1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. They really have a quarterback controversy in Philadelphia, 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: which is where we start with Peter King from Good 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Morning Football, Football Morning in America. I'm gonna get it right, Pete. 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: I've got Good Morning Football, Football Morning in America, Monday 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Morning Football. I apologize Football Morning. The problem? Hey, Dan, listen, 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: don't I don't think the Eagles have a quarterback controversy? 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: What's the controversy? Play? Jalen hurts seriously? Okay, I thought 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: that was the funniest thing of the weekend when Doug 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: Peterson said after the game and again this morning on 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: wip OH, I really haven't decided or I haven't made 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: up my mind. Do let me tell you something. You're 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: not going You're not going to be allowed on the 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: team plane to Phoenix on Saturday if you say that 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is your quarterback Sunday in Glendale, Arizona. Here 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: is Doug Peterson and he won't commit to who his 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: starter is? Is your starter next week? And if so, 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: what will a challenge be? You know now that more 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: tape is out on him. I'm gonna enjoy this one. 20 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home and relax and be with my 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: family tonight and enjoy this win and get riddy for 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: the week. You know, you have all this momentum, You're 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: feeling good. I don't know. Maybe this is gamesmanship Pete. 24 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't want to let Arizona know that they 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: might have to get ready for a running quarterback. Dan 26 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Arizona knows. Arizona knows Jalen Hurts is playing. It's just 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: that everybody in the Philadelphia Eagles organization, players, coaches are 28 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: walking on eggshells with Carson Wentz. I mean, seriously, if 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm Carson Wentz today, you can't go in the facility. 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: But I'll do a phone call with because Monday and 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: Tuesday facilities are closed around the league. But I do 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: a phone call with Doug Peterson and said, you know, 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: stop being manily concerned with my feelings. I'm not a 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: pane of glass. I understand this guy played great. You 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: got to play him good. Let's go and win. And 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: I don't know whether he's going to do that or 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: whether he would do that, But the rest of this, 38 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. There was such This is the biggest 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: win this team has had in a year, and it 40 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: was almost like they tied. I mean, where was the 41 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: emotion and yeah, yeah, baby, we're back in it. If 42 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: we win this week in Washington loses, we're a half 43 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: game out of first place, and Washington's coming to our 44 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: place in week seventeen. Hey, look, they're trying to be 45 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: respectful to Carson Wentz. I appreciate that, but you know, 46 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: it's you got to play this kid the rest of 47 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: the way and see what you have. What kind of 48 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: trade market is there will there be for Carson Wentz. 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: I think I will be surprised if the Indianapolis Colts 50 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: are not interested in him. And to what degree, I 51 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: don't know. It's hard for me to say what his 52 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: value would be. Would it be a low one, would 53 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: it be two twos? I don't know. You know, in 54 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback business Dan, and again I am not comparing 55 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: him at all the Josh Rosen. But Josh Rosen was 56 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: drafted number ten one year and then he was traded 57 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: for the forty fifth pick eleven months later. You know. 58 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: So it's like the new car you drive it off 59 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: the lot, it loses twenty percent of its value. So 60 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. But the most important thing if I'm 61 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, if at the end of this year, I 62 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: realize that it's over in Philly, and if I'm him, 63 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: I'm probably hoping that it is, because it's just it's 64 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: going to be too hard. But whatever. If at the 65 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: end of the year that it appears that it's over, 66 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: if I'm Carson Wentz, particularly when the cap is most 67 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: likely going down significantly, and if it isn't it's certainly 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: not going up, I would be as good as I 69 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: could to the acquiring team and to the Eagles to 70 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: try to make it happen. He's Peter King. Football Morning 71 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: in America. It's must read every Monday morning, recapping what 72 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: happened over the weekend in the NFL. Watching the Steelers 73 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: last night, I was not surprised what I saw with Buffalo, 74 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: but I'm starting to have more and more questions about 75 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: a team that only has two losses this year. If 76 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: you were going to describe the Steelers to somebody who 77 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: didn't watch them last night, how would you describe them? 78 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to be cliche, but quite honestly, 79 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: peaked too soon. Okay, and Dan, people are talking about 80 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: this running game, Well, they got to get the running 81 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: game going. Dan over the last two months, this team 82 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: is rushed for fifty four yards per game. That's not 83 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: two weeks, that's seven games. And so this is not 84 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: something you know, I saw that and I assume it's true. 85 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: But I heard it on one of the shows over 86 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: the weekend that Mike Tomlin put his team in pads 87 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: on Friday, and now he's getting serious. They're gonna get 88 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: the running game going. I mean, good for Tomlin for 89 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: doing that, really honestly, but you know, it's going to 90 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: take more than the show of putting his team in 91 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: pads to become a good running team. They're not a 92 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: good running team. And that really exposes the most interesting 93 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: thing that that Ben Roethlisberger said in what I thought 94 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: was a very honest postgame press conference. He said, we 95 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: need to be to do better at being a more 96 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: balanced offense. Defense plays pass if you can't run the ball. Okay, 97 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: So you combine that with the leading team in the 98 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: NFL in drops and tell me what can the Steelers 99 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: do well on offense? Now, you simply cannot ask your 100 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: defense to hold teams to the level of the seventy 101 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: six Steelers to say, okay, you've got to hold everybody 102 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: to twelve points a game or whatever that was. It 103 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: was absurd that year. But you can't do that in 104 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: modern football. And so that's why this is not in 105 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: my opinion, it's not just the slump with the Steelers. Look, 106 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: they're lucky they go to Cincinnati on Sunday, they'll get 107 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: a little bit well, but the fact is this team 108 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: has to play the Colts in week sixteen and has 109 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: to play in Cleveland in week seventeen, in a game 110 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: they might need. As absurd as it is, they have 111 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: gone from a ninety eight percent chance in seven days 112 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: a ninety eight percent chance to win their division too. 113 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: If Cleveland wins tonight, it's an eighty one percent chance. 