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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three

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Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Action Network. I

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Speaker 1: am Chad Milman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: We have our favorite recurring guest on the show today

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Speaker 1: joining me to do this podcast today, my co host,

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Speaker 1: my companion, Mike com Pottery, my bff professional better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 2: O Simon, how are we doing? Chad?

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Speaker 1: Simon? I don't ever want you to be lonely. I

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Speaker 1: know you know you always have me. But today we

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Speaker 1: also have our favorite recurring guest, two time Super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 1: eleven year NFL veteran host of the wildly popular Greenlight podcast.

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Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Long Yay, so lonely sometimes?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't believe it.

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Speaker 2: Look you're looking at a couple of guys with successful podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We're still lonely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm old, and my kids. One of my

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Speaker 1: kids doesn't live at home, and one of my kids

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Speaker 1: is a teenager who would rather not live at home,

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Speaker 1: and so I have excuses to be lonely. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: guys are you know in your thirties, Chris, You've got

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Speaker 1: a young family. Simon is rich, and you know relatively

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Speaker 1: famous in certain circles. I don't know why either.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't be you shouldn't be lonely. There's you and

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Speaker 2: I have excuses, But yeah, women love professional sports betters

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Speaker 2: that have pos they do they do they do. Isn't

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Speaker 2: that funny that like that's like one uh one group

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Speaker 2: of people that probably doesn't get any more girls because

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Speaker 2: of what they do? You know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 2: women are just not into professional sports betting, are they? Now?

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Speaker 3: I just always get the side on the girls, like

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Speaker 3: you must think you're so cool. It's like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't work the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what else, women aren't into professional sports writing.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that. I can tell you that

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: That's gotta be another peg down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing lonelier talk about lonely. There's nothing lonelier

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Speaker 1: than the bar at a Marriott Hotel on a Sunday

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Speaker 1: night after you've just finished covering Chris Long and like

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Speaker 1: you write and the Saint Louis Rams and like you're

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Speaker 1: at the whatever Edward Jones Dome or whatever that was,

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Speaker 1: and then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Drury in right next to the exactly, and

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Speaker 2: you're like, don't you want to hear about Greg Williams

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Speaker 2: calling more cover too.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, and like you'd sit in that

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Speaker 1: press box, you'd write eight hundred crappy words about some

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Speaker 1: game that is no different than any other game. Then

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Speaker 1: you go to that goddamn hotel. You're waiting for a

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Speaker 1: call from an editor who's going to say, hey, can

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Speaker 1: you fix this? Hey, can you find a quote? I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what am I going to fucking do? Am I gonna

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Speaker 1: call Chris Long right now at his house and see

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Speaker 1: if he can give me a better quote than when

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Speaker 1: he gave me after the game. It's fucking terrible.

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Speaker 2: Everyboddy just pillages your intellectual property and regurgitates it the

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Speaker 2: next day, because the start of the chain is the writers,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, the writers are the

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Speaker 2: first ones in, and then everybody else takes a bite

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Speaker 2: the next day. So it's like you got this thankless shop.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. Thank you for thank you for

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Speaker 1: Finals are starting today, are tonight, and we got Chris here.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to not give picks for the NBA Finals. Chris,

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Speaker 1: I know you've been thinking of out. I know Simon's

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Speaker 1: It is. It is nailing the analysis of these games,

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Speaker 1: and it is so much fun to listen to. Definitely

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Speaker 1: do that. Simon, give me your take. What are you

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Speaker 1: hearing from the pros?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say most people, shockingly, if they've been

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Speaker 3: listening to sports media. I think most people are talking

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Speaker 3: about the Celtics are a better team, right, they model

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Speaker 3: them out better. I believe they're, you know, only team

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Speaker 3: with twenty losses in the playoffs this year, like they

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Speaker 3: just were a great off season. But the interesting thing

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Speaker 3: is you talk to the professional betters and it's really torn,

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Speaker 3: It's not really they're they're not all just buying in

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Speaker 3: on this Boston team, right, even though Boston is well

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Speaker 3: minus two thirty had a lot of bookstad like that's

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Speaker 3: a big number for a series price before they've even

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Speaker 3: played one game here. So really interesting talking to pros

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Speaker 3: because going into it, I thought everybody would be on

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Speaker 3: the Luca Kyrie Dallas trade. It's like basketball, at the

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Speaker 3: end of the game, when there's three minutes to go,

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Speaker 3: there's only five dudes on the court. And if you

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Speaker 3: have two killers, legitimate killers in basketball, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: it's game over. Like if you have the Lebron Wade combo,

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Speaker 3: many games where Boston will do their thing right, they'll

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Speaker 3: think a lot of people view that as they could

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Speaker 3: easily win this series. Right, if they're hitting their threes,

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Speaker 3: they'll win this. But I think most of us know

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Speaker 3: how it gets in the playoffs, right, guys, get tight,

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Speaker 3: it gets really they pull you into the mud, doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter if it's basketball or football. They pull you down

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Speaker 3: in the mud and they know your best tendencies. Right,

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Speaker 3: there are no secrets, and to me, you know, talking

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Speaker 3: talking to them. There is no great defense to stop

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Speaker 3: And that's how I feel here with Luca. So for me,

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Speaker 3: I like to have fun betting these You've already missed

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Speaker 3: the good future of market unless you want to take

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna bet them to win in six so four

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Speaker 3: That to me is a fun bet to make here

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Speaker 3: on Dallas, and I just I like this team. I

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Speaker 2: To me, that's got to count for something. Chris, I'm

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Speaker 2: pulling for Yeah, I'm pulling for the MAVs. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: just can't. I'm not anti Boston. I played there the

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Speaker 2: whole thing, but Boston's had so much fun, so I

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Speaker 2: want to see other teams win. And I also think

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Speaker 2: it's fun that every time lately that I mean, Dallas

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Speaker 2: I kind of love that the pressure gets put on

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Speaker 2: that's more pressure on us. Like I would love to

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Speaker 2: I also I love I kind of liking the Luca thing.

