1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Tonight's classic is a personal favorite. We set out to 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: we set out to do a folklore episode about a 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: legendary race of giants in North America, and we don't 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: always get to say this, but we figured this one out. 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: I'm convinced we actually found the answer. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Matt poop Oh, Yes, indeed, it's venturea in Nature calls. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Everything we know. 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: About this came from that film directly. That's not true, Ben, 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: You've always been such a fan of giants, just in 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: your writing. It's such a cool thing, especially the idea 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: of like a secret race of them. 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's really weird because you know, folklore is 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: a historical snapshot, right, It's a way to learn about history, 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: and a lot of times folklore comes to us through 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: a long telephone game, and it's often communicated through symbolism 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: or metaphor. But these were actually giants, Like, there is 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: not a metaphor here in the surviving folklore. The people 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: and communities that we're talking about. The Sete Caw were 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: very blunt and very emphatically saying, yes, giants are real. 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: They eat people, and we had to wipe them out, 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: grind our bones to make their bread. 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: Here we go from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back 24 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. 25 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the show. My name is Noel, 26 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: and our compatriot Matt is on vacation. I think we 27 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: could say he's on vacation. Is that where he is? Yeah, 28 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: that's I just knew he wasn't here. Yeah, he and 29 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: his family have I don't know how much he wants 30 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: me to say about this, but they're on a nice 31 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: holiday vacation. That's lovely. He deserves it. If anyone deserves 32 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: a vacation, it's our boy, Matt. Agreed. Agreed. And in 33 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: the meantime they call me Ben. We were joined with 34 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission controlled decadt. Most importantly, you 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff 36 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Now. How familiar were 37 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: you growing up with Native American mythology or oral tradition. 38 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: Just Native American tradition in general, or. 39 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: Specifically folklore, folklore, or the legends of gods and monsters. 40 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: You know, I think I probably grew up with more 41 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: of a grasp of like Greek mythology than Native American mythology, 42 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: for sure. I remember, you know, reading stories about like Hiawatha, 43 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: for example, that was a real, real historical figure. 44 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: Right, the founder of the Iroquois Confederacy, or a co 45 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: founder rather, it's right. It's interesting because often depending on 46 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: where you are in the world or where you are 47 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: in the US, you will not learn an extensive amount 48 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: of info about Native American folkloric or spiritual or mythological traditions. 49 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is that thousands of 50 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: years before the first Europeans ever reached the continents that 51 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: would become known as North and South America, native civilizations 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: rose and fell, creating rich traditions of architecture, agriculture, and 53 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: of course cultural beliefs. While each of these spiritual or 54 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: historical traditions was unique, their stories shared many of the 55 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: same traits that other cultures shared. You know, the lands 56 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: were filled with gods or monsters and spirits, both good 57 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: and evil. Animals often represented some certain moral compass or 58 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, perspective on life, and there were legendary heroes. 59 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: There were sacred days that were of course origin stories 60 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: of the people creating the traditions and their enemies and more. 61 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: And there were also stories of other tribes or communities 62 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: or civilizations. Like one thing that's strange is it doesn't 63 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: happen all the time. But in many ancient cultures, the 64 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 1: word that the people used to describe themselves translates directly 65 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: to just the people, or the real people or the 66 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: true people. Yeah, and everyone else is somehow othered, yes, 67 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: exactly othered. And in a lot of cases, these stories 68 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: that concern other tribes or communities might be stories explaining 69 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: the animosity between a neighboring tribe or how they got 70 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: a weird name, like the fish eater people or something. 