WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Pauline Storment 0:00:08.285 --> 0:00:09.605 School of Humans. 0:00:13.405 --> 0:00:16.885 It was April twelfth, nineteen seventy one. A twenty seven 0:00:16.965 --> 0:00:20.125 year old woman named Pauline Stormant was walking down South 0:00:20.205 --> 0:00:23.285 Duncan Avenue in Fayetteville, Arkansas, just a few blocks from 0:00:23.325 --> 0:00:27.245 her apartment. She didn't know that someone was following her 0:00:27.325 --> 0:00:31.245 in the darkness. Pauline worked two part time jobs, one 0:00:31.365 --> 0:00:33.805 is a cashier at the Malco Theater and another as 0:00:33.845 --> 0:00:36.805 a secretary at the ROTC Center on the University of 0:00:36.885 --> 0:00:40.805 Arkansas campus. Pauline had recently started going back to school 0:00:40.805 --> 0:00:43.925 as a mature student. She enrolled as a sophomore at 0:00:43.965 --> 0:00:46.485 the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville, where she was a 0:00:46.485 --> 0:00:51.125 social welfare major. Pauline had a roommate, Alice pat Murphy. 0:00:52.485 --> 0:00:57.205 Pat later told the authorities that Pauline wasn't dating anyone. Actually, 0:00:57.245 --> 0:00:59.645 Pauline spent most of her free time hitting the books. 0:00:59.965 --> 0:01:02.565 She was very focused on schoolwork, which meant that she 0:01:02.645 --> 0:01:06.525 was often pulling late nights at the library. On that night, 0:01:06.605 --> 0:01:09.845 on April twelfth, Pauline did a shift at the ROTC. 0:01:10.725 --> 0:01:13.205 While she was there, she mentioned to a coworker that 0:01:13.245 --> 0:01:16.965 she might go to a gospel concert later, but she 0:01:17.045 --> 0:01:18.725 ended up going to the library to study. 0:01:19.565 --> 0:01:19.845 Now. 0:01:19.885 --> 0:01:23.605 According to her roommate, Pauline's regular routine would have had 0:01:23.605 --> 0:01:26.165 her coming home at around ten thirty or eleven PM, 0:01:26.925 --> 0:01:29.885 but something made her lead the library a little earlier 0:01:29.925 --> 0:01:33.405 that night, around nine thirty pm. And then while she 0:01:33.485 --> 0:01:36.045 was walking, when she was just a few blocks from 0:01:36.045 --> 0:01:40.365 her apartment, someone came out of that darkness and attacked Pauline, 0:01:41.005 --> 0:01:44.245 stabbing her over and over eight times in all, in 0:01:44.285 --> 0:01:47.965 a frenzied attack that lasted several minutes. It was a 0:01:48.005 --> 0:01:50.885 hot night, a lot of people had their windows open, 0:01:51.485 --> 0:01:54.725 and at nine forty five pm when Pauline started screaming, 0:01:55.085 --> 0:01:57.405 a lot of people in the area heard her screaming, 0:01:57.925 --> 0:02:01.325 and there were several witnesses who saw a man come 0:02:01.405 --> 0:02:05.765 up behind her. But despite that, Pauline's killer is escaped 0:02:05.805 --> 0:02:09.405 into the night. And even though the police have questioned 0:02:09.445 --> 0:02:12.525 tons of people, lots of theories have been explored over 0:02:12.525 --> 0:02:16.885 the years, and there was one arrest, Pauline's killer has 0:02:17.005 --> 0:02:21.565 never been found. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past five 0:02:21.645 --> 0:02:25.005 years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone, I've 0:02:25.085 --> 0:02:27.885 learned there's no such thing as a small town where 0:02:27.965 --> 0:02:32.125 murder never happens. I've received hundreds of messages from people 0:02:32.205 --> 0:02:35.085 all around the country asking for help with an unsolved 0:02:35.165 --> 0:02:39.165 murder that's affected them, their families, and their communities. 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She had been stabbed in the arm, 0:03:54.045 --> 0:03:57.485 the chest, and the stomach. Investigators said the murder weapon 0:03:57.605 --> 0:04:00.485 was a knife like a butcher knife, around six to 0:04:00.525 --> 0:04:04.685 eight inches long, and they believed serrated on both sides. 