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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria QK.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a

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Speaker 2: special guest with us today on today's episode, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 2: You may know her from her podcast Zone seven or

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Speaker 2: from Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She is a crime

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Speaker 2: scene investigator who specializes in cold cases and his director

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Speaker 2: and founder of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute. We

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Speaker 2: did an external exam with Cheryl over a year ago,

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Speaker 2: so if you guys are interested in hearing about her

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Speaker 2: career and how she got to where she's at now,

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Speaker 2: go ahead and listen to that. It was about last April.

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Speaker 2: But on today's episode, we're going to talk to Cheryl

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Speaker 2: about her thoughts on this shocking Brian Coberger plea deal. Well,

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Speaker 2: we might get into a little Diddy, we might get

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Speaker 2: into a little Karen Reid, as well as other news stories. Hi, Cheryl,

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Speaker 2: Welcome The Mother Knows Death Again.

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Speaker 1: Hey, honey, I could wait to get on here today.

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Speaker 1: My word, I mean, what in the world is happening

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Speaker 1: this week?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what we need to first start off

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Speaker 2: talking about this coburger situation because I was not expecting

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Speaker 2: that even a little bit. So that came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, I mean, here's what I did know.

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Speaker 1: I knew the defense had nothing. Zero. There was nothing

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Speaker 1: they could do to counter the evidence. They had the DNA,

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Speaker 1: the ninth sheet, the cell phone, the cell phone going

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Speaker 1: into airplane mode, his own carr driving around and around

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Speaker 1: and around the house. But to take the death penalty

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Speaker 1: off the table, that to me came from nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, And Cheryl, what the breaking news. I opened

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Speaker 3: Instagram and saw your post and was like, oh, I

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Speaker 3: can't believe.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and go and here's the thing. I mean, Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, these families. I mean, you have four families

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Speaker 1: that have just been tortured by this guy. He's not

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Speaker 1: gonna tell anything. It wasn't him, he didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: He was out hiking looking at stars, which we knew

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Speaker 1: was garbage. But then on a weekend he's gonna say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, go see if they'll make a deal. And

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Speaker 1: then the families get an email that blew my mind.

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Speaker 1: I will say that that should have been an in person.

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Speaker 1: Let's all get together. I mean I had a buddy,

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Speaker 1: she found out her husband wanted out of their marriage

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Speaker 1: over an email, and I told her what a pos

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Speaker 1: he was. So that ain't this? I mean, these are

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Speaker 1: your children. You should have been handled with care and

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Speaker 1: concern and it should have been explained to them why

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Speaker 1: you would even entertain this? And I think, why do

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that they would have even done this?

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Speaker 2: If the evidence seemed to be so strong.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's some positives to it. I mean, they're not

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Speaker 1: victim centered, but there are some positives for the entire community.

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Speaker 1: Number one, there's gonna be a killer off the street period.

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Speaker 1: Number two is gonna save them about a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got no appeals. When this is done, it's done.

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Speaker 1: If he were to go to trial be given the

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Speaker 1: death penalty, he would appeal for twenty years. Well that

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Speaker 1: means they're never gonna, you know, not have this on

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Speaker 1: some appeal. I mean, the Scott Peterson with a ridiculous van,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it never ends for that family.

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Speaker 2: Where exactly what I said on our show earlier today,

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Speaker 2: I was like, if you could ask Lacy Peterson's mom,

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Speaker 2: if she could go back in time, and I bet

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Speaker 2: you she would choose this because now there's a possibility

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Speaker 2: that he might get out.

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Speaker 1: That's right, go into trial. There's a possibility. It takes

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Speaker 1: one bad juror it takes one misstep for the prosecution,

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Speaker 1: it takes one maneuver and you've got a mistrial or

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Speaker 1: a not guilty. I mean, you don't want to risk

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Speaker 1: that in a case. That's important, But again it needs

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Speaker 1: to be discussed before, not later. Like you're coming to

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Speaker 1: Atlanta to visit me. If I said, hey, I've got

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be so comfortable, and you up and it's

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Speaker 1: sheets in their honey. Well, it's gonna change your whole

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Speaker 1: for you. So again, all of those family members, the

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Speaker 1: siblings included, the two surviving roommates included, everybody should have

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Speaker 2: And here's why, from what you've seen in your experience,

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Speaker 2: is is it weird that they haven't involved the family

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Speaker 2: But there's been leaks and maybe that's a reason why

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Speaker 3: Well, Joe Scott brought up this point too, that Dateline

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Speaker 3: could possibly compromise the keyse with the information they released.

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Speaker 3: And now we have this docuseriies coming out on the

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Speaker 3: eleventh that we don't even know what's in that yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna say, we're gonna be in Atlanta with

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a good time. Listen, let me just

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Speaker 1: put that to rest. Think of all the books and

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Speaker 1: magazine articles and newspaper and documentaries and movies on Natalie Holloway,

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Speaker 1: you can still go to TRILL. You can if they

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Speaker 1: bin A Ramsey, they could go to TRILL. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not worried about dateline. I'm not worried about the leaks

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Speaker 1: because here's the deal. I don't think anything has come

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Speaker 1: out that any of us have said, what that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I took issue with that I call

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Speaker 1: Ethan's leg was carved. Here's why you don't stab a

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving turkey. You carve it. There's precision, there's a method

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Speaker 1: to it. It's control. That's not what happened to that chat.

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Speaker 1: He was not carved. I would put my reputation on it.

