Speaker 1: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's What You Really Missed podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Jenna and I'm Kevin.
Speaker 1: Still tell me about today.
Speaker 2: Well, when you and I first talked about this, we
Speaker 2: talked about the different doing the podcast, what kind of
Speaker 2: guests we could have on the show right, and we
Speaker 2: wanted to make sure we got the people from all
Speaker 2: the different sides of this that were involved in it.
Speaker 2: And one of the first things we thought of was
Speaker 2: Mark malkoln Mark Malkin, who is entertainment journalist extraordinary and
Speaker 2: at the time he was working for e He now
Speaker 2: works for a variety and has always been there for
Speaker 2: us on the carpet and off the carpet and is
Speaker 2: one of just the sweetest, sweetest people you could ever
Speaker 2: meet and has always been so encouraging and it's been
Speaker 2: incredible to watch his career also just skyrocket and take off.
Speaker 2: And he was one of those people on like the
Speaker 2: very very first Red Carpets we ever done, like he's
Speaker 2: he was our guy.
Speaker 3: He was a familiar face on the Red Carpets too
Speaker 3: when we would go and see him, and obviously.
Speaker 1: We talk about all this, so we're just gonna let
Speaker 1: you listen. But he really was.
Speaker 3: It was very comforting to see him there at these
Speaker 3: events that can feel so kind of you, kind of
Speaker 3: like go on autopilot a little bit, and it was
Speaker 3: nice to see like a friend and yeah, I'm really
Speaker 3: excited for this conversation.
Speaker 2: Enjoyed Mark Malkin, Mark Malcoln, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm getting emotional.
Speaker 2: It is so good to see and hear you.
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 4: You know, I like little hair on my arms standing
Speaker 4: up and preparing for this, like, you know, doing google searches.
Speaker 4: Mark Malkin, Glee, Youngline, and the stories that were coming
Speaker 4: up that I forgot about.
Speaker 5: I mean, I would, says Elton John if he wanted
Speaker 5: to be on Glee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, he said he wanted to, but no.
Speaker 5: One asked him to.
Speaker 2: Oh no, we dropped the ball on that one.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember where on earth was I sitting
Speaker 5: down with.
Speaker 2: It was a weird time, Mark, it was a weird
Speaker 2: time for all of us.
Speaker 4: Do you know how many stories were blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: would love to be on Glee, blah blah blah, love
Speaker 4: to if anyone could sing, I asked him anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: So when you thought about coming back to do this podcast,
Speaker 2: a really important thing for us was to be able
Speaker 2: to talk to people, yes, that worked on the show
Speaker 2: every single day, but also the people who we saw
Speaker 2: the most outside of that set, which the first person
Speaker 2: we talked about, Jenna and I was you. Because almost
Speaker 2: at every red carpet, especially the beginning, the person that
Speaker 2: would be there and would be so nice to us
Speaker 2: because none of us knew what the hell we were doing,
Speaker 2: and we would have thoughtful, insightful questions that weren't just
Speaker 2: the run of the mill, no offense to anybody else.
Speaker 2: But and you have always been like that about yeah,
Speaker 2: And I have to say, like, looking back as a
Speaker 2: very closeted gay guy back then, seeing you on the
Speaker 2: red carpet like would make me so excited because I
Speaker 2: felt like, like I'm safe with him. I can like
Speaker 2: I just want to hang out with him, to talk
Speaker 2: to him. And so I'm not making this up. When
Speaker 2: you were one of the very first names that we
Speaker 2: talked about, like who we have to interview to have
Speaker 2: on the show. So thank you for being here.
Speaker 5: So this is you can come down here and get emotional,
Speaker 5: like what is with your bob?
Speaker 2: Definitely, No, this is definitely a bit of therapy. There's laughter,
Speaker 2: there's crying, there's everything, all of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, what do you want to know?
Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know it all.
Speaker 3: But I want to know when you first Do you
Speaker 3: remember when you first saw the pilot of the show.
Speaker 5: Yes, I still.
Speaker 4: Have the DVD on the pilot, which I think I
Speaker 4: sent it Kevin because I think I found it on
Speaker 4: my I posted it once on my Instagram.
Speaker 5: I literally still have that DVD.
Speaker 4: Not that I have a DVD fire, but I mean,
Speaker 4: and I remember Chris Alexander, who is the publicist. Maybe
Speaker 4: he called me or sent me an email. Was there
Speaker 4: an email back then, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yes, with the Dinosaur, yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: I sat in my office.
Speaker 4: I was at the News of the time online and
Speaker 4: I sat in my office and I bawled watching it.
Speaker 4: I was by myself, and I cried. I literally cried.
Speaker 4: I kept watching Don't Stop Believing, over and oh, even
Speaker 4: now before I got on with you guys, I listened
Speaker 4: to it again, just hearing those first notes, and I
Speaker 4: remember going to everyone at egoing this is this show
Speaker 4: is going to be huge, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 4: as a journalist, it's like it's going to be huge
Speaker 4: just because I'm a gay guy and I love.
Speaker 5: The excomater and clean. But I was, I know, this was.
Speaker 4: You know, it was the life that I wanted to
Speaker 4: live when I was in high school. And it was
Speaker 4: you know, it's the cliche. We had never seen anything
Speaker 4: anything like it. There was all these you know, new
Speaker 4: actors obviously, you know, there were some that had some
Speaker 4: you know background that kind of.
Speaker 5: Knew you know what. No, I didn't know anybody.
Speaker 4: Why am I anybody was? No, I didn't, And I
Speaker 4: was like, we've got to get on it. We've got
Speaker 4: to get on the show. And like you know, Kevin
Speaker 4: said earlier, then it was like I was going to
Speaker 4: send visits before you guys even premiered. Yeah, which is
Speaker 4: wild when I think, like I was like, especially when
Speaker 4: Leah got funny Girl, I was like I was on
Speaker 4: set when she sang, don'ts wow some theater I think
Speaker 4: in the Valley, maybe Glendale, Burbank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we had we had the theater in Long Beache,
Speaker 3: but no, you're right, it was.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, and sitting on the steps, and I remember
Speaker 5: doing interview with the two of you. I probably have.
Speaker 4: I mean, if I went through my storage, I have
Speaker 4: the files Corey and everyone.
Speaker 2: So when you would normally get sent DVDs of new
Speaker 2: shows coming out and things like this, was this. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you got some things all the time by networks
Speaker 2: network publicists doing their job. Here's the new thing we're premiering.
Speaker 2: Like what is given to you? Are you instructed like this?
Speaker 2: We're really behind this? Do they believe in everything you
Speaker 2: get sent there like this is our new hottest thing,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah, and you do with it
Speaker 2: what you want? Or was this like another thing that
Speaker 2: came across your desk and you just happened to love
Speaker 2: it and then from there you took into your own
Speaker 2: arms and then I'll tell you what I want.
