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Speaker 1: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's What You Really Missed podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jenna and I'm Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Still tell me about today.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you and I first talked about this, we

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Speaker 2: talked about the different doing the podcast, what kind of

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Speaker 2: guests we could have on the show right, and we

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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure we got the people from all

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Speaker 2: the different sides of this that were involved in it.

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Speaker 2: And one of the first things we thought of was

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Speaker 2: Mark malkoln Mark Malkin, who is entertainment journalist extraordinary and

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Speaker 2: at the time he was working for e He now

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Speaker 2: works for a variety and has always been there for

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Speaker 2: us on the carpet and off the carpet and is

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Speaker 2: one of just the sweetest, sweetest people you could ever

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Speaker 2: meet and has always been so encouraging and it's been

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Speaker 2: incredible to watch his career also just skyrocket and take off.

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Speaker 2: And he was one of those people on like the

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Speaker 2: very very first Red Carpets we ever done, like he's

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Speaker 2: he was our guy.

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Speaker 3: He was a familiar face on the Red Carpets too

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Speaker 3: when we would go and see him, and obviously.

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Speaker 1: We talk about all this, so we're just gonna let

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Speaker 1: you listen. But he really was.

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Speaker 3: It was very comforting to see him there at these

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Speaker 3: events that can feel so kind of you, kind of

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Speaker 3: like go on autopilot a little bit, and it was

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Speaker 3: nice to see like a friend and yeah, I'm really

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Speaker 3: excited for this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Enjoyed Mark Malkin, Mark Malcoln, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm getting emotional.

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Speaker 2: It is so good to see and hear you.

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Speaker 1: Are you?

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Speaker 4: You know, I like little hair on my arms standing

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Speaker 4: up and preparing for this, like, you know, doing google searches.

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Speaker 4: Mark Malkin, Glee, Youngline, and the stories that were coming

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Speaker 4: up that I forgot about.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I would, says Elton John if he wanted

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Speaker 5: to be on Glee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really, he said he wanted to, but no.

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Speaker 5: One asked him to.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we dropped the ball on that one.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember where on earth was I sitting

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Speaker 5: down with.

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Speaker 2: It was a weird time, Mark, it was a weird

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Speaker 2: time for all of us.

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Speaker 4: Do you know how many stories were blah blah blah,

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Speaker 4: would love to be on Glee, blah blah blah, love

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Speaker 4: to if anyone could sing, I asked him anyway, Sorry,

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 2: So when you thought about coming back to do this podcast,

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Speaker 2: a really important thing for us was to be able

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Speaker 2: to talk to people, yes, that worked on the show

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Speaker 2: every single day, but also the people who we saw

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Speaker 2: the most outside of that set, which the first person

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Speaker 2: we talked about, Jenna and I was you. Because almost

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Speaker 2: at every red carpet, especially the beginning, the person that

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Speaker 2: would be there and would be so nice to us

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Speaker 2: because none of us knew what the hell we were doing,

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Speaker 2: and we would have thoughtful, insightful questions that weren't just

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Speaker 2: the run of the mill, no offense to anybody else.

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Speaker 2: But and you have always been like that about yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I have to say, like, looking back as a

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Speaker 2: very closeted gay guy back then, seeing you on the

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Speaker 2: red carpet like would make me so excited because I

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Speaker 2: felt like, like I'm safe with him. I can like

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Speaker 2: I just want to hang out with him, to talk

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Speaker 2: to him. And so I'm not making this up. When

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Speaker 2: you were one of the very first names that we

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Speaker 2: talked about, like who we have to interview to have

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Speaker 2: on the show. So thank you for being here.

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Speaker 5: So this is you can come down here and get emotional,

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Speaker 5: like what is with your bob?

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Speaker 2: Definitely, No, this is definitely a bit of therapy. There's laughter,

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Speaker 2: there's crying, there's everything, all of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, what do you want to know?

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Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know it all.

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Speaker 3: But I want to know when you first Do you

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Speaker 3: remember when you first saw the pilot of the show.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I still.

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Speaker 4: Have the DVD on the pilot, which I think I

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Speaker 4: sent it Kevin because I think I found it on

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Speaker 4: my I posted it once on my Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Not that I have a DVD fire, but I mean,

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Speaker 4: and I remember Chris Alexander, who is the publicist. Maybe

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Speaker 4: an email back then, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yes, with the Dinosaur, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 5: I sat in my office.

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Speaker 4: I was at the News of the time online and

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Speaker 4: I sat in my office and I bawled watching it.

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Speaker 4: I was by myself, and I cried. I literally cried.

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Speaker 4: I kept watching Don't Stop Believing, over and oh, even

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Speaker 4: now before I got on with you guys, I listened

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Speaker 4: to it again, just hearing those first notes, and I

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Speaker 4: remember going to everyone at egoing this is this show

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Speaker 4: is going to be huge, you know, and then you know,

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Speaker 4: as a journalist, it's like it's going to be huge

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Speaker 4: just because I'm a gay guy and I love.

