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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we enjoyed Nadalcatraz while it

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Speaker 1: lasted Nadalkaaz. I don't beyond lucky today to be joined

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Speaker 1: by Bo Wolf of p h l Y, a tennis

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Speaker 1: player like myself. He embarrassed me at the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. A lot coming up on

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Speaker 1: today's show. We got some news. We're gonna add to

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Speaker 1: do some Eagles talk, little deep dive, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: play a game, Bo where I ask you how concerned

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Speaker 1: you are about various factors of the NFC East. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to NFL Daily for the first time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. You did a good job

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Speaker 2: with phl Y. You've been working on that. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I like to say, I mean, come on, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: have thought of a different name that you have to

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Speaker 3: It's very hard. It's hard, I think. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 3: blame me. You worked on it, you work shopped it.

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Speaker 3: I would say. Once a teammate, always a team.

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Speaker 2: But it's nice to feel like even more of a

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Speaker 2: teammate of of Jordan Rodrigue again.

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Speaker 3: So I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love having Jordan Una. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: mentioned her. She will be out at Rams Camp. We'll

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Speaker 1: tape there on Thursday, but we're gonna do news, you know,

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Speaker 1: rest of the league stuff other than just RAM stuff.

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Speaker 3: But she'll be there to help us out there.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I apologize if I'm distracted today. Apologize to

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Speaker 1: you bo, Apologize to Randy who's producing the show, the listeners,

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Speaker 1: because my tortoise is missing right now.

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Speaker 3: Your tortoise is missing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I let I let her out in the backyard

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Speaker 1: and as I do sometimes usually pretty you know, get

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Speaker 1: her some exercise, have some have some fun. Norri it's

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Speaker 1: her name, as Randy knows. And yeah, I couldn't find her.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't find her, and it was time to do

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Speaker 1: a show. And you know that's how much I value

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Speaker 1: NFL daily that we're here, we're taping. Who knows, maybe

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Speaker 1: my my tortoise is out on the streets selling her

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean it's got to be a slow getaway,

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Speaker 2: right you're and have some time to catch up there.

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Speaker 1: There is no real escape. So that's why I feel

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Speaker 1: so I will be thinking about that.

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Speaker 1: If if I seem a little distracted, she's you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, I feel like I consume a lot of Greg

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Speaker 2: Rosenthal content and I didn't even know that there was

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Speaker 2: I hope, I hope I see her him or her.

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Speaker 2: I guess, yes, poking around in the in the background,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be funny if she she opens the

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Speaker 3: It'll be better if she appeared on my end, an

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Speaker 3: amazing trick. Let's do some news. Let's get going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I keep this show shorter than usual, that's

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Speaker 1: why I gotta get out there and save my girl.

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Speaker 1: Not a ton of news today, But DJ Moore signed

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Speaker 1: a four year, one hundred and ten million dollar contract

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Speaker 1: eighty two zero point five million guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: On that deal, he.

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Speaker 1: Already had a couple of years left on his old deal,

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Speaker 3: The Bears just keep making smart moves.

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Speaker 1: I don't kind of know how to deal with this

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Speaker 2: And all the talk of like Caleb Williams entering the

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Speaker 1: Right, and who knows, maybe the numbers won't even go up.

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Speaker 1: He was ninety six for one, three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: DJ Moore young too, so it seems like a good investment.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Sneaky Young somehow only twenty seven years old for

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Speaker 1: while Matthew Judon, who've talked about a little bit on

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Speaker 3: They're trying to make me look bad.

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Speaker 1: And then another report came out from the same reporters,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hear from you about is about the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: He said, Joe Milton's looked more consistent and better at campus,

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Speaker 2: I was talking about this on our show with Zach

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Speaker 2: The second team wide receiver options are guys who are

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Speaker 2: keep in mind. But Drake made doesn't look good. He

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Speaker 1: You answer early, some really good young quarterbacks have struggled

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Speaker 1: Obviously there's a million that have struggled early in training

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Speaker 3: I won't. I won't hate that. I like Jacoby well.

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Speaker 2: Plus you got Devon Gonshaw locked up long term, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know how Devon Gotcha's got so many contracts

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Speaker 1: and he was upset about his deal, wanted it closer,

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's how the reason, how he decided

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Speaker 3: He's more of a run stopper.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Judon is is a little older and is probably

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Speaker 1: trying to get money into the future. Is my guest,

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Speaker 1: and he's thirty two years old, and they don't want

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Speaker 2: I like the idea that it's like a spike contract

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have mentioned, Yeah, you have a daily

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Speaker 3: The banter is so hardcore.