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Speaker 1: There's no way that happened. The two victims upstairs were

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I think that this person was

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Speaker 2: Carving seems like something that would take a little bit

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Speaker 2: it's something else would purposely do. Yeah, I think that

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Speaker 1: Know, I would love to give somebody an owl. But

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Speaker 1: I think that was a deliberate comment to get the

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Speaker 1: because that's a different gig, that's a different crumb. So

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Speaker 1: we have a crime in Atlanta where a young lady

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Speaker 1: carved letters into her body. That is a carve it.

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Speaker 1: It does take extra time because it's controlled. If you're

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Speaker 1: but it does take more time. Does that make sense

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Speaker 1: There's no way he in a frenzy killed three females

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Speaker 1: really carve this guy up. Yeah, didn't happen. And it's

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Speaker 1: upsetting to people, Like again, you've got parents sitting there

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Speaker 1: Nobody should have broke that case but them. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, no, Nicole should know about your children

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Speaker 2: Period agree. I agree with you, And like, so, so

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Speaker 2: What his motive was? Does he have to say any

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Speaker 1: If it's the right judge, it's going to make the

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Speaker 1: this is what I did, This is how I did it,

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Speaker 1: This is how I picked the house, This is how

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna use an year old little kid you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're talking about I mean, he stole cars,

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Speaker 1: to me, But Gator was eight, But again, he knew

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Speaker 1: That ain't me. My shirt's clearly green, right, but you're

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Speaker 1: talking about a man supposedly is so brilliant, supposedly studied everybody,

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Speaker 1: and then shut his phone on airplane mode. Come on now,

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Speaker 1: and what's his excuse? I'm hiking? You ain't never been hiking?

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Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna buy that. But your phone is pinging here,

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Speaker 1: from he didn't do it, We're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: prove it. We want this thing done, we want a

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Speaker 1: speedy trial to no, no, no, no, no, let's take

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Speaker 1: our time. Now, let's not go crazy. Oh, clearly he

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Speaker 1: was somewhere else. He was nowhere near you know. Eleven

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Speaker 3: I loved when the defense attorney was like, mister Coburger

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Speaker 1: Where are we talking about, right? I mean I lost

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Speaker 1: It's called evident, y'all. And if you say, well, the

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434
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Speaker 3: Yeah, head over to the grosser Room dot com now

436
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Speaker 3: to sign up. Well, I wanted to say, based on

437
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: them destroying the house, we could take that as an

438
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 3: opportunity to transition into Karen Reid based on the jury.

439
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 3: Foreman is requesting the FBI reopen the case. But how

440
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 3: are they possibly going to relook into this case when

441
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: the evidence was so mishandled, and that house has been

442
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 3: sold and the floors ripped up, and the dog they

443
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: got rid of. I mean, how are we supposed to

444
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Speaker 3: reevaluate this.

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Speaker 1: This case, y'all? Oh my gosh. First of all, I

446
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: have said that this, this entire trial needs to be

447
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: shown in every single police academy in the United States.

448
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. What a shit show it is.

449
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 1: There's no excuse in what happened nine from the minute

450
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: that the lead to take them decides he's not going

451
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: to go to the sea to him making his mind

452
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: up that it's a homicide and completely ignoring what the

453
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: medical examiner says, completely ignore what other people are saying.

454
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: He doesn't go and interview people, he doesn't separate folks,

455
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: he doesn't collect cell phones. He just goes full steam ahead.

456
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: Even though somebody that has a medical degree and has

457
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: done however, many autopsy says, it looks like this guy's

458
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: been in a fight. No, no, no, he was murger.

459
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: And then to me, it just gets worse when they

460
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: don't find till light until he goes there several days

461
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: later after being alone with the car. That's not good.

462
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: That should never happen. And then with everybody saying, you

463
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: know it was a butt dial or no, I didn't

464
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: look that up at two o'clock. I looked it up

465
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: at six o'clock. Okay, he's still pretty effing weird at

466
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: six o'clock. Yeah, I mean, you're not helping yourself. But

467
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: there's so many things that I know absolutely human nature.

468
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna believe it. And one of them is

469
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: when they finding nobody ran to that house to get

470
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: a police officer. They just waited on the front lawn

471
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: for somebody to go. Now, let me tell ya something.

472
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: My sister lives next door to me. My sister is

473
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: a level one trauma nurse. If somebody is dead on

474
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: her front loan, I am never gonna say, well, I

475
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: didn't want to wake her up. Oh I'm gonna wake

476
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: her up.

477
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: You know what. I actually didn't even think about that

478
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: until you just said that that so you're saying when

479
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: Karen Reid and it was she was with the general,

480
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: she was carry and Jen Ming, so they were on

481
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: and but Jen was friends with the homeowner, right, she

482
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: was more or what was she her sister was married

483
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: to the guy? Right?

484
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: I think that's her sister's house.

485
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, that Okay, we a second. I

486
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: don't know why. I just I didn't think about that

487
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: until you just said that. That is so bizarre, because

488
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: I think that's possible.

489
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: So I need hell, I need hell. There's a policeman

490
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: right there, not even thirty feet. But I don't want

491
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: to wake them up.

492
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean I don't trust you know how.

493
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: I think Brian Coberger is guilty just based on his eyes.

494
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: I feel the same exact way about the Jim McCabe check.

495
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: She just has a look that is scary to me.

496
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: Well, everybody in the Karen Reid case is extremely unlikable,

497
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: which I think also feeds into the media frenzy around it.