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Speaker 5: The excomater and clean. But I was, I know, this was.

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Speaker 4: You know, it was the life that I wanted to

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Speaker 4: live when I was in high school. And it was

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Speaker 4: you know, it's the cliche. We had never seen anything

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Speaker 4: anything like it. There was all these you know, new

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Speaker 5: Knew you know what. No, I didn't know anybody.

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Speaker 4: Why am I anybody was? No, I didn't, And I

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Speaker 4: was like, we've got to get on it. We've got

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Speaker 4: said earlier, then it was like I was going to

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Speaker 4: send visits before you guys even premiered. Yeah, which is

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Speaker 4: wild when I think, like I was like, especially when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we had we had the theater in Long Beache,

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Speaker 3: but no, you're right, it was.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, and sitting on the steps, and I remember

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Speaker 4: I mean, if I went through my storage, I have

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Speaker 4: the files Corey and everyone.

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Speaker 2: So when you would normally get sent DVDs of new

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Speaker 2: sure you got some things all the time by networks

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Speaker 2: network publicists doing their job. Here's the new thing we're premiering.

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Speaker 2: Like what is given to you? Are you instructed like this?

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Speaker 2: We're really behind this? Do they believe in everything you

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Speaker 2: get sent there like this is our new hottest thing,

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah, and you do with it

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Speaker 2: what you want? Or was this like another thing that

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Speaker 4: The buzz for Glee was starting way before we saw anything.

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Speaker 5: You know, Fox was on it.

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Speaker 4: They knew this was something special, so we were being

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Speaker 5: I was told about the show, but there was definitely like,

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Speaker 4: so the pilot, because then there would be like these

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Speaker 4: It'd be like embargoed and you couldn't talk about it,

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Speaker 5: Get you know, people talking about it. But yeah, I

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Speaker 4: I get especially now because there's so much content. You know,

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Speaker 4: people who will say something is the best thing, and

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say it, and I watched the show

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Speaker 4: and I was like, uh, And I was honest, I said, listen,

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Speaker 5: Can we wait till your client's next project, m because.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to do your client any

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Speaker 4: good for me to talk to them about a project

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Speaker 4: and no one's That's that's how the sausage.

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Speaker 1: Is made interesting, so interesting.

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Speaker 2: Wild because mad obviously we were not privy to all

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what what was amazing was that, you know,

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Speaker 4: so you know, that's still a story when actor of

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Speaker 6: It depends on the project, obviously, but that was such

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Speaker 4: Not an anti It wasn't an anti gig, but it

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Speaker 4: Oh, you should tune in because you guys are going

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Speaker 4: right box? Well that was that was also like I

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Speaker 5: I'm confused, right Box News and you know, but then

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Speaker 5: It's it's very different, but was owned by the same person.

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Speaker 5: So is he made money you guys made money for

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Speaker 2: There was a time when we all we were in

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Speaker 5: I remember, oh.

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Speaker 4: To go sing for freaking up Harvey, and.

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Speaker 5: hear you you love Glee. I want news. I want

444
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 5: to headline.

445
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to remember it. There was ever a

446
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: time where like I did.

447
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 5: End up butting heads.

448
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 4: With probably more like publicists than obviously you you know.

449
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 4: But the Corey situation was, you know, that was a

450
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 4: tough one.

451
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 5: You know, and I will you know, I remember the day.

452
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 4: I remember getting in bed and my husband, my then

453
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 4: husband at the time, uh, turning to me and said

454
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 4: Corey and he couldn't pronounced the last name. He's Corey,

455
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 4: the guy from Glee.

456
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 5: I was like, what like?

457
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 4: And you know, Corey, as you know, was so special.

458
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 4: And you know, I remember the first time I entered

459
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 4: your chore and he was using the language of recovery

460
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 4: and I was, I was in my recovery. I was,

461
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: I was struggling with my recovery. M I remember the

462
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 4: true and we never talked about his sobriety.

463
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: There's a language.

464
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hear someone talking and he talked to it.

465
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 4: And I remember just bonding with.

466
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 5: Him, you know, in that way. But no, it was

467
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 5: that was a tough cover story to cover, but you

468
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 5: know we.

469
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: Had to know and.

470
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: To do that makes sense, Yeah, but it is you know,

471
00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: it's fun for sure seeing a show blow up that you, yeah,

472
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: that you.

473
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 5: First got excited about.

474
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just you know, it's uh, just sort

475
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 4: of a comparison in a way was Jessica Chastain. I

476
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 4: didn't know who she was that she had to do

477
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 4: with Glee, but in the same vein I remember being

478
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 4: introduced to her. She was getting like the new Artist,

479
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: the New Newcomer Award at Elle Women in Hollywood.

