WEBVTT - Joyce Vance & Maria Farmer 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.960 today's best minds, and the US economy has slowed to 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.240 one point four GDP growth in Q four twenty twenty five. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.560 We have such a great show for you today. Sisters 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.360 in Law's own Joys Vans stops by to talk about 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.240 SCOTUS striking down Trump's tariff policy, and then we'll talk 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:32.000 to Epstein survivor Maria Farmer about her experiences with Jeffrey 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:33.840 Ebstein and Les Wexner. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.800 But first the news. 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.720 MI the Republicans are holding on to their majority by 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.280 a thread. There's Tony Gonzalez we talked about in the 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.839 last episode, who if he leaves, will leave Mike Johnson 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.280 in a very bad spot in Congress. And it now 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.479 appears from this latest video that Mitch McConnell may not 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.760 be all the way there. Are you ready to watch this? 0:00:55.120 --> 0:01:01.000 Yeah, let's want his video. I'm sure, okay, centerator for 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:02.800 election three short years? 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:03.639 What are your thoughts on. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.679 I'm sorry, I had a hard time here, that's okay. 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.000 What are your thoughts on running for. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.560 Reelection twenty What am I thoughts about. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.800 What running for re election in twentelve? 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:17.199 Absolutely? 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.440 Did you hear the question senator running for reelection in 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:32.600 twenty twenty six? Yeah, all right, I'm sorry you all 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:40.039 were going to need a minute, Manny. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.760 Let's talk about that. We're not playing that to be cruel. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.120 Getting old is something we're all going to have to 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.560 deal with if we're lucky you Yeah, better. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:48.360 Than the alternative. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.120 We're playing that because we have a real problem in 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.680 this country at this moment, and we need age limits 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.800 on electeds. And that is what we're trying to get 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:05.360 here left right time to have some age limits. 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.720 People just don't want to leave office. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.760 Power is hard to give up, and I get it, man, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.600 But we're just seeing this again and again and again. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.120 We really need. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.320 Our politicians to have age limits. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.440 Get's interesting because I've seen some people saying, oh, they're 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.000 worried Bashir will be able to replace him with somebody, 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.760 but the eight Senate actually put limitations on Basher's ability 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:29.160 to do. 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.280 That because why because they're worried that a Democrat would 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:32.960 get that job. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.280 Yeah, this is like what we're on his third senior 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.480 moment here that we've seen like where he just disconnects yeah. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.799 And this is not to say that we don't understand 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:47.200 the sensitivity of getting older or that we don't appreciate 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:52.600 how hard that is. It's more just that we see 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.000 that this is a real problem that we keep seeing 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.639 again and again and again, and that there's only one 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.040 way that we're going to get through this, and that's 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.640 to have tournaments on candidates. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.840 Yes. So Harriet's on CNN was talking about a concept 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.400 that many people discuss, which is that you know, Trump 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.760 will never go below this four of a certain approval, 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.600 and he's saying, I don't know, man, these poles are 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.200 looking so bad. The four may be lower than we thought. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:26.840 Yeah, Harry Enton is a polster and he has been 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.040 covered you know, we've all been covering this forever and 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:33.280 ever until we die. But this is two points lower 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.520 across a number of posters, and he is now in 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:41.360 worse shape than at any point in his first term 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:47.200 or where Biden was ever. So it's basically he's underwater. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:53.280 Like twenty points is low according to Yahoo, nineteen points 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.880 according to NBC is twenty. I mean, he's really underwater. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.760 And it's worth realizing that, like when he came in 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.840 the second time, he actually was more popular. He had 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.760 won the popular vote. He had really a lot of 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:14.760 opportunities to connect with voters. He had billionaires talking about 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.600 how grat he was. You know, he had the closest 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.880 thing he's ever had to a mandate, and he absolutely 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.840 squandered it, like you can't fucking believe. And so we 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:31.200 have these pulling low numbers that are pretty spectacular. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.480 And we're seeing now is that he's sending these insane 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.920 truth posts about fixing the vote because he sees how 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.120 unpopular is. We have one here that is just insane 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:43.000 about voter ID. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:48.240 Yeah, so here's what's happening. Trump and Republicans see the polls. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.920 They know that they're in big trouble. They see it happening, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:58.200 and so they really really really want to mess with 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.480 our voting and they want to pass this Save Act. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.880 They can't pass the Save Act unless they get rid 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.080 of the filibuster. If they get rid of the philibuster, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.320 that means that everything changes. That legislation is much easier 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.440 to pass. But it's also the Save Act is really bad. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:17.159 It would federalize elections. I mean, this is why he's 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.400 so hot on it. I'm going to read a little 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.120 bit of this truth social post because it has a 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.359 lot of capitalization, and like, it's important to hear Donald 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.600 Trump's own words sometimes because you have to know how 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.080 unhinged a lot of this stuff is. We cannot let 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:36.279 the Democrats get away with no voter ID all caps 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:41.600 any longer. These are horrible, disingenuous cheaters all caps. They 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.320 have all sorts of reasons why it shouldn't be passed, 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.360 and they boldly laugh in the back rooms after their 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.520 ridiculous presentations. If it weren't such a serious matter, it 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.280 would be considered a total joke. No voter ID is 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.560 even crazier and more ridiculous than men playing in women's sports. Right, 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.599 these are the three things he thinks he wins on 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:10.360 men playing in women's sports, open borders, or transgender for everyone. Okay, 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.599 is clearly like these are his three greatest hits. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.400 My favorite right that we should add to the constitution transgender. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:21.240 For transgender for everyone. Republicans must put this at the 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:25.120 top of every speech. It is a can't miss for 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:29.880 reelection in the midterms. Huh And beyond explanation point, even 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.359 Democratic voters agree eighty five percent that there should be 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.640 voter ID, and there are, by the way, a lot 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.919 of states where there is voter ID. It's only the 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:44.159 political quote unquote leaders, crooked losers like Schumer and Jeffries. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.080 By the way, if only they were as bad as 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.320 Trump says they are in this truth that have no shame, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:55.159 explain why it's racist, and every other thing they can 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.200 think of. This is an issue that must be fought, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:04.680 and be fought now, all caps explanation point. So I 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:09.320 always feel like with Trump it's important to just look 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.800 at what he says, even if he's a liar. I 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.040 just want to keep going. I will present them shortly 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.160 in the form of an executive order. I hope the 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:20.080 Supreme Court realizes as they painstakingly review the very simple 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.240 topic of country saving tariffs. Important right, because he was 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.360 really anxious about this tariff decision and they ruled against him. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.559 Those same tariffs have been used by other countries against 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.120 US to drain it of its treasury and security for 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:33.679 many years. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.400 Again not true at all. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.640 So pack the courts with twenty one Supreme Court justices 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.760 their dream explanation points which they will submit. Look, he's anxious, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.000 he's worried, he sees the polls here we are. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.960 Yep, So eleven million visitors seem to have not come 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.360 here since Trump was elected, which is hitting the economy 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.280 very bad. We have this new report where the Walt 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.400 Disney Company is quite a posse about this, and I 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.200 hear it all the time from people at restaurants and 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.240 bars I go to in New York that they just 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.480 don't see the Europeans here the way they used to, 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.000 and that was keeping them in business. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:10.760 Yeah. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.840 I can't imagine why people would not want to come 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.760 to a country where our police force has murdered two 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:19.080 American citizens. 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.840 I don't know our masked police force. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:27.600 And where we see endless stories of ice locking up 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.720 kids and deporting the wrong people. And I don't know 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.960 why you wouldn't want to come here. Luckily, we have 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.840 FIFA World Cup coming and Donald Trumps won the FIFA 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.400 Soccer Peace Prize, so that should get Taurus here. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:42.400 A coveted prize. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.560 Let me tell you, Yes, FIFA World Cup the best. 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:50.160 So Thomas Massey, who I really every time we have 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.280 to quote him, I can't believe we're quoting a good 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.800 way these days. He says, the Trump UFO talk is 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.800 the ultimate weapon of mass distraction from the Epstein files. 