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Speaker 2: parallels with the narratives, right and Luca not being able

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Speaker 2: it's kind of like Lamar Jackson in the playoffs thing

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Speaker 2: like when is this generational talent going to bear fruit.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see him, you know, join the ranks

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Speaker 2: to the guys that got championships and he'd be the

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Speaker 2: reason why. And then Kyrie, Kyrie's got to be one

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Speaker 2: you can't say the MAVs would be here without him.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's been games where Luca would go cold

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Speaker 2: To your point, Simon, like having two guys that can

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Speaker 2: going to bet Dallas full series and just hold on

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Speaker 2: bet for a while, you know, because I'm not doing baseball.

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing the Olympics unless you guys talk me

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Speaker 2: into it. But I'm going to take the MAVs.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting, Simon. We had Josh Richardson of

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Speaker 1: the Heat on the podcast last week and I thought

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Speaker 1: he was great and the one thing that we didn't

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Speaker 1: press him on, and maybe Chris can speak to this

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Speaker 1: as a former professional athlete, the Kyrie transformation, the Kyrie

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Speaker 1: narrative of being a heel, being a guy who went

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Speaker 1: from team to team to team was so disruptive, was

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Speaker 1: a guy that a lot of teams didn't want to

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Speaker 1: invest in to all of a sudden, being a guy

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Speaker 1: that has transformed his reputation and become, like Chris just said,

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Speaker 1: the perfect wingman to what Luca is doing and the

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Speaker 1: way Luca has embraced him and the way they play

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Speaker 1: off each other. He will do nothing in the first

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Speaker 1: off exactly when he needs it. For Chris, what is

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Speaker 1: it like to have a mercurial, generationally great talent on

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Speaker 1: your team? How do you manage that as a player.

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Speaker 2: Like someone like Aaron Donald? But yeah, I can count

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Speaker 2: a couple guys that I thought of in that, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like Aaron Donald being the obvious one. And one of

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Speaker 2: my biggest regrets was not staying healthier at the end

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Speaker 2: of my tenure in Saint Louis because we had such

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Speaker 2: a great line and Aaron was a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: But it obviously got banged up and then released two

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Speaker 2: years later, So me and Aaron barely crossed over when

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Speaker 2: it came to like me being at my best, and

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Speaker 2: you know, with Aaron on the team, it frees up

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Speaker 2: a lot for other people obviously, so you get singles,

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Speaker 2: you know where the slide's going, you know where they're

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Speaker 2: going to pay attention. But one of the hidden downsides

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Speaker 3: Is it crazy how the media can paint you a

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Speaker 1: There's so many interesting threads in this conversation. Number One,

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Speaker 1: It just does. And you're going to be You're going

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Speaker 2: You're too good at what you're doing to be canceled.

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Speaker 1: Kyrie did the same thing. They both couch what they're saying,

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433
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Speaker 1: Harrison Butker comments at that at the commencement speech handled

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435
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Speaker 1: I don't agree with anything he said. The way I

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Speaker 1: what he believes.

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Speaker 2: We love America. You guys know hundreds of people in

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448
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Speaker 2: that But if you gave them all a microphone and

453
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Speaker 2: ask them to talk about whatever their philosophies are, they

454
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Speaker 2: would be held to a different scrutiny because that's not

455
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Speaker 2: the standard for most people walking around, right. You know,

456
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Speaker 2: we're not going to get like a state of the

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Speaker 2: Union on everything they believe every week. And so I

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Speaker 2: do think that, like athletes are given this opportunity to

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Speaker 2: talk about things that they're passionate about or some learning

460
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467
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Speaker 1: think you're both wrong. I think the Celtics are probably

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great.

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Speaker 1: You know what part of it is? Part of it

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Speaker 2: Look.

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Speaker 1: I love the MAVs. I love Luca. I love the

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Speaker 1: This team is really good and this is going to

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536
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Speaker 1: is going to be stacked. I think this is their

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Speaker 1: only shot to do it. And by the way, the

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Speaker 1: to happen with the Knicks, the box are going to

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Speaker 1: be healthier. Like I think this team deserves it. I

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Speaker 1: think they've They've been to the finals, They've been to

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Speaker 1: so many conference finals. Uh, this is their shot. I

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Speaker 1: think they need it. I think they take it.

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Speaker 2: For the Celtics with the road that they took to

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Speaker 2: get here, you gotta cash in.

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Speaker 1: You got to cash in. This is this is their

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Speaker 1: one moment. Speaking of cashing in, here is a and Chris,

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Speaker 1: you are uniquely qualified to answer this question. I content

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid could go down as being considered a better

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Speaker 1: coach than Bill Belichick, and I feel like just because

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Speaker 1: he has been an offensive genius and has come to

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Speaker 1: sort of his the muse slash the engine for all

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Speaker 1: of his brilliance late in his career. Who knows how

554
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Speaker 1: many more Super Bowls are going to win? Belichick had Brady,

555
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Speaker 1: Andy Reid has Spagnolo, who you played for in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: Give me your take on a Andy Reid versus Bill Belichick?

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Speaker 1: Who can go down as the greatest coach? Is there

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Speaker 1: a chance for Andy Reid to go down as the

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Speaker 1: greatest coach?

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Speaker 2: Sure, there's going to be a lot of people that

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Speaker 2: are going to say that at the end of his career.