480
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: She just shot The Help.

481
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: And a Tree of Life with pet No one knew

482
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 4: who she was at that point, and we bonded right away.

483
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 4: So I'm going to support, you know, and it's I've

484
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 4: got this great relationship with her. I never asked her

485
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 4: she wanted to be on Glee, but we've had this

486
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 4: great I did get her to do her singing debut,

487
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 4: though it was it was the Critics Choice Awards, and

488
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: it was my birthday and she's saying happy birthdays. Recently,

489
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 4: we have this ongoing thing where like every time we talked,

490
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 4: one of our sentences.

491
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: But you know, you I think it's a testament to

492
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: the type of person you are that it's not just us,

493
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: Sir Gisca Chastain. There's Brendan Frasier. There's lots of people

494
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: who you have, that's right, really great relationships with because fun, Yes,

495
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: you're fun, You're nice. Obviously you are a journalist. You're

496
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: trying to get the headlines, you're trying to get the story,

497
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: but you always do it, I think from a place

498
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: of compassion, where you know, when you're talking to people

499
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: on a red carpet, those who are like glazed over

500
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: and those who really care. You've always cared and you've

501
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: always I think that's also why, like look at where

502
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: you are now, Like you have this gigantic job and

503
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: you're everywhere with all the people all the time, because

504
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: you know, when good things happen to good people, it's

505
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: nice to see that.

506
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: But you know, it was you know in terms of

507
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: like are like you know, sort of like where I

508
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: got not sticky, but it was like I remember with

509
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: Chris called for you know, coming out of a closet,

510
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 4: you know, and that was that was the thing. And

511
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: I remember, you know, we were discussing, I'm like, does

512
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 4: he even know he is gay.

513
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 5: He's so young and Kevin, I'm trying to remember. I

514
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 5: think when I found out you were gay. I think

515
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 5: it was one of those like really may have been.

516
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 5: It's hard to be that now.

517
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: It's one of those things, you know, like I also

518
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: might have It was something that like I don't even

519
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: think I was consciously doing of when I was around

520
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: other gay guys, you like overcompensate, so you know, like

521
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: and so I'm wondering if I did that with you.

522
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: As much as I was always so excited to see you,

523
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: I wonder if I was also like over compensating and

524
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: some like hey, like I don't know. Maybe no, never,

525
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: never that how was that with Chris? Because when we

526
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: had Chris here there, you know, there was this there

527
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: was a like you say, sticky, a really sticky time

528
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: when we didn't when we first met him, we didn't

529
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: know whether he knew either about herself but what he

530
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: was feeling. And and when that did come out where

531
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: he sort of orchestrated the thing with Chelsea Handler, he

532
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: could sort of take the reins of the story himself. Yeah, what, Yeah,

533
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: did you notice like a marked difference bet with you

534
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: or like being able to interview him, or.

535
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Speaker 4: I will say it about every closeted celebrity. This is

536
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 4: how they are when they're closet, when they.

537
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 5: Come out there like that.

538
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm.

539
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 5: Everyone.

540
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 4: My big example of that it is Christmas Stewart m hm.

541
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 4: And you know I had a very similar relationship with her,

542
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 4: like Lee because of Twilight, so like Highlight was another

543
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: one of mine. But you know, she they don't look

544
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: you in the eye. They they like I'm talking about

545
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: like some foreigners or something. But like it's the you know,

546
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: and me being me, I'm a two dollars million you know. Uh,

547
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: so I was always out and I know for closeted celebrities,

548
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: and people have told me that they'd be scared to

549
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 4: talk to me one because if I found out two

550
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: let something slip, because.

551
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 5: I'll call people girl. I'll call a straight guys girl.

552
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: You know right, I'm a girler.

553
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: But so yeah, so Chris, you know it's part where

554
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: but also Chris, and the same thing with Chris so young.

555
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 5: So I you know when Glee started, you know who

556
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 5: he was. He was eighteen, you know right now, you

557
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 5: know when I was eighteen.

558
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: I mean I came out when I was eighteen, but

559
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: I was in college.

560
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 5: I wasn't on this humongous right right the show trying

561
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 5: to figure that out.

562
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 4: And I remember having conversations probably you know, whether it

563
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: was within his personal rep or reps at Fox, and

564
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: I remember being like, I don't think he like, we

565
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: haven't talked.

566
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 5: To him about it. You don't.

567
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 4: You don't say to someone who if they're not sure

568
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: about the sexuality, like are you sure of your sexuality yet? Like, right,

569
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 4: there was no one you know, he wasn't. Yeah, so,

570
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: but there's definitely the guard is down as soon as.

571
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 5: You're out, the guard down.

572
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: That makes sense.

573
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 5: Uh.

