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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to a new week of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you on a momentous day

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Speaker 2: in Bill's history. Here today as they formally broke round

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Speaker 2: on the new stadium, which we learned today Steve will

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Speaker 2: also be called high Mark Stadium. The Bill's naming rights

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Speaker 2: partner will continue to adorn the building when the new

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Speaker 2: stadium is completed. Bill's owner Terry Pagoula making that announcement

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Speaker 2: at the ceremony today.

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Speaker 1: Very nice. A lot of dignitaries you and I were

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Speaker 1: actually helped. We carried it live on the platforms, on

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Speaker 1: the app and stuff like that, and it was it

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Speaker 1: was fun. I was a lot of people over there.

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Speaker 1: Big moment. You think about the historic historicity.

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Speaker 2: I'm not looking for historical significance.

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Speaker 1: Good one. And you think about that. And there was

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Speaker 1: a guy with here today carry signs. He had tickets.

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Speaker 1: He had season tickets in the rock pile, season tickets

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Speaker 1: all the way through this stadium. And now he's looking

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Speaker 1: forward to having season tickets in high Mark and the

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Speaker 1: new iteration of high Markets. You know, it's it's mile

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Speaker 1: marker for a generation of Bill's fans Western New Yorkers.

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Speaker 1: It's a mile marker for a generation, a couple of generations.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember well, Mary Wilson there today, and you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of finally thinking back Ralph, they had a groundbreaking

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Speaker 1: thing over here for this stadium.

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Speaker 2: April fourth, nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 1: Think about it, April fourth, nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 2: Fifty one years, two months in a day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome stuff, awesome stuff. And the stat I can't

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Speaker 1: get over and I've been reciting it all day. High

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Speaker 1: Mark Stadium is older than the rock pile was when

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Speaker 1: they replaced it. That's amazing. A couple of you know,

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Speaker 1: been like four or five, half a dozen minor and

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Speaker 1: significant renovations. But nevertheless, across the street they go.

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Speaker 2: And I will say mister Pigoula carried the remarks with

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Speaker 2: his heartfelt mention of the ten victims of the mass

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Speaker 2: shooting in East Buffalo in May of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: He also mentioned his wife, Kim Pigoula, and how he

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Speaker 2: cheers for every day is she continues her recovery process.

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Speaker 2: We obviously wish her well as as well, you know,

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Speaker 2: missing her here in the office as we do. And

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Speaker 2: then Roger Goodell, the NFL Commissioner was on hand along

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Speaker 2: with the New York Governor Kathy Hokel, and they had

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Speaker 2: Eree County Executive Mark Polling Cars here and ron Riccuiya,

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Speaker 2: the executive vice president chief operating officer with the bills

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Speaker 2: who's been instrumental in shepherding this thing over the finish line.

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Speaker 2: And Goodell, you know, as we know, is a Jamestown native,

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Speaker 2: and he said he's been to about twenty groundbreakings over

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Speaker 2: the years, but none for him is more meaningful than

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Speaker 2: this one. He says, this community and these fans deserve this.

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Speaker 2: So really cool and the whole whole pomp and circumstance

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Speaker 2: the dirt, confetti exploding behind them. Really nice to see

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Speaker 2: it all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was a well done, poignant moment

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Speaker 1: and uh man, everybody was there. It was a great moment.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a significant moment for the political and

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Speaker 1: business entities that were involved, for the fans that were

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Speaker 1: there there. I met a ton of people today who

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Speaker 1: were with the Fan Engagement Committee, which is I don't

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Speaker 1: know whether this focus group or whatever's a group of

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Speaker 1: who have been part of the process saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: speaking on fans' behalf. I mean they had the fans

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Speaker 1: had a voice in this, YEP. So it was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: There was a ton of cooks in this kitchen getting

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Speaker 1: this done. And we'll see and I think the unlike

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Speaker 1: what you hear about in the say, I think this

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Speaker 1: is going to come out really well. This stadium is

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Speaker 1: going to be a tremendous addition to the region. Bill's fans.

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Speaker 1: I promise you you're gonna love it, and I promise

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Speaker 1: you you're going to be able to afford to buy

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Speaker 1: a ticket, and I promise you you're going to love

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Speaker 1: the team that goes in it. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to like about it. And certainly it's not without its

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Speaker 1: rough patches. But man, oh man, what a heavy lift

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Speaker 1: this has been for everybody involved, from the top all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the initial part of this project is going

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Speaker 2: and then in goo the explosives and baboom. I wonder

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Speaker 1: Let me know when that happens. The thing about it, though, too,

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Speaker 1: is this stadium isn't going to be like high Mark

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Speaker 1: is now now. It's going to be virtually most of it.

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Speaker 1: There's very little underground.

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Speaker 2: Well, what he told me was in the old stadium

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Speaker 2: they dug sixty four feet down here, they're only doing

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Speaker 2: feet is going to be concrete, right to support the structure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just so that doesn't sink.

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Speaker 2: But for those of you. I was also talking to

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Speaker 2: design for PSE and he's been instrumental in the design

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Speaker 2: he said, and if you've been to the stadium before,

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Speaker 2: you'll have a frame of reference for this. The old

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Speaker 2: stadium that currently sits across the parking lot here. You know,

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Speaker 2: the tallest thing in that stadium are the light stanchions.

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Speaker 2: He told me. The new stadium will be twenty feet

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Speaker 1: For a frame of reference, this thing is going to

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Speaker 1: look like a spaceship sitting in the Orchard Park. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's huge, Yeah, it's big. It's fifty percent. The

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Speaker 1: We all know how big it is. Now. You know,

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Speaker 1: you don't even want to walk around the darn thing.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be fifty percent bigger than that.

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Speaker 2: There is a seventy five thousand square foot ancillary building

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Speaker 2: stadium going up. And the reason for that is that's

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Speaker 2: going to serve as like ground zero for all of

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Speaker 2: the for basically the central nervous system of the stadium. Right,

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Speaker 2: A lot of the wiring and everything is going to

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Speaker 2: So it's just it's really cool, really cool, really exciting.

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Speaker 2: It was a Bills fan that we walked by on

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Speaker 2: was on her lunch breaks. She wanted to stop by

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Speaker 2: just to see the whole just show just if you're.

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Speaker 1: Stop, say hi, you know, say hi to everybody. And

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Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was an event. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: just like three cameras and two shovels. There's a couple

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Speaker 1: And we got they got yeah, they got a little

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Speaker 2: They had these these paper dump trucks filled with like

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Speaker 2: loading dock or the dump bay. And they had a

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Speaker 2: golden shovel for a spoon, and Steve got one.

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Speaker 1: Steve didn't steal it. They's supposed to take him. That's

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Speaker 1: what Steve cake, so make it look like I'm stealing silverware,

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Speaker 1: but that's what it was for. It's a little commemorative,

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Speaker 2: Very nice, and all of this somewhat overshadowed the other

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Speaker 2: Bills news that took place today. Ed Oliver signs a

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Speaker 2: four year contract extension this morning. The news broke over

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Speaker 2: the weekend, but he officially signed the contract this morning.

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Speaker 2: He was set to play on his fifty year option,

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Speaker 2: but now he has signed through the twenty twenty seven season,

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Speaker 2: so you know, twenty three, twenty four to twenty five,

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Speaker 2: number for this year and then added in the additional

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Speaker 2: four years after that. So he is a Buffalo Bill

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Speaker 2: until twenty twenty seven, or through twenty twenty seven season,

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Speaker 2: I should say. And I don't know how this one

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Speaker 2: between now and the start of the season, just from

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Speaker 2: two in the event that there is a rash of injuries.

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Speaker 2: You knew he had to do something. You couple that

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Speaker 2: when he said, yeah, we don't have any defensive tackles

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Speaker 2: under contract after this year on our entire roster, and

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Speaker 2: we would like to get that done sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: You knew that someone on that list was probably up

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Speaker 2: for an extension. The Bills choose their youngest player at the.

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Speaker 1: Of people were a little surprised by it that you

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Speaker 1: didn't think you know, Ed Oliver has not been as

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Speaker 1: they have asked ed Oliver to do and what he

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Speaker 1: if you play the way we want you to play,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we want you to stay here, right and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna reward you for it. And they're gonna stand

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Speaker 1: true to that. Now Ed Oliver has Maybe he's not

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Speaker 1: he's not a Pro Bowl or maybe he's not an

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Speaker 1: All Pro. But when you tell your entire roster that

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Speaker 1: ask him to do, that means guys who guys like

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Speaker 1: Ed Oliver as well. I think the opinion of Ed

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Speaker 1: Oliver inside One Bill's Drive is a lot like the

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Speaker 1: feelings they had about Spencer Brown this last year, where

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Speaker 1: people are like, I don't know, he didn't play that

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Speaker 1: well in well, he was injured. He's playing with a

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Speaker 1: with a bad wheel, and he's got all this stuff

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Speaker 1: came off back surgery, all of that stuff. But within

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Speaker 1: the billing, they see him every day, they talk to him,

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Speaker 1: they know the kind of human being he is. They're

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Speaker 1: going to make sure that guy stays around. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: put Spencer Brown right back out there. They're going to

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Speaker 1: sign ed Oliver to an extension that has a ripple

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Speaker 1: effect across the entire roster, and I think this is

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Speaker 1: one more move that solidifies the Bill's standing as a

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Speaker 1: destination where when players are out there on the market,

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Speaker 1: if Buffalo says something to you, they're gonna you can

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Speaker 1: just you may as well get it tattooed on you,

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Speaker 1: because you know, we're.

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Speaker 2: Aware that there has been fan criticism about ed Oliver's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the reported terms were four years, sixty eight million,

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Speaker 1: He may get into nine digits.

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Speaker 2: you're talking about a guy who's got twenty nine and

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Speaker 1: Had nine sacks last year in a down year for

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Speaker 2: He was coming off a knee injury in the offseason

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Speaker 1: I'm all about it that and you you made the

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Speaker 2: You give up a first round draft pick and you

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Speaker 1: And you guaranteed what was a sixty sixty million guarantee number.