0:04:05.485 --> 0:04:08.085 The police did not find the murder weapon at the scene, 0:04:08.405 --> 0:04:11.725 but several days later, the sheriff did find a butcher 0:04:11.765 --> 0:04:14.525 knife that was stabbed into the ground behind an apartment 0:04:14.565 --> 0:04:17.205 complex that was across the street from where Pauline lived. 0:04:18.045 --> 0:04:20.885 They sent that knife in for testing, but I haven't 0:04:20.885 --> 0:04:23.245 been able to figure out what, if anything, happened with 0:04:23.325 --> 0:04:26.125 that weapon. A lot of people doubted that that butcher 0:04:26.205 --> 0:04:28.165 knife had been the weapon in the first place, because 0:04:28.165 --> 0:04:31.325 it wasn't serrated. But as far as I know, and 0:04:31.405 --> 0:04:33.885 there is a lot of information missing in this case, 0:04:34.245 --> 0:04:36.645 there was nothing conclusive, ever proven one way. 0:04:36.605 --> 0:04:36.965 Or the other. 0:04:38.045 --> 0:04:41.725 Sadly, that knife, along with a ton of other evidence, 0:04:41.765 --> 0:04:42.445 has been lost. 0:04:42.885 --> 0:04:47.685 We'll get to that later. Side note. 0:04:47.805 --> 0:04:50.325 While I was working on Gail Vaut's case, which we 0:04:50.365 --> 0:04:53.085 covered a couple of weeks back, as part of that, 0:04:53.605 --> 0:04:56.605 we started looking around for other unsolved murders in the 0:04:56.605 --> 0:05:01.565 same area of Arkansas. Even though Pauline's murder happened nine 0:05:01.645 --> 0:05:05.205 years earlier than Gail's murder in nineteen eighty, I couldn't 0:05:05.245 --> 0:05:09.125 help but be struck by Pauline's case because, even though 0:05:09.125 --> 0:05:12.965 them was completely different for Pauline and Gail, Gail was 0:05:12.965 --> 0:05:15.445 shot in the head and appeared to have been sexually assaulted, 0:05:15.765 --> 0:05:19.045 while Pauline was stabbed in a semi public area both 0:05:19.085 --> 0:05:22.605 women were tall with shoulder linked brown hair, and both 0:05:22.685 --> 0:05:23.725 cases were unsolved. 0:05:25.085 --> 0:05:25.965 I want to be cleared. 0:05:26.005 --> 0:05:28.685 Nothing in the evidence I've seen indicates these cases are 0:05:28.685 --> 0:05:33.205 connected in any way. The mos were completely different. Gail 0:05:33.325 --> 0:05:34.805 was shot in the head and appeared to have been 0:05:34.805 --> 0:05:40.725 sexually assaulted. Pauline was stabbed in a semi public area. 0:05:40.925 --> 0:05:43.605 Amy reached out to a member of Pauline's family named 0:05:43.685 --> 0:05:47.965 Lance Gosnell. His great grandmother is Pauline's aunt, so he's 0:05:48.005 --> 0:05:51.405 her cousin and he's been hearing about Pauline's story about 0:05:51.405 --> 0:05:54.405 this famous unsolved murder in his family for a long time, 0:05:54.445 --> 0:05:57.045 since he was very young. A few years ago, he 0:05:57.125 --> 0:06:00.285 decided to try and find answers. He started writing about 0:06:00.285 --> 0:06:04.125 the case. The website is at who Murdered Pauline dot 0:06:04.165 --> 0:06:08.645 WordPress dot com, and he's compiled a tremendous amount of 0:06:08.645 --> 0:06:10.965 evidence over the years that he's collected a lot of 0:06:10.965 --> 0:06:15.405 it through Foyer requests. Pauline Stormant was born on April third, 0:06:15.485 --> 0:06:19.165 nineteen forty four, in Ozark, Arkansas, and her family her 0:06:19.205 --> 0:06:21.245 mom and dad were still living in Ozark when she 0:06:21.325 --> 0:06:25.085 died from a young age. Her family described her as 0:06:25.125 --> 0:06:28.765 someone who was very serious, pretty quiet, and liked to study. 