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.680 Yeah, and he's right. He's right, He's right, he's right. Look, 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:06.000 Massy is so interesting and this moment is so strange 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:11.480 because he is a libertarian and like, well, we don't 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:17.760 necessarily agree with everything he says. It's really interesting. He 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.760 and Rocanna have tried to pass a War Powers Act. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.640 Trump has amassed all of these ships by the Gulf. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.120 This is like a real moment. We're seeing like libertarian 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:35.200 values like the Ran Pauls and the Thomas Massey's and 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:40.360 this sort of like, you know, democratic values aligned. I 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.960 want to talk about UFOs because Trump was on the 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.840 airplane coming home from Georgia where he was on an 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.840 affordability tour, though you wouldn't know it because you almost 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.040 spent no time talking about affordability. And you know, he's 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:58.080 moved as many aircrafts into the Middle East as has 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.920 been ever since two thousand and three. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.200 Okay, so that's wild. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.560 He's basically wants to bomb irand his administration has offered 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.960 like three or four different reasons for why, which I 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.800 think what you know about Trump world is when they're lying, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.520 which is a lot of the time, they offer multiple 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:21.640 explanations so they said that they wanted because the protesters, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.920 they wanted to you know, because Iran killed all these protesters, right, 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.480 they said it's because of the nuclear program that we 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.400 know all the nukes are buried, because of the last 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:35.160 saying it's because they want to destabilize the region and terrorism. 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:40.120 So there's like a million different answers. So that's how 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.400 we know they're lying. But the point here is last night, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.720 on the flight home from Georgia, he is talking to 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.600 a journalist. A journalist says, well, or maybe this was 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.280 on the way there, he's saying. A journalist says, well, 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:59.320 Obama says that there are aliens, and he said, well 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.800 that was not Obama. You know, you could see in 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.080 his head the wheels turning. He said something like that's 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.760 classified information. Is he releasing classifiedamin? You know, I think 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.240 you're like, can I arrest Obama? 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.360 And he's like, good, damn it. Wait, I was the 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.839 one who said that I could declassify things with my brain. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.000 God damnit. He was president before me, right, And in. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.079 His head you can see him thinking like, oh, the 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.839 people are interested in aliens. Oh that is a good one. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.839 That doesn't tie to Ebstein. There you go. That's how 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:29.400 we got here. 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.920 Joyce Fans is the author of the substack Civil Discourse, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.040 the co host of the podcast Sisters in Law, and 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:45.000 the author of Giving Up is Unforgivable, a Manual for 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:50.040 keeping a Democracy. Joyce Fans, Hey, how are you good? 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:50.720 So? 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:55.520 Okay, we are at a moment where the Supreme Court 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.440 has actually told Trump no. I think it's happened like 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.920 and you know, like the number of times as I 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:03.800 have fingers. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.559 On one hand, I think you have too many fingers 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.120 for this court, but any hind. 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.840 Right, yes, exactly too many fingers. Talk about this Scotis 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.640 decision on tars. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.680 Yes, you make a really interesting point that this is 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.840 about the Court telling Trump no. And first, let me 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.520 tell you that in the two hours since the decision 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.200 came out, I have not read all one hundred and 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.120 seventy pages with great care. So I'm going to speak 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.560 for it makes two of us. Yeah, we'll be doing 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.760 that this weekend. It's going to be a fun weekend 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:35.600 at shay Vance. I think I have a good bottle 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.960 of champagne to read with. But look, let me just 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.200 say this about the context. You know, the theme of 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:47.640 this presidency has been Donald Trump's effort to seize more power. Yeah, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.280 and he's not seizing it in a vacuum. He's seizing 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.400 it from Congress in large part. And at the same 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.040 time he's trying to tell the Supreme Court it doesn't 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.760 have the ability to review his decisions. It's not just 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.800 in this case. That has been a theme. For instance, 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.240 where he tried to use the Alien Enemies APT to 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.800 do things with deportation that no president has ever done, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.680 and he tried to do it again with the National Guard, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.760 federalizing them. In both of those cases, he found statutes 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:22.280 that gave presidents unusual enhanced powers in emergency situations, and 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.040 then he claimed that there was an emergency, said the