Speaker 4: The buzz for Glee was starting way before we saw anything.
Speaker 5: You know, Fox was on it.
Speaker 4: They knew this was something special, so we were being
Speaker 4: told about the show. I can't I don't remember the
Speaker 4: first time.
Speaker 5: I was told about the show, but there was definitely like,
Speaker 5: couldn't wait to the pilot.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't wait until they could show me the plight, right,
Speaker 4: so the pilot, because then there would be like these
Speaker 4: secret screenings, certain episodes that I would go to Fox
Speaker 4: and would be like five mi us in a room.
Speaker 5: But that was that was later really oh yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 4: It'd be like embargoed and you couldn't talk about it,
Speaker 4: but they'd want us to see it for when it
Speaker 4: write about it or just get the excitement and.
Speaker 5: Get you know, people talking about it. But yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean literally, I mean I for this day.
Speaker 4: I get especially now because there's so much content. You know,
Speaker 4: things are thrown at me. But there's definitely like a
Speaker 4: machine in place for certain projects where it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: we're really emphasizing this. And then you know there are
Speaker 4: people who will say something is the best thing, and
Speaker 4: I watch it, like literally the other day, someone's pitching
Speaker 4: an actor for me to interview about a certain show.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say it, and I watched the show
Speaker 4: and I was like, uh, And I was honest, I said, listen,
Speaker 4: there's no heat on the show, no one's talking about it.
Speaker 5: Can we wait till your client's next project, m because.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to do your client any
Speaker 4: good for me to talk to them about a project
Speaker 4: and no one's That's that's how the sausage.
Speaker 1: Is made interesting, so interesting.
Speaker 2: Wild because mad obviously we were not privy to all
Speaker 2: those secret screenings. We did not know any of that
Speaker 2: was going on.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what what was amazing was that, you know,
Speaker 4: as you know, there were certain moments in the show
Speaker 4: that became news stories before they were in the moments
Speaker 4: the biggest you know, one of the biggest ones, and
Speaker 4: it's just so weird to think about it because it
Speaker 4: was just a different time. Was you know, will you
Speaker 4: know Darren and Chris, Kurt and Blaine kiss And there
Speaker 4: were literally I had interviews after interviews and no one
Speaker 4: was allowed to say if they kiss, and they would,
Speaker 4: and I did all these headlines like blah blah blah
Speaker 4: teases you know, their kiss And it was right about
Speaker 4: the same time where was Eric phone shoot and Jesse
Speaker 4: Tallaferguson going to kiss on Modern Family. Now, it's just
Speaker 4: so you know, that's still a story when actor of
Speaker 4: the same sex you kiss.
Speaker 6: It depends on the project, obviously, but that was such
Speaker 6: like a such a thing. Yeah, yeah, which is just
Speaker 6: you know, you know that I have so many thoughts
Speaker 6: about it like it was in many ways also promoting
Speaker 6: on a.
Speaker 4: Not an anti It wasn't an anti gig, but it
Speaker 4: was like we were making it so taboo and I said,
Speaker 4: weed media and the show for that matter, we were
Speaker 4: making it so taboo of two guys to kiss. Was
Speaker 4: it really that positive doing all those things?
Speaker 2: Like which aspect was it feeding? Is it feeding into
Speaker 2: the heteronormative society we're trying to combat sort of thing,
Speaker 2: or like.
Speaker 4: Oh, you should tune in because you guys are going
Speaker 4: right box? Well that was that was also like I
Speaker 4: used to talk about that all the time, like this
Speaker 4: is fun.
Speaker 5: I'm confused, right Box News and you know, but then
Speaker 5: you have an American hertor story and.
Speaker 2: It's very different.
Speaker 5: It's it's very different, but was owned by the same person.
Speaker 5: So is he made money you guys made money for
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: There was a time when we all we were in
Speaker 2: New York during press and we all had to go
Speaker 2: to Fox News for an interview. You remember this. I
Speaker 2: remember this and Corey and I. Corey was very vocal
Speaker 2: about it, but Corey and I were not. Nobody was
Speaker 2: happy about it, but I was worried Corey was going
Speaker 2: to say some stuff. Yeah, and we were I remember that.
Speaker 2: I think I was sitting next to him or near him,
Speaker 2: because we were both sort of like, if you go down,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go down with you sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Because that was weird, you know, in the back of
Speaker 2: the your mind, you're like, well, uncle, you know, evil
Speaker 2: Rupert is paying the bills. Actually, even though Fox Network
Speaker 2: was very, very, very different from Fox News.
Speaker 5: But how do you right?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: So tell me about I love that. I think it's
Speaker 1: so interesting talking.
Speaker 3: About the like because you're on the other side of it,
Speaker 3: like you're it's kind of like you're in the driver's
Speaker 3: seat a little bit, but then it's it's turned because
Speaker 3: you're also answering to people.
Speaker 1: It's so it's so fascinating to me.
Speaker 3: But getting mestically, I'm interested to hear about your from
Speaker 3: your side of it, seeing the show blow up, seeing
Speaker 3: the show explode the way it did.
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys were the Beatles.
Speaker 4: You were the Beatles, you know, and what happened, what
Speaker 4: eventually happened too, is you were in that moment in time. No,
Speaker 4: you know remember those cars. Yeah, there was I remember
Speaker 4: the first sort of public event I went to. I
Speaker 4: don't again, I don't think you Premier jet was that
Speaker 4: Santa Monica High School.
Speaker 1: That's right, we hadn't.
Speaker 5: You hadn't, but there were fans there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, okay, maybe I think the pilot had aired because
Speaker 3: our pilot aired into that right, right, and then the
Speaker 3: rest of the series Sember right.
Speaker 4: So I remember going to Santa Monica High School for it,
Speaker 4: and you know, hearing this story is Leah had glass
Speaker 4: in her hair during the audition that yeah, I'm trying
Speaker 4: to remember all the other.
Speaker 1: Corey drove down from Vancouver audition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: So I remember it blowing up before it even started
Speaker 4: to blow up, because you had only, like you said,
Speaker 4: you only the pilot. And I will say this, and
Speaker 4: I don't you know, I don't think I've ever even talked.
Speaker 5: About this with any of you. My career blew up.
Speaker 4: Because of Glee, because my on camera life started because
Speaker 4: of Glee.
Speaker 5: Because what happened was.
Speaker 4: Corey and Leo were dating and they had never now
Speaker 4: never I worked at the ant work a variety, so
Speaker 4: you talked about personal life, they're dating, they never confirmed it.
Speaker 5: For some reason, and I don't know why.
Speaker 4: A producer at he said Mark could you go be
Speaker 4: the correspondent at the Chrysalis Ball.
Speaker 5: It's this fundraising ball.
