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Speaker 2: All right, William McKinley, it's interesting. It's like twenty years apart.
Speaker 2: You've got first Lincoln in eighteen sixty five, sixteen years
Speaker 2: later Garfield is assassinated, and then just what twenty twenty
Speaker 2: years later, William McKinley, the twenty fifth president I believe,
Speaker 2: is assassinated. This one takes place in Buffalo, New York.
Speaker 2: Is it a the World's Fair? That's right, yeah, Pimberg
Speaker 2: exposition right, all right, just walk us through what happened
Speaker 2: leading up to his death, his murder.
Speaker 3: So a little parallel that I was thinking about.
Speaker 4: It said about Garfield, McKinley, and Jfka. If there was
Speaker 4: not a second shot, all three of them would have
Speaker 4: survived the assassination. So you have here with Garfield, we
Speaker 4: talked about the fact that the first bullet misfires.
Speaker 3: It happens again with McKinley.
Speaker 4: Here's the same happens with the assassin here. So let's
Speaker 4: kind of go through the many sins of what took
Speaker 4: place here. So I mentioned that the exposition about flowence
Speaker 4: May first, November first, nineteen oh one present visiting the
Speaker 4: fairground from September fourth to the sixth, and he said,
Speaker 4: Temple of music.
Speaker 3: And it's just.
Speaker 4: After four o'clock reading the public and approaches the president.
Speaker 4: We've got to public greeting him. In line is the
Speaker 4: assassin Leon Schulgos. And he was an anarchist, a steel
Speaker 4: worker who.
Speaker 3: Lost his job recently. And if you look at.
Speaker 4: My researcher on this, the book about this because of
Speaker 4: slained the Truth today, you know, this is the book
Speaker 4: I did before about you know this, this assassination.
Speaker 3: That was jfk So actually did.
Speaker 4: What about mckimney was she repought to kill mckimney. Kind
Speaker 4: of makes that many books. But there are three things
Speaker 4: about this that I think if you look at potential conspiracy,
Speaker 4: the money trail, the crime scene, and what happens.
Speaker 3: With the photographer.
Speaker 4: So let's go with you know, money sholf for a cycle,
Speaker 4: you know, deep Throat said with watergates. Now Lan Show
Speaker 4: ghost comes to Buffalo August of nineteen oh one and
Speaker 4: gets a rooming house West Seneca.
Speaker 3: No one's out of money.
Speaker 4: He tells that the proprietor he is that we're mine
Speaker 4: to pay his rent. He leaves town and goes back
Speaker 4: three days later.
Speaker 3: No knows where he went.
Speaker 4: The stack the fifties one hundred dollar bills he's flashing everywhere.
Speaker 3: So he didn't have a job. Where do you got
Speaker 3: all this money from?
Speaker 4: That's not money back at that time periods produced one
Speaker 4: hundred dollar bills. The most expensive gun he can sign,
Speaker 4: and he also pays for a most expensive hotel.
Speaker 3: By the way his gun. The advises to calvert Ava
Speaker 3: Johnson Revolver.
Speaker 2: And Ivor Johnson, Okay.
Speaker 4: Cyber Johnson, and this gun's a great gun to use.
Speaker 3: It's very alive.
Speaker 4: So the money trail had to get this money. They
Speaker 4: much so much have paid him for this from the assassination.
Speaker 4: Then we get to the crime scene and show Gosh
Speaker 4: has a gun wrapped up in a handkerchief. He approaches
Speaker 4: the president and in front of show Gosh is someone
Speaker 4: the Secret Service calls the Italian. Italian seems a part
Speaker 4: of the plot here, and they thought the same thing
Speaker 4: at the time. The Italian was very close to shell Gush,
Speaker 4: so Gus had the gun tucking in his back. They're
Speaker 4: walking back to front the town was winning back forward
Speaker 4: to hide the gun. And then when he gets to
Speaker 4: the President. The Italian grabs McKinley's hand, turns him to
Speaker 4: the left, does not let go for fifteen seconds, won't
Speaker 4: let go of the President's hand, keeps shaking it, and
Speaker 4: then this forces agents Foster Ireland to take him away
Speaker 4: from the scene, and that opens up for a clear shot.
Speaker 4: First one is a missfire, as I mentioned. Second one
Speaker 4: pinetrates McKinley's chest and then eventually kills him.
Speaker 3: So the Italian basically.
Speaker 4: Does whatever he can to distract agents to move away
Speaker 4: from He also disappears in those of where he went to.
Speaker 4: I mentioned the photography too unusual as well, Still we
Speaker 4: have Here's a photographer of the expedition was Charleshilvy Arnold.
