don't really care about the sassy comments or the
Speaker 5: Ugina comments or.
Speaker 4: But the thing about Okay's say, I know who I am.
Speaker 2: I know who I am, and we love that you
Speaker 2: are who you are, and we love that you as
Speaker 2: a black man, you're very secure in your skin.
Speaker 1: When and I said it to Quad and I said
Speaker 1: it's to Toya.
Speaker 2: When Quad called you Ugina, I did think, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's too far.
Speaker 1: And I said this to her.
Speaker 5: There's been other things she said that I think we're further,
Speaker 5: like what than Ugina, Like like like the stuff about
Speaker 5: me and Toya were drunk driving with our kids, that
Speaker 5: was further, you know, Like the stuff about we might
Speaker 5: have robbed Kieran and Aneila, that was further. You know,
Speaker 5: Like those are those are things that I take offense to,
Speaker 5: and those are things I actually have said something about.
Speaker 5: But then when I say something, it's we're gonna get
Speaker 5: him addressed. I'm like, well, you kind of don't get
Speaker 5: to say what you want about my family doing something criminal,
Speaker 5: and I don't get to say something, you know, because
Speaker 5: I'm a physician, like and you know some of the
Speaker 5: stuff that Jackie's been saying lately about you know, you
Speaker 5: don't get to say something about a physician like it's
Speaker 5: it's the stakes are a little higher for us, you know,
Speaker 5: because even though uh, you know, I have to I
Speaker 5: have to get certified to work at these hospitals. And
Speaker 5: if the CEO at the hospital looks at the show
Speaker 5: and says, oh, he might be a criminal, you know,
Speaker 5: like what if he says, well, I don't want him
Speaker 5: working here. You know, I don't want Jackie working at
Speaker 5: that hospital, and that that that that that that affects
Speaker 5: my longevity and my ability to take care of patients
Speaker 5: that I love, take care of my family that I love. Like,
Speaker 5: you don't get just say I'm doing something criminal with
Speaker 5: no proof. And so those are the times that I've
Speaker 5: said something and people have been like, oh, well, you
Speaker 5: stay out of women's business. No, that's not women's business.
Speaker 5: This is this is everybody business. This is my business.
Speaker 5: Now you're talking about my business, you know.
Speaker 6: Well, and you know the thing that's disappointing about it.
Speaker 6: And you know, I hate to go to the whole
Speaker 6: race thing, but I do believe that it happens more on.
Speaker 3: The Black shows.
Speaker 6: Oh, you know, on the Black shows, if a man
Speaker 6: has anything to say, he's being sassy, and you know,
Speaker 6: and I love Nini, but I think when Nini started
Speaker 6: out with Peter about being you know, Patricia and so forth,
Speaker 6: I think she started the narrative that if a guy
Speaker 6: has anything to say, that he's in women's business and
Speaker 6: he shouldn't have anything.
Speaker 3: To say on this show.
Speaker 6: The other side to the coin is, as you know,
Speaker 6: they're asking our opinions. Yeah, we're coming out and they're
Speaker 6: asking our opinion to.
Speaker 1: Speak on it.
Speaker 6: Now, sometimes we'll say things and sometimes we might decide,
Speaker 6: you know what, I'm not going to speak on that.
Speaker 1: And for me, that's not why we like this show.
Speaker 1: Because you you made a good point.
Speaker 2: Marrition Medicine is the first black reality show that focused
Speaker 2: on married couples. And because of Maritime Medicine doing that
Speaker 2: so successfully, and you may having opinions, I'm able to
Speaker 2: have creative loving marriage. You know, a show to where
Speaker 2: both men and women have an opinion. Now, the difference
Speaker 2: with that show is they're all main stars of it,
Speaker 2: and they all get paid. You guys do not get paid.
Speaker 2: No American Madison, Right, do you feel like it's time
Speaker 2: for you guys to get paid on the show?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: And no.
Speaker 5: Now do I do I want to have the schedule
Speaker 5: that my wife has with the show.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not available to film five times a week. Okay,
Speaker 5: this is a part time kind of gig for me
Speaker 5: when we're filming. But but do I I think the
Speaker 5: audience when looking at it, wouldn't know that we're getting paid.
Speaker 5: But the men, we are pivotal to the success of
Speaker 5: the show, whether we're paid or not, whether we're in
Speaker 5: the Dominican Republic or in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: You know, like we're here, right, you my type of guy.
Speaker 2: You guys are a pivotal part of the show, so
Speaker 2: much so that you guys are storylines.
Speaker 1: Right. I want to talk about Quad.
Speaker 3: Colors. You might want to look this way, talk about
Speaker 3: don't look that way.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the case something, but real bro, talk What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Quad? I wish it will? What
Speaker 1: do you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 5: What are my thoughts? That's a very general question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, in terms of as a person, you know,
Speaker 2: like you said, she has called you ugina, she has,
Speaker 2: you know, made comments about the robbery. She has apologized
Speaker 2: to you and Toya about that on my podcast as well.
Speaker 2: You two seem to have this very divisive relationship.
Speaker 1: Who has a divisive relationship you in Quad, me and Qui. Well,
Speaker 1: it appears that you two go back.
Speaker 5: And what my honest opinion about Quad, She's just not
Speaker 5: my favorite person in the world because I wish her well.
Speaker 5: I just I've I've let Quad back into my family's
Speaker 5: circle multiple times, and it's it doesn't seem to go
Speaker 5: well every time we say, okay, well, we'll hug after
Speaker 5: an apology, and so I'm I'm I wish her well.
Speaker 5: But I have nothing else really to say to Quad
Speaker 5: necessarily like she you know, I can be in the
Speaker 5: same room with anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't wish no ill will on her. She's just
Speaker 5: not my favorite person. She's Cecil's favorite person. So we
Speaker 5: can talk to Cecil about that.
Speaker 1: Do you accept her apology?
Speaker 5: Of course I accept it, but that doesn't mean accept
Speaker 5: an apology doesn't mean that I want to be your friend.
Speaker 1: And there's and there's.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of people in this world that I
Speaker 5: can I can wish them well, I can be in
Speaker 5: the same room with them, But I just I'm not
Speaker 5: confiding in you. I'm not necessarily wanting to be your friend.
Speaker 5: There was some hurtful things over the years, and and
Speaker 5: and Toy has mentioned this multiple times.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, are you still hurt by it?
Speaker 5: I think I think the robbery stuff and the cheating
Speaker 5: stuff and the drunk driving stuff, we're biggies.
Speaker 1: Like I think.
Speaker 5: I think our show, the platform of reality TV, I
Speaker 5: get the shade like like some shade like even stuff
Speaker 5: I've said, I've said a bunch of stuff, you.
Speaker 1: Know, sometimes I just get to I say stuff.