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Speaker 2: But it's comparable production. Because here's the here are the

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Speaker 1: The opener, that's right. And I'll say this.

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Speaker 2: And I think what's lost on Leonard Floyd because he

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Speaker 1: Marie?

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, that afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Hey, So what was saying? I love the Ed Oliver resigning.

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Speaker 3: I love the Leonard Floyd edition. I really loved Taylor rats.

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Speaker 3: I think that was a great pickup. We gotta figure

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Speaker 3: out a way to keep him around long term. And then, guys,

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Speaker 3: I'm still not so on Gregor. So I know y'all

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Speaker 3: like him. I don't think he's going to be the

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame great edge guy. I think him and

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Speaker 3: Gabe Davis, I really believe, because it's their last year

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Speaker 3: before their contract is due, we need to trade both

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Speaker 3: of them, get something for them, not let them just

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Speaker 3: Walk or like Tremae Edmonds got to walk, we got

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Speaker 3: nothing pretty much for him. But I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: we need to get rid of those two guys. And

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Speaker 3: I was wondering, what's your take on that. I like Gay,

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Speaker 3: but he drops the ball a lot. And I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think that d Hops coming in maybe with Clear's

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Speaker 3: some cap space up. So I just want to know

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Speaker 3: what your thoughts on trading away those school before the deadline.

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Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, Marie. I will say this. It's

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Speaker 2: only Gabe Davis that's in the last year of his

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Speaker 2: rookie deal. Greg Russell was drafted a year later, so

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Speaker 2: he's only entering his third NFL season, so he still

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Speaker 2: has two years left on his rookie deal.

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Speaker 1: I would be shocked if Greg Russou's option isn't picked

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Speaker 1: up as soon as they can pick.

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Speaker 2: It up, which would be after this season.

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Speaker 1: After this season, And I would be shocked if Greg

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Speaker 1: Russau isn't here long term and gave Davis as well.

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Speaker 1: And it comes down to exactly the same thing it

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Speaker 1: came down to with Ed Oliver. I think those guys

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Speaker 1: have done everything the club has asked him to, and

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Speaker 1: certainly Gabe Davis. If you look at what he has done,

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Speaker 1: he has made some incredibly memorable plays and been a

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Speaker 1: part of this offense probably and his snap count, his

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Speaker 1: snap percentage is the highest of any wide receiver on

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Speaker 1: the roster, including Digs. Davis is on the field all

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Speaker 1: the time. It will leave a void, a big void,

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Speaker 1: And certainly I get it, you might like a guy

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Speaker 1: better like d Hop or somebody coming in who catch

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Speaker 1: the ball better and does all this stuff. But Gabe

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Speaker 1: Davis does a lot of things that you know you

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Speaker 1: never watch. He blocks in the run game, He's versatile,

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Speaker 1: he knows the offense extremely well and learned it extremely well,

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Speaker 1: extremely quickly. So he's got a level of intelligence that

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Speaker 1: I think they covet and a lot of football knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Would be surprised if either of those guys are not

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Speaker 1: on this team going forward. Now, that doesn't mean, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're not trying to get better at

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Speaker 1: those spots. But I do think those guys have done

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Speaker 1: the kind of thing that we've seen this GM and

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Speaker 1: head coach reward, and I don't think that means I

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Speaker 1: think that means they do not get traded in my opinion. Now,

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Speaker 1: that can still happen because you never know what the

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Speaker 1: deal is on the table, but I'd be surprised myself.

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Speaker 2: Marie, you are right that Gave Davis's catch rate was

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Speaker 2: not good enough last year. You're one hundred percent right

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Speaker 2: on that it was fifty two percent. That doesn't get

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Speaker 2: it done in the NFL. Gave Davis doesn't need to

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Speaker 2: be told that. He probably knows that and is fully

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Speaker 2: aware that he had a less than consistent season last year.

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Speaker 2: I think they are willing to give him the benefit

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Speaker 2: of the doubt to play out this year and see

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Speaker 2: if he can improve on those numbers. If he can't,

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Speaker 2: they may let him walk. If he can, he might

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Speaker 2: be in line for a nice size extension, So we'll

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Speaker 2: have to see how that plays out. I think Brousseau

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Speaker 2: is a little fit further behind the game, and I

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Speaker 2: would tend to agree with Steve. I think the fifth

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Speaker 2: year option is a real possibility as soon as it

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Speaker 2: becomes available after his third seasons in the books, and

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Speaker 2: I've stated this on the air several times. The way

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Speaker 2: this team, their track record with player development, players blossom

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Speaker 2: in year three. Now, we didn't see it with Gabe Davis,

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Speaker 2: but we've seen it with a lot of other players

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Speaker 2: on this roster, whether you want to talk about Tarren Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Matt Mulano, Tremaine Edmonds, Josh Allen. A lot of players

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Speaker 2: blossom in year three under this player development program. I

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Speaker 2: think they have the same hopes for Greg Rousseau, who,

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Speaker 2: by the way, played the second half of the season

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Speaker 2: through a high ankle spring and was not the same

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Speaker 2: Gabe Davis played through a high ankle spring, and I

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Speaker 2: think those guys playing hurt wins them a lot of

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Speaker 2: stripes with this coaching staff because the number one ability

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Speaker 2: is availability, even if you're not at your best. It's

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Speaker 2: something that's kind of expect it on NFL rosters. If

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Speaker 2: Steve always says all the time, there's a difference between

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Speaker 2: being injured and being hurt, right which being.

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Speaker 1: Hurt means being hurt, you gotta play through it.

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Speaker 2: You got to play through injured. Injured, you sit.

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Speaker 1: Down, you need to get better to play. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of the mantra that follows these guys around, no question

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Speaker 1: about it. You're never gonna feel good, but you gotta

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Speaker 1: play and how. And it's it's hard to play when

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Speaker 1: you don't feel your best. But these guys, most of

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Speaker 1: them are PhDs and doing exactly that because you don't

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Speaker 1: have a choice. If you want to play, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to play uncomfortable. And that's you know, unfortunately. I

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Speaker 1: think guys like Spencer Brown, Gabe Davis, there were other

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Speaker 1: guys around there, Greg Russo around the roster that did

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Speaker 1: that a lot last year. And you know, then there

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Speaker 1: are other guys like Micah Hyde and he's had he

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Speaker 1: missed the season because of it. Jordan Poyer, great example,

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Speaker 1: he saw that that guy started. He started looking like

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Speaker 1: a cyborg out there about two thirds of the way

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Speaker 1: through the season where he had you know, the obow thing,

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Speaker 1: had an extra tape job he had, you know, he

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Speaker 1: had the rib that rib thing all he had the collapse. Lum,

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Speaker 1: he's driving to games. I mean the guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's just a warrior. That's just the way it goes.

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Speaker 1: And his teammates love him and appreciate him for it.

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Speaker 1: But they got their own baggage they're carrying around too.

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Speaker 1: So there's a guy who is like that. And and

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Speaker 1: it's I said it earlier, same thing about Ed Olivery.

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Speaker 1: Never really heard about Ed Oliver being nicked or you know,

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Speaker 1: dragging around. That guy's available and one hundred percent a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of that ankle injury in week one and missed the

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Speaker 2: next couple of weeks after that, but came back sooner

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Speaker 2: than expected and maybe he wasn't right for a stretch there.

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Speaker 1: So being available is a big, a big deal to

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Speaker 1: this regime and it should be, so all of that

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Speaker 1: goes into the mix when they evaluate these guys. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: Greg Russou and Gabe Davis are no different, Spencer Brown's

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Speaker 1: no different, Tommy Sweeney's no different. They're all under the

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Speaker 1: microscope all the time. And I don't know, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on at this time of year,

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Speaker 1: so we kind of split hairs a little bit when

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Speaker 1: we evaluate these guys. But the coaches and the assistant

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Speaker 1: coaches and the staff, I mean, they intimately know the

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Speaker 1: ins and outs of all these guys and what they

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Speaker 1: are and what they bring to the table because they

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Speaker 1: see him and talk to them every day.

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Speaker 2: What do the latest defensive line developments mean to you

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Speaker 2: for Buffalo's defense, ed Oliver Leonard Floyd, You let us

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Speaker 2: know at eight oh three zero five fifty Scott and

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Speaker 2: Tanawan did Doug in Tanawan to Mike and Hamilton, Hang tight,

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Speaker 2: We'll get to you in the next segment. Here on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, go back to one Bill's Live. More of

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Speaker 2: your phone calls coming up here as we are asking

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Speaker 2: you today, what do the latest defensive line developments? At

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Speaker 2: Oliver Extension, reported Leonard Floyd, signing mean to you for

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Speaker 2: Buffalo's defense. Let's go right to the phones and to

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Speaker 2: Doug in Tonawanda. What do you got for us? Doug,

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Speaker 2: you're on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys for having me on.

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Speaker 5: I just think there's so much talent on both sides

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Speaker 5: of the ball.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: I look at the roster. I could keep sixty guys

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Speaker 5: instead of the fifty three. It's gonna be tough time

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Speaker 5: when they have the final cutdown. What do you guys think?

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I agree, it's not gonna be easy. I mean,

589
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Speaker 2: it's a good dilemma to have because you know, and

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Speaker 2: I don't have to tell Steve this, but you know,

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Speaker 2: inevitably there are going to be some guys that get

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Speaker 2: nicked and miss some time, whether it's training camp or preseason.

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Speaker 2: You hope. Those kinds of injuries are minimal in nature.

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Speaker 2: But you always lose a guy here or there. If

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Speaker 2: you got the depth, you don't feel it as much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the results don't have to suffer. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot of football to play and there's a long

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Speaker 1: way to go before we see the field. So I

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Speaker 1: mean sitting here and this is what you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: feel like before you go to training camp. This is

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Speaker 1: this is what a good team feels like. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we brown and I sat here through seventeen years of

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Speaker 1: a drought with way more questions and thoughts about, you know,

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Speaker 1: how this was going to go during the season than this,

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Speaker 1: and Bills fans, a lot of Bills fans remember exactly

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. This is a better place to be.

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Speaker 1: You certainly, you got questions that need to be answered,

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Speaker 1: You've got things you want to find out during the preseason.