114 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: Also factoring in with that defense losing Devin Bush and 115 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: Bud Dupree, so it was a formidable defense, but you're 116 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: losing two of their three biggest impact players or two 117 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: of their four the game tonight. You mentioned the Ravens 118 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: and the Browns. How big a game is this? Well, 119 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, look, the crazy thing is, even 120 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: though you don't want it to happen, the Browns can 121 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: afford to lose this game, and there's still probably going 122 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: to be a wildcard team. But this is as close 123 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: to a musk game as you can get for Baltimore. 124 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: If Baltimore wants to make the playoffs. Now Baltimore could 125 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: lose and win the last two games and probably get in. 126 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: But still the Ravens just have to start playing well, Dan, 127 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they have been so disjointed all year. This 128 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: is a game for the Baltimore Ravens about playing well 129 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: and getting momentum if they want to make anything their season. 130 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: With what we've seen with Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, 131 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: they're just sort of hanging around, hanging around, and I 132 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: think they're unbelievable. Yeah, I really do. I And look, 133 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't mean to interrupt your question, but 134 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: the more I think of what we're seeing in the Packers, So, Dan, 135 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: I had an item in my column this morning about how, 136 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, I was like so many people this offseason, 137 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: all right, and I said, Okay, the Packers are not 138 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: going thirteen and three again. You know, They're just they've 139 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: got too many flaws and they didn't do a thing 140 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: about their receiver position. And I'm not saying I thought 141 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: they were a flute glass year. I didn't, but I 142 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: just thought they would come down to earth a little bit. 143 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: So now they're on track to have the exact same 144 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: record as last year. And here's the amazing thing that 145 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: I wrote my column that if you look at since 146 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Matt Lafloor walked onto campus in green Bay regular season 147 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: and postseason best records in football Andy Reid twenty seven 148 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: and five, Matt Lafleur twenty four and seven, he's second. 149 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: And so I mean, what we're seeing now is a program. 150 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: And as long as Aaron Rodgers is there, he's just 151 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: the magic man. And as long as Aaron Rodgers is there, 152 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: I think that he and Matt Lafleur have potential to 153 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: make beautiful music. And I think Aaron Rodgers after the 154 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: game last night, Dan, I thought he said something really 155 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: smart that I didn't even realize. I didn't know that 156 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: since he's been there, they've never had home field through 157 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they really want that. Fans are no fans. 158 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: They want teams coming in to Green Bay on January 159 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: seventeenth and on January twenty fourth. In fact, I think 160 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: they would love it if it was a primetime game 161 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: on that divisional weekend, just so that it would be 162 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: colder and hopefully the win be blowing sideways. Well. Also, 163 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: you want to get a warm weather team, Tampa, maybe 164 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: on the road, the Saints, a dome team, get them 165 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: on the road as well. If Arizona, you know whoever 166 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: it might be, who's going to go there. And I 167 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: know we love to do a referendum every Monday on MVP. 168 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: And as much as I've said it was Patrick Mahomes, 169 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: Mahomes looked mortal yesterday and I still go back and 170 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: I still believe it, there's nobody who's made the position 171 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: look easier than Aaron Rodgers to me, in the history 172 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: of the game. He can make it look easier than anybody. 173 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he's the MVP, but it feels like, 174 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's starting to lean a little bit more 175 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: that way with what you've seen with Aaron Rodgers. If 176 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: you were voting like the criteria you would have for MVP, 177 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: is what Pete. I think it's the guy who is 178 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: most invaluable to his team. That's what I think it is. 179 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: That's what the most valuable a player says to me. 180 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: And hey, Dan, I'll you know, I've thought about this 181 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: a lot and I thought about it for a good 182 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes last night. I sat in my office around 183 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: one in the morning, and I really just thought, what 184 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: did I want to say about the MVP this morning, 185 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: because we're getting to the point where you're going to 186 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: have to make a decision three weeks from now, and 187 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: I wrote, I think the MVP is pretty close to 188 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: a Mahomes Rogers toss up, and that's how I see it. 189 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: I think it's it's the MVP is going to be 190 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: one in the last three weeks of the season. Yeah, 191 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: it's it's. I don't think you can go wrong with 192 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: either one of those guys. I was also wondering about 193 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. I mean, t J. Watt 194 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: could win it, but the most valuable defensive player in 195 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: the game is Aaron Donald. No, Aaron Donald and the 196 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: other guy. I'll tell you what Dan that And I look, 197 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: I'd have a better argument for this if Miami won 198 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: the game, but they didn't. But Xavian Howard is playing 199 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: the position of cornerback the way Stefan Gilmour played it 200 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: last year, and Gilmore one Defensive Player of the Year 201 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: last year. Now I am with you. I think one 202 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: of the most amazing things about Aaron Donald is most 203 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: of the time he's an interior defensive lineman, getting stuck 204 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: in traffic, having a having a cluttered path to the 205 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: quarterback at all times. Dan, in the last forty five games, 206 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: he's got forty five and a half sacks. I mean, 207 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: that just doesn't happen. But how many people have you 208 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: covered Pete where I said he disrupts an entire offense. 