WEBVTT - Hot Scoop w/ Marc Malkin 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.479 And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.160 And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.360 Welcome to and That's What You Really Missed podcast. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.000 I'm Jenna and I'm Kevin. 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:15.960 Still tell me about today. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:17.720 Well, when you and I first talked about this, we 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.959 talked about the different doing the podcast, what kind of 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.280 guests we could have on the show right, and we 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.160 wanted to make sure we got the people from all 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.160 the different sides of this that were involved in it. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.600 And one of the first things we thought of was 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:39.000 Mark malkoln Mark Malkin, who is entertainment journalist extraordinary and 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.120 at the time he was working for e He now 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.559 works for a variety and has always been there for 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.800 us on the carpet and off the carpet and is 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.400 one of just the sweetest, sweetest people you could ever 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.440 meet and has always been so encouraging and it's been 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.480 incredible to watch his career also just skyrocket and take off. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:05.880 And he was one of those people on like the 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.800 very very first Red Carpets we ever done, like he's 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:09.600 he was our guy. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.040 He was a familiar face on the Red Carpets too 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.320 when we would go and see him, and obviously. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:15.760 We talk about all this, so we're just gonna let 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:17.440 you listen. But he really was. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.080 It was very comforting to see him there at these 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.039 events that can feel so kind of you, kind of 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.520 like go on autopilot a little bit, and it was 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.560 nice to see like a friend and yeah, I'm really 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.160 excited for this conversation. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.120 Enjoyed Mark Malkin, Mark Malcoln, thank you so much for 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.080 joining us. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:39.959 Oh my gosh, I'm getting emotional. 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:41.720 It is so good to see and hear you. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.119 Are you? 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:49.280 You know, I like little hair on my arms standing 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:54.360 up and preparing for this, like, you know, doing google searches. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.960 Mark Malkin, Glee, Youngline, and the stories that were coming 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:00.640 up that I forgot about. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.160 I mean, I would, says Elton John if he wanted 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.400 to be on Glee. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.880 Yeah, really, he said he wanted to, but no. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:10.639 One asked him to. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.440 Oh no, we dropped the ball on that one. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.880 I'm trying to remember where on earth was I sitting 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:22.200 down with. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:25.600 It was a weird time, Mark, it was a weird 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:26.440 time for all of us. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.639 Do you know how many stories were blah blah blah, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.640 would love to be on Glee, blah blah blah, love 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:37.120 to if anyone could sing, I asked him anyway, Sorry, 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.200 I know. 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.040 So when you thought about coming back to do this podcast, 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.239 a really important thing for us was to be able 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.360 to talk to people, yes, that worked on the show 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.800 every single day, but also the people who we saw 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:57.200 the most outside of that set, which the first person 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.440 we talked about, Jenna and I was you. Because almost 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:05.840 at every red carpet, especially the beginning, the person that 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.920 would be there and would be so nice to us 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.200 because none of us knew what the hell we were doing, 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.920 and we would have thoughtful, insightful questions that weren't just 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.960 the run of the mill, no offense to anybody else. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.440 But and you have always been like that about yeah, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.920 And I have to say, like, looking back as a 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.520 very closeted gay guy back then, seeing you on the 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.720 red carpet like would make me so excited because I 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.280 felt like, like I'm safe with him. I can like 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.080 I just want to hang out with him, to talk 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.560 to him. And so I'm not making this up. When 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.320 you were one of the very first names that we 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.280 talked about, like who we have to interview to have 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.520 on the show. So thank you for being here. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:55.160 So this is you can come down here and get emotional, 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:56.120 like what is with your bob? 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:04.040 Definitely, No, this is definitely a bit of therapy. There's laughter, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.960 there's crying, there's everything, all of it. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.160 Yeah, Okay, what do you want to know? 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.920 I want to know. I want to know it all. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.400 But I want to know when you first Do you 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.880 remember when you first saw the pilot of the show. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.160 Yes, I still. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.120 Have the DVD on the pilot, which I think I 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.440 sent it Kevin because I think I found it on 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.080 my I posted it once on my Instagram. 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:29.919 I literally still have that DVD. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.479 Not that I have a DVD fire, but I mean, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:41.400 and I remember Chris Alexander, who is the publicist. Maybe 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.680 he called me or sent me an email. Was there 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.840 an email back then, I don't know. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.920 Yes, with the Dinosaur, yeah exactly. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:52.640 I sat in my office. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.760 I was at the News of the time online and 0:04:55.839 --> 0:05:01.600 I sat in my office and I bawled watching it. 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:07.000 I was by myself, and I cried. I literally cried. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:12.080 I kept watching Don't Stop Believing, over and oh, even 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.480 now before I got on with you guys, I listened 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:19.200 to it again, just hearing those first notes, and I 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:24.080 remember going to everyone at egoing this is this show 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:30.039 is going to be huge, you know, and then you know, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.240 as a journalist, it's like it's going to be huge 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:33.640 just because I'm a gay guy and I love. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:39.000 The excomater and clean. But I was, I know, this was. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:42.680 You know, it was the life that I wanted to 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.680 live when I was in high school. And it was 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:51.760 you know, it's the cliche. We had never seen anything 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:59.599 anything like it. There was all these you know, new 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.839 actors obviously, you know, there were some that had some 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.160 you know background that kind of. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.360 Knew you know what. No, I didn't know anybody. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:12.400 Why am I anybody was? No, I didn't, And I 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.760 was like, we've got to get on it. We've got 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.480 to get on the show. And like you know, Kevin 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.039 said earlier, then it was like I was going to 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.680 send visits before you guys even premiered. Yeah, which is 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.880 wild when I think, like I was like, especially when 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.280 Leah got funny Girl, I was like I was on 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:36.839 set when she sang, don'ts wow some theater I think 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.200 in the Valley, maybe Glendale, Burbank. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.640 Yeah, well we had we had the theater in Long Beache, 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.920 but no, you're right, it was. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.279 Yes, yeah, and sitting on the steps, and I remember 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.719 doing interview with the two of you. I probably have. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.240 I mean, if I went through my storage, I have 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.359 the files Corey and everyone. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:06.920 So when you would normally get sent DVDs of new 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.440 shows coming out and things like this, was this. I'm 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.280 sure you got some things all the time by networks 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.000 network publicists doing their job. Here's the new thing we're premiering. 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.440 Like what is given to you? Are you instructed like this? 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.240 We're really behind this? Do they believe in everything you 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:23.920 get sent there like this is our new hottest thing, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.560 blah blah blah blah blah, and you do with it 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.160 what you want? Or was this like another thing that 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.160 came across your desk and you just happened to love 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.000 it and then from there you took into your own 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:37.960 arms and then I'll tell you what I want. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.800 The buzz for Glee was starting way before we saw anything. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.000 You know, Fox was on it. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.720 They knew this was something special, so we were being 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.680 told about the show. I can't I don't remember the 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:52.240 first time. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:57.400 I was told about the show, but there was definitely like, 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.120 couldn't wait to the pilot. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:05.040 Wouldn't wait until they could show me the plight, right, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:06.840 so the pilot, because then there would be like these 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.400 secret screenings, certain episodes that I would go to Fox 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:13.200 and would be like five mi us in a room. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.320 But that was that was later really oh yeah yeah, and. 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.280 It'd be like embargoed and you couldn't talk about it, 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.120 but they'd want us to see it for when it 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.440 write about it or just get the excitement and. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:29.680 Get you know, people talking about it. But yeah, I 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:33.000 mean literally, I mean I for this day. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.480 I get especially now because there's so much content. You know, 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.480 things are thrown at me. But there's definitely like a 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.520 machine in place for certain projects where it's like, okay, 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.560 we're really emphasizing this. And then you know there are 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.760 people who will say something is the best thing, and 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.520 I watch it, like literally the other day, someone's pitching 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.160 an actor for me to interview about a certain show. 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.680 I'm not gonna say it, and I watched the show 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:03.520 and I was like, uh, And I was honest, I said, listen, 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.360 there's no heat on the show, no one's talking about it. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.400 Can we wait till your client's next project, m because. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.120 I don't think it's going to do your client any 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:14.880 good for me to talk to them about a project 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.520 and no one's That's that's how the sausage. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.720 Is made interesting, so interesting. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.679 Wild because mad obviously we were not privy to all 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.000 those secret screenings. We did not know any of that 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:27.600 was going on. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.640 Well, you know what what was amazing was that, you know, 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:38.120 as you know, there were certain moments in the show 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.400 that became news stories before they were in the moments 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.920 the biggest you know, one of the biggest ones, and 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:45.559 it's just so weird to think about it because it 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.040 was just a different time. Was you know, will you 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:54.720 know Darren and Chris, Kurt and Blaine kiss And there 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.400 were literally I had interviews after interviews and no one 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.920 was allowed to say if they kiss, and they would, 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.439 and I did all these headlines like blah blah blah 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.360 teases you know, their kiss And it was right about 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.720 the same time where was Eric phone shoot and Jesse 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:14.080 Tallaferguson going to kiss on Modern Family. Now, it's just 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.200 so you know, that's still a story when actor of 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:18.520 the same sex you kiss. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.560 It depends on the project, obviously, but that was such 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:28.880 like a such a thing. Yeah, yeah, which is just 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:34.000 you know, you know that I have so many thoughts 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.640 about it like it was in many ways also promoting 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:38.600 on a. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.720 Not an anti It wasn't an anti gig, but it 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.360 was like we were making it so taboo and I said, 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.360 weed media and the show for that matter, we were 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.320 making it so taboo of two guys to kiss. Was 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.320 it really that positive doing all those things? 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.240 Like which aspect was it feeding? Is it feeding into 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:00.320 the heteronormative society we're trying to combat sort of thing, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:02.040 or like. 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.240 Oh, you should tune in because you guys are going 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:11.120 right box? Well that was that was also like I 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:12.920 used to talk about that all the time, like this 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:13.559 is fun. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:18.679 I'm confused, right Box News and you know, but then 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:19.959 you have an American hertor story and. 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:21.760 It's very different. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.640 It's it's very different, but was owned by the same person. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.480 So is he made money you guys made money for 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:30.600 you know. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.440 There was a time when we all we were in 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.240 New York during press and we all had to go 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:39.000 to Fox News for an interview. You remember this. I 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.520 remember this and Corey and I. Corey was very vocal 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.199 about it, but Corey and I were not. Nobody was 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.000 happy about it, but I was worried Corey was going 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:53.760 to say some stuff. Yeah, and we were I remember that. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.480 I think I was sitting next to him or near him, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.839 because we were both sort of like, if you go down, 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.600 I'm going to go down with you sort of thing. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.600 Because that was weird, you know, in the back of 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:06.000 the your mind, you're like, well, uncle, you know, evil 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:10.800 Rupert is paying the bills. Actually, even though Fox Network 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:15.120 was very, very, very different from Fox News. 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:20.520 But how do you right? 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:20.440 Right? 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:21.679 Right? 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.520 So tell me about I love that. I think it's 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:27.800 so interesting talking. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.080 About the like because you're on the other side of it, 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.720 like you're it's kind of like you're in the driver's 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:37.080 seat a little bit, but then it's it's turned because 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.480 you're also answering to people. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.120 It's so it's so fascinating to me. 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.880 But getting mestically, I'm interested to hear about your from 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:50.520 your side of it, seeing the show blow up, seeing 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.760 the show explode the way it did. 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.599 I mean, you guys were the Beatles. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.880 You were the Beatles, you know, and what happened, what 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:06.840 eventually happened too, is you were in that moment in time. No, 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.600 you know remember those cars. Yeah, there was I remember 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.080 the first sort of public event I went to. I 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.240 don't again, I don't think you Premier jet was that 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:18.600 Santa Monica High School. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:19.920 That's right, we hadn't. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.120 You hadn't, but there were fans there. Yeah. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.240 Now, okay, maybe I think the pilot had aired because 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.760 our pilot aired into that right, right, and then the 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.240 rest of the series Sember right. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.160 So I remember going to Santa Monica High School for it, 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.960 and you know, hearing this story is Leah had glass 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:46.079 in her hair during the audition that yeah, I'm trying 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:47.520 to remember all the other. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:54.199 Corey drove down from Vancouver audition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.920 So I remember it blowing up before it even started 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.840 to blow up, because you had only, like you said, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.840 you only the pilot. And I will say this, and 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.920 I don't you know, I don't think I've ever even talked. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.000 About this with any of you. My career blew up. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:15.120 Because of Glee, because my on camera life started because 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:15.520 of Glee. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.080 Because what happened was. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.520 Corey and Leo were dating and they had never now 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:27.720 never I worked at the ant work a variety, so 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.840 you talked about personal life, they're dating, they never confirmed it. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.280 For some reason, and I don't know why. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.960 A producer at he said Mark could you go be 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.720 the correspondent at the Chrysalis Ball. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:45.440 It's this fundraising ball. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:50.880 Corey and Leo were going, and I said, I'm going 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.280 to get them to confirm their data. 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.600 Watch get there. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:15:00.400 First of all, our crew guy forgot on my her phone, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.520 so having one of those big fuzzy things if I 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.080 have my crotch, and right there, I was like, are 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.200 you serious? This is my first thing and it's that big? 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.200 What is it? A wolfer or whatever? You know what 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:16.320 I mean, yes, something. So I'm like and Leah comes 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.400 on the carpet, and as we know, Leah was a 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:19.720 little more media trained and a. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.000 Little more savvy than Corey was. And I said to Lydia, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.600 I said, who's your date for tonight? And she basically 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.360 winked at me. She knew what I was trying to do. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.880 She's like, I'm here with my girlfriend. I'm like, oh, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:31.800 she walks up. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:37.720 Corey comes, sweet, sweet, innocent Canadian Cory. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:43.760 Corey, Innocent Corey, and I was like, so, Corey, is 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:44.960 this a date night for you? 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:49.280 And Leah? He goes, yeah it is, And I was like, 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:49.880 we did it. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:57.040 Wow, wow, wow. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.120 That was my first red carpet as a correspond You know, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.200 I've done TV before, but as a Red Carb correspondent, 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.640 and you never, you never, you. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:09.720 Never looked back. 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:10.720 It was a question. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.320 Yeah, it was just it was it was a good question. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:15.560 It was a very good question. 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.280 It was a very question. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:22.280 And that's that's how my on camera corresponding work started. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:27.600 Because of Leah and Quarry. I had no idea, Wow, yeah, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.720 my first carpet, dude, I mean, I should google it. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.960 It was you know, it's like that news. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:40.800 Then it was, oh my gosh, that's it. There was, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.960 oh my gosh, that's amazing. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.600 Because like from the moment you watched the pilot and 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.440 you felt so passionate about it and being able to 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.199 see the show grow and then also resonate with people 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.760 because I imagine this happens sometimes too. You see something 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.040 you really like it, and then for whatever reasons, it 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.000 doesn't keep going. There's not the amount of success you 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:18.119 hope it would have. This one had that success and 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:22.520 we're all here because of it. And what was that 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.480 feeling like for you? I mean, because you saw us 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.720 as just wide eyed newbies on the Red Carpet from 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.960 an on set from the very very beginning to seeing 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.040 the Red Carpets grow to seeing the fan response grow 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.800 in real life and then also having the show that 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.560 personally meant something to you. Yeah, he received the way 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.320 it was. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.920 It was, you know, you know, Glee one of those 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.280 examples that I use when I'm mentoring people saying, you know, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.199 if you're passionate about something, get on board early, you know, 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.879 And I usually as an example, I said, you know 0:17:59.000 --> 0:17:59.840 and listen. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.000 I never went around. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.600 To people saying I'm friends with the gleek cass, I'm 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.080 friends with Ted and I'm friends with We were friendly. 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.399 It's a business transaction. You need something, I need something. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:15.840 But as a journalist, I was an early supporter of it. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:17.480 To see it. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.320 Because let me tell you, there are other I'm trying 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.040 to think of the other product or I like got 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.320 really crazy about it, people like Margo Nutts, and it 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.840 never went anywhere, and there were. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:26.719 Probably plenty of that. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.680 So to see it grow and to see it resonate, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.919 you know, and really, you know, we didn't call ourselves 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.960 queer at that time, but with other you know, gay 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:46.240 people like as a gay man of a certain age, 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.680 the Lee was not something that I could literally ever 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:55.119 have imagined, could not have imagined what's amazing is Since then, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:56.480 I've said that about. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.879 Many things, and it's usually Ryan Murphy, right, and it's. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:03.840 Like, oh, insight, right, right, what right? 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:06.920 You know? Game changer? 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:11.919 And I don't know if you realize in the moment 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:16.560 it's a game changer. You know it's different, you know 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:22.520 it's resonating. But you know, could oppose come if. 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:28.720 A glee hadn't right, right, you know, you know. So 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:35.919 I remember being in it with you guys, totally. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.760 God, there's so many, Oh god, so literally I was 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:41.800 writing down all these times. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:42.760 I literally have no here. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.760 I mean, I feeld share because you were like when 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.280 you say you wouldn't say you're friends with us, but 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.359 you were friendly. But you were the like talking to 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:59.000 journalists was a very new thing, and making sure we 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.000 didn't say the wrong thing things was hard to figure out, 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.919 but like you were always if you were on the 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:10.240 red carpet, we always went to you because were the beginning. Yeah, 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:11.880 you were saying friendly. 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.840 I remember, oh. 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:17.560 The first the first time I think I saw you 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.199 guys like out of work, the two of you you 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.359 came up to me. It was like an H and 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.800 M party. It was some clothing brand. This is what 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:29.760 I remember in my I could see it in my head. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.240 I feel like Jenna was maybe wearing a hat, or 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.640 maybe Kevin were wearing a hat. I can't remember someone 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:37.400 was wearing a hat. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.480 And I literally remember like my shoulder and I'm like, 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:44.800 I'm like hi, And. 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.520 I didn't recognize you guys because it was out of 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.520 in a wheelchair. Like I'm trying to remember when I 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.640 found out that you were actually weren't in a wheel chair. 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:01.119 Said visits, and I remember, I think it was it 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:05.679 was a it was some kind of like clothing, the 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:06.280 kind of party. 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.919 It was some crazy event and then. 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.840 You know, seeing you guys, just you know. The other 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.200 thing that I remember very clearly is it was for 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:21.680 the concert film. The concert film, the premiere. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:26.159 It was in Banana. Banana was crazy. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.720 But I remember of blue and gold. 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:35.040 Yeah, right, that is huge. We didn't almost don't even 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:36.960 make it in for the movie. I remember it being 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.400 so massive and like you're like, is this the Golden globes? 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:47.600 Globes? 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.760 And I completely for how I forgot about this because 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.199 I've told this story, but it came back to me 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:55.600 always doing some research. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.920 Was I had Matthew Morrison's first interview. 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:03.800 After the finale, the final final, like an hour after. 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:13.080 Harvey Weinstein. So here's the story. Harvey Weinstein. 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:24.360 Was producing Uh Neverland find So Harvey Weinstein really wanted 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:29.919 Finding Neverland to be mentioned during Live from E on 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.639 the red carpet of the Oscars. He was he wanted 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:39.560 Juliana Ransay to mention Finding Neverland. He'd gone to one 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.679 of our producers that e she didn't come through. But 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.680 then Harvey's people are calling me, going what. 