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Speaker 1: But this is how most teams want to feel going

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Speaker 1: into a you know, going into the preseason and training

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Speaker 1: camp where you think, Okay, we got some tough decisions

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Speaker 1: to make. This that's where you want to be. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to go into training camp looking for something.

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Speaker 1: And so the Bills have and I think even if

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Speaker 1: you go to the even the middle linebacker spot, which

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Speaker 1: is you know, the one spot where they haven't made

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Speaker 1: some splash signing, even that you think, I know, there's

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Speaker 1: some guys there that can play. And if two or

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Speaker 1: three of the guys that are there at the top,

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Speaker 1: like Specter, Dodson, Klein, those guys have all and Ben

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Speaker 1: and uh Bernard as well, those guys all got a

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Speaker 1: year under their belt at least, if not more, with

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Speaker 1: the system, So they got some They've got some answers

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Speaker 1: there that they I think just need to be more

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Speaker 1: revealed rather than hoped for.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones and to Mike in Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 6: Mike, I just uh, I just wanted to say, I

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Speaker 6: think he you know, for once we've gone out when

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Speaker 6: it comes to this defensive end thing other than Vonn.

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Speaker 6: It's the first time we've got somebody who has a

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Speaker 6: proven entity and works with a proven piece of our

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Speaker 6: defense that we have being Vonn. So I mean, it's

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Speaker 6: it's fantastic that he's there. I think with an inexperience

635
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Speaker 6: are a less experienced linebacker core. I think he's going

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Speaker 6: to make a difference with that to alleviate anything up front,

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Speaker 6: and I'm sure that'll rub off during training camp. The

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Speaker 6: only other thing to say is those other guys, if

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Speaker 6: they're not producing at the time of training camp, that's

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Speaker 6: possibly where it's time to see you later. We now

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Speaker 6: have that dedicated strength. We've give him the money to Oliver,

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Speaker 6: so he's going nowhere. So the other guys, I think

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Speaker 6: if they don't feel like they're mark target, I think

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Speaker 6: that's the next angle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would tend to agree, Mike. If you're a

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Speaker 2: Boogie Basham or an aj Panessa or even a Shaq

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Speaker 2: Lawson who has looked upon very favorably by this coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: I mean they brought him back last year. The spots

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Speaker 2: are few and far between, and the opportunities are getting

650
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: smaller to make this roster. It's more difficult now you

651
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: have a proven player in Leonard Floyd, a proven producer

652
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: at that position. Von Miller's not going anywhere, and neither

653
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: is Greg Russo, a former first draft pick. After those

654
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 2: three at the defensive end position, may the best man

655
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: win because you're probably only keeping two more r on

656
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: the active roster anyway, right.

657
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: Five Max that four on Game Day four, defensive defensive.

658
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: Taxbab somebody on the practice squad.

659
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: They'll have they'll have eight guys on the D line

660
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 1: active every game day, if not nine, certainly eight maybe nine,

661
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: but we're depending on a special teams guy.

662
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: But we've been talking about the defensive tackle position, Steve.

663
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: I mean, look at that one. Yeah, because you're talking

664
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 2: Daykwon Jones making the roster, Ed Oliver making the roster,

665
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips presumably making the roster even though he's coming

666
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: off you know, a rotator cuff surgery. And then you

667
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: have Poona Ford, Tim Settle, and and Tim Settle his

668
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: contract actually costs you money if you move him off

669
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: the roster, so he's unlikely to be moved. So that's five.

670
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: That's five guys right there. Yeah, I mean, and then

671
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: you got six or seven at defensive end. And look,

672
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: you can put veterans on the practice squad. I believe

673
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: the max is five or six veteran players you can

674
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: put on your practice squad.

675
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: You've got Leonard, Floyd shack Lass and aj At Panessa, Boogie,

676
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: Greg Russo von Miller. Then you also have Shane Ray,

677
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd Kingsley Jonathan shack Loss and Boogie Basham, Cameron

678
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Cameron Klein. They got some guys, man.

679
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just gonna be hard to make

680
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: roster decisions at defensive end, it's gonna be hard at

681
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: defensive tackle too, And like, what are you doing? Are you?

682
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: Are you keeping? And we had a great question in

683
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: the mailbag last Friday when we had Christrap Passaw in

684
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: here for you, Steve, and forgive me for not remembering

685
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: who sent the question in, but they were asking with

686
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: these new kickoff rules might have change some of the

687
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: roster decision making. When you get down to player fifty one,

688
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: fifty two, and fifty three, are you maybe keeping one

689
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: less linebacker knowing you might be covering less kicks this

690
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: year and keep an extra defensive lineman or something like that.

691
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: It's just one example, but you know what I'm saying.

692
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way it's gonna they're disperse, how the snaps

693
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: disperse on special teams. So if you get like eight

694
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: punt punt punt return snaps maybe well actually probably twelve

695
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: on both sides, you get a punt punt return and

696
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: twelve of those snaps and you get if they're scoring

697
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: in the thirties, you're gonna get what five kickoff returns

698
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: with a half and maybe four with a field goal. Yeah,

699
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna get six kickoff returns.

700
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: The Bills had forty five total punts.

701
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: Last year, right, not many?

702
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 5: Right?

703
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: More? I'll bet more kickoffs, that's the thing.

704
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: But the problem is the kickoffs are a jog because

705
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: bass spanks it out of the end zone. Or with

706
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: the new rules now, with the new rules now, it

707
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: may be we may be talking about like a reverse

708
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: effect on what we're talking about. If the new rules

709
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: and you start snapping it down there about eight feet

710
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: off the ground, knuckling where the guy's got to feel

711
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: the hot kick bouncing around, that may not go in

712
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: the end zone. You may need more guys to cover

713
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: those kicks because they're going to pick it up and

714
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: run with it, because you're going to force them to.

715
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going under the assumption that maybe we're gonna

716
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: maybe you choose and make a decision and say, look,

717
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: we got ten defensive linemen that we really want to

718
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: keep all of them. Where are we sacrificing because you

719
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: got to sacrifice somewhere, And does this new special teams

720
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: rule coming to play it all. It could based on

721
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: what your anticipated approach is, or it may not. If

722
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: you're going to be a coverage team still.

723
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: Right, and if you come out and say listen, it

724
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: could be a week by week Tyler bask could do

725
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: this because he's that good. Say listen, this week, we

726
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: want you to We want you to hit it hot

727
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: down the middle. We're gonna cover these because we only

728
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: have seven defensive line eight defensive linemen. We got ten dbs,

729
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: seven receivers. We got enough guys that and we got

730
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: some some guys that can really cover a kick in

731
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: a salty manner, right, we're gonna get them. So we're

732
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: gonna let them return these and force them and see

733
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: if we can tackle them inside. The twenty other weeks

734
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: we got ten defensive linemen coming. We only have five

735
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: receivers and eight defensive.

736
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: Backs and four lineas.

737
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: So Ta Bass, we want you to kick this out

738
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: of the end, Zon because we don't want to cover

739
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: any of these. We ain't got the guys.

740
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Right, I'm thinking more of

741
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: the formation of the fifty three, oh yeah, than I

742
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: am about the week to week lineup right, I got

743
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: you and I'm wondering if it if it impacts the

744
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: week to week lineup.

745
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: The fifty three is more about the week to week

746
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: forty eight or forty nine. Out of the sixty nine guys,

747
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: you got the fifty three roster and the sixteen practice squad.

748
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: You got sixty nine guys to pull names out of that.

749
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: You can build your roster on game day. Certainly, you

750
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: gotta wind up a couple of days early for the

751
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: practice squad to get them up and activate them, but

752
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: they'll be ready, so that to me, the game excuse me,

753
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: the game day roster is really the thing that becomes vital,

754
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: and it's vital for the players too. It's a it's

755
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: a big deal to get on the field. That's gonna

756
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: be I think that I think it's going to be

757
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: really tricky, and I think Brandon Bean and Sean are

758
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: going to have long conversations about philosophical conversations about what

759
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: if and if this, then that, and if that happens,

760
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: then this happens a lot of that, a lot of that,

761
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: and you know Matt Smiley's going to be in the

762
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: middle of that. Sean McDermott's defensive coordinator is going to

763
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: be in that, you know. Certainly Ken Dorsey's going to

764
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: be in the middle of that, you know, and the

765
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: coordinator's gonna say, listen, I'd like to have thirty offensive

766
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: players this week. You can have twenty defensive players, you know,

767
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and vice versa. You know, we

768
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: want twelve defensive linemen, eight linebackers, you know, and you know,

769
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: twenty defensive banks.

770
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: You know.

771
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: Want I wanted the whole team to be defensive players

772
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: for me, so I can switch them out that kind

773
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, obviously and being sarcastic to make a point.

774
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: All those voices are in the room though, when you're

775
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: trying to build your fifty three on game day, and man,

776
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: oh Man, special teams is the great wild card, particularly nowadays.

777
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: Let's squeeze in Dan and Florida here real quick before

778
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: we go to break. What do you got for is Dan?

779
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 4: All right? Guys, thanks for taking my call very quickly.

780
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: I believe I'm excited about the two signings today, but

781
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 4: I believe that the change is going to be the secondary.

782
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 4: I think you're going to see a lot more free

783
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 4: safeties as opposed to too, particularly because of the signing

784
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: of Rap from LA. He's a better runch stuffer I

785
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 4: think than Karen Johnson. Karen Johnson was exploited last year,

786
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 4: particularly in the red zone, and I think Reps can

787
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 4: also coverage and he can move him up when he

788
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 4: can blitch, and I just think you're good. The change

789
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: is going to be as secretary.

790
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he is a versatile chess piece Dan,

791
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: There's no question about it. I don't know if that

792
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: becomes their MO, but I know that Sean McDermott did

793
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: use a three safety package during his time in Carolina

794
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: because he had three good safeties down there, but it

795
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: was a package of plays. It wasn't their identity. I

796
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: think down in the red zone would be a time

797
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: where you might see that more, especially if you're play

798
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: in a team that knows how to pound it and

799
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: you know they can pull a guard around the side

800
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: and take Taron Johnson out of the play. Maybe Taylor

801
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: Rap is a better option, but I think there could

802
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: be a hybrid Nickel package with Taylor Rap something like that.

