1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with me 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: your Girl, Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the home Bunker. Folks. 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: It is our holiday week at WOKF and as we 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: wind down seven incredible years of bringing you interviews and 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: information and content, I've wanted to revisit some of the 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: most important conversation I think that we've had on WOKF 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and so I'm excited to revisit this conversation with my 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: co host of Democracy Ish, which is live on my 9 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: YouTube channel Fridays at twelve pm Eastern, with my friend 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: jahahat Ali. In this episode from last year, we talk 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: about the self destructiveness of white supremacy and if you remember, 12 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: at this time back in twenty twenty three, the NAACP 13 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: had issued a travel advisory on the state of Florida 14 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: as Ron DeSantis' fascist agenda began to take hold. The 15 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: NAACP and what would follow are some LGBTQ organizations that 16 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: would say that Florida ain't safe for us, and so 17 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: you may want to be advised. And in this conversation, 18 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Jase and I unpack white supremacy and you know how 19 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: we are going to navigate through this very self destructive, 20 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: self eating, self defeating ideology. And you know this comes 21 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: right now with a couple of weeks until Donald Trump 22 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: takes the oath that we know that he will break 23 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: as soon as he puts his hand on that Bible 24 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: to give a damn about our constitution to uphold it. 25 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: And we know that Donald Trump could care less about 26 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: our constitution. And frankly, right now it doesn't even seem 27 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: like he's actually the president elect. It more so seems 28 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: like Elon Muskiz. Has anybody heard from JD Vance? Probably not? 29 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: So Buckle up as we revisit this conversation, because sometimes 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: going backwards helps us figure out our path forward. Folks, 31 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: I am always very excited when I get to bring 32 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: on my co host, my weekly co host of a 33 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: Democracy Ishaha hot al Lee, who is an author, a 34 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: columnist and all around badass on Twitter. If you have 35 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: not read his book go back to where you come 36 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: from and other helpful tips you should And if you're 37 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: loving wokf daily on iHeart, you should absolutely check out 38 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: Democracy Ish, which drops new episodes each and every Thursday 39 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: with Waja Hot and I and some really amazing, amazing 40 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: guests that we get into conversation with SOA was you know, 41 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: first of all, I just America. You know, I'll just 42 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: start there America and then slap my head and we 43 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: can just go from there. But over the weekend, the 44 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: NAACP issued a really intense warning to black people in 45 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: America and members of other marginalized groups in saying that 46 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: you should be wary of traveling to the state of Florida, 47 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: that Florida is essentially a hate state, that it is 48 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: a dangerous state for black people, for LGBTQ people, for women. 49 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: It was lengthy, it was necessary, and it harkens back 50 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: to essentially a time in this country during Jim Crow 51 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: segregation where Black Americans had to if they were traveling, 52 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: they got something called a green book Juaja hot Ali. 53 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: They got a green book at different gas stations in 54 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: different places of respites in between their travels from the 55 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: North throughout the South that would signal to them in 56 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: providing great detail places that would accept their money and 57 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: their presence as black people, whether it was at a 58 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: restaurant or a gas station or a hotel. And traveling 59 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: was so precarious and could end up resulting in a lynching, 60 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: a rape, a robbery, a beating, all of these things, 61 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: that the Green Book was necessary created by Victor Green, 62 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: a postal worker who created this and printed it himself 63 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: and was disseminated throughout the South. And so here we 64 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: are fast forward to twenty twenty three, where the nacious, 65 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: longest and oldest civil rights organization has made this stark warning. 66 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: How did that land with you? 67 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: I thought The Green Book was a movie where Vigo 68 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 2: Mortensen was taught by Mahershala Ali how to write letters 69 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: to his wife and then they and then they had 70 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: been Ali Weather. Oh yeah, my bad. Sorry. Look. I 71 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: think the NAACP should be joined by the National Organization 72 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: of Women, who should give an advisory to women who 73 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: want to go to Florida because Ron DeSantis, the wet 74 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: noodle that we have always said that he is on 75 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: our other podcast, has now restricted abortions after six weeks. 76 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: I think GLAD or any organization that represents LGBTQ plus 77 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: communities should also issue an advisory because don't say gay. 78 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: I think educators and librarians should all so issue an 79 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: advisory because they're banning books, they're banning ap African American studies, 80 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: they're silencing academics and they're threatening librarians. And I also 81 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 2: think any group that tries to protect immigrants, especially on 82 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: document immigrants, should also issue an advisory warning because with 83 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: the new anti immigration bill, which none enough people are 84 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: talking about that he passed, basically they could just stop 85 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: anyone who looks mexicany ask them for their papers, and 86 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: out of state driver's licenses apparently aren't enough. So it 87 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 2: has led to Danielle as of last week and something 88 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: that people should mention massive stoppages in construction in Florida. 