71 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: Or there might be stories that feature a single member 72 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: of a distant tribe a stranger coming to town. But 73 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: in some other cases, more cases than they might think, 74 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: there were stories of intelligent beings that interacted with us 75 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: that were not gods, but we're not quite human. And 76 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: today's episode is about one of these groups. The how 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: best to say this, the allegedly legendary Sea te Ka. 78 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Oh I like that good alliteration, man, thanks no, thanks no, 79 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: so see Teka see Teka. So the story of the 80 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: Sea Teka. They have several other names comes from allegedly 81 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: the oral history of the Northern Paiute people. They're a 82 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: numic tribe that traditionally that happened to live in what 83 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: we would now call western California, western Nevada, and southeast Oregon. Yeah, 84 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: that's right. 85 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: They lived in lands centered on a lake or in wetlands. 86 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: Uh. 87 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: And they existed and roved in bands who would team 88 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: up and have these communal hunts, and members would move 89 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: freely between these bands of hunters, and they would share 90 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: this super rich and fascinating. 91 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: Oral tradition m h. And in this tradition, according to 92 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: the story, the Paiute told tales of a nearby ancient 93 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: antagonistic tribe known as the se tech Ka, the Saiduca, 94 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: or the Sae. And according to these legends, the sea 95 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: Teka were a tribe of cannibalistic giants. It's weird because 96 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: the name se Tekka doesn't mean anything. It doesn't signify 97 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: anything about gigantism, nor does it signify anything about consuming 98 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: human flesh. Instead, the phrase literally means tool eaters t 99 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: ul e in the language of the Paiute, and tool 100 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: is a fibrous water plant. We'll explain how this comes 101 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: into play later. But what's the gist of this legend? 102 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: How do they show up in this story? 103 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you ben. The gist of this legend 104 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: is as follows. After being terrorized by these terrifying, cannibalistic 105 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: ten foot tall, redheaded giants, the Paiute had enough and 106 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: they went to war. And this battle was incredibly long 107 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: and incredibly bloody, but eventually, by pitching in and throwing 108 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: their lot in together, the Piute prevailed. The Sea Tecon 109 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: attempted to make a getaway very cleverly from the Payute 110 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: by living on rafts that seems a little bit misinformed, 111 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: just that couldn't swim, But this was also related to 112 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: a legend that had they had crossed the ocean to 113 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: the Americas on these rafts as well, before ending up 114 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: in the desert area of western Nevada. 115 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: Eventually, a coalition of tribes, possibly with communities other than 116 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: the Payout bands joining in, trapped the remaining Sea Techa 117 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: in a nearby cave, and when these giants refused to 118 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: come outside, the Paiute piled brush before the cave mouth 119 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: and set it on fire. The entire population of Sea 120 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: Techa ended up dying inside. You'll hear people say that 121 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: some of them made a run for it and ran 122 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: through the fire, only to be speared or shot with 123 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: arrows or murdered by the people waiting outside. And this 124 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: is pretty gruesome stuff, right, I mean, according to the story, 125 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: the tribes didn't just seal off the cave and bury 126 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: these folks alive. They also raised any traces of Setechkas 127 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: settlements to the ground, and they wanted to erase them 128 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: from history. Right except for this story, right, And ordinarily 129 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: this story would just stay that a story, startling, fascinating, 130 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: ultimately unprovable. I mean, ten foot cannibals, right, Come on, 131 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: I like it. I like it as a story for sure. Yeah. Yeah, 132 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: But wouldn't they have left some traces? Where's the proof? 133 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: Here's the thing? What if someone else found the cave? 134 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: Will answer that question? After a word from our sponsor. 135 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. 136 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: In nineteen eleven, a few people did think they discovered 137 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: the actual resting place of the see Teka in western Nevada, 138 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: on the outskirts of the Humboldt Sink is this small cave. 139 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: It's hot and it's dry, and it's isolated. But it 140 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: wasn't always that way right. 141 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: This was once part of an enormous lake called Lake Lahontan. 142 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: It's applies to Senerra Lake that was round maybe thirteen 143 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: thousand years ago, and at the time it was one 144 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: of the largest lakes on this continent. But it eventually 145 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: dried up and it left a number of smaller lakes. 