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:45.280 Could you do? 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:48.600 And I'm like, I called the producer Ida. I'm like, 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.560 it's Harvey Weinstein. If he calls you gotta you know 0:22:51.640 --> 0:23:01.119 this is got you gotta come true. So we were like, Harbie, 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:05.240 if you want something Juliana Ranson, can't just mention it 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:08.680 at him nowhere, like give us some context. So the 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:14.080 night before the Oscars, the Weinstein Company as there has 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:22.800 a party. Matthew was going straight from the finale shoot 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.720 to the party to sing. 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:26.600 From Finding Neverland. 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.919 So I was like, Okay, if that's the case, what 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:35.360 I want is an interview with Matthew Morrison. 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:42.439 Harvey arrange a whole set for me. Up it because it. 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:47.240 Was at the montage whatever it's called now w Hill, 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:48.840 We're in a severed room. 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:51.640 They set up the two camera shoot. 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.239 Audio blah blah blah, because I was like, we not 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.600 only have to shoot it, we needed edited now because 0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:58.560 the oscars. 0:23:58.119 --> 0:23:58.800 Are the next day. 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:05.000 Yeah, so Harvey made Matthew leave like he couldn't hang 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.359 around with you guys after your shot the finale because 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.000 it was like, you've got to be my party to 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.360 perform and do this interview with the news. 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:17.400 That's why Met wasn't there. Yeah, that's crazy. 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.320 Because we after the when we finish shooting, we all 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.720 I had a moment together, like in the auditorium we're 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:28.360 doing on the stage that he was there. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:37.240 To go sing for freaking up Harvey, and. 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:35.080 I felt bad. 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:46.199 I was like you, but it must have made it 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:49.440 more enjoyable to do to cover our show so much 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:50.040 because you. 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.520 Were a fan, right, Like, did it make your job 0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:55.560 a little bit better? Not that your job was bad. 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:02.000 I'm trying, you know, listen, when Corey passed, that's where 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:06.760 I got a little sticky, because you know, we're covering 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.640 something that was not happiness, So I have to put 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.400 my journalist tap on. And I always when I come 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:18.040 at it. Yes I'm a fan, but you guys know me. 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.600 I want to break news, but I don't want to 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.640 hear you you love Glee. I want news. I want 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:26.480 to headline. 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.399 So I'm trying to remember it. There was ever a 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:31.960 time where like I did. 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.560 End up butting heads. 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:40.080 With probably more like publicists than obviously you you know. 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.879 But the Corey situation was, you know, that was a 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:43.640 tough one. 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.280 You know, and I will you know, I remember the day. 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:50.240 I remember getting in bed and my husband, my then 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:54.200 husband at the time, uh, turning to me and said 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.600 Corey and he couldn't pronounced the last name. He's Corey, 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.320 the guy from Glee. 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.359 I was like, what like? 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:07.159 And you know, Corey, as you know, was so special. 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:11.720 And you know, I remember the first time I entered 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.159 your chore and he was using the language of recovery 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.639 and I was, I was in my recovery. I was, 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.800 I was struggling with my recovery. M I remember the 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.480 true and we never talked about his sobriety. 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:28.960 There's a language. 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.960 Yeah, you hear someone talking and he talked to it. 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.280 And I remember just bonding with. 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:37.760 Him, you know, in that way. But no, it was 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:42.679 that was a tough cover story to cover, but you 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:42.960 know we. 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:44.080 Had to know and. 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:54.840 To do that makes sense, Yeah, but it is you know, 0:26:55.000 --> 0:27:02.560 it's fun for sure seeing a show blow up that you, yeah, 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:05.560 that you. 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:06.919 First got excited about. 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:11.120 I mean, that's just you know, it's uh, just sort 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:15.680 of a comparison in a way was Jessica Chastain. I 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:17.639 didn't know who she was that she had to do 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.760 with Glee, but in the same vein I remember being 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:22.919 introduced to her. She was getting like the new Artist, 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.760 the New Newcomer Award at Elle Women in Hollywood. 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:27.760 She just shot The Help. 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:33.440 And a Tree of Life with pet No one knew 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.879 who she was at that point, and we bonded right away. 0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:39.160 So I'm going to support, you know, and it's I've 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.159 got this great relationship with her. I never asked her 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.159 she wanted to be on Glee, but we've had this 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:48.160 great I did get her to do her singing debut, 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:53.399 though it was it was the Critics Choice Awards, and 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.320 it was my birthday and she's saying happy birthdays. Recently, 0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:58.680 we have this ongoing thing where like every time we talked, 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:06.480 one of our sentences. 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:06.919 But you know, you I think it's a testament to 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:10.640 the type of person you are that it's not just us, 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:14.119 Sir Gisca Chastain. There's Brendan Frasier. There's lots of people 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:20.360 who you have, that's right, really great relationships with because fun, Yes, 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:24.119 you're fun, You're nice. Obviously you are a journalist. You're 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:25.600 trying to get the headlines, you're trying to get the story, 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.399 but you always do it, I think from a place 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.320 of compassion, where you know, when you're talking to people 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:34.240 on a red carpet, those who are like glazed over 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:42.040 and those who really care. You've always cared and you've 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:45.280 always I think that's also why, like look at where 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.040 you are now, Like you have this gigantic job and 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.840 you're everywhere with all the people all the time, because 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:54.520 you know, when good things happen to good people, it's 0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:55.960 nice to see that. 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:59.600 But you know, it was you know in terms of 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:01.920 like are like you know, sort of like where I 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.160 got not sticky, but it was like I remember with 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.360 Chris called for you know, coming out of a closet, 0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.560 you know, and that was that was the thing. And 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:14.280 I remember, you know, we were discussing, I'm like, does 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:15.400 he even know he is gay. 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.400 He's so young and Kevin, I'm trying to remember. I 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:22.000 think when I found out you were gay. I think 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.520 it was one of those like really may have been. 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:27.120 It's hard to be that now. 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.600 It's one of those things, you know, like I also 0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:35.360 might have It was something that like I don't even 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.880 think I was consciously doing of when I was around 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:44.160 other gay guys, you like overcompensate, so you know, like 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:46.560 and so I'm wondering if I did that with you. 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:48.560 As much as I was always so excited to see you, 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.080 I wonder if I was also like over compensating and 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:56.040 some like hey, like I don't know. Maybe no, never, 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.480 never that how was that with Chris? Because when we 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:03.080 had Chris here there, you know, there was this there 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.600 was a like you say, sticky, a really sticky time 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:11.000 when we didn't when we first met him, we didn't 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:15.640 know whether he knew either about herself but what he 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:20.960 was feeling. And and when that did come out where 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.640 he sort of orchestrated the thing with Chelsea Handler, he 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:27.520 could sort of take the reins of the story himself. Yeah, what, Yeah, 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.200 did you notice like a marked difference bet with you 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:32.240 or like being able to interview him, or. 