Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Mclovin the pull question from the first hour,
Speaker 1: and does it bleed over into hour or two? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Who's gonna win the Braves Dodgers series? Fifty
Speaker 1: eight Braves? Okay, does that surprise you? Uh? No, No,
Speaker 1: I would think the Braves going back home. I just
Speaker 1: like how this sets up for the Dodgers and they're
Speaker 1: starting pitching and the bullpen has been great. The question
Speaker 1: has been how much offense do you get? I'd like
Speaker 1: the offense to be spread out a little more than
Speaker 1: what it has been in two games here where they've
Speaker 1: shown a little bit of offense the Bellinger home run
Speaker 1: and then of course what happened last night with five
Speaker 1: home runs. But I like having Max Scherzer on the mound.
Speaker 1: If you said, you know anybody in baseball now, Scherzer is,
Speaker 1: you know what, thirty six, thirty seven years of age.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit different and how long you can
Speaker 1: go with Max Scherzer. But I love Scherzer to start,
Speaker 1: just to set sort of the temperature there in the
Speaker 1: building in Atlanta. And then if you got Walker Bueller
Speaker 1: and you get some timely hitting and that's all you're
Speaker 1: asking for. And plus I'm saying to these pictures with
Speaker 1: the braves, and a lot of them haven't been in
Speaker 1: these positions. Go out there and let's see you shut down.
Speaker 1: You know that lineup again? Yeah, Mick clubbing. The other
Speaker 1: potential big question or pull from our one was would
Speaker 1: you pay Baker Mayfield big money? I'm curious how people
Speaker 1: would vote on that. No, I don't want to give
Speaker 1: a full you know, the full Monty to him. I
Speaker 1: don't want to give that to him. What if the
Speaker 1: question was do you think the Browns will end up
Speaker 1: paying a big contract to Baker Mayfield? Yes? I do, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you gotta. And I'll talk to Ross Tucker, our buddy,
Speaker 1: he'll join us coming up. You know, when you you
Speaker 1: look at the brown situation, you've already picked up his
Speaker 1: fifth year option, and then after that, then then I
Speaker 1: have to think do I want to give him maybe
Speaker 1: a franchise tag. I don't know if you're going to
Speaker 1: have all the answers you want. You're not going to
Speaker 1: get that this year with Baker and then the following
Speaker 1: year will you get that? And then are you going
Speaker 1: to decide to give him you know, a five year
Speaker 1: deal that's going to pay him two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it. I think the ceiling is a
Speaker 1: little higher, right than it? I mean it should be higher.
Speaker 1: He's the number one overall pick. I just don't know
Speaker 1: if I can give up that kind of money because
Speaker 1: it's going to cost me at some position on that team.
Speaker 1: Is he an elite quarterback, a good quarterback, pretty good quarterback,
Speaker 1: potentially a good quarterback. I just don't want to give
Speaker 1: money where I have doubts about that. It's got to
Speaker 1: be yes, like that's the answer. And if the answer
Speaker 1: is not an affirmative yes, then I wouldn't do that. Plus,
Speaker 1: what's his bargaining power if I say to his representatives, Hey,
Speaker 1: here's the deal for five years, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars. You want it? Oh you don't? Okay, where
Speaker 1: are you gonna get it? Elsewhere? Now? Brady Quinn, who
Speaker 1: joined us last hour, said, well you might get you know,
Speaker 1: a quarterback starved team. Are they going to pony up?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but you know, in fairness
Speaker 1: to him, he doesn't have his running backs. You know,
Speaker 1: his wide receivers have been banged up, but case Keenum
Speaker 1: was serviceable last night, did a nice job. He did
Speaker 1: what you want him to do and maybe what you
Speaker 1: expect him to do. You may not win the game,
Speaker 1: don't lose the game, and they were able to, you know,
Speaker 1: squeak out a win last night. That's all you want
Speaker 1: with these games. Might be ugly. You win those games
Speaker 1: because at the end of the year, you don't get
Speaker 1: style points. It's not like college football where they go, yeah,
Speaker 1: you barely beat that team at home. It doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no degree of difficulty. All right, we'll get to a
Speaker 1: poll question and see if we said on one. For
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Speaker 1: show Dodgers Roll the Braves Chris Taylor hits three home runs,
Speaker 1: Braves up three two the Red Sox at the Astros.
Speaker 1: That's Game six coming up tonight. Let's make way for
Speaker 1: our good Buddy Ross Tucker hosts of the Ross Tucker
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Speaker 1: joins us on the program. Let me let me start
Speaker 1: off with Baker Mayfield. What do you do you think
Speaker 1: the Browns eventually just pony up and give him that
Speaker 1: big contract extension. No, I don't think they're going to dan.