498
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: There's no one like the.

499
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: Water here remember anything. And again it just got worse

500
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: every expert they put up. I'm sitting there going wait

501
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: a minute, so they don't have a medical examiner from

502
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: Kansas or Florida, somewhere else that's gonna be able to

503
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: explain this injury. Not one trial, but in two trials.

504
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: They cannot find me a forensic pathologist or a pathologist,

505
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: or maybe even a pathologist that went to prison. Somebody

506
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: they can tell me the calls and manner of death.

507
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: Not one, not one in this entire country. You're gonna

508
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: put somebody up to ask a question, Oh, yeah, this

509
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: is what happened his head, And then the defence gets

510
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: up and says, you ever worked on a dead person? No,

511
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: I've never actually worked on a dead person? Is what

512
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: it testified to? What happened to this dead get out here?

513
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: I mean, what is happening?

514
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: I don't know? And what what's up with the Red

515
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: Solo cops? Because that was a question I had, like

516
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: I understand if people weren't As you're drinking out of

517
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: a Red Solo, do you do you have them stacked

518
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: up in your car to collect evidence in case you

519
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: arrive at a scene and you're not prepared.

520
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: They're right next to my snowblower.

521
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: I just I just don't believe that these cops don't

522
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: have like evidence bags just in their car at all times,

523
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: isn't that? I mean, this is your job. Isn't that

524
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: something that you guys stack your car up with so

525
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: you're always prepared. Yes, it's where did the solo cops

526
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: come from?

527
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: If you they went and got them.

528
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: So they went in the house to get the cops

529
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: or they like where.

530
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: I think they went and bought them like a little

531
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: store to ell string or so. I don't know. I

532
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: don't know, but listen, that just that's just one thing

533
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: they did wrong. Everything they did was wrong. Listen, you

534
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: have a murder. The guy's laying in the yard. A

535
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: lieutenant is testified, and they say, well, where was John o'key? Well,

536
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: somebody pointed over there, pointed somebody points where his body was,

537
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: past tents like y'all didn't mark his body. Oh okay,

538
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: I have metal states in my car about three four feet.

539
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: If the snow was deeper than that, somebody would have

540
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: gone and gotten a large piece of wood from home

541
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: depot or somewhere. I would mark it. Here's his head,

542
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: here's his hip, here's his knee, left knee, right knee,

543
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: right foot. I would know exactly where his body was.

544
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: They did not know where his body was. They said

545
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: near the flagpole. Okay, near the flagpole, because nobody bothered

546
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: a mare at the body, no crime scene, te, no flag,

547
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: no nothing. Okay. Then they said, oh and she said,

548
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: I hated my haity, my hitting. Nobody wrote that down.

549
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Nobody wrote down a confession exactly.

550
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: So so like with the foreman of the jury saying

551
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: like he straight up had a quote that was like,

552
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: since the FBI knows that Karen Reid didn't do this,

553
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: they're going to have to look into this and investigate

554
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: who did do this, which to me means not only

555
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: the foreman thought that, but they all thought that. That's

556
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: where I get from.

557
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: We all think it.

558
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: We all know we don't because we know that there's

559
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: people that think that we're more on it.

560
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people out there. Let

561
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: me tell you something. People came at me because the

562
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: first trull I said, she was gonna walk. You're I

563
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: can't believe you, of all people are Karen Reid supporter.

564
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything in support of Karen Reid. I

565
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,239
Speaker 1: based it on how pitiful the investigation was. And I

566
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: said very clearly it is Casey Anthony meets Mark Furman

567
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: and they had a baby, and that baby's Karen Reid. Yeah,

568
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: because you car you know, Casey Anthony, I said the

569
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: same thing. If you can't tell me how that baby died,

570
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: you don't have a murder. Yeah, it's just that simple.

571
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: You don't know how John o'keeff died, you don't have

572
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: a murder.

573
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they can't and and all the stuff that

574
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: I brought up that I brought up on your show.

575
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: I was so happy to hear that one of the

576
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: medical examiners at least said that at the trial about

577
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: the hype like him not even being a candidate for

578
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: for hypothermia based upon the science of it, you know

579
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: what I mean.

580
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: So, yeah, the whole thing you were dead old. Everything

581
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: you said was boom boom boom. And again that's the

582
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: most logical. He's out there without even a jacket out

583
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: and he's not frozen. Huh. But you got somebody checking

584
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: how all has he gotta be out here? Jilly Braces.

585
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: We had a person two weeks ago tell us we

586
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: didn't know anything because Brian Koberger is innocent and we

587
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: had no evidence against him. I'm like, okay, well, the

588
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: dude just said he's guilty. So like, we're wrong, he's saying,

589
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: and have you seen his eyes?

590
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

591
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: And well have you seen Jen McCabe's eyes because she

592
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: kind of has similar eyes. I'm just just my opinion, but.

593
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she admitted on the stand, I'm miss remembered.

594
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: Do you know what every defense attorney's gonna do to

595
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: her the rest of her career when she.

596
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: Testifies, Oh, they'll bring it up.

597
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: Have you ever missremembered facts in a case before?

598
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: Oh?

599
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: My, it's unbelievable. You're like, it's kind of insulting. It's

600
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: like this ultimate gas lighting that you're watching this in

601
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: front of your eyes, and you're like, why are we

602
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: trying to act like this isn't happening? Right?