209 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: T J Watt, I have to account for him. Yeah, 210 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean JJ at his peak was great. But you know, 211 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: I go back to Lawrence Taylor. I don't know JJ Watt. 212 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, Dan, jj Watt and Aaron Donald 213 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: are similarly disruptive. I am. I'm not going to sit 214 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: here and say Aaron Donald's better than JJ Watted is prime. 215 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: I mean, in his prime he had some of the 216 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: greatest games the defensive player has ever had. So and again, 217 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: if Aaron Donald does it longer then JJ Watt did, 218 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: then I'll take my hat off to him. But think 219 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: of this, then this is this. The Defensive Player of 220 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: the Year award is fifty years old this year. Okay, 221 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: no one has ever won it more than three times. 222 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor won it three times. JJ Watt won it 223 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: three times. Aaron Donald. If he wins this year, that 224 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: would be his third win. He'd be twenty nine years 225 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: old after seven years in the NFL. I think that. 226 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you go to Vegas and bet, 227 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: what are the odds he's going to win a fourth one? 228 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Put me on the over under side. I'll take more 229 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: than three. Let's just say that. We asked this last week. 230 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: I think PAULI or mclovin brought it up that if 231 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: you could start your defense with any player in history, 232 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: and and I just said, Lawrence Taylor was something I 233 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: had never seen. I still haven't seen Lawrence Taylor. Uh 234 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: like somebody who can emulate what he does. You know, 235 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: me and Joe Green and Reggie White, and you know, 236 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: we can go down the list of Dion was wonderful. 237 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor. I saw fear. I saw fear on a 238 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: football field when Lawrence Taylor was going into sack Ken 239 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: O'Brien in a preseason game. I truly saw fear. I 240 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: would start with Lawrence Taylor. Who would be your pick? 241 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: I'll tell you Lawrence Taylor. I would I would have 242 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: a nod to Deacon Jones. But that was that was 243 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: a different time, a different era. The head slap, the 244 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: all the other stuff you could do way back when 245 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: Um Dick Butkis is a middle linebacker, had eighteen sacks 246 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: in a season. He was unbelievably good. But I think 247 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: in today's game, I would take the interior disruptor. Oh 248 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: and because I think the interior disruptor is so much 249 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: harder to find than anybody else. Even though I agree 250 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: with you, hey Dan, the great thing about Lawrence Taylor, 251 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: in my opinion, is that when he was hurt, he 252 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: would do things. I saw him play with a tarn pectoral, 253 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: which is impossible with his arm wrapped up, you know, 254 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: on his chest like with a huge ace bandage. And 255 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: I saw him batter to New Orleans Saints in the 256 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: Superdome one night. He look this guy, This guy was 257 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: just not normal, and I have great admiration for him. 258 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: That's a tough question. I'd have to think about it, 259 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: but I think i'd take the internal disruptor, like an 260 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Great stuff. As always, Pete, the columns must 261 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: read it's Monday morning, quarterback. You did it again. You 262 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: did it again. But that's okay, Dan, I love you, 263 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: and hey, Monday Morning Quarterback is where it all began, 264 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: and I did it for twenty one years and it 265 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: was the great time of my life. It still is, 266 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: but Football Morning in America and Dan, one last thing, Yes, 267 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: I do want to tell you, please take five minutes 268 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: today to read the section of my column about contact 269 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: tracing and how I believe anyway, it's kind of saving 270 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: the NFL season. NBC Sports dot Com Football Morning in America. 271 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. Pete's always okay. All the best, Dan, take care. 272 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be 273 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine to 274 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 275 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at 276 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot Com, or stream us live every 277 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R, 278 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock Act. I don't 279 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: know if most people know South Palestonio served five years 280 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: in the United States Navy from nineteen seventy eight to 281 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, and I was talking about Army Navy here, Sam. 282 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: I am so patriotic when I like that atmosphere is 283 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: just wonderful. Did you ever attend Army Navy game many 284 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: times in Philadelphia at Lincoln Financial Field. I was there. 285 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: I was there with the Secretary of Defense and my wife. 286 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: We hung out with his wife and family at the 287 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: fifty yard line. It's a it's a it's a it's 288 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: a great, great event. It's great fun. But I'll just 289 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: say this, and I love Navy, obviously root for Navy. 290 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: Navy needs to take a time out, a double reverse 291 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: that results in a safety. Dan, let's go chase some 292 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: submarines for a while or do something. Come on, you 293 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: were awarded the Service Medal, I believe, is that right 294 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one, so supervising the rescue of Vietnamese 295 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: refugees in the South China Sea. Explain the award and 296 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: what happened. It's the United Nations Meritorious Service Award given 297 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: to me and my ship mates on the Ussolette and 298 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: we were in the South China Sea. In our mission 299 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: was to find Vietnamese refugees that were being preyed upon 300 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: by pirates at sea. Pirates would have board their boats 301 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: and take them and forced them into servitude on the 302 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: high sea. So we rescued them, many of them, many 303 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: hundreds of them, and brought them to the United Nations 304 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: Refugee Center in Singapore. We ferried them from the South 305 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: China Sea back and forth. It was a huge mission. 