574
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: You moderated the pallet Fest with us.

575
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paley Fest. That was a big because I was

576
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 5: I was thirty six people.

577
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you prepare for a pallet Fest with

578
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: thirty six people on a panel?

579
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Like what do you choose to ask? Who do you

580
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: choose to? You know, how do you do that?

581
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 5: Listen?

582
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: Pale for the fans. So it's not you know, we're

583
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: not doing deep dives. And especially so when when it's

584
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: a lot of people on the panel, you have a question,

585
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 4: you have to direct it to a person if you

586
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: just open up, like Hey, who wants to answer this?

587
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: Half hour gone anywhere? A half hour is gone?

588
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also everyone I'm top of each other, so

589
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 4: you got to be like Corey, tell me about this.

590
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: And obviously I never got to Jenna tell me about this,

591
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 4: so I'm obviously still hurting about that.

592
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 5: I remember it.

593
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: Was now's your time. Now you can ask her anything.

594
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: You ask me anything. That's crazy.

595
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, and it's you know that Pales has been

596
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 4: circulating recently. Kind of forgot about it and you're like, oh,

597
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: I saw you.

598
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 5: You interviewed the.

599
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: Interesting huh, that's so funny. Interesting?

600
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: How is this you started sort of a relationship too

601
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: with Like maybe it's because you're a fan of like

602
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Murphy shows, but I feel like Ryan was always

603
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: really apt to give you sort of like the like

604
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: to be a part of this, like come join us.

605
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that again, I think that

606
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 4: was just like hey, I'm you know, supporting this from

607
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: day one, you know, is it a loyalty thing? But

608
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: like I said, I don't pretend I'm friendly with Ryan Murphy. Yeah,

609
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: I don't call him, I don't have his email nothing.

610
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: You know, and listen, if you're if you're a producer.

611
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 4: If you're a content creator, you're going to gravitate towards

612
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 4: people who are excited about, you know, what you're doing.

613
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's for me that man.

614
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 4: You know, I got exclusive that man, I got time

615
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: to talk to Ryan and other people didn't, uh talk

616
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: to the cat and other people did and so on

617
00:34:54,719 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: and so forth. So you know, it's uh my god, Wow,

618
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: it's it was yesterday, but it certainly was.

619
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 5: It certainly wasn't sure it wasn't it.

620
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: Was definitely, But we feel you, We feel you.

621
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: Like Matthew Morrison's Halloween.

622
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: Parties, Oh my god, was there a carpet for those?

623
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 5: You just go No, Matthew would always give me the

624
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 5: exclusive hilarious that it was like the one I like.

625
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: There are videos out there of me dressed as a

626
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: green witch interviewing Matthew Morrison, mean.

627
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 5: Dressed the first year.

628
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 4: I don't think we did an interview for the first

629
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: year I ran. It was my first Halloween with my

630
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: then future.

631
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 5: Husband.

632
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: We ran as clowns. We ran as clowns, and my

633
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: name and the best was I And I'm like, I'm

634
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 4: a Halloween person. I love the dress up of it all.

635
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 4: So we ran as clowns. I had a Mini Cooper

636
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 4: at the time which drive down some of our address

637
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 4: as a clown and.

638
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Perfect was amazing.

639
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 4: Wow.

640
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 5: And I remember.

641
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: Being a clown and the best you know, and I

642
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: like a Halloween customer, like you don't know who it is,

643
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 4: like you know if you can tell.

644
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: It's Mark, and that Mark Matthew Morrison Halloween parties.

645
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 7: My gosh, were you there? Were you there on the

646
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 7: last day of set? Did we have did we have

647
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 7: press there like for that? For the literal circus that

648
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 7: they threw up? No, No, there was okay, they let

649
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 7: me threw the circus.

650
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 2: Anyone was going to be there, it would have been marked.

651
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, because I think I was setting on my

652
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: shoes with.

653
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: Matthew Morrison exactly exactly.

654
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: Do you have any other like favorite, because you said

655
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: you were sort of like doing your research and looking back.

656
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: What else comes to mind when you think about that crazy,

657
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: crazy era, if you will.

658
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 4: I remember the first episode watching Dot Marie Jones mm hmm.

659
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: And I remember going to again Ility. I mean I

660
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: was for the whole time of.

661
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 5: The show, and I remember saying, we need to get

662
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 5: her in the office. I need to do an interview

663
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 5: with her. M I need to do an interview with.

664
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 4: Don I was assessed, that's what doct Mary Jones and

665
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: I did one of her first interviews. I was like,

666
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Speaker 4: come in the opposite a change.

667
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 5: All.

668
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 4: Great and just someone different and.

669
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what a joy to work with Ray Sunshine.

670
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 4: Just just see Jane Lynch. Was always so awesome to

671
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: see someone like Jane Lynch. She was older and getting

672
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 4: these flowers.