146 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: Among these was Humboldt Lake, and this cave was on 147 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: the shore or is on the shore of this lake. Today, 148 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: as you're listening to this episode, you can reach the 149 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: cave yourself. You just drive down a dirt road from 150 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: the small town of nearby Lovelock, Nevada. This cave takes 151 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: its name from the town, and most people today also 152 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: call it Lovelock Cave. It has a couple of other names, 153 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: but Lovelock is its go to moniker. In nineteen eleven, 154 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: there was a pair of guano miners from the town 155 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: of Lovelock who were hunting guano deposits, which was quite 156 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: a profitable thing to sell at the time. They discovered 157 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: that the cave, as a result of being sealed off 158 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: to a great extent, had accumulated a huge population of bats, 159 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: which leads to over time vast deposits of guano. So 160 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: they spent a year digging out this guano and shipping 161 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: it to a buyer in San Francisco. And at first 162 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: they were thinking, wow, we struck it rich. There's this 163 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: huge pile of guano. But as they started to dig 164 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: the stuff out, they found more and more ancient artifacts 165 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: that were mixed in the batpoop. And eventually, most of 166 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: the time when they were doing when they were mining 167 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: this stuff, they would just find like a shard of 168 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: pottery or a sandal or something, just throw it outside 169 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: the cave in a little pile of rubbish. But they 170 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: got to the point where there were they were finding 171 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: more artifacts than they were finding guano, and it became 172 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: less profitable. So in nineteen twelve they said, you know 173 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: what are we doing. This is we've gone like a 174 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: meter or so down into the ground and there's more 175 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: stuff from this unknown ancient civilization. Then there is bat poop. 176 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: And let's be honest, dude, we're here for the poop. 177 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: So let's get some professional help. And they contacted the 178 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: University of California. The university sent an anthropologist named Llewellyn L. Loud. 179 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: I thought you'd like that name. I love the name Lluellen. 180 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: Did you know that about me? I know a lot 181 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: and Loud and. 182 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: Just paired that's first of all ticks, all my alliteration boxes. 183 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: You've got Llewellen, l Loud, Loud is an amazing last name. Yeah, 184 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: Llewellen is a man's name, right. 185 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: Wasn't that the name of the dude in the country Davis? 186 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: That's Lewin Davis. I think, as was leu Allen, the 187 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: main dude in No Country for old Man. I think 188 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: his name was Lewellen injury. 189 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: I think you might be right. Yeah, it's been a 190 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: while since I saw that, but that's a great, great film. 191 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: So they said this guy, this anthropologist, doctor Loud, also 192 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: a great nickname. To check it out. And what does 193 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: he ended up finding. 194 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: We found a lot of things, about ten thousand individual 195 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: artifacts from that rubbish sheep in different parts of the caves. 196 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: It was mostly along the walls where miners had kind 197 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: of ignored and not cut into. And Loud's workload was 198 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: such that it took him like seventeen years before he 199 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: was finally able to publish an account of all of 200 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: these findings. 201 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it may sound like it took 202 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: him forever. But this was a herculean task. What we 203 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: now know is that the earliest evidence of human habitation 204 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: in this cave goes back about four thousand years, and 205 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: that's according to the radiocarbon dating of the oldest artifacts. 206 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: Today's anthropologist call these people whomever they may have been, 207 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: the Lovelock Culture, and the time in which they lived 208 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: was referred to as the Lovelock Period. It lasted three 209 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: thousand years, during which they left us all these artifacts 210 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: that you mentioned, nol. We're talking about baskets crafted with 211 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: a pretty impressive degree of sophistication, these ancient duck decoys 212 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: made from fibers of that same plant, tool and sagebrush, 213 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: sandals and so on. They think the cave was experiencing 214 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: its heydays somewhere between fifteen hundred BCE until four forty, 215 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: when a collapse cut off the easiest access to most 216 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: of the cave. And by the time that collapse had occurred, 217 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: this group we call the Lovelock Culture had been supplanted 218 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: by the Paiute, and the Piute's name for these predecessors 219 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: was Saidaku, literally translated to tool matt house dwellers. I 220 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: mean they lived in those they lived in huts made 221 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: of that stuff. I have a good literal descriptive translation 222 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: like that. A lot of the names that they have 223 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: for different bands or communities are descriptions of what they eat, 224 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: like the fish eaters. There's the brine fly ears. Really, 225 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. They sound like they 226 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: were living the roughest. 