306 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: I was a part of it, helped supervise it on 307 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: my ship, and every one of us on the ship 308 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: was awarded that medal. Many of us were ever getting nervous. No, 309 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you're trained at sea to be underway, 310 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: and no, never did you know. And as an officer, 311 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: so I was a surface warfare officer. So I was 312 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: an officer of the deck underway Indian Ocean, Pacific, South Pacific. 313 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: It's a it was a It was a fabulous experience 314 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: to be among great, great men and women in the 315 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: American Armed Forces for five years, to serve alongside them, 316 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: be part of a peacekeeping missions. I was lucky, Dan 317 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: and I never served during wartime. That's that's the goal 318 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: of anybody who serves in the military is to serve 319 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: during peacetime. And I was one of the lucky ones 320 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: for sure. And then you come back and then all 321 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden, how do you get into the media 322 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: after being in the military. I had already had a 323 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: master's degree in journalism from NYU. When I joined the military, 324 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: I joined the military because it was a family tradition. 325 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: My uncle Tony, who was my godfather, was in submarine 326 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: service in the North Sea during World War Two. My 327 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: uncle Sal who I'm named after, was a marine in 328 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: the Korean War. So all of my dad's brothers and 329 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: my mom's brother served in either the Navy Army or 330 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: the Marine Corps. My dad, however, did not serve because, 331 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: God rest his soul, he was four ft because he 332 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: had cataracts at birth, and so it was it was 333 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: a sad situation for him. He really wanted to serve, 334 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: and so it really was up to me as his 335 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: oldest son. And you know, I joined at the height 336 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: of the anti Vietnam War effort, so it was not 337 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: in vogue to come out of college and go join 338 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 1: the service. But that's what I did. I had an 339 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: uncle who lied, and he joined the army at sixteen 340 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: and which war he was in? The Korean War. Yeah, 341 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: the Korean War was no joke and he was in battle. 342 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean it affected him the rest of his life. 343 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: He got frost bit and he would always have white 344 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: socks on every time I would see him and like, 345 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: I can't imagine the horrors of war at any age. 346 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: And he was sixteen. He lied to get into the 347 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: army and he saw a lot of battle, a lot 348 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: of stuff, and we were never allowed to bring it 349 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: up too, right, So he survived and had a whole 350 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: life after that day. Not a long life, but he 351 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: had a life after that. But yeah, he was in 352 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: one of the bloody, bloodier battles. What was his name, 353 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: what was his name? Last name was Miller, Tom Miller. Yeah, 354 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: but my father in law served in the Marine Corps 355 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: in Korea and was in the last great amphibious assault 356 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: of the US military at Incheon and survived that assault. 357 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: And we were never allowed to talk to him about it. Yeah, 358 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: all right, I got sidetracked there. But the ESPN national 359 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: correspondent primarily covering the NFL NFL matchup post, and I 360 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: don't know what to make of what Doug Peterson said 361 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: after yesterday's win here. So can you interpret what Doug 362 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: Peterson is saying about who is going to be a 363 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: starting quarterback next week against Arizona? I think it's difficult 364 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: to interpret. But one of the things that I learned 365 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: very early on as a reporter, and I learned it 366 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: from some of my mentors, is don't pay attention to 367 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: what coaches say. Coaches lie all the time, pay attention 368 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: to what they do, and so I don't put a 369 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: lot of stock in press conferences. Press conferences are good 370 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: for copy and you know, talk shows and all that stuff. 371 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: That's all good, And of course we want to pay 372 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: attention to what they say, and they sometimes create controversy, 373 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, pay attention to 374 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: what happened in the game and the decision that was made. 375 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, whether and I saw what Peter 376 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: King said to you about the fact that everybody's walking 377 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: on eggshells because of Carson Wentz, I think this part 378 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: that's partly true. I think. And I love Carson Wentz 379 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: and everybody in that building does. And Carson Wentz is 380 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: a tough guy and a hard worker and a good teammate. 381 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: You'll never hear me say a bad word about him. 382 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: But I said three weeks ago it was time for 383 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: him to get benched, like Donovan mcdabb did in two 384 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: thousand and eight. A little time out. Now, Kevin Cobb 385 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: came in and of course did not display any kind 386 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: of talent worthy of keeping him in the obvious big 387 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: gamble here is Jalen Hurts would do what Jalen Hurts 388 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: did yesterday. And let's be clear about something. Let's be 389 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: very clear about something. Jalen Hurts won the game. The 390 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: reason why the Eagles won the game was because Jalen Hurts. 391 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: I want you to look. You look at the roster 392 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: and the darting lineup of the Saints. Kamara Sanders, Cook, 393 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, this young man Trey Kwan Smith. You go 394 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, Cameron Jordan k Kwan, 395 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: Alexander de Marius Davis, Genor's Jenkins, Malcolm Jenkins, Marshawn Lattimore. 