603
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: Every single person should be petrified that you can be

604
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: charged with murder not once, but twice with zero evidence

605
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: of a murder. They had zero evidence of murder. Zero.

606
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you think she hit him with

607
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: the car, thinking, feeling, believing ain't evidence. It ain't.

608
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: We were just saying that about Scott Peterson because he

609
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: was convicted on circumstantial evidence. But when you looked at that,

610
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: it was like, okay, affair he had, the wife was

611
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: dead there's a million things when you look at Karen Reid. Yeah,

612
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: she's a little crazy and she was screaming at him,

613
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: and she was definitely drunk driving, but that doesn't make

614
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 3: her a murderer.

615
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: I know lots of people that get in fights like

616
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: that with their significant others. Like to me, I'm just

617
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: kind of like people say, shit, they were hanging out

618
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: the next night and find I think.

619
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: If she didn't kill that's just how won't not talk

620
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: to each other? Listen. But I think Maria brings up

621
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: a good point. And for me, if you were trying to,

622
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I killed him, what can I do to

623
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: make it look like I didn't do it? Leaving those

624
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: voicemails ate the way to do it exactly.

625
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 3: I think she would leave him nice voicemails like hi sweetie,

626
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: hope you get home safe from like where are you.

627
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: Right? I mean, she was dog cussing him, and it

628
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: almost seemed real to me that she kind of went

629
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: down about it, like Okay, I'm really worried now, but no,

630
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm pissed off again, John please ants you know where

631
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: are you? Berber? I love you? You know what I mean?

632
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: That almost seemed more believable.

633
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, like you know how we were

634
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: talking about that Ellen Greenberg case, when when I think

635
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: about that NII on one call to me, it feels

636
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: very like rehearsed. Yeah, like oh oh oh, she has

637
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: a knife in her chest, she summed herself, like it's

638
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: just like not like a way somebody talks but her.

639
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I've had ex boyfriends and I've been

640
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: like you mother effort, you know, like it seemed authentic

641
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: to me. Like and if not, she's a damn good actress, right.

642
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: I mean listen, if my husband wasn't home by five

643
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning and I was calling him and

644
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: he wasn't answering, I too would be like, where are

645
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: you an effort?

646
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 2: But I love you, be careful.

647
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: I hope you're okay, exactly. Yeah, I think there's a

648
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: whole lot of women that listen to that with no

649
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: that's that's.

650
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like everyone's been in a relationship like that at

651
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: some point, whether they were a teenager or whatever. So

652
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: so what do you think, like, are they going to

653
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: is it closed? Are they going to open it and

654
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: try to figure it out? Like how how will that

655
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: process go down.

656
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things that somebody needs

657
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: to look at. I think the ATF needs to look

658
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: at their agent. Oh yeah, there is no way a

659
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: ATF AGA is gonna throw a phone away here and

660
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: throw a SIM card away over there without me questioning it.

661
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: And here's why. He's got confidential informants in that phone.

662
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: He's got pictures, he's got videos, he's got text messages

663
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: between him and undercover people, him and high ranking people.

664
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. You're if I lost my phone,

665
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: think of the contacts you have that you are never

666
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: gonna get back again. The photographs you're never gonna get back.

667
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: The videos gone right, you pray they're in the cloud,

668
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: but if it's full or whatever, or you made a mistake,

669
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 1: they're gone. I do not believe it. I'm never gonna believe.

670
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I know too many federal agents if they lost their foe,

671
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: they would lose their mind.

672
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. There's just so many things

673
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: that you're just You're just like, I'm a person and

674
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: this isn't this isn't right.

675
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what I do for a living,

676
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you without hesitation, it is the worst

677
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: investigation I have ever seen that actually went to trial,

678
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: not once but twice, and I said, after the first one,

679
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: I said, they'll never try again because they know they

680
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: don't have murder. So I'm thinking, ethically, there's no way,

681
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: and you charge her again because you already know you

682
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: don't have it, and your case only gets weaker because

683
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: you're now not going to have a lead detective because

684
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: he's compromised. They already know the evidence has no chain

685
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: of custody. They know that some of the evidence was

686
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: packaged in the same bag, which means it's meaningless. Y'all

687
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: are harping on the fact there was one hair on

688
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: the car. There's one hair on the car? Really, you

689
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: you used a snowblower. You could have blown that over there.

690
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: As far as I know, I don't know what the

691
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: heck y'all were doing. But none of that is gonna check.

692
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: None of it is gonna make it all the way

693
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: through without somebody calling bs the tail light. Your own

694
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: person said you were in there alone with it, and

695
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: then she misremembered.

696
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: Remember, and what did you think about that, judge when

697
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: when the when the verdict came out, she was just

698
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: kind of like she was, Oh, so she's just getting

699
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: a standard drunken driving incident that any other person would

700
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: get on their first defense.

701
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: Okay, No, here's my problem with that whole thing. We've

702
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: all been to a ball game where you could tell

703
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: the revs were favoring one side or the other. There's

704
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: no doubt that was happening. There's no dat there's too

705
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: many illegal experts that can tell you she's wrong here,

706
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: she's wrong. Here, she's wrong here, okay, and not up

707
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: for the bay she was wrong, just flat raw. My

708
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: issue is, after you have put this woman through to

709
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: try and a jury has spoken on the most severe

710
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: charges not guilty, not guilty, the first thing out of

711
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: your mouth is can we look at such and such

712
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: date for sentencing? Seriously weird? Right, that's inappropriate. I was

713
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: expecting her to say, miss Reid, you are free to

714
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: go on behalf of the commonwealth.