89 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: Why because just like in the African American community, in 90 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: the immigrant community and migrant community, especially the Latino communities 91 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: weren't spread and people are like, yo, unless you want 92 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: to get detained and deported, don't go to Florida. So 93 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 2: I would say, Danielle, if you go anti woke, you'll 94 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: go broke. And another thing I'll say is good on 95 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: the NAACP. And we were talking about this earlier. A 96 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: tweet came out from a friend of ours, historian Kevin 97 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: Cruise of Princeton, who's excellent on Twitter follow him if 98 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: you don't and Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz, who cares 99 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: so much about his constituents that whenever there's trouble, he 100 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: goes to can Kun. You know he's now leading the 101 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: charge with all these other Republicans. How dare you, nubacap, 102 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: how dare you? And he invokes doctor King. Doctor King 103 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: would be so embarrassed, and then Camvin Cruz says, ah, 104 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: as a historian, I have receipts. Actually, Doctor King back 105 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: in the day called for a boycott of this state 106 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: called Alabama, precisely because as you described, Danielle, it was 107 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: a haven for white violence, white vigilante violence against black 108 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: people and those whites who helped black people. 109 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, So Kevin Cruz and folks, it is Kevin 110 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: and Cruz k r U s E. He tweeted this 111 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: in response to Ted Cruz, who said, quote, this is 112 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: bizarre and utterly dishonest. In the nineteen fifties and sixties, 113 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: the NAACP did extraordinary good thing, good good helping lead 114 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: the civil rights movement. Today, doctor Kin would be ashamed 115 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: of how profoundly they've lost their way. So quote tweeting 116 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: that Professor Kevin Cruz tweets this. In nineteen sixty five, 117 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: doctor King called for a national boycott of the State 118 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: of Alabama saying that the Democratic governor George Wallace's policies 119 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: constituted a quote, reign of terror against black Americans. And so, 120 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: just so folks don't get it twisted, Ted Cruz knows nothing, 121 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: and I know that it is. It is very hard 122 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: to dig into the bin of idiots see and lack 123 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: of intellectual nimbleness and honesty when we're talking about the 124 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: Republican Party writ large, but in particular Ted Cruz much 125 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: alike Republicans love to do coming around the Martin Luther 126 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: King Junior Holiday, which is to take out the one 127 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: quote that they know out of its context. Daniel quotes, 128 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, and admonish black people for acknowledging 129 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: the racist policies that they put together, because US acknowledging 130 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: racism is what is racist, not the policies in and 131 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: of itself. So Professor Cruse said, let me provide you 132 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: with the actual receipts of the New York Times article 133 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: that was written in nineteen sixty five. And so I 134 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: think was what gets me here is that facts don't 135 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: register with the Party of Lies and the Party of hate. 136 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: But what should register with Americans and the pop is 137 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: that this party hasn't just regressed, it has devolved, right, 138 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: It has devolved into something where we thought that the 139 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: commentary that we understood around the civil rights movement we 140 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: would always look at through a historical lens. But here 141 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: we are in present day, twenty twenty three America, following 142 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: the successful two terms of our nation's first black president. 143 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: We currently have our first black and an Aapi vice 144 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: president woman of the United States. That we are still 145 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: in the midst of experiencing some extraordinary first But here 146 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: we are with the nation's oldest civil rights organization having 147 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: to issue travel warnings to black people in America. 148 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: And you know, Daniel, I'm going to google this because 149 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to get the quote right. You know, we 150 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 2: mentioned George Waller for those people who forget George Wallace 151 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: ran for president. He was also elected as governor of 152 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: Alabama in nineteen sixty three. This is what George Wallace said, 153 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: in the name of the greatest people that have ever 154 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust 155 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny. And 156 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. And what 157 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: I said during the tyranny of Donald Trump's four years 158 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: in the White House is that he has a lot 159 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: in comma George Wallace. He's a demagogue. In fact, people 160 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: support George Wallace should support Donald Trump. So you say devolved. 