Speaker 5: Curtis checked me on one thing that I said. I said, Hey,
Speaker 5: that was I was joking. That was over the line,
Speaker 5: the whole dunkin in the basket thing, That was a joke.
Speaker 5: I apologize. I think he forgives me. But if he doesn't,
Speaker 5: you know, but.
Speaker 1: I think he does.
Speaker 5: But I think there's you can't ofss a line in
Speaker 5: reality TV where when you start talking about people doing
Speaker 5: something criminal and you have no proof, you know, like
Speaker 5: that's that's when I think it's really crossing a big
Speaker 5: line where you're saying things.
Speaker 1: That could result like like the whole cheating thing or
Speaker 1: accusing toy you of cheating right with someone in the neighborhood.
Speaker 5: Now I know, I know the backstory behind some of
Speaker 5: this because and that's the thing. Another another thing why
Speaker 5: I think the show is so successful.
Speaker 1: We all kind of knew each other.
Speaker 5: We've known each other for a long time, and some
Speaker 5: of the stuff that comes up on our show, it
Speaker 5: isn't I don't think even explained well once you edit
Speaker 5: and shop it.
Speaker 1: It's hard to.
Speaker 5: Explain some of the stuff because some of the stuff
Speaker 5: go real deep, you know. So if I was the
Speaker 5: type of person guy, if I was this ultra masculine
Speaker 5: guy who I heard that my wife was cheating with,
Speaker 5: who it was said was cheating with, if I was
Speaker 5: the type to just go over to this house, that
Speaker 5: wouldn't have been a good scenario at all. But I'm
Speaker 5: not that tight. Luckily, you know, I'm saying true.
Speaker 1: I had, I had. I had just a conversation with
Speaker 1: my wife.
Speaker 4: We talked about it, and I believe, and I believe
Speaker 4: my wife.
Speaker 2: Did you ask Toya whether or not she cheated on
Speaker 2: you with this guy.
Speaker 1: Well, well, actually, well who she who? Who it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be.
Speaker 5: I thought it was funny because I know Toy doesn't
Speaker 5: even like this person that much, you know. But we
Speaker 5: did have a convers you know, because once it comes up,
Speaker 5: you still got to have a conversation, you know, And.
Speaker 1: There was a was there a small part of you believe.
Speaker 5: That there's always I think there's always gonna be a
Speaker 5: gut punch anytime somebody tells you your wife is with
Speaker 5: somebody else, whether it's true or not. Now, once I
Speaker 5: heard it, gut punch, but it's like that's not even possible.
Speaker 5: Then you have the conversation with your wife and be like,
Speaker 5: okay that this all makes sense, you know, problem solved.
Speaker 5: But still the person who kind of perpetuates the rumor
Speaker 5: doesn't know that I'm the type to just have a
Speaker 5: conversation with my wife. Because there are some guys out
Speaker 5: there who are not going to have a conversation. They're
Speaker 5: gonna go be very active, like proactive, and try to
Speaker 5: do something to the guy. They're either just gonna leave
Speaker 5: the girl and be like, well you're cheating, and she's
Speaker 5: gonna be like baby, this this this, I'm not and
Speaker 5: he may not believe, you know what. I was just
Speaker 5: not believing, like she's qua said you were cheating, so
Speaker 5: I gotta believe it her.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not that type.
Speaker 5: But it's still you're saying something that could have caused
Speaker 5: a lot of problems, you know, the whole Well, what
Speaker 5: if we robbed Anela and Kieren. That's that's a big deal,
Speaker 5: you know, And a lot of people are probably are like, well,
Speaker 5: why are you all because because recently we're we've gotten
Speaker 5: back in I think a friendly kind of situation with
Speaker 5: Anela and Kieran. But they've been both very apologetic, you know,
Speaker 5: very you know, and to the point where I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: I believe y'all.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: The first time, the first time Toya said, hey, come
Speaker 5: over kire in o'neila's house, I was like, I'm not going.
Speaker 1: Over there for what she's apologized to me, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, so I don't mean nothing, you know.
Speaker 5: But now I get like I've hung out with them
Speaker 5: a couple of times. I think they're now genuine and
Speaker 5: so it's about how you act after the apology, not
Speaker 5: after the apology. Quads apologize multiple times you know, there's
Speaker 5: been multiple girls on the show. To apologize multiple times
Speaker 5: doesn't mean anything afterwards.
Speaker 1: So you talked to see some Now Qua's your favorite person.
Speaker 6: I mean, she's not my favorite person, but she's she's sweet.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I mean, but you got to remember,
Speaker 6: there's there's a history here. I mean, I mean we've
Speaker 6: known quite ten years. I mean, we've hung out outside
Speaker 6: the show. You know, we went to Vegas for the
Speaker 6: Mayweather fight when her and Gregory with it. We're still married.
Speaker 6: You know, I was pulling for her and Gregory to
Speaker 6: be able to pull their relationship up together. My experience
Speaker 6: hasn't been the same as Eugene, and you know, and
Speaker 6: Eugene and I talk about this all the time because
Speaker 6: we're good friends and we'll have conversations. He'll raise something
Speaker 6: to me and I'll be like, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 6: It's hard for me to see it because like, she
Speaker 6: never comes at me that way, right, And everything that
Speaker 6: I've seen from her has been, at least from from
Speaker 6: our family's.
Speaker 3: Perspective, has been pretty genuine. And that's the part I like, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I do think, you know, one of the things
Speaker 2: about the cheating thing, and again This is just me
Speaker 2: watching the show because I think Toya accused Quad of
Speaker 2: sleeping with the contractors.
Speaker 5: No, she just she just somebody else said that first.
Speaker 1: Somebody on the.
Speaker 3: Show said, yeah, Toya wasn't the initiative.
Speaker 1: Who was?
Speaker 6: I think my wife might have been the first one
Speaker 6: repeat it.
Speaker 3: She repeats it, but Red the first she did.
Speaker 1: She I didn't.
Speaker 6: My wife might have been the first one to repeat it,
Speaker 6: but she repeated it on something that somebody else had
Speaker 6: told her too, which she shouldn't have done.
Speaker 3: But she did.
Speaker 1: The now the bite that you see a lot.
Speaker 5: I think the biggest conversation about it, I think was reunion, Yes,
Speaker 5: and that was between Quad and Toya. So it makes
Speaker 5: it like it's a bigger thing and it's kind of
Speaker 5: timestamp for the audience at that moment. But Toy didn't
Speaker 5: say that first. That was not something Toya knew or
Speaker 5: was going seeking like, that's not that wasn't her. That
Speaker 5: wasn't her tea that she came up with.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 2: So obviously, when you guys started the show, Quad was
Speaker 2: married to doctor g. We saw the up and downs
Speaker 2: of their relationship, then the divorce, and he was not
Speaker 2: on this show anymore. And now that he's back, he's
Speaker 2: with Sweet Tea. What do you guys feel about Doctor
Speaker 2: G coming back to Maritime Medicine, I.