Speaker 4: Corey and Leo were going, and I said, I'm going
Speaker 4: to get them to confirm their data.
Speaker 5: Watch get there.
Speaker 4: First of all, our crew guy forgot on my her phone,
Speaker 4: so having one of those big fuzzy things if I
Speaker 4: have my crotch, and right there, I was like, are
Speaker 4: you serious? This is my first thing and it's that big?
Speaker 5: What is it? A wolfer or whatever? You know what
Speaker 5: I mean, yes, something. So I'm like and Leah comes
Speaker 5: on the carpet, and as we know, Leah was a
Speaker 5: little more media trained and a.
Speaker 4: Little more savvy than Corey was. And I said to Lydia,
Speaker 4: I said, who's your date for tonight? And she basically
Speaker 4: winked at me. She knew what I was trying to do.
Speaker 4: She's like, I'm here with my girlfriend. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: she walks up.
Speaker 2: Corey comes, sweet, sweet, innocent Canadian Cory.
Speaker 4: Corey, Innocent Corey, and I was like, so, Corey, is
Speaker 4: this a date night for you?
Speaker 5: And Leah? He goes, yeah it is, And I was like,
Speaker 5: we did it.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, wow.
Speaker 4: That was my first red carpet as a correspond You know,
Speaker 4: I've done TV before, but as a Red Carb correspondent,
Speaker 4: and you never, you never, you.
Speaker 5: Never looked back.
Speaker 1: It was a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just it was it was a good question.
Speaker 1: It was a very good question.
Speaker 5: It was a very question.
Speaker 4: And that's that's how my on camera corresponding work started.
Speaker 5: Because of Leah and Quarry. I had no idea, Wow, yeah,
Speaker 5: my first carpet, dude, I mean, I should google it.
Speaker 5: It was you know, it's like that news.
Speaker 3: Then it was, oh my gosh, that's it. There was,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Because like from the moment you watched the pilot and
Speaker 2: you felt so passionate about it and being able to
Speaker 2: see the show grow and then also resonate with people
Speaker 2: because I imagine this happens sometimes too. You see something
Speaker 2: you really like it, and then for whatever reasons, it
Speaker 2: doesn't keep going. There's not the amount of success you
Speaker 2: hope it would have. This one had that success and
Speaker 2: we're all here because of it. And what was that
Speaker 2: feeling like for you? I mean, because you saw us
Speaker 2: as just wide eyed newbies on the Red Carpet from
Speaker 2: an on set from the very very beginning to seeing
Speaker 2: the Red Carpets grow to seeing the fan response grow
Speaker 2: in real life and then also having the show that
Speaker 2: personally meant something to you. Yeah, he received the way
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 4: It was, you know, you know, Glee one of those
Speaker 4: examples that I use when I'm mentoring people saying, you know,
Speaker 4: if you're passionate about something, get on board early, you know,
Speaker 4: And I usually as an example, I said, you know
Speaker 4: and listen.
Speaker 5: I never went around.
Speaker 4: To people saying I'm friends with the gleek cass, I'm
Speaker 4: friends with Ted and I'm friends with We were friendly.
Speaker 4: It's a business transaction. You need something, I need something.
Speaker 4: But as a journalist, I was an early supporter of it.
Speaker 5: To see it.
Speaker 4: Because let me tell you, there are other I'm trying
Speaker 4: to think of the other product or I like got
Speaker 4: really crazy about it, people like Margo Nutts, and it
Speaker 4: never went anywhere, and there were.
Speaker 5: Probably plenty of that.
Speaker 4: So to see it grow and to see it resonate,
Speaker 4: you know, and really, you know, we didn't call ourselves
Speaker 4: queer at that time, but with other you know, gay
Speaker 4: people like as a gay man of a certain age,
Speaker 4: the Lee was not something that I could literally ever
Speaker 4: have imagined, could not have imagined what's amazing is Since then,
Speaker 4: I've said that about.
Speaker 5: Many things, and it's usually Ryan Murphy, right, and it's.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, insight, right, right, what right?
Speaker 5: You know? Game changer?
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you realize in the moment
Speaker 4: it's a game changer. You know it's different, you know
Speaker 4: it's resonating. But you know, could oppose come if.
Speaker 5: A glee hadn't right, right, you know, you know. So
Speaker 5: I remember being in it with you guys, totally.
Speaker 4: God, there's so many, Oh god, so literally I was
Speaker 4: writing down all these times.
Speaker 5: I literally have no here.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feeld share because you were like when
Speaker 2: you say you wouldn't say you're friends with us, but
Speaker 2: you were friendly. But you were the like talking to
Speaker 2: journalists was a very new thing, and making sure we
Speaker 2: didn't say the wrong thing things was hard to figure out,
Speaker 2: but like you were always if you were on the
Speaker 2: red carpet, we always went to you because were the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you were saying friendly.
Speaker 5: I remember, oh.
Speaker 4: The first the first time I think I saw you
Speaker 4: guys like out of work, the two of you you
Speaker 4: came up to me. It was like an H and
Speaker 4: M party. It was some clothing brand. This is what
Speaker 4: I remember in my I could see it in my head.
Speaker 4: I feel like Jenna was maybe wearing a hat, or
Speaker 4: maybe Kevin were wearing a hat. I can't remember someone
Speaker 4: was wearing a hat.
Speaker 5: And I literally remember like my shoulder and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm like hi, And.
Speaker 4: I didn't recognize you guys because it was out of
Speaker 4: in a wheelchair. Like I'm trying to remember when I
Speaker 4: found out that you were actually weren't in a wheel chair.
Speaker 5: Said visits, and I remember, I think it was it
Speaker 5: was a it was some kind of like clothing, the
Speaker 5: kind of party.
Speaker 1: It was some crazy event and then.
Speaker 4: You know, seeing you guys, just you know. The other
Speaker 4: thing that I remember very clearly is it was for
Speaker 4: the concert film. The concert film, the premiere.
Speaker 1: It was in Banana. Banana was crazy.
Speaker 5: But I remember of blue and gold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that is huge. We didn't almost don't even
Speaker 3: make it in for the movie. I remember it being
Speaker 3: so massive and like you're like, is this the Golden globes?
Speaker 5: Globes?
Speaker 4: And I completely for how I forgot about this because
Speaker 4: I've told this story, but it came back to me
Speaker 4: always doing some research.
Speaker 5: Was I had Matthew Morrison's first interview.
Speaker 4: After the finale, the final final, like an hour after.
Speaker 5: Harvey Weinstein. So here's the story. Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 4: Was producing Uh Neverland find So Harvey Weinstein really wanted
Speaker 4: Finding Neverland to be mentioned during Live from E on
Speaker 4: the red carpet of the Oscars. He was he wanted
Speaker 4: Juliana Ransay to mention Finding Neverland. He'd gone to one
Speaker 4: of our producers that e she didn't come through. But
Speaker 4: then Harvey's people are calling me, going what.