161 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: I say they're returning back to their roots. This is 162 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: who they were, And people say, oh, well, job, that's 163 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: too harsh. I want to remind you all that Donald 164 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: Trump said when the looting starts, the shooting starts, another 165 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: famous pro segregation and dog whistle in those parts right 166 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: from the sixties. So these folks Ted Cruz and the 167 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: modern Republican Party literally, I mean, do we really think 168 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: if they took a Dolorean back to the sixties, would 169 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: they be on the side of Doctor King or would 170 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: they be on the side of George Wallace. And I'll 171 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: give you this, don't say gay banning, any treatment of 172 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: transgender kids, banning books written by Tony Morrison, going after 173 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick for bending a knee, but supporting white supremacists 174 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: and Christian nationalists who tried to literally overthrow our election right, 175 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: calling Donald Trump, calling the black officer who defended these 176 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: Republican congressmen a thug, but praising Ashley Babbitt, who was 177 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: radicalized by QAnon, praising people like Kyle Rittenhouse who shan 178 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: killed two white folks at a BLM protest, praising and 179 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 2: the guy, the white guy who got convicted by a 180 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: jury of his peers in Texas for shooting another protester 181 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,599 Speaker 2: at a BLM protest. Tucker Carlson said, parton them, and 182 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: Greg Abbat said, sure, I'll part on this white killer 183 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: who was convicted by a jury of his peers, literally 184 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: lynching I'm at Arbury for jogging while black in his neighborhood. 185 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: And if it wasn't for the video that was released, 186 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: they would not be in prison. So you tell me, Danielle. 187 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 2: Would these people, these modern Republicans, be on the side 188 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: of doctor King because they only know three of his 189 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: quotes and forget everything else, especially the condemnation of corrupt 190 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: capitalism and white supremacy? Or would they be on the 191 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: side of George Wallace? And I would tell you they'd 192 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: be on the side of George Wallace. So NAACP is 193 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: finally flexing and the way you go after these folks. 194 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: And this is why I've always said that white supremacy 195 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: is ultimately self destructive because Ron DeSantis, in order to 196 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 2: feed the magabase that has been radicalized and weaponized, has 197 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: to go after Disney. He can't double down, he can't retreat, 198 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 2: even though you and I know on the DL the 199 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: Republicans like, whoa, whoa, whoa, there round Santiss. You can 200 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: bite the hand that feeds you. Now they've gone all 201 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 2: in to feed this radicalized base that wants to stand 202 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: its ground. That Florida is, I'm sorry to say, getting 203 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: some karma. Disney flex last week, right, they're actually just 204 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 2: a couple of days ago Disney said, all right, that 205 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: huge billion. 206 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: Dollar complex pulling it. 207 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: Peace out. NAACP said, oh, Disney's gonna peace out. We're 208 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: gonna peace out. Educators are gonna peace out. I think 209 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: what about college athletes, black athletes. Will they go to 210 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: university Florida schools for football? You tell me, I'm gonna 211 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: say no. So this is one of those situations where 212 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: you need this multicultural coalition. And when I see the NAACP, 213 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: I was serious. I want now the National Organization of Women, 214 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: I want Glad, I want all these groups now to say, 215 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: all right, Florida, you want to go anti woke you're 216 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: gonna go bro. That's my take on this. 217 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: You have to go after, right. I think that it 218 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: should be colleges, big sports entities, ticket Master, Live Nation, 219 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: all of these places that do business that do multi 220 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: million dollar or a billion dollar business like Disney and 221 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: say so we're done. And there are people wash who 222 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: come out and say, well, you know, you can't harm 223 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: the people that live there that are trying to do 224 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: the best that they can. And I said, well, you know, 225 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: money talks and bullshit walks. So if at the end 226 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: of the day, we are still operating under this capitalist regime, right, 227 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: and you have the power to sway you know, the 228 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: ticket masters of the world and the big names from 229 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: going and performing in places like Florida, if you have 230 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: the ability to say, you know what, NBA, nc DOUBLEA, 231 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: NFL and others that we're not going to support you 232 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: if you are playing games and giving money to this state. 233 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: Because it isn't just construction that is now faltering in Florida, 234 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: it is also guess what, agriculture is faltering in Florida, right, 235 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: because they literally have fruits and vegetables dying on the vines. 236 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: Because our agriculture market requires, right migrant workers. 237 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: Yep. 238 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: Whether or not we want to pay them, acknowledge them, 239 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: provide them with dignity and respect. This is how things work. 240 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: So you know, when I see the NAACP and Equality Florida, 241 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: and I think there is one other organization that I 242 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: am remiss at remembering right now who has issued warnings 243 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: with regard to Florida. I believe that everyone else, the 244 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Human Rights Campaign, glad ACLU, others, Southern Popular Law. Everybody 245 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: should fall in line. 246 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: I forgot pen America joined up with Penguin Random House, 247 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: one of the Titan publishing corporations, to sue Florida. That 248 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: happened last week. Also and the last quick thing before. 249 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: It also goes to show you, in this capitalist country 250 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 2: where all that matters is money, the color green trumps 251 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: all of the colors. In God, we trust it's right there. 