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Speaker 2: I also think like it's in vogue right now to

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Speaker 2: kind of tear Bill down. The Patriots. People hated him

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Speaker 2: for a long time, right Like for most of Simon

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Speaker 2: and I's adult lives, growing up teenagers, the whole thing

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Speaker 2: it was the Pats. I remember when Al grow was

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Speaker 2: my coach. He was a Belichick disciple, like a parcels guy.

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Speaker 2: In college. I hated the Patriots because they he made

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Speaker 2: us wear those stupid high socks with the stripes around

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Speaker 2: him just like the Patriots. We did everything, We had

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Speaker 2: all the same signs on the wall. And I can

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Speaker 2: remember going to Mellow Mushroom in Charlottesville, Virginia and watching

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Speaker 2: David Tyree catch that ball and going nuts. Or I

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Speaker 2: can remember watching Donovan McNabb keeled over puking and being like,

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Speaker 2: we let these guys off the hook again. So like

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Speaker 2: that's the reality for most people growing up, is like

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Speaker 2: they couldn't wait to see that dynasty end. I look

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Speaker 2: at the Patriots dynasty instead of looking at it like, oh,

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Speaker 2: they broke up. To me, it's like they had a

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Speaker 2: marriage that lasted twenty years and a support where the

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Speaker 2: divorce rate is like one hundred, right. And I think

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Speaker 2: also what's impressive about the Patriots is they there was

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Speaker 2: almost a decade gap between Super Bowls. If they don't

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Speaker 2: pick that ball off, if the Malcolm Butler play doesn't happen,

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Speaker 2: it's so hard to get back there year after year,

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Speaker 2: let alone to get back there with totally different teams.

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Speaker 2: And so I think with Andy's age, unless he's able

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Speaker 2: to coach a long time, do the same thing that

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Speaker 2: Bill did, where it's like you got to rebuild cores

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Speaker 2: of your team and win with separate teams. To me,

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Speaker 2: it's still Bill and I think also people will say, hey, well,

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Speaker 2: you know he had Tom Brady, and that's fine, but

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Speaker 2: how many of those Super Bowls were one on on

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Speaker 2: on account of defense? He bookended his career with defensive victories.

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Speaker 2: And I think also defense is this invisible thing that's

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Speaker 2: like immeasurable, but it adds up to offense. You know,

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Speaker 2: you talk about complimentary football and the security of knowing

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Speaker 2: that you're gonna have good field position, that you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have time possession, that you're going to play the game

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Speaker 2: on a script. I think a lot of that stems

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Speaker 2: from having that defensive foundation, and so for me, it'd

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Speaker 2: be hard to usurp Bill. But I can understand people

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Speaker 2: making the case for Andy Reid, especially if they if

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Speaker 2: they go three p or if they take a break

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Speaker 2: and they continue to do that. I would also say

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Speaker 2: this though, like is it taboo to ask if Tom

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Speaker 2: Brady and his prime is better than Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 2: his prime. They're so different it is it? I know?

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Speaker 2: But like I like both apples and oranges, both of

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Speaker 2: them can win you championships in this in this scenario,

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Speaker 2: both are in my opinion, that the two when it's

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Speaker 2: all said and done, it's going to be Mahomes Brady.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you can talk about the guys in

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Speaker 2: the eighties and that, Yeah, Montana, you gotta always throw Montana. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and and and I don't like the comparison thing because

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Speaker 2: context is always different, you know, around each player. And

617
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Speaker 2: so this is a really inexact science when you're comparing

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Speaker 2: two coaches or two quarterbacks. But I would say, hey,

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Speaker 2: did they both have great quarterbacks? Yes, you know, including

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Speaker 2: Donovan McNabb just getting there, you know, all those times,

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Speaker 2: because you know, that's part of the Andy Reid lore, right,

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Speaker 2: Like you can't make this claim if you don't have

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Speaker 2: the Philly chapter. Like if you were just in a vacuum.

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Speaker 2: If Andy Reid showed up and coach the way he's

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Speaker 2: coached the last ten years in Kansas City, we'd be

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Speaker 2: talking about it as one of the greatest coaches of

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Speaker 2: all time. But we wouldn't be talking about him as

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Speaker 2: you know, competition for Bill. I think part of that

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Speaker 2: is he exhibited he could win in Philly. Now they

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Speaker 2: didn't win the big one, but they were there repeatedly,

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Speaker 2: and with this quarterback Donovan Knabb, who was a very

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady, So I think that counts in his column.

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Speaker 2: But you also have to acknowledge the fact that he's

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Speaker 2: always had good quarterbacks. Yes, he made Alex Smith look great,

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Speaker 2: but so did Harball, right, And so I look at

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Speaker 2: things and I say, hey, if somebody wants to down

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Speaker 2: Bill because a defensive coach, I would say, or he

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Speaker 2: had Tom Brady, I would say, how'd they win you know,

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Speaker 2: a third of the championships and in the game in

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Speaker 2: the in the seasons that they got there and put

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Speaker 2: up big numbers in the Super Bowl, how many of

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Speaker 2: those those playoff games that they needed to win did

644
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: they keep the points down? And I think, to me,

645
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: that's why I would I would side with Bill. I

646
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: also think there's something too like keeping that ship so

647
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: tight for so many years, Like you look at what's

648
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: going on in Kansas City right now, and ye have

649
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: Bill had Aaron Hernandez and all that stuff happened, But

650
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: Kansas City it feels like every year there's something now.

651
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: And they could overcome that for sure. But you talk

652
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: about a team that's got all these problems off the field,

653
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: and they also lose Willie Gay this offseason, who was

654
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: a huge part of that defense. You lose Lugeria sneed

655
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: and so works cut out for him. We'll see.