Speaker 1: I think they're smart enough with Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry,
Speaker 1: a couple of Ivy League guys. I might add, I
Speaker 1: think that they're smart enough to realize that Baker is
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. He's not a great quarterback. He's not
Speaker 1: worthy of one of those contracts. I mean, I can
Speaker 1: name fifteen quarterbacks off the top of my head, probably better,
Speaker 1: clearly better than Baker Mayfield. I think they're happy with
Speaker 1: him as a starter. But the weird thing about quarterbacks
Speaker 1: is there's like no middle ground. I mean, you're either
Speaker 1: getting over forty million a year or you're getting ten
Speaker 1: million or less. It's just crazy. And the guy's getting
Speaker 1: twenty eight million or twenty four like Jimmy Garoppolo. It's
Speaker 1: just because he signed his contract three years ago now
Speaker 1: and it got kind of jumped over. I don't see
Speaker 1: how you do that. I heard you earlier, Dan, you
Speaker 1: made a terrific point. Nobody else is gonna give him
Speaker 1: that money, you know, Like, I don't think that there's
Speaker 1: a team that's gonna say, oh yeah, Cleveland doesn't love
Speaker 1: him enough to pay him, but we're going to. There
Speaker 1: will always be draft picks, there will always be other guys,
Speaker 1: but I think you will cove it more than Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: We keep talking about devaluing the running back position, and
Speaker 1: last night was another example. I just don't see a
Speaker 1: team where you go, we gotta get that running back.
Speaker 1: There's Derek Hanny and then there's a bunch of other
Speaker 1: running backs. I like Kamara McCaffrey. I would not have
Speaker 1: given him an extension. Sae Quon Barkley's not going to
Speaker 1: get a contract extension. And it doesn't matter at that position.
Speaker 1: Do you think it'll ever matter at that position where
Speaker 1: you actually waste a first round draft pick? Now, I
Speaker 1: know the Steelers did, but you know, do you do
Speaker 1: that a top fifteen pick on a running back? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't like the top ten or top fifteen pick.
Speaker 1: I don't mind down in the twenties. I think the
Speaker 1: real problem is when you give him a huge second contract. Now, clearly,
Speaker 1: as you reference Dan, Derrick Henry's a difference maker. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen that guy in person. I didn't recognize him
Speaker 1: at first. It was the SEC Championship game. I thought
Speaker 1: he was a d end. I was like, Hey, who's
Speaker 1: that guy. They're like, that's Derrick Henry. I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: Derek Henry. And Dan you're you're older than me. But
Speaker 1: I can't remember another one hundred and fifty pound man
Speaker 1: that was that fast. I mean the other night he
Speaker 1: was going just about twenty two miles per hour, which
Speaker 1: is the fastest of any NFL player with the ball
Speaker 1: in their hands this year. I mean, think about that.
Speaker 1: Somebody said Christian McCoy, Christian Accoire was pretty fast. Bo
Speaker 1: Jackson was crazy fast. But bo Jackson wasn't two fifty.
Speaker 1: But anyway that you guys can debate that later in
Speaker 1: terms of what you said about McCaffrey. You know, the
Speaker 1: only thing I would say about that Dan is he
Speaker 1: is so valuable in the passing game. The Panthers are
Speaker 1: three and ozo in games he starts, and oh and
Speaker 1: three in games he doesn't. And he had been so
Speaker 1: durable until he signed that contract. But your overall point
Speaker 1: is a good one. I mean, I think we saw
Speaker 1: it last night again. Offensive line means a great deal.
Speaker 1: You look at the best teams in the league, you
Speaker 1: look at the worst teams in the league. More often
Speaker 1: than not, it directly correlates to the quality or lack thereof,
Speaker 1: of the offensive line. Yeah. I'm watching Odell Beckham last
Speaker 1: night and I know that he's not healthy. But he's
Speaker 1: in the wrong system. Okay, that's what I don't understand now.
Speaker 1: Granted they brought him in before they brought in Kevin Stefanski,
Speaker 1: but he just doesn't fit that system. But do you
Speaker 1: still keep Odell Beckham just because he still has that
Speaker 1: star power and the defense at least has to acknowledge
Speaker 1: that he's in the game. I think if the Browns
Speaker 1: got a good offer for him, they would strongly consider
Speaker 1: moving him. I just don't know who's going to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, with his injury history, especially the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, and lack of production, who wants to take
Speaker 1: on that salary. I don't think anybody does. And honestly,
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior is one of those guys. Dan He
Speaker 1: kind of makes me sad like he's one of the
Speaker 1: all time what ifs. His first two years, I remember
Speaker 1: thinking this guy could be like Jerry Rice, Like his
Speaker 1: first two years were incredible. But then he started to,
Speaker 1: you know, do all the get all these personal foul penalties,
Speaker 1: and then there was the stuff off the field, and
Speaker 1: you just realized he wasn't going to be like Jerry Rice.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how people will take this, but
Speaker 1: it just wasn't important enough to him. And I'm not
Speaker 1: criticizing him for that. I'd probably be just like Odell.
Speaker 1: You could probably go to Germany and get like three
Speaker 1: million dollars to do some endorsement over there. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: not mad at Odell, but he decided early on in
Speaker 1: his career that the off the field stuff was pretty
Speaker 1: important to him. And that's okay, it's his life. But
Speaker 1: I really thought he could be like an all time great.