396 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: Just to name a half a dozen on each side 397 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: of the ball, Dan, name one Philadelphia Eagle that starts 398 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: on that New Orleans Saints team. Give me one. I don't. 399 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: I can't come up with one. Maybe Jalen Hurts over 400 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: Taysom Hill. Well maybe maybe might be about it. So, 401 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're looking for a reason why the 402 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: Eagles won the game, it's because of the performance of 403 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. And you know the biggest thing that's out 404 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: there now, is that the offensive line performed better for 405 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurtston. Well, come on, you know the Eagles were 406 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: number one in sacks and Jalen Hurts was not sacked 407 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: yesterday in the game, and our stats department just put 408 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: this out moments ago. Jalen Hurts was pressured fourteen times 409 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: on Sunday. Of those dan the Eagles gained eighty two 410 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: yards on those plays and he took no negative plays 411 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 1: on the fourteen pressures. How much does management have to 412 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: see of Jalen Hurts before they realize what they have 413 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: one way or another. No one has said for management 414 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: what they think at this point. We're gonna find out 415 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: basically when they take action on Hurts and or Carson Wentz. 416 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: But this idea that you're going to just trade Carson Wentz, 417 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: I realize it's a good poll to have, But I mean, 418 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, Frank Reik is not a stupid man. Chris 419 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 1: Ballard is not a stupid man. The Indianapolis culture a 420 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: well run organization. They've turned He's turned that organization around. 421 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: He loses Andrew Luck goes through one quarterback, they get 422 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers and Wallah, they don't have A. They don't 423 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: have a weakness on that Colts team right now that 424 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: I can see. So they're not dumb. They realize that 425 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: the better Hurts plays, the less value Wentz has. We 426 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: can establish that, right, that's obvious. Yea, yeah, so that 427 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: may be part of the reason why their play acting 428 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: by not pumping up Jalen Hurts's performance. That means, but 429 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: come on, who's zoom and who here? Let's keep it real. 430 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: Everybody can see what's going on. You plug in the tape. 431 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: You know that Jalen Hurts look like everybody else was 432 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: standing still at times yesterday, Yeah, he lifted like you 433 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: could tell. Even at the latter part of the Green 434 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: Bay game, I saw something like it was tangible there 435 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: of a team that was like whoa, wait a minute here, 436 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: and then it carried over against you could say, the 437 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: best defense certainly in the NFC with the Saints. You know, 438 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: that's what was impressive that got my attention that this 439 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: wasn't against the Bengals, this was against the New Orleans Saints, 440 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: and at times I was thinking, do they have a 441 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: game plan? Did they have a game plan for Jalen Hurts, 442 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: because it didn't feel like they had one today. Prior 443 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: to that game, Sean Payton owned the Eagles. He was 444 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: six and two against the Eagles. Doug Peterson was oh 445 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: and two against Sean Payton before that game. I've covered 446 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 1: a lot of these games where I saw the Eagles 447 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: get waxed by the Saints, absolutely demoralized, and here Jalen 448 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: Hurts comes in and, like you said, he energized the 449 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: whole team. That was actually a note I was looking 450 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: for in my notebook last night. I found it that 451 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: Hurts has lifted the energy of everybody on the team. 452 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: Everybody is just playing at a different level. They are 453 00:27:53,480 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: not looking at their shoes anymore on the field. What 454 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: is the game? What's the game plan going forward? I mean, 455 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: everybody wants to hit the fast forward button, Dan and 456 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: I don't have an answer for it. I mean, but 457 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: just hold off the idea of it's going to be 458 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: real easy to trade cars and Wentz and those people 459 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: who want to keep Wentz and trade Jalen Hurts, those 460 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: people need to go live in Maryland because it's it's 461 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: not gonna that would be a very difficult cell to 462 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: this fan base. Handicap the NFC East, the rest of 463 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: the year. Who wins this division. Well, Washington has really 464 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: you know, they were a good team that first week. 465 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: I saw them beat the Eagles up in the second half. 466 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: Chase Young and that front four superactive, great front four. 467 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: But if they don't have a healthy Alex Smith, they're 468 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna limp to the finish beginning against Seattle. 469 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: This week, I'm covering that game at FedEx. I want 470 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: to see after they've been on the road at Pittsburgh 471 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: and at San Francisco, how they respond in this game 472 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: against Seattle. The Giants have a quarterback problem. The Giants 473 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: have a quarterback problem because Cult McCoy was playing very well, 474 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: and he put Daniel Jones in there as well. He 475 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: should coming back from injury. But McCoy played a lot 476 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: better than people think. When you plug in the tape 477 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: and you look at it, I thought he played smart, 478 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: He was accurate with the football, and he took care 479 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: of it for the most part. The Eagles have to 480 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: get super lucky and they need help. Good to talk 481 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: to you against sal We appreciate your time as always 482 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: and hope to talk to you again. Happy holidays, Dan, 483 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for thank you buddy at South Palestonio, ESPN national 484 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: correspondent primarily covering the NFL NFL matchup Hoost. Be sure 485 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show 486 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox 487 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. It's an annual tradition, 488 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: of course, cutting down the Christmas tree, and yesterday afternoon, 489 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: my wife always goes, Hey, we're gonna go get the tree. 490 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: I know you want to watch Army Nay Navy Saturday. 