Speaker 3: He follows McKinley everywhere for days.
Speaker 4: He starts out taking photographs and start falls and the fairgrounds,
Speaker 4: and he even.
Speaker 3: Is there minised for the assassin eging.
Speaker 4: He takes photographs them to City Rhymes before the shooting.
Speaker 3: The Temple of Music, but he doesn't go in.
Speaker 4: Someone just doesn't let him go inside and take photographs,
Speaker 4: or maybe he did take photographs and they were destroyed.
Speaker 4: Either way, he should have been there taking photographs. He's
Speaker 4: like the money shots you pick for their being, the
Speaker 4: public and everything else.
Speaker 3: So no force.
Speaker 2: Right. He may he may have captured the assassination on film.
Speaker 2: He may have taken a picture of this mysterious Italian man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's exactly what they would not have
Speaker 4: wanted to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you think you have here.
Speaker 4: Someone must have known ten minutes President gonna get shot.
Speaker 4: No photographs are allowed. You don't want to know who
Speaker 4: this guy was.
Speaker 2: And once again we have the disappearing weapon, the disappearing
Speaker 2: Ivor Johnson revolver, the gun that he was used to
Speaker 2: kill McKinley mysteriously vanished.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 4: Well, you have here, just like with the goat, the
Speaker 4: gatel gun is first given to the Buffet Peace Apartment,
Speaker 4: like with the DC police apartments, and it disappears for
Speaker 4: several years and ends up showing back up in buff
Speaker 4: the Christian Museum.
Speaker 3: Worries on display?
Speaker 2: Now, sorry, where is it on display?
Speaker 4: The Buffalo History Resum, his Buffalo's History Museum, the Buffalo
Speaker 4: Museum of History.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just on display there.
Speaker 4: And if you know, we have a display, they can
Speaker 4: see that it was the chains has got chained up
Speaker 4: in the and the President is also on display there too,
Speaker 4: and you can see the gun itself there on display.
Speaker 4: And just like with the Gitow gun, that one gets destroyed,
Speaker 4: so it's on display thankfully. But you do see, like
Speaker 4: wan I mentioned two with the amnition when I mention
Speaker 4: this as well, so.
Speaker 3: We have with the.
Speaker 4: The show ghost weapons, they did the same thing analyzing
Speaker 4: their many bullets in the chamber and with the ge
Speaker 4: Tow gun. Is that what they the show ghost gun.
Speaker 4: Uh you usually Buffalo looked at the rest of the
Speaker 4: chamber and wise the rest of the bullets and it's
Speaker 4: a five shot gun. And to determine that two other
Speaker 4: remaining bullets were short of their gunpowder load too, much
Speaker 4: like with the Guiteo weapon. So this is and whies
Speaker 4: By they say, Buffalo in the nineteen nineties, and they
Speaker 4: found out that just like with the Garfie weapon, the
Speaker 4: mckillley weapon was the same way mentioned before that we
Speaker 4: do know that the first bullet did penetrate McKinley's chest.
Speaker 4: Though the first plot was much like the other ones,
Speaker 4: effective of their gunpowder.
Speaker 2: Loans h and Shull goes by the assassin. McKinley's assassin
Speaker 2: by all accounts became radicalized or became an anarchist seemingly overnight.
Speaker 2: Do you think he was I don't know, brainwashed or
Speaker 2: guided by shadowy figures, unseen handlers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his influenced by a mc goldman, and you have
Speaker 4: him going to meet with her in several occasions Chicago,
Speaker 4: goes to Cleveland and meets with other anarchists. So he's
Speaker 4: well known in their community that they definitely know who
Speaker 4: he is, and he's He's not an intelligent person. He
Speaker 4: graduated from high school. The prison's guard of the warden
Speaker 4: said he was the most intelligent person he ever had
Speaker 4: an aubern if he use to play games with the guards.
Speaker 4: He was not this kind of lone crazed nut.
Speaker 3: People have made him out.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 3: He was very well.
Speaker 4: Read, well spoken, and I think he would have been
Speaker 4: the right person to do this job if you wanted
Speaker 4: to hire him. He was very radicalized to them to
Speaker 4: you know, get this job done, to see what he
Speaker 4: did his duty as he said, and his confession.
Speaker 2: So McKinley was a bit of I don't know if
Speaker 2: I would have used the term isolationist, but some of argued,
Speaker 2: you know, had he lived America may not have been
Speaker 2: so interventionist, and of course we saw that start to
Speaker 2: happen with the Row Well, his vice president was was
Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt. So after McKinley dies, Roosevelt becomes president and
Speaker 2: he's a little more let's say, his foreign policy a
Speaker 2: little more adventurous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very true. He Roosevelt ends up having much
Speaker 4: more aggressive approach towards foreign policy, and like Panama Canal
Speaker 4: for example, he becomes interested in the pressive movement.