Speaker 1: But it's been the off the field distractions and the
Speaker 1: injuries that have prevented him from really even getting close
Speaker 1: to what he could have been. Why are the Dolphins
Speaker 1: at least reportedly trying to trade for Deshaun Watson. Their
Speaker 1: owner is not very patient and frankly, I wouldn't be either.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you I don't know how old Stephen
Speaker 1: Ross is. I think he's in his seventies. Let me
Speaker 1: just tell you right now. I'm going on record right now,
Speaker 1: if I'm a billionaire in my seventies and I own
Speaker 1: a sports franchise, I'm not gonna be patient at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, not even a little bite. What's that he's
Speaker 1: eighty one? Yeah? Even more reason. And that's why DeShawn
Speaker 1: Watson ultimately is going to get traded because one of
Speaker 1: these owners, David Tepper of the Panthers. These guys are
Speaker 1: used to getting what they want. It must be infuriating
Speaker 1: to be able to literally pay for anything in life
Speaker 1: you want other than winning, other than having a good
Speaker 1: quarter I mean, these guys can call their private jet
Speaker 1: and fly to Paris tonight if they want and do
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do in Paris, but you can't
Speaker 1: buy that in the NFL. But they want it, so
Speaker 1: they're gonna do what it takes to get a quarterback
Speaker 1: that gives them a chance to win championships because they
Speaker 1: have big egos and they want to win championships. Jared
Speaker 1: Goff goes back to Los Angeles and I guess he's
Speaker 1: going to play with a chip on his shoulder. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that feels when you play with a
Speaker 1: chip on your shoulder going into a game like this,
Speaker 1: but it feels like it's dangerous from the standpoint of
Speaker 1: I want to try to do more than what I
Speaker 1: probably should. What do you think? So? Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: don't know what that is like for a quarterback. I
Speaker 1: can distinctly remember in two thousand and two, after Steve
Speaker 1: Spurrier and Washington release me, I actually started Dan for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys like a month later on Thanksgiving against Washington,
Speaker 1: and I distinctly thought about, if it's like a sweep
Speaker 1: to that side, maybe I could take a dB and
Speaker 1: run them right in the Spurrier and knock him over
Speaker 1: withdrew him in. I had that mental image. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what you do as a quarterback, but as
Speaker 1: a lineman, you think about, man, there might be some
Speaker 1: way if I'm near the sideline, I can chuck it
Speaker 1: the guy in the Spurrier's legs didn't work out. That
Speaker 1: was very hard to do, very hard to pull off.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's a wake forest at Army, Yeah,
Speaker 1: wake forest undefeat. This is a sneaky good game that
Speaker 1: you got. Well, what's awesome about it? Dan? It's not
Speaker 1: a great Saturday of college football games. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of great matchups. So everybody at noon. The game
Speaker 1: is sold out. It's at Mikey Stadium. It's sold out.
Speaker 1: Wake Forest, best season, best start since nineteen forty four.
Speaker 1: They're four and oz in the ACC there's six and oz.
Speaker 1: They've got a great chance to win the conference with
Speaker 1: Clemson being down, but Army's tough, especially at home. I
Speaker 1: absolutely cannot wait for this game new tomorrow, CBS Sports Network.
Speaker 1: Could you start for a Division three team right now?
Speaker 1: That is a great question. Um, I don't think so, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm two forty five pounds now. No, But
Speaker 1: you know why, About a month ago, I was on
Speaker 1: Army's field and I thought, you know what, I want
Speaker 1: to change up my workouts a little bit. I ran
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred yards sprint stand but I was just like
Speaker 1: jogging him. I wasn't like really sprinting. My hamstrings were
Speaker 1: sore for three weeks. Three way. I never do anything
Speaker 1: like that. I think, you know what, I could probably
Speaker 1: start at center or guard for a bad division, a
Speaker 1: really bad division. Three team and then for a good
Speaker 1: month to two months after that game, being incredibly sore
Speaker 1: and mad at myself. Have fun this weekend. Great, Great
Speaker 1: to see you, buddy, Thank you. Oh thanks. Then that's
Speaker 1: Ross Tucker, host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast and
Speaker 1: UH covers college football's way. He called Florida Atlantic and
Speaker 1: shar it last night for CBS Sports Network, and then
Speaker 1: Big One tomorrow at noon. It's Wake taking on Army.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break. The NBA has issued its top
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Speaker 1: don't talk about who's on the team, it's who didn't
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Speaker 1: I started watching this last night and I'm not a
Speaker 1: big horror movie guy, but I wanted to watch it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see Jamie Lee Curtis again in there.
Speaker 1: Uh let me see. Oh, by the way, Ben Simmons
Speaker 1: put his house for sale yesterday, and if you got
Speaker 1: I think two point two million dollars outside of Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: There is a basketball court outside. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's been used, but there is a basketball hoop attached
Speaker 1: to the house there with Ben. Yes fall he bought
Speaker 1: it for two point three million five years ago. It's
Speaker 1: now four point almost two acres and it's a cul
Speaker 1: to zac which is lovely. Yeah, five bedrooms and a
Speaker 1: game room and an aquarium. Okay, there's not a money
Speaker 1: pit whatsoever. Yes, Ton, it's hard to get packages though
Speaker 1: there because the mailman refuses to deliver anything that's fun,
Speaker 1: just like Ben Simmons is refusing to That was bad.