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:43.080 I will say it about every closeted celebrity. This is 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:46.320 how they are when they're closet, when they. 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:47.000 Come out there like that. 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:49.440 Mm hmmm mm hmm. 0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:51.000 Everyone. 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.600 My big example of that it is Christmas Stewart m hm. 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.600 And you know I had a very similar relationship with her, 0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.160 like Lee because of Twilight, so like Highlight was another 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:05.240 one of mine. But you know, she they don't look 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:08.560 you in the eye. They they like I'm talking about 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:13.520 like some foreigners or something. But like it's the you know, 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:20.520 and me being me, I'm a two dollars million you know. Uh, 0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:26.960 so I was always out and I know for closeted celebrities, 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:29.680 and people have told me that they'd be scared to 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:34.080 talk to me one because if I found out two 0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:38.280 let something slip, because. 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.400 I'll call people girl. I'll call a straight guys girl. 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.920 You know right, I'm a girler. 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:50.080 But so yeah, so Chris, you know it's part where 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.760 but also Chris, and the same thing with Chris so young. 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.840 So I you know when Glee started, you know who 0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:01.360 he was. He was eighteen, you know right now, you 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:02.480 know when I was eighteen. 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.680 I mean I came out when I was eighteen, but 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:07.640 I was in college. 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:12.920 I wasn't on this humongous right right the show trying 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:13.440 to figure that out. 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:17.479 And I remember having conversations probably you know, whether it 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:21.320 was within his personal rep or reps at Fox, and 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:23.560 I remember being like, I don't think he like, we 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:24.400 haven't talked. 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.040 To him about it. You don't. 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.960 You don't say to someone who if they're not sure 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.840 about the sexuality, like are you sure of your sexuality yet? Like, right, 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:37.479 there was no one you know, he wasn't. Yeah, so, 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.920 but there's definitely the guard is down as soon as. 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:43.600 You're out, the guard down. 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:45.120 That makes sense. 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:46.880 Uh. 0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:50.120 You moderated the pallet Fest with us. 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:54.320 Yeah, Paley Fest. That was a big because I was 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:55.640 I was thirty six people. 0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.400 Yeah, how do you prepare for a pallet Fest with 0:32:58.480 --> 0:32:59.680 thirty six people on a panel? 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:01.440 Like what do you choose to ask? Who do you 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.080 choose to? You know, how do you do that? 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:04.800 Listen? 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:08.920 Pale for the fans. So it's not you know, we're 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.840 not doing deep dives. And especially so when when it's 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.600 a lot of people on the panel, you have a question, 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.480 you have to direct it to a person if you 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.840 just open up, like Hey, who wants to answer this? 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.040 Half hour gone anywhere? A half hour is gone? 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:27.320 Yeah, And also everyone I'm top of each other, so 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.560 you got to be like Corey, tell me about this. 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:31.640 And obviously I never got to Jenna tell me about this, 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:34.760 so I'm obviously still hurting about that. 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:38.360 I remember it. 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:40.440 Was now's your time. Now you can ask her anything. 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:44.760 You ask me anything. That's crazy. 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:49.120 So yeah, and it's you know that Pales has been 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:52.600 circulating recently. Kind of forgot about it and you're like, oh, 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:53.320 I saw you. 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:54.240 You interviewed the. 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:59.240 Interesting huh, that's so funny. Interesting? 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.920 How is this you started sort of a relationship too 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.520 with Like maybe it's because you're a fan of like 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.400 Ryan Murphy shows, but I feel like Ryan was always 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.239 really apt to give you sort of like the like 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.640 to be a part of this, like come join us. 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.400 And you know, I think that again, I think that 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:21.279 was just like hey, I'm you know, supporting this from 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.960 day one, you know, is it a loyalty thing? But 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:29.200 like I said, I don't pretend I'm friendly with Ryan Murphy. Yeah, 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.279 I don't call him, I don't have his email nothing. 0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:37.000 You know, and listen, if you're if you're a producer. 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.959 If you're a content creator, you're going to gravitate towards 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:43.479 people who are excited about, you know, what you're doing. 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:45.759 Yeah, so that's for me that man. 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.360 You know, I got exclusive that man, I got time 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:53.040 to talk to Ryan and other people didn't, uh talk 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:54.680 to the cat and other people did and so on 0:34:54.719 --> 0:35:01.120 and so forth. So you know, it's uh my god, Wow, 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:05.640 it's it was yesterday, but it certainly was. 0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.839 It certainly wasn't sure it wasn't it. 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:12.920 Was definitely, But we feel you, We feel you. 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.040 Like Matthew Morrison's Halloween. 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:20.040 Parties, Oh my god, was there a carpet for those? 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.920 You just go No, Matthew would always give me the 0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:29.200 exclusive hilarious that it was like the one I like. 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:33.600 There are videos out there of me dressed as a 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.719 green witch interviewing Matthew Morrison, mean. 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:38.239 Dressed the first year. 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.480 I don't think we did an interview for the first 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:42.319 year I ran. It was my first Halloween with my 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:44.680 then future. 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:46.200 Husband. 0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:52.160 We ran as clowns. We ran as clowns, and my 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.680 name and the best was I And I'm like, I'm 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.040 a Halloween person. I love the dress up of it all. 0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.200 So we ran as clowns. I had a Mini Cooper 0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.360 at the time which drive down some of our address 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:03.000 as a clown and. 0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:05.040 Perfect was amazing. 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:06.240 Wow. 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:08.200 And I remember. 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.960 Being a clown and the best you know, and I 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.000 like a Halloween customer, like you don't know who it is, 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:18.920 like you know if you can tell. 0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:23.920 It's Mark, and that Mark Matthew Morrison Halloween parties. 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:28.400 My gosh, were you there? Were you there on the 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.480 last day of set? Did we have did we have 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.279 press there like for that? For the literal circus that 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:42.279 they threw up? No, No, there was okay, they let 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:43.360 me threw the circus. 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:45.479 Anyone was going to be there, it would have been marked. 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:50.520 Yeah, no, because I think I was setting on my 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:51.200 shoes with. 0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:54.280 Matthew Morrison exactly exactly. 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.160 Do you have any other like favorite, because you said 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:11.879 you were sort of like doing your research and looking back. 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.520 What else comes to mind when you think about that crazy, 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:17.880 crazy era, if you will. 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:23.399 I remember the first episode watching Dot Marie Jones mm hmm. 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:27.520 And I remember going to again Ility. I mean I 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:28.920 was for the whole time of. 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.359 The show, and I remember saying, we need to get 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:32.840 her in the office. I need to do an interview 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.480 with her. M I need to do an interview with. 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:40.360 Don I was assessed, that's what doct Mary Jones and 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:41.920 I did one of her first interviews. I was like, 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.759 come in the opposite a change. 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:44.719 All. 