0:06:29.205 --> 0:06:31.725 She was not a drinker or a partier in high school, 0:06:31.965 --> 0:06:34.045 and it seemed to be pretty much the same story 0:06:34.045 --> 0:06:38.805 in college. After she graduated from high school, she attended 0:06:38.885 --> 0:06:42.845 Arkansas Tech University in Russellville. She finished her freshman year 0:06:42.845 --> 0:06:45.485 there and after that she left school and started doing 0:06:45.565 --> 0:06:50.605 some secretarial work. So one thing about Pauline's stormant her 0:06:50.685 --> 0:06:54.365 studies and her work life are pretty well documented. Her 0:06:54.405 --> 0:06:56.645 personal life is much more of a mystery. 0:06:57.365 --> 0:06:58.805 There are some years. 0:06:58.605 --> 0:07:01.605 Between when she was twenty one and twenty seven where 0:07:01.645 --> 0:07:05.085 we don't know a lot about her personal relationships. When 0:07:05.085 --> 0:07:07.485 she was twenty one years old, in nineteen sixty five, 0:07:07.685 --> 0:07:10.605 Pauline got married to a man named Charles Joseph Pate. 0:07:11.325 --> 0:07:13.645 A lot of their relationship, as we said, is a mystery, 0:07:14.245 --> 0:07:17.365 but we do know that whatever happened between them apparently 0:07:17.405 --> 0:07:20.645 did not end very well. Charles and Pauline lived in 0:07:20.685 --> 0:07:23.525 Memphis for a while. While Pauline was in Memphis, she 0:07:23.565 --> 0:07:25.685 taught first aid for the Red Cross as well as 0:07:25.685 --> 0:07:29.045 doing some secretarial work. Again, a lot of the history 0:07:29.085 --> 0:07:32.245 about Pauline in this case was provided by her cousin Lance. 0:07:32.605 --> 0:07:35.605 One other thing that jumps out in my mind is 0:07:36.365 --> 0:07:39.285 the records show that she was married to a man 0:07:39.365 --> 0:07:44.845 named Charles Pate. The marriage didn't last long. I can't 0:07:44.885 --> 0:07:49.285 find a door forced certificate, but she had mentioned to 0:07:49.445 --> 0:07:52.845 a roommate who she had lived with when she was 0:07:52.885 --> 0:07:56.605 either in Memphis or Atlanta, that she was deathly afraid 0:07:56.605 --> 0:07:57.445 of her ex husband. 0:07:59.125 --> 0:08:02.445 So Pauline and Charles were estranged, but according to her 0:08:02.445 --> 0:08:06.165 family and to court records, they may not have beneficially divorced. 0:08:06.805 --> 0:08:11.005 So in nineteen seventy one, Pauline was at the University 0:08:11.045 --> 0:08:13.925 of Arkansas. She had put her studies on hold while 0:08:13.965 --> 0:08:16.685 she was married to Charles, but once Pauline got the 0:08:16.765 --> 0:08:19.525 chance to complete her education, she seemed to really throw 0:08:19.525 --> 0:08:23.965 herself into it. Information from a foyer request from an 0:08:24.005 --> 0:08:28.925 old police report shows that Pauline's former roommate, the one 0:08:29.005 --> 0:08:31.765 who Lance was referring to, who she had lived with 0:08:31.805 --> 0:08:35.565 in Memphis. That woman's name was Iris Fletcher. She was 0:08:35.605 --> 0:08:38.405 the one who talked about Pauline's fear of her ex husband. 0:08:39.125 --> 0:08:43.525 But apparently police ruled out Charles fairly early. I don't 0:08:43.565 --> 0:08:45.965 know why I have really tried to figure that out, 0:08:45.965 --> 0:08:47.965 but I don't have a lot of information about the 0:08:48.005 --> 0:08:51.605 investigation because a lot of the case file is gone 0:08:51.645 --> 0:08:53.765 over the years, a lot of the evidence and a 0:08:53.805 --> 0:08:57.645 lot of the pages have been lost. But apparently he 0:08:57.685 --> 0:09:00.525 attended the funeral, was cooperative with the police, and was 0:09:00.565 --> 0:09:06.525 cleared early. Pauline's college roommate passed the one who said 0:09:06.525 --> 0:09:09.805 that Pauline didn't date that much. Was asked by police 0:09:09.845 --> 0:09:12.845 if anything strange had happened on the day Pauline was murdered, 0:09:13.325 --> 0:09:15.445 and she said, yes, there was one. 0:09:15.245 --> 0:09:16.845 Thing that was out of the ordinary. 