Speaker 1: That wasn't good. I thought I had something there. It
Speaker 1: should have reworked. Huped that a little bit. You should
Speaker 1: say something like that. It has a basketball hoop, but
Speaker 1: it's never been used. Once again, I brought everything to
Speaker 1: just a screech. You did not What are you supposed
Speaker 1: to do? It? I just yes, mclovin. That would have
Speaker 1: been good if Karl Malone you're refused to take a shot.
Speaker 1: Not so much with Ben Simmons. Yes, set. One of
Speaker 1: the things that I love when somebody like this puts
Speaker 1: their house up is that then they write articles and
Speaker 1: show you pictures up the inside. I love when it's
Speaker 1: wall to wall pictures of themselves and their own jerseys.
Speaker 1: I know that is just so. Hilais got fifty seven
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons jersey's hanging up in there. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: his jersey him and then then it's just Ben Simmons
Speaker 1: on magazine covers. That's it. I mean, it's not like
Speaker 1: a Rod when a Rod had the Centurion, when it's
Speaker 1: half man, half horse, and that's in his house. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do have some things in here that you are
Speaker 1: of me. You have a TV show going on Ben Simmons,
Speaker 1: and that's just a house. It's just home. Come on
Speaker 1: in you want to see my artwork. Yeah, that's it
Speaker 1: right there. So anyway, I had this portrait of me.
Speaker 1: I've done a present to myself last year for my birthday.
Speaker 1: I remember I wore that jersey and yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: make a three pointer in that game either yes, MC.
Speaker 1: They also has a neon sign that says Simmo the
Speaker 1: Savage on it really, which, by the way, I think
Speaker 1: this whole house is cutting his trade value even more.
Speaker 1: He thinks of himself as Simmo the Savage, like I honestly,
Speaker 1: these photos are killing the trade. Look, okay, I wonder
Speaker 1: if he nicknamed himself that makes it bad Simo Simmo
Speaker 1: the Savage, Yeah, boy like Simmons the laid back lefty
Speaker 1: like he's not savage at all. That's the problem. No,
Speaker 1: but I guess he's meeting with management sometime this morning.
Speaker 1: The general manager for the Rockets, Sterrell Morey, did an
Speaker 1: interview yesterday and basically said he's not trading Ben Simmons.
Speaker 1: This give me four years. The conditions that I'm pointing
Speaker 1: out to you don't change unless Ben Simmons is traded
Speaker 1: for a difference Baker. We're in the prime of Joel's career.
Speaker 1: We have to get back either Ben Simmons playing well
Speaker 1: for us, who helps us win the championship, or we
Speaker 1: have to get back a difference Baker for Ben Simmons.
Speaker 1: Or this could be four years from now. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: in the prime of Joel Embach career. But then I
Speaker 1: also can look at this. I want to take advantage
Speaker 1: of that, and I don't think having Ben Simmons there
Speaker 1: is going to be taking advantage of Joe Lmbach's prime.
Speaker 1: To me, it hurts his prime. Now, I do want
Speaker 1: to get somebody who can help us win a championship.
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons doesn't want to be there. The problem is
Speaker 1: Daryl Morey doesn't. It's not his job to go. How
Speaker 1: do I make Ben Simmons happy by sending him someplace
Speaker 1: house that's rich Paul his agent's job. Daryl Morey's job
Speaker 1: is Okay, let's maintain, try to build better surround Joel
Speaker 1: Embiid and win a championship here. They should have traded
Speaker 1: him in the off season. Everybody talked about that he
Speaker 1: didn't want to be there, and then they had that foe. Hey,
Speaker 1: we want him back. Everybody wants him, and no, they
Speaker 1: didn't want him back, and they should have traded him
Speaker 1: in the off season. Now you have him. He says
Speaker 1: he's got a sore back, he doesn't want to play there. Now.
Speaker 1: I do think the ownership is looking at this around
Speaker 1: the NBA because Harden pulled this nonsense. Star players have
Speaker 1: done this where you know I'm gonna stomp my feet
Speaker 1: and I don't want to play here anymore. Okay, we'll act,
Speaker 1: we ask him, We'll trade you, I'll get it. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe Philly ownership is just saying nope, I'm gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You got, you got a contract here, live up to
Speaker 1: the contract, come on in and play. But it might
Speaker 1: be to the detriment of the team. That would be
Speaker 1: my issue with this. You got Joel Embiid, you got
Speaker 1: a pretty good roster, Doc Rivers. You know, what are
Speaker 1: you expecting for Ben Simmons? And it feels like now
Speaker 1: whatever you get is not going to be good enough
Speaker 1: because we keep waiting. Who's that difference maker you're going
Speaker 1: to get? Is CJ. McCollum, is Draymond Green? And one
Speaker 1: of the younger players with Golden State. Like, who's a
Speaker 1: difference maker? And if I'm a team, I'm not trading
Speaker 1: my difference maker for the guy that you think I
Speaker 1: should takes your different difference maker. You can't have it
Speaker 1: both ways here, you got damaged goods and therefore what
Speaker 1: you're asking for unless somebody gets desperate here, I would
Speaker 1: not be ponying up for Ben Simmons. The NBA seventy
Speaker 1: fifth Anniversary team selected by a panel of current and
Speaker 1: former NBA players, coaches, general managers. Panelists didn't rank their selections.