715
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: You know.

716
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 1: Sorry, she got nothing. She got immediately. Oh, we're gonna

717
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: send it to your butt. Okay, that's what five million

718
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: dollars duy, you look ridiculous.

719
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she was so bitter the whole time.

720
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 3: That attitude on her just seems so inappropriate for somebody

721
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: in that position.

722
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're supposed to be impartial, that's your whole gig.

723
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: Oh No, she didn't come off impartial to anybody.

724
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: They really should have swapped her out for the second trial.

725
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe they sent her for another trial. Well,

726
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: especially because exactly like you're saying, they proved enough reasonable

727
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: doubt first time around, and it just got even worse

728
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: for them going around the second time, right.

729
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: And then her attitude the whole time from day one.

730
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 3: Everybody knew that she had a problem with her day one.

731
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: It was interesting. So let's get it. Let's talk about

732
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: Diddy for a second. We don't have we're on verdict

733
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: watch everyone is. We thought it was coming today and

734
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 2: then what so bread to say all the things that

735
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: happened right before we started recording, and.

736
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: I was taking notes down to the second before Money's nuts,

737
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: And I mean, I think Maria's face said it all.

738
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: She was like, what is it? You know, when you

739
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: start to know everybody's gonna say, oh, they're asking this,

740
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: it must mean this to me. If they're asking about

741
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: racketeering and they want something cleared up on what two

742
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: of the witnesses said, that means they have to have

743
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: found him guilty on something they have other that would

744
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: not even be in question.

745
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: They also said when they got the most recent note

746
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: with let me go over that really quick. But when

747
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: they got the most recent note, his body language changed

748
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 3: severely and he was visibly agitated. I hate that they're

749
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: not cameras in this courtroom. I guess that's the problem

750
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: with federal cases foot and.

751
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't help. Have y'all been following Lauren Conlin at all?

752
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: Of course?

753
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, we called her. We were like, you need

754
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: to come on tomorrow if it comes out, not.

755
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: To come on. But I just called her because I said,

756
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: I know you are flipping out. I mean, she has

757
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: covered this thing beautifully.

758
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: I know this is like the case of her career.

759
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: She's been there every day, right.

760
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 1: I mean she knows it. I had her on my show,

761
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: and let me tell you, I was so knocked out

762
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: by her. I had a whole list of just names, y'all,

763
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: just names, no certain order, no nothing. I just had

764
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: everybody written that was involved with this case in some way.

765
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: She comes on, I just throw out naged like this.

766
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: She just catches it, grabbing it, explain it, saying exactly

767
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: who they are what they did, what they said. She's

768
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: like a freaking court reporter on this thing. Oh yes,

769
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: she knows better than anybody. But here's what I believe.

770
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: I believe not only are they gonna find him guilty

771
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: own something significant, I think that it's gonna probably hopefully

772
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: grab some other people eventually. I don't think he's gonna

773
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: be the only one.

774
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean they can't let him go, especially

775
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: after Epstein and everything, not releasing that list. They cannot

776
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: let this die here. So they gave a note I

777
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: guess around five o'clock so their end of day that

778
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: said they've reached a verdict on counts two, three, four,

779
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: and five, which was two counts of sex trafficking, two

780
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: counts of transportation for prostitution, but they haven't reached a

781
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: verdict yet on the racketeering. And they said some people's

782
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: minds cannot be changed. So the judge had said, come

783
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 3: back to mar.

784
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: And keep deliberating because we're not finishing it here. Right,

785
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Before the July is coming, they want

786
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: to be home. They want to celebrate, right, they don't

787
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: want this to be something they've got to come back Monday.

788
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: Maybe their minds can be changed the closer against to

789
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: I want to go home. These are people and they've

790
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 1: done their duty right. So to me, if you can

791
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: find him guilty on something that you know is parto rico,

792
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: what is the question? You know for what the witness

793
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: has said he transported them for prostitution. You know that, Oh, definitely,

794
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: what's the argument? So to me, you can't have two, three,

795
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: four or five without having won. You can't.

796
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, how's that, dr jor R? When I can't say

797
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: that word? You can't say that word, say it like

798
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 2: nance your R. As a your R. I would kind

799
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: of be scared about what I was going to do

800
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: because I feel like he's such a powerful person. And

801
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: it was definitely portrayed in court that that dude is

802
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: like going to ruin your life if you try to

803
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: get in his way of something. And so do you

804
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 2: think that there's any of that that people are scared

805
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 2: to sure get him convicted of anything.

806
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean they heard it. He fire bombs somebody's car.

807
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean he is a revengeful person. He called somebody's

808
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: mama and said I'm gonna put out a sex tape

809
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: if you don't give me money. Yeah, there's the reason

810
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: to look at him, just like they've charged it. This

811
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: is a gangster, that's how he moves. I've said before

812
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: publicly and I'll say it again to me with Tupac Shakur,

813
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: you have to look at him in nineteen ninety four,

814
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: you have to.

815
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, how I mean, we're not they're not bringing any

816
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: of that up though, right I know.

817
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: They're not bringing up but I'm saying in the real world,

818
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: I don't they you cannot look at him. So that's

819
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: another reason. I think if one house of cards fall,

820
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: it's easier to get the other to fall. If he

821
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: were to go to prison for an extended period of time,

822
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: I think he would see people come out more and

823
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: more and more people.