673
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: It was amazing cool.

674
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Darren Chris. To this day, I still

675
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 4: see him and I light up. Just where did I

676
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 4: just I just shot some video of Chris called for

677
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 4: actually and I got the po He was at the

678
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: Fatal Attraction premiere the other night.

679
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: I got to remember, that's right, I saw that they

680
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: were there.

681
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 4: I saw that video, or if I see Kevin and

682
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: the crowd and whatever from here we were at.

683
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 5: Recently, we were at Shrinking, Shrinking.

684
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: Shrinking, and I saw him talking to Harrison Ford and

685
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: I was behind him like a proud parent taking pictures

686
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 2: of him entering Harrison Ford, and I was like, oh

687
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: my god, look at you. I skipped the carpet, but

688
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: I was like, let me just take pictures of him

689
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: on the carpet.

690
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: Sacks on the carpet.

691
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: Now we literally only get snacks from people from celebrities.

692
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 4: My four bags, my four bags of gummy bears from random.

693
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 5: Lace crazier right there in the living room, Brandon.

694
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 4: But you're gonna eat them, right, I'm like, uh no,

695
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 4: these are collectibles now. Brain like time in Hollywood, you know,

696
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 4: I remember.

697
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 5: Like it was such like it was such moments of oh.

698
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: My god, grendath manchall is going to do the show,

699
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: Y Martin's going to do the show, and those were

700
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: like we couldn't like the people that Ryan was getting.

701
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, or catalogues of music that we were being offered.

702
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: You're like, who almost are you joking?

703
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 5: Right?

704
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 4: And it was like, you know what, people don't really

705
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 4: you know, the stories have eventually been done about.

706
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 5: It's like you can't just do a song, right, you

707
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 5: got to buy those songs.

708
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: You've gotta you know, you've got to negotiate for those

709
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 4: songs and just you know, but the fact that don't

710
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 4: stop believing still, I mean, it's one of the first

711
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: times to get in and that's that's the something that

712
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 4: I'll always associated with the show.

713
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the feeling Glee leaves you with like

714
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: to this day.

715
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: There was such a moment in time I remember being excited.

716
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 5: I it brings back.

717
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 4: It's definitely this moment of joy. But as someone in recovery,

718
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: I can't help but think of.

719
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 5: Cory mm hmmm, you know, and that.

720
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 4: You know, we know the show has you know, had

721
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: some you know, tragedy.

722
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 5: But when.

723
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: I think of Corey, because I think of our interaction,

724
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: you know, and you know, I'm not in no way

725
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 4: trying to equate my interaction with him the kind of

726
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: interactions you had with him, but I think of what

727
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: life ahead was that could have been mm hmm. And

728
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: because of the addiction, yeah, you know, and of what

729
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 4: his death did in terms of educating people, right, you know,

730
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 4: and showing you know, this is someone who everyone knew.

731
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: And I say, now, you know, we're on a podcast

732
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: and so I'm doing air quotes.

733
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 5: So I can't help but think of that.

734
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 4: But I also can't help but think of like all

735
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 4: the time I would try to get out of you, like, no,

736
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 4: what's next, what's kind of in the next season, what's

737
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: happening on the next episode.

738
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 5: Is there going to be a Glee Broadway show? Is

739
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 5: they going to be a Glee What are you going

740
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 5: to adapt Glee for? That's what you know. It was just.

741
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: It was never ending in right, yeah, you know, I

742
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 4: know we keep saying this, and I'm sure not the

743
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 4: only one who said this to you a Brazilian time.

744
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 4: It was just something, you know, it was for us

745
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: theater kids, you know, you know, and I was not

746
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: a theater kid when I was watching Lee. I was

747
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: a little older. But knowing that there were you know,

748
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: and we're using again it feels weird to say they

749
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: were queer kids watching the Lee because the time we

750
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 4: didn't even use the word queer, you know, but there

751
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: were you know, LGBT kids watching Glee who were the

752
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: same age, well the same age as your characters, who

753
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 4: were feeling who felt seen but me, you know, and

754
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: I was again at a certain age, I was feeling

755
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: seen where I hadn't felt seen before. To be able

756
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: to bring to cover that and then bring that more.

757
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 5: Even to these kids was just amazing. Was an amazing thing.

758
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: But like we said at the beginning of this, you know,

759
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: the whole gay thing is an interesting thing because it

760
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: was treated as it was so special. But does that

761
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 4: play into the taboo of it and not the so

762
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 4: called normality of it, right, And I know you know

763
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 4: the answer to that is like, can't wait for a

764
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 4: day when we don't have to ask like, what was

765
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: it like doing the gay kids? It was just like,

766
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 4: what was it like kissing you know insert actors? Yeah,

767
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 4: but I also know how important representation and visibility is

768
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: for a kid out there, So you know, and I

769
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: think I probably said that to you guys all the time,

770
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: like you're saving lives. You're saving lives with the show

771
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: because of you know, not just day. You know, someone

772
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 4: in a wheelchair, Asian black like Tino. You know, yeah,

773
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 4: people are being seen that had never been seen before

774
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 4: in such a mange. I mean, you were mainstream.