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Speaker 1: You should feel guilty Bo for having the best straight

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Speaker 1: man in the business. You're a funny guy, and Zach

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Speaker 2: Nobody works harder than Zach. He's a wonderful partner. And

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot, a lot of planning. Sole a

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Speaker 1: couple more stories. The Dolphins. I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: just that. There's been a collection of stories, and I

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Speaker 1: too much. Number One, there was that Jordan Poyer quote.

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Speaker 1: He's a safety on the Dolphins now, and he was

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Speaker 1: in the past few years, you get a sense that, like,

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Speaker 1: this team's gonna fold if you get ahead of them.

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Speaker 1: First of all, there was a lot of great back

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Speaker 2: It does seem like a team that is very much

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Speaker 1: Bit right in its own head. I have a theory

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel good all this pressure, the disease of more,

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Speaker 1: Tony got injured at Chiefs practice on Wednesday. The Bolton

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Speaker 1: don't know if Kardarius Tony makes this team. I know

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Speaker 1: he had that moment against your Eagles where he broke

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Speaker 1: Do you have to pretend like you don't care if

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Speaker 2: There's attending at all. I'm a objective as it gets.

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Speaker 2: Although I will say that year we would have at

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Speaker 2: that was the one thing. And also Zach I think

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, I have to I don't try to

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Speaker 1: But he's obviously very important for them. We were at

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find that that damn tortoise. No, no,

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Speaker 1: how did how did Randy make a graphic already? That's

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Speaker 1: next level? That is actually Norri. I recognize her. We'll

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Speaker 1: the Day award for finding a picture of Norri apparently

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Eagles. We want a

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Speaker 1: deep dive. We're making a big board bow of all

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Speaker 1: show it. You know, I made a choice. I think

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Speaker 2: Well, the other thing you forgot is the big long

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Speaker 2: No, and there are you know, like every now and

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Speaker 2: I think the Jalen Hurts what is so difficult when

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Speaker 2: Like he had that unbelievable season in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: he looked awesome last year. You know, new play caller

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Speaker 1: The problem with a daily podcast though, Like you guys,

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Speaker 2: No, but it's contextual in that when he came back

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Speaker 2: that they have around him. So there's no doubt that

436
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 2: like Jalen Hurts is the most important person in the

437
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 2: organization as to their success this year. So far, so good,

438
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,880
Speaker 2: but we will see how it goes.

439
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Speaker 1: That is big news if they follow through with that

440
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 1: in terms of his running, and yeah, he wasn't healthy

441
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: one hundred percent last year and I've seen how high

442
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 1: he's getting taken in fantasy leagues. They're not worried about

443
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 1: the Jalen Hurds type. Like he's still going third fourth

444
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 1: round like as a third quarterback, and he needs to

445
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 1: run to make that worth it. But he's still got

446
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 1: maybe the best collection of scale players. The offensive line

447
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 1: has taken a couple hits, but you would still assume

448
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: that it's an asset versus you know, average or anywhere

449
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 1: below that. I would assume that. And if you've got age,

450
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got a j. Brown, Goddard, DeVonta

451
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 1: Smith and Saquin Barkley on the same team, that almost

452
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: there isn't a team out there I don't think that

453
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: can quite match that or it's going to be close.

454
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Speaker 1: And it makes me happy because I do not want

455
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Speaker 1: the Carson Wentz thing to happen, because because it is

456
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Speaker 1: kind of crazy how they really are reliving, I mean,

457
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: with slight variations, the whole you know, tracking of what

458
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Speaker 1: happened after they won their first Super Bowl the next

459
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Speaker 1: year similar ish ish. I mean, they actually look pretty

460
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Speaker 1: good in the playoffs that year and could could have

461
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Speaker 1: gone further that the year they were defending the title.

462
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Speaker 1: But they give once the big contract and it's just

463
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Speaker 1: like the slow little decline and they never quite quite respond.

464
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I hope yeah.

465
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Speaker 2: I mean you would have to think if it goes

466
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Speaker 2: that way, which you know it probably won't. But then

467
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, like what is it about the

468
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Speaker 2: organizational structure that that allows that to happen? If it

469
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: happens twice, you know, it's maybe it's not on him,

470
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 2: it's on us.

471
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Speaker 1: Well, I want to get to that. Maybe it's on

472
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Speaker 1: the fans. I blame the Philly fans for a lot.

473
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Speaker 1: The front office dynamic is weird. Howie Roseman has obviously

474
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Speaker 1: done a really good job on balance and the talents obvious,

475
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: but when they're out publicly saying more or less that

476
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Speaker 1: he chose the coaches, that's weird.

477
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Speaker 3: That's a little weird to me.