Speaker 5: Could you do?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I called the producer Ida. I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's Harvey Weinstein. If he calls you gotta you know
Speaker 4: this is got you gotta come true. So we were like, Harbie,
Speaker 4: if you want something Juliana Ranson, can't just mention it
Speaker 4: at him nowhere, like give us some context. So the
Speaker 4: night before the Oscars, the Weinstein Company as there has
Speaker 4: a party. Matthew was going straight from the finale shoot
Speaker 4: to the party to sing.
Speaker 5: From Finding Neverland.
Speaker 4: So I was like, Okay, if that's the case, what
Speaker 4: I want is an interview with Matthew Morrison.
Speaker 5: Harvey arrange a whole set for me. Up it because it.
Speaker 4: Was at the montage whatever it's called now w Hill,
Speaker 4: We're in a severed room.
Speaker 5: They set up the two camera shoot.
Speaker 4: Audio blah blah blah, because I was like, we not
Speaker 4: only have to shoot it, we needed edited now because
Speaker 4: the oscars.
Speaker 5: Are the next day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Harvey made Matthew leave like he couldn't hang
Speaker 4: around with you guys after your shot the finale because
Speaker 4: it was like, you've got to be my party to
Speaker 4: perform and do this interview with the news.
Speaker 1: That's why Met wasn't there. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Because we after the when we finish shooting, we all
Speaker 2: I had a moment together, like in the auditorium we're
Speaker 2: doing on the stage that he was there.
Speaker 4: To go sing for freaking up Harvey, and.
Speaker 5: I felt bad.
Speaker 3: I was like you, but it must have made it
Speaker 3: more enjoyable to do to cover our show so much
Speaker 3: because you.
Speaker 1: Were a fan, right, Like, did it make your job
Speaker 1: a little bit better? Not that your job was bad.
Speaker 4: I'm trying, you know, listen, when Corey passed, that's where
Speaker 4: I got a little sticky, because you know, we're covering
Speaker 4: something that was not happiness, So I have to put
Speaker 4: my journalist tap on. And I always when I come
Speaker 4: at it. Yes I'm a fan, but you guys know me.
Speaker 5: I want to break news, but I don't want to
Speaker 5: hear you you love Glee. I want news. I want
Speaker 5: to headline.
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to remember it. There was ever a
Speaker 4: time where like I did.
Speaker 5: End up butting heads.
Speaker 4: With probably more like publicists than obviously you you know.
Speaker 4: But the Corey situation was, you know, that was a
Speaker 4: tough one.
Speaker 5: You know, and I will you know, I remember the day.
Speaker 4: I remember getting in bed and my husband, my then
Speaker 4: husband at the time, uh, turning to me and said
Speaker 4: Corey and he couldn't pronounced the last name. He's Corey,
Speaker 4: the guy from Glee.
Speaker 5: I was like, what like?
Speaker 4: And you know, Corey, as you know, was so special.
Speaker 4: And you know, I remember the first time I entered
Speaker 4: your chore and he was using the language of recovery
Speaker 4: and I was, I was in my recovery. I was,
Speaker 4: I was struggling with my recovery. M I remember the
Speaker 4: true and we never talked about his sobriety.
Speaker 1: There's a language.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hear someone talking and he talked to it.
Speaker 4: And I remember just bonding with.
Speaker 5: Him, you know, in that way. But no, it was
Speaker 5: that was a tough cover story to cover, but you
Speaker 5: know we.
Speaker 2: Had to know and.
Speaker 4: To do that makes sense, Yeah, but it is you know,
Speaker 4: it's fun for sure seeing a show blow up that you, yeah,
Speaker 4: that you.
Speaker 5: First got excited about.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just you know, it's uh, just sort
Speaker 4: of a comparison in a way was Jessica Chastain. I
Speaker 4: didn't know who she was that she had to do
Speaker 4: with Glee, but in the same vein I remember being
Speaker 4: introduced to her. She was getting like the new Artist,
Speaker 4: the New Newcomer Award at Elle Women in Hollywood.
Speaker 5: She just shot The Help.
Speaker 4: And a Tree of Life with pet No one knew
Speaker 4: who she was at that point, and we bonded right away.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to support, you know, and it's I've
Speaker 4: got this great relationship with her. I never asked her
Speaker 4: she wanted to be on Glee, but we've had this
Speaker 4: great I did get her to do her singing debut,
Speaker 4: though it was it was the Critics Choice Awards, and
Speaker 4: it was my birthday and she's saying happy birthdays. Recently,
Speaker 4: we have this ongoing thing where like every time we talked,
Speaker 4: one of our sentences.
Speaker 2: But you know, you I think it's a testament to
Speaker 2: the type of person you are that it's not just us,
Speaker 2: Sir Gisca Chastain. There's Brendan Frasier. There's lots of people
Speaker 2: who you have, that's right, really great relationships with because fun, Yes,
Speaker 2: you're fun, You're nice. Obviously you are a journalist. You're
Speaker 2: trying to get the headlines, you're trying to get the story,
Speaker 2: but you always do it, I think from a place
Speaker 2: of compassion, where you know, when you're talking to people
Speaker 2: on a red carpet, those who are like glazed over
Speaker 2: and those who really care. You've always cared and you've
Speaker 2: always I think that's also why, like look at where
Speaker 2: you are now, Like you have this gigantic job and
Speaker 2: you're everywhere with all the people all the time, because
Speaker 2: you know, when good things happen to good people, it's
Speaker 2: nice to see that.
Speaker 4: But you know, it was you know in terms of
Speaker 4: like are like you know, sort of like where I
Speaker 4: got not sticky, but it was like I remember with
Speaker 4: Chris called for you know, coming out of a closet,
Speaker 4: you know, and that was that was the thing. And
Speaker 4: I remember, you know, we were discussing, I'm like, does
Speaker 4: he even know he is gay.
Speaker 5: He's so young and Kevin, I'm trying to remember. I
Speaker 5: think when I found out you were gay. I think
Speaker 5: it was one of those like really may have been.
Speaker 5: It's hard to be that now.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things, you know, like I also
Speaker 2: might have It was something that like I don't even
Speaker 2: think I was consciously doing of when I was around
Speaker 2: other gay guys, you like overcompensate, so you know, like
Speaker 2: and so I'm wondering if I did that with you.
Speaker 2: As much as I was always so excited to see you,
Speaker 2: I wonder if I was also like over compensating and
Speaker 2: some like hey, like I don't know. Maybe no, never,
Speaker 2: never that how was that with Chris? Because when we
Speaker 2: had Chris here there, you know, there was this there
Speaker 2: was a like you say, sticky, a really sticky time
Speaker 2: when we didn't when we first met him, we didn't
Speaker 2: know whether he knew either about herself but what he
Speaker 2: was feeling. And and when that did come out where
Speaker 2: he sort of orchestrated the thing with Chelsea Handler, he
Speaker 2: could sort of take the reins of the story himself. Yeah, what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: did you notice like a marked difference bet with you
Speaker 2: or like being able to interview him, or.