Speaker 1: Current and former players were not allowed to vote for themselves,
Speaker 1: as we often do. You have the seventy five players,
Speaker 1: but then we want to talk about those who are
Speaker 1: snubs here. And the point is, if you want to
Speaker 1: put somebody on, you have to take somebody off because
Speaker 1: you can't go. Tracy McGrady should be on there, Tony
Speaker 1: Parker should be on there, Vince Carter should be Okay,
Speaker 1: who are you taking off? That's really the most important
Speaker 1: part with all of this, because we do this with
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, and he's an All Star. Who
Speaker 1: are you taking off? And that's how you should approach this. Now,
Speaker 1: are there guys that I look at and say, I
Speaker 1: think he's one of the top seventy five players of
Speaker 1: all time? Sure, there are a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: on here, But who am I taking off? As much
Speaker 1: as I love Bill Walton, name my inner Mural team,
Speaker 1: the Walton Gang, one of my favorite people, he's not
Speaker 1: one of the top fifty seventy five players of all
Speaker 1: time in the NBA. He's just not wonderful player, college
Speaker 1: one of the all time greats. But Bill is not
Speaker 1: because he didn't have longevity, and I have to factor
Speaker 1: that in longevity consistency. Bill at a magical year in Portland.
Speaker 1: They beat the seventy sixers in one of the more
Speaker 1: star studded lineups with the seventy sixers. The following year,
Speaker 1: I think they were fifty and ten and maybe they
Speaker 1: were going to win another title. And then he had
Speaker 1: foot surgery and he never really recovered. Six Man of
Speaker 1: the Year with the Celtics with Larry Bird. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to be honest with this. And as much
Speaker 1: as I love Bill, he's not one of the top
Speaker 1: seventy five players of all time. Had he been healthy,
Speaker 1: he would be one of the top fifteen players. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, he was that incredible. But he's just he
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on there. Dwight Howard, I think the more
Speaker 1: the longer Dwight Howard played, I think it reduced his
Speaker 1: chances of being recognized as one of the great players.
Speaker 1: If he stopped at age thirty or maybe a little
Speaker 1: younger than that, then he might be on there. You know,
Speaker 1: Tony Parker is not considered a great point guard, one
Speaker 1: of the greats of all time, but he got four titles.
Speaker 1: I think he was a top five MVP, one of
Speaker 1: finals MVP, you know, you know Vince Carter, that consistency,
Speaker 1: the greatness, Bernard King, Like, there are just so many
Speaker 1: players that I see here. But you know, I've had
Speaker 1: people say, oh, Kyrie Irving is Kyrie. No, Kyrie Irving
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a top seventy five player of all time.
Speaker 1: Like he wanted out of Cleveland. Uh, he didn't help
Speaker 1: out Boston. Who knows what's going to happen with the nets.
Speaker 1: He can't stay healthy. He hit one of the biggest
Speaker 1: shots in NBA his three to win a title for Cleveland,
Speaker 1: but he's not Talent wise is one thing. Production and
Speaker 1: results is something different. Trisa McGrady, you know, probably is
Speaker 1: another one of those guys, you know, great they didn't win.
Speaker 1: But Kyrie, to me, as much as negative as he
Speaker 1: is a positive. Remember, he had his team in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: they didn't do anything, and then Lebron came back to town,
Speaker 1: and then he didn't like being second fiddles, so he
Speaker 1: goes to Boston and then what happens in Boston, Then
Speaker 1: he wants out of Boston, and then here he is
Speaker 1: with the Brooklyn So no, he's not a top seventy
Speaker 1: five players. Yeah, a couple of names that surprised me.
Speaker 1: No offense, you were you been more surprised if Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis made it or didn't make it. I was a
Speaker 1: little surprised he made it. No offense A little Um. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I have to this has to be how do you
Speaker 1: stack up with your contemporaries in my opinion, because Bob
Speaker 1: Kuzi's on here and then you're going to get this, Well,
Speaker 1: Bob Kuzi in today's game wouldn't be able to play.
Speaker 1: You're right, he wouldn't. But in his era, Bob Kuzi
Speaker 1: was a great player. And how would Couzy be today
Speaker 1: if he was able to take advantage of scouting condition
Speaker 1: private planes. You know, probably would be a different Bob
Speaker 1: Kuzi than you saw with the Celtics in the sixties.
Speaker 1: That's where it gets dangerous where you start to compare eras.
Speaker 1: I just have to look at when you played, how
Speaker 1: good were you and how did you compare with your
Speaker 1: contemporaries and Bob Couzi in the sixties. He's one of
Speaker 1: the all time greats. Yeah, Poe, here's one more and
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong. I was surprised that Robert
Speaker 1: Parrish of the Celtics made it. He was part of greatness.
Speaker 1: But I never found him to be the best player
Speaker 1: on his team, or maybe second best no offense. But
Speaker 1: he seems to be part of the story of NBA history.
Speaker 1: But I don't think Robert Parrish was a great basketball player.
Speaker 1: And I could be wrong, but you, yeah, they're just
Speaker 1: wonderful players on here. You know our good buddy Reggie
Speaker 1: Miller's on there as one of the top seventy five players.
