Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we enjoyed Nadalcatraz while it
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Speaker 1: by Bo Wolf of p h l Y, a tennis
Speaker 1: player like myself. He embarrassed me at the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. A lot coming up on
Speaker 1: today's show. We got some news. We're gonna add to
Speaker 1: do some Eagles talk, little deep dive, and then we'll
Speaker 1: play a game, Bo where I ask you how concerned
Speaker 1: you are about various factors of the NFC East. Welcome
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Speaker 3: It's very hard. It's hard, I think. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: blame me. You worked on it, you work shopped it.
Speaker 3: I would say. Once a teammate, always a team.
Speaker 2: But it's nice to feel like even more of a
Speaker 2: teammate of of Jordan Rodrigue again.
Speaker 3: So I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love having Jordan Una. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: mentioned her. She will be out at Rams Camp. We'll
Speaker 1: tape there on Thursday, but we're gonna do news, you know,
Speaker 1: rest of the league stuff other than just RAM stuff.
Speaker 3: But she'll be there to help us out there.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I apologize if I'm distracted today. Apologize to
Speaker 1: you bo, Apologize to Randy who's producing the show, the listeners,
Speaker 1: because my tortoise is missing right now.
Speaker 3: Your tortoise is missing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I let I let her out in the backyard
Speaker 1: and as I do sometimes usually pretty you know, get
Speaker 1: her some exercise, have some have some fun. Norri it's
Speaker 1: her name, as Randy knows. And yeah, I couldn't find her.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find her, and it was time to do
Speaker 1: a show. And you know that's how much I value
Speaker 1: NFL daily that we're here, we're taping. Who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: my my tortoise is out on the streets selling her
Speaker 1: body for money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean it's got to be a slow getaway,
Speaker 2: right you're and have some time to catch up there.
Speaker 1: There is no real escape. So that's why I feel
Speaker 1: pretty safe, and I felt comfortable. You know, she likes
Speaker 1: to Maybe she dug a hole somewhere that I can't
Speaker 1: find Usually, I know where all of her hiding spots are,
Speaker 1: so I will be thinking about that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, if.
Speaker 1: If if I seem a little distracted, she's you know,
Speaker 1: she's one of the loves of my life.
Speaker 3: Nori.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like I consume a lot of Greg
Speaker 2: Rosenthal content and I didn't even know that there was
Speaker 2: a tortoise here, So this is this is news to me.
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope I see her him or her.
Speaker 2: I guess, yes, poking around in the in the background,
Speaker 2: and I can let you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be funny if she she opens the
Speaker 1: door to the garage and just climbs up them.
Speaker 3: It'll be better if she appeared on my end, an
Speaker 3: amazing trick. Let's do some news. Let's get going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I keep this show shorter than usual, that's
Speaker 1: why I gotta get out there and save my girl.
Speaker 1: Not a ton of news today, But DJ Moore signed
Speaker 1: a four year, one hundred and ten million dollar contract
Speaker 1: eighty two zero point five million guaranteed.
Speaker 3: On that deal, he.
Speaker 1: Already had a couple of years left on his old deal,
Speaker 1: so that they were getting work done early.
Speaker 3: The Bears just keep making smart moves.
Speaker 1: I don't kind of know how to deal with this
Speaker 1: world bo Wolf where the Bear seem like they're a
Speaker 1: well run organization.
Speaker 3: Suddenly, Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: And all the talk of like Caleb Williams entering the
Speaker 2: league with as good a situation as you could expect
Speaker 2: for a number one quarterback, I think is fair. It
Speaker 2: also makes sense from a like a planning standpoint. You've
Speaker 2: got a dunze on the rookie contract, Keenan Allen's not
Speaker 2: going to be there forever, so you get Dj Moore
Speaker 2: locked up. I was also just thinking about Dj Moore
Speaker 2: and like the impressive run he's had four thousand yardra
Speaker 2: seasons in six years with like the most missmash group
Speaker 2: of quarterbacks you could imagine, like the six quarterbacks He's
Speaker 2: had six different guys. You've got an end career Cam Newton,
Speaker 2: right steep decline Cam Newton. Then it goes Kyle Allen,
Speaker 2: Ye Boy, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold, Baker, Mayfield justin fields
Speaker 2: like to overcome that group of six quarterbacks and be
Speaker 2: as productive as he has been, Like Caleb Williams is
Speaker 2: in a good situation now, DJ Moore is in a
Speaker 2: good situation with a real quarterback.
Speaker 1: Right, and who knows, maybe the numbers won't even go up.
Speaker 1: He was ninety six for one, three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: four yards less and eight touchdowns. He said he immediately
Speaker 1: was talking to the front office and people around the
Speaker 1: building to get Keenan Allen signed up too long term.
Speaker 1: I think they want to wait and see you with
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen. Not that they wouldn't trust it, but one
Speaker 1: year left. You can only pay everyone so much. And
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's twenty seven million
Speaker 1: dollars in new money average, but if you spread it out,
Speaker 1: it's it's quite a bargain. It's something like twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. I now value contracts of did they
Speaker 1: make more money than Isaiah Hartenstein in the NBA because
Speaker 1: people are always like, wow, like this money's crazy, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, actually it's less than Isaiah Hartenstein. Like
Speaker 1: Jordan Love signed the same contract as Ognnnobi. You know,
Speaker 1: if you could play basketball, I would suggest do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's it. I think that's good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: DJ Moore young too, so it seems like a good investment.
Speaker 1: Yes, Sneaky Young somehow only twenty seven years old for
Speaker 1: all the production that he's had. Let's go to New
Speaker 1: England where they signed Devon Gotcha to a new contract,
Speaker 1: while Matthew Judon, who've talked about a little bit on
Speaker 1: this show, is staying away from the Patriots. And there
Speaker 1: was a report from the Athletic that they had offered
Speaker 1: him a new deal, and he immediately went on Twitter
Speaker 1: and said, they have not offered me a new deal.
Speaker 3: They're trying to make me look bad.
Speaker 1: And then another report came out from the same reporters,
Speaker 1: Diana Rossini, who said, well, they actually offered him something
Speaker 1: before camp and everything. So a lot of drama going
Speaker 1: on there in New England. It's different. But the drama
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear from you about is about the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: because apparently, ever since I got excited about Drake May
Speaker 1: on the first couple of days of non padded practice,
Speaker 1: he has not played very well. Jacoby Brissett getting more
Speaker 1: and more of the first team reps and just the
Speaker 1: fact that Drake May has not played well generally is
Speaker 1: the notion ben Volan and I think he's trying to
Speaker 1: get some engagement here. I don't mind taking shots at reporters.
Speaker 1: He said, Joe Milton's looked more consistent and better at campus,
Speaker 1: like Joe Milton's playing with the fourth stringers come on.
Speaker 1: But all reports do indicate that May has been quite
Speaker 1: erratic and there might be a little bit of a gap.
Speaker 3: Here between Jacoby Brissett and Drake May.