803
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: He's too good to not put on the field.

804
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think that he's more than just some insurance policy,

805
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: for sure. And I'll say this too. The red zone

806
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: stuff that you're talking about with tarn That was to me,

807
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: It's part and parcel of what the Bill's defense was.

808
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: They are maybe the only defense I don't know that

809
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: there's another defense in the league that played one personnel

810
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: grouping more than the Bills played Nickel, and sometimes it

811
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: bites them when a team matches up well against them,

812
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: particularly in certain down in distances or certain zones on

813
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: the field, like a red zone like you mentioned. Maybe

814
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: that changes this year with Rap on the roster, or

815
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't, But I think that has as much

816
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: to do with it as Taron Johnson being good or bad.

817
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: I think it's the philosophy of the team to go

818
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: with aed number a limited menu of personnel combinations. Defensively.

819
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Speaker 1: That means there are certain times when you get into

820
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: where they don't do something well, you're still stuck in

821
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: that defensive personnel and there you are if you're talking

822
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: about red zone stuff. And there have been years in

823
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: the past where the Bills have not been good, and

824
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: that has been their achilles heel. In nineteen twenty one,

825
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: their achilles heel was the red zone. They worked on

826
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: her hard and didn't get any better. Maybe it was

827
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: because of the personnel packages.

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Speaker 2: We'll see break time for us here, Mari, your phone

829
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: calls when we return on one. Bill's Live. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 7: Well.

831
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Speaker 2: As we told you today, Commissioner Roger Goodell was here

832
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: for the groundbreaking ceremony on the other side of Avid

833
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: Road for the Bill's new stadium. He also took a

834
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: few minutes to take in the Bill's Ota practice today

835
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: which was closed to the media, and he was greeting

836
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: several players out there as they came on to the

837
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: practice fields, you know, saying some hellos, shaking some hands,

838
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: and then he went all NFL Draft night. Goodell and

839
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: bear hugged Damar Hamlet and he came out for practice today.

840
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: It was really cool. Just wrap a giant bear.

841
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: Say this too. DeMar sought him out. Damar came over

842
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: and running, you know, because they had obviously had had

843
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: interacted on a number of occasions because of the work

844
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: that has emerged and the awareness campaigns that have emerged

845
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: because of Damar's cardiac event on the field at Monday night,

846
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: So the Commissioner and DeMar spent some time together, and

847
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: so DeMar came jogging over and they you know, had

848
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: a moment there. You can tell there's some familiarity between

849
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: the two of them. Obviously from these photos. This was

850
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: not just a photo op. It was a genuine encounter

851
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: by those two guys.

852
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: And then Damar over the weekend just held a hand No, sorry,

853
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: I always get this wrong. Hands only CPR clinic at

854
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: the stadium on Saturday and was handing out free aed devices.

855
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: So he was handing out defibrillators to those that came

856
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: to learn hands only CPR. So still doing that good work.

857
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones and to Bill in

858
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: Old Forge. What do you got for us?

859
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 5: Bill?

860
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: You're on one Bill's Live.

861
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, let me start with first, Terren Johnson my

862
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 5: personal opinion, pound for pound, he's the best tackler on

863
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 5: the team, the guy when he hits you, you go down.

864
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 5: You don't get extra yards. Period. With Teraron Johnson, I

865
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 5: think he's great. My thing with a defensive lineman. We

866
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 5: loaded up and Steve. This goes back to your day.

867
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 5: You played in the nineties, right, You didn't take Bruce

868
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 5: Smith off the field? Why do you want to take

869
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 5: them off the field? And even in the nineties two thousands,

870
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 5: If you're going to pay these guys big money. My

871
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 5: personal belief is they should be on the field more.

872
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 5: And I know we have guys now with pitch counts

873
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 5: and these guys love rotating the defensive lineman and that's

874
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 5: all sigh and Danny, But when you're paying on as

875
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 5: much money as you are, and you're paying now Oliver,

876
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 5: you know, I don't like the way they rotate these

877
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 5: guys in and out so much, especially when sometimes they're

878
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 5: not getting pressure from the other players, and even the

879
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 5: running back by committee. If a guy's hot, keep them

880
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 5: out so they see that back in the day. I'm

881
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 5: not big on taking guys off the field when they're hot.

882
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 5: I don't think the players want to come out the

883
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 5: fields for the most part. I think they want to

884
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 5: be out there. They're competitive as Outlet's why they're in

885
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 5: the NFL. So my question is this, Basically, when we

886
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 5: had the cold front and we had to say Mario Williams,

887
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 5: Darius Kyle Williams and Jerry Hughes, those guys were on

888
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: the field a real lot. They weren't pulled off that

889
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: much and we were great. Man, We're getting the quarterback

890
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 5: every season they were here. Now it seems like we're

891
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 5: rotating guys in and out so much that I don't

892
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 5: like that we're paying all over that much money if

893
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 5: he's not going to be on the field more like

894
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 5: Darius or Kyle Williams were. I don't like that we're

895
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 5: paying Vala Miller so much money if he's not going

896
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 5: to be out there, you know, more to get to

897
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: the quarterback. What's your take on what it used to

898
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 5: be like and what do you feel about rotating guys

899
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 5: so much on the d line or do you think

900
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 5: they should be on the field more.

901
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It's a good point, Bill, and

902
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: I get where you're where you're coming from. The problem

903
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: is this, You got other guys on there that are

904
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: making pretty good money too. Everybody makes good money. Now,

905
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: certainly Vaughn's making more than anybody, and this guy's making

906
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: more than anybody. But depending on the on the structure

907
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: they're they all make good money. They pay all of

908
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: them and that's why they all get on the field.

909
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: And it would be lazy and probably inaccurate to a

910
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: large extent for me to sit there and go, yeah,

911
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: you had that cold front with Mario Williams and Kyle

912
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: Williams and all those guys. The defense was great, getting

913
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: to the quarterback all that stuff. The team couldn't get

914
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. The way they're doing it now gets production.

915
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: And while I've said it a ton, you're right, that

916
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: cold front defense with all those guys that you're talking

917
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: about was exciting to watch. It was a playmaking defense.

918
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: This defense is statistically ranked in the top five every year,

919
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: but it looks very different. It has not been spectacular playmaking.

920
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: It has been solid and kind of more of a

921
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: foundational thing. And the fact that they rotate those players

922
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: in make sure that laid in games, they don't give

923
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: up plays because they've got fresh guys going. And I

924
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: know that's hard to watch as a fan. You want

925
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: your best players on the field, particularly in critical times,

926
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: but the fourth quarter and the first and second quarter

927
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: is just as important as the fourth quarter. Their philosophy

928
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: is to keep guys fresh so that late in the

929
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: game when the game may be in doubt, they got

930
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: fresh guys going, even if it is their top line guys.

931
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: So it's a different philosophy, but the games are won

932
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: and lost in the fourth quarter when your guys are

933
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: fresher because of the rotation, And like I said, all

934
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: those guys get paid good money. All of them are

935
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: gonna want to play, And you're right. If they're good,

936
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Speaker 1: and if they're worth a penny, there's the money you're

937
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Speaker 1: paying them. They don't want to come off the field.

938
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: But that's a given, not a characteristic.

939
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 2: It's a different game. It's also a different roster. You're

940
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: talking about the twenty thirteen Bills. Here are their backup

941
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: defensive linemen behind Kyle Williams, Mario Williams, Jerry Hughes and

942
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: Marcel Darius Corbyn, Bryant Stefan, Charles, Jay Ross and Jamal Westerman.

943
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: The team in twenty thirteen did not have the depth

944
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: to rotate if they wanted to. This team does, and

945
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: look around the league, everybody's doing it. The Jets dress

946
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: nine defensive linemen against the Bills last year in both games.

947
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: There are other teams that do it too. The Bills

948
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: were trendsetters in that area because they got better and

949
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: more consistent play by rotating players. It's just the way

950
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: they do business.

951
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: So's and yeah, so this I gotta have the depth

952
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, you can chalk that up probably

953
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: a little bit to the evolution of the game. It

954
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: was different then, it's different now. And for your thoughts

955
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: on Taron Johnson, you're not alone. Greg Cosel always comes

956
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: on and says, Taron Johnson is the most competitive nickelback

957
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. That's why the Bills put

958
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: him out there and don't take them off.

959
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: It's just a problem when the guard's running at him

960
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: and even he's not good enough to stop that. That's

961
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: the issue. We were discussing break time here because when

962
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: we come back, Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network will be

963
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: joining us. We'll have him look up and down this

964
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: Bill's roster and see what he thinks next. On One

965
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Speaker 2: Bill's Live presented by Collide Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

966
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: This this is One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

967
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: All right, here we are hour number two on a Monday.

968
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Welcome into One Bill's Live.

969
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: Please to be joined now by NFL Network analyst Daniel Cheremiah,

970
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: who's gonna chop up this Bill's roster a little bit

971
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: with us. Daniel, how are you doing good? To have

972
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: you enjoying your summer here?

973
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 8: Oh, it's been nice. The weather's been beautiful.

974
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 9: I wish the Patters could hit a little bit, but

975
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 9: other than that, it's been a nice offseason.

976
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, life is tough in San Diego.

977
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: That's the first world problem there, Daniel.

978
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: I just gotta tell you, let's begin. Let's begin with

979
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: the newest stuff that's coming down. It's not official by

980
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: the team, but the reports are out there by some

981
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: of your colleagues that Leonard Floyd is headed to Buffalo

982
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: on a one year deal. I think his pass rush

983
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: production is clearly proven in this league. Ever since he

984
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: went to the La Rams, he's really flourished. He's a

985
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: pretty good edgesetter though too. I think I think he's

986
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: kind of underrated as as a run defender. Just your

987
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: thoughts on his complete game, Daniel.

988
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 9: Well, one, I was shocked that he hung around the

989
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 9: market as long as he did, because you mentioned it.