Speaker 1: Dominique Wilkins, who should have been in the top fifty
Speaker 1: players of all time, got in in the top seventy five.
Speaker 1: Bob McAdoo, one of my favorites, got in the top
Speaker 1: seventy five. Yeah. I had a couple of questions about
Speaker 1: old timey guys, not two old times Billy Cunningham. I thought,
Speaker 1: I entertain he's a fifty like he was a sixth man, right,
Speaker 1: I tell you only it's four All Star appearances that
Speaker 1: would struck me as hot. And I'm a sixty fan
Speaker 1: Nate Archibald at definite um. Okay, I got to see
Speaker 1: Nate in Cincinnati and he was it was incredible, wonderful. Okay.
Speaker 1: You know when he went to Kansas City, Omaha Kings.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the numbers were in Cincinnati. He
Speaker 1: was a great player for one of the worst teams
Speaker 1: in the league and he led the league in scoring
Speaker 1: an assist one year. Two more quick ones Dave to
Speaker 1: Ushare with the Knicks yea, and Dave Cowens with the Celtics.
Speaker 1: I know he won a MVP. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're the greatest of all time. I feel like
Speaker 1: those are the names are. Dwight Howard could come at like,
Speaker 1: how can you say Dave Cowens was better than me?
Speaker 1: But but I think at the time Cowens. I think
Speaker 1: Cowens won an MVP, they won a title, and he
Speaker 1: was a really good center and he played for Boston.
Speaker 1: You know, Dave Debuscher played for the Knicks. That factors
Speaker 1: in as well. Who you played for did you win titles?
Speaker 1: But I don't know what the voting criteria was for
Speaker 1: this now. I don't know what they're factoring in. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: one guy was surprised that did make it, just because
Speaker 1: I thought the NBA might frown upon him. With Dennis Rodman,
Speaker 1: he did make the team, and I'm all in favorite,
Speaker 1: but I was a little surprised. Well, I think he
Speaker 1: was one of the most underrated then became one of
Speaker 1: the more overrated because he sort of bought into you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a great defender. When he played with the Bowls,
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was a great defense at all.
Speaker 1: I think he got overcovered and he became, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: what's what's his hair are going to look like? He
Speaker 1: wasn't anything on offense, and uh, he just got rebounds.
Speaker 1: That was it. But he created a brand, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the one of the first NBA players who
Speaker 1: became a brand when he's out there. And Rodman did
Speaker 1: that wonderfully. When he was with Detroit, he was a
Speaker 1: wonderful player. But with the Bulls, I thought that all
Speaker 1: they asked him to do was rebound. I can't put
Speaker 1: you in just because your rebound. Yeah, mclub one guy.
Speaker 1: We were kind of making out of Clay Thompson being
Speaker 1: so upset, But I got our Clay Thompson. I'd put
Speaker 1: in over Russell Westbrook maybe I think that's a close one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Russ one an MVP, had the whole triple double stuff.
Speaker 1: But Clay's gonna have the titles. Well I'd rather have
Speaker 1: Clay than Russ. But you know that, you know, shouldn't
Speaker 1: be Hey, uh, the answered there, But I don't know.
Speaker 1: One has titles. One does. One has the ability to
Speaker 1: be the second or third best player on his team
Speaker 1: and thrive. And Russ can't do that. Russ hasn't done that.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna find out with Russ with the Lakers,
Speaker 1: can he be the third best player on his team?
Speaker 1: Because normally it's like, hey, I'm the star, You're not
Speaker 1: the star. And Clay Thompson has been able to do
Speaker 1: that and make that team better. Who else anybody? Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see, Like, you know, I just remember these guys.
Speaker 1: Adrian Dantley was a six five guy. Maybe not even
Speaker 1: that he score on anybody, anybody. Alonzo Mourning was a
Speaker 1: wonderful player to Keim Bay. These are all snubs here.
Speaker 1: Alex English was instant off. Bernard King was one of
Speaker 1: the baddest dudes ever. I mean, if he didn't get hurt,
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable. I mean Bill Walton made it, but
Speaker 1: Bill won a title, won two titles. He won one
Speaker 1: with the Celtics. Do I think Bernard King's a better
Speaker 1: NBA player than Bill? I do? And I hate doing
Speaker 1: this because I truly love Bill Walton, But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest. I mean, Tony Parker had an
Speaker 1: unbelievable career. If he played in New York or LA,
Speaker 1: he'd be celebrated. It wouldn't be a question. He played
Speaker 1: in San Antono, manag gnobli temc plga saw. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many great players, but if you're going to
Speaker 1: put somebody on, who are you taking off? And I
Speaker 1: think that's really what it comes down to. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that this was voted on for the seventy fifth anniversary team.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be around for the one hundred. Maybe they'll
Speaker 1: let me vote the one hundredth anniversary team. And you
Speaker 1: have players and people voting on this who didn't even
Speaker 1: see some of these players that I got to see play.