775
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 5: The lack of a.

776
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: Better term, Yeah, eight pm on Fox.

777
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: Straight on Fox, and you know the yeah, I mean

778
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 4: now I'm going to put my journalists cap on for

779
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 4: you guys. And it's even and you even remember.

780
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 5: The moment where you knew was turning.

781
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 4: Where it's like, oh shit, this is huge.

782
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: They're sort of and we said, I think, like Jen

783
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: and I have talked about this, but there were sort

784
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: of two moments, but I don't think this first one

785
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 2: when we went to Australia and the pilot had aired

786
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: here and in Australia, but when we went to Australia,

787
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: there were we went to two malls and there were

788
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: over a one thousand people at each spot and we're like,

789
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: that's crazy and weird and makes no sense.

790
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 3: It was like it was like chaos and we were

791
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: moved and it was a lot, and I think it

792
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: was the first time we were like, oh, our lives are

793
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: not going to be the same.

794
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: We didn't necessarily know. They're like, this is crazy, isn't it.

795
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 2: This is amazing. And then we went back to shooting.

796
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: We came back to the US and the show's doing

797
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: well and you're hearing about it your friends and your family.

798
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it was until like we

799
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 2: went on tour, we had to leave La Yea. Once

800
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: we left la even if it was to go back

801
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: to our families over the holidays or things like that,

802
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: when we were amongst other people that were not so

803
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: jaded as you know, Hollywood people.

804
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: Were used to seeing stars all the time.

805
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: Right now, you could feel it. Yeah, no matter where

806
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: we went the and there's a difference between people are

807
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: starstruck and when people feel they have some sort of

808
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: for lack of a better word, ownership or connection or

809
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 2: friendship with you because they've seen you. And we weren't

810
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: playing these unattainable characters. We were playing relatable characters. Yea,

811
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: and it's and Chris got the I think the other

812
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: bront of it. But people were very emotionally and physically

813
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: attached to us, and we could we experienced that firsthand,

814
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: I think, And yeah, I would say towards the end

815
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: of first season, when we could go out on tour

816
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: and meet people and see reactions that way, would.

817
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 4: You now turning the table the two of you, like

818
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 4: the two of you, would you like, let's say, whatever,

819
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 4: wherever you're going on tour, right your backstage you're waiting

820
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 4: to go on, you're hearing about that.

821
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 5: Would you look at each other and be like what, no? What?

822
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 5: Would this makes sense? No? No?

823
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: I it's a little bit of both.

824
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: Like before we went on stage, we'd all joke with

825
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: each other and we'd be in each other's ears because

826
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 3: we could all.

827
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: Hear each other.

828
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: And I think it was like almost a coping mechanism

829
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: to like to to bond with the people and to

830
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: feel like you're going through this with somebody without saying

831
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: it like we would. We would just act like normal kids, right,

832
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: we're acting like stupid goofy goofballs and be saying like,

833
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 3: you know, perverted girl and boy parts, you know, something

834
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: stupid like that. It was almost a coping mechanism to

835
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: be like, we're still normal, We're still this is still me,

836
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: right when people are screaming at you and they're screaming

837
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: Jenna and they're screaming Tina, and you have this like,

838
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: you know, mixed personality like and then you go out

839
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: after the tour and there would be gates and you'd

840
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: run and all the fans would be waiting and they'd

841
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: be like at the gates and you're like, we have

842
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: to go say hi. You can't just ignore that, right,

843
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: And then security guards would be like you cannot say hi.

844
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: We'd go say hi anyway. And there was one time

845
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: where a bunch of kids were like teen and Tina,

846
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: please SIGND my program and you'd have to try and

847
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 3: sign it through the gate because you have to get

848
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: your arms through, and of course you just want to

849
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: make these kids so happy, and you know, they'd scream

850
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: and one fan was like, her name is Jenna. She

851
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: yelled another one, and I was like, don't fight.

852
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 7: Let's not fight.

853
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: But that's like.

854
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: The attachment and like the things like we know you

855
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: and we we're going to protect you and we're going

856
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: to take care of you. Like that's the feeling that

857
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh wow, they like really care And

858
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 3: that to me was like these moments of like trying

859
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: to go through a hotel and like get through with

860
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: security and you're like, I'm still like person with you know,

861
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: free agency to move around, right, You're like trying to

862
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: find that freedom and that independence that you have. But

863
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: then on the other side of it, feeling like, oh

864
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: my god, this is the craziest and coolest thing ever

865
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: and like I don't know that. I mean hindsight, right,

866
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: You're like that doesn't last forever. Like I can walk

867
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: down the street now, great, cool, you know, but there's

868
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 3: something about it and you're like, wow, this is.