656
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: It's funny. I appreciate you excluding me from the conversation

657
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: about the Patriots have been good for most of your lives. Yeah,

658
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: because I'm old, But dude, I'm fifty three.

659
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: So for you, the team growing up was who that

660
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: you got tired of?

661
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely got tired of. Like in the eighties

662
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: it was it was always the Niners, and then the

663
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: nineties when I started covering the NFL, it was Cowboys Niners,

664
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: Bill's Cowboys. Here's a story you'll appreciate. When we were

665
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: talking about being lonely and being in a press box,

666
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: I remember covering a Patriots game in the middle of

667
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: the season ninety four ninety five. I was a young

668
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: reporter at Sports Illustrated and I like Peter King, who

669
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: is a legend. I'm sure Chris, you know Peter. He

670
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: just had a retirement party that I went to on

671
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: Setaturday night in the city. He had like sent me

672
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: to cover some Patriots game and Chris Slade, former Virginia player,

673
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: I was a great linebacker for the Patriots, and I

674
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: had gotten news he was in the middle of the

675
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: contract dispute. I think Barcels was the coach. He was

676
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: in the middle of the contract dispute in the middle

677
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: of the season. I had gotten news that he was

678
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: going to sign a new deal, and I was like,

679
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game, this is going on.

680
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to confirm it with his agent. I get

681
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: it locked in. I'm writing it in my column. Again,

682
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: this is before the Internet and like Twitter, and like

683
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: I have time to put it in my column for

684
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated and four days later it still wouldn't have

685
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: been broken by the time the magazine comes out. So

686
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: but it's like the Foxboro press box. I'm hungry, the

687
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: night is getting late. I eat a fucking hot dog.

688
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: It's definitely gray, and like it ends up being three

689
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. I met the whatever that Chateau

690
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: Hotel is in Framingham, Massachusetts, and I am like, Hugh,

691
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: can my guts out? Like trying to hot dog? What's that?

692
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: From the hot dog?

693
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: From the hot dog? Like it was like I am

694
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: in such.

695
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: That.

696
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to talk about lonely,

697
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: that is the depth of loneliness.

698
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: I got one. I got one. Here's lonely, same rams,

699
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: you know, two and fourteen, one and fourteen, the whole thing.

700
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: We come out season opener. This is like, you know,

701
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: we're going to put it all together this year. I

702
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: fucking have to have ankle surgery. My ankle got rolled

703
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: up on, all fucked up, so I go go to

704
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: get an MRI. The next morning, we lose the Vikings

705
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: by like thirty. I go get my MRI. They're like, yeah,

706
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: you're done, man, and I get in the car. It's

707
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty degrees and I realized I forgot

708
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: my phone at the MRI spot. And as I go

709
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: to turn around, I noticed my gas is on empty.

710
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: So I run out of fucking gas on the side

711
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: of Highway forty with no phone in a walking boot.

712
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: It's one hundred and twenty degrees and I got a

713
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: wait for triple or whatever it was, dude. I'm sitting there.

714
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is this is rock bottom. This is

715
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: like a football player's rock bottom. No phone, I'm gonna

716
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: get heat exhaustion. I'm on IR and I'm sitting on

717
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: the side of the highway in Saint Louis, people are

718
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: stopping and asking me if I'm Chris Long and saying

719
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: what's wrong with the team, and then pulling off and

720
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: keep it on going, dude. So it's like that to me,

721
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: was your hot dog story in Foxboro? Is my? Is

722
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: my walking boot story? In Saint Louis, we.

723
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 1: Have just written bottom. We've written the greatest country song

724
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: ever just now. And when you just said, you said

725
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: what's wrong with the team, people were stopping you. In

726
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: my head, I saw a big headline in the Saint

727
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: Louis Post Dispatch with a big picture of you on

728
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: the side of the road to the walking boot, and

729
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: it just said, what's wrong with Long?

730
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: What's wrong with Long? A lot is wrong with Long, dude.

731
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the end for me in

732
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: Saint Louis. It culminated with the US skin beat by

733
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: the Bucks in our color rush, all yellow uniforms in

734
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: front of fifteen thousand at there were Jonestone. Yeah.

735
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: It was like, it's the reverse Tony Romo. Tony Remo

736
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: was stopping helping people change a tire. Chris is over

737
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 3: here in a walking boot talking about I can't go anywhere.

738
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: Just I'm like, yeah, can I get a ride like, NA,

739
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: can you tell me what.

740
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: You've been through? You've been through coaching changes and so,

741
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: you know, especially obviously with the RAMS most most specifically

742
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: a lot of coaching changes in the NFL every year,

743
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: sometimes during the season. How important is it when a

744
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: new coach comes into a team that's clearly sick of

745
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: it's current leadership.

746
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: Just a golden opportunity because if you can be the

747
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: rebound guy off of a guy that everybody hated. Man,

748
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: whatever you do, people are gonna, you know, soak it

749
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: up like a sponge immediately. Know what you have to do, though,

750
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: is show results. It doesn't have to be winning immediately,

751
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: but what you have to do is show the little

752
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: results week to week where the light bulbs are going

753
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: off in people's head and saying, oh, this is different,

754
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, the scheme's different. You know, the way

755
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: you're taking care of us is different, the whole thing.

756
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: So I think it's a big, big opportunity for a

757
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: coach to follow, like when Doug followed Urban Meyer. It's

758
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: a fucking layout. You know, I've won a super Bowl.