990
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 9: The production there against the pass has been excellent. That

991
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 9: was kind of the one thing that was missing early

992
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 9: in his career there in Chicago, you know, moving around,

993
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 9: doing a lot of different things with them, almost kind

994
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 9: of a victim of his own versus utility. And then

995
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 9: all of a sudden he goes to the Rams and

996
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 9: they let him, you know, play on the edge, and

997
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 9: we saw the pass rush tick up.

998
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 8: He's always been good against run.

999
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 9: Even when he was off the ball, he was good

1000
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 9: against the run. He's got such long arms he can

1001
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 9: set the edge and I thought you saw him really

1002
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 9: develop a pass rush repertoire as he got more reps

1003
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 9: at it with the Rams. So you know, there's a

1004
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 9: familiar familiarity there with von Miller, And obviously I think

1005
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 9: he was, you know, very selective wanting to go to

1006
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 9: a place where he had a chance to win a

1007
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 9: Super Bowl. So he's already got one of those, one

1008
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 9: of those trophies. He's hunting for another one, and Buffalo

1009
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 9: is a pretty darn good place to go.

1010
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and getting back together with von Miller and

1011
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: the other guys that they have they rotate through. How

1012
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: has it gone? And you know, he had a little

1013
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: bit of a down season after post posting double digit

1014
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: sacks for two years prior. The entire team had the

1015
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: down year last year. What are your thoughts about him

1016
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: coming to this group of defensive line leaving the La

1017
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: Rams defensive lineman. How's that going to change things the

1018
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: guys around him?

1019
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 9: Well, I think it's you know, you look at the

1020
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 9: Super Bowl year that they had and when you had

1021
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 9: a healthy Aaron Donald out there. The difference that he makes.

1022
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 9: And you know, to me, Steve, when you look at

1023
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 9: look at the teams were in the Super Bowl last year.

1024
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 9: You know, you guys saw Kansas City up close. You

1025
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 9: look at at what the Philadelphia Eagles had, it is waves.

1026
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 8: You know, that is the way you do it. All

1027
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 8: the great teams you played on. You know, it's not

1028
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 8: one guy to guys.

1029
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 9: You might have a couple, you know, individual stars, but

1030
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 9: it's really become a league where you need waves of

1031
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 9: these guys. Seventeen games schedule, it's grind and just be

1032
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 9: able to take that pressure off when when you're the

1033
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 9: lone ranger out there and you're getting doubled each and

1034
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 9: every week, seventeen game season, you get in the playoffs,

1035
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 9: that's exhausting. You know, last year it was to talk

1036
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 9: when von Miller went there was okay, how do you

1037
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 9: preserve him so that he's healthy and fresh for the

1038
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 9: games that really matter at the end of the year.

1039
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 9: You know, fortunately he got hurt. But I think it's

1040
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 9: the same philosophy here. It's to strength in numbers, and

1041
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 9: they've got a good group there if they can keep

1042
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 9: Von healthy. Now you add him to the mix. I'm

1043
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 9: still a big believer in Greg Russeau. I think you've

1044
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 9: seen him continue to take steps. He's still incredibly young. Epanessa.

1045
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 9: You know in baseball they always talk about like those

1046
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 9: the underlying numbers that would predict that there's more success

1047
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 9: on the horizon. You know, his get off numbers and

1048
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 9: a lot of the analytics stuff with him says there's

1049
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 9: more in the tank with him as well.

1050
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 8: So I'm excited.

1051
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: I like this move a lot at defensive tackle. You know,

1052
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean had a slew of players, but all of

1053
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: them were on expiring contracts. You know, he was gonna

1054
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: have like five free agents in twenty twenty four, and

1055
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: he said he wanted to try to avoid that if

1056
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: he could. Now he signed the youngest of the group

1057
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: to a contract extension. I know there's been some I

1058
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 2: don't want to say pushback, that's too strong a word.

1059
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: There's been some head scratching from some members of the

1060
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 2: Bills fan base because in their eyes, they haven't seen

1061
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: the week to week consistency from Ed Oliver that they

1062
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: think they should for a contract of this size, how

1063
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: do you kind of look at Ed's body of work

1064
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: here thus far now heading into this second contract.

1065
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 9: Well, I think he's a great example of the difference

1066
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 9: between disruption and production. You know, like to say, Okay,

1067
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 9: maybe some of the production hasn't been what you'd hoped

1068
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 9: it would be, the disruption has been there. He plays

1069
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 9: on the other side of the line of scrimmage. You

1070
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 9: see that when you pop on on the video there,

1071
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 9: So maybe the stats don't necessarily get where you want

1072
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 9: them to get. But he's a disruptive player, and I

1073
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 9: think to Bean's point, you know, this is like one

1074
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 9: of the hardest things to find is interior players that

1075
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 9: can penetrate and can get on the other side of

1076
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 9: the line of scrimmage extremely rare.

1077
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 8: And with a game plan.

1078
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 9: Now, when you have an edge rusher and you can

1079
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 9: dedicate backs and tight ends and we can get away

1080
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 9: from them a little bit, we can game plan around

1081
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 9: them a little bit. I don't know that it's ever

1082
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 9: been more important to have an interior player that can

1083
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 9: really really disrupt things run and pass. So, you know,

1084
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 9: I think that's what, you know, what this signing is

1085
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 9: all about. It's some of it is about, you know,

1086
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 9: believing in in what's to come with him, buying on

1087
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 9: the future. He's still young. And the other thing it

1088
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 9: says to me is it just shows you how hard

1089
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 9: it is to find guys that you don't want to

1090
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 9: take that chance of going out and trying to find one.

1091
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: Now, certainly, you know everybody, all these teams, particularly in

1092
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: the AFC, who have their quarterback who's taken snaps and

1093
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: kind of everything pivots off of that. One of the

1094
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: things that this Bills regime learned early on was it

1095
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: starts up front on both sides of the line. The

1096
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: Bills have spent a lot of capital and a lot

1097
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: of attention, paid a lot of attention to what happens

1098
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: between their offensive tackles, as well as signing a guy

1099
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: like Ed Oliver on defensive side of the ball as well.

1100
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: But they've got you know, Osiris Torrents, top draft pick,

1101
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern, they signed David Edwards, they brought in, They've

1102
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: already got you know, Ryan Bates, Greg Manns, Mitch Morrise,

1103
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: of course Ike Budker. They've got a ton of interior

1104
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: offensive linemen. And the one thing that seems to be

1105
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: the overriding factor is they're all three thirty plus. I mean,

1106
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: they got some big dudes down inside. Is that you know,

1107
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: That's one thing that the Bills have always done, have

1108
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: learned early on here, and they have never forgotten. They

1109
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: spend more time on the interior of their defensive line

1110
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: and on the edge of their defensive line than a

1111
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: lot of teams do. Is that exclusive to them or

1112
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: what teams do you see do that? And why? And

1113
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: why do the Bills spend so much time doing it?

1114
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: And other teams sometimes don't?

1115
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 9: Well, the teams that do are usually the good ones.

1116
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 9: I mean the way that you win and I'm not

1117
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 9: telling you guys anything you don't know there. I mean

1118
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 9: you win with elite quarterback play, you win with the

1119
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 9: dominant pass rush, and you win with an offensive line.

1120
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 9: I've kind of changed my philosophy a little bit on

1121
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 9: the offensive line and that Okay, man, you'd love to

1122
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 9: have a bunch of all pros up there, but it's

1123
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 9: like the anti Tomato kNN offensive line, Like I just

1124
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 9: you're as strong as your weakest link. I cannot have

1125
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 9: one guy out there that is going to be the

1126
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 9: target each every week. And if I've got four all

1127
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 9: pros and one you know, left guard who's just awful.

1128
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 8: Well, guess who.

1129
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 9: They're gonna fan out protection and attack the entire game.

1130
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 9: They're gonna go after your weak guy. So to me,

1131
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 9: when you can have the depth that the Bills have

1132
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 9: been able to amass and really just say, look, okay,

1133
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 9: we have we have some really good players in this mix.

1134
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 9: And I think even on the defensive line you say, okay,

1135
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 9: we have some really really good players. But to me,

1136
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 9: it's not you know, maybe you can go around cherry

1137
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 9: pick individual players around lake say maybe you don't have

1138
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 9: one of those, and maybe you don't have one of these,

1139
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 9: But to me, they've taken the margins and they've really

1140
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 9: been able to squeeze it and get down to the

1141
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 9: point where it's like, okay, there's not much drop off

1142
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 9: when we go from number one to number three, from

1143
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 9: number five to number seven, and a war of attrition

1144
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 9: in the NFL, that's everything, because I mean you see it.

1145
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 9: I see it doing the Charger games every week when

1146
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 9: you're preparing for the game and you look at the

1147
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 9: other team and this guy sticks out like a sore thumb.

1148
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 9: They're gonna target this guy, this is gonna be Joey

1149
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 9: Bosa's gonna have a feeding frenzy when they get him

1150
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 9: on this guy.

1151
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 8: The Bills have aminated that.

1152
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know that Sean mcdermot's going to be calling

1153
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: the plays on the defensive side of the ball now, Daniel,

1154
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: everyone we've asked, you know, in terms of his track

1155
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: record and history as a defensive play caller in Philly

1156
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: and Carolina is when we ask people to give us

1157
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: a description, they say aggressive when describing you know, Shawn's

1158
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: nature in calling plays defensively. This Floyd anticipated Floyd acquisition,

1159
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: you know, coupled with Vonn who's already on the roster,

1160
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: and then a chess piece like a tailor rapp who

1161
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: may not start, but it's too good to keep off

1162
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 2: the field. And we know Shawn's done three safety packages

1163
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: in Carolina in his history. How aggressive do these new

1164
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: pieces enable him to be?

1165
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 9: Well, that's a great question, Chris, to me, I think

1166
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 9: you look at it aggressiveness in a couple different ways.

1167
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 9: Number one is okay, do you want to send extra bodies? Well, yeah,

1168
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 9: you can, you can do that. That's one form of aggressiveness.

1169
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 9: The other form of a to say, look We've got

1170
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 9: really really talented players along this front, So we're going

1171
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 9: to eliminate the thinking. We're not going to ask you

1172
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 9: guys to sit and read. We're going to just attack

1173
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 9: with these guys. Let him get on an edge and go.