491 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to interrupt that we're gonna do it 492 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: on Sunday. I go, well, can we do it Sunday morning? 493 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: The NFL's on. Yeah, but you didn't say that there 494 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: was a game you wanted to watch. I thought you 495 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: said you wanted to watch the game at night. I said, 496 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: I want to watch him all day and all night, 497 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: I think is what I said. Oh well, I told 498 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: the girls that we're going to go in the afternoon. 499 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: So at two o'clock, right in the middle of everything, 500 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: I get all dressed up as only I can, and 501 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: we go and chop down the tree. Still one of 502 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: the one of the more amazing marketing approaches. You we're 503 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: gonna charge you more for you to go cut down 504 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: the tree. It's like, well, charge you more for you 505 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: to go pick apples, and we buy into it, literally, 506 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: And what happens is it always sounds like everybody wants 507 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: to cut down the tree, and as it turns out, 508 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm usually the one that ends up doing all the 509 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: heavy lifting. I get under there, I'm Paul Bunyan, and 510 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: then I gotta bag it and I got to wrap 511 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: it up and then drag it over to get it 512 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: bagged up, and then put it on top of the 513 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: car and then take it home and then lug it in. 514 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: And then you try to put it up, make it straight. 515 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: It's not straight, dad. And then I twisted a little bit. 516 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: Let's see clockwise and I go clockwise. I'm underneath this 517 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: damn thing. Clockwise. No, not that way. And then we 518 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: finally get and we got to put the star on top. 519 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: So then I gotta get a ladder put start. So 520 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: it was around I don't know, six o'clock when we're done, 521 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: and then I got to kind of plate clock. Yes, 522 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: oh yeah, no one, no, we have to go get garland. 523 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: We have to go get wreaths, and you know, and 524 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: then I'm trying to make jokes like a wreatha Franklin 525 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: would be a great name for a wreath or wreath. 526 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: Withers Own would be a good wine and uh, I mean, 527 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to have fun. They have wine samples, so 528 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do some Johns of wine. But we 529 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: got the tree in. I said, I'm not decorating, not tonight, 530 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: not gonna do it. And so I got that this afternoon. Yeah, 531 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: later this afternoon, I get to decorate the tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seton. 532 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: Were you hanging out with the host of college game 533 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: Day wreath David David? There you go. My daughters don't 534 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: think I'm funny. My wife doesn't either, by the way, 535 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,239 Speaker 1: but I would. I would be like, I'm do you 536 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: have the a wreath of Franklin? And the woman would 537 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: be like, no, I don't think So I said, do 538 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: you think it's because it's the seventh straight years? And 539 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: then I go, well, what about the wreath Witherspoon? And 540 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: then she goes, okay, I get that that that's kind 541 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: of funny. Yes, funny, But did you were you able 542 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: to get that one nice picture that makes it look 543 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: like you had a beautiful, lovely day with your family 544 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: as opposed to arguing, yelling and uncomfortableness. No, the picture 545 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: I showed you is me under the tree. I've got 546 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: my pajamas on and I got a damn Patrick sweatshirt on, 547 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: and I'm under their sawing down this monstrous tree. No, no, 548 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: they give you one. Yeah, they give you one, and 549 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: uh oh, it's quite the quite the experience. It really is. 550 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: It's quite the experience. And I say, you know, my 551 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: wife goes, well done it. It's fun. We could do 552 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: it together. We get to go chop down the tree. 553 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: I go, I chopped down the tree. Like, how about 554 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: we have a bonding experience where we just go to 555 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: the place, to the tree farm and then we buy 556 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: one who somebody chopped it down. That's still bonding because 557 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: me getting under this tree and spending thirty minutes chopping 558 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: it down, it's just me under the tree. There's no 559 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: bonding there. Yeah. See that's when like four or five 560 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: years ago, whenever I moved into the house I live 561 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: in now, my wife sent my son and I to 562 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: go get the tree, and I came back with one 563 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: that was like ten feet tall. It didn't even fit 564 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: in the room. Damn it. It It was the best tree 565 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: we ever had. It was gigantic, and I sent her 566 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: a picture. She was working at the time, and I 567 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: sent her a picture of it. She was like, what 568 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: the hell was this thing? A Christmas tree? Baby? It's 569 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: like Yao. Ming walks into a room and he asked 570 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: a duck and then your Christmas tree is ducking because 571 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: it's gone all the way to the ceiling. Yes, Polly, 572 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: I got the opposite seaton this year. I went with 573 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: my two daughters and was tasked to get the tree. 574 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: And I got the one that was ignored over to 575 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: the side, that was about five feet two inches, and 576 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: I brought it back and she's like, what is this? 577 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: What are they all out? Like they weren't all out? 578 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: She was, what were you trying to save money? Like? No, 579 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: I felt bad for the tree. Sheree was. She felt bad, 580 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: But the picture we took three minutes later we looked 581 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: like we're having a grand old time. But at PAULI 582 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm with you, My daughters go daddre you getting emotional 583 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: because I always feel bad for these trees that aren't 584 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: going to get cut down. People walk right by him. Yes, 585 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: or we saw one that was chopped o down and 586 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: left and I went, that is tragic. And and my 587 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: daughters know that. I bumms me out where I go. 588 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: That tree is not going to get a Christmas. Yes, 589 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: I love that, because that's just like the Charlie Brown 590 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: Christmas where he was sent. They thought he was going 591 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: to bring back some big, fancy tree and it brought 592 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: him this, you know, weak one. But then they were 593 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: able to somehow salvage it and decorated and he did 594 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: a good thing because that was just an ignored old, 595 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: like just bad looking tree. And I don't think you 596 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: should be involved in this conversation because you have not 597 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: gotten a tree. No, yeah, but you don't put up 598 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: the tree, you don't take down the tree, you don't 599 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: decorate the tree. There have a supermodel come in here. Then. 600 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: The only time that you've ever been involved in a 601 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: Christmas tree was when chriss E Tigan came in wearing 602 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: her elf outfit her skirt. I took significant interest in 603 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: the climbed up the ladder and Todd, of course was 604 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: decorating at the bottom of the tree. It looked like 605 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: it was shaking as he was gonna fall. I says, 606 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: someone's gonna hold you have a basis, but he quickly 607 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: can verted and then jump right I did. I called 608 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: my local rabbi, explained the situation. He gave me a 609 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: weekend pass. Yeah, he we hid the Hanka decorations when 610 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: Chrissy Tigen came. Yeah. Thanks for listening to The Dan 611 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 612 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific 613 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on 614 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on 615 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: the Peacock App. I don't think it's a surprise. Sometimes 616 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: there is the surprise element of shock involved in something, 617 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: but Cleveland Indians and I remember reading a column that 618 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: Terry Pluto wrote back and I think July, where he 619 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: said it's probably going to happen where the Indians are 620 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: gonna change their nickname, but probably won't happen until twenty 621 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 1: twenty two, and the great columnists for the Cleveland Plane Dealer, 622 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: Terry Pluto joining us. Why do you think we moved 623 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: up the time frame here, Terry? Well, I don't. I 624 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think they're going to be having a new 625 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: name in twenty one. Okay, whether they decided, you know, 626 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: be the Cleveland Blanks or or they're going to stay 627 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: with the Indians. I know in July the original plan 628 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: was to have like one last year with the Indians, 629 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, sell stuff, all that kind of thing. And also, 630 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: as a top executive told me, Dan, you know this, 631 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: it's easy to say, Okay, we're not going to be 632 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: the Indians. It's hard to say, but what are you 633 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: going to be? I mean, I just got how about 634 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: the Walleyes that that just came in. You feel strongly 635 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 1: about fish? What about tribe? Oh? Now, nothing to do 636 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: with the Native American. They want to get as far 637 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: away from that as Okay. I love tribe fact. I 638 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: often call them my story to tribe far more than 639 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: the the Indians A long time. I guess the books 640 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: so old, it's not really a big plug. I wrote 641 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: a book called Our Tribe and how basically is how 642 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: the Indians were like a second family to my dad 643 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: and I growing up. And he talked about Bob Feller 644 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 1: like he talked about you know, uncle Myron, And that's 645 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: how I think the feeling is when you are in 646 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: a you know, we have a close association with the 647 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: team that's kind of like a tribe that goes across 648 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: about sports, racial lines, and everything else. But also we 649 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: see what's happening with Washington and the football team and 650 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: Daniel Snyder, and Okay, I understand what he's doing. I 651 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: guess could you see the Cleveland baseball team as a 652 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: possibility sort of a stab stop gap or band aid 653 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: or kind of ride this out. It feels like Daniel 654 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: Steiner's like, all right, you want me to change it. 655 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: How about that, I'm going to change it to that. 656 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I always see the revenue stream here, but Terry, 657 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: Terry that You're like, we'll get a new nickname and 658 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: we got all brand new revenue stream here. Yeah, that 659 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: would be the idea a year for now, But I'm 660 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: not sure the Cleveland baseball team is going to show 661 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: sell a lot of sweatshirts. That could be wrong, but 662 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't do it for me. I know this in 663 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: July when I wrote the story that it was not 664 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: going to be till twenty two. The plan at that 665 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: point was for um them to be the last year 666 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: with the Indians in the same the same year like 667 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,479 Speaker 1: they they had like kind of one last go around 668 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: with Chief Wahoo. So that was the plan. Uh, it 669 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: could change. You know, things have been really subject to that. 670 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: But the moment Dan, the moment they came out and 671 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: said we're thinking about changing the name. I don't know 672 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: why people are surprised it was done. You don't come 673 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: out and say that, say I never mind, We're not 674 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: gonna do that. You know, we're gonna we're gonna go back. 675 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to the old nineteen forty eight logo, 676 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: which is really opprehensible. No, they're not going to do that. 677 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of what And I think 678 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: that is really their big you know, discussion area. And 679 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: on top of it, you know, right now, the Indians 680 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: are in a major budget cutting thing. Um. It's really 681 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: funny though in Cleveland, it's like the Indians are held 682 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: to this higher standard than the other franchises. What the fans, 683 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: you know, the last I think they've last eight years, 684 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: They've had winning records, gone the playoffs five times, but 685 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,479 Speaker 1: they're cheap. But are we looking at the Braves now, 686 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the black Hawks. Is it going to be college? 