759
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: You know this last guy was a clown. You know,

760
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: you can walk in a building and be. I think

761
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: it's harder obviously for a guy like Draw Mayo, man,

762
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: you know where I can't tell if people are gonna

763
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: be patient because they understand, or if they're going to

764
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: be really impatient because they're Patriots fans and you and

765
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: Simon's nodding, and I would I would agree it would

766
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: be the latter. But it is interesting when you look

767
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: at these vacancies and Ben Johnson talking about you know,

768
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: why he didn't take a job is very interesting, right,

769
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: and he's playing the odds and he's handicapping guys and

770
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: he's saying, you know, there's going to be five of

771
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: these guys who are going to be out of jobs

772
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: in the next three years, and so it really speaks

773
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: to how selective you have to be when you take

774
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: these jobs. But I think what's unfortunate for NFL coaches

775
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: is they've been working their whole lives. So you tell

776
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: a guy who's been working for twenty five years in

777
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: an industry, sleeping on the couch and shoveling shit, that

778
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: he shouldn't take a job because he's going to follow

779
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: somebody who's set an unrealistic bar, or that the the

780
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: GM's not a great GM or you know the cash

781
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: situation is fucked up in a particular place, like guys

782
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 2: are going to jump at the opportunity to take jobs,

783
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: and not all of them are equal, and not all

784
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: the situations, as you put it, are as easy to

785
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: walk into.

786
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: Simon, can you name the fastest growing ticketing app in

787
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: the United States?

788
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 2: Game Time?

789
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: That's right, It's game Time. I love Game Time for

790
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: two reasons. First, they still sponsor this show. Second, I

791
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: use game Time all the time. They have amazing last

792
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: minute deals, including pro in college sports. I'm actually opening

793
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: the game Time app right now from my house here

794
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Guess what the hottest team in baseball the

795
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: New York Yankees. I can get into see them for

796
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: thirty bucks. No matter where you live, download the game

797
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: Time app. Get out have some fun this week. You

798
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: deserve it. You can redeem code favorites for twenty dollars

799
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: off your first purchase. Terms apply again. Just download the

800
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: game Time app and use code favorites for twenty dollars

801
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: off your first purchase. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed.

802
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: I know Simon has season win total questions. He wants

803
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: your take on.

804
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: Hey, let's do it.

805
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: Want to clear the floor for Simon to get into.

806
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: It on that five of them like every year, and

807
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: then I go like three and two. You know, I

808
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: think that I'd like to just stick to like one

809
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: or two and bet big.

810
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: No, that's the exact opposite. You go with the five

811
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: win three and two. This is the problem, Chris, This

812
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: is the problem with today's culture. Everybody wants to go

813
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: hash that lottery ticket. We're in this for the long haul.

814
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: We want to be able to have money in the

815
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: next year to continue to bet. You're not going to

816
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: hire the landscapers to plow your eighty five acres in

817
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: the middle of Virginia firm country by betting big on

818
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: one season win total.

819
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: You're right, build it up, Steelers.

820
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: There you go, Simon, Simon, go ahead.

821
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: I just want to I would love your Christike on

822
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: this where I feel like I'm on an island with

823
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: all the other professionals that we are all in on

824
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: the fade of Green Bay this upcoming season. And it's

825
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 3: funny here in the media painting Jordan Love with such

826
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: love and such praise after you know, he played all

827
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: right for half a season. But if you go back

828
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: and look at their schedule, you know, the end of

829
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: the season where they snuck by. They beat the Panthers

830
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: thirty three to three, and then the next week they

831
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: beat the Vikings in their fifth string quarterback, and then

832
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: the final week of the year they beat the Bears

833
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: seventeen to nine. Right, Okay, Jordan Love made the playoffs.

834
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: He did great them having a meltdown by Dallas and

835
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: then catching at fort Niners team that was you know,

836
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: sleepwalk in the first half. It's given people this false

837
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: security and this false hope that Jordan Love is the

838
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: next Aaron Rodgers. And this Green Bay team is, you know,

839
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: an easy bet to make the playoffs this year, where

840
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: they fit every criteria of young, inexperienced team that got

841
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: to the playoffs too fast the year before. Now they're

842
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: over nine and a half is a negative number, which

843
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 3: means again, I mean like at minus one forty at

844
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: this point, I can them plus one twenty plus one

845
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: thirty to the under nine and a half clos To me,

846
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: this jumps out as a young team that's just overachieved

847
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: the year before. Now their division's way harder, and it's

848
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: still being talked about as if they're a shoeing to

849
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: get in. I love your view on the screen, people

850
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: love well.

851
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 2: I really liked the team. Like you know, I see

852
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: why people are jumping out of the gym for him.

853
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: When you look at Jordan Love last year, it was

854
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: like sometime in November, they hit a switch and they said, hey,

855
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: you can run the offense. We'll take the training wheels off.

856
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: And he was really good, and I also thought there

857
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: was room for improvement, Like he didn't play great that

858
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: Giants game, but he rebounded it. If you remember, that

859
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: was right off the That was right off the the

860
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: Chiefs game, which I thought was a big boy win

861
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 2: as they had last year, Like I mean that.

862
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: Remember that Saints game, Mean, Chad, we won it by

863
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: a point and a half, but they came back down

864
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: whatever it was two touchdowns. And again they only made

865
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 3: the playoffs by a game. So it's like, that's why

866
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: what would they be if they lose that, they don't

867
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: make the playoffs?

868
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: Wins, win and halts, yeah and yeah, like because then

869
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: you never get to see them play the Cowboys. So

870
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: but also to me, you know, that was a really

871
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: good proving ground for them. I think when you look

872
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: at like their offense. I worry a little bit about

873
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: getting rid of Aaron Jones. What are you going to

874
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: have out of the backfield? Right like Josh Jacobs did

875
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: in the same receiving threat. I think when you look

876
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: at the offensive line, there's experience there. I really like

877
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: the outside the outside guys obviously, right, everybody does. But

878
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: I think Jordan Love's really good and and I think

879
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: the big question mark for them is can they stabilize

880
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: defensively because they have a lot of talent on defense.