Speaker 3: He certainly does things.
Speaker 4: Like trust busting and conservationism, and it is much more
Speaker 4: an active president than McKinley would be on It would
Speaker 4: have been on all those fronts.
Speaker 2: But again, the I guess the question is had he lived.
Speaker 2: Had McKinley lived, do you think that America would have
Speaker 2: been less interventionist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think only would have been.
Speaker 4: His policies were aligned with a lot of the wealth
Speaker 4: or interests of the country. I think in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 4: you look at how he was elected with the backing
Speaker 4: of Balkinsoy Morgan and Carnegie.
Speaker 3: They funded his campaign for presidents.
Speaker 4: He was certainly pro gold, pro tariff, you know, he
Speaker 4: was pro strike breaking, and he was the classic Republican
Speaker 4: pro business approach that I think it would have continued
Speaker 4: into his second term. One of the things to think about,
Speaker 4: brought about in the book too, is his wife Ida
Speaker 4: was very ill and if possible, she may have died
Speaker 4: in the second ary. He might have resigned the presidency
Speaker 4: because he was really heaving a deed with her. She
Speaker 4: almost died in the previous summer. In June, he had
Speaker 4: a major stroke in San Francisco, so it's possible with
Speaker 4: the stress of a second term, he may have resigned
Speaker 4: and Rose may.
Speaker 3: Have come president.
Speaker 4: Anyway, with resignation of mckientley, big had a second or
Speaker 4: third years of the second term.
Speaker 2: Do you think McKinley's economic policies might have been a
Speaker 2: threat to the elites.
Speaker 3: I think more so Roosevelts were.
Speaker 4: I think his coming into office with his approach towards
Speaker 4: trust busting, bringing up stary oil, American tobacco eventually, and
Speaker 4: also you know his approach towards conservationism and the idea
Speaker 4: of taking on big business and the peer put in
Speaker 4: Drug Act and I mean Inspection Act, and just doing
Speaker 4: things too. I think helped labor, We helped sell the
Speaker 4: mining strength.
Speaker 3: So I think he was.
Speaker 4: I think his approach I gave us more I think
Speaker 4: radical policies. And McKinley, one thing we kind of to
Speaker 4: talk about down is second augul and dress you worried
Speaker 4: about Cuba. He said that could be a problem for
Speaker 4: us in the future become a democracy. And he looked
Speaker 4: into the future there and said, if they don't become
Speaker 4: a democracy, they could be a big problem for us
Speaker 4: in the future because the fantasparics of war had been
Speaker 4: over and they still were kind of clear whether the
Speaker 4: future would have been and he was looking forward to
Speaker 4: kind of figure out what might have been a democracy
Speaker 4: for them in the future, how that would have turned
Speaker 4: out differently if they had been we're seeing to think
Speaker 4: of how that would turn out differently, for cash were
Speaker 4: coming to power and things like that.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Well, getting back to the the economic policies, McKinley
Speaker 2: supported goldbacked currency. I mean, he was against major banking monopolies.
Speaker 2: Could do you think financial elites maybe have wanted him
Speaker 2: eliminated because of that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 4: Think it's possible that if you look at there's a
Speaker 4: radical ship. I think ever in US assassinations that maybe
Speaker 4: a lot Johnson and kind of this seminal legement policies
Speaker 4: with Vietnam War. But it does seem like with Wayne
Speaker 4: Roosevelt was looked at at the time, he was a reformer.
Speaker 4: He was in New York City politics, he was New
Speaker 4: York State governor, and they put him in the vice
Speaker 4: president to kind of.
Speaker 3: Just get rid of him.
Speaker 4: He was causing him too much trouble and the thought
Speaker 4: that could shut him up and that kind of backfired
Speaker 4: on the party leader. Is because he is a war hero.
Speaker 4: And I think that that approach worked because of course
Speaker 4: he became president by you know, this fascination and then
Speaker 4: he did his own thing. He came by and was
Speaker 4: kind of this big reform minded approach. New York State politics,
Speaker 4: New York City Police commissioner he was, and you click
Speaker 4: clean up, you know for people that were that were corrupt.
Speaker 4: And I think he had I think his approach was
Speaker 4: refreshing at the time or a young president with children
Speaker 4: in the White House, and I think he really was
Speaker 4: run president fresh air to our country that that's we
Speaker 4: needed at the time.
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