869
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: This is this is crazy? Is this real life?

870
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 5: Kevin? Were you Yeah, I'm coming there turning the table

871
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 5: and I know I didn't.

872
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 4: Talk about this, but you know, one thing to tell

873
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 4: your listeners, you know what Kevin was really amazing was

874
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 4: when Kevin came out publicly. You must have done You

875
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 4: must have done it in a social media post that

876
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: I seen, right, I like as Twitter, Yeah right, and

877
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 4: I sent him and we hadn't spoken, you hadn't seen

878
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 4: each other in.

879
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 5: A while, and I was I had left me and.

880
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 4: I was trying to like launch this thing. It's so

881
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: weird to think about a Facebook live show in my

882
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 4: living room on my couch and I remember sending you

883
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 4: a message, probably on Twitter or yeah, because I don't

884
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 4: know no Instagram is run send me your messing. Hey,

885
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 4: I saw it to did Where did you come on

886
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 4: this show that is not even a show now?

887
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 5: Talk about it?

888
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: And Kevin drove to my house at the time in

889
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 4: Sherman Thoko by himself, came up by driveway, got on

890
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 4: my orange couch.

891
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, the story took off.

892
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 4: I mean it was like it was the first time Kevin,

893
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: I'm talking about you like you're not here. I'm just

894
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: talking about job that Kevin talked to death about his journey.

895
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 5: Right.

896
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 4: So my question for you is, when all of that

897
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: was happening, were you scared that someone who's going to

898
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 4: scream out you're gay. I know you're getting that you're

899
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 4: going to be outed that that something, how much that

900
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 4: sort of weigh on you.

901
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: There were a couple of times, yes, Naya was really

902
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: she didn't understand why I wasn't being public because she

903
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: was like, someone's gonna say something. She's like, you're messy.

904
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: She's like, somebody's going to say something like why don't

905
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: you want to get ahead of it like that? And

906
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, she was much more media savvy than I was,

907
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, who cares, No one cares about me, Like,

908
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm not that messy. I was in a long term relationship,

909
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: even though he was in Brazil, like as we talked about,

910
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: you know, for a billion years, and I wasn't really concerned.

911
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking outside of myself really. Obviously, to an extent,

912
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: I was because I wasn't being open, right, but I

913
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily calculating how this was going to turn out.

914
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 2: And to an extent, I think I was right because

915
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: no one really did notice or care, because it's like

916
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: there's a difference between I wasn't Kurt or Blaine, you know,

917
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't playing a character that was drawing that much

918
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 2: attention in that way, right, And so I could sort

919
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: of just coast, and I was enjoying not having that

920
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: attention because I saw how hard that was for Chris.

921
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: And it was sort of like, I'm doing this the easy,

922
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: cowardly way, and I may be okay with that for now.

923
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: And and I think I'm also like it was sort

924
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: of old school, where like, well you can't come out

925
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: and then still work, you know, Like that was just

926
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: that was so ingrained in me that I didn't even

927
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: think that was a problem. I was like, oh, you know,

928
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: that's just so. I There were absolutely times where I

929
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: was concerned that someone was going to say something, for sure.

930
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 5: But did you have did you have conversations with Ryan

931
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 5: about it?

932
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: I did. There was a time our first I think

933
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: it was our first refference in New York, and we

934
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: all went out and it was like a success, and

935
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: we all was it the end of the first season

936
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 2: towards or the middle of the first season, I think,

937
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 2: and we got we were a little under the influence,

938
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: and I just sort of came clean to everyone, all

939
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: the higher ups because Jenna knew, Amber new, Chris knew,

940
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: you know, like my people knew, and Ryan and the

941
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: Dantes and Brad and all them were like the Scary Bosses.

942
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: I was like, well, here you got another homo in

943
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: the cast. There's a lot of us, and they're like,

944
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: oh okay, and obviously did not bat an eye. I

945
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: don't think they were shocked one percent, but they never

946
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: really Dante, who was one of the executi producers, he

947
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: was definitely more than Naya train of like just say it,

948
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: just do it, like why are you living the secret

949
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: double life? And I didn't think about it in that way.

950
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: But he was also the one to start opening up

951
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: the floor to being like, well, you know, it's like

952
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: a tales oldest time in the gay world, like you're

953
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: fetishizing the secrecy and all that, and I was like

954
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: what And so I did not understand any of that

955
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: at the time, but yeah, there was people, you know,

956
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 2: Ni and Amber and Chris and Jenna were all sort

957
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 2: of looking out for me. So you know, I don't

958
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: looking back like I think what I said to you

959
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 2: as well, Mark is like sure, I definitely absolutely should

960
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: have wish I did.