252 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: It also goes to show you, Danielle, if these corporations 253 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 2: actually cared about freedom, democracy and human rights overnight, there 254 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: would be changes in this country. Disney. Disney's kind of 255 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: like the unexpected hero because they pushed Disney to the 256 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: point where they finally had to step up. Disney could 257 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 2: have done this on its own right, so it just 258 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: goes to show you how much power these organizations have 259 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: that if you go after their bottom line, they're going 260 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: to go after the Republicans that they also feed. But 261 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: it also goes to show you that if they actually 262 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: cared overnight, they can rain in the Republicans and the 263 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: majority can stop, you know, being hijacked by a minority. 264 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: That's the sad part. This could happen overnight, you. 265 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: Know, speaking of things that happened overnight. 266 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: Well, good, well done, excellent segue. 267 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: With a few minutes that we have left the lone 268 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: black Republican Senator Tim Scott has you know, said, you 269 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: know he's running for president, and you know he's doing 270 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: so wa was by stating that America is not a 271 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: racist country. Now, we've just spent the last sixteen minutes 272 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: talking about all the ways in which America is absolutely 273 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: and totally racist, right from hearkening back to George Wallace 274 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: to today's policies that are happening to the NAACP's announcement. 275 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: But in Tim Scott's America and the reality that he 276 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: lives in, in his hehaw America. He believes that anybody 277 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: who tells you that America is racist. They are lying 278 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: to you. That's what he said in his announcement speech. 279 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: And you know, Tim Scott has been the literal blackface 280 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: that the Republican Party has trotted out to deal to 281 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: come up with compromise legislation that fell apart after the 282 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: murder of George Floyd. He was to be working with 283 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: his counterpart, Senator Corey Booker to create legislation that would, 284 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, stop cops from being able to kill 285 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: unarmed black people and use police brutality and wield unimaginable force. 286 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: And that all fell apart after about eight months, and 287 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: they have yet to come back to the table again 288 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: on those issues. But anytime there is an issue with 289 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: regard to race or racism, it is Tim Scott that 290 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: the Republican parties pushed to the front, and he is 291 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: saying that he wants us to get back to a 292 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: place of unity right where we can have differences with 293 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: one another, but that we are all part of the 294 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: same American team. He harkened back to Reagan that America 295 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: is this beacon on the hill. He pulled out every 296 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: single trope, every single Republican talking point, But the differentiator 297 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: here is that he is not referring to his Democratic 298 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: opponents as his enemies. He is not calling for them 299 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: to be round up and hunted like dogs, like Governor 300 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: McMaster just said at a South Carolina Republican convention meeting. 301 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: Wow that one. Wow Yeah yeah. 302 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, rounded up and hunted like dogs. That he wants 303 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: them Democrats to be so rare that that is the case, 304 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: and Democrats in South Carolina are calling on him for 305 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: an apology. I better they wait for hell to freeze over. 306 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: What do you make of Tim Scott his announcement and 307 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: how he is positioning himself right now with another black 308 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote rising star Byron Donalds, who is an election denier. 309 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: Who's the other black face that Republicans are loving to 310 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: trot out. 311 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: Every community has a token, a cultural validator, a black 312 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: or brown face that acts as a trojan horse for 313 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 2: white supremacy, one who believes that they are either special 314 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: and exalted and different from US savages. The Clarence Thomas 315 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: wants the ones who hate themselves or the ones who 316 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: realize this is a good gig because the money is 317 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: lucrative and I can parrot all their talking points and 318 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: I'll be the token black I'll be the Candice Owens. 319 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 2: I'll be the Nikki Haley, the vivid Ramaswami. Right. And 320 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 2: the interesting thing is they engage in all these petzel 321 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: circusile rational you know, gymnastics in their head. Nikki Haley 322 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: said the same thing when she ran for when she 323 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: announced her candidacy, and literally right when she did, and 324 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: Colter told her to go back to her own country. 325 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: People always forget this, right, Literally, Donald Trump said she 326 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: has the wrong complexion to be my running mate. Right, 327 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: So they're being racist to their face and they sit 328 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: there and they eat their shit sandwich, because that's the 329 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: fausting bargain. Tim Scott knows what's up, but he's made 330 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: this fasting bargain. He's never going to be president. He 331 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 2: effed up. Literally, he took the mic and did a 332 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: Howard Dean moment and effed up even making his announcement. 