478
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Speaker 1: And he I noticed what he was saying, how they're

479
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: hoping to play young players this year more often, which

480
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: are you know, how he's players and so it's a

481
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: weird And Vic Fangio as the coach, who's not a

482
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Speaker 1: guy who necessarily plays young players, So that dynamic to

483
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 1: me is strange that Nick Sirianni is there, but the

484
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: front office is really running the show in a way

485
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Speaker 1: more obviously than most places.

486
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm of two minds here.

487
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: On the one hand, I don't think it's that big

488
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: of a deal that like Howie Roseman would be the

489
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: one making the connections for bringing in Vic Fangio and

490
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore. Like, if you just think about it, he

491
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: has been around the league longer, he has more connections.

492
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni sort of exhausted his connections, his you know,

493
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: his top guys both left in Shane Stikeen and Jonathan Gannon.

494
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: That we have seen this over the years, it's very

495
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: difficult to replenish your like coaching pipeline but there's also no.

496
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Speaker 1: Doubt bring in some fresh vines like Matt Patricia into

497
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: the organization exactly, so give me a break.

498
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Speaker 2: But there's no doubt that Howie Roseman is the most like,

499
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: most powerful person in the organization, and much more so

500
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Speaker 2: than than Nick Sirianni. There was the you know, there

501
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: was the the the big report from Seth Wickersham and

502
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: in ESPN about their flirtation with with Bill Belichick, which

503
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: I think was was very real. And there's the characterization

504
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: that that I do think is fair that you know,

505
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Leary are to some degree sort

506
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: of like art collectors of the NFL, Like they like

507
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: bringing in these these people who have been in the zeitgeist,

508
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 2: and so like the Vic Fangio defense. They have Jonathan Gannon,

509
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: who seems like he's trying to run the same thing.

510
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: Last year, they bring in Sean Decai, who who worked

511
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: under Vic Fangio. This year they actually get the guy

512
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: Vic Fangiel, like they got the original Rembrandt that they

513
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: were looking for. But there is a bit of a

514
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 2: tension between Fangio and and Howie in terms of their

515
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: like philosophies because the like the Howie Roseman defensive foundational

516
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: philosophy for so long has been as many pass rushers

517
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: as possible. We want to rotate these guys, keep them fresh,

518
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 2: so that they're fresh at the end of the season.

519
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: You know, it goes back to the Andy Reid fastballs

520
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: that that Eagles fans are familiar with. But Vic Fangio

521
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: is not of that. Ilk Like, he wants to play

522
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: his guys at a high percentage. Christian Wilkins last year

523
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: played more snaps than any defensive tackle in football. I

524
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: asked Howie about this at the the first press conference

525
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: of training camp and he said, yeah, like, we are

526
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 2: gonna have to be a little bit different. Like in

527
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: the past we would have guys play like fifty five

528
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: percent of the snaps and it might need to be

529
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: more like sixty five seventy. And so, you know, Jalen Carter,

530
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: who could be awesome, but he's gonna have to play

531
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: a lot more snaps. Jordan Davis is gonna have to

532
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: play a lot more snaps. Those guys, It's going to

533
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: be interesting, especially because last year I think that was

534
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: a big factor in why their defense was so bad.

535
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: At the end of last year, the guys were exhausted,

536
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: so there's been a lot of talk of extra conditioning

537
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: this season feels a little bit overcorrecting to me. But

538
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: the Howie of it all, like, if this season goes wrong,

539
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni is going to be the one who enters

540
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: for it. You know, Jeffery Learry is not going to

541
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: look at this roster and think, well, the roster wasn't

542
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: good enough. It's gonna fall on.

543
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: Nick, right, And you mentioned Davis and Jalen Carter. To me,

544
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one thing on the defense,

545
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: I guess, but one thing on this team that's like

546
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: are they going to be better than people think or

547
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: worse than people think? It might just be those two

548
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: taking a step up each, Like not that Jordan Davis

549
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: needs to be an All Pro, but Jordan Davis needs

550
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: to be more consistent and a plus starter that can

551
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: handle a big workload and make it through the season.

552
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: And Jalen Carter goes from a really good player to

553
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: like an All Pro player. Because if that happens, everything

554
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: else I feel like on the defense will fall enough

555
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: into place. But there are a lot of questions to

556
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: me on this defense, And you mentioned how they didn't

557
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: have answers for hurts, and you know, it did get

558
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: ugly at the end, and that the playoff game was

559
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: flat out embarrassing. Really the last month was insanely embarrassing

560
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: for them. But the offense was good the whole year

561
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: before that, Like, the offense was legitimately good.

562
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: It just works three quarters of the season and.