Speaker 1: As I've said before, the only person I think I
Speaker 1: really mist was Bill Russell. I didn't get to see
Speaker 1: him in person. But Kuzy to Oscar to Wilt, you
Speaker 1: know those seventy six or teams. Hell, I saw pat
Speaker 1: Riley play, Jerry West, you name it, Earl Monroe able
Speaker 1: to see them, so I think, you know, having people
Speaker 1: who have perspective on some of these players, it is
Speaker 1: important when you have these lists. Yes, our buddy Chris
Speaker 1: mannox Is Fourth Illustrated tweet out a picture and said,
Speaker 1: snubbed NBA seventy five team and it's a Ricky Rubio.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is. Yeah, Ricky Rubio is only thirty one
Speaker 1: years of age. I think he's got like seven more
Speaker 1: teams left in him. He's probably gonna play for fifteen
Speaker 1: teams when it's all said and done, and not having
Speaker 1: an All Star appearance. All right, when we come back,
Speaker 1: mclovin has against the grain topic today. McLevin is a
Speaker 1: special scientific against the grains. You're gonna learn something, Dan,
Speaker 1: because I normally don't, all right, against the grain something scientific.
Speaker 1: I'm just say, if you have kids in the car,
Speaker 1: you might want to keep them in the car because
Speaker 1: this is a lesson. Oh okay, for the children. It's
Speaker 1: always for the kids. All right, Let's take a break
Speaker 1: here and we'll come back against the Grain back after this.
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Speaker 1: Premier League. They're gonna be at the LA Coliseum. Got
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Speaker 1: guest number seven, Mosala. All right, mclovin, you got your
Speaker 1: Against the Grain. Yes right, yeah, let's hit the music
Speaker 1: for Against the Grain with mclovin. So I'm calling this
Speaker 1: litmus test Sunday to term we often here, But does
Speaker 1: anyone know what a litmus test actually is? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you. I'm not even gonna make you, guys, guess
Speaker 1: it's a test for acidity or alkalinity using litmus, but
Speaker 1: don't turn like purple. Yeah, yeah, A little like thing
Speaker 1: you dunk it in and then it turns of coloraud Yeah.
Speaker 1: Does anyone here know what alkalinity is? It probably is
Speaker 1: related to alkaline played for the Detroit Tigers. Alkaline alkaline. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a buffering capacity of a water body, a measure
Speaker 1: of the ability of the water body and neutralize acids
Speaker 1: and basis and thus maintain a fairly stable pH level. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you know what a pH level is? I could
Speaker 1: go on for hours with this. It's atential of hydrogen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, here are five litmus test games, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to determine are these teams alkaline or acidic? Wait,
Speaker 1: which one's positive? I don't know. I want to say
Speaker 1: acidic is the bad one. Okay, that sounds a little right, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: Bengals Ravens a litmus test game. I think that the
Speaker 1: Bengals are going to come out of this alkaline a Okay,
Speaker 1: here's my theory. The Ravens got torn apart by Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz a couple of weeks ago. Should have lost that
Speaker 1: game by but their field goal kicker and the Colts
Speaker 1: got hurt and they got lucky to beat the Lions.
Speaker 1: They do a lot. They're a great team, they're really good,
Speaker 1: but they're do a loss. I like my Cincinnati Bengals again.
Speaker 1: I'm back on the bandwagon. Yeah all right. And by
Speaker 1: the way, remember that headline, Jamar Chase can't catch? Was
Speaker 1: he baiting us the whole preseason? I don't know, because
Speaker 1: I received some responses from people saying, I thought you
Speaker 1: said he was going to be the best receiver, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought so. Yeah, I didn't know that he couldn't
Speaker 1: pick up the football when he was on the field.
Speaker 1: But now he's setting a rookie records, so he's good.
Speaker 1: All right. Bears Bucks litmus Test game Paul's Chicago Bears Acid.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why have you ever seen the track?
Speaker 1: More angry? Hall of Fame quarterbacks on the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's still mad because people are making fun of
Speaker 1: his four fingers from last year against the Bears. He
Speaker 1: is coming out on a mission on Sunday, and he
Speaker 1: is going to beat up on the Bears. Big test
Speaker 1: for Justin Fields. By the way, by the way, Tom
Speaker 1: Brady did talk about that matchup facing an Ohio State quarterback.
Speaker 1: I just hate a minute. Okay, we'll just talk them. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got it. Okay, here's Tom Brady the same thing.
Speaker 1: Too inflammatory about Ohio State. That's what you're getting to do.
Speaker 1: But I'll have my time usually oh State. This is
Speaker 1: Michigan State weeks. I can kind of those are the
Speaker 1: guys that I can kind of go after. Um, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Why why is there not a lot of our house
Speaker 1: stead quarterbacks in the pros. There's a lot of Michigan
Speaker 1: guys over the years, but not a lot of old
Speaker 1: house Steak guys. Okay, I like the shot, taking a
Speaker 1: little shot their Yampaul. I don't know if you could
Speaker 1: ever come back at Brady for his pro career, but
Speaker 1: if you want to say I don't remember you playing
Speaker 1: at Michigan, that could work in this scenario. Okay, I
Speaker 1: can't make fun of the purer. All right, We now
Speaker 1: refill our regular schedule program. Okay. The next litmus test
Speaker 1: game is Eagles Raiders. Now, I'm not sure who. This
Speaker 1: is a litmus test for the Eagles, who are facing
Speaker 1: a November second trade deadline and they have to decide
Speaker 1: are we giving away our star quarterback Darius Slay. So
Speaker 1: they need to win. The Raiders they benefited from what
Speaker 1: is now being called the Bisaccia bump last week. Interim
Speaker 1: coach Rich Bisaccia is getting them fired up. I'm going
Speaker 1: to say the Eagles are a bit acidic right now.