Speaker 5: Pussu way, just because you know, just in the same
Speaker 5: way that we're saying the men are pivotal to the show,
Speaker 5: and the men you know, we've we've stuck in there
Speaker 5: for the show for a long time. Doctor G was
Speaker 5: there from the beginning, you know, So him coming back
Speaker 5: is like it's like a character that kind of left
Speaker 5: for a second and came back, you know, Like I
Speaker 5: look at I look at the show like an audience
Speaker 5: person looking at the show.
Speaker 1: I like Doctor G. Back in the day.
Speaker 5: I thought it was hilarious, you know, and so and
Speaker 5: I still think he's larious. I think he's good for
Speaker 5: the show. But I like him now coming back because
Speaker 5: he really looks happy now. So just as a personal man,
Speaker 5: the man thing, I like, I like this Doctor G.
Speaker 1: Better you think Sweet teammates Doctor.
Speaker 5: I think I just see him as a happy person.
Speaker 1: Happier, happier, Yes.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the beauty of it though too.
Speaker 3: The beauty of it.
Speaker 6: Is we're getting to see Doctor G in a different light, right.
Speaker 5: Because the evolution of somebody, you know. I like seeing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he looks he looks different.
Speaker 6: I mean even in their scenes when they're in the
Speaker 6: home together that we don't know what's going on, but
Speaker 6: when we watch it, like, Okay, he.
Speaker 3: Took the trash out. You know, they showed him taking
Speaker 3: the trash out this year. He never took the trash
Speaker 3: out with cud. So, I mean, you know, just.
Speaker 6: To see that and to see him, you know, because
Speaker 6: here's the other side to it. You know, Gregory and
Speaker 6: I play golf together. We were hanging out even when
Speaker 6: he wasn't on the show. But the thing that I
Speaker 6: think is important is doctor G being a psychiatrist. I
Speaker 6: think it's important to our community to have someone like
Speaker 6: him on the show, to be able to have a
Speaker 6: voice for some of the stuff that we got going
Speaker 6: on in our mental state and what's going on.
Speaker 3: In the community. And I think doctor G is is
Speaker 3: an amazing voice. I hope he writes.
Speaker 6: I've been pushing him to write a book to talk
Speaker 6: about mental health. I mean, it's needed in our community.
Speaker 6: And doctor G is an amazing doctor. I mean, he
Speaker 6: is an amazing doctor. I've seen him on a golf
Speaker 6: trip stop playing get to come off the course to
Speaker 6: go and talk to his patients.
Speaker 3: He's not on.
Speaker 6: Call, but someone found out, you know, they had his number.
Speaker 6: They send him a message, he calls him back. The
Speaker 6: guy is amazing And so for me to have someone
Speaker 6: like that on the show, that gives everyone who's watching
Speaker 6: the show a different perspective, you know, because I mean,
Speaker 6: doctors are real people. And that's the thing that I
Speaker 6: love about Married to medicine. Yes, everyone was on the
Speaker 6: show and married. But the other side to this equation
Speaker 6: is these are real doctors. And we're not talking about
Speaker 6: just Jackie and Simone, but Jackie, Simon, Damon, Eugene Gregory,
Speaker 6: I mean, Alicia Kima.
Speaker 3: These are real doctors.
Speaker 6: And and this is not a situation where these people
Speaker 6: are playing doctors on TV. Yeah, and and not everyone
Speaker 6: grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth. These
Speaker 6: are people who grew up regular like everyone else, but
Speaker 6: they went the extra mile to become a doctor. To me,
Speaker 6: that's an amazing, amazing I think that's what sets our
Speaker 6: show apart.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And like you said, it's to highlight and showcase
Speaker 2: that love of black excellence when it came.
Speaker 6: To and heavenly too. I just want to make sure
Speaker 6: I didn't say heavy. Did I say that? I don't
Speaker 6: know if I did. I just want to make sure
Speaker 6: I said heavenly too. Okay, it's an amazing It's an
Speaker 6: amazing cast of accomplished black folks. Some folks went to HBCU,
Speaker 6: some didn't, but folks that grew up with, some folks
Speaker 6: with single parents, didn't have a whole bunch of money.
Speaker 6: I mean some more. Own story is amazing. I tell
Speaker 6: her all the time, you should be writing a book.
Speaker 6: She grew up with, She grew with her and her
Speaker 6: Her mom and dad divorced when Simone was younger, and
Speaker 6: Simone decided when she was twelve she was going to
Speaker 6: be a doctor, and she did everything in her power
Speaker 6: to make that happen.
Speaker 3: To me, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now listen.
Speaker 2: That's why again it's the best shown Bravo, because I
Speaker 2: think what it does is shows the audience and even
Speaker 2: the hopfols, the way we were watching a different world
Speaker 2: and we saw black people in college and it made
Speaker 2: us all want to go to an HBCU. You know,
Speaker 2: My hope for this show is that it showcases that
Speaker 2: you too can be a doctor. In whatever you know
Speaker 2: form that may be, whether it's dentistry, er surgeon, all
Speaker 2: that stuff. Mariah Hawk obviously created this show. Do you two,
Speaker 2: being the men behind, you know, the women who are
Speaker 2: the face of the show, do you feel like, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it was wrong for Marijah
Speaker 2: to get kicked off this show she created.
Speaker 5: I think Mariah did an amazing job putting this together
Speaker 5: in the beginning, like like I've made you know again,
Speaker 5: I was being being somebody who was there from the
Speaker 5: very very beginning, even before we got picked up with Pop.
Speaker 5: You know, we were in the first this is a
Speaker 5: real with the other company. I think she did a
Speaker 5: wonderful job. I think, if you want my honest opinion,
Speaker 5: some of the background stuff between her and production company,
Speaker 5: I think that got muddy. It wasn't her on Sene Persona.
Speaker 5: It wasn't her relationship with the girls either. In my opinion,
Speaker 5: I think Maria's not on our show because of some
Speaker 5: internal stuff with the people who did the production company
Speaker 5: with that produces our show, because it's not I don't
Speaker 5: like the narrative that I see on Twitter, where uh,
Speaker 5: the girls got rid of marian and the girls got
Speaker 5: rid of Quad, none of none of these ladies can
Speaker 5: get rid of anybody there there there are individuals they can't.
Speaker 1: Then now they can.
Speaker 5: They can ask you to leave a party, they can
Speaker 5: ask you to leave Napa from their trip. But they
Speaker 5: can't kick you off a show. Only you can kick
Speaker 5: you off a show, and only you and your relationship
Speaker 5: with the people who sign your check can't get rid
Speaker 5: of you.
Speaker 1: And so and just like you know shows that you.