Speaker 2: I was talking about this on our show with Zach
Speaker 2: Berman today about I think sometimes we lose context of
Speaker 2: the difficulty of the backup quarterback position in training camp
Speaker 2: because if you think about it, like most defenses play
Speaker 2: with rotations, right, So the second team defensive line are
Speaker 2: guys who get on the field. The second team secondary
Speaker 2: are guys who get on the field. The second team
Speaker 2: offensive line is usually guys who are not that good.
Speaker 2: The second team wide receiver options are guys who are
Speaker 2: not that good. So the deck is usually stacked against
Speaker 2: the second team quarterback. I think it's a thing to
Speaker 2: keep in mind. But Drake made doesn't look good. He
Speaker 2: doesn't look good. I'm excited the Eagles have a joint
Speaker 2: practice against them next week, so I'll get eyes on
Speaker 2: him for.
Speaker 1: You answer early, some really good young quarterbacks have struggled
Speaker 1: early in training camp and then had great rookie seasons.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's a million that have struggled early in training
Speaker 1: camp and had great careers. But even sometimes you see
Speaker 1: him bounce back later in camp. But yeah, I listened
Speaker 1: to Tom Curran, who's great in Phil Perry and they
Speaker 1: just said just just not consistently accurate, tough, you know,
Speaker 1: just taken a while for him to make his decisions.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we could be looking at Jacoby Versett. I'm not.
Speaker 3: I won't. I won't hate that. I like Jacoby well.
Speaker 2: Plus you got Devon Gonshaw locked up long term, so
Speaker 2: all things are all things are looking up.
Speaker 1: I don't know how Devon Gotcha's got so many contracts
Speaker 1: and he was upset about his deal, wanted it closer,
Speaker 1: and then he had he kept practicing, and so I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's how the reason, how he decided
Speaker 1: to handle this or just his situation. Drew Rosenhouse showed
Speaker 1: up to practice, and Drew Rosenhows always gets deals done.
Speaker 3: He's more of a run stopper.
Speaker 1: Matthew Judon is is a little older and is probably
Speaker 1: trying to get money into the future. Is my guest,
Speaker 1: and he's thirty two years old, and they don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with it.
Speaker 2: I like the idea that it's like a spike contract
Speaker 2: they're giving out, Like, well, let's send a message to
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon that if he practices, he's going to get
Speaker 2: a contract. So let's just give Devon gotcha a tiny
Speaker 2: little raise, just as a shot across Judon's bow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have mentioned, Yeah, you have a daily
Speaker 1: Eagles podcast, which is a Mutz listen for Eagles fans
Speaker 1: or for just fans of the league.
Speaker 3: The banter is so hardcore.
Speaker 1: You should feel guilty Bo for having the best straight
Speaker 1: man in the business. You're a funny guy, and Zach
Speaker 1: is just like a perfect straight man because he either
Speaker 1: doesn't get the jokes or he's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's perfect.
Speaker 2: Nobody works harder than Zach. He's a wonderful partner. And
Speaker 2: we welcome you to the daily podcasting world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot, a lot of planning. Sole a
Speaker 1: couple more stories. The Dolphins. I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: just that. There's been a collection of stories, and I
Speaker 1: heard from our friend Handsome Hank Henry Hodgson who was
Speaker 1: surprised the Dolphins didn't get mentioned in our segment we
Speaker 1: did on teams we haven't talked about. I do want
Speaker 1: to get to the football of it all, because this
Speaker 1: is a very interesting team, but it's it's more of
Speaker 1: the off field stuff that I want to mention in
Speaker 1: today's news. Just a collection of stories I've noticed, and
Speaker 1: like one after another, I was like, okay, this is
Speaker 1: too much. Number One, there was that Jordan Poyer quote.
Speaker 1: He's a safety on the Dolphins now, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about when he was with the Bills and he
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, when we played against this team
Speaker 1: in the past few years, you get a sense that, like,
Speaker 1: this team's gonna fold if you get ahead of them.
Speaker 1: This was kind of a soft team. So I came
Speaker 1: here to change that. It's like, okay, that's your safety.
Speaker 1: First of all, there was a lot of great back
Speaker 1: and forth Dolphins Bills game, including a playoff game where
Speaker 1: Skyler Thompson almost beat the Bills and a game in
Speaker 1: the snow where it was like a classic. So I
Speaker 1: pushed back on the accuracy of that. But it's funny
Speaker 1: that he's telling his teammates that they always would fold.
Speaker 3: Then at Tuesday's prand also, I'm the guy who's going
Speaker 3: to fix that for you like Bills.
Speaker 1: Fans will tell you that Jordan Poyer is not coming
Speaker 1: off great year, and I know he got top hundred
Speaker 1: ranking and a lot of people kind of raise their
Speaker 1: eyebrows at that. The top one hundred players, the players
Speaker 1: are always a couple of years behind what's going on
Speaker 1: on the field. Then yesterday Tyreek Hill said that this
Speaker 1: fight that they had at practice, which was significant, said
Speaker 1: the fight was amazing, that we need that teams I've
Speaker 1: been on and that have won. They fought that they
Speaker 1: haven't had enough fighting in Miami. And then Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: at the end of practice had this conversation talking to
Speaker 1: the whole team say again, kind of encouraging them, saying
Speaker 1: it was good, saying they need to be the bullies,
Speaker 1: and all this talk about like we need something about
Speaker 1: that worries me. I have another one, but I want
Speaker 1: you to get in here.
Speaker 3: Like something about that.
Speaker 1: If you're coming into camp in your main messages, the
Speaker 1: thing that's going to get us over the top is
Speaker 1: we got to talk about that we're tough guys.
Speaker 3: Now, I feel like that's a bad sign.
Speaker 2: Well, I also have to say, without getting too into it,
Speaker 2: that the idea of Tyreek Hill of all people. Saying
Speaker 2: that like relationship chips depend on fighting is a little
Speaker 2: bit awkward to hear.
Speaker 3: That is fair.
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel also mentioned coming into training camp that the
Speaker 1: focus for him and didn't want to forget the big
Speaker 1: picture is that this organization has not won a playoff
Speaker 1: game in twenty four years, which is wild. That's that's insane,
Speaker 1: And you know they've only made it twice with McDaniel.
Speaker 1: The first year was a great season by them to
Speaker 1: even make the playoffs. So I do not give them
Speaker 1: any penalty for losing that game. Last year they lost
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. But he changed the clock, or not
Speaker 1: the clocks, but he changed the meeting times throughout the
Speaker 1: offseason to be at seven to twenty four am or
Speaker 1: three twenty four am or five twenty four pm or
Speaker 1: whatever it's going to be to remind him how it's
Speaker 1: been twenty four years and somehow when I add up
Speaker 1: all these stories, I feel like this is a team
Speaker 1: that's in their own head a little bit.