687 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: Is it high school? Like the trickle down? Does it? 688 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: Does it start with the Cleveland Indians? I mean that 689 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: could be the next you know I wrote a the 690 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: first common I wrote about Chief Wah, who was in 691 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, where I was against getting rid of 692 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I was for changing the logo U and 693 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: but keeping the name because I've been out west a lot, 694 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: essentially at the Wind River Indian Reservation, which is what 695 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: it's called, and then back then and for many years 696 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: they had a kind of a paper from USA today 697 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: called the Indian Country Today, Indian was not considered that 698 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: pejorative a term. You know, Redskins always was, but Indian wasn't. 699 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: But they did not like the logo, and so I 700 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: always kind of base my thing on that. Granted, boy, 701 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: there's a real Paul, I get it, but in terms 702 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: of just common sense. But now, I mean, truthfully, as 703 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: you said, it could go into anything that you know, 704 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: Florida Stay eight. I just saw them playing basketball the 705 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: other day with that big logo on the floor. I 706 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: thought the same thing you did, Dan. I mean, I 707 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but um, it's one of 708 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: those things I guess because I grew up with it, 709 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, I feel for it. But I was really 710 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: down on the logo for years. What I wanted them 711 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: to do is actually higher, like four or five top 712 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: of the Native American artists, have them do a rendering 713 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 1: of it, have a big contest, and you know, money 714 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: get tossed around, and I think people would have liked that. 715 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: Now it's I'll tell you it is wide open. What's 716 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: your idea? What do you want to name? You're from Dayton, right, 717 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: you're from Ohio. Oh I don't know. The Cleveland Buckeyes. 718 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: How that? Yeah? I mean it was that was an 719 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: ego league team. That's not bad. Some people don't like 720 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: to because because it follows with Ohio State, you know, 721 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 1: your marketing brand there. I don't like the Spiders. Everybody 722 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: wants the Spiders. That's that's the big thing. They have 723 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: a lobbying group going. You know the Cleveland Spiders, which 724 00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: the last time they were the Spiders, they were just awful. 725 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: That's back in eighteen ninety nine Cleveland Spiders. I covered them. 726 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: They really had some nice guys, but they just couldn't play, 727 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, they really but it was really bad. At 728 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: the ending, they actually did bring in this Bill hoop one. 729 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: They said he could pitch because they were running out 730 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: of pitchers. They're on the road somewhere and found out 731 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: he pitched like a Bellhopum, how big of an issue 732 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: is this? Locally? Big? It's a big deal because a 733 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: lot of fans I'm sure don't want change, Yes, but 734 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,439 Speaker 1: are they a vocal group? Is it a large group 735 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't doesn't want it? Yeah? How much is it 736 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: going to hurt attendance or whatever? I don't know. But 737 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: in terms of first of all, it strikes me that 738 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: most of the fans of the baseball team tend to 739 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: be older, and I think some of the demographist have 740 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: shown that other place. So one, they're used to what 741 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 1: you know, you and our little order were used to 742 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: what we're used to, and change sometimes doesn't do it 743 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: for us. And Thirdly, like a lot of them like 744 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 1: the tribe or that, I think they weren't thrilled about 745 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 1: the logo, but the name thing is really kind of 746 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: rock them and they feel that it's being pressured, you know, 747 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: from Manford and the league office to everything that's going 748 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: on in the world right now, and now they want 749 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 1: to take away the team's name and call it who knows. Yeah, 750 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,439 Speaker 1: but I go back to the Chicago Blackhawks. I think 751 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: it's maybe the finest looking like it's it's gorgeous. That 752 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: logo is beautiful. And if you do it in conjunction, 753 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: I agree with you. If I look at the braves 754 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: in the Indians, those those are that's a threatening looking caricature. 755 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not flattering at all. If I 756 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: was Native American, and I think if you do it 757 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: in a regal way, in conjunction with some Native American artists, 758 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: then you probably could have circumvented this a long time 759 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: ago terry hopefully, although I mean some people, I mean, 760 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: it all depends where we are politically on stuff. But 761 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Dan, and I always thought too that hey, 762 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: get some money involved here. As they said, do you 763 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: have those renderings of that? And you know, say, the 764 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: guy that wanted is from the Lakota. By the way, 765 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 1: That's one of the things when you're out west, you 766 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: discover that the identity is your tribe, you know, the Arapaho, 767 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: the Lakoda, the Shawnee, whatever that you know, that tribe 768 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: gets a piece of the action from whoever won this. 769 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 1: I just think it could have been fun, but they 770 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: just decided that's it in the middle of this year. 771 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: The other thing they were worried about and the Washington 772 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: had This was a lot of the corporate sponsors, remember, 773 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: went after them. And it's not why Cleveland's got a 774 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: ton of corporate sponsors of Fortune five companies to begin with. 775 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: And I think they didn't want their sponsors stealing a 776 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: lot of pressure to push towards this, so they want 777 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: to get out in front of it. Yep. But you 778 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: think this year last year enjoying the artist formerly known 779 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: as the Cleveland Indians, Yes, and lets they decided to 780 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,439 Speaker 1: make him the Cleveland Blank So shack hope they don't 781 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,320 Speaker 1: do that. Terry, good to talk to you. Has always 782 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: keeps starting it up. We appreciate your time as always. 783 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, Dan. 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