227 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: Like yeah, it does sound like a brine flies. 228 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the PIU, once they take over this cave, 229 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: they continue using it until eighteen twenty nine when Europeans 230 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: and European descended people begin populating the region and they 231 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: are all killed off or driven away the PIUT that 232 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: is in eighteen thirty three, when an expedition led by 233 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: a guy named Joseph Walker explores the area. 234 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: So there is a real cave and the civilization or 235 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: a civilization existed in the area before the PIU. But 236 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: how does the rest of the story a checkout? Like 237 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: the whole you know, redheaded cannibalistic giants, sitch. 238 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: That's the thing. Yeah, there are a few issues. The 239 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: first and the biggest issue is that, according to more 240 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: skeptical researchers like Brian Dunning over at Skeptoid, there is 241 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: no actual piut story about this group. There are he 242 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: notes stories about lone giants that pop up, but there's 243 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: nothing actually about some group of people called the Sea Techca. However, 244 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: there is one account from eighteen eighty three by an 245 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: author named Sarah Winnemuka Hopkins. She's the daughter of a 246 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: Piot chief named Winnemuka, and in her book Life among 247 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: the Piot's Wrongs and Claims, she tells the story. We 248 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: have an extensive excerpt of this, so I'll just paraphrase 249 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: it here. She tells a story of a among the 250 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: traditions of our people is one of a small tribe 251 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: of barbarians who used to live along the Humboldt River. 252 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: This is many hundred years ago. She says, they used 253 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: to waylay my people and kill them and eat them, 254 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: and they would even eat their own dead. They would 255 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: come and dig up our dead after they were buried, 256 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: carry them off and eat them. And now and then 257 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: they would come and make war on my people. They 258 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: would fight, and as fast as they killed one another 259 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: on either side, the women from their tribe would carry 260 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: off the dead to consume them. So at last the 261 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: Piot make war on them. There were about twenty six 262 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: hundred of these Sea Teca and the war lasted three years. 263 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: And then Hopkins goes on to say, we did kill 264 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: them in great numbers. We saw that they fled to 265 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: the bush. We set the bush on fire. Then they 266 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: tried to make boats to live on the lake or 267 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: rafts to live on the lake. And her people would 268 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: ring around the lake and would kill anyone who came 269 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: on land. And then finally they all managed to get 270 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: to land on the east side of the lake. They 271 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: went to a cave and then they got cornered and 272 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: the payout, according to Hopkins, again came to them and said, look, 273 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: will you be cool? Will you not eat people like 274 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: coyotes or beast or scavengers? Please righte that'd be super swell. 275 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: And they said no, we're not going to give it up. 276 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: This is what we do. 277 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: And then once you get a taste for human meat, ben, 278 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: we all know that you can't go back. 279 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Always stunning Philadelphia talks about it. That's what the 280 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: Weddigo legends about. But apparently they started to gather wood 281 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: to fill up the mouth of the cave, and then 282 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: they came back to the Seteka and gave them one 283 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: more chance they said, will you give up and be 284 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: like men and not eat people like beast? Say it quickly, 285 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: and we will put out this fire. But they had 286 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: either refused to talk to them, or they had gone 287 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: too deep in the cavern to hear people talking at 288 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: the entrance. So no answer came, and the fire burned. 289 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: And in ten days some people went back to see 290 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: if the fire had gone out. They said they must 291 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: all be dead. There was a horrible smell. This tribe 292 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: was called people eaters. And after that. 293 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: Were they what's the thing, the one eyed, three toad 294 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: flying purple people eaters. 295 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, one eyed, one horn, one horn. That's that's it. Yeah, 296 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: they called them people eaters. And they say, according to Hopkins, 297 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: that the tribe they exterminated had reddish hair. And she 298 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: said that she has some of this hair. It's been 299 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: passed down from father to son. But she has it 300 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: in a dress, a dress that is ringed with red hair, 301 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: that was a morning dress. But no, the trail goes 302 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: dead there. We don't know. There's no picture of the dress. 