Speaker 3: I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think Mike McDaniel's a smart guy. I'm
Speaker 2: sure he knows and has thought a lot more about
Speaker 2: this messaging than I have. But yeah, like the leaning
Speaker 2: into oh man, we have really sucked for a long
Speaker 2: time is always a bit of a bit of a
Speaker 2: red flag for me. So you know, I hope it
Speaker 2: works out for them. It certainly seems like this is
Speaker 2: a team with a lot of pressure on them to
Speaker 2: get over that hump, right. That's yeah, like this group,
Speaker 2: this core, like that their best players are not going
Speaker 2: to last forever, right, and how many chances are they
Speaker 2: going to have?
Speaker 3: It's it is.
Speaker 2: It does seem like a team that is very much
Speaker 2: well like in its own way, a little.
Speaker 1: Bit right in its own head. I have a theory
Speaker 1: it applies to the forty nine ers. It would have
Speaker 1: applied to the Celtics if they had lost the NBA Finals. Again,
Speaker 1: I thought that was why I was so important they
Speaker 1: got this one was. I think the worst thing you
Speaker 1: can be in sports is the team that has all
Speaker 1: the bad things that coming along with winning the championship,
Speaker 1: like that you had a championship or else, or it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good all this pressure, the disease of more,
Speaker 1: everyone wanting more money, all of this stuff happening, but
Speaker 1: you didn't actually win anything, Like Yeah, at least you
Speaker 1: need to have won it, to have to go through that,
Speaker 1: and so if you get keep getting close and close.
Speaker 1: And the Dolphins are like the worst version of that,
Speaker 1: which is they haven't even won a playoff game. But
Speaker 1: I still feel like they're in their own head and
Speaker 1: they are having some of the issues that people that
Speaker 1: the teams that come up just short have and yet
Speaker 1: you know they're they're kind of like a borderline playoff team.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also funny because the Jordan Poyer of it all,
Speaker 2: like it seems like very similar to what they were
Speaker 2: dealing with with the Bills, right, Like the Dolphins were
Speaker 2: looking in the division and like, oh, we need a
Speaker 2: little bit of that all or nothing anxiety and h
Speaker 2: and Jordan Poyer has brought it.
Speaker 1: Okay, some quick injury news just before we take a
Speaker 1: break and then talk some Eagles. Nick Bolton and Kadarius
Speaker 1: Tony got injured at Chiefs practice on Wednesday. The Bolton
Speaker 1: was an elbow injury. Tony was an ankle injury. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Kardarius Tony makes this team. I know
Speaker 1: he had that moment against your Eagles where he broke
Speaker 1: my heart. I don't know if he broke your heart.
Speaker 1: Do you have to pretend like you don't care if
Speaker 1: the Eagles win the Supernut Bowlers.
Speaker 2: There's attending at all. I'm a objective as it gets.
Speaker 2: Although I will say that year we would have at
Speaker 2: least had a like the Athletic was going to put
Speaker 2: out a like a commemorative issue of our articles, So
Speaker 2: that was the one thing. And also Zach I think
Speaker 2: maybe had a book deal in place, so that was
Speaker 2: he might have been rooting harder than I was.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, I have to I don't try to
Speaker 1: pretend either. I was rooting hard for that Eagles team.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed them. But I don't know if Tony
Speaker 1: makes that team. It didn't sound great with Bolton, but
Speaker 1: with all these injuries, we have to wait and find out.
Speaker 1: But he's obviously very important for them. We were at
Speaker 1: Chargers practice earlier this week Junior Colson, who they think
Speaker 1: might start as a rookie at middle linebacker off the
Speaker 1: NFI list. I mentioned Roman Wilson, the receiver for the Steelers,
Speaker 1: still had an ankle injury. It's week to week, so
Speaker 1: maybe not quite as bad as they feared, but also
Speaker 1: not great. And then yeah, a reserve tackle the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Quinn Bailey fractured his ankles and had to be taken
Speaker 1: to the hospital today, which is a tough scene.
Speaker 3: So hopefully he gets better.
Speaker 1: But we're going to take a quick break while I
Speaker 1: actually leave you, and through the magic of pod casting,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find that that damn tortoise. No, no,
Speaker 1: how did how did Randy make a graphic already? That's
Speaker 1: next level? That is actually Norri. I recognize her. We'll
Speaker 1: be back after this, back on NFL Daily. Didn't find her?
Speaker 1: Uh throw that graphic up again. Randy gets Producer of
Speaker 1: the Day award for finding a picture of Norri apparently
Speaker 1: on my other podcast jr VP reddit board. I miss you, girl.
Speaker 3: Oh we'll find it.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Eagles. We want a
Speaker 1: deep dive. We're making a big board bow of all
Speaker 1: the teams. We're gonna deep dive throughout the preseason and
Speaker 1: into the season. Eagles one of the first teams I
Speaker 1: wanted to hit. And no better person to talk to
Speaker 1: you than you, including Zach Berman, who you host, to
Speaker 1: show it. You know, I made a choice. I think
Speaker 1: I think you're a better choice. And let's start with
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. Let's let's be obvious. You like on your
Speaker 1: show to talk about like the third string pass rushers audience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is right, okay, And yeah, Zach likes to talk
Speaker 1: about the big names, and you know, I'm a basic
Speaker 1: and you're right, this is this is for the national audience.
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Hurts is one of the most fascinating
Speaker 1: players in the league this year because he went from
Speaker 1: one of the best Super Bowl performances of all time
Speaker 1: in my mind, yeah, and getting MVP votes to this
Speaker 1: offseason being about QB thirteen or fourteen in most people's minds,
Speaker 1: like that that ESPN thing where they talk to the
Speaker 1: executives QB thirteen went to Stephen Ruiz on ESPN QB
Speaker 1: thirteen and it's like everyone thought Jalen Hurts is one
Speaker 1: season was this fairy tale, but that there are evaluations
Speaker 1: of him coming into the draft were kind of bogus
Speaker 1: and now they've proven him right. That annoys me, But
Speaker 1: it's a new offense. I've heard that he's looking pretty
Speaker 1: good at training. King give me, give me the state
Speaker 1: of Jalen Hurts right now.
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing you forgot is the big long
Speaker 2: off season conversation of the relationship with Nick Sirianni and
Speaker 2: the like passive aggressive talking past each other that happened
Speaker 2: in a couple of their their.
Speaker 3: Press seems like a real thing. I don't think it
Speaker 3: was a media creation.
Speaker 2: No, and there are you know, like every now and
Speaker 2: then there will be a little correction sent to the
Speaker 2: reporters because Jalen Hurts, for instance, is talking about the
Speaker 2: players that he threw within the off season and forgot
Speaker 2: one guy. He doesn't want to leave anybody out. But
Speaker 2: when he says the ninety five percent of the offense
Speaker 2: is new and you know, doesn't necessarily take up any
Speaker 2: of the sort of softball question opportunities to defend Nick Sirianni,
Speaker 2: there are no such corrections made. I think those things
Speaker 2: are notable. But listen, like the quarterback and the head
Speaker 2: coach don't have to be best friends for them to
Speaker 2: be successful. You know, look a look at New England, right.