563
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Speaker 1: Okay, well that's three quarters of the season. They would have,

564
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, loaded up on wins. But even when they

565
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: were struggling, it was like, okay, they fell back down

566
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: to averager below when the defense stunk the whole time.

567
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: Is my point is it felt to me like it

568
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: was more about the defense. And now a little worried

569
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: that Fangio coming off of down year and maybe the

570
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: league has caught up a little bit to what he does.

571
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: What have you seen so far at training camp that

572
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: that's caught your eye for the defense and just how

573
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: do you think this defense goes?

574
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's interesting because the other thing that

575
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: is a little bit different about it from a Howie

576
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 2: Roseman archetype standpoint is there's so much more deep in

577
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: the secondary and they have always been built front to back,

578
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: and it seems like the way that they went about

579
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 2: building it this offseason is a little bit more back

580
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: to front. Quinn and Mitchell, the first round pick, Cooper Dejeane,

581
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: the second round pick. Dejane's been out, has not practiced yet,

582
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: is sort of week to week, but kiey Ringo, who

583
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: was a fourth round pick last year, is competing to

584
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: start opposite Darius Lay. Isaiah Rodgers, the guy who was

585
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: suspended for a season, has actually looked really good and

586
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: is also competing. They brought back CJ. Gardner Johnson at safety,

587
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: so they seem much more deep in the secondary than

588
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: they have ever been. But you're right that it does

589
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: really come down to either Jalen Carter or Jordan David

590
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: has to take some kind of leap, I think, and

591
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: I think it's more likely to be Jalen Carter. I

592
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: think there's a chance that he could be one of

593
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: the best defensive tackles in football as early as this season.

594
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: They're trying to figure out what they're going to do

595
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: at linebacker, which is the case every summer with the Eagles.

596
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: It's Devin White and Nikobe Dean.

597
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I've got a bone actually for your

598
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: your Eagles linebacker coverages co which is always like you

599
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: talk about linebacker and you're like, well, they got Devin

600
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: White locked in.

601
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: We know where we're going to get out of him.

602
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: Oh and then.

603
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: Whether we're going to get out of it, whether it's

604
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Zach Bond or Niakobe Dean next to and I'm thinking, like,

605
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: Devin White is the last guy in the NFL almost

606
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get out of. He drove

607
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: his coaches crazy, and those are good defensive coaches. He

608
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: basically I think Todd Bowles like lost years off his

609
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: life for coaching Devin White, not just last year, really

610
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of years ever since they won the

611
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And so he got that contract and I thought,

612
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: well that that's an interesting fit there with with Fangio

613
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know they It's the one thing that

614
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: the analytical precepts we talked about three or four years

615
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: ago of like not paying off ball linebackers has not

616
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: come out well in the wash. Right now, it feels

617
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: like every good defense has great off ball linebackers, and

618
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: teams like the Eagles or the Cowboys that don't get

619
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: absolutely destroyed because of them in the playoffs.

620
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: I will not sit idly by and let you paint

621
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: me as the Devin White defender. Yeah, there's no doubt

622
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: about it. And it's to the art collector thread. They

623
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: went out like the additions this offseason. The Eagles added

624
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: five different first round picks, Devin White, Makai Beckton, Kenny Pickett,

625
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: Like I mean, you go, John Ross, but oh yeah.

626
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: Give me your your picket quarterback battle.

627
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: And these guys, like you think about these guys, they're

628
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: gone their first round picks with the same regimes. Like

629
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: those guys are gone for a reason, Like Makai Beckton

630
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: in theory is a good answer at right guard. But

631
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: you know, don't the Jets need offensive lineman, don't, couldn't.

632
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: Couldn't the Bucks need Devin White? But yeah, my picket thought.

633
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: And that's why I brought up the thing at the

634
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: top about how difficult it is for this number two quarterback.

635
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: But I have not been impressed with Unny Picketts so far.

636
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: And I actually really do like Tanner McKee, who is

637
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: the number three quarterback, who was their sixth round pick

638
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: last year. He's getting the ball out much quicker, much

639
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: more on time, much more accurate.

640
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: I have been underwhelmed with pickets. Oh, I love it.

641
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for cutting you off in the middle of

642
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: trying to defend Devin White. Yeah, a lot of just

643
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. And they bring in Bryce Huff.

644
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 1: You I know you've you've kind of had your eye

645
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: caught by Jylex Hunt. They're they're a little flash, They're

646
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: a little thinner there.

647
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: In terms of passers, they kind of need.