881
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: Last year, I think they got them in trouble. Like

882
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: if you look at that Bucks game, the Bucks played

883
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: their best game of the season against those guys.

884
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: The Panthers put up thirty points against Yes, yes this

885
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: is late season Panthers, like when they were just falling apart.

886
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: It's crazy to think that was the game. The gyre

887
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: came out for the coin toss, one of my favorite. Yeah,

888
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: he was like, coach didn't know it was from Charlotte.

889
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: But but but I guess I would just say this,

890
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 2: like a bunch of teams had their best game offensively

891
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: against the Packers, and that's not gonna happen next year,

892
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: you know, at the very least they're gonna get better.

893
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: If you look at their schedule this year, like, yeah,

894
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: it's it's there's no shoe in easy wins. I mean,

895
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm looking. That's the thing about this year that I

896
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: think is funny. There's not a lot of teams I'm like,

897
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: that team's dog shit, you know, like in their division

898
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: for sure, Packer or Bears, Vikings, Lions, the whole thing.

899
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: But they're gonna play the Seahawks out of division. They're

900
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: gonna play the Dolphins out of division. They're gonna play

901
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: the Niners out of division. They're gonna play the Jags

902
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: down there. They're gonna play the Eagles in Brazil. They're

903
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: gonna play the Texans. They're gonna play the Cardinals, who

904
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: are pretty who are gonna be scary you know. I

905
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: don't mean like they're going to make a run, but no,

906
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 2: all the games said that's their easiest game. The Cardinals

907
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 2: are pretty good. That's what I'm trying to drill into people.

908
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: It's like, wins hard this year, Hey, they are.

909
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: The wins are really hard to come by. And when

910
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: you look at their win total, it's not that higher,

911
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: it's not that much higher than the wins they had

912
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 2: last year, and you're like, why wouldn't they get better?

913
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: But this is the NFL, and when you look at

914
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: this year, I do think there's a lot of competitive

915
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: teams or teams that are trying to be competitive, and

916
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: you know, look at the Titans, for instance. I was

917
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: just doing this with the Bears and their win total,

918
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: and like me and Kyle were going, you know, game

919
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: to game, and I was like, yeah, that's a loss.

920
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: Like they're gonna open with the Titans, that's a loss.

921
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: I just don't think people understand. Like people were up

922
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: in arms of Titans like it was such an afterthought

923
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: to them. I'm like, I don't know if you notice this,

924
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: but Titans think they're good this year, and this would

925
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: be the first game of the season and they're gonna

926
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: have a Lugerious Need and Jeffrey Simmons and they're gonna

927
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: have you know, they're going to have a really good

928
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: secondary and Levis has been slinging the ball around. Like

929
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 2: I just don't think people understand. These wins are not free.

930
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: So when you look at win totals, you can't look

931
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: at the number and just be like, yeah, it doesn't

932
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: seem high. You got to look at the schedule, and

933
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: you got to look at you got to look at

934
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: like some of these other teams who have peaked quarterbacks

935
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: who have had a really good season and then the

936
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: next year they kind of come back down to earth.

937
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 2: So I'm probably gonna stay away from the Packers. Man.

938
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: You know, you have one or two that you do like. Well,

939
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: I did like the Steelers, right, I forget what they are?

940
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: A and a half? Yeah, I like the Steelers. What

941
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: are the Texans?

942
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: Steelers? Do you like the Steelers? Over or under?

943
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: Over? Yeah?

944
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: Texans were nine I believe they're nine and a half

945
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: penn at most books now since the Digs.

946
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 2: Trade, Texans are going to win twelve thirteen games. Wow,

947
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: I think the Texans are that good.

948
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: You know, with the target man CJ is running his

949
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 3: mouth right now.

950
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: I think he's different. I really do. I think he's different.

951
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: And I also love the fact that he's like you

952
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: can tell the guy loves ball. Yeah, when you it's

953
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 2: the same way when I watch Michael Parson and Michae

954
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: pissed people off because he talks a lot, but I

955
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: love that, like Micah takes the locker room right to

956
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: the microphone, where like these are the same conversations the

957
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: guys are vehemently arguing over in the locker room, and

958
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: Micah loves it and CJ loves it. I saw him

959
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: the other day talking about Matt Stafford. The way he

960
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: was defending Matt. You know the Leo Gift where he's

961
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: from Once upon a time in Hollywood, Like that's the

962
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 2: way I was. I was like, bro I watched film too,

963
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: Like the other four guys in the room were like

964
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: they were gaslighting him. He was talking about Stafford and

965
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: he was like, Stafford is as good as like Brady

966
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: was at the end of it. And when you watch

967
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: Stafford last year, if you really watched the film, the

968
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: motherfucker was elite. Like you couldn't find me a better

969
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: quarterback going to the playoffs and Matt Stafford and who

970
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: was playing better? And so like, I love watching CJ.

971
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: Shroud get passionate about this stuff and he kind of

972
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: brings the football fan out in me. So I don't

973
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: think I think CJ is going to be fine. I

974
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: think the Texans are a good one. I think the

975
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: Titans might make more noise than people think. I think

976
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: the Cowboys under is a good bet. I don't even

977
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,479
Speaker 2: know what that number is, but it's ten and a half.

978
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: I think it's minus one forty, minus one fifty. Now,

979
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: just because you're right the pros they're agreeing to with

980
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 3: they they've come in on the under on the Cowboys.

981
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what what are the Cowboys? What's their identity?

982
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: What are they good at this year? Like offensively? Right?