Speaker 2: I think the Jalen Hurts what is so difficult when
Speaker 2: you are evaluating him is disentangling all the variables. Right,
Speaker 2: Like he had that unbelievable season in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl, he was amazing, but he also had
Speaker 2: maybe the best weapons in the league and the best
Speaker 2: offensive line in the league, and it was the first
Speaker 2: time in the past like eight years of his career
Speaker 2: when he had the same play caller for the second
Speaker 2: season in a row. All of those things coalesced and
Speaker 2: he looked awesome last year. You know, new play caller
Speaker 2: and the offense gave him no answers, right, And it's
Speaker 2: very clear in what the Eagles did this offseason and
Speaker 2: sort of taking the offensive play calling and structure away
Speaker 2: from Nick Sirianni, that they viewed that as probably the
Speaker 2: main problem. You know, they did not provide him a
Speaker 2: ton of answers against the Blitz. You know, there was
Speaker 2: no They were the thirty second in the league in motion,
Speaker 2: They were dead last in a lot of these sort
Speaker 2: of structural categories. But there are also things that Jalen
Speaker 2: hurts himself needs to do better, and I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be interesting to see in the Kellen Moore offense.
Speaker 2: He has looked good the first week of camp, which
Speaker 2: comes after he didn't look so great in the spring.
Speaker 2: The ball was not coming out super on time. It
Speaker 2: looked like there were a lot of moving parts in
Speaker 2: terms of him learning the offense.
Speaker 1: The problem with a daily podcast though, Like you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming you, but it's tough to it's tough
Speaker 1: to get take too much away from oth's in mini camps.
Speaker 1: I fall I fall into that trap too, But saying
Speaker 1: anyone was good or bad in OTA's mini camps is tricky.
Speaker 2: No, but it's contextual in that when he came back
Speaker 2: for like the first week of camp, things did look different.
Speaker 2: The ball was coming out on time, He looked better.
Speaker 2: He has looked very good. The other thing from last
Speaker 2: year that we haven't even we haven't talked about yet is,
Speaker 2: you know, his his running superpower was not as much
Speaker 2: of a part of the offense. You know, there was
Speaker 2: there's the tush push, yeah, but he was not as
Speaker 2: dynamic in the open field. There were a lot of
Speaker 2: times when he would just sort of scramble around and
Speaker 2: then just throw the ball away, which he did not
Speaker 2: do in twenty twenty two. He has looked sprier this year.
Speaker 2: The Eagles are also seem to be incorporating, like day
Speaker 2: one stuff quarterback run as part of the offense. So
Speaker 2: it seems like that's going to be in the offense,
Speaker 2: and I think it has to be. That's what makes
Speaker 2: Jillen Hurts as good as he was in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: That it changes the math on offense, it changes everything
Speaker 2: that they have around him. So there's no doubt that
Speaker 2: like Jalen Hurts is the most important person in the
Speaker 2: organization as to their success this year. So far, so good,
Speaker 2: but we will see how it goes.
Speaker 1: That is big news if they follow through with that
Speaker 1: in terms of his running, and yeah, he wasn't healthy
Speaker 1: one hundred percent last year and I've seen how high
Speaker 1: he's getting taken in fantasy leagues. They're not worried about
Speaker 1: the Jalen Hurds type. Like he's still going third fourth
Speaker 1: round like as a third quarterback, and he needs to
Speaker 1: run to make that worth it. But he's still got
Speaker 1: maybe the best collection of scale players. The offensive line
Speaker 1: has taken a couple hits, but you would still assume
Speaker 1: that it's an asset versus you know, average or anywhere
Speaker 1: below that. I would assume that. And if you've got age,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got a j. Brown, Goddard, DeVonta
Speaker 1: Smith and Saquin Barkley on the same team, that almost
Speaker 1: there isn't a team out there I don't think that
Speaker 1: can quite match that or it's going to be close.
Speaker 1: And it makes me happy because I do not want
Speaker 1: the Carson Wentz thing to happen, because because it is
Speaker 1: kind of crazy how they really are reliving, I mean,
Speaker 1: with slight variations, the whole you know, tracking of what
Speaker 1: happened after they won their first Super Bowl the next
Speaker 1: year similar ish ish. I mean, they actually look pretty
Speaker 1: good in the playoffs that year and could could have
Speaker 1: gone further that the year they were defending the title.
Speaker 1: But they give once the big contract and it's just
Speaker 1: like the slow little decline and they never quite quite respond.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I hope yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean you would have to think if it goes
Speaker 2: that way, which you know it probably won't. But then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, like what is it about the
Speaker 2: organizational structure that that allows that to happen? If it
Speaker 2: happens twice, you know, it's maybe it's not on him,
Speaker 2: it's on us.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to get to that. Maybe it's on
Speaker 1: the fans. I blame the Philly fans for a lot.
Speaker 1: The front office dynamic is weird. Howie Roseman has obviously
Speaker 1: done a really good job on balance and the talents obvious,
Speaker 1: but when they're out publicly saying more or less that
Speaker 1: he chose the coaches, that's weird.
Speaker 3: That's a little weird to me.
Speaker 1: And he I noticed what he was saying, how they're
Speaker 1: hoping to play young players this year more often, which
Speaker 1: are you know, how he's players and so it's a
Speaker 1: weird And Vic Fangio as the coach, who's not a
Speaker 1: guy who necessarily plays young players, So that dynamic to
Speaker 1: me is strange that Nick Sirianni is there, but the
Speaker 1: front office is really running the show in a way
Speaker 1: more obviously than most places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm of two minds here.
Speaker 2: On the one hand, I don't think it's that big
Speaker 2: of a deal that like Howie Roseman would be the
Speaker 2: one making the connections for bringing in Vic Fangio and
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore. Like, if you just think about it, he
Speaker 2: has been around the league longer, he has more connections.
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni sort of exhausted his connections, his you know,
Speaker 2: his top guys both left in Shane Stikeen and Jonathan Gannon.
Speaker 2: That we have seen this over the years, it's very
Speaker 2: difficult to replenish your like coaching pipeline but there's also no.
Speaker 1: Doubt bring in some fresh vines like Matt Patricia into
Speaker 1: the organization exactly, so give me a break.
Speaker 2: But there's no doubt that Howie Roseman is the most like,
Speaker 2: most powerful person in the organization, and much more so
Speaker 2: than than Nick Sirianni. There was the you know, there
Speaker 2: was the the the big report from Seth Wickersham and
Speaker 2: in ESPN about their flirtation with with Bill Belichick, which
Speaker 2: I think was was very real. And there's the characterization
Speaker 2: that that I do think is fair that you know,
Speaker 2: Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Leary are to some degree sort
Speaker 2: of like art collectors of the NFL, Like they like
Speaker 2: bringing in these these people who have been in the zeitgeist,
Speaker 2: and so like the Vic Fangio defense. They have Jonathan Gannon,
Speaker 2: who seems like he's trying to run the same thing.