Speaker 4: I will say it about every closeted celebrity. This is
Speaker 4: how they are when they're closet, when they.
Speaker 5: Come out there like that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Everyone.
Speaker 4: My big example of that it is Christmas Stewart m hm.
Speaker 4: And you know I had a very similar relationship with her,
Speaker 4: like Lee because of Twilight, so like Highlight was another
Speaker 4: one of mine. But you know, she they don't look
Speaker 4: you in the eye. They they like I'm talking about
Speaker 4: like some foreigners or something. But like it's the you know,
Speaker 4: and me being me, I'm a two dollars million you know. Uh,
Speaker 4: so I was always out and I know for closeted celebrities,
Speaker 4: and people have told me that they'd be scared to
Speaker 4: talk to me one because if I found out two
Speaker 4: let something slip, because.
Speaker 5: I'll call people girl. I'll call a straight guys girl.
Speaker 1: You know right, I'm a girler.
Speaker 4: But so yeah, so Chris, you know it's part where
Speaker 4: but also Chris, and the same thing with Chris so young.
Speaker 5: So I you know when Glee started, you know who
Speaker 5: he was. He was eighteen, you know right now, you
Speaker 5: know when I was eighteen.
Speaker 4: I mean I came out when I was eighteen, but
Speaker 4: I was in college.
Speaker 5: I wasn't on this humongous right right the show trying
Speaker 5: to figure that out.
Speaker 4: And I remember having conversations probably you know, whether it
Speaker 4: was within his personal rep or reps at Fox, and
Speaker 4: I remember being like, I don't think he like, we
Speaker 4: haven't talked.
Speaker 5: To him about it. You don't.
Speaker 4: You don't say to someone who if they're not sure
Speaker 4: about the sexuality, like are you sure of your sexuality yet? Like, right,
Speaker 4: there was no one you know, he wasn't. Yeah, so,
Speaker 4: but there's definitely the guard is down as soon as.
Speaker 5: You're out, the guard down.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: You moderated the pallet Fest with us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paley Fest. That was a big because I was
Speaker 5: I was thirty six people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you prepare for a pallet Fest with
Speaker 3: thirty six people on a panel?
Speaker 1: Like what do you choose to ask? Who do you
Speaker 1: choose to? You know, how do you do that?
Speaker 5: Listen?
Speaker 4: Pale for the fans. So it's not you know, we're
Speaker 4: not doing deep dives. And especially so when when it's
Speaker 4: a lot of people on the panel, you have a question,
Speaker 4: you have to direct it to a person if you
Speaker 4: just open up, like Hey, who wants to answer this?
Speaker 1: Half hour gone anywhere? A half hour is gone?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also everyone I'm top of each other, so
Speaker 4: you got to be like Corey, tell me about this.
Speaker 4: And obviously I never got to Jenna tell me about this,
Speaker 4: so I'm obviously still hurting about that.
Speaker 5: I remember it.
Speaker 2: Was now's your time. Now you can ask her anything.
Speaker 1: You ask me anything. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and it's you know that Pales has been
Speaker 4: circulating recently. Kind of forgot about it and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I saw you.
Speaker 5: You interviewed the.
Speaker 1: Interesting huh, that's so funny. Interesting?
Speaker 2: How is this you started sort of a relationship too
Speaker 2: with Like maybe it's because you're a fan of like
Speaker 2: Ryan Murphy shows, but I feel like Ryan was always
Speaker 2: really apt to give you sort of like the like
Speaker 2: to be a part of this, like come join us.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that again, I think that
Speaker 4: was just like hey, I'm you know, supporting this from
Speaker 4: day one, you know, is it a loyalty thing? But
Speaker 4: like I said, I don't pretend I'm friendly with Ryan Murphy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't call him, I don't have his email nothing.
Speaker 4: You know, and listen, if you're if you're a producer.
Speaker 4: If you're a content creator, you're going to gravitate towards
Speaker 4: people who are excited about, you know, what you're doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's for me that man.
Speaker 4: You know, I got exclusive that man, I got time
Speaker 4: to talk to Ryan and other people didn't, uh talk
Speaker 4: to the cat and other people did and so on
Speaker 4: and so forth. So you know, it's uh my god, Wow,
Speaker 4: it's it was yesterday, but it certainly was.
Speaker 5: It certainly wasn't sure it wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Was definitely, But we feel you, We feel you.
Speaker 5: Like Matthew Morrison's Halloween.
Speaker 2: Parties, Oh my god, was there a carpet for those?
Speaker 5: You just go No, Matthew would always give me the
Speaker 5: exclusive hilarious that it was like the one I like.
Speaker 4: There are videos out there of me dressed as a
Speaker 4: green witch interviewing Matthew Morrison, mean.
Speaker 5: Dressed the first year.
Speaker 4: I don't think we did an interview for the first
Speaker 4: year I ran. It was my first Halloween with my
Speaker 4: then future.
Speaker 5: Husband.
Speaker 4: We ran as clowns. We ran as clowns, and my
Speaker 4: name and the best was I And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: a Halloween person. I love the dress up of it all.
Speaker 4: So we ran as clowns. I had a Mini Cooper
Speaker 4: at the time which drive down some of our address
Speaker 4: as a clown and.
Speaker 1: Perfect was amazing.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: And I remember.
Speaker 4: Being a clown and the best you know, and I
Speaker 4: like a Halloween customer, like you don't know who it is,
Speaker 4: like you know if you can tell.
Speaker 5: It's Mark, and that Mark Matthew Morrison Halloween parties.
Speaker 7: My gosh, were you there? Were you there on the
Speaker 7: last day of set? Did we have did we have
Speaker 7: press there like for that? For the literal circus that
Speaker 7: they threw up? No, No, there was okay, they let
Speaker 7: me threw the circus.
Speaker 2: Anyone was going to be there, it would have been marked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, because I think I was setting on my
Speaker 4: shoes with.
Speaker 1: Matthew Morrison exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Do you have any other like favorite, because you said
Speaker 2: you were sort of like doing your research and looking back.
Speaker 2: What else comes to mind when you think about that crazy,
Speaker 2: crazy era, if you will.
Speaker 4: I remember the first episode watching Dot Marie Jones mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And I remember going to again Ility. I mean I
Speaker 4: was for the whole time of.
Speaker 5: The show, and I remember saying, we need to get
Speaker 5: her in the office. I need to do an interview
Speaker 5: with her. M I need to do an interview with.
Speaker 4: Don I was assessed, that's what doct Mary Jones and
Speaker 4: I did one of her first interviews. I was like,
Speaker 4: come in the opposite a change.