Speaker 5: Put on, you know, uh, there's there's there's no two
Speaker 5: people on that you pay. They can get rid of
Speaker 5: another person that you pay, You can get rid of them,
Speaker 5: but they can't. And so I just I think the
Speaker 5: narrative that the ladies bound together.
Speaker 1: To exile you know her, like like she.
Speaker 5: Was Napoleon and now she's on the island. I don't
Speaker 5: it didn't work that way. It makes sense for or
Speaker 5: somebody who watches the show. I think because people that
Speaker 5: watched the show don't think that there's a production company.
Speaker 5: They think that's real. They think everything they see is like, well,
Speaker 5: they asked Quad to leave. That's why Quad ain't back.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like, well kuhy my name be backcause
Speaker 5: Quaid didn't show up.
Speaker 1: On time.
Speaker 5: You know, QUI my name be back, because when Cod
Speaker 5: shows up, she said, I'm only here for my check,
Speaker 5: not for y'all.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes that
Speaker 5: are going on that people don't see. So but but
Speaker 5: to go full circle, I think, I think Mariah put
Speaker 5: together an amazing ensemble.
Speaker 1: I think the idea to have people who really, really
Speaker 1: actually knew.
Speaker 5: Each other to do this this this this thing was
Speaker 5: amazing and that's why we've stayed on TV for ten
Speaker 5: years because we organically worked. And honestly, I think that's
Speaker 5: why Houston didn't work. That's why La didn't work, because
Speaker 5: you were trying to and picked these weird, random people
Speaker 5: that didn't know each other and didn't bring them together.
Speaker 5: We already knew each other, and so that's why when
Speaker 5: we get mad, we get real, real mad, you know.
Speaker 1: But when we get happy, we get real happy.
Speaker 5: And that's why the longevity has been the way it's
Speaker 5: been because it's very organic. So I do give Mariah
Speaker 5: all the credit for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Mariah's amazing.
Speaker 6: I mean we're not sitting here talking to you without Mariah.
Speaker 6: And not only that, I mean to look at five
Speaker 6: of the women, the main cast women were all brought
Speaker 6: in by her. These aren't people that were auditioned by
Speaker 6: the production company. These are her people. And to Eugene's point,
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 5: Technically Toya introduced Heavenly to Mariah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well yeah, but it's all still it all still
Speaker 6: comes to it still all comes through Mariah. And I
Speaker 6: truly believe if Mariah was involved with Houston in LA,
Speaker 6: it might have been different, because I think her eye
Speaker 6: for reality.
Speaker 3: TV is different. She's amazing, She's amazing.
Speaker 6: But to Eugenie's point, there were some things going on
Speaker 6: behind the scenes that we had a chance to witness
Speaker 6: that wasn't pretty.
Speaker 2: She said on my podcast that there were some intense
Speaker 2: conversations and moments, you know, she did say that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I said this show was married to Mariah because I
Speaker 2: felt like they were trying to erase history, that they
Speaker 2: were trying to ice me out. And I have to
Speaker 2: constantly fight as a black woman to be heard and
Speaker 2: to be seen and to be respected. Are those things
Speaker 2: that you guys have seen her fight to do and
Speaker 2: to be I mean.
Speaker 6: We saw those, but we also saw other stuff too,
Speaker 6: Like what cecil.
Speaker 5: I mean, well, can I I'm gonna try to say
Speaker 5: this as diplomatically as I can.
Speaker 1: I think some people just like to fight. Some people
Speaker 1: got a lot of fight in them.
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that there's somebody on the other side
Speaker 5: that's even wanting to fight.
Speaker 1: Well that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Well let me let me let me hold on, hold on,
Speaker 6: let me let me let me say this part about it.
Speaker 6: So the other side to this, I think is we
Speaker 6: were not involved when Mariah signed her deal with the
Speaker 6: production company, So we don't know what they agreed to
Speaker 6: from a executive producer standpoint, a money standpoint, rolling out
Speaker 6: on other shows.
Speaker 3: We don't know what happened with that. But what I can.
Speaker 6: Tell you is this based on how she reacted to
Speaker 6: the production company. Whatever deal she got wasn't one that
Speaker 6: she was pleased with. And so because she wasn't pleased
Speaker 6: with her deal, when the production folks were around, she
Speaker 6: would get in the ass, I mean, and we we
Speaker 6: would actually be filming a scene, that's what, and she
Speaker 6: might say something in the camera directly to the production
Speaker 6: company and we're filming. She know that sit getting cut out,
Speaker 6: but she might say something directly to the production company like.
Speaker 3: I mean, she was.
Speaker 6: Upset and again I don't know what her deal was.
Speaker 6: I don't know if they were nigged. She might have
Speaker 6: been well within her right to be upset. I don't know,
Speaker 6: but she was. She was hot and it came off.
Speaker 6: And so if I you know, I'm a business person.
Speaker 6: You know I worked at Cocola for twenty years, Corporate
Speaker 6: America for twenty five years. If I'm running a business
Speaker 6: and someone is working for me, is what I call
Speaker 6: being insubordinate, Probably gonna let them go.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I think technically.
Speaker 2: He said it in a very concise way for all
Speaker 2: of us to get a clear picture of it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. If you guys saw her on
Speaker 1: my podcast.
Speaker 2: She's in a beautiful place and she built the studio
Speaker 2: in MacDonough. And do you guys still keep in touch
Speaker 2: with Aiden or no?
Speaker 3: He cut us loose? I mean, and and I love Aiden.
Speaker 3: Aiden was a good guy. You know.
Speaker 6: Mariah, Mariah's family to us. I know she talked about
Speaker 6: it on your podcast. I mean her, her her aunt
Speaker 6: was our nanny, Simone delivered right right her her her son,
Speaker 6: and so I mean it was it was tough. I'm
Speaker 6: not gonna lie to you when Mariah wasn't on the show.
Speaker 3: It was hurtful. It was hurtful for me, and it
Speaker 3: was hurtful for someone.
Speaker 5: And and and I watched, I watched the podcast she
Speaker 5: did with Mariah and and I think she even alluded
Speaker 5: to it a little bit her last season. Toy and
Speaker 5: I were still in her corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, she loves Toya.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were still And to this day, I was like,
Speaker 5: I think she was wrong on a couple of things.
Speaker 5: I will always say that. And we were on her
Speaker 5: on her side that last season. But again it goes
Speaker 5: to what Cecil was saying, some of the stuff outside
Speaker 5: of the ladies, outside of all the couples. I think
Speaker 5: it's why she's not here. I just, I just I
Speaker 5: just don't like the narrative that we got rid of anybody,
Speaker 5: because that's not possible.
Speaker 1: We can't do that. I want to talk about you
Speaker 1: and Toya.
Speaker 2: Toya was on my podcast, and I love your wife,
Speaker 2: and she and I bo from Detroit, and we have
Speaker 2: this special bond. And I'm very honest with Toya. And
Speaker 2: I said to Toya, I was not happy when she
Speaker 2: would make comments about.