648
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: I would say they basically need Bryce Huff to work,

649
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: not not be a star. He doesn't need to be

650
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Speaker 1: as good as Hassan Reddick, but he needs to at

651
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Speaker 1: least be what he was for the Jets or a

652
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Speaker 1: little better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

654
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he was very efficient last year, and so

655
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Speaker 2: if he's even a little bit less efficient than that,

656
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: but with more volume, that would be a good sign.

657
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: Vic Fanjo didn't necessarily gass him up a ton in

658
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: his first press conference. He said he hasn't yet proven

659
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: that he can be a three down player. But I

660
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: think that's just kind of a nice, you know, crusty

661
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: old defensive coordinator answer. The other guy involved there is

662
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: Nolan Smith, their second first round pick from last year,

663
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: who had a.

664
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Speaker 3: Very underwhelming rookie season.

665
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: If it's not Bryce Huff taking a leap or Josh

666
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: Sweat looking like he did, you know, the first half

667
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: of last season. It needs to be Nolan Smith being

668
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: playable because last year he wasn't. And to be fair,

669
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Speaker 2: that's sort of like the Howie Roseman thing about play

670
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: these young guys, Like if Nolan Smith and Keey Ringo

671
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: had gotten on the field a little bit more last year,

672
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: maybe they would be in better position this year.

673
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Speaker 3: And they got a lot of guys. They got a

674
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Speaker 3: lot of names.

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Speaker 1: I think if you pulled just average NFL fans and

676
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: you named all the players on the teams, like the

677
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: Eagles would be among if not the league leader, and

678
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: just names that you recognize, even guys like Kiely Ringo

679
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: who were famous in college. And you know, we didn't

680
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: mention Jason Kelsey's God of course that's important. But they

681
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: have a guy that's that's been there a couple of years.

682
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: It's ready to go and take the spot in Cam Jurgens. Overall,

683
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: to me, they have more talent than the rest of

684
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Speaker 1: the division, and I think the expectations actually should be

685
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: pretty high for this Eagles team. It's weirdly not because

686
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: last year ended at least nationally because last year ended

687
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: so ugly. But the roster is as good or better

688
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: to me as it's been the last two years, and

689
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: they're the ones that blew it last year. To me,

690
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: the expectations should be like Super Bowl contender. I don't

691
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: see why now in the NFC like that. They're one

692
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: of the top two or three contenders. But I don't

693
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: get to feel it that people see them that way.

694
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Speaker 3: I think that's right.

695
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: When you look at the roster and you look at

696
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: the division, which which I know we will get to,

697
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: it's underwhelming. The only thing that you know is the

698
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: contrarian in me that is a little bit wary is

699
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: two new coordinators is often more difficult than it looks

700
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 2: on paper.

701
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: That takes some time.

702
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: And then on offense, like they need to be awesome,

703
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: they need to be a top five offense, and I

704
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: think I think Jiyalen Hurts is ready for that. But

705
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: if the offensive line goes from one of the three

706
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: best in the league to like the eighth or ninth

707
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: best in the league, that makes a big difference. And

708
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: they're very top heavy, you know, they're they're a little

709
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: bit more deep on defense. On offense, it's kind of

710
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: like Stars and Scrubs, Like their number three receiver right

711
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: now is maybe Paris Campbell, maybe John Ross, maybe a

712
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: six round pick Johnny Wilson.

713
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Speaker 1: And I know that Ross, and I know that is

714
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: not making that team don't invest too much.

715
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I think. That's that's most likely, right.

716
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: But I I like, I know that if you looked

717
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: at every roster in the league and you're like, well,

718
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: who's their number three receiver, that it would be nobody's

719
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: going to blow you away. But they have been very

720
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: lucky with health for aj Brown and DeVante Smith over

721
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: the past two years. I don't think that they are

722
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Speaker 2: well suited to replace those guys. I think internally they

723
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: would say, if something happens early, maybe they can make

724
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: a trade. You know, they've got extra pick investment from

725
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: this year. I would I would be surprised if they,

726
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: you know, enter the second half the season with this

727
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: exact wide receiver corps.

728
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: But they didn't. Necessarily.

729
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Speaker 2: It was the one thing of the offseason that surprised

730
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 2: me that they did not address sort of the fourth

731
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: option in the passing game a little bit more.

732
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Speaker 3: Now maybe you mean.

733
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Speaker 2: Maybe, well, yeah, but that's another one where having been

734
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: through this a lot over the past decade, like oh,

735
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: this is this is the year we're going to throw

736
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: to the running back, it doesn't usually pan out that way.

737
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: That said, Jalen Hurts has looked more comfortable throwing to

738
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: the running backs this summer than he has in years past.