Speaker 5: All.
Speaker 4: Great and just someone different and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what a joy to work with Ray Sunshine.
Speaker 4: Just just see Jane Lynch. Was always so awesome to
Speaker 4: see someone like Jane Lynch. She was older and getting
Speaker 4: these flowers.
Speaker 5: It was amazing cool.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Darren Chris. To this day, I still
Speaker 4: see him and I light up. Just where did I
Speaker 4: just I just shot some video of Chris called for
Speaker 4: actually and I got the po He was at the
Speaker 4: Fatal Attraction premiere the other night.
Speaker 1: I got to remember, that's right, I saw that they
Speaker 1: were there.
Speaker 4: I saw that video, or if I see Kevin and
Speaker 4: the crowd and whatever from here we were at.
Speaker 5: Recently, we were at Shrinking, Shrinking.
Speaker 2: Shrinking, and I saw him talking to Harrison Ford and
Speaker 2: I was behind him like a proud parent taking pictures
Speaker 2: of him entering Harrison Ford, and I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, look at you. I skipped the carpet, but
Speaker 2: I was like, let me just take pictures of him
Speaker 2: on the carpet.
Speaker 1: Sacks on the carpet.
Speaker 3: Now we literally only get snacks from people from celebrities.
Speaker 4: My four bags, my four bags of gummy bears from random.
Speaker 5: Lace crazier right there in the living room, Brandon.
Speaker 4: But you're gonna eat them, right, I'm like, uh no,
Speaker 4: these are collectibles now. Brain like time in Hollywood, you know,
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 5: Like it was such like it was such moments of oh.
Speaker 4: My god, grendath manchall is going to do the show,
Speaker 4: Y Martin's going to do the show, and those were
Speaker 4: like we couldn't like the people that Ryan was getting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or catalogues of music that we were being offered.
Speaker 1: You're like, who almost are you joking?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: And it was like, you know what, people don't really
Speaker 4: you know, the stories have eventually been done about.
Speaker 5: It's like you can't just do a song, right, you
Speaker 5: got to buy those songs.
Speaker 4: You've gotta you know, you've got to negotiate for those
Speaker 4: songs and just you know, but the fact that don't
Speaker 4: stop believing still, I mean, it's one of the first
Speaker 4: times to get in and that's that's the something that
Speaker 4: I'll always associated with the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the feeling Glee leaves you with like
Speaker 1: to this day.
Speaker 4: There was such a moment in time I remember being excited.
Speaker 5: I it brings back.
Speaker 4: It's definitely this moment of joy. But as someone in recovery,
Speaker 4: I can't help but think of.
Speaker 5: Cory mm hmmm, you know, and that.
Speaker 4: You know, we know the show has you know, had
Speaker 4: some you know, tragedy.
Speaker 5: But when.
Speaker 4: I think of Corey, because I think of our interaction,
Speaker 4: you know, and you know, I'm not in no way
Speaker 4: trying to equate my interaction with him the kind of
Speaker 4: interactions you had with him, but I think of what
Speaker 4: life ahead was that could have been mm hmm. And
Speaker 4: because of the addiction, yeah, you know, and of what
Speaker 4: his death did in terms of educating people, right, you know,
Speaker 4: and showing you know, this is someone who everyone knew.
Speaker 4: And I say, now, you know, we're on a podcast
Speaker 4: and so I'm doing air quotes.
Speaker 5: So I can't help but think of that.
Speaker 4: But I also can't help but think of like all
Speaker 4: the time I would try to get out of you, like, no,
Speaker 4: what's next, what's kind of in the next season, what's
Speaker 4: happening on the next episode.
Speaker 5: Is there going to be a Glee Broadway show? Is
Speaker 5: they going to be a Glee What are you going
Speaker 5: to adapt Glee for? That's what you know. It was just.
Speaker 4: It was never ending in right, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 4: know we keep saying this, and I'm sure not the
Speaker 4: only one who said this to you a Brazilian time.
Speaker 4: It was just something, you know, it was for us
Speaker 4: theater kids, you know, you know, and I was not
Speaker 4: a theater kid when I was watching Lee. I was
Speaker 4: a little older. But knowing that there were you know,
Speaker 4: and we're using again it feels weird to say they
Speaker 4: were queer kids watching the Lee because the time we
Speaker 4: didn't even use the word queer, you know, but there
Speaker 4: were you know, LGBT kids watching Glee who were the
Speaker 4: same age, well the same age as your characters, who
Speaker 4: were feeling who felt seen but me, you know, and
Speaker 4: I was again at a certain age, I was feeling
Speaker 4: seen where I hadn't felt seen before. To be able
Speaker 4: to bring to cover that and then bring that more.
Speaker 5: Even to these kids was just amazing. Was an amazing thing.
Speaker 4: But like we said at the beginning of this, you know,
Speaker 4: the whole gay thing is an interesting thing because it
Speaker 4: was treated as it was so special. But does that
Speaker 4: play into the taboo of it and not the so
Speaker 4: called normality of it, right, And I know you know
Speaker 4: the answer to that is like, can't wait for a
Speaker 4: day when we don't have to ask like, what was
Speaker 4: it like doing the gay kids? It was just like,
Speaker 4: what was it like kissing you know insert actors? Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I also know how important representation and visibility is
Speaker 4: for a kid out there, So you know, and I
Speaker 4: think I probably said that to you guys all the time,
Speaker 4: like you're saving lives. You're saving lives with the show
Speaker 4: because of you know, not just day. You know, someone
Speaker 4: in a wheelchair, Asian black like Tino. You know, yeah,
Speaker 4: people are being seen that had never been seen before
Speaker 4: in such a mange. I mean, you were mainstream.
Speaker 5: The lack of a.
Speaker 2: Better term, Yeah, eight pm on Fox.
Speaker 4: Straight on Fox, and you know the yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: now I'm going to put my journalists cap on for
Speaker 4: you guys. And it's even and you even remember.
Speaker 5: The moment where you knew was turning.
Speaker 4: Where it's like, oh shit, this is huge.
Speaker 2: They're sort of and we said, I think, like Jen
Speaker 2: and I have talked about this, but there were sort
Speaker 2: of two moments, but I don't think this first one
Speaker 2: when we went to Australia and the pilot had aired
Speaker 2: here and in Australia, but when we went to Australia,
Speaker 2: there were we went to two malls and there were
Speaker 2: over a one thousand people at each spot and we're like,
Speaker 2: that's crazy and weird and makes no sense.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like chaos and we were
Speaker 3: moved and it was a lot, and I think it
Speaker 3: was the first time we were like, oh, our lives are
Speaker 3: not going to be the same.
Speaker 2: We didn't necessarily know. They're like, this is crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 2: This is amazing. And then we went back to shooting.