0:09:17.765 --> 0:09:21.325 She said that at around two pm that afternoon, apparently 0:09:21.405 --> 0:09:25.445 two men who were described as white men, young guys 0:09:25.565 --> 0:09:29.765 who Pauline and her roommate didn't know, invited Pauline and 0:09:29.805 --> 0:09:32.645 pat for drinks. The two women said no thanks and 0:09:32.685 --> 0:09:35.845 didn't take them up on their offer. Later, the two 0:09:35.965 --> 0:09:38.725 men reportedly went toward the residence of a guy named 0:09:38.725 --> 0:09:43.525 Gordon Cummings. Gordon Cummings with someone who we know Pauline 0:09:43.525 --> 0:09:46.325 had been introduced to. She knew him, but we don't 0:09:46.365 --> 0:09:48.685 know how well she knew him, and that will be 0:09:48.725 --> 0:09:51.325 the case with a lot of these relationships. Trying to 0:09:51.365 --> 0:09:54.325 figure out exactly how these people were related and connected 0:09:54.365 --> 0:09:59.165 each other is a huge part of this. We all 0:09:59.245 --> 0:10:02.925 know that sometimes in these cases, these tiny little details 0:10:02.925 --> 0:10:05.445 that we know are true and am using air quotes 0:10:05.565 --> 0:10:08.765 there turn out to be slightly wrong, and those slightly 0:10:08.805 --> 0:10:12.165 wrong details can multiply over the years and turn into 0:10:12.205 --> 0:10:13.645 a much larger distortion. 0:10:13.765 --> 0:10:16.605 We've seen this happen over and over with so many cases. 0:10:17.005 --> 0:10:20.645 Facts are wrong from the beginning, and they're repeated wrong 0:10:20.725 --> 0:10:24.965 over the years. At the same time, though, sometimes tiny 0:10:25.005 --> 0:10:27.845 details are left out and you never know which ones 0:10:27.925 --> 0:10:32.925 could lead to cracking the case. Jane Jones wrote a long, 0:10:33.165 --> 0:10:36.125 very in depth article about this case in Ay about 0:10:36.205 --> 0:10:37.845 U magazine back in twenty twenty. 0:10:38.365 --> 0:10:40.765 She pointed out that it was a full moon that night. 0:10:41.205 --> 0:10:44.285 This was something that had appeared in some early news reports, 0:10:44.605 --> 0:10:47.565 and that detail supposedly meant that Pauline could be seen 0:10:47.605 --> 0:10:51.965 by the witnesses that night. But actually, because I obsess 0:10:52.005 --> 0:10:54.405 over these things, I went back and found out actually 0:10:54.485 --> 0:10:55.925 the moon wasn't full that night. 0:10:56.005 --> 0:10:57.445 It was a waning gibbous moon. 0:10:58.005 --> 0:11:00.205 Not that that makes any difference in the context of 0:11:00.205 --> 0:11:03.845 the investigation at all, because actually a waning gibbus is 0:11:03.885 --> 0:11:05.765 almost a full moon. It's actually the part of the 0:11:05.845 --> 0:11:08.925 lunar phase right after the moon is full. It would 0:11:08.925 --> 0:11:11.565 be almost as light as a full moon out there, 0:11:12.125 --> 0:11:15.405 but probably a little bit less poetic in a newspaper article, 0:11:15.805 --> 0:11:18.045 And I'm bringing this up just to illustrate it's one 0:11:18.165 --> 0:11:22.205 tiny example of something we thought we knew wrong. Information 0:11:22.245 --> 0:11:25.765 gets repeated over the years, and sometimes it multiplies. So 0:11:25.845 --> 0:11:27.885 I'm really trying to go back and take a look 0:11:27.925 --> 0:11:30.205 at every single piece of information that we have and 0:11:30.725 --> 0:11:33.405 try to understand if we really know everything that we 0:11:33.445 --> 0:11:40.165 think we know. Police were trying to figure out what 0:11:40.245 --> 0:11:43.565 Pauline's plans had been that night, to see if, other 0:11:43.605 --> 0:11:45.965 than the two guys asking her in her roommate to 0:11:46.005 --> 0:11:48.605 have drinks, anything else oude of the ordinary had happened. 