739
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: The Eagles have thrown to running backs less often than

740
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Speaker 2: like any team in the league over the past couple

741
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: of years. It seems like that's probably more of a

742
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts thing than an offense thing. But maybe it's

743
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 2: as simple as well. Jillen Hurts didn't want to throw

744
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: the ball to Kenny Gainwell, but it's Saquon Barkley, so

745
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: he'll throw him the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited. I think Saquon played much better a

747
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: year ago than the numbers would indicate, and behind this

748
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: offensive line, I just think it's going to be very different.

749
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Speaker 1: Even if it is the eighth or ninth best offensive line,

750
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: that's way better better than he's ever played behind with

751
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: the Giants. So I think they've got everything they need.

752
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: But you're right, the coordinators are high, high ceiling, and

753
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: maybe a low floor for both of them. Like Kellen

754
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Moore could be great. Vic Fangio could be great. It

755
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: could be the Vic that we've we've had in our

756
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: minds the last few years, the one they had in

757
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: their minds when they brought them in before the Super

758
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: Bowl and then they had the worst defensive performance they

759
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: had all year and they blew their chance.

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Speaker 3: To win a championship.

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Speaker 1: Let's do let's do a segment here, Let's play a

762
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: little game before we go and go a little more

763
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: big picture in terms of the NFC East. I want

764
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: you to rate one to one hundred on a level

765
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: of like Philly angst. I'm going to give you different

766
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: aspects of the division. One being we're climbing grease poles,

767
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: it's the day after the super Bowl and you're calling

768
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: in to the you know, Phoy, you know, everyone's happy.

769
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: And then one hundred being basically any other day in

770
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: Philly sports.

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Speaker 3: Hisstory.

772
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, let's start with Joe Shane, his

773
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: front office moves and yeah, the front office of the Giants.

774
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Speaker 3: I do have to say that this Hard Knocks.

775
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: I think it's the best content the NFL has ever produced,

776
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: aside from this podcast. Wow, it is so good, and

777
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: it's so good at like laying bare. How silly the

778
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: like gatekeeping of all information is when everything they're showing

779
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: is so mundane and it's like Brian Davile's talking about

780
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: he's going to hire this defensive coordinator. Well, look you,

781
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: it was like eighth in the rushing yards allowed last year.

782
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 2: Like that's as deep as it's going. But the Shane stuff,

783
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: to think of it through the prism of everything they're

784
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: showing has been approved by the Giants and they are

785
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: just letting him out to dry and making him look

786
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 2: like such a boob. Like the Saquon of it all,

787
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: It really does feel like if Saquon has a huge

788
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: year with the Eagles and the Giants are bad, that's

789
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: going to be the thing that that hangs him, like

790
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 2: he's he's going to be let go. But my other

791
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 2: takeaway here is, I know you and I were texting

792
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: about the the performance of Joe Shane's son, you know,

793
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: telling him, yeah, be aggressive, go go go get the quarterback.

794
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: Here, that's your assistant, that's your GM right there. If

795
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: Shane's not pulling it this year, bring the sun in.

796
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: But the son needs to be put to work in

797
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: another way, because it really has gotten to me the

798
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: the the big player acquisition messaging that Joe Shane has strength, toughness, determination. Yeah,

799
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old has gotta tell you, Dad, that's STD.

800
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: Like our whole our whole thing is STD. We gotta

801
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: we gotta watch out for this. Just flip it around.

802
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: It could be TDS. It's like touchdowns? What Dad?

803
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: Want to be too hard on Shane? Like he seems

804
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: like a very good guy. He seems like a very

805
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: nice guy. But I have talked to a few people

806
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: and the conversation is kind of like, is there more

807
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: going on there?

808
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: Right?

809
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: Are there deeper conversations that we aren't seeing? And the

810
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: that's what I'm asking And the response is that I've

811
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: gotten is like, no, that's it.

812
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: That is It's crazy to me how surface level all

813
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: the conversations are. And I have thought about this, We

814
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: were joking about this on our show about the idea

815
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: of Howie Roseman. Watching this to me is so fascinating

816
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: because I know that it's a little bit played up.

817
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: But like the surprise of Joe Shane the first like

818
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: five minutes of free agency, when all these prices are different,

819
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: like the information game in the NFL between the GMS,

820
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: and the agents and the insiders, like Howie Roseman's been

821
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: playing this game for so long. I think he would

822
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: tell you that, like he takes pride in being as

823
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: in this as anybody, Like he says, the thing that

824
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: keeps him up at night is the idea that somebody

825
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: might be available and he doesn't know about it. The

826
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: idea that the first ten minutes of free agency would

827
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: go by and the cost of the players he wants

828
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: would shock him is insane to me, And it like,

829
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: it really does seem like Joe Shane is not altogether

830
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: like knowing what is going on at all these different levels.