1174
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 9: That's another way where you can play aggressive. And I

1175
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 9: think what Sean will do is I think he'll mix

1176
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 9: that up. He'll match that up depending on the opponent.

1177
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 9: But I you know, I think sometimes people here aggressive

1178
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 9: and they think, oh gosh, you're going cover zero and

1179
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 9: this is all out. You know, you're sending six seven

1180
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 9: guys every snap. I don't think that's what he'll do.

1181
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 9: But I think he'll pick his spots, and having some

1182
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 9: of those versatile pieces in the back end will allow

1183
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 9: him to do so. But I think if you ask

1184
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 9: any defensive coordinating to the NFL, if they had their choice,

1185
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 9: if they could get home with their four and really

1186
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 9: really attack with their front, that's the best way to

1187
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 9: play in the league right now.

1188
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: What do you see as the trend that BROWNI and

1189
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: I were talking about. We watched out and watched a

1190
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: couple of practices at least through stretch, and the Bill's

1191
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps has gotten two things. One much much

1192
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: bigger even with the with the addition of Deontay Hardy,

1193
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: who's five to six, the rest of their guys, the

1194
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: rest of their guys are significantly bigger and significantly younger

1195
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: than they were a year ago. With a departure of

1196
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: John Brown Cole Beasley, they have gotten much much younger,

1197
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: not only with those slots, but also the slots that

1198
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: are vying to take over. What are your thoughts about,

1199
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, this kind of measurables for this wide receiver

1200
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: corps and helping Josh Allen get maybe a more efficient

1201
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: crew on the field.

1202
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a couple couple things

1203
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 9: that come to mind. They're number one, obviously, the strike

1204
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 9: zone gets bigger, which any quarterback is gonna love. And

1205
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 9: I would say, you know, as many postseason games as

1206
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 9: this young group has played together now and Josh's career

1207
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 9: getting a chance to see playoff football, I think the

1208
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 9: windows shrink. I was talking to a defensive coordinator about

1209
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 9: this a couple of years ago and he just said,

1210
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 9: you know, we were talking about evaluating guys on the

1211
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 9: other side of the ball, and he said, when you

1212
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 9: get in playoff football, the you know, the the under

1213
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 9: raided aspect of a wide receiver's play strength. Just because

1214
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 9: it's going to be more contested, the windows are gonna shrink.

1215
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 9: Can you can you get combat catches? Can you catch

1216
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 9: the ball and absorb contact and still make plays. You're

1217
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 9: just not going to be able to shake free and

1218
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 9: get wide open like you are in the course of

1219
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 9: a regular season. So I think, to me, this is

1220
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 9: a team where everything you're building now is towards a championship,

1221
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 9: and so it's those little areas trying to see, Okay,

1222
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 9: what's the difference here. Well, you know, maybe being a

1223
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 9: little bit more physical, and that's also going to benefit

1224
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 9: the run game.

1225
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 8: You know, no block, no rock.

1226
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 9: There's a lot of teams that have that philosophy, get

1227
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 9: out there and be physical. And now you've got guys

1228
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 9: that can really play that way on.

1229
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: The defensive side of the ball. The Tremaine Edmunds void

1230
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 2: is going to be filled by somebody in house. They

1231
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 2: did not sign, you know, a major free agent to

1232
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: come in and battle for that position or step into

1233
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: the starting role. And I thought it was interesting last week.

1234
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: Linebackers coach Bobby Babbage Junior basically said in an ideal world,

1235
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: you have two matchup linebackers out there for our defense,

1236
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: which to me screams an athletic guy that can cover.

1237
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: They certainly have those kinds of players in house. Dorian

1238
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: Williams is one of them, and Terrell Bernard is probably

1239
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: the next most athletic in terms of coverage ability. What

1240
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: do you have to protect against though, when you have

1241
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 2: that kind of an athlete running around out there at

1242
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 2: your mike linebacker spot.

1243
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, look, it's no mystery. If you can't cover,

1244
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 9: you can't play linebacker in this league anymore. So that's

1245
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 9: like where you start. If you can't do that, then

1246
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 9: it's just you know, it's not gonna work, So you

1247
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 9: have to start there. Then hopefully you as those guys

1248
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 9: play more, you can get a little bit of physicality

1249
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 9: out of them. They're just gonna have to beat blocks

1250
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 9: with their quickness, slip blocks, play underneath blocks. That's gonna

1251
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 9: be the way that they're going to have to play.

1252
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 9: And Dorian Williams, like just you know that name coming

1253
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 9: up as someone who study going into the draft. That

1254
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 9: was his specialty is beating guys to spots, and in

1255
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 9: that way, there's gonna be times you're gonna get caught

1256
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 9: and you're gonna get wiped out a little bit. But

1257
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 9: to me, you start, I just want the guy to

1258
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 9: be able to cover first and foremost, and then we

1259
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 9: can work around everything else.

1260
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you talk about, you know, working around everything else.

1261
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: This is a defense that has been really solid. This

1262
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: has been my take for a long time about the

1263
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: defense under Leslie Frasier. Very solid top five defense year

1264
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: in year out, but lack the ability or the characteristic

1265
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: of making a play when it really mattered. Certainly we

1266
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: got a little of that early last season when von

1267
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: Miller showed up a couple of sacks on opening weekend

1268
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: against the Rams, his old team. You know, then he

1269
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: got injured later in the season, and it was a

1270
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: team that was very difficult to move the ball on,

1271
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 1: really good on third down, but when it came time

1272
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: to make a real play, get a turnover, get get

1273
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: that sack, force fumble, sack, strip fumble, it just didn't

1274
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: seem to have the kind of playmakers to do that.

1275
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: Is there a philosophy or a you know, perhaps a

1276
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator can make a difference in that reg guard

1277
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on on a defense and being

1278
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: maybe perhaps lower rank than in the top five, but

1279
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: more spectacular at the occasion in the timely moments.

1280
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, and and look, you're trying to get you're trying

1281
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 9: to get extra possessions. The game is so slanted towards

1282
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 9: the offense right now. So if you can, you know,

1283
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 9: get some turnovers, get in a couple of extra possessions,

1284
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 9: that's the name of the game. And I think it

1285
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 9: goes back to what we were talking about earlier in

1286
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Speaker 9: terms of being able to play free, being able to

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Speaker 9: play fast, and that aggressive kind of attacking mentality, and

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01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 9: that can come in a couple of different ways. So

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Speaker 9: you know, I'm hoping that's that's the answer, because I

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01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 9: think they have the athletes, especially you throw Leonard Floyd

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Speaker 9: into the mix. Now they've got guys that can win

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Speaker 9: one on one. To me, I think it's about simplification.

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Speaker 9: Let them get on an edge, use your athleticism, and absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Go and live with it.

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Speaker 9: Look, they pop a draw on you here or there

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Speaker 9: and you give up a you know, an explosive run.

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Speaker 9: To me, you just you got to live with that

1298
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Speaker 9: because you've got to embolden these guys to play, you know,

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Speaker 9: all gas, no breaks going forward, no no hesitation, less thinking,

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01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 9: more attacking. I think the way the offense is going

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01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 9: to put up points for Buffalo you can afford to have.

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Speaker 9: You know, you can afford to give up one here

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 9: or there. I think you're better suited just play aggressive,

1304
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 9: see if you can't steal the ball back.

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Speaker 2: Last one for you, Daniel, and again thanks for the time.

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01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: I can't believe we got this far without talking about

1307
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: the top draft choice that you were over the moon

1308
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 2: about in NFL Networks draft coverage. I think you said

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01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 2: something to the effect of if the rest of the

1310
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: league's going to allow the Bills offense to get Daltink

1311
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: and Kate, it's not even fair. What can we truly anticipate?

1312
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 2: You know, we know that in Buffalo you really have

1313
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 2: to earn your time on the field as a rookie,

1314
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: even if you're a highly touted first round draft choice.

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Speaker 2: There are exceptions in the Bean mcderman era, but they

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01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: are very few. So I think in two years you're

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01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,799
Speaker 2: talking about an eighty catch guy. What do you envision

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Speaker 2: for him in year one?

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01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 9: I think red zone. I think he's going to be

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01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 9: a weapon down there. I don't think he's gonna have

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01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 9: to catch that many balls to have an impact. I

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01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 9: think he's some wady that can go out there and

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01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 9: get you some some key third downs, some key red

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01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 9: zone catches and production and find his way into the

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01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 9: end zone. I think it's it's it's going to help

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01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,839
Speaker 9: alleviate some of the pressure on digs and knocks because

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01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 9: it's just another guy you're gonna have to account for.

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01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 9: So I think it just all fits together in the puzzle.

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01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 9: The run after catch is going to be outstanding. You know,

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 9: it's a matter of just how many balls are to

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01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 9: go around that that will limit his production early on.

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01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 9: But I think I think the exact thing I said

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01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,839
Speaker 9: was if this, if somehow the league allows the Buffalo

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 9: to get dalton kin Kai, then it's going to get

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01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 9: what it deserves.

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Speaker 2: That's what the light was.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that that that's where we are because to me,

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01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 8: he's just such a weapon.

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01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 9: And you know, with tight ends, a lot of times

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01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 9: you go, okay, we get the you know, kind of

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01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 9: the combat catch guy, the physical in a crowd catches,

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01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 9: and then you get the undersize. You know it can separate,

1344
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 9: but man, you lose some of that physicality. He gives

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01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 9: you both. So I was a huge fan of his game.

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01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 9: From the first tape that I watched against USC, I

1347
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 9: was sold. All he did was uncover and make plays.

1348
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 9: So again, I'm as excited as you are about your two,

1349
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 9: but I wouldn't sleep on year one being pretty fun

1350
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 9: as well.

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Speaker 1: Daniel, thanks so much for spending some time with us today.

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01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you down the road.

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01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 8: Appreciate you, all right, Appreciate you guys. Tick care All right.

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01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 2: That's Daniel Jeremiah, NFL network analyst, big on the draft

1355
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: obviously and also does Chargers games for the Chargers radio network.