Speaker 2: Last year, they bring in Sean Decai, who who worked
Speaker 2: under Vic Fangio. This year they actually get the guy
Speaker 2: Vic Fangiel, like they got the original Rembrandt that they
Speaker 2: were looking for. But there is a bit of a
Speaker 2: tension between Fangio and and Howie in terms of their
Speaker 2: like philosophies because the like the Howie Roseman defensive foundational
Speaker 2: philosophy for so long has been as many pass rushers
Speaker 2: as possible. We want to rotate these guys, keep them fresh,
Speaker 2: so that they're fresh at the end of the season.
Speaker 2: You know, it goes back to the Andy Reid fastballs
Speaker 2: that that Eagles fans are familiar with. But Vic Fangio
Speaker 2: is not of that. Ilk Like, he wants to play
Speaker 2: his guys at a high percentage. Christian Wilkins last year
Speaker 2: played more snaps than any defensive tackle in football. I
Speaker 2: asked Howie about this at the the first press conference
Speaker 2: of training camp and he said, yeah, like, we are
Speaker 2: gonna have to be a little bit different. Like in
Speaker 2: the past we would have guys play like fifty five
Speaker 2: percent of the snaps and it might need to be
Speaker 2: more like sixty five seventy. And so, you know, Jalen Carter,
Speaker 2: who could be awesome, but he's gonna have to play
Speaker 2: a lot more snaps. Jordan Davis is gonna have to
Speaker 2: play a lot more snaps. Those guys, It's going to
Speaker 2: be interesting, especially because last year I think that was
Speaker 2: a big factor in why their defense was so bad.
Speaker 2: At the end of last year, the guys were exhausted,
Speaker 2: so there's been a lot of talk of extra conditioning
Speaker 2: this season feels a little bit overcorrecting to me. But
Speaker 2: the Howie of it all, like, if this season goes wrong,
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni is going to be the one who enters
Speaker 2: for it. You know, Jeffery Learry is not going to
Speaker 2: look at this roster and think, well, the roster wasn't
Speaker 2: good enough. It's gonna fall on.
Speaker 1: Nick, right, And you mentioned Davis and Jalen Carter. To me,
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one thing on the defense,
Speaker 1: I guess, but one thing on this team that's like
Speaker 1: are they going to be better than people think or
Speaker 1: worse than people think? It might just be those two
Speaker 1: taking a step up each, Like not that Jordan Davis
Speaker 1: needs to be an All Pro, but Jordan Davis needs
Speaker 1: to be more consistent and a plus starter that can
Speaker 1: handle a big workload and make it through the season.
Speaker 1: And Jalen Carter goes from a really good player to
Speaker 1: like an All Pro player. Because if that happens, everything
Speaker 1: else I feel like on the defense will fall enough
Speaker 1: into place. But there are a lot of questions to
Speaker 1: me on this defense, And you mentioned how they didn't
Speaker 1: have answers for hurts, and you know, it did get
Speaker 1: ugly at the end, and that the playoff game was
Speaker 1: flat out embarrassing. Really the last month was insanely embarrassing
Speaker 1: for them. But the offense was good the whole year
Speaker 1: before that, Like, the offense was legitimately good.
Speaker 3: It just works three quarters of the season and.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's three quarters of the season. They would have,
Speaker 1: you know, loaded up on wins. But even when they
Speaker 1: were struggling, it was like, okay, they fell back down
Speaker 1: to averager below when the defense stunk the whole time.
Speaker 1: Is my point is it felt to me like it
Speaker 1: was more about the defense. And now a little worried
Speaker 1: that Fangio coming off of down year and maybe the
Speaker 1: league has caught up a little bit to what he does.
Speaker 1: What have you seen so far at training camp that
Speaker 1: that's caught your eye for the defense and just how
Speaker 1: do you think this defense goes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's interesting because the other thing that
Speaker 2: is a little bit different about it from a Howie
Speaker 2: Roseman archetype standpoint is there's so much more deep in
Speaker 2: the secondary and they have always been built front to back,
Speaker 2: and it seems like the way that they went about
Speaker 2: building it this offseason is a little bit more back
Speaker 2: to front. Quinn and Mitchell, the first round pick, Cooper Dejeane,
Speaker 2: the second round pick. Dejane's been out, has not practiced yet,
Speaker 2: is sort of week to week, but kiey Ringo, who
Speaker 2: was a fourth round pick last year, is competing to
Speaker 2: start opposite Darius Lay. Isaiah Rodgers, the guy who was
Speaker 2: suspended for a season, has actually looked really good and
Speaker 2: is also competing. They brought back CJ. Gardner Johnson at safety,
Speaker 2: so they seem much more deep in the secondary than
Speaker 2: they have ever been. But you're right that it does
Speaker 2: really come down to either Jalen Carter or Jordan David
Speaker 2: has to take some kind of leap, I think, and
Speaker 2: I think it's more likely to be Jalen Carter. I
Speaker 2: think there's a chance that he could be one of
Speaker 2: the best defensive tackles in football as early as this season.
Speaker 2: They're trying to figure out what they're going to do
Speaker 2: at linebacker, which is the case every summer with the Eagles.
Speaker 3: It's Devin White and Nikobe Dean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I've got a bone actually for your
Speaker 1: your Eagles linebacker coverages co which is always like you
Speaker 1: talk about linebacker and you're like, well, they got Devin
Speaker 1: White locked in.
Speaker 3: We know where we're going to get out of him.
Speaker 3: Oh and then.
Speaker 1: Whether we're going to get out of it, whether it's
Speaker 1: Zach Bond or Niakobe Dean next to and I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: Devin White is the last guy in the NFL almost
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get out of. He drove
Speaker 1: his coaches crazy, and those are good defensive coaches. He
Speaker 1: basically I think Todd Bowles like lost years off his
Speaker 1: life for coaching Devin White, not just last year, really
Speaker 1: the last couple of years ever since they won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And so he got that contract and I thought,
Speaker 1: well that that's an interesting fit there with with Fangio
Speaker 1: and I don't know they It's the one thing that
Speaker 1: the analytical precepts we talked about three or four years
Speaker 1: ago of like not paying off ball linebackers has not
Speaker 1: come out well in the wash. Right now, it feels
Speaker 1: like every good defense has great off ball linebackers, and
Speaker 1: teams like the Eagles or the Cowboys that don't get
Speaker 1: absolutely destroyed because of them in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I will not sit idly by and let you paint
Speaker 2: me as the Devin White defender. Yeah, there's no doubt
Speaker 2: about it. And it's to the art collector thread. They
Speaker 2: went out like the additions this offseason. The Eagles added
Speaker 2: five different first round picks, Devin White, Makai Beckton, Kenny Pickett,
Speaker 2: Like I mean, you go, John Ross, but oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Give me your your picket quarterback battle.