824
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: That's interesting because they would feel safe.

825
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: He's going to go home on probation.

826
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: They're not saying, did they not go over the night

827
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: club shooting? He was involved in it? All because I

828
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: was surprise Jalo hasn't come up in any of this.

829
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: I am so surprised that there's all kinds of people

830
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: that weren't on that witness list. Just to lay foundation

831
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: of who this person is. Yeah, to me, you would

832
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: want to do that. I mean he was at the

833
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: studio the night Tupac was killed. He's here with j

834
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: Lo in another shooting. He's here when all this is done.

835
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: You know, he says he's not involved with this person

836
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: or that person, but there's photograph after photograph after photograph.

837
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: Here he is with sug nine. Here he is with

838
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: be Me. Here he is with Tupac. Show that that

839
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: these are the circles he ran in. And your grandmama

840
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: was right, birds of a feather.

841
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: So if he's convicted, what kind of jel time is

842
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: he looking at?

843
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: Okay, So for the racketeering, he's facing life in prison.

844
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: For the sex trafficking, he's fifteen to life per count,

845
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 3: and then the transportation of prostitutions ten years per count.

846
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: So if he does a significant amount of time, then

847
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: then I see what you're saying that people will be like,

848
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: you know what, he's behind bars and I'm safe and

849
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: I could start talking now, that's right, because you know,

850
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: there's like I feel like all these people Kardashians, all

851
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: these people that were going to all these parties, like

852
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: they know a lot of shit.

853
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: That's another thing, because Chloe Kardashian was his personal assistant

854
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: for a while. She has to know some stuff. I

855
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: can't believe they didn't have more assistance coming through.

856
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: They all know. But again, to me, there's no way

857
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: they don't know. And here's why. Every single person that

858
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: ever cleaned a hotel room knew it. No way you

859
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: hid all of that. Every person that ever cleaned his mansion,

860
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: cleaned an Airbnb, or wherever he was cleaned a limo,

861
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: they have information. There's no way that he was able

862
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: to get the women and the drugs and the guns.

863
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he had one gun that had the serial

864
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: number obliterated. Why he could legally have a gun he

865
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: could afford to have whatever gun he wants. That gun,

866
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: to me, is one of the most interesting things. That

867
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: gun is associated with something otherwise he wouldn't have it.

868
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just you're trying to do something shady, That's

869
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: that's all. It's also want to connect it to you.

870
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: It's also so bizarre his children are there listening to

871
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: these extremely graphic, detailed accounts of their father in these

872
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: sexual encounters. Right, it is weird, like and it's it's

873
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: not even just like sex. It's like the peing and

874
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: the mouth and all this weird shit. Like I don't

875
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: ever want my kids to hear that, even like I

876
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: don't want Maria to hear that stuff, you know what

877
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: I mean, especially about you doing it and and like you.

878
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: But do you think that the defense put on enough

879
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: evidence to suggest that she was a part of it?

880
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: And she was, she was a participant, a willing participant

881
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: during some of those things. I mean, I personally think

882
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: because I know that the prosecution straight up was like,

883
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: you only have to find that she was doing one

884
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 2: freak off that she didn't want to do in order

885
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: to get him on these charges. And I think the

886
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: video alone shows that she was trying to leave and

887
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: he pulled her.

888
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: Back in that the video was a money tree.

889
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: That guy that that recorded that is like the whole case.

890
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: I agree, because that's not a for debate that happened.

891
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: You could watch it and you can watch the level

892
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: of violence and a tower.

893
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly ken to me.

894
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing for people to understand who he

895
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: was is. So you know, you can go back, even

896
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: like with Bill Cosby, if you remember the first person

897
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: that came out then there was like three Well then

898
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of time before you got

899
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: to six and nine and twelve, Right, it takes a minute. Well,

900
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: then there's power in numbers. Then you start to ask yourself, well,

901
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, one or two people could get together and

902
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: live about you, but twenty seven, Yeah, I don't think so.

903
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: And then people closer to him started to have to admit, yes,

904
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: I saw this, Yes I thought this was unusual. Well

905
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: then you had people that tried to defend him at first,

906
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: and even they had to turn loose of it because okay,

907
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: maybe he was great to you, Like, are you gonna

908
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: say these thirty two women are lying.

909
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: Exactly totally. All right, let's talk about since we don't

910
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: have so much time left, let's talk about a case

911
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: that happened a couple of days ago, which involves the firefighters,

912
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: which you know, I'm married to one, so I always

913
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: have a special place in my heart when something like

914
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: this happens. And like when my husband goes to work,

915
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 2: I'm worried about him dying in a fire or some

916
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: kind of rescue effort, not thinking that he's going to

917
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: show up to a fire and get shot at. I mean,

918
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: I can't, I just can't. It's just like added to

919
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: the list of stuff to stress out about. I still

920
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: don't really understand what happened in this case. You have

921
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: the details, Maria.

922
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so reports came in about this brush fire at

923
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 3: a popular hiking trail in Idaho, and then when the

924
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 3: first responders got there, they made a call and so

925
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 3: we're getting shot at. So they didn't really know what's

926
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: happening at first. So I believe two battalion chiefs were murdered,

927
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 3: and then another firefighter is in critical condition who was

928
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: also shot. Right now, they got in the police shootout

929
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: with the guy, and then they ended up finding him dead.