961
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, not at all.

962
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: But also to that time when you when you reached

963
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 2: out to me about that, I remember texting my publicist

964
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: being like I'm doing this like I wasn't should I

965
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: do this? Like it's Mark? And I never thought again

966
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: with not planning things because I didn't plan like the

967
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: tweet of making it some sort of setting up some

968
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: interview or yeah, And I was like, no, if there's

969
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: anybody I would ever like talk to about this, it

970
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: would be Mark.

971
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 4: And to this day, every time that a story that

972
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 4: has something told Kevin Mcow comes up.

973
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 5: It's always like.

974
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: Live yea.

975
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 4: If I'm remembering correctly, were there paparazzi shots of the

976
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 4: two of you and then.

977
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 5: People were thinking you were dating?

978
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: Yes at the beach.

979
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 5: You were at the beach.

980
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 3: Yes, we're in control of that. Yeah, we did that

981
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: on purpose. We just didn't think it would get to

982
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: the US. We were in Monaco at the time, so

983
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: we thought whatever.

984
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 5: How I remember beach paparazzih.

985
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: That's good because it's the most famous we've ever been.

986
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, peaked. It was everywhere, it was, truly. It was

987
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: very strange.

988
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: News all the time, and we were like great.

989
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 4: And I'm trying to remember if when I saw those shots,

990
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 4: whether I was like girl or I just thought or

991
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: I didn't know, right, I may honestly, like I said,

992
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 4: I may not know, but I remember those beach shots.

993
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: Right, good memory. That is a good memory.

994
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: You got to go back to Monaco gladly anytime.

995
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: Call it, call me Jenna cheating on husband Kevin Mgale,

996
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: be like yeah.

997
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: For sure with each other. So it's fine, works out,

998
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: It makes sense.

999
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 3: Mark, It's been amazing to have your Thanks for taking

1000
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: the time, and we really really appreciate it and.

1001
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: Happy to have you back because we could just keep going.

1002
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: Part two, I do.

1003
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 4: I have to do some more Google searching and really

1004
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 4: sort of go down that rabbit hole.

1005
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: Let us know when you're ready. We'll have you back

1006
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: at anytime.

1007
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: No, seriously, thanks for for being so nice to us

1008
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: and that you were talking about being feeling seen, and

1009
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 3: you know, we've there's a lot of journalists we've met

1010
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: and a lot of our carpets we've done, and we

1011
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: just you also made us feel seen like humans and

1012
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: not just robots giving you haveline, So we really appreciate that.

1013
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 5: And the one thing I.

1014
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 4: Haven't mentioned that's still freaking me out. And I know

1015
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 4: I'm going to sound like your old uncle. The baby

1016
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 4: carriage behind you stroller. I still you.

1017
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: Were pregnant, that's right. I was very pregnant, and at

1018
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: that event, I said.

1019
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: This is the last thing I'm going to That's right,

1020
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: I said, I'm done after and she's never been seen again.

1021
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 4: And now she's in a basement.

1022
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: In the dark.

1023
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I know in a way you my kid, Like, I.

1024
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 5: Know, I'm like, what's that prop flar.

1025
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: Twenty three?

1026
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 2: Always, Mark, thank you for being so kind to us

1027
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: then and so kind to us now. You're always so

1028
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: supportive of anything we have. Yeah, we're doing outside of

1029
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: Glee to this day, So thank.

1030
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: You on your you know success.

1031
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 4: Let me know, make sure to break the news there's

1032
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 4: going to be a reboot or reunion or musical adaptation

1033
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: to Exclusive.

1034
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: Thanks Mark, Bye bye, Kevin.

1035
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 3: You know, I feel really grateful that we have really

1036
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: good people around us and good memories of this and

1037
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 3: in tandem with these people. Yeah, sorry to be so vague,

1038
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 3: but he's no. Mark is really a good human and

1039
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: we were very lucky to have him around during that time.

1040
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: And it makes a lot of sense too, you know

1041
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: now hearing his sort of like personal connection to the show,

1042
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: like when he first saw it and why he wanted

1043
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: to cover it, And you know, I think in part

1044
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for someone like him who was so

1045
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: excited on that entertainment journalistic side of it. Who knows

1046
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: that the show would have been you know what it

1047
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: was because he cared and he covered it that way

1048
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: and it showed, and we were so thankful to get

1049
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: to see him so often. Thank you Mark for coming

1050
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: on the show. It really means a lot to us.

1051
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: We're going to obviously have to have him back because

1052
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: stories for days.

1053
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: That's right, and that's what you're really missed.

1054
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: See you next time. Thanks for listening and follow us

1055
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 2: on Instagram at and that's what you really miss pod.

1056
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: Make sure to write us a review and leave us

1057
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: five stars. See you next time.