Speaker 2: We came back to the US and the show's doing
Speaker 2: well and you're hearing about it your friends and your family.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it was until like we
Speaker 2: went on tour, we had to leave La Yea. Once
Speaker 2: we left la even if it was to go back
Speaker 2: to our families over the holidays or things like that,
Speaker 2: when we were amongst other people that were not so
Speaker 2: jaded as you know, Hollywood people.
Speaker 1: Were used to seeing stars all the time.
Speaker 2: Right now, you could feel it. Yeah, no matter where
Speaker 2: we went the and there's a difference between people are
Speaker 2: starstruck and when people feel they have some sort of
Speaker 2: for lack of a better word, ownership or connection or
Speaker 2: friendship with you because they've seen you. And we weren't
Speaker 2: playing these unattainable characters. We were playing relatable characters. Yea,
Speaker 2: and it's and Chris got the I think the other
Speaker 2: bront of it. But people were very emotionally and physically
Speaker 2: attached to us, and we could we experienced that firsthand,
Speaker 2: I think, And yeah, I would say towards the end
Speaker 2: of first season, when we could go out on tour
Speaker 2: and meet people and see reactions that way, would.
Speaker 4: You now turning the table the two of you, like
Speaker 4: the two of you, would you like, let's say, whatever,
Speaker 4: wherever you're going on tour, right your backstage you're waiting
Speaker 4: to go on, you're hearing about that.
Speaker 5: Would you look at each other and be like what, no? What?
Speaker 5: Would this makes sense? No? No?
Speaker 1: I it's a little bit of both.
Speaker 3: Like before we went on stage, we'd all joke with
Speaker 3: each other and we'd be in each other's ears because
Speaker 3: we could all.
Speaker 1: Hear each other.
Speaker 3: And I think it was like almost a coping mechanism
Speaker 3: to like to to bond with the people and to
Speaker 3: feel like you're going through this with somebody without saying
Speaker 3: it like we would. We would just act like normal kids, right,
Speaker 3: we're acting like stupid goofy goofballs and be saying like,
Speaker 3: you know, perverted girl and boy parts, you know, something
Speaker 3: stupid like that. It was almost a coping mechanism to
Speaker 3: be like, we're still normal, We're still this is still me,
Speaker 3: right when people are screaming at you and they're screaming
Speaker 3: Jenna and they're screaming Tina, and you have this like,
Speaker 3: you know, mixed personality like and then you go out
Speaker 3: after the tour and there would be gates and you'd
Speaker 3: run and all the fans would be waiting and they'd
Speaker 3: be like at the gates and you're like, we have
Speaker 3: to go say hi. You can't just ignore that, right,
Speaker 3: And then security guards would be like you cannot say hi.
Speaker 3: We'd go say hi anyway. And there was one time
Speaker 3: where a bunch of kids were like teen and Tina,
Speaker 3: please SIGND my program and you'd have to try and
Speaker 3: sign it through the gate because you have to get
Speaker 3: your arms through, and of course you just want to
Speaker 3: make these kids so happy, and you know, they'd scream
Speaker 3: and one fan was like, her name is Jenna. She
Speaker 3: yelled another one, and I was like, don't fight.
Speaker 7: Let's not fight.
Speaker 1: But that's like.
Speaker 3: The attachment and like the things like we know you
Speaker 3: and we we're going to protect you and we're going
Speaker 3: to take care of you. Like that's the feeling that
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh wow, they like really care And
Speaker 3: that to me was like these moments of like trying
Speaker 3: to go through a hotel and like get through with
Speaker 3: security and you're like, I'm still like person with you know,
Speaker 3: free agency to move around, right, You're like trying to
Speaker 3: find that freedom and that independence that you have. But
Speaker 3: then on the other side of it, feeling like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, this is the craziest and coolest thing ever
Speaker 3: and like I don't know that. I mean hindsight, right,
Speaker 3: You're like that doesn't last forever. Like I can walk
Speaker 3: down the street now, great, cool, you know, but there's
Speaker 3: something about it and you're like, wow, this is.
Speaker 1: This is this is crazy? Is this real life?
Speaker 5: Kevin? Were you Yeah, I'm coming there turning the table
Speaker 5: and I know I didn't.
Speaker 4: Talk about this, but you know, one thing to tell
Speaker 4: your listeners, you know what Kevin was really amazing was
Speaker 4: when Kevin came out publicly. You must have done You
Speaker 4: must have done it in a social media post that
Speaker 4: I seen, right, I like as Twitter, Yeah right, and
Speaker 4: I sent him and we hadn't spoken, you hadn't seen
Speaker 4: each other in.
Speaker 5: A while, and I was I had left me and.
Speaker 4: I was trying to like launch this thing. It's so
Speaker 4: weird to think about a Facebook live show in my
Speaker 4: living room on my couch and I remember sending you
Speaker 4: a message, probably on Twitter or yeah, because I don't
Speaker 4: know no Instagram is run send me your messing. Hey,
Speaker 4: I saw it to did Where did you come on
Speaker 4: this show that is not even a show now?
Speaker 5: Talk about it?
Speaker 4: And Kevin drove to my house at the time in
Speaker 4: Sherman Thoko by himself, came up by driveway, got on
Speaker 4: my orange couch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, the story took off.
Speaker 4: I mean it was like it was the first time Kevin,
Speaker 4: I'm talking about you like you're not here. I'm just
Speaker 4: talking about job that Kevin talked to death about his journey.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So my question for you is, when all of that
Speaker 4: was happening, were you scared that someone who's going to
Speaker 4: scream out you're gay. I know you're getting that you're
Speaker 4: going to be outed that that something, how much that
Speaker 4: sort of weigh on you.
Speaker 2: There were a couple of times, yes, Naya was really
Speaker 2: she didn't understand why I wasn't being public because she
Speaker 2: was like, someone's gonna say something. She's like, you're messy.
Speaker 2: She's like, somebody's going to say something like why don't
Speaker 2: you want to get ahead of it like that? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, she was much more media savvy than I was,
Speaker 2: and I was like, who cares, No one cares about me, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not that messy. I was in a long term relationship,
Speaker 2: even though he was in Brazil, like as we talked about,
Speaker 2: you know, for a billion years, and I wasn't really concerned.
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking outside of myself really. Obviously, to an extent,
Speaker 2: I was because I wasn't being open, right, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily calculating how this was going to turn out.
Speaker 2: And to an extent, I think I was right because
Speaker 2: no one really did notice or care, because it's like
Speaker 2: there's a difference between I wasn't Kurt or Blaine, you know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't playing a character that was drawing that much
Speaker 2: attention in that way, right, And so I could sort
Speaker 2: of just coast, and I was enjoying not having that
Speaker 2: attention because I saw how hard that was for Chris.
Speaker 2: And it was sort of like, I'm doing this the easy,
Speaker 2: cowardly way, and I may be okay with that for now.