Speaker 1: You, which which woman we got all day.
Speaker 2: Hell listen side listen, you know how much I adore you.
Speaker 2: I was going through a family situation recently, and thank
Speaker 2: you to Toya. I reached out to her to get
Speaker 2: through you and you have been there for me for
Speaker 2: some very crucial months in my life. And I went
Speaker 2: the world to know that, from doctor Jackie to you,
Speaker 2: I will always be grateful for the love that you
Speaker 2: guys have shown me behind the scenes. And because of you,
Speaker 2: my situation has gotten better with the family member. So
Speaker 2: I wanted the world to know that I have a
Speaker 2: deep affection for you because you are You are a
Speaker 2: great man, and you are a great doctor. And when
Speaker 2: I when I spoke to Toya my podcast last year,
Speaker 2: and this is before my situation was happening with my
Speaker 2: family member, I said, I don't like the way you
Speaker 2: talked to him.
Speaker 1: I didn't like how she would make references to you
Speaker 1: having a small penis.
Speaker 5: She didn't though the ladies took okay, okay, no, nor
Speaker 5: go ahead one. She cleared it up on a recent
Speaker 5: podcast Okay she's We talked even the the day that
Speaker 5: this all came out. What she said and what the
Speaker 5: conversation was about was when you get married, it is
Speaker 5: what it is Okay. Now I know my wife and
Speaker 5: I know me. I bring up weird little references. I've
Speaker 5: done it today multiple times. We just say little stuff
Speaker 5: to get our point across. There's a little on the
Speaker 5: edge of where.
Speaker 1: We probably should now what she what?
Speaker 5: She was giving examples to the ladies, like, you get married,
Speaker 5: this ain't gonna get no different.
Speaker 1: If you be happy with what you got, because.
Speaker 5: It's not gonna get no no different, hopefully if his
Speaker 5: penis ain't gonna getting bigger. And I would say to
Speaker 5: say that her but ain't gonna get no bigger.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I watched no no, No, I watched the episode Toya
Speaker 2: sand Burbato. She said, she said, I thought when I
Speaker 2: got married, I thought that his penis would get bigger.
Speaker 1: That's not what she said. I saw it on the show.
Speaker 1: What did she got? What it back?
Speaker 5: She said, he said his penis not mine. She said
Speaker 5: his the it's not going to get any bigger. Yeah,
Speaker 5: she said his penis isn't his penis. No, she said,
Speaker 5: she said his penis isn't going to get any bigger.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 5: So be happy with whatever you got. Now here's the
Speaker 5: flip side.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Okay, now do you all think that.
Speaker 5: This person who claims on every green screen that I've
Speaker 5: ever done with her for the last ten years is
Speaker 5: the sexual demon.
Speaker 1: Do you think she would be with.
Speaker 5: Somebody who couldn't satisfy her? I don't think so. Toya's
Speaker 5: a very good looking woman.
Speaker 1: She is top three, the top one, of course.
Speaker 5: Okay, so so so toy is. I don't say if
Speaker 5: I couldn't do what I needed to do and was
Speaker 5: in adequate enough, yes, I don't think she'd still be.
Speaker 1: So you weren't offended by that comment when you first
Speaker 1: heard it, I didn't like.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't like the penis conversation because because I'm
Speaker 5: I'm truth be told, I'm an extra to introvert. I'm
Speaker 5: actually pretty. If you leave me alone, I could just
Speaker 5: sit and not talk to nobody. Yes, I can perform,
Speaker 5: but this ain't to me. By myself, is a pretty
Speaker 5: quiet person. So when I'm hearing that my penis is
Speaker 5: being talked about on on the reunion show, I'm not happy.
Speaker 5: You know, do I like business being thrown at me?
Speaker 1: I'm not happy? But do I know who I married? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Was there a conversation. We have a toy, but we
Speaker 1: talked about it.
Speaker 2: What about the conversations when it comes to she's not
Speaker 2: being satisfied in the sex department.
Speaker 5: Now, no, that's now, that's that's separate, and that that
Speaker 5: actually was a journey that I and I've been very
Speaker 5: vocal about that, Like, there was a point where I
Speaker 5: think I was getting a little bit depressed, and I
Speaker 5: started when the pandemic was going on, and.
Speaker 1: Toy talked about that.
Speaker 5: I thought it was all the pandemic, but even maybe
Speaker 5: a couple years before the pandemic hit, I was starting
Speaker 5: to get a little lazy at home, kind of to myself,
Speaker 5: not really my zest for life was kind of like down.
Speaker 5: And didn't know what it was until I went to
Speaker 5: the doctor. I was like, please check my testosterone level.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm, you know, mid forties. I was like,
Speaker 5: just check it, you know, And I think it's an
Speaker 5: important thing, I think just for men's health, you know,
Speaker 5: for us to talk about, like once a man gets
Speaker 5: to the point where they're like thirty five, sometimes your
Speaker 5: testosterone level starts to drop naturally and.
Speaker 1: You need replacement. Just like if you're a diabetic, if.
Speaker 5: You're insulin levels are down, you need to take some
Speaker 5: you know, you know, like it's a hormone and if
Speaker 5: it's down, you need to replace. My testosteronal level was
Speaker 5: like at the level of like a sixty five year
Speaker 5: old man. And so getting replaced like now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: I feel good again, my you know, like I can
Speaker 5: do stuff in the bedroom now. I'm losing weight now,
Speaker 5: you know. And so those are the things that like,
Speaker 5: even just doing it for myself. That's why I opened
Speaker 5: up like my clinic now, you know, Recharged Wellness, where
Speaker 5: I'm doing hormone replacement for people, doing weight loss for people,
Speaker 5: because I've lost fifty five pounds, like I feel amazing,
Speaker 5: But I get you know, like you know, marriages are
Speaker 5: up and down for all different kinds of reasons, whether
Speaker 5: it's you know, the stuff that Cecil talked about earlier,
Speaker 5: whether it's you know, somebody's got a hormone issue. There's
Speaker 5: gonna be these, you know, but you just got to
Speaker 5: figure out what the problem is and then fix it.
Speaker 1: Y'all fixed it. I was like, Okay, obviously there's something
Speaker 1: wrong with me. Let me go fix that, you know.
Speaker 5: So I don't I don't take offense that Toya was like, hey,
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm alone in this house, you know,
Speaker 5: And because that's her truth, and I had to man
Speaker 5: up and be like, Okay, yeah, you're right, you know,
Speaker 5: because I'm not as attentive, and now that I've gotten
Speaker 5: my stuff together, I'm a lot more attentive and I
Speaker 5: think a lot more engaged with all facets of the relationships.
Speaker 5: So I don't mind her saying that kind of stuff, because.