930
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: They tracked him through his cell phone, so they found

931
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: his body, and it's unclear if he took his own

932
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: life or if he got killed as a result of

933
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 3: the shootout. But I'm mostly scared because of copycats in

934
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: this situation. I feel like we've not seen an attack

935
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 3: like this on the fire department necessarily, and I'm worried

936
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: about what's to come after.

937
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: Well. Sadly, it sounds like this person wanted to have

938
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: somebody help him with his SUICIDID but he chose incorrectly

939
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: because he chose a solved target, meaning he knew they

940
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: didn't have weapons. Yeah, he knew when they got off

941
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: the truck. They're not paying attention. They're pulling lines and

942
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: trying to get home. Is trying to solve the problem,

943
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: that's what they do. They immediately go to the person

944
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: that's down, the fire, the car wreck. These are mission

945
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: driven firefighters and I think all of us would agree

946
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: if you have ever in your life had an opportunity

947
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: to deal with a firefighter or have one near you

948
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: in an emergency, they are some of the best in

949
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: the world. They almost naturally use your name, they calm

950
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: you down. They're there for medical reasons for like y'all

951
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: already talked about, trying to rescue somebody, trying to put

952
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: a fire out, try to get a tree out of

953
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: the roadway, whatever it is. And these are heroes to

954
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: me that don't do damage to people. They only save people.

955
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: That's it, you know, at least or may have to

956
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: get into a fight or may have to use force

957
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: firefighters that stop what they're doing.

958
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, people, I mean, people don't like cops for whatever

959
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: personal reasons. They're just because they're jumping on some bandwagon, right,

960
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: But like you don't ever hear that with fire like

961
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: they're just kind of there, they're not They they're not

962
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: doing anything that people are generally mad about.

963
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: You know, everybody loves them, Yeah, everybody.

964
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 3: Well in this case. So there's not a confirmed motive

965
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 3: yet as of when we're recording this, but there's some

966
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 3: speculation going on because apparently twenty four years to the day,

967
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, this leader of the Aryan

968
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: Nations had filed for bankruptcy and lost the rights to

969
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 3: this property they owned, and then the fire department had

970
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 3: acquired the property and lit it on fire as part

971
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: of a training exercise. And then these this kid's high

972
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: school peers are coming out saying that he really idolized

973
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: Nazis and was just kind of off and was obsessed

974
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: with guns. So now there's this theory that this was payback, y'all.

975
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: People do not like it when I say it, but

976
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: I won't say it anyway. People are mentally ill. People

977
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: know they're mentally ill, their family, their neighbors, their past

978
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: friends and associates. This person was not had and what

979
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: they thought, what they believed, what they felt. Nobody did anything.

980
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: Nobody said anything. Maybe they didn't know how or what

981
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: to do, but they knew this person was all And

982
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's a whole lot of people smarter than

983
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: me that can give you the name of maybe what

984
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: was happening with him, But he's not, Okay, it's crazy.

985
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's true. And he I think they just

986
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: had interviewed one of his friends that he was recently

987
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: living with that said he was quote like going off

988
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: the deep end, shaved his head, and his grandfather was

989
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: interviewed and hadn't talked to him in a little bit.

990
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 2: But also, this is an interesting part of this story

991
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: that his grandfather said that he really wanted to be

992
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: a forest firefighter and he thought he was actively pursuing it.

993
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if like maybe he was trying to

994
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: become a firefighter and he got rejected in some way,

995
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: or because it's just a weird I mean, listen, people

996
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: go to malls and shoot little kids and that's weird too.

997
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: But this is the motive this really reminds me of,

998
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: like the Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City. You know, like

999
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 3: everything came from one another, and that's what it's reminding

1000
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: me of. And then you have the area nations involved

1001
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: in all of this. It goes really deep.

1002
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: It can, but you're looking at somebody that is not

1003
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: well and is trying to find their group. And I'll

1004
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: tell you something y'all may not know. Remember the Oklahoma

1005
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: City bombing. Yeah, Timothy McVeagh joined the Klueklutz client. They

1006
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: threw him out because they thought his ideas were too

1007
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: violent and too out there. Wowow okay, So this person,

1008
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: when you start talking about Nazis, Okay, what year is it?

1009
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: So if you're talking about Nazis, you're not well, Yes,

1010
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: you need help. So again, if you pay attention to

1011
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: your friends, your families, your neighbors, your coworkers, somebody that's

1012
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: outwardly not able to hide that I want to be

1013
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: affiliated with this hate group, there's your flag that right

1014
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: there should be reported to somebody.

1015
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: And what in what case? Like, just because you're in

1016
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: law enforcement, if we had someone in our life that

1017
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: was acting that way, who do you call?

1018
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: Well, if you well, they were going to commit a

1019
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: crime of a certain magnituator they're talking about bombs, I

1020
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: would call the FIA. I would keep calling till somebody

1021
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: heard me. Call the state police, call atf call somebody

1022
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: and say this is what he's saying. I don't know

1023
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: if anybody else is called, but I'm concerned because a

1024
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: year ago he was on Wall Street doing great. Now

1025
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: he's built a shack and he's claiming he's building bombs

1026
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: in there. I would tell somebody.

1027
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: This happens often when we look in hindsight of a

1028
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: lot of these particular crimes that have been happening over

1029
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: the past couple of years. That remember there was the

1030
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: Nicholas Cruz kid, from the school shooting, from the Parkland shooting.