303 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: We don't know if anyone's seen it. And that's not 304 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: the only issue with the story. No, it's definitely not. 305 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: We will get to some more of those holes after 306 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: one more quick sponsor break. 307 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: So first. 308 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: As often happens with stories like this, there are no 309 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: actual giant humanoid bones available for viewing today, which I find. 310 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: To be a shame. 311 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 2: According to one of the miners, the best specimens were 312 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: taken by a local fraternal order Amazons. 313 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, who. 314 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 2: Boiled them clean to use in and misonic initiation rituals. 315 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: Right right. And according to the reports of what doctor 316 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: Loud actually found, there were sixty mummies that were onearthed, 317 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: but they were of average height, some of the world's 318 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: oldest duck decoys. One of the big things they found 319 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: was a sandal that was over fifteen inches long, so 320 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: someone with really really big feet, right. They found doughnut 321 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: shaped stone with three hundred and sixty five notches carved 322 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: along the outside fifty two carved inside. Some people think 323 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: that's a calendar. They also found a human femur dating 324 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: back to fourteen fifty BC, human muscle dating to fourteen 325 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: twenty BC, and basketry dating back to twelve eighteen. They 326 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: found a bunch of stuff, and during the initial excavations 327 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: there were these reports of mummified remains being found of 328 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: two red haired giants. One they said was a female 329 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: skeleton six and a half feet tall, and the other 330 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: was a male over eight feet tall. However, not only 331 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: is as you said, not only is there no evidence 332 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: we can find about this today physical evidence at least, 333 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: but no one mentions giants in those original tales or 334 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: the original discoveries, or even Hopkins recollection, because again she 335 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: tells that story that sounds pretty familiar to us, but 336 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: she calls them barbarians and cannibals, not giants. The first 337 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: mention of giants doesn't occur until a nineteen thirty one 338 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: newspaper article, not some ancient legend, and then there are 339 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: some other authors. As you say, it's possible that because 340 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: of the because of the amount of large megafauna fossils 341 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: that could be around that area, they could have just 342 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 1: found the bone of a large or ancient animal and 343 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: thought this is the leg of a giant person. 344 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: I mean, a femur bone doesn't look that different between 345 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: like say, some sort of giant cat and a human. 346 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly. But then we get to the question 347 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: of the hair, because the red hair thing seems to 348 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: be pretty consistent. Is it a red hairing. It's you 349 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: know what it is, It exactly is, and that's a 350 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: great way to put it. So Naturally, dark hair over 351 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: time has a tendency to fade to red in certain conditions, 352 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: and that's part of the reason why you will see 353 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: so many stories of red haired mummies being found in 354 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: ancient burial grounds around the world. It's because the amount 355 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: of time that they are interred can affect the rate 356 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: of decay or appearance of the color of their hair. 357 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: So they very well may be red haired now, but 358 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: most of the red haired mummies you hear about originally 359 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: had very dark hair. 360 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: So is it about like getting bleached and discolored by 361 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: exposure to the sun or are there other factors at play? 362 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it appears to be a chemical reaction as the 363 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: hair d natures. This means that exposure to certain temperatures 364 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: or certain chemicals present in soil can change the chemical 365 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: composition of the hair and change the way at which 366 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: it would decay. I see. So it removes some of 367 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: that pigment or it alters it. So it's a fascinating thing. 368 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: But the key element here is that these people don't 369 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: art off with red hair, which is relatively rare throughout 370 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: our species, right. I guess you and I both have 371 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of red hair. Matt probably has the 372 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: most of us. 373 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: I only have a little bit. It's in my beard 374 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: and in the parts that used to be red are 375 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: now turning gray. So I guess they're becoming denatured themselves 376 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: a different way. I don't know, in a different way, right, 377 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 2: So there you have it. Today, many of those original 378 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 2: artifacts found at the Lovelock Cave can be viewed at 379 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 2: a small natural history museum located in winnim Muca, Nevada. 