Speaker 2: You've revealed recent in a recent episode that the word
Speaker 2: divorce they come up.
Speaker 1: Why did that work come up during your marriage? Uh?
Speaker 5: We got there's a lot of ups and downs, you know, Like,
Speaker 5: like I think, for as much as we we, Toy
Speaker 5: and I are both fire science, we're both mouthy. We
Speaker 5: both think we're right all the time, and sometimes that clashes,
Speaker 5: you know. And then when you have like this a
Speaker 5: lot of external stuff, like the cheating stuff. Even though
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, you think the stuff bounces off you,
Speaker 5: but to a certain point, you know, it can affect
Speaker 5: you to the point where you're like, yeah, I know
Speaker 5: that's not true, but.
Speaker 1: Are we good? You know.
Speaker 5: And then when you're you're not spending as much time
Speaker 5: you got the rigmarole with the kids, you know, like
Speaker 5: you really got to re engage. And that's why this year,
Speaker 5: with like the dates that we've been doing, just kind
Speaker 5: of re engaging as a couple, I think was important.
Speaker 5: And honestly, I see on some own, just like we
Speaker 5: tried to help them, they they had an intervention with us.
Speaker 5: Uh oh yeah, this wasn't shown, but uh, you know,
Speaker 5: we got invited. We got invited to dinner when this
Speaker 5: was before this was in between seasons and nine.
Speaker 3: And yeah, between nine and ten.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well if we had a camera, boy.
Speaker 1: So you and Simone took it upon.
Speaker 5: You and saying some other mutual friends and some other
Speaker 5: friends got got.
Speaker 1: Me and Toya.
Speaker 3: We got invited.
Speaker 5: We got invited to dinner, dinner, and it was nice dinner.
Speaker 5: And then they took us in the basement and sat
Speaker 5: us down.
Speaker 1: It was like we went in, look you to.
Speaker 5: We went in because I because I was saying, you know,
Speaker 5: and you know, once you get to you know, if
Speaker 5: you have a day of being married where you're arguing,
Speaker 5: no big deal. But when you get to the point
Speaker 5: where you're arguing for a couple of weeks, you know,
Speaker 5: obviously Toya probably was talking to someone and I'm calling
Speaker 5: see like, no, you don't done this done that talking
Speaker 5: to me any kind of way, I bet that it's
Speaker 5: not gonna happen, you know, Like then you get to
Speaker 5: the point where like, okaylet's set y'all down before this
Speaker 5: gets any worse.
Speaker 6: So we love them together, right, I mean, they they
Speaker 6: get each other. They are in my opinion, they they
Speaker 6: feed off of each other. Where I think some of
Speaker 6: what makes Toya great is some of the challenges that
Speaker 6: Eugene will push her to. Some of the things that
Speaker 6: Eugene I think gets out of his probably his safe zone,
Speaker 6: is because Toya pushes him.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 6: And to see them between nine and ten going off
Speaker 6: in different directions, I was like, wait a minute, we
Speaker 6: can't have this, and so it was.
Speaker 3: It was a spirited conversation.
Speaker 5: Now I think I think the push pushing is is
Speaker 5: the right is the right word? You know, when you
Speaker 5: when when you when you think somebody is pushing you
Speaker 5: because you feel like they have good intentions, then you're okay.
Speaker 1: With the push.
Speaker 5: But when your focus is you know, the kids, work this,
Speaker 5: that and the other, then when you get pushed and
Speaker 5: you're not paying attention to why you got pushed, you
Speaker 5: feel like it's an attack and I think for a
Speaker 5: second we felt like we were being attacked by each
Speaker 5: other as opposed to being pushed because the other person
Speaker 5: loved us and was trying to make us better. So
Speaker 5: we were fussing about stuff that was like, well, you're
Speaker 5: not helping me, Well you're not helping me. It's like, well,
Speaker 5: we actually just if we just band together, we realized
Speaker 5: that we have the same goals. You're team, You're on
Speaker 5: the same team. We just need to refocus. So that's
Speaker 5: why I was like, after a certain point in marriage,
Speaker 5: I think you really have to re engage, especially once
Speaker 5: you once your kids get to be like that preteen
Speaker 5: age when they don't need you as much. You got
Speaker 5: to re engage back into almost like a dating, courting
Speaker 5: kind of thing because your focus so much was about
Speaker 5: keeping these kids okay. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: they're fine.
Speaker 1: They don't need you.
Speaker 5: You know, they wake up in the morning, go to school,
Speaker 5: they come home, they make their own food. They don't
Speaker 5: really need nothing except for some guidance on big issues.
Speaker 5: Now we're sitting in the house like looking at each other, like, okay, well,
Speaker 5: for the last five years I have new interests and
Speaker 5: she's got new interests and we're looking at each other
Speaker 5: like who are you?
Speaker 1: Who are you? You know?
Speaker 5: And so then when when the person tries to say,
Speaker 5: well you need to do X Y and Z was like,
Speaker 5: well you don't know me, you know who you to
Speaker 5: tell me?
Speaker 1: Like I you know.
Speaker 5: And the same thing with her, like I'm like I
Speaker 5: don't want to hear about tennis, you know, She's like,
Speaker 5: well I love tennis.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about it. You know.
Speaker 5: It's like like we were just talking two different languages,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: So you guys saw that and obviously, like you said,
Speaker 2: you were confiding him and she would confide in some
Speaker 2: own So you guys have this intervention with other couples
Speaker 2: to really save this marriage.
Speaker 6: The beauty of the del Carlos was this. When we
Speaker 6: were talking to Eugene, Toya was the one that was
Speaker 6: like protecting him. She was like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: you don't get it. When we were talking to Toya
Speaker 6: and Santoya, you can't do this, Eugene was the one
Speaker 6: Protectoya who runs. Once I saw that, I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: they good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But it's one of those like that's the beauty
Speaker 5: of having couples that knew that they've already been on
Speaker 5: that journey.
Speaker 1: They knew what we what.
Speaker 5: Was about to happen, So it was like, let's talk
Speaker 5: to y'all before it happens.
Speaker 1: You know. No, that's again. But that's why we love
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: We love the season poper Union when they rallied with
Speaker 2: you and Doctor Simone, and we love that we're able
Speaker 2: to hear that too, because look, I know you read
Speaker 2: things about your wife. People really are afraid that Toya
Speaker 2: is going to take you to the poorhouse?
Speaker 1: Is there any fear? And no, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: They feel like this poor even last night when I
Speaker 2: was on Live with Doctor Heavenly. People are obsessed with
Speaker 2: this dynamic because.
Speaker 1: They feel sorry for you. They think Toya is spending
Speaker 1: all your money.
Speaker 5: Toya makes more money than I do. Right now, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: go right for for over a year time, for the
Speaker 5: last several year, buch hair, just toyo.