831
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope NFL Films is not listening because

832
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: I agree it's it's been some of the best content,

833
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: and not just because we're having a little fun with it.

834
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 3: Here.

835
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: You are seeing some moments and interactions and how things

836
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: work that we just haven't before because we haven't seen

837
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: this type of hard knocks before. And I don't think

838
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: it's bad for the Giants, but I guess if you

839
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: listen to this segment, they probably wouldn't be a big fan.

840
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: Let's say a lot.

841
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: I love the mundanity though, of like the how the

842
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: trades that, like, you know, it's just oh, well, he's

843
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: he's friends with Dan Morgan, Like, hey, what do you

844
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: think about.

845
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: What do you think we talk about that? I'm like,

846
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Let's stick with the Giants. Actually, well, let's

847
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: go through the rest of these fasts. But I want

848
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: to I want to give something positive about the How

849
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: about the level of concern one to one hundred the Giants'

850
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: defensive line going up against this this Eagles group now

851
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a fair fight.

852
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I didn't give you the number

853
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: on the last one. I would have said like ninety

854
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: eight or something like that. But I think for this one,

855
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: I think the Eagles offensive line in particular is maybe

856
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 2: a little bit less worried. But that defensive line looks awesome.

857
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: So I think I think Eagles fans would tell you

858
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: this is like a twenty five, but I think most

859
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: opposing teams would would give it like a ninety. I mean,

860
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence is is as good as it gets at

861
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: defensive tackle. Now that Aaron Donald's gone from for a

862
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: nose tackle to be as productive as he is against

863
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: you know, rushing the passer. Brian Burns On the outside

864
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: is awesome. As much as we sort of poke fun

865
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: at Joe Shane, it does feel like he like accidentally

866
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Speaker 2: backed into a lot of the right decisions. Like I

867
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Speaker 2: think the Burns trade is good value and it's well right.

868
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: They didn't show much about the Burns trade, and ultimately

869
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: that was the biggest move they made. I mean, they

870
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Speaker 1: did talk about how the trade came about, but they

871
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: clearly prioritized that, and I think overall that was considering

872
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 1: their options was the right move, and they.

873
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Speaker 2: Had when they first brought it up, they talked about

874
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Speaker 2: they've been you know, if it would cost a first right,

875
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: and so they got it for as much better price

876
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Speaker 2: like the Saquon thing. I actually think they probably did

877
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: the right thing in letting him go. I think Malik

878
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: Neighbors is awesome. So they sort of backed into a

879
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: lot of what looked like the right decisions to me.

880
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: But Yeah, that defensive line.

881
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: It's it's obviously what that entire defense is going to

882
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: be built upon. It's the only unit on that team

883
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: I think that you would look at and say it's

884
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: definitely above average league wide.

885
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 3: All right, went to one hundred.

886
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels pulling like an RG three rookie year performance

887
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: against the Eagles where I believe he had won incompletion

888
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: and four touchdowns and ran all over him.

889
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: I think that's that's like an eighty five for the

890
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: Eagles because you also have to keep in mind that

891
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: Sam Howell diced up the Eagles, so they have not

892
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: had a lot of luck against those rookie Washington quarterbacks.

893
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: But you know, the Devin White of it all that

894
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: we're talking about, like the middle of the field for

895
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: the Eagles, the linebackers are not going to be great,

896
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: and so if Jade Daniels is as explosive as a

897
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Speaker 2: runner as he was in college, then yeah, that's the

898
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Speaker 2: That's definitely something that that will concern them.

899
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: Justice for Eric B.

900
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: Enemy, by the way, like Sam Howe has gone to

901
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Seahawks camp and like I supposedly, just is brew absolutely

902
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: brutal and they made it. They made him look pretty good.

903
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: I thought I thought both Scott Turner and Eric Enemy

904
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: were kind of underrated with with what they did well,

905
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: speaking of you know, I mean, yeah, one to one hundred,

906
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn and Cliff Kingsbury as a competition, that's a one.

907
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: I mean, oh wow, that's rude.

908
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean one to one hundred that that Vic has

909
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: lost his fastball totally. Vic FANGI this is really still

910
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: in the team.

911
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's I think that's a reasonable

912
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: eighty eighty five. I mean, especially those first years. If

913
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: you look over you know Fanjo's recent history, the first

914
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: years have not been great in Denver, even in Chicago,

915
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 2: and last year in Miami. My my my case on

916
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: on Fangio has been that he was brought in to

917
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: provide a higher floor, like just a level of competence

918
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: that they did not have last year with Shawn de

919
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: sayon Matt Patricia. They only need them to be a

920
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: top twenty defense and they need the offense to be

921
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: top five. But I think there's I can't imagine their

922
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: defense is gonna be worse than it was last year,

923
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: but it could certainly be below average.