Speaker 2: And these guys, like you think about these guys, they're
Speaker 2: gone their first round picks with the same regimes. Like
Speaker 2: those guys are gone for a reason, Like Makai Beckton
Speaker 2: in theory is a good answer at right guard. But
Speaker 2: you know, don't the Jets need offensive lineman, don't, couldn't.
Speaker 2: Couldn't the Bucks need Devin White? But yeah, my picket thought.
Speaker 2: And that's why I brought up the thing at the
Speaker 2: top about how difficult it is for this number two quarterback.
Speaker 2: But I have not been impressed with Unny Picketts so far.
Speaker 2: And I actually really do like Tanner McKee, who is
Speaker 2: the number three quarterback, who was their sixth round pick
Speaker 2: last year. He's getting the ball out much quicker, much
Speaker 2: more on time, much more accurate.
Speaker 3: I have been underwhelmed with pickets. Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for cutting you off in the middle of
Speaker 1: trying to defend Devin White. Yeah, a lot of just
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. And they bring in Bryce Huff.
Speaker 1: You I know you've you've kind of had your eye
Speaker 1: caught by Jylex Hunt. They're they're a little flash, They're
Speaker 1: a little thinner there.
Speaker 3: In terms of passers, they kind of need.
Speaker 1: I would say they basically need Bryce Huff to work,
Speaker 1: not not be a star. He doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: as good as Hassan Reddick, but he needs to at
Speaker 1: least be what he was for the Jets or a
Speaker 1: little better.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was very efficient last year, and so
Speaker 2: if he's even a little bit less efficient than that,
Speaker 2: but with more volume, that would be a good sign.
Speaker 2: Vic Fanjo didn't necessarily gass him up a ton in
Speaker 2: his first press conference. He said he hasn't yet proven
Speaker 2: that he can be a three down player. But I
Speaker 2: think that's just kind of a nice, you know, crusty
Speaker 2: old defensive coordinator answer. The other guy involved there is
Speaker 2: Nolan Smith, their second first round pick from last year,
Speaker 2: who had a.
Speaker 3: Very underwhelming rookie season.
Speaker 2: If it's not Bryce Huff taking a leap or Josh
Speaker 2: Sweat looking like he did, you know, the first half
Speaker 2: of last season. It needs to be Nolan Smith being
Speaker 2: playable because last year he wasn't. And to be fair,
Speaker 2: that's sort of like the Howie Roseman thing about play
Speaker 2: these young guys, Like if Nolan Smith and Keey Ringo
Speaker 2: had gotten on the field a little bit more last year,
Speaker 2: maybe they would be in better position this year.
Speaker 3: And they got a lot of guys. They got a
Speaker 3: lot of names.
Speaker 1: I think if you pulled just average NFL fans and
Speaker 1: you named all the players on the teams, like the
Speaker 1: Eagles would be among if not the league leader, and
Speaker 1: just names that you recognize, even guys like Kiely Ringo
Speaker 1: who were famous in college. And you know, we didn't
Speaker 1: mention Jason Kelsey's God of course that's important. But they
Speaker 1: have a guy that's that's been there a couple of years.
Speaker 1: It's ready to go and take the spot in Cam Jurgens. Overall,
Speaker 1: to me, they have more talent than the rest of
Speaker 1: the division, and I think the expectations actually should be
Speaker 1: pretty high for this Eagles team. It's weirdly not because
Speaker 1: last year ended at least nationally because last year ended
Speaker 1: so ugly. But the roster is as good or better
Speaker 1: to me as it's been the last two years, and
Speaker 1: they're the ones that blew it last year. To me,
Speaker 1: the expectations should be like Super Bowl contender. I don't
Speaker 1: see why now in the NFC like that. They're one
Speaker 1: of the top two or three contenders. But I don't
Speaker 1: get to feel it that people see them that way.
Speaker 3: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: When you look at the roster and you look at
Speaker 2: the division, which which I know we will get to,
Speaker 2: it's underwhelming. The only thing that you know is the
Speaker 2: contrarian in me that is a little bit wary is
Speaker 2: two new coordinators is often more difficult than it looks
Speaker 2: on paper.
Speaker 3: That takes some time.
Speaker 2: And then on offense, like they need to be awesome,
Speaker 2: they need to be a top five offense, and I
Speaker 2: think I think Jiyalen Hurts is ready for that. But
Speaker 2: if the offensive line goes from one of the three
Speaker 2: best in the league to like the eighth or ninth
Speaker 2: best in the league, that makes a big difference. And
Speaker 2: they're very top heavy, you know, they're they're a little
Speaker 2: bit more deep on defense. On offense, it's kind of
Speaker 2: like Stars and Scrubs, Like their number three receiver right
Speaker 2: now is maybe Paris Campbell, maybe John Ross, maybe a
Speaker 2: six round pick Johnny Wilson.
Speaker 1: And I know that Ross, and I know that is
Speaker 1: not making that team don't invest too much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I think. That's that's most likely, right.
Speaker 2: But I I like, I know that if you looked
Speaker 2: at every roster in the league and you're like, well,
Speaker 2: who's their number three receiver, that it would be nobody's
Speaker 2: going to blow you away. But they have been very
Speaker 2: lucky with health for aj Brown and DeVante Smith over
Speaker 2: the past two years. I don't think that they are
Speaker 2: well suited to replace those guys. I think internally they
Speaker 2: would say, if something happens early, maybe they can make
Speaker 2: a trade. You know, they've got extra pick investment from
Speaker 2: this year. I would I would be surprised if they,
Speaker 2: you know, enter the second half the season with this
Speaker 2: exact wide receiver corps.
Speaker 3: But they didn't. Necessarily.
Speaker 2: It was the one thing of the offseason that surprised
Speaker 2: me that they did not address sort of the fourth
Speaker 2: option in the passing game a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Now maybe you mean.
Speaker 2: Maybe, well, yeah, but that's another one where having been
Speaker 2: through this a lot over the past decade, like oh,
Speaker 2: this is this is the year we're going to throw
Speaker 2: to the running back, it doesn't usually pan out that way.
Speaker 2: That said, Jalen Hurts has looked more comfortable throwing to
Speaker 2: the running backs this summer than he has in years past.
Speaker 2: The Eagles have thrown to running backs less often than
Speaker 2: like any team in the league over the past couple
Speaker 2: of years. It seems like that's probably more of a
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts thing than an offense thing. But maybe it's
Speaker 2: as simple as well. Jillen Hurts didn't want to throw
Speaker 2: the ball to Kenny Gainwell, but it's Saquon Barkley, so
Speaker 2: he'll throw him the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited. I think Saquon played much better a
Speaker 1: year ago than the numbers would indicate, and behind this
Speaker 1: offensive line, I just think it's going to be very different.
Speaker 1: Even if it is the eighth or ninth best offensive line,
Speaker 1: that's way better better than he's ever played behind with
Speaker 1: the Giants. So I think they've got everything they need.