333 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 2: So it's over. He's he's going to be a punch line. 334 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: But what he'll get is a lifelong tenure in the 335 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: Republican Party as the token black. He'll get a six 336 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: to seven figure book deal, he'll get a consulting gig, 337 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 2: and he'll allow Republicans to get away with the fiction 338 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: that they're not racist, because look, we support the black yep. 339 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: It is a gig as old as time right to 340 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: be and I love your phrasing, the embodiment of the 341 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: trojan horse for white supremacy. It is it can't possibly 342 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: exist because I exist, right, And the reality is Tip Scott, 343 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: you know his grandfather, I believe, you know, pick cotton, right, 344 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: lived in the lived under the weight of segregation. And 345 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: so Tip Scott has a lot to be proud of. 346 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: His family has a lot to be proud of. Right, 347 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: you go from in two generations from picking cotton to 348 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: picking policy, and that is that has always been you know, 349 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: his line of thinking. But there's something that got contorted 350 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: into did in his mind about because he had said 351 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: ability and advantages that then every black person in this 352 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: country has had the same ability and advantages And everything 353 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: else that we see is just a product of our imagination. 354 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: And if we just ignore it, if we just align 355 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: with our oppressor and be grateful to share stages with 356 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: them and share microphones with them, then all will be well. 357 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: Pull your pull yourself up from. 358 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: Yes right, and don't let your don't let your complexion 359 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: be what causes you to not be able to succeed. 360 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 1: That's just an excuse, right, So it is it is 361 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: such an incredible place where you named you name checked 362 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: all of these black and brown faces. Uh, that the 363 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: Republican Party is pushing forward to cloak their white supremacy 364 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: in right, And and I just wonder do you think 365 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: last question for you, how do we we think this 366 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: is gonna fair in the long run? The Decks and 367 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: the Nikkis and the Byrons and the Tim Scotts. You know, 368 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: is this the new Republican Party or just the same 369 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: old ropodope? 370 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: You know, Colonialism like herpies, lingers forever, and it gets 371 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: passed on generation and generation. And it's not just black people, 372 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: but it's people of color who've come to this country, right, 373 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: They unconsciously, oftentimes chased whiteness for protection and safety. And 374 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: I've given this analogy before they came here, like, huh, 375 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: who's winning, who's creating the policies, who's on top, who's 376 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: on the billboards, who's the hero white folks, who's in jail, 377 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: who's hated? Who's beating up black people? Even though my 378 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: natural allies will be the black and brown folks, let 379 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 2: me chase whiteness. I'll never be white, but I'll be protected. 380 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: I'll be asymptotic to whiteness, right, and then you engage 381 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 2: in all these rationalizations, and I am the good one. 382 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 2: If they only pull themselves up from the bootstraps like me, 383 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: if they got rid of their pathology and self loathing, 384 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: if they became post racist, then everything would be better. 385 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: And yet time and time again, you can't wipe off 386 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: the blackness and the brownness. This country reminds you violently 387 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: your place in the hierarchy. And so what I think 388 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: is going to happen is that whiteness has always evolved 389 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: to survive. It is trying to win over Latinos and 390 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: Asians and black folks through family values, through the transgender panic. 391 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: I think they will win over a minority of our community. 392 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 2: I think they will, and I think you're going to see, 393 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 2: like the Latino white supremacist in Texas who killed eight people, 394 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: We're going to see more and more of that. But 395 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: I do think the cruelty of white supremacy is finally 396 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: animating enough people, Danielle, thanks to the work of Martin 397 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: Luther King, the Silver Rights Movement, our ancestors who fought 398 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: in bled that they say I'm done with this, and 399 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: enough whites. Maybe if enough whites can say, oh, this 400 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: is self destructive for our families and this country, we 401 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,239 Speaker 2: can get that coalition of about seventy percent. But I 402 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: think this will be the norm. You're gonna see more tokens. 403 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: You're going to see more Latino, black, brown, white supremacists, 404 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 2: and you're gonna see our community having to call them 405 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: out and expose them and do more education. I know 406 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: that's not the answer that people want, but that's my 407 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: realistic answer as to how white supremacy will evolve to 408 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: try to stave off the inevitable minority majority that is America. 409 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: Well, Wajah hot Ali, my good good friend. I thank 410 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: you so much for all of your work, for the 411 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: continued ways that you use your platform to sound an alarm. 412 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: I know that they don't listen to us all the time, 413 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: but our track record, as you say on Democracy Ish 414 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: every week, we're bat in one hundred over there. If 415 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: only we would be wrong, then we would be multi 416 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: millionaires and have our own shows on Fox but Friends. 417 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: If you enjoy our conversation today on make sure to 418 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: check out WA and I each and every Thursday on 419 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: Democracy Ish. 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