983
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 2: And when you talk about their strength subtracting dan Quinn

984
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: and trying to figure that thing out, like I don't

985
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: know that wide receiver corp. If Ceedee Lamb pulls up

986
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: with a hamstring, it's then you know in that running

987
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: back stable is pedestrian. So I look at the Cowboys

988
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: and I say, hey, even if it's like minus one forty,

989
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: I might take the under on the Cowboys. You know,

990
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Bills are, but I think

991
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: people are people are outing them out. I think we're

992
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: about the Jets for that division.

993
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: You feeling good about the Jets at this point with

994
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 3: that division or you're not drinking the kool aid yet.

995
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: Injuries It's just I worry too much about a team

996
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: that last year had a bunch of problems with injuries

997
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: and then thematically.

998
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: Though, Chris, that's good because it usually balances historically.

999
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, injury love.

1000
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's about depth too, right, Like again, Aaron

1001
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: Rodgers forty years old coming off in achilles. If he's got.

1002
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor, Tyrod Taylor, there are boys they have a

1003
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: high floor because they're used to playing in fucked up situations. Yeah,

1004
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: But like even if Aaron stays healthy, you bring in

1005
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 2: Mike Williams, he's had injuries. You bring in Tyron Smith,

1006
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: he's had injuries. You know, you've got a bunch of

1007
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 2: guys coming back off of are And I just think

1008
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: the Jets are too patchworky for me. And last year

1009
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: when they were healthy at the meanning of the season,

1010
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: I said they could go to the super Bowl, Like

1011
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: like I think they were my AFC pick before Aaron

1012
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: Tour's Achilles. But I just think there's so many things

1013
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: that can go wrong from an injury standpoint, and I

1014
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: just don't count the bills out when you have a

1015
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: quarterback like Josh Allen. We've been seeing this happen for

1016
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: a long time where you can't pay the wide receiver

1017
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: and it's an okay deal because you've got a generational

1018
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: talented quarterback. I mean, look at the Chiefs. I'm not

1019
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: saying they're like the Chiefs, but people didn't think the

1020
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: Chiefs are going to be okay after Tyreek Love. There

1021
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: was a faction of people who thought that, and two

1022
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: Super Bowls later, they're just fine. They figured out a

1023
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: way around it because they have that guy. And I

1024
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 2: think when you talk to Brandon Bean, we have Brandon

1025
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: Bean on the show. That offense the second half of

1026
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: the season wasn't running through Diggs, and that's what made

1027
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: it better. You know, they realized that we got this

1028
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: guy kin kid who's like, who's like a real receiving

1029
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: tight end out there. We're going to run this thing

1030
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: through the two tight ends. We're going to get the

1031
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: ball to the backs out of the backfield. You saw

1032
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: a lot of that that h trade stuff they do

1033
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: to really put linebackers in to buying. You know, we're

1034
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: gonna run the ball. Look what they did to the Cowboys.

1035
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: And guess what this Curtis Samuel guy, he was with

1036
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: Joe Brady. And you know this this kid from Florida State,

1037
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: Kean Coleman, we don't know he could be he could

1038
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: be a thousand yard guy, and so that's what they're

1039
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: banking on. We're gonna run the offense through the tight

1040
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: ends and somebody is gonna step up at wide receiver.

1041
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: And how much different is that team? Really? I worry

1042
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: more about the losses of guys like Mitch Morris, uh

1043
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: and and people like that, you know, but I think

1044
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: Sean's gonna be able to figure out defensively, and I

1045
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: would I would look at the Bills total.

1046
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you mentioned the Titans. Simon and

1047
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: I have had this conversation about the Titans plus four

1048
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: and a half against the Bears in Week one, which

1049
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: I like a lot. I think the wise guys are

1050
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: are sort of coming.

1051
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: I keep saying, people, wait, this is gonna hit six.

1052
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 3: It's just gonna keep growing.

1053
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna It's right, it's gonna go up.

1054
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: But the Titans, to me, are an interesting team. You

1055
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: mentioned Jeffrey Simmons and when he is playing, he is

1056
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: an elite, elite defensive lineman, and you mentioned they've improved

1057
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: their defensive backfield. Also, fans don't recognize the impact an

1058
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: offensive line coach like Bill Callahan can have. There is

1059
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: a reason he has had a job for thirty something

1060
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: years in the NFL doing this one thing, going from

1061
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: place to place. There's a reason the Browns were so

1062
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: dominant as a rush team, and people like them no

1063
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: matter who was playing running back. Like, explain what someone

1064
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: like that on a coaching staff, who not a lot

1065
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: of people know, can do for a team.

1066
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: Well, most of the lines are made up of a

1067
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: few guys that you're like, they're not studs. I mean,

1068
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, they're interchangeable. We can you know, there might

1069
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: be a swing guard that you make work or a

1070
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: rookie that And I think what a guy like Bill

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00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: does is he puts people in the right place. And

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00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: when an offensive line is well coached, the ceiling is

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00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: so high. Right, the Eagles O line is a poor example.

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00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: They have a great coach and they have like like

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00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: monsters up front, you know, genetically different cats. But there's

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00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: a lot of really good offensive line coaches. And the

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00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: Patriots and Scar for a long time, they're like, he

1078
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: would make groups of guys that weren't special athletes or

1079
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: you know, necessarily high picks serviceable. And I've seen it happen.