Speaker 7: Love, She'll go look up, get in trouble, brobably, let
Speaker 7: the run ain't no love.
Speaker 1: Let the loves more money than you?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 5: So how am I? How am I going broke? When
Speaker 5: she's like for the last several years she's made more
Speaker 5: money than I.
Speaker 1: Do, Doctor Eugene Harris.
Speaker 5: It's okay, now I hold my own. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 5: Oh not at all.
Speaker 1: But it's just the show pays money. You know, the
Speaker 1: show pays Bree money, right, you know I know that.
Speaker 2: By I think the perception has been I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you and again I'm till you read this. They said
Speaker 2: Toya is living her best, soft life, great life.
Speaker 1: Toya wakes up.
Speaker 2: They said, Toya has the kids wake her up to say, Mama,
Speaker 2: take me to school, because Toya is in bed until
Speaker 2: twelve forty five until it's time to go to the
Speaker 2: one o'clock tennis match. And that this poor man is
Speaker 2: working around the clock to live up to Toya's standard.
Speaker 5: To clear again, let me clear up with several things. One,
Speaker 5: Toya makes a good amount of money. All the stuff
Speaker 5: Toy is buying right now.
Speaker 1: Toy paid for. Toy also pays for the boys tuition.
Speaker 5: Toy pays for all of our vacations.
Speaker 1: Toy pays for a lot of stuff in our house.
Speaker 3: Where you spilling it.
Speaker 5: Okay, got money right, Okay, So she's not broke and
Speaker 5: she's not gonna take me to the poorhouse.
Speaker 1: Okay, close your.
Speaker 5: Mouth, Carlos, It's okay, I implored.
Speaker 1: Are you using Toya bar O? Yes, I'm a capt man.
Speaker 3: That beyond that, the next.
Speaker 5: Part is whether we did this show or not, whether
Speaker 5: Toya had a million dollars a year or not, whether
Speaker 5: she was a billionaire or not. I like working. That's
Speaker 5: what I do, so it doesn't matter how much my
Speaker 5: woman makes. This is how much I want to work anyway.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm a workaholic.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I was texting patients before I got here. I worked
Speaker 1: in night.
Speaker 5: Shifts in the er, still like I'm doing. I'm a
Speaker 5: hospice director. Now I do a lot, you know, but
Speaker 5: I like doing it. That's what I.
Speaker 2: Do, and you're not doing it because again the perception
Speaker 2: when not doing it.
Speaker 5: To keep a lifestyle. I'm doing it because that's what
Speaker 5: I like to do. I liked being in the hospital working.
Speaker 5: I like seeing patients. I was, you know, liked some
Speaker 5: old story. I grew up in not that great of
Speaker 5: a neighborhood in south Southeast DC. My family moved to Maryland.
Speaker 5: My all I've ever said, well, I want to be astronaut.
Speaker 5: First I saw the challenge that blow up and I
Speaker 5: was like, no, forget that, you know. And after that,
Speaker 5: I was going to be a doctor and I wanted
Speaker 5: to do this my whole life.
Speaker 1: And that's it.
Speaker 5: That's the only thing I've ever said. Nobody's ever heard
Speaker 5: me say I wanted to do anything else, So why
Speaker 5: wouldn't I do it?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm really glad we had this because again,
Speaker 2: so when you see these, I mean, listen, I used
Speaker 2: to get mad.
Speaker 5: On Twitter and be like, yeah, be like they tell
Speaker 5: you know, get a job.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're watching her job, you know. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't fight the whole Twitter, you know. I was like,
Speaker 5: so I stopped, you know, do that. So but I mean,
Speaker 5: I like working just what I do. And Damon, I
Speaker 5: used to work with Damon in the er until you
Speaker 5: Damon will say to this day I was the happiest
Speaker 5: person he ever saw working in the YR because Damon
Speaker 5: hated it. And I would show up and I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: why are you so sad? Like this is amazing, Like
Speaker 5: don't you like doing this?
Speaker 1: This is great? You know?
Speaker 2: Doctor heavily said that you guys are renting your home
Speaker 2: and because she's a financial expert that has doctor university.
Speaker 2: She feels that you two are wasting your money. She said,
Speaker 2: y'all spend between ten and fifteen thousand dollars a month
Speaker 2: to rent a house when that money should be used
Speaker 2: in equity for a home.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's what I payon. She don't pay none of
Speaker 5: my bills. I really don't care what Heavinly has to say.
Speaker 3: I mean, but the same thing that I mean.
Speaker 6: The guy on Netflix, you Know, How to Live Your
Speaker 6: Rich Life, he has a show out there and he
Speaker 6: talks about Renting has a lot of different values to it.
Speaker 6: Number one, you don't have to worry about the maintenance
Speaker 6: and upkeep.
Speaker 3: If something goes wrong, you call your landlord. Renting gives you.
Speaker 6: The ability to be able to move if you need to.
Speaker 6: It also gives you the flexibility as long as you're saving.
Speaker 6: It gives you the flexibility to not necessarily time to market,
Speaker 6: but to buy when you're ready to buy. And so,
Speaker 6: I know in our community it's always about don't rent,
Speaker 6: don't rent, But the truth is, I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm a realtor now, and so in this market.
Speaker 3: A lot of people have to rent well and I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 6: I know that's not your situation, but there are people
Speaker 6: out here today's time they have to rent well.
Speaker 3: But it's not a negative.
Speaker 5: To clear up for the audience, I suppose during the
Speaker 5: ten seasons, I have owned two houses that you've seen
Speaker 5: me in, and I've been I've rented three houses, different scenarios.
Speaker 1: Why I was in all of them.
Speaker 5: When I moved to Atlanta, I was in the house
Speaker 5: in Southwest Atlanta. We got to the point where the
Speaker 5: neighborhood wasn't very safe. We were the only house on
Speaker 5: that street that did not get broken into. They had
Speaker 5: a car broken into, but the actual house did not
Speaker 5: get broken into it and Toya was like, I got
Speaker 5: these two kids, I'm moving whether you come or not.
Speaker 5: And that was like Oh. I was like, oh, we
Speaker 5: got to move. We moved somewhere that was I think
Speaker 5: a little above where we probably should have been. But
Speaker 5: the problem is was it affordable?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: But the bad part was we never really talked about
Speaker 5: this on the show. I was an assistant director at
Speaker 5: my emergency department at that time. When we moved into
Speaker 5: that big, big house with the hill, I lost that year,
Speaker 5: about one hundred and fifty thousand in revenue that year.
Speaker 5: Because that my company got rid of the assistant directorship.
Speaker 5: So I lost a bunch of money. So I'm in
Speaker 5: the house like, oh shit, what am I going to do?
Speaker 5: You know, That's when I had my tax problems, you know,
Speaker 5: like all this stuff's got a reason for it.