Speaker 1: But you're right, the coordinators are high, high ceiling, and
Speaker 1: maybe a low floor for both of them. Like Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore could be great. Vic Fangio could be great. It
Speaker 1: could be the Vic that we've we've had in our
Speaker 1: minds the last few years, the one they had in
Speaker 1: their minds when they brought them in before the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and then they had the worst defensive performance they
Speaker 1: had all year and they blew their chance.
Speaker 3: To win a championship.
Speaker 1: Let's do let's do a segment here, Let's play a
Speaker 1: little game before we go and go a little more
Speaker 1: big picture in terms of the NFC East. I want
Speaker 1: you to rate one to one hundred on a level
Speaker 1: of like Philly angst. I'm going to give you different
Speaker 1: aspects of the division. One being we're climbing grease poles,
Speaker 1: it's the day after the super Bowl and you're calling
Speaker 1: in to the you know, Phoy, you know, everyone's happy.
Speaker 1: And then one hundred being basically any other day in
Speaker 1: Philly sports.
Speaker 3: Hisstory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, let's start with Joe Shane, his
Speaker 1: front office moves and yeah, the front office of the Giants.
Speaker 3: I do have to say that this Hard Knocks.
Speaker 2: I think it's the best content the NFL has ever produced,
Speaker 2: aside from this podcast. Wow, it is so good, and
Speaker 2: it's so good at like laying bare. How silly the
Speaker 2: like gatekeeping of all information is when everything they're showing
Speaker 2: is so mundane and it's like Brian Davile's talking about
Speaker 2: he's going to hire this defensive coordinator. Well, look you,
Speaker 2: it was like eighth in the rushing yards allowed last year.
Speaker 2: Like that's as deep as it's going. But the Shane stuff,
Speaker 2: to think of it through the prism of everything they're
Speaker 2: showing has been approved by the Giants and they are
Speaker 2: just letting him out to dry and making him look
Speaker 2: like such a boob. Like the Saquon of it all,
Speaker 2: It really does feel like if Saquon has a huge
Speaker 2: year with the Eagles and the Giants are bad, that's
Speaker 2: going to be the thing that that hangs him, like
Speaker 2: he's he's going to be let go. But my other
Speaker 2: takeaway here is, I know you and I were texting
Speaker 2: about the the performance of Joe Shane's son, you know,
Speaker 2: telling him, yeah, be aggressive, go go go get the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Here, that's your assistant, that's your GM right there. If
Speaker 1: Shane's not pulling it this year, bring the sun in.
Speaker 2: But the son needs to be put to work in
Speaker 2: another way, because it really has gotten to me the
Speaker 2: the the big player acquisition messaging that Joe Shane has strength, toughness, determination. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old has gotta tell you, Dad, that's STD.
Speaker 2: Like our whole our whole thing is STD. We gotta
Speaker 2: we gotta watch out for this. Just flip it around.
Speaker 2: It could be TDS. It's like touchdowns? What Dad?
Speaker 1: Want to be too hard on Shane? Like he seems
Speaker 1: like a very good guy. He seems like a very
Speaker 1: nice guy. But I have talked to a few people
Speaker 1: and the conversation is kind of like, is there more
Speaker 1: going on there?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Are there deeper conversations that we aren't seeing? And the
Speaker 1: that's what I'm asking And the response is that I've
Speaker 1: gotten is like, no, that's it.
Speaker 2: That is It's crazy to me how surface level all
Speaker 2: the conversations are. And I have thought about this, We
Speaker 2: were joking about this on our show about the idea
Speaker 2: of Howie Roseman. Watching this to me is so fascinating
Speaker 2: because I know that it's a little bit played up.
Speaker 2: But like the surprise of Joe Shane the first like
Speaker 2: five minutes of free agency, when all these prices are different,
Speaker 2: like the information game in the NFL between the GMS,
Speaker 2: and the agents and the insiders, like Howie Roseman's been
Speaker 2: playing this game for so long. I think he would
Speaker 2: tell you that, like he takes pride in being as
Speaker 2: in this as anybody, Like he says, the thing that
Speaker 2: keeps him up at night is the idea that somebody
Speaker 2: might be available and he doesn't know about it. The
Speaker 2: idea that the first ten minutes of free agency would
Speaker 2: go by and the cost of the players he wants
Speaker 2: would shock him is insane to me, And it like,
Speaker 2: it really does seem like Joe Shane is not altogether
Speaker 2: like knowing what is going on at all these different levels.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope NFL Films is not listening because
Speaker 1: I agree it's it's been some of the best content,
Speaker 1: and not just because we're having a little fun with it.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: You are seeing some moments and interactions and how things
Speaker 1: work that we just haven't before because we haven't seen
Speaker 1: this type of hard knocks before. And I don't think
Speaker 1: it's bad for the Giants, but I guess if you
Speaker 1: listen to this segment, they probably wouldn't be a big fan.
Speaker 3: Let's say a lot.
Speaker 2: I love the mundanity though, of like the how the
Speaker 2: trades that, like, you know, it's just oh, well, he's
Speaker 2: he's friends with Dan Morgan, Like, hey, what do you
Speaker 2: think about.
Speaker 1: What do you think we talk about that? I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Let's stick with the Giants. Actually, well, let's
Speaker 1: go through the rest of these fasts. But I want
Speaker 1: to I want to give something positive about the How
Speaker 1: about the level of concern one to one hundred the Giants'
Speaker 1: defensive line going up against this this Eagles group now
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a fair fight.
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I didn't give you the number
Speaker 2: on the last one. I would have said like ninety
Speaker 2: eight or something like that. But I think for this one,
Speaker 2: I think the Eagles offensive line in particular is maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit less worried. But that defensive line looks awesome.
Speaker 2: So I think I think Eagles fans would tell you
Speaker 2: this is like a twenty five, but I think most
Speaker 2: opposing teams would would give it like a ninety. I mean,
Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence is is as good as it gets at
Speaker 2: defensive tackle. Now that Aaron Donald's gone from for a
Speaker 2: nose tackle to be as productive as he is against
Speaker 2: you know, rushing the passer. Brian Burns On the outside
Speaker 2: is awesome. As much as we sort of poke fun
Speaker 2: at Joe Shane, it does feel like he like accidentally
Speaker 2: backed into a lot of the right decisions. Like I
Speaker 2: think the Burns trade is good value and it's well right.
Speaker 1: They didn't show much about the Burns trade, and ultimately
Speaker 1: that was the biggest move they made. I mean, they
Speaker 1: did talk about how the trade came about, but they
Speaker 1: clearly prioritized that, and I think overall that was considering
Speaker 1: their options was the right move, and they.
Speaker 2: Had when they first brought it up, they talked about
Speaker 2: they've been you know, if it would cost a first right,
Speaker 2: and so they got it for as much better price
Speaker 2: like the Saquon thing. I actually think they probably did
Speaker 2: the right thing in letting him go. I think Malik
Speaker 2: Neighbors is awesome. So they sort of backed into a
Speaker 2: lot of what looked like the right decisions to me.