0:11:49.605 --> 0:11:52.285 Police talked to a woman named Terry Keating. Now Terry 0:11:52.725 --> 0:11:55.965 worked with Pauline at the ROTC office. She said she 0:11:56.005 --> 0:11:58.925 had seen Pauline at around seven thirty pm and that 0:11:59.005 --> 0:12:02.725 Pauline had mentioned something about a gospel concert hosted by 0:12:02.725 --> 0:12:06.525 a group called Black Americans for Democracy. This concert was 0:12:06.565 --> 0:12:08.805 going to be held at the Union Ballroom, a building 0:12:08.845 --> 0:12:12.245 that was basically very close right next door to the ROTC. 0:12:12.405 --> 0:12:15.005 Building. It started at eight pm. 0:12:15.445 --> 0:12:19.445 But whether Pauline attended that concert or not is still 0:12:19.525 --> 0:12:22.765 kind of a question mark because some reports say she 0:12:22.925 --> 0:12:25.605 was planning to go. Other media reports say she told 0:12:25.605 --> 0:12:27.685 someone she had a class or a conflict and she 0:12:27.685 --> 0:12:31.925 could not attend. Lance pointed out something interesting on his website. 0:12:31.965 --> 0:12:35.605 He said that we're talking about nineteen seventy one Arkansas, 0:12:36.085 --> 0:12:39.125 and he was speculating, but he said, could some racist 0:12:39.205 --> 0:12:42.045 person have taken offense at a white woman planning to 0:12:42.085 --> 0:12:44.765 go to this concert where there were going to be 0:12:44.805 --> 0:12:46.045 a lot of black singers? 0:12:46.725 --> 0:12:49.405 Total speculation, but given the political. 0:12:48.925 --> 0:12:51.685 Climate at the time, I do think it's something that 0:12:51.965 --> 0:12:55.205 police would have to consider. But there was no evidence 0:12:55.245 --> 0:12:58.285 that this was ever a factor. So whether or not 0:12:58.445 --> 0:13:02.205 Pauline made it to that concert. Eventually, after she worked 0:13:02.245 --> 0:13:07.325 her shift at the ROTC, she ended up at the library. 0:13:08.125 --> 0:13:11.365 She was seen by multiple witnesses there, but then she 0:13:11.565 --> 0:13:15.725 left suddenly. We don't know exactly what time, but by 0:13:15.765 --> 0:13:19.605 tracing her route, she must have headed outside at around 0:13:19.645 --> 0:13:20.285 nine point thirty. 0:13:21.085 --> 0:13:23.005 So why did she leave early? 0:13:23.405 --> 0:13:26.565 Was it a coincidence or did she see something or 0:13:26.685 --> 0:13:31.045 someone there that bothered her? After she left the library, 0:13:31.085 --> 0:13:34.605 Pauline's root would have taken her south along Duncan Avenue. 0:13:34.685 --> 0:13:36.045 She was walking pretty. 0:13:35.765 --> 0:13:38.285 Slowly and carefully because she had a big stack of 0:13:38.285 --> 0:13:41.285 books in her hands. So again I'm betting that she 0:13:41.365 --> 0:13:44.645 headed straight home because she was balancing lots of school books. 0:13:45.885 --> 0:13:48.565 She was at the intersection of Duncan Avenue and Treadwell 0:13:48.565 --> 0:13:54.085 Streets when her attacker struck. The vicious attack happened very quickly, 0:13:54.605 --> 0:13:58.085 and then her attacker left the scene on foot. Another 0:13:58.205 --> 0:14:00.525 thing that we know for sure in this case is 0:14:00.565 --> 0:14:03.125 the time of death. We know she was screaming at 0:14:03.205 --> 0:14:06.405 nine forty five pm because several people heard her at 0:14:06.405 --> 0:14:09.085 the same time. One of them was twenty four year 0:14:09.125 --> 0:14:12.165 old Jack Huff. He lived at the Summit Terraces apartments, 0:14:12.165 --> 0:14:15.485 which were nearby. He said when he heard that scream, 0:14:15.845 --> 0:14:19.685 he ran downstairs and he saw Pauline kind of staggering 0:14:19.765 --> 0:14:24.045 toward him and holding her stomach. He told the police 0:14:24.085 --> 0:14:27.245 that Pauline said someone hit her in the chest, and 0:14:27.365 --> 0:14:30.245 that she said someone was following her, someone who was 0:14:30.245 --> 0:14:35.365 wearing glasses. Another witness named Mike Adare, also lived nearby. 0:14:36.205 --> 0:14:38.885 He said he'd actually seen Pauline before the attack. 0:14:38.925 --> 0:14:39.325 Happened. 