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:53.399 Great and just someone different and. 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:59.880 Yeah, yeah, what a joy to work with Ray Sunshine. 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.360 Just just see Jane Lynch. Was always so awesome to 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.960 see someone like Jane Lynch. She was older and getting 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:08.240 these flowers. 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.960 It was amazing cool. 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.120 Oh my god, Darren Chris. To this day, I still 0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:20.799 see him and I light up. Just where did I 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.279 just I just shot some video of Chris called for 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.320 actually and I got the po He was at the 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:27.799 Fatal Attraction premiere the other night. 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.600 I got to remember, that's right, I saw that they 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:29.960 were there. 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.239 I saw that video, or if I see Kevin and 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:36.080 the crowd and whatever from here we were at. 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:41.280 Recently, we were at Shrinking, Shrinking. 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.360 Shrinking, and I saw him talking to Harrison Ford and 0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.880 I was behind him like a proud parent taking pictures 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:47.919 of him entering Harrison Ford, and I was like, oh 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:52.880 my god, look at you. I skipped the carpet, but 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.080 I was like, let me just take pictures of him 0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:56.120 on the carpet. 0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.000 Sacks on the carpet. 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:02.960 Now we literally only get snacks from people from celebrities. 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:09.280 My four bags, my four bags of gummy bears from random. 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.560 Lace crazier right there in the living room, Brandon. 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:13.799 But you're gonna eat them, right, I'm like, uh no, 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:22.239 these are collectibles now. Brain like time in Hollywood, you know, 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:23.760 I remember. 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:27.759 Like it was such like it was such moments of oh. 0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:29.239 My god, grendath manchall is going to do the show, 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.520 Y Martin's going to do the show, and those were 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:38.440 like we couldn't like the people that Ryan was getting. 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:42.840 Yeah, or catalogues of music that we were being offered. 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.920 You're like, who almost are you joking? 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:47.000 Right? 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.320 And it was like, you know what, people don't really 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.399 you know, the stories have eventually been done about. 0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:55.120 It's like you can't just do a song, right, you 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:56.560 got to buy those songs. 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.120 You've gotta you know, you've got to negotiate for those 0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:04.799 songs and just you know, but the fact that don't 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:09.919 stop believing still, I mean, it's one of the first 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:13.480 times to get in and that's that's the something that 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:17.640 I'll always associated with the show. 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:23.440 Yeah, what is the feeling Glee leaves you with like 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:24.480 to this day. 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:31.080 There was such a moment in time I remember being excited. 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.120 I it brings back. 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:38.760 It's definitely this moment of joy. But as someone in recovery, 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:41.160 I can't help but think of. 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:44.320 Cory mm hmmm, you know, and that. 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:49.920 You know, we know the show has you know, had 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:53.920 some you know, tragedy. 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:54.760 But when. 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.680 I think of Corey, because I think of our interaction, 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:04.560 you know, and you know, I'm not in no way 0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.200 trying to equate my interaction with him the kind of 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:13.880 interactions you had with him, but I think of what 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:18.560 life ahead was that could have been mm hmm. And 0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:25.600 because of the addiction, yeah, you know, and of what 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:29.719 his death did in terms of educating people, right, you know, 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.800 and showing you know, this is someone who everyone knew. 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:36.680 And I say, now, you know, we're on a podcast 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.000 and so I'm doing air quotes. 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.560 So I can't help but think of that. 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:48.359 But I also can't help but think of like all 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.480 the time I would try to get out of you, like, no, 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.920 what's next, what's kind of in the next season, what's 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:55.160 happening on the next episode. 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:57.239 Is there going to be a Glee Broadway show? Is 0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:59.040 they going to be a Glee What are you going 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.040 to adapt Glee for? That's what you know. It was just. 0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:10.319 It was never ending in right, yeah, you know, I 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.279 know we keep saying this, and I'm sure not the 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.040 only one who said this to you a Brazilian time. 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.879 It was just something, you know, it was for us 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:23.000 theater kids, you know, you know, and I was not 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:24.840 a theater kid when I was watching Lee. I was 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:30.480 a little older. But knowing that there were you know, 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.120 and we're using again it feels weird to say they 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.040 were queer kids watching the Lee because the time we 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:38.600 didn't even use the word queer, you know, but there 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:44.960 were you know, LGBT kids watching Glee who were the 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:50.120 same age, well the same age as your characters, who 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.960 were feeling who felt seen but me, you know, and 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:57.080 I was again at a certain age, I was feeling 0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.640 seen where I hadn't felt seen before. To be able 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:08.759 to bring to cover that and then bring that more. 0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:13.160 Even to these kids was just amazing. Was an amazing thing. 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:15.759 But like we said at the beginning of this, you know, 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.680 the whole gay thing is an interesting thing because it 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:24.120 was treated as it was so special. But does that 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:30.239 play into the taboo of it and not the so 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:35.120 called normality of it, right, And I know you know 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.200 the answer to that is like, can't wait for a 0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.719 day when we don't have to ask like, what was 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.160 it like doing the gay kids? It was just like, 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:46.719 what was it like kissing you know insert actors? Yeah, 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:54.360 but I also know how important representation and visibility is 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.960 for a kid out there, So you know, and I 0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.840 think I probably said that to you guys all the time, 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:05.560 like you're saving lives. You're saving lives with the show 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:08.680 because of you know, not just day. You know, someone 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:14.359 in a wheelchair, Asian black like Tino. You know, yeah, 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.120 people are being seen that had never been seen before 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:23.440 in such a mange. I mean, you were mainstream. 0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:24.799 The lack of a. 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.560 Better term, Yeah, eight pm on Fox. 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:34.520 Straight on Fox, and you know the yeah, I mean 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:37.080 now I'm going to put my journalists cap on for 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:42.120 you guys. And it's even and you even remember. 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.719 The moment where you knew was turning. 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:54.320 Where it's like, oh shit, this is huge. 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.759 They're sort of and we said, I think, like Jen 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.319 and I have talked about this, but there were sort 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.200 of two moments, but I don't think this first one 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.280 when we went to Australia and the pilot had aired 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.240 here and in Australia, but when we went to Australia, 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:14.120 there were we went to two malls and there were 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:18.960 over a one thousand people at each spot and we're like, 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:22.920 that's crazy and weird and makes no sense. 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:25.839 It was like it was like chaos and we were 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.440 moved and it was a lot, and I think it 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.520 was the first time we were like, oh, our lives are 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:32.920 not going to be the same. 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.040 We didn't necessarily know. They're like, this is crazy, isn't it. 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.240 This is amazing. And then we went back to shooting. 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:40.239 We came back to the US and the show's doing 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.440 well and you're hearing about it your friends and your family. 