Speaker 3: But Yeah, that defensive line.
Speaker 2: It's it's obviously what that entire defense is going to
Speaker 2: be built upon. It's the only unit on that team
Speaker 2: I think that you would look at and say it's
Speaker 2: definitely above average league wide.
Speaker 3: All right, went to one hundred.
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels pulling like an RG three rookie year performance
Speaker 1: against the Eagles where I believe he had won incompletion
Speaker 1: and four touchdowns and ran all over him.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's like an eighty five for the
Speaker 2: Eagles because you also have to keep in mind that
Speaker 2: Sam Howell diced up the Eagles, so they have not
Speaker 2: had a lot of luck against those rookie Washington quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: But you know, the Devin White of it all that
Speaker 2: we're talking about, like the middle of the field for
Speaker 2: the Eagles, the linebackers are not going to be great,
Speaker 2: and so if Jade Daniels is as explosive as a
Speaker 2: runner as he was in college, then yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: That's definitely something that that will concern them.
Speaker 3: Justice for Eric B.
Speaker 1: Enemy, by the way, like Sam Howe has gone to
Speaker 1: Seahawks camp and like I supposedly, just is brew absolutely
Speaker 1: brutal and they made it. They made him look pretty good.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought both Scott Turner and Eric Enemy
Speaker 1: were kind of underrated with with what they did well,
Speaker 1: speaking of you know, I mean, yeah, one to one hundred,
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn and Cliff Kingsbury as a competition, that's a one.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh wow, that's rude.
Speaker 1: I mean one to one hundred that that Vic has
Speaker 1: lost his fastball totally. Vic FANGI this is really still
Speaker 1: in the team.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's I think that's a reasonable
Speaker 2: eighty eighty five. I mean, especially those first years. If
Speaker 2: you look over you know Fanjo's recent history, the first
Speaker 2: years have not been great in Denver, even in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and last year in Miami. My my my case on
Speaker 2: on Fangio has been that he was brought in to
Speaker 2: provide a higher floor, like just a level of competence
Speaker 2: that they did not have last year with Shawn de
Speaker 2: sayon Matt Patricia. They only need them to be a
Speaker 2: top twenty defense and they need the offense to be
Speaker 2: top five. But I think there's I can't imagine their
Speaker 2: defense is gonna be worse than it was last year,
Speaker 2: but it could certainly be below average.
Speaker 3: It could be not good.
Speaker 1: You mentioned being top heavy. There there are numbers to
Speaker 1: back you up there. They actually are second in the league.
Speaker 1: I saw this year of if you take the top
Speaker 1: five players on the team average salary, they're over one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million, and that's number two in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL. Miami actually was one, So.
Speaker 3: Just on offense or on the whole.
Speaker 1: Now overall pay and most of that is on offense.
Speaker 1: Again i'd push back, but you're right, mostly the money
Speaker 1: is into the offense, and it is better talent.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that's an above average talent to defense. I
Speaker 1: think that's like a top that should be a top
Speaker 1: twelve to thirteen defense something like that with a good coordinator.
Speaker 1: Wrap up with the twenty twenty four Dallas Cowboys, they
Speaker 1: just stay totally vague with them. You can take from
Speaker 1: an Eagles perspective, yes, one, yeah, concern.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Eagles fans are enjoying the drama
Speaker 2: of it all and how how cheap the Cowboys have
Speaker 2: been not not paying their players. But I mean, I
Speaker 2: think they're still the best competition in the division. I
Speaker 2: think there is the the contrarian in me that that
Speaker 2: wants to say that the Cowboys could even be the
Speaker 2: favorite because they have the carryover and some of the
Speaker 2: best players in the division.
Speaker 3: Like there's a little bit more variance with the Eagles.
Speaker 2: I think I think the Cowboys will be good, but
Speaker 2: certainly it's it's very funny to watch as all the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and the receivers get paid, and you know, DAK
Speaker 2: is being talking about, well, it might be nice to
Speaker 2: be somewhere else, and they're not paying anybody else. And
Speaker 2: Sam Williams goes down, and so all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: what looked like their best unit on defense is a
Speaker 2: little bit depleted and they're gonna have to lean more
Speaker 2: into to Mic on the outside. But for Eagles fans,
Speaker 2: I would say they're they're enjoying this na of Cowboys fandom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Eagles are barely favored to win the division. Relatively,
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, minus won twenty five. The Commanders,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys are like plus one sixty five.
Speaker 3: So it's not a huge gap.
Speaker 1: But between the two, the Cowboys to me seem like
Speaker 1: the boom or bust team.
Speaker 3: In the NFL.
Speaker 1: DAK is good enough, and the in Parsons and their
Speaker 1: best players are good enough, and we've seen them be
Speaker 1: good enough under McCarthy. That thirteen wins with the out
Speaker 1: of division schedule isn't bad here because you guys get
Speaker 1: to play the NFC South. I think the Eagles play
Speaker 1: three NFC South teams before September is over, which is
Speaker 1: a nice way to start the season after that that
Speaker 1: Brazil game. So you could tell me they could win
Speaker 1: thirteen games. I don't think that's that crazy for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But you could tell me they won five, and I
Speaker 1: don't think that's that crazy. I think they're pretty high
Speaker 1: on the list of teams that are favored to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. That could absolutely implode in many ways. And
Speaker 1: it's because they're a little top heavy. It's because of
Speaker 1: the dynamics with the coach and just the everything going on.
Speaker 1: I could see that going wrong, at least.
Speaker 3: In some timelines.
Speaker 2: There's also the concern from Eagles fans that Kellen Moore
Speaker 2: is a sleeper agent for the Cowboys, kind of like
Speaker 2: Orlando Scandrick was a few years ago, and maybe we'll just.
Speaker 3: Rip more would make more sense because he was there
Speaker 3: for a decade. He seemed like he was Jerry's guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was, so he wasn't until he wasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, you're you're my guy.
Speaker 3: Bo Wolf does a great job.
Speaker 1: Like I said, p hl y podcast, Eagles podcast, it's daily,
Speaker 1: they're getting after it, training camp reports. I find it's
Speaker 1: it's the best way to follow a team, and obviously
Speaker 1: we're an Eagles fan. You should check it out, but
Speaker 1: anyone would enjoy the banter and uh yeah, Bo, thank
Speaker 1: you very much.
Speaker 3: Go get that tortoise.
Speaker 1: I know, Nori, I'm coming to save you. We'll be
Speaker 1: back to wrap up the week on Friday. We'll be
Speaker 1: at RAMS camp, but we'll talk about all the stuff
Speaker 1: going around in the league and get some interviews there.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. Until then, for Bold Wolf,
Speaker 1: see you next thing.
Speaker 3: Slow and steady, m hm
Speaker 2: Hm hm