Speaker 2: And and I think I'm also like it was sort
Speaker 2: of old school, where like, well you can't come out
Speaker 2: and then still work, you know, Like that was just
Speaker 2: that was so ingrained in me that I didn't even
Speaker 2: think that was a problem. I was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: that's just so. I There were absolutely times where I
Speaker 2: was concerned that someone was going to say something, for sure.
Speaker 5: But did you have did you have conversations with Ryan
Speaker 5: about it?
Speaker 2: I did. There was a time our first I think
Speaker 2: it was our first refference in New York, and we
Speaker 2: all went out and it was like a success, and
Speaker 2: we all was it the end of the first season
Speaker 2: towards or the middle of the first season, I think,
Speaker 2: and we got we were a little under the influence,
Speaker 2: and I just sort of came clean to everyone, all
Speaker 2: the higher ups because Jenna knew, Amber new, Chris knew,
Speaker 2: you know, like my people knew, and Ryan and the
Speaker 2: Dantes and Brad and all them were like the Scary Bosses.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, here you got another homo in
Speaker 2: the cast. There's a lot of us, and they're like,
Speaker 2: oh okay, and obviously did not bat an eye. I
Speaker 2: don't think they were shocked one percent, but they never
Speaker 2: really Dante, who was one of the executi producers, he
Speaker 2: was definitely more than Naya train of like just say it,
Speaker 2: just do it, like why are you living the secret
Speaker 2: double life? And I didn't think about it in that way.
Speaker 2: But he was also the one to start opening up
Speaker 2: the floor to being like, well, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: a tales oldest time in the gay world, like you're
Speaker 2: fetishizing the secrecy and all that, and I was like
Speaker 2: what And so I did not understand any of that
Speaker 2: at the time, but yeah, there was people, you know,
Speaker 2: Ni and Amber and Chris and Jenna were all sort
Speaker 2: of looking out for me. So you know, I don't
Speaker 2: looking back like I think what I said to you
Speaker 2: as well, Mark is like sure, I definitely absolutely should
Speaker 2: have wish I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, not at all.
Speaker 2: But also to that time when you when you reached
Speaker 2: out to me about that, I remember texting my publicist
Speaker 2: being like I'm doing this like I wasn't should I
Speaker 2: do this? Like it's Mark? And I never thought again
Speaker 2: with not planning things because I didn't plan like the
Speaker 2: tweet of making it some sort of setting up some
Speaker 2: interview or yeah, And I was like, no, if there's
Speaker 2: anybody I would ever like talk to about this, it
Speaker 2: would be Mark.
Speaker 4: And to this day, every time that a story that
Speaker 4: has something told Kevin Mcow comes up.
Speaker 5: It's always like.
Speaker 2: Live yea.
Speaker 4: If I'm remembering correctly, were there paparazzi shots of the
Speaker 4: two of you and then.
Speaker 5: People were thinking you were dating?
Speaker 2: Yes at the beach.
Speaker 5: You were at the beach.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're in control of that. Yeah, we did that
Speaker 3: on purpose. We just didn't think it would get to
Speaker 3: the US. We were in Monaco at the time, so
Speaker 3: we thought whatever.
Speaker 5: How I remember beach paparazzih.
Speaker 1: That's good because it's the most famous we've ever been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, peaked. It was everywhere, it was, truly. It was
Speaker 2: very strange.
Speaker 1: News all the time, and we were like great.
Speaker 4: And I'm trying to remember if when I saw those shots,
Speaker 4: whether I was like girl or I just thought or
Speaker 4: I didn't know, right, I may honestly, like I said,
Speaker 4: I may not know, but I remember those beach shots.
Speaker 1: Right, good memory. That is a good memory.
Speaker 2: You got to go back to Monaco gladly anytime.
Speaker 1: Call it, call me Jenna cheating on husband Kevin Mgale,
Speaker 1: be like yeah.
Speaker 2: For sure with each other. So it's fine, works out,
Speaker 2: It makes sense.
Speaker 3: Mark, It's been amazing to have your Thanks for taking
Speaker 3: the time, and we really really appreciate it and.
Speaker 2: Happy to have you back because we could just keep going.
Speaker 1: Part two, I do.
Speaker 4: I have to do some more Google searching and really
Speaker 4: sort of go down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: Let us know when you're ready. We'll have you back
Speaker 1: at anytime.
Speaker 3: No, seriously, thanks for for being so nice to us
Speaker 3: and that you were talking about being feeling seen, and
Speaker 3: you know, we've there's a lot of journalists we've met
Speaker 3: and a lot of our carpets we've done, and we
Speaker 3: just you also made us feel seen like humans and
Speaker 3: not just robots giving you haveline, So we really appreciate that.
Speaker 5: And the one thing I.
Speaker 4: Haven't mentioned that's still freaking me out. And I know
Speaker 4: I'm going to sound like your old uncle. The baby
Speaker 4: carriage behind you stroller. I still you.
Speaker 1: Were pregnant, that's right. I was very pregnant, and at
Speaker 1: that event, I said.
Speaker 3: This is the last thing I'm going to That's right,
Speaker 3: I said, I'm done after and she's never been seen again.
Speaker 4: And now she's in a basement.
Speaker 2: In the dark.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I know in a way you my kid, Like, I.
Speaker 5: Know, I'm like, what's that prop flar.
Speaker 1: Twenty three?
Speaker 2: Always, Mark, thank you for being so kind to us
Speaker 2: then and so kind to us now. You're always so
Speaker 2: supportive of anything we have. Yeah, we're doing outside of
Speaker 2: Glee to this day, So thank.
Speaker 3: You on your you know success.
Speaker 4: Let me know, make sure to break the news there's
Speaker 4: going to be a reboot or reunion or musical adaptation
Speaker 4: to Exclusive.
Speaker 1: Thanks Mark, Bye bye, Kevin.
Speaker 3: You know, I feel really grateful that we have really
Speaker 3: good people around us and good memories of this and
Speaker 3: in tandem with these people. Yeah, sorry to be so vague,
Speaker 3: but he's no. Mark is really a good human and
Speaker 3: we were very lucky to have him around during that time.
Speaker 2: And it makes a lot of sense too, you know
Speaker 2: now hearing his sort of like personal connection to the show,
Speaker 2: like when he first saw it and why he wanted
Speaker 2: to cover it, And you know, I think in part
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for someone like him who was so
Speaker 2: excited on that entertainment journalistic side of it. Who knows
Speaker 2: that the show would have been you know what it
Speaker 2: was because he cared and he covered it that way
Speaker 2: and it showed, and we were so thankful to get
Speaker 2: to see him so often. Thank you Mark for coming
Speaker 2: on the show. It really means a lot to us.
Speaker 2: We're going to obviously have to have him back because
Speaker 2: stories for days.
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