Speaker 1: They seem like a mess, and the Raiders come out
Speaker 1: of this with hope for the twenty twenty one season.
Speaker 1: All right, two more Dolphins Falcons. We're all tuning in
Speaker 1: for this one. This is alkaline or acidic. If the
Speaker 1: Dolphins lose this game, what does that mean for Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson Trey Ruvers. I'm sitting here trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Does that mean they want him because they're so bad
Speaker 1: or they don't want him because they're going nowhere without him?
Speaker 1: I ask you, I have no idea. Well, I still
Speaker 1: think you have to have an identity for that franchise,
Speaker 1: and I think that this owner, being in his eighties,
Speaker 1: wants to have something there that, you know, even though
Speaker 1: it might not be something good to have, you know,
Speaker 1: happen right now, given Deshaun Watson's profile. But I do
Speaker 1: think it'll it'll amp it up a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Even if they lose this game and they're one and six,
Speaker 1: then they can still justify this trade. Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: you don't worry about if you have to sit in
Speaker 1: for eight games because you're not any good. So it's
Speaker 1: not like you're sort of tanking. You already have to
Speaker 1: give up your draft pick to the Eagles. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, last game, the Litmus Test game, Chiefs at Titans.
Speaker 1: I think this is all of our favorite game of
Speaker 1: the weekend. I'm gonna say the Titans are alkaline, which
Speaker 1: is the good one. They have a very stable pH level.
Speaker 1: They're six point underdogs. Can't you see Dereck Henry running
Speaker 1: all over the Chiefs on this one? Yeah? But you
Speaker 1: just try a big win against the Buffalo Bills, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So can you replicate that against the Kansas City I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean this is in Tennessee, right, I
Speaker 1: believe so? Yes? Yeah, So Kansas City is favored in
Speaker 1: Tennessee by six and a half. Wow, I actually I
Speaker 1: see it as six on this list I'm looking at
Speaker 1: right now in Tennessee. Yeah, so here's you always go again.
Speaker 1: You're going against the Green because everyone's high on the
Speaker 1: Titans right now because they saw him in a primetime game.
Speaker 1: You're saying that makes you a bit nervous. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's Kansas City feels a little more desperate. The Titans
Speaker 1: played extremely well beating Buffalo, but it's like Buffalo and
Speaker 1: Buffalo beat Kansas City and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, Buffalo, we're all on the bench, and
Speaker 1: then Buffalo loses. Now it's like, guy, oh the Titans.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think their wide receivers are healthy?
Speaker 1: Is do I expect Derrick Henry to have a big day.
Speaker 1: He should, But it feels like Kansas City they're favored
Speaker 1: for a reason. Going back to it by the Ravens
Speaker 1: Bengals game, I saw quote from Lamar Jackson saint we're
Speaker 1: not looking past the Bengals. We would never look past
Speaker 1: the Bengals and a dnomy are they looking past the
Speaker 1: Bengals's whatever? A quarterback says that that means they're looking
Speaker 1: past them. So you might want it out on the Bengals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't because Cincinnati is they're competitive. We've seen that,
Speaker 1: and you haven't been able to say that about Cincinnati
Speaker 1: for a while. Does anyone here remember what pH was?
Speaker 1: From the beginning of this segment Science Quiz Friday, bosphorus Todd,
Speaker 1: phum tells you that you basic the acidity or the
Speaker 1: basicness of something. No, what's the pH stand for? Oh,
Speaker 1: Todd was definitely God, weren't you listening? I don't remember
Speaker 1: what the pH? No, Todd, you weren't listening. I remember
Speaker 1: with the definition of pH, but you weren't listening. I
Speaker 1: guess I missed that book. Yeah, and he can't. I'm
Speaker 1: hiding my computer screen so he can't cheat off at
Speaker 1: this time? All right? Does that? Is that against the
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Speaker 1: NBC and Peacock. Yes, Maclen, that was a sneaky line
Speaker 1: about al Ka line. You definitely would have cheated off
Speaker 1: me in science class. Yeah, probably in tenth grade. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would have. Yes, I would have, and I might
Speaker 1: have passed you the ball like I would have found
Speaker 1: you if you and Paul were graded on like sports
Speaker 1: stats knowledge, like in eleventh grade, probably would have been
Speaker 1: Ivy League. Oh. I would have been Suma cum laude. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: although for years this is a smart I am. I
Speaker 1: thought Magnu kum laude was better than Suma cum laude.
Speaker 1: Does it sound like, Man, I'm Magna cum laude. That
Speaker 1: does sound it's like your Summa cum la like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like an Ish Fritzie always says he's jew Ish.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of Jews. I go for the high Holy
Speaker 1: Days on suma ish magna. Doesn't it That sounds like
Speaker 1: more impressive? Yeah? Right? Final hour coming up. More phone calls,
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