0:14:39.765 --> 0:14:42.365 He said he was driving home and at the corner 0:14:42.405 --> 0:14:45.005 of Duncan and Center, right where she got attacked, He 0:14:45.045 --> 0:14:47.965 said he saw her carrying some really heavy books and 0:14:48.005 --> 0:14:48.565 he saw a. 0:14:48.525 --> 0:14:49.405 Man following her. 0:14:50.565 --> 0:14:54.365 Two other men, Gary Gammel and Joe Clifton, were driving 0:14:54.485 --> 0:14:57.525 in separate cars north on South Duncan and they were 0:14:57.565 --> 0:15:01.245 approaching that same intersection. Joe also lived at the Summit 0:15:01.325 --> 0:15:05.405 Terrace apartment complex. He told investigators that he also saw 0:15:05.645 --> 0:15:09.125 man following Pauline. He said he noticed she was carrying 0:15:09.165 --> 0:15:12.005 some heavy books and he thought about asking her if 0:15:12.045 --> 0:15:14.605 she wanted a lift, but in the end he didn't. 0:15:14.965 --> 0:15:17.805 Then a few seconds later, he said he heard the scream. 0:15:18.445 --> 0:15:22.165 He heard her screaming, help me. So Joe and Gary 0:15:22.205 --> 0:15:25.205 are also there in their cars. They both rushed up 0:15:25.245 --> 0:15:28.285 to the scene. Gary said that from his point of view, 0:15:28.565 --> 0:15:30.965 he saw Pauline collapse to the ground. He said when 0:15:31.005 --> 0:15:33.885 he looked around, he saw her books and her personal 0:15:33.885 --> 0:15:36.805 belongings on the ground, but he didn't see anyone else. 0:15:37.325 --> 0:15:40.165 He said when he saw Pauline, she was holding her chest. 0:15:40.645 --> 0:15:43.645 He approached her and when he got closer he could 0:15:43.685 --> 0:15:45.645 see that she was lying half in the yard and 0:15:45.685 --> 0:15:48.405 half in the street. He said that her white skirt 0:15:48.485 --> 0:15:52.565 in one of her arms were completely soaked blood. Joe 0:15:52.605 --> 0:15:55.085 said that he asked Pauline if the man that was 0:15:55.165 --> 0:15:56.125 following her did this. 0:15:57.645 --> 0:15:58.605 She told him yes. 0:15:59.685 --> 0:16:01.925 He then started trying to help her, asking where her 0:16:01.965 --> 0:16:05.085 cuts were and which way the man went, but he 0:16:05.125 --> 0:16:08.205 said it. At this point, Pauline didn't know where the 0:16:08.245 --> 0:16:10.845 man went, and she was kind of slipping in and 0:16:10.845 --> 0:16:20.165 out of consciousness. She kept asking for her books. Detectives 0:16:20.165 --> 0:16:23.765 did find Pauline's black purse with her wallet and ID 0:16:23.925 --> 0:16:27.165 in it near her body. They took it in for testing, 0:16:27.245 --> 0:16:29.485 but only found one set of fingerprints, and it turned 0:16:29.485 --> 0:16:32.685 out that they were Pauline's, so police knew it was 0:16:32.805 --> 0:16:35.845 unlikely the killer's motive had been robbery. It didn't seem 0:16:35.885 --> 0:16:38.645 like they grabbed for her purse at all. They were 0:16:38.685 --> 0:16:43.405 trying to hurt her, not take her stuff. Police asked 0:16:43.445 --> 0:16:46.285 all four witnesses some detailed questions about the man that 0:16:46.325 --> 0:16:49.885 they said they saw following Pauline. Mike Adair said the 0:16:49.885 --> 0:16:52.525 man following Pauline was wearing a brown sport coat and 0:16:52.605 --> 0:16:55.925 had blonde or dirty blonde hair, around five ten to 0:16:55.965 --> 0:16:59.445 six feet tall and wearing glasses. So the police did 0:16:59.445 --> 0:17:03.445 a sketch according to these guys descriptions and in the 0:17:03.605 --> 0:17:06.125 end it's kind of random. But this sketch, a lot 0:17:06.165 --> 0:17:08.765 of people pointed out, kind of looked like the Zodiac Killer. 0:17:09.485 --> 0:17:12.085 By the way, no, there was no evidence the Zodiac 0:17:12.165 --> 0:17:16.205 Killer was ever involved, So like the Zodiac Killer sketch, 0:17:16.645 --> 0:17:19.725 the sketch in Pauline's case was pretty generic. No one 0:17:19.725 --> 0:17:22.805 had actually seen this man's face, so it was a 0:17:22.845 --> 0:17:26.685 sketch of a guy with slicked back hair and glasses, again, 0:17:27.125 --> 0:17:29.325 a pretty common look on a college campus. 