Speaker 1: We moved into a house.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, if I had that one hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty thousand, I'm Gucci, you know. But I moved
Speaker 5: into it. I'm already signed the paper, We're already in it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: We got an issue and so but we were very
Speaker 5: open and honest, like, hey, let's talk about budget, let's
Speaker 5: talk about this, let's talk about that, let's talk about
Speaker 5: how we need to move. I think we were a
Speaker 5: good example of what you do when you're in a
Speaker 5: financial issue for a lot of people. Moved to a
Speaker 5: smaller place, moved to a smaller place. We got our
Speaker 5: money together. We bought a house. Now the house we
Speaker 5: bought common piece of trash, if I must say so.
Speaker 5: It looked great on the surface. Everybody, everybody story closet,
Speaker 5: the two story closet was a wonderful house. There was
Speaker 5: a lot of issues that did not we didn't want
Speaker 5: to put out on a show they didn't have time
Speaker 5: to put you know, like you've heard some stuff house
Speaker 5: And the market was such that we sold it for
Speaker 5: about eight hundred thousand more than we paid for so
Speaker 5: we made a profit. I made a profit, all right.
Speaker 5: So now I'm renting until I find what I want.
Speaker 1: I think that's okay.
Speaker 5: And unless it Heavenly wants to pay some of my bills,
Speaker 5: she can just keep her opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't really care. Her opinion is just that.
Speaker 2: Look, I appreciate you guys coming through because again you don't,
Speaker 2: unfortunately get an opportunity to express yourselves.
Speaker 1: And YouTube, out of all the guys on the.
Speaker 2: Show, make the biggest impact when it comes to this show.
Speaker 2: So to have the opportunity to talk to YouTube has
Speaker 2: been great. This has been a great season. It's been
Speaker 2: a phenomenal seasoned it is on the show.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think she should stay on the show.
Speaker 1: I'll go back to the housewive.
Speaker 5: Now here's one little nugget, the only nugget I'll give
Speaker 5: for the reunion. And actually I don't think I don't
Speaker 5: know if a camera was up when I said this
Speaker 5: the pha I like Fadri for the show. But I
Speaker 5: did tell Phaedri I gave her some grace this year
Speaker 5: because because I gave Quad a.
Speaker 1: Lot of flat for being.
Speaker 5: On the show, because I again going back to what
Speaker 5: we what I loved about the show earlier was that
Speaker 5: we were all married ensemble. I loved that for us,
Speaker 5: and I wanted to keep that Moniker, and so I
Speaker 5: did give Quad some flat back in the day, I
Speaker 5: gave faed With some grace that I never brought it
Speaker 5: up this year. I said for next year, we gotta
Speaker 5: find you a man, and she said, okay.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: This was after the reunion was done. We were walking out.
Speaker 5: I was like, we gotta find you a man. If
Speaker 5: you're staying, do you think she should say I like
Speaker 5: her for the show.
Speaker 6: Okay, she's super funny. She's super funny. She is She's
Speaker 6: made for TV.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But.
Speaker 6: I kept waiting for the boyfriend. I kept waiting for
Speaker 6: the boyfriend. That's kind of how our show works. So
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, when is the boyfriend coming around? When
Speaker 6: he didn't come around the first couple of weeks, okay,
Speaker 6: I get it. But then when I realized he wasn't
Speaker 6: coming around. It definitely changes the dynamic of our show.
Speaker 6: And Eugenia and I talk about this all the time.
Speaker 6: Is that from my perspective as a guy, you know,
Speaker 6: and the guys that I talked to, that I meet
Speaker 6: in the gym, I meet at Costco, the guys that
Speaker 6: watched the show with their wives and their girlfriends, they
Speaker 6: watch it because they love to see the dynamic of
Speaker 6: the couples. They love to see how you are dealing
Speaker 6: with your situation. And I think that this year with
Speaker 6: Phaedra and then also Quad, and you know in Quad
Speaker 6: is real private when it comes to her relationship, So
Speaker 6: she never brings a guy around on the show, so
Speaker 6: we don't get to meet anybody that she's dating.
Speaker 3: She's dating, she is dating, She's all. I mean, it's Quad,
Speaker 3: So you know she's dating.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean.
Speaker 3: It's Quad.
Speaker 6: You know she's dating, right, I mean she is such
Speaker 6: a charismatic type that's here in Atlanta. Everybody loves her,
Speaker 6: So I know she's dating. Fadra's dating too, I'm sure,
Speaker 6: But the thing is they're not allowing that to happen
Speaker 6: on our show. And for me, as much as I
Speaker 6: love Faedra, I feel like, if she's gonna come back,
Speaker 6: we need to see who she's dating. We need to
Speaker 6: bring him into the group. We got to bring him
Speaker 6: the Cigar City Club. He got a hand out with us.
Speaker 6: We got to see what he's talking about. Same thing
Speaker 6: with Kauahid and Quad will tell you I've been telling
Speaker 6: her from the beginning, like, hey, I know you don't
Speaker 6: want to show your guy, but we got to meet him.
Speaker 6: I mean, your big brother has to meet you guys,
Speaker 6: and they you gotta let him know on.
Speaker 3: The front end. They gotta come on the show and
Speaker 3: we got to talk.
Speaker 1: And what does she say to that, She'd be.
Speaker 3: Like, they're not coming, She's not doing it.
Speaker 2: But I appreciate you two coming because again, this has
Speaker 2: been a great conversation and I'm happy to report, well,
Speaker 2: you guys can report back to your wives that this
Speaker 2: was a great conversation, beautiful conversation, but.
Speaker 1: Also much need a conversation.
Speaker 2: And also no, seriously, I am so happy you cleared
Speaker 2: the air about this perception when it comes to Toya, because.
Speaker 1: I literally and I know her.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that I spend money too.
Speaker 1: It's just no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: But I love the fact that we get to stop
Speaker 2: perpetuating this stereotype that Toya is a kept woman who
Speaker 2: spend your money and people are afraid like this poor
Speaker 2: man is about to go to the poorhouse to buy
Speaker 2: her chanel back. But I also love the fact that
Speaker 2: you are able to really speak so candidly about the
Speaker 2: struggles you face with doctor Simone and the Tammy situation
Speaker 2: and how that did affect you. Because again, a lot
Speaker 2: of men watch your show. I have a show loving
Speaker 2: marriage franchise.
Speaker 1: I'm like you the gym.
Speaker 2: I don't go to Costcos, but I do go to Target,
Speaker 2: and every once in a while if a man is
Speaker 2: in Target, because they usually aren't, you know, they do
Speaker 2: stop me and say, like, yo, I watch your stuff
Speaker 2: with my wife because my wife put me on this show.
Speaker 2: And I like the men's perspective, and I appreciate y'all perspective,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: But coming on reality for the King and we got
Speaker 1: to do this again.
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