380 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: And then some of the other objects are at the Smithsonian, 381 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: like there's ancient duck decoys and the basketry and bones, 382 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: or in the Nevada State Museum. One thing you will 383 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: not find in any museum, at least that we have 384 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 2: been able to as so far as we've been able 385 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: to ascertain, are any trace of giant humans or a 386 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: race of giant humans, a tribe, a species, a community 387 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: or band of giant humans. 388 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: But we do have one more thing. We had to 389 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: save it for last. You see, the myth of the 390 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: se Tekka is not completely busted. Miners and archaeologists did 391 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: find something else in Lovelock Cave, human bones that have 392 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: been split to allow for the extraction of marrow, Human 393 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: bones that have been processed the same way the bones 394 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: of an animal would have been processed. They may not 395 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: have been giants who ever lived here in this Lovelock culture, 396 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: but these people did. It turns out practice cannibalism at 397 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: the very least in times of famine, and who knows 398 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: nol Perhaps it was a situation where at first they 399 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: ate human flesh because they had to, and then later 400 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: they developed a taste for it. Either way, at least 401 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: according to one source, Sarah Hopkins, the payute objected and 402 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: drove them to extinction. 403 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 2: It's definitely a fascinating legend. I love the idea of giants, 404 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: as I know you do. 405 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: Ben. 406 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: It's something that I think you're fond of in fiction, 407 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: and this idea of some sort of proto man that 408 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: roamed the earth that was some kind of species of giant. 409 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: I'm also a big fan of Andre the Giant. 410 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's true that giganticism does occur in the 411 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: human species throughout the world as a result of genetic mutation. 412 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: It's also true that some parts of the in some 413 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: regions of the world people on average will tend to 414 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: be much taller. I think the Netherlands are somewhere in 415 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: northern Europe that's the place where people on average are 416 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: the tallest, and the Philippines, I believe, is where people 417 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: on average are the shortest. But again those averages can 418 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: be deceiving. There are also some fascinating reports from early 419 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: Spanish explorers in South America who swear up and down 420 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: that they've met first or second hand actual giants, like 421 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: people so large that an average person of let's say 422 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: five ten to six feet tall would have only come 423 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: up to their waists. 424 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 2: What's the cutoff here though, because Andre the giant was 425 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: I want to say seven something. And we had some 426 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: stats talking about the couple that was found supposedly in 427 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 2: this story where the female was only six and a 428 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 2: half feet tall and the male was like eight something, 429 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: which isn't super giant. That's a little taller than Andre, 430 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: but it's not, you know, so tall that an average 431 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: height man would be like knee high to a bed 432 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: bugs by exactly. 433 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: And also, if they were giants, how did this war 434 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: go on for three years? And how were the seed 435 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: Teka always on the run. It sounds like maybe they were, 436 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: if there is truth to Again, the only primary source 437 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 1: we have for this is Era Winnimuka Hopkins. If they existed, 438 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: they were probably just practicing objectionable cannibalism. So for now, 439 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: as today's episode ends, we can say with confidence only 440 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: that the tallest record the tallest person in recorded history 441 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: is Robert Wadlow, at eight feet eleven inches tall, and 442 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: he was not a fierce warrior. He suffered from a 443 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: medical condition that made it incredibly painful for him to 444 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: walk around, at least for now. Because you know, there 445 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: are people out there who believe that various museums and 446 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: secret institutions have been suppressing knowledge of giants since time immemorial. 447 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: And this is not the first time we've investigated historical 448 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: tales of lost civilizations or giants. Perhaps we will find 449 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: some proof in another episode. I would love that, Ben, 450 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: I would love that too, NOL. In the meantime, thank 451 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: you so much for tuning in. As always, we hope 452 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this exploration of this seat tech. 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