0:17:29.685 --> 0:17:31.005 This guy could have been anyone. 0:17:31.725 --> 0:17:34.485 When Mike was asked about the police sketch, he said, yes, 0:17:34.525 --> 0:17:36.925 it did look similar to the man he saw, but 0:17:37.165 --> 0:17:38.925 he pointed out that the hair of the guy he 0:17:38.965 --> 0:17:42.005 saw was messier, not slick back like on that sketch. 0:17:43.405 --> 0:17:47.365 There were two other potential witnesses, Robert Spray and John Hall. 0:17:48.525 --> 0:17:51.885 These guys lived nearby at twelve South Hill Street. They 0:17:51.965 --> 0:17:53.685 said they had seen a man who could have been 0:17:53.685 --> 0:17:55.965 involved in the crime because the guy kind of fit 0:17:56.005 --> 0:17:58.885 the description of the assailant. He had a sport code on. 0:17:59.245 --> 0:18:01.885 He was described as being medium height with a slight build. 0:18:02.365 --> 0:18:04.645 They said that this guy was kind of stumbling around 0:18:04.765 --> 0:18:07.605 like he was drunk, but they didn't have a lot 0:18:07.645 --> 0:18:09.645 to go on. They didn't have a description of the car, 0:18:10.085 --> 0:18:13.405 and in the end police never definitively found that person, 0:18:13.885 --> 0:18:16.565 so it seemed to be a dead end. So police 0:18:16.605 --> 0:18:19.085 had no idea what the motive had been, but they 0:18:19.125 --> 0:18:22.965 did have potentially four different people who said they definitively 0:18:23.045 --> 0:18:26.885 saw the killer, but their descriptions differed slightly, which of 0:18:26.885 --> 0:18:30.165 course is not uncommon in a case like this, but 0:18:30.285 --> 0:18:33.165 they did all agree on one thing. Pauline had been 0:18:33.205 --> 0:18:37.525 attacked by one person, one man, who stabbed her multiple times, 0:18:38.165 --> 0:18:40.485 and they said that man had been following her and 0:18:40.565 --> 0:18:43.085 was able to get very close to her before he pounced. 0:18:45.125 --> 0:18:48.005 Because of where Pauline's injuries were, the fact that she 0:18:48.045 --> 0:18:50.685 had stab wounds on the front of her body, police 0:18:50.725 --> 0:18:53.205 figured out she had turned around to face her attacker, 0:18:54.005 --> 0:18:57.485 so they wondered was it someone she knew, Was that 0:18:57.725 --> 0:19:01.605 how they were able to get that close, or were 0:19:01.645 --> 0:19:04.325 they just really fast and could they have snuck up 0:19:04.325 --> 0:19:08.405 on her that quickly. The police admitted they didn't know 0:19:08.405 --> 0:19:12.005 if this had been someone fixated on Pauline specifically, or 0:19:12.205 --> 0:19:16.645 someone targeting women totally randomly, or even possibly a case 0:19:16.645 --> 0:19:20.525 of mistaken identity. Because it was pretty dark it was night, 0:19:20.925 --> 0:19:23.645 none of the men who saw this stranger were that close, 0:19:24.245 --> 0:19:27.805 so even though there were multiple witnesses, not a single 0:19:27.845 --> 0:19:30.765 one got a good look at the killer's face. But 0:19:30.845 --> 0:19:34.245 police did know one thing that was such a vicious attack. 0:19:34.885 --> 0:19:38.765 The person who stabbed Pauline would have blood on their clothing, 0:19:39.645 --> 0:19:42.765 so police canvassed the area. They were looking for a 0:19:42.845 --> 0:19:46.725 suspect covered in blood, and it wasn't long before they 0:19:46.765 --> 0:19:50.765 found one. A few minutes after the stabbing, police were 0:19:50.805 --> 0:19:54.005 cruising the area when two officers saw two young men 0:19:54.045 --> 0:19:57.885 sitting on a bench. According to a very good article 0:19:57.925 --> 0:20:01.205 in Master Detective magazine from nineteen seventy four, they were 0:20:01.205 --> 0:20:03.525 around five blocks away from the crime scene when they 0:20:03.565 --> 