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01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 2: He's sunning it up out there in San Diego. Must

1357
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: be pretty nice, yeah, out there catching Padres games.

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01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know it's the off season. You know,

1359
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: the guys are down down.

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01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: But I tried to my best to remember exactly what

1361
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: he said about Kim Kaid, because he was like, holy cow,

1362
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 2: the Bill's got that guy. Yeah, he couldn't believe it.

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01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: I hope he's right. I think he will be.

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 2: I think he is right. But that's I wanted to

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01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: ask him because you know, you get so excited, you know,

1366
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 2: as a fan of this team about what kim kid

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01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 2: can do when you saw what he did at the

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01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 2: college level. But then you have to remember he's being

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01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: incorporated into an offense with proven performers like Stefan Diggs,

1370
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 2: you know, like Abe Davis, you know, likea Dawson Knox

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01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,560
Speaker 2: who has fifteen touchdowns in the last two years. And

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 2: you wonder how much of the volume of targets he's

1373
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: going to see. And he mentioned red zone, Steve, that

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01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 2: was the first thing that he mentioned. And you and

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01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: I have already talked about this. Are we going to

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 2: see Knox and Kincaid on the field at the same

1377
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: time in the red zone? I think we will to

1378
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 2: a great degree.

1379
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Out in regular down and distance. Out in the field,

1380
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: target shares a gut is a real thing. I mean,

1381
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,919
Speaker 1: he's not going to come in and command Travis Kelsey targets.

1382
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see how he evolves into it. Now,

1383
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,719
Speaker 1: certainly he may have games like that or have evolved

1384
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: to that point by the end of the season he

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01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: gets a game or even a playoff game where he

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: got has double digit targets. But Steph Diggs is still

1387
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: a guy that is option number one in the offense

1388
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: and has proven his ability to handle that and do

1389
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: that ken Kaid with his catch radius and his ability

1390
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: to make difficult catches and catch a high percentage of

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: his targets. If it comes out like that, you know,

1392
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: that's just that's just the way it works, Brownie. You

1393
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: come out and you catch everything, You're gonna get more

1394
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: balls to catch. So we'll see how that evolves with

1395
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: Kencaid and Josh Allen and Steph Diggs in the mix

1396
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: along with Dalton, Dawson, Knox and the rest of the guys.

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: So targets share early on is the big unknown, because

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01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: first of all, you don't know how what personnel they're

1399
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 1: gonna use him at and what his skill set's gonna

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01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: be gonna look like. With Josh Allen pulling the trigger,

1401
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: we'll see it's fun to think about.

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01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones though, at eight oh

1403
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: three oh five point fifty one eighty eight five fifty

1404
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 2: two five fifty, where we're asking you what did the

1405
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 2: latest defensive line developments mean to you for Buffalo's defense.

1406
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 2: We go to Tom on the west side, who's been

1407
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: waiting patiently. What do you got for us?

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01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: Tom?

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01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I just wanted to say to answer your

1410
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 7: question today. I love that the Bills have the potential

1411
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 7: to sign Floyd. I was watching him on the free

1412
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 7: agent market ever since it came out, and it's like,

1413
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 7: how come nobody's signed him? This guy? I mean, I

1414
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 7: would have liked to have gotten some high, higher ranked

1415
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 7: guys than him, but he was. He was in there,

1416
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 7: and I understand the Bills had to free up the

1417
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 7: money in the Caps space to get him, and with

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01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 7: the length of time, it brought down the level of

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01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 7: pay and the length of contract. I understand all that,

1420
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 7: but we had a lack of We lost Tremaine Edmonds

1421
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 7: and we really didn't get a linebacker in the draft.

1422
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 7: Get we got a Matt mullanery replacement. Maybe you know,

1423
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 7: you got a week's side linebacker. We didn't get a

1424
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 7: middle linebacker, and he plays linebacker. He might be able

1425
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 7: to fill that void. But anyway, you guys were talking

1426
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 7: about the kickoffs and the new rules, and I'm wondering,

1427
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 7: couldn't they do a free kick and instead of putting

1428
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 7: the kicker in there, just have the punter go out

1429
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 7: there and send it up end over end and hope

1430
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 7: that they got the wrong receiver out there. The return

1431
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 7: man could bring it back because a lot of teams

1432
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 7: have different return men depending on whether it's a pun

1433
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 7: or a kickoff.

1434
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

1435
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you can't do a free kick. I don't

1436
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: and I the reason you don't use a punter is

1437
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: the fact that you can't get enough. I don't know.

1438
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: Bruce de Haven explained all this to me one time,

1439
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: and I don't think I can remember it now.

1440
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 2: I think you can do Can you do a drop

1441
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 2: kick kickoff?

1442
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: Drop kick? Yes, but not a punt, not a free kick,

1443
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: So you can do a drop kick, which is even

1444
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: more And believe me, I think with the advent of

1445
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: this new rule, special teams coordinators are huddling around and

1446
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: they're they're going out to the practice field with their

1447
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 1: kicker and saying, what can you do? Can you do this?

1448
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: Can you do that? And you're also going back and

1449
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: looking at film about kicks who did exactly what you're

1450
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: asking to do, and what it looked like on film,

1451
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: the timing of it and how it disrupted things, and

1452
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: how it's gonna work with the rules.

1453
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1454
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: And they're also going to look at where it makes

1455
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: you vulnerable, because for everything you do, you're gonna leave

1456
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: your yourself open to the to a possibility that that

1457
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: it's not been thought about or not been experienced because

1458
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 1: of you know, the situation. It's never been encountered because

1459
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: of this new rule. Yeah, they're going to try all that. Uh,

1460
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: it's not legal to set the punter out there unless

1461
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: it's a free kick. I'm pretty sure about that. And

1462
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: the reason they do it when they do a free

1463
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: kick is because they're punting it from the twenty and

1464
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 1: they want the hang time rather than the distance what

1465
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: I remember. So yeah, yeah, it's hard because forget me

1466
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: for not knowing that right off the top of my head.

1467
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: But the entire rule book gets thrown into a paper shredder.

1468
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: When you do special teams. It has its own new

1469
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: set of rule books and as set of rules, so

1470
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: the regular rule book doesn't apply.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but more of

1472
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 2: your phone calls when we come back, So John and

1473
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 2: Sloan hang tight. You'll lead us off after the break

1474
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 2: and we'll have more discussion on the latest defensive line

1475
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: developments for your Buffalo Bills here on One Bill's Live,

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01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 2: presented by Collide Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right,

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01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 2: welcome back to one Bill's Live. Yeah, it was a

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01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 2: groundbreaking ceremony. Today there's a groundbreaking and a ursary as well, right, Steve.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Gordon and Joanne task for my mom and dad.

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01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: Most of some of you out there have met them.

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01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: They come to Bill's game. They've been for like twenty

1482
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: seven years. They made the trek up here at least

1483
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: once a year for a football game. Gordon and Joanne

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01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: celebrating their sixty ninth wedding anniversary today. Both of My

1485
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: mom just turned ninety three. My dad is about to

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01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: turn ninety three this next month. Sixty nine years together.

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01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: I tweeted out a picture today. I didn't I didn't

1488
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: give Jay the picture so or he would have shown

1489
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: our viewers on MSG. But the picture I found out

1490
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: was it was their first date and now nineteen fifty four,

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01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three, fifty four. So Gordy and Joanne are

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01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: fat and happy in Winfield, Kansas. They watched the show

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 1: and occasionally when they're not taking naps.

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01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 2: I'm just so, I'm just gonna say, congratulations, Congratulations Joanne.

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01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: Amazing feat sixty nine years. Listen, what is dude? Fifty

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01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: three years ago? All our grandkids their grandkids are now

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01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 1: migrown children, their grandkids. That we celebrated their seventieth birthdays.

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01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: It was twenty three years ago. It was like a

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01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: big deal.

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 2: But if fiftieth is the golden anniversary, is there something

1501
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: for sixty? Is that platine? What the heck is it?

1502
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 10: I don't know.

1503
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 2: I think is there even past that? They blew past that?

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01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: I think it's aspirin, But I'm.

1505
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 7: No.

1506
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 1: But congratulations to gorge them. And I'll say this too.

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01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: You know you obviously they're special people. But the one

1508
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 1: thing I can say about them, when you call them,

1509
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: they'll make each other laugh and it's one of the

1510
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: most enduring things about their marriage. If I can give

1511
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: some advice, if if you can make your spouse laugh

1512
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: every day, you're on the right track. So Gordon and Joanne,

1513
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: happy end of first sery. Congratulations And I'll say this

1514
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: to my mom's recovering from surgery. She had her shoulder

1515
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,520
Speaker 1: replaced because she was playing soccer with her great grandkids.

1516
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: Should we all not have you know, if you're going

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01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: to have your shoulder replaced, do it playing soccer with

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01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: your great grands kids.

1519
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: So there you go, jo They want to take it's

1520
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: a much much easier.

1521
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: She can't throw Boci now she got.

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01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,520
Speaker 2: Amazing. Yeah, that's fantastic.

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01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones though. We're talking defensive

1525
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,799
Speaker 2: line developments and what they mean to you for Buffalo's defense.

1526
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 2: We go to John in Sloan next. What do you

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01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 2: got first? John, You're on one. Bill's Live.

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01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 11: Hi, Hi, Chris and Steve. I just had a little

1529
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 11: off subject, but I was wondering about DeMar Hamlin after

1530
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 11: he's you know, got hurt in the feeld like you

1531
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 11: did last year. I thought they said that they paid

1532
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 11: his contract out fully, and I just was wondering. I

1533
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 11: can't remember, you know, they said they paid off for

1534
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 11: I don't know if they did that, and if they did,

1535
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,919
Speaker 11: how it would affect the cap and his contract going forward.

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01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 11: I had one other question about Josh Allen and Can Dorsey.