924
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: It could be not good.

925
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: You mentioned being top heavy. There there are numbers to

926
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Speaker 1: back you up there. They actually are second in the league.

927
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: I saw this year of if you take the top

928
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: five players on the team average salary, they're over one

929
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million, and that's number two in the

930
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: entire NFL. Miami actually was one, So.

931
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: Just on offense or on the whole.

932
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: Now overall pay and most of that is on offense.

933
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: Again i'd push back, but you're right, mostly the money

934
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: is into the offense, and it is better talent.

935
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: I think that.

936
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Speaker 1: I think that's an above average talent to defense. I

937
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: think that's like a top that should be a top

938
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: twelve to thirteen defense something like that with a good coordinator.

939
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: Wrap up with the twenty twenty four Dallas Cowboys, they

940
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: just stay totally vague with them. You can take from

941
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: an Eagles perspective, yes, one, yeah, concern.

942
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Eagles fans are enjoying the drama

943
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: of it all and how how cheap the Cowboys have

944
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: been not not paying their players. But I mean, I

945
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: think they're still the best competition in the division. I

946
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: think there is the the contrarian in me that that

947
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: wants to say that the Cowboys could even be the

948
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: favorite because they have the carryover and some of the

949
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: best players in the division.

950
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: Like there's a little bit more variance with the Eagles.

951
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: I think I think the Cowboys will be good, but

952
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: certainly it's it's very funny to watch as all the

953
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and the receivers get paid, and you know, DAK

954
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: is being talking about, well, it might be nice to

955
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: be somewhere else, and they're not paying anybody else. And

956
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: Sam Williams goes down, and so all of a sudden,

957
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: what looked like their best unit on defense is a

958
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: little bit depleted and they're gonna have to lean more

959
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: into to Mic on the outside. But for Eagles fans,

960
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: I would say they're they're enjoying this na of Cowboys fandom.

961
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Eagles are barely favored to win the division. Relatively,

962
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, minus won twenty five. The Commanders,

963
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys are like plus one sixty five.

964
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: So it's not a huge gap.

965
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: But between the two, the Cowboys to me seem like

966
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: the boom or bust team.

967
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: In the NFL.

968
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Speaker 1: DAK is good enough, and the in Parsons and their

969
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: best players are good enough, and we've seen them be

970
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: good enough under McCarthy. That thirteen wins with the out

971
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: of division schedule isn't bad here because you guys get

972
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: to play the NFC South. I think the Eagles play

973
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: three NFC South teams before September is over, which is

974
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: a nice way to start the season after that that

975
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: Brazil game. So you could tell me they could win

976
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: thirteen games. I don't think that's that crazy for the Cowboys.

977
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Speaker 1: But you could tell me they won five, and I

978
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: don't think that's that crazy. I think they're pretty high

979
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: on the list of teams that are favored to make

980
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: the playoffs. That could absolutely implode in many ways. And

981
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: it's because they're a little top heavy. It's because of

982
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: the dynamics with the coach and just the everything going on.

983
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: I could see that going wrong, at least.

984
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: In some timelines.

985
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Speaker 2: There's also the concern from Eagles fans that Kellen Moore

986
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: is a sleeper agent for the Cowboys, kind of like

987
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: Orlando Scandrick was a few years ago, and maybe we'll just.

988
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 3: Rip more would make more sense because he was there

989
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: for a decade. He seemed like he was Jerry's guy.

990
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was, so he wasn't until he wasn't. Yeah,

991
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: there you go, you're you're my guy.

992
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: Bo Wolf does a great job.

993
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: Like I said, p hl y podcast, Eagles podcast, it's daily,

994
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: they're getting after it, training camp reports. I find it's

995
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: it's the best way to follow a team, and obviously

996
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: we're an Eagles fan. You should check it out, but

997
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: anyone would enjoy the banter and uh yeah, Bo, thank

998
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Speaker 1: you very much.

999
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Speaker 3: Go get that tortoise.

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Speaker 1: I know, Nori, I'm coming to save you. We'll be

1001
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Speaker 1: back to wrap up the week on Friday. We'll be

1002
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: at RAMS camp, but we'll talk about all the stuff

1003
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Speaker 1: going around in the league and get some interviews there.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. Until then, for Bold Wolf,

1005
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Speaker 1: see you next thing.

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Speaker 3: Slow and steady, m hm

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Speaker 2: Hm hm