0:20:06.005 saw these guys. One of them was so seventeen year 0:20:06.045 --> 0:20:09.445 old Wallace Peter Cunkle. So the police start talking to 0:20:09.485 --> 0:20:12.565 these guys and apparently they told the officers that they 0:20:12.565 --> 0:20:15.565 were just hanging around. They were supposed to have had 0:20:15.645 --> 0:20:18.005 dates with two girls, but they'd been stood up. But 0:20:18.085 --> 0:20:20.885 when police asked them for more details, the guys said 0:20:20.885 --> 0:20:23.445 they didn't even know these girls' names, which honestly seems 0:20:23.485 --> 0:20:25.645 a little bit strange to me that they wouldn't even 0:20:25.685 --> 0:20:28.525 have a first name. But apparently the police thought this 0:20:28.565 --> 0:20:32.365 story was believable. As the detective was talking to Peter Cunkle, 0:20:32.445 --> 0:20:36.365 he noticed some dark spots on his white shirt, jacket, 0:20:36.405 --> 0:20:41.045 and trousers. Later it was determined those were blood. When 0:20:41.085 --> 0:20:43.645 the officer asked Peter why he had blood on his clothes, 0:20:43.965 --> 0:20:47.725 Peter said he'd had a nosebleed recently. Now, to police, 0:20:47.725 --> 0:20:50.605 with everything going on, this seemed like a pretty big coincidence, 0:20:50.965 --> 0:20:54.005 so they took him in for questioning. They took his clothes, 0:20:54.045 --> 0:20:57.005 and they took samples of his blood. Now, obviously this 0:20:57.125 --> 0:20:59.845 was back in nineteen seventy one, so the testing they 0:20:59.845 --> 0:21:02.045 could do on blood was much more limited than it 0:21:02.125 --> 0:21:05.845 is now. They could basically tell you what type blood 0:21:05.845 --> 0:21:10.925 it was, and that's about it. Peter got a lawyer, 0:21:11.325 --> 0:21:15.165 and his lawyer said he refused to take a polygraph test. Now, 0:21:15.245 --> 0:21:17.125 by the way, I don't hold this against him at all, 0:21:17.325 --> 0:21:20.045 just my opinion, but I've said this before. I actually 0:21:20.045 --> 0:21:22.845 think this is a very smart move. Honestly, asking for 0:21:22.885 --> 0:21:25.845 an attorney, especially in a situation like this where you 0:21:25.925 --> 0:21:28.725 know the police are kind of on a fishing expedition, 0:21:29.565 --> 0:21:33.885 is something that I think everyone should do. Peter told police, 0:21:33.925 --> 0:21:36.005 and this is according to his police statement that was 0:21:36.045 --> 0:21:38.965 released via a Foyer request, that he and a friend 0:21:39.205 --> 0:21:41.365 were boiling water with speed that night. 0:21:42.085 --> 0:21:44.165 So we've talked about injectable speed before. 0:21:44.285 --> 0:21:46.565 That was a big thing in the seventies and eighties 0:21:46.565 --> 0:21:49.725 in Arkansas, and what they were using was a drug 0:21:49.765 --> 0:21:52.365 that was similar to finfinn. Now, if you were around 0:21:52.365 --> 0:21:54.845 in the eighties, you may remember that this was an 0:21:54.925 --> 0:21:57.605 ingredient in a diet drug before it got removed from 0:21:57.645 --> 0:21:59.885 the market by the FDA in the mid nineties because 0:21:59.925 --> 0:22:03.285 people who took it were experiencing heart damage. These pills 0:22:03.325 --> 0:22:06.845 were very strong, they were speed. What they would do 0:22:06.965 --> 0:22:09.245 is boil water, throw a lot of pills in there, 0:22:09.645 --> 0:22:12.925 and then inject this stuff into their veins. So Peter 0:22:12.965 --> 0:22:14.765 Kunkle said that's what they were doing that night. He 0:22:14.805 --> 0:22:17.365 said he started shooting up at around seven thirty pm. 0:22:17.925 --> 0:22:20.725 He took another shot at eight pm and then did 0:22:20.765 --> 0:22:22.885 a few other things. Stopped by a local store called 0:22:22.925 --> 0:22:25.565 the jet Set to get a sprite. Then between nine 0:22:25.725 --> 0:22:28.285 thirty and nine to forty five pm, so the crucial 0:22:28.525 --> 0:22:31.685