1031
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: It's just like there's this whole long thing that was

1032
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: been happening, even with Coburger. Like you were saying, like

1033
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: when people start talking, I heard that his sister was

1034
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: writing a book, right, I don't know. I think that

1035
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 2: I heard it say was in it, had a book

1036
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: deal or was gonna write a book. A lot of

1037
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: stuff's gonna start coming out about like how weird that

1038
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: dude was. And you know, so.

1039
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: Didn't she even call the police selling him in high school?

1040
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: Oh his Coburger sister. Yeah, there was something. There was

1041
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: something weird that went on, and he had she knows

1042
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: just from that book. What was the book called that

1043
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: When the Night.

1044
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: Of the Howard Blum book, When the Night Came Falling.

1045
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he talked about. I mean that was that was

1046
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: him interviewing some people that knew him, and just like

1047
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: weird stuff about him being a heroin atic, Like usually

1048
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: you don't see somebody that was a heroin attict go

1049
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: go on to to be in grad school. Like it's

1050
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: it's just like an unusual.

1051
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: I always forget that detail of that.

1052
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: And then and he had some like major he had

1053
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: some major surgeries because he lost a bunch of weight,

1054
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: like he had like abdominoplasty and stuff, just like just

1055
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: very unusual stuff.

1056
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, hear about that. She holds walt to come home. Okay,

1057
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: So if you look at his life, remember he tried

1058
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: to have r O t C. Like he tried to

1059
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: have this group this fit when you can't because again

1060
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: he can't conform to what they want him to be.

1061
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: He's not going to be strong enough. He's not like minded,

1062
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: he's not that person. So now he moves on to

1063
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: something else and something else, and when he can't find it,

1064
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: he invents his own thing.

1065
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: It's just it's all really interesting, all right. So let's

1066
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: wrap this up by talking about why we are coming

1067
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: to visit you in Atlanta in a few days.

1068
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: And I am so excited y'all. But y'all are going

1069
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: to do a law enforcement training, which they are so

1070
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: thrilled about. Lieutenant Barry Barnes I think is the most excited.

1071
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: He literally stole your book from me. I haven't seen

1072
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: it since. He'll probably bring it to the training get

1073
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: you to signed it to heal. Then you're gonna a

1074
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: very cold meet and greet at the original Zone seven

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Speaker 1: Manual's tavern, and we've got some special guests coming to

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Speaker 1: that that you don't even know about. I think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. And then we're gonna do two, not one,

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Speaker 1: but two Whining Crowns and it's gonna be amazing. One's

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Speaker 1: already sold at Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Nights are awesome. Oh that's great. Yes, yes, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: looking forward to that. I and and you do all

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Speaker 2: these events all over different parts of the country. You

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Speaker 2: have that one that I'm definitely coming to. I'm bringing

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Speaker 2: my mom to, by the way. The one that you're

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Speaker 2: having in Lancaster near us. Yes, Lancaster's awesome. Have you

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Speaker 2: ever been there?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I have. And let me tell you that whole

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Speaker 1: set up I think is gonna blow your mind. That

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Speaker 1: what they're gonna do with us and you know, let

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Speaker 1: us have access to it's gonna be something else.

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Speaker 2: And that's animal CSI. So every like regular people can

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Speaker 2: go to that, right, Oh of course yeah, I think everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And that's what's awesome because I think there's so many

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Speaker 2: people that wanted to go to school for this and

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Speaker 2: maybe just couldn't. But now you're like, oh, you can

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Speaker 2: just go learn about this stuff just for entertainers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's awesome.

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Speaker 1: We've got Deathy coming, we've got Joe Jack alone coming,

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Speaker 1: and we've got a surprise. Guess that's gonna knock you out.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, be yeah, you're gonna. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My mom is like so excited that I'm finally bringing

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Speaker 2: her to something.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be wonderful. And this is the perfect

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Speaker 1: thing because I mean we've got one, we've got you know,

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Speaker 1: federal agents, and we've got animals. She's been crying. Now,

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Speaker 1: well let me tell you. I swear Traveler can tell

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Speaker 1: Tom because every night, about five minutes before Walt gets home,

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Speaker 1: she starts crying, and sure enough, then he walks the house.

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Speaker 2: Oh I was I was gonna text you tell to

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Speaker 2: talk to a wall about, you know, rubbing in his

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Speaker 2: face a little bit. That our baseball team swept you

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Speaker 2: guys the other a couple nights ago. So I was

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Speaker 2: just going, so it's really funny because I was gonna

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Speaker 2: text you the first night when they absolutely creamed them,

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Speaker 2: like the score was outrageous, right, and then I just

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Speaker 2: I went to sleep and then I forgot to text you.

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Speaker 2: And then the next day they got their ass kicked

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Speaker 2: a little bit. So Gabe was just like, this is baseball.

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Speaker 2: This is why you don't do that, because like you

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Speaker 2: would have looked them. Yeah, awesome. So all right, well

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Speaker 2: i'll see you in a couple of days. We're driving there,

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Speaker 2: so you know, we're gonna hit some things on the

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Speaker 2: way there, and we're really looking forward to hanging out

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a great time. And there's some people

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait for you to meet. You're gonna just

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Speaker 1: date it.

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Speaker 2: All right, awesome, I'm really looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: We all drive careful and I'll see your boat.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you gat. Thanks for being on the show today.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Thank y'all.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to mother nos death as a reminder,

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Speaker 2: my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a

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Speaker 2: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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Speaker 2: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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Speaker 2: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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Speaker 2: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

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Speaker 2: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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