1537
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 11: I just wondering if they have too much of the

1538
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 11: same attitude, if that's like a problem because I remember

1539
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 11: last year. I can't remember exact play. It was towards

1540
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 11: the end of the year though, but they had gave

1541
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 11: us Davis on like a goal route and they just

1542
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 11: missed it. And then the next play they tried the

1543
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 11: same exact play and missed it again, where maybe if

1544
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 11: Dable was still here, he would have said, Okay, we

1545
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 11: missed that. Let's get our first down and maybe try

1546
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 11: that play later again. So I was just wondering about

1547
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 11: Hamlin's contracting that and what you thought of that.

1548
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: All right, all right, I'm not sure about the details

1549
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: of it, but I think what I would assume, and

1550
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: maybe that's the wrong thing to do. But when they

1551
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: said they were going to, you know, pay Dumor's contract,

1552
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: that no matter how what the outcome of his situation

1553
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: was in the in the aftermath of the injury, they're

1554
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: gonna say, listen, we're gonna take care of him. We're

1555
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: gonna pay every cent that he had on his contract,

1556
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: whether whether he's with us or not, whether he plays

1557
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: again or not, whether he comes back to Buffalo or not,

1558
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna pay his contract because we think it's the

1559
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: right thing to do, and of course all of us

1560
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 1: agree is awesome. It would count against the cap, and

1561
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: I would think that they will pay that as it

1562
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: would have been due if he had been playing, So

1563
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: they didn't just write him a check for the rest

1564
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: of the contract. They will pay him as it comes

1565
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: due if he had actually been a playing member of

1566
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: the Bills. So now that he's making a comeback and

1567
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: he's back out there on the practice field and stuff,

1568
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure it just kicks back in. They're gonna keep

1569
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: paying it, so pay him like they normally would have.

1570
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: But I think in the aftermath that's what they meant

1571
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: that if the worst happened, that they would take care

1572
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: Damar and his family in that regard.

1573
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: As for Josh and Ken Dorsey, I mean, yeah, they're

1574
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 2: both intense competitors, but who isn't at the NFL level.

1575
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: That's half the way you get here in the first

1576
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 2: place by having that kind of demeanor and that kind

1577
01:21:55,640 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: of mindset. It's very hard to take one play and

1578
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 2: assign personality traits to two people as identical because they

1579
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 2: did the same play the second time and went for

1580
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: the big shot the second time. I do think there

1581
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 2: were instances last year where Josh tried to bite off

1582
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 2: more than he could chew and tried to get it

1583
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 2: all in one play instead of trying to get a

1584
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 2: first down and you know, living for a fresh set

1585
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 2: of downs. And I think he would be the first

1586
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 2: to admit that after reviewing his film. As a matter

1587
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 2: of fact, when he talked to the media, you know,

1588
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 2: when they came back for the offseason conditioning program, he

1589
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 2: indicated that he probably took a little too much risk

1590
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 2: at times last year and wants to reel that in

1591
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 2: ever so slightly to make more of the smart plays

1592
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 2: to finish drives more often. And this is for a

1593
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 2: team that was number one and third down conversion rate. So,

1594
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 2: as we've said many, many, many times, Josh Allen is

1595
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: one of the most self aware quarterbacks we have ever

1596
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 2: seen here in Buffalo. He knows where his game may

1597
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 2: be a little bit off track at times, and he

1598
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 2: knows how to pull the thing back onto the rails,

1599
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: maybe better than anyone we've seen before. He doesn't fall

1600
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 2: into the same trappings that his competitive nature can put

1601
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: him in at times. He pulls himself out of that

1602
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 2: by taking a hard and honest look at his own play.

1603
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: And he's very real with himself.

1604
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: Right, And I'll say this, You're right, it's hard to

1605
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: make generalizations over one play. And I know this too.

1606
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 1: You'll use one play as an example of your point,

1607
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: which doesn't mean you're doing exactly what we're accusing you

1608
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: of doing. But what you got to know is the

1609
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. And we used to get this a lot,

1610
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: even with day Ball when he was doing it the Bills.

1611
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: The last fullback that the Bills had, well Tim, I

1612
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: can't remember the guy from Carolina That last year was

1613
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: the first year they didn't have him actually as a fullback.

1614
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: But day Ball they get crushed because day Ball has

1615
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: the full back going down the field deep on the

1616
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: right sideline, Josh tries to hit him. Well, everybody's up

1617
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: in arms over having that be the play call. Well,

1618
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: here's the thing. As an offensive coordinator, you're giving your

1619
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: quarterback options. Day Ball and Ken Dorsey can draw up

1620
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: a play where they've got the least likely wide receiver

1621
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: being doubled deep down the field by the best two

1622
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: defensive backs, which is exactly what you want. But you

1623
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: don't want Josh to throw it there. But once in

1624
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: a while Josh throws it there. Or got the guys

1625
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: going down the field and you're trying to take a

1626
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: deep shot. You got a guy standing in the flat

1627
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: wide open. They forgot about him. He could catch it

1628
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: and run it for twenty yards. Great offensive play call,

1629
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: great design. You got the defense and Josh throws itt

1630
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: someplace else. That happens to every quarterback. It happened to

1631
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly, it happened to Dan Marino, happened to oh Way,

1632
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: happens to Mahomes, happens to all those guys. So you

1633
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: tend to marry your offensive coordinator with your quarterback and

1634
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 1: blame the coordinator when it doesn't go well. First and foremost, always,

1635
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: in forever, it's the players, not the coordinator. And there

1636
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: you're getting that from a player. It's the it's the players,

1637
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: and certainly the coordinator should give them plays they can

1638
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: execute and all of that, but it's hard to stand

1639
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: back there and make the right choice every single time.

1640
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: So while coordinator draws this play up and the quarterback

1641
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: tries to fit it into a fat guy guarded by

1642
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: two athletes, that was never where the ball was meant

1643
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: to go. And you're pulling the two best athletes from

1644
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: the defense away from the formation, so that one of

1645
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: your great athletes, not the fat guy running deep, but

1646
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: the skinny guy who can catch against a fat one

1647
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: of their fat guys. Right, that's the way it works.

1648
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: And sometimes the quarterback or the guy drops it or

1649
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: that gets tipped at the line of scrimmage, or he

1650
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: doesn't see it, or he has to sidestep and all

1651
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden the play's empty and he has to run.

1652
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: All that stuff happens, you know, football gets in the

1653
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 1: way your play call. But don't make the mistake of

1654
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: rolling all your criticisms of an offensive coordinator into a

1655
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: play because the quarterback tries to fit a ball into

1656
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: an impossible window, into a bat into a guy that

1657
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: can't catch covered by two great players, you know, So

1658
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: it's hard. You got to break it down on a

1659
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: big comprehensive level if you're going to go to that

1660
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: level of an analysis, and and I don't think you

1661
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 1: come to the same conclusions if you do that.

1662
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's squeeze in Cody in Kansas City before we

1663
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: go to break here what you got, Cody.

1664
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 10: I was just going to talk about how much I

1665
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 10: really like the at Oliver deal, just because you didn't

1666
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,759
Speaker 10: overpay for the guy, and I love his effort, brings,

1667
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 10: high energy, good character guy. And if you guys remember

1668
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 10: he should have had like four or five more sacks

1669
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 10: probably six in his career. Something about defensive holding literally

1670
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 10: gets called on the same play he gets sat quite

1671
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 10: a bit. So I just don't really agree with the

1672
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 10: hate that's that that deal has gotten. I just I

1673
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 10: think he's really good and we haven't seen the best

1674
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 10: of you mad either.

1675
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: I'll say this, and I'll say this for Cody. I

1676
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: kind of agree with you one thing. And I think

1677
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: Bill's fans, you know, a a little out of character

1678
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: when they come to talk about ed Oliver. Ed Oliver

1679
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent all the time. I don't see

1680
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: him take plays off. I see him get stoned once

1681
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 1: in a while. Yeah, sometimes he can't get there and

1682
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: sometimes he's you know, he can't make the play, but

1683
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: never because it's lack of effort. And I think that's

1684
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that this coaching staff holds in

1685
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: high regard.

1686
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,839
Speaker 2: And I thought our guests earlier this hour, Daniels Jeremiah

1687
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 2: from NFL Network probably framed it the best. He's more

1688
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 2: of a disruptor than he has been a producer. That's

1689
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 2: not to say he can't produce going forward, but one

1690
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: thing he is consistently is a disruptor. He may not

1691
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 2: be the guy at the end of the play making

1692
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 2: the play, but he up things enough to spill plays

1693
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 2: into the arms of his teammates. I think he is

1694
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 2: very good at that and always has been. We have

1695
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 2: to take a break here. Some final thoughts with some

1696
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 2: comments on the tweet sheet. Next here on One Bill's Live.

1697
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 2: Go to the tweet sheet to find out what the

1698
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 2: latest defensive line developments mean to you for Buffalo's defense.

1699
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 2: Sweet sheet brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, the

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Speaker 2: official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. And Andrea says,

1701
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm feeling real good right now. Ford and now Floyd,

1702
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 2: We're looking good. Burrow, Mahomes and Jalen Hurts. We need

1703
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 2: all the help we can get. Mike says, gotta stay healthy,

1704
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 2: assuming they do. I really like what Brandon Beans put

1705
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 2: together in general on that side of the ball. Garvey says,

1706
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 2: the team is not going to risk rushing Vaughn back,

1707
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 2: and they are all in on owning the line of

1708
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 2: scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Me says, just

1709
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 2: love it that. Being the magician, it's still finding ways

1710
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 2: to improve the roster from the top down, and BNC

1711
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 2: says the latest development show Buffalo is prepared to start

1712
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 2: the season without Von Miller, having Miller on pup would

1713
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 2: give us another roster spot until week six for Floyd

1714
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 2: and Shane Ray to battle it out. That's an interesting dynamic.

1715
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot going on. It's gonna be fun preseason.

1716
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: It's gonna get started here. In another month, we're gonna

1717
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: be thinking about training camp. We're gonna be doing the

1718
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: show from Rochester and oh yeah, it's wind up, It's

1719
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: it's I'll get my time off fast.

1720
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rick says on the tweet cheek. This must be

1721
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean's answer to the Jets trading for Aaron Rodgers.

1722
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 2: Well played, sir, They're ready for week one either way.

1723
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow at one