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00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: I've seen it happen with Stout individually, and I've seen

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00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: it happene with Scar and you know, I've hung out

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00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: in Paul Boudreau's OH line room for years when I

1083
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: was in Saint Louis. Like, I know what what it

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00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: looks like when an offensive line is jelled and is

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00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: well coached. And I think, you know, like from a

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00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: Bill Callahan standpoint, they're going to be able to run

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00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: the football right and guys are going to be in

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00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: the right positions to suit their talents. And I think

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00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 2: you know where another group might draft a guy and

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00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: the coach isn't worth his salt, and you might have

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00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: a guy at guard when he should be a tackle,

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00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: or maybe the guy who's a left guard and explaining

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00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: it right guard, or you know, maybe it's a common

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00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: nation of two guys that aren't working well together and

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00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: this guy's seen it all. So I think when you

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00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 2: look at like if there was one position group with

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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: a young quarterback, a second year guy and an infusion

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00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: of talent around him, that you want to just say, hey,

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00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: set it and forget it. Hire a guy like Bill

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00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: and and I think, uh, I think you'll get the results.

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00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: So they're they're total six and a half. I like

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00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: the over on that, I like the I like the

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00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: under on the Giants. I don't love it, but I

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00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: like it. And I'll give you another one. The Chargers

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00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: over eight and a half games, they're going to be

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00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: a better football team than were last year. I don't

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00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: care who they had to shed, because coaching is important

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00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,479
Speaker 2: in this league. And Mars I think they've spent five

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00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: million on the d line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes me a little nervous, a little scary question.

1111
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: But you might be giving up two hundred yards a

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00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 3: game Russian.

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00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: Hey, but what's much different, you know than the people

1114
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: they've been they've been they've been porous, you know, and

1115
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: on defense they've been out of sync. When they've been

1116
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: good on the back end, they're not so good upfront

1117
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: and vice versa. So I just think, more than anything,

1118
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: if you bring in Greg Roman, you run the football,

1119
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: you know, justin Herbert to me is an elite talent.

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00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: He's just got to realize it. And if Hardball can't

1121
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: get it out of him, I mean he got it

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00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: out of Alex Smith, you know what I mean. I

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00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: feel like the Chargers could be, uh could be sneaky

1124
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: this year. So I like Steelers, Chargers you know, if

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00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: I had to, if I had to take an under,

1126
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: it might be the h It might be the Giants,

1127
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: because I just don't feel like the Giants are taking

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00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: it seriously this year. You know. My theory is that

1129
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: they're ready to hire Bill in a year.

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00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting.

1131
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: Well what they do, Like, you know, they didn't go

1132
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: out and get better. It just feels like they're like,

1133
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna eat this Daniel Jones mistake and

1134
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: figure it out in the year.

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00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: Hmm, hear that. But you know it's like, look, everyone

1136
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: thinks everyone last year was like Dave Ball's a genius

1137
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: and uh he was Coach of the Year and look

1138
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: what he did with Daniel Jones. So it's going to

1139
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: be an expensive proposition to get rid of Dayball and

1140
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: then bring in Belichick. But also, boy, that would be

1141
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: James bring it back.

1142
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: Like if they go under on the wind total, they're

1143
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 2: going to fire a table and that's a that's a

1144
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: very I understand the the New England thing, but at

1145
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: least you're going offense to defense. And I think Bill's

1146
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: like a rule breaker where you're like, hey, with his

1147
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: history in New York, I could see that being a

1148
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: romantic idea for them.

1149
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: I think the whispers are Philadelphia Sirianni doesn't work out.

1150
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: Bill apparently got dinner with the owner like whatever. It

1151
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: was three weeks ago.

1152
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: So the rumors, the rumors around here are going crazy

1153
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: about Belichick and the Eagles.

1154
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, seats are a little warmer this year.

1155
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of seats being warm. Before we let you go, Yeah,

1156
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: I want you to respond to some NF coaching cliches,

1157
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: tell us what it really means. We talked about micro

1158
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: Parsons brings the locker room talk to the microphone translate. Uh,

1159
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: he's in the best shape of his life.

1160
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: So it's probably about a guy who hasn't been in

1161
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: the best shape of his life. It's probably a guy

1162
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: who at some point was in a doghouse, although without

1163
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: a little more context, it could be somebody that this

1164
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: is talking about. Jordan Davis on the Eagles. Yeah, it's yeah,

1165
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: this guy's had George. He's in the best shape of

1166
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: his life. Like the elephant in the room is this

1167
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: guy hasn't been able to run in the third quarter

1168
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: other than like running down Josh Allen in the rain

1169
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: against the Bills. Like there's hope, right, there's hope. We've

1170
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: acknowledged the issue. We're working on it. We're running the

1171
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 2: big fella. Don't ask me any more questions about it.

1172
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: This guy makes plays you won't see on the stat sheet.

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01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this one because this is a coach

1174
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: sticking out for a player that might be really integral

1175
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: to what they do on the offensive defensive side of

1176
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: the ball, but fans might not understand. And maybe there's

1177
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 2: some heat, whether it's a draft pick or a guy

1178
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: who earned a big contract where he's not producing from

1179
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: a statistical standpoint. You know, I was always a big

1180
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: pressure disruption guy, you know, and sometimes I didn't get home.

1181
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: So I loved it when a coach would actually point

1182
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: out the fact that, like, hey, when Robert Quinn made

1183
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: that play, it was Chris or you know. That's that's

1184
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: a coach sticking up for a player that might not

1185
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: always show up on the stat sheet and the way

1186
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: that fans want them to.

1187
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: All Right, Last one, we have to trust the process.

1188
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: Things aren't good. Things are not good. But I don't

1189
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 2: have another answer for you. We're just going to keep

1190
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: doing the thing that I know how to do and

1191
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 2: that I said I do because I don't have another

1192
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: plan and please be patient with us.

1193
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you're saying. Like when you're Brian Dayball

1194
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: in week ten.

1195
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 2: Seven, you can only say that year two though of

1196
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 2: your tenure. After year two, you can't trust the process anymore.

1197
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?

1198
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: No, totally, there's no patience. There is no process after

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01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: year two. The process after year two is you blow

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01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: it up.

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1202
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:43,240
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