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.359 And I don't know if it was until like we 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:49.479 went on tour, we had to leave La Yea. Once 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.840 we left la even if it was to go back 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.759 to our families over the holidays or things like that, 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.960 when we were amongst other people that were not so 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:01.279 jaded as you know, Hollywood people. 0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:03.080 Were used to seeing stars all the time. 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:07.359 Right now, you could feel it. Yeah, no matter where 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:10.839 we went the and there's a difference between people are 0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:13.920 starstruck and when people feel they have some sort of 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:17.880 for lack of a better word, ownership or connection or 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.760 friendship with you because they've seen you. And we weren't 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:24.480 playing these unattainable characters. We were playing relatable characters. Yea, 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:27.560 and it's and Chris got the I think the other 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:32.319 bront of it. But people were very emotionally and physically 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:38.440 attached to us, and we could we experienced that firsthand, 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:41.279 I think, And yeah, I would say towards the end 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.399 of first season, when we could go out on tour 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:48.560 and meet people and see reactions that way, would. 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:52.319 You now turning the table the two of you, like 0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:54.680 the two of you, would you like, let's say, whatever, 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.520 wherever you're going on tour, right your backstage you're waiting 0:46:57.640 --> 0:46:59.160 to go on, you're hearing about that. 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:06.759 Would you look at each other and be like what, no? What? 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:10.600 Would this makes sense? No? No? 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:12.160 I it's a little bit of both. 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.920 Like before we went on stage, we'd all joke with 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.120 each other and we'd be in each other's ears because 0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:17.720 we could all. 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:18.239 Hear each other. 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.200 And I think it was like almost a coping mechanism 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:25.160 to like to to bond with the people and to 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:27.960 feel like you're going through this with somebody without saying 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:31.120 it like we would. We would just act like normal kids, right, 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.520 we're acting like stupid goofy goofballs and be saying like, 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.840 you know, perverted girl and boy parts, you know, something 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:41.640 stupid like that. It was almost a coping mechanism to 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:45.560 be like, we're still normal, We're still this is still me, 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:48.880 right when people are screaming at you and they're screaming 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.200 Jenna and they're screaming Tina, and you have this like, 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:54.640 you know, mixed personality like and then you go out 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.520 after the tour and there would be gates and you'd 0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.520 run and all the fans would be waiting and they'd 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.160 be like at the gates and you're like, we have 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:03.319 to go say hi. You can't just ignore that, right, 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.160 And then security guards would be like you cannot say hi. 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:08.920 We'd go say hi anyway. And there was one time 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:11.360 where a bunch of kids were like teen and Tina, 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:13.640 please SIGND my program and you'd have to try and 0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:15.319 sign it through the gate because you have to get 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:17.000 your arms through, and of course you just want to 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.360 make these kids so happy, and you know, they'd scream 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:25.160 and one fan was like, her name is Jenna. She 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.319 yelled another one, and I was like, don't fight. 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:30.279 Let's not fight. 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:31.799 But that's like. 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.759 The attachment and like the things like we know you 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:36.880 and we we're going to protect you and we're going 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.080 to take care of you. Like that's the feeling that 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:43.399 I was like, Oh wow, they like really care And 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.919 that to me was like these moments of like trying 0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:48.640 to go through a hotel and like get through with 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.960 security and you're like, I'm still like person with you know, 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.600 free agency to move around, right, You're like trying to 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.120 find that freedom and that independence that you have. But 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.560 then on the other side of it, feeling like, oh 0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.920 my god, this is the craziest and coolest thing ever 0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:07.600 and like I don't know that. I mean hindsight, right, 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:10.440 You're like that doesn't last forever. Like I can walk 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.560 down the street now, great, cool, you know, but there's 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.839 something about it and you're like, wow, this is. 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.719 This is this is crazy? Is this real life? 0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:25.319 Kevin? Were you Yeah, I'm coming there turning the table 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:26.400 and I know I didn't. 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.560 Talk about this, but you know, one thing to tell 0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:34.319 your listeners, you know what Kevin was really amazing was 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:38.759 when Kevin came out publicly. You must have done You 0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:40.600 must have done it in a social media post that 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:44.719 I seen, right, I like as Twitter, Yeah right, and 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:47.879 I sent him and we hadn't spoken, you hadn't seen 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:48.399 each other in. 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.239 A while, and I was I had left me and. 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.040 I was trying to like launch this thing. It's so 0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:56.640 weird to think about a Facebook live show in my 0:49:56.680 --> 0:50:00.160 living room on my couch and I remember sending you 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.120 a message, probably on Twitter or yeah, because I don't 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.879 know no Instagram is run send me your messing. Hey, 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.560 I saw it to did Where did you come on 0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:10.440 this show that is not even a show now? 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:13.040 Talk about it? 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:16.080 And Kevin drove to my house at the time in 0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:18.880 Sherman Thoko by himself, came up by driveway, got on 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:19.920 my orange couch. 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:23.040 Yeah, and you know, the story took off. 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:25.400 I mean it was like it was the first time Kevin, 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:27.279 I'm talking about you like you're not here. I'm just 0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:32.040 talking about job that Kevin talked to death about his journey. 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:32.640 Right. 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:37.799 So my question for you is, when all of that 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.640 was happening, were you scared that someone who's going to 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:44.920 scream out you're gay. I know you're getting that you're 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:49.759 going to be outed that that something, how much that 0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:51.799 sort of weigh on you. 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:55.720 There were a couple of times, yes, Naya was really 0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:04.160 she didn't understand why I wasn't being public because she 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.880 was like, someone's gonna say something. She's like, you're messy. 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:10.319 She's like, somebody's going to say something like why don't 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:11.920 you want to get ahead of it like that? And 0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:15.520 I'm like, she was much more media savvy than I was, 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:19.080 and I was like, who cares, No one cares about me, Like, 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:23.000 I'm not that messy. I was in a long term relationship, 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.200 even though he was in Brazil, like as we talked about, 0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:29.440 you know, for a billion years, and I wasn't really concerned. 0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:33.399 I wasn't thinking outside of myself really. Obviously, to an extent, 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.440 I was because I wasn't being open, right, but I 0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:40.480 wasn't necessarily calculating how this was going to turn out. 0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:42.919 And to an extent, I think I was right because 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.400 no one really did notice or care, because it's like 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:51.000 there's a difference between I wasn't Kurt or Blaine, you know, 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:53.040 I wasn't playing a character that was drawing that much 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:55.919 attention in that way, right, And so I could sort 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:59.000 of just coast, and I was enjoying not having that 0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:04.680 attention because I saw how hard that was for Chris. 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:09.640 And it was sort of like, I'm doing this the easy, 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:12.600 cowardly way, and I may be okay with that for now. 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:17.000 And and I think I'm also like it was sort 0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:19.960 of old school, where like, well you can't come out 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:22.759 and then still work, you know, Like that was just 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:24.839 that was so ingrained in me that I didn't even 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:27.239 think that was a problem. I was like, oh, you know, 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:31.120 that's just so. I There were absolutely times where I 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:35.640 was concerned that someone was going to say something, for sure. 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:39.799 But did you have did you have conversations with Ryan 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:40.239 about it? 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:45.480 I did. There was a time our first I think 0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:47.239 it was our first refference in New York, and we 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.359 all went out and it was like a success, and 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:53.480 we all was it the end of the first season 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:55.879 towards or the middle of the first season, I think, 0:52:56.160 --> 0:53:00.800 and we got we were a little under the influence, 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:03.480 and I just sort of came clean to everyone, all 0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:05.960 the higher ups because Jenna knew, Amber new, Chris knew, 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:10.120 you know, like my people knew, and Ryan and the 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.920 Dantes and Brad and all them were like the Scary Bosses. 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:18.319 I was like, well, here you got another homo in 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:22.880 the cast. There's a lot of us, and they're like, 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:25.440 oh okay, and obviously did not bat an eye. I 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:31.359 don't think they were shocked one percent, but they never 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:34.640 really Dante, who was one of the executi producers, he 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:40.279 was definitely more than Naya train of like just say it, 0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:42.440 just do it, like why are you living the secret 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:45.520 double life? And I didn't think about it in that way. 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:48.120 But he was also the one to start opening up 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:49.520 the floor to being like, well, you know, it's like 0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:51.239 a tales oldest time in the gay world, like you're 0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:54.600 fetishizing the secrecy and all that, and I was like 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:58.560 what And so I did not understand any of that 0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:04.160 at the time, but yeah, there was people, you know, 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:07.399 Ni and Amber and Chris and Jenna were all sort 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.760 of looking out for me. So you know, I don't 0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:13.480 looking back like I think what I said to you 0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:16.280 as well, Mark is like sure, I definitely absolutely should 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:17.040 have wish I did. 0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:21.600 Yeah, by the way, not at all. 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:25.200 But also to that time when you when you reached 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:29.760 out to me about that, I remember texting my publicist 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:33.520 being like I'm doing this like I wasn't should I 0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.360 do this? Like it's Mark? And I never thought again 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:38.600 with not planning things because I didn't plan like the 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:44.360 tweet of making it some sort of setting up some 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:47.160 interview or yeah, And I was like, no, if there's 0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:49.880 anybody I would ever like talk to about this, it 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:50.560 would be Mark. 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:54.120 And to this day, every time that a story that 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:57.120 has something told Kevin Mcow comes up. 0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:57.719 It's always like. 0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:01.759 Live yea. 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.520 If I'm remembering correctly, were there paparazzi shots of the 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:08.600 two of you and then. 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:09.760 People were thinking you were dating? 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:11.239 Yes at the beach. 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:12.080 You were at the beach. 0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:16.359 Yes, we're in control of that. Yeah, we did that 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.640 on purpose. We just didn't think it would get to 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.200 the US. We were in Monaco at the time, so 0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:22.640 we thought whatever. 0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:25.600 How I remember beach paparazzih. 0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:27.200 That's good because it's the most famous we've ever been. 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:31.719 Yeah, peaked. It was everywhere, it was, truly. It was 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:32.840 very strange. 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:36.400 News all the time, and we were like great. 0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:41.400 And I'm trying to remember if when I saw those shots, 0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:46.400 whether I was like girl or I just thought or 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:51.480 I didn't know, right, I may honestly, like I said, 0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.440 I may not know, but I remember those beach shots. 0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:59.680 Right, good memory. That is a good memory. 0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.880 You got to go back to Monaco gladly anytime. 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:10.600 Call it, call me Jenna cheating on husband Kevin Mgale, 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:14.040 be like yeah. 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:20.200 For sure with each other. So it's fine, works out, 0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:21.040 It makes sense. 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:25.280 Mark, It's been amazing to have your Thanks for taking 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:27.920 the time, and we really really appreciate it and. 0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:30.239 Happy to have you back because we could just keep going. 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:32.160 Part two, I do. 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:34.800 I have to do some more Google searching and really 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:37.600 sort of go down that rabbit hole. 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:39.719 Let us know when you're ready. We'll have you back 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:41.920 at anytime. 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:46.120 No, seriously, thanks for for being so nice to us 0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:49.759 and that you were talking about being feeling seen, and 0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:52.759 you know, we've there's a lot of journalists we've met 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.160 and a lot of our carpets we've done, and we 0:56:55.320 --> 0:56:58.000 just you also made us feel seen like humans and 0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:02.040 not just robots giving you haveline, So we really appreciate that. 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:03.440 And the one thing I. 0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:05.440 Haven't mentioned that's still freaking me out. And I know 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.120 I'm going to sound like your old uncle. The baby 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:13.440 carriage behind you stroller. I still you. 0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:16.760 Were pregnant, that's right. I was very pregnant, and at 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:18.240 that event, I said. 0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:20.720 This is the last thing I'm going to That's right, 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.960 I said, I'm done after and she's never been seen again. 0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:27.280 And now she's in a basement. 0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:29.920 In the dark. 0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:38.120 Yeah, you know, I know in a way you my kid, Like, I. 0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:40.840 Know, I'm like, what's that prop flar. 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:44.360 Twenty three? 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:47.960 Always, Mark, thank you for being so kind to us 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.360 then and so kind to us now. You're always so 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.920 supportive of anything we have. Yeah, we're doing outside of 0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:56.360 Glee to this day, So thank. 0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:59.240 You on your you know success. 0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:03.000 Let me know, make sure to break the news there's 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:08.000 going to be a reboot or reunion or musical adaptation 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:10.040 to Exclusive. 0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:18.600 Thanks Mark, Bye bye, Kevin. 0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:22.080 You know, I feel really grateful that we have really 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:27.520 good people around us and good memories of this and 0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:33.959 in tandem with these people. Yeah, sorry to be so vague, 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:38.520 but he's no. Mark is really a good human and 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:43.000 we were very lucky to have him around during that time. 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:45.080 And it makes a lot of sense too, you know 0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:49.240 now hearing his sort of like personal connection to the show, 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:52.280 like when he first saw it and why he wanted 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:56.120 to cover it, And you know, I think in part 0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:58.600 if it wasn't for someone like him who was so 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:02.200 excited on that entertainment journalistic side of it. Who knows 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:04.760 that the show would have been you know what it 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:08.200 was because he cared and he covered it that way 0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:10.400 and it showed, and we were so thankful to get 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:14.560 to see him so often. Thank you Mark for coming 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:16.920 on the show. It really means a lot to us. 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:19.120 We're going to obviously have to have him back because 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:20.440 stories for days. 0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:22.760 That's right, and that's what you're really missed. 0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:26.200 See you next time. Thanks for listening and follow us 0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:28.919 on Instagram at and that's what you really miss pod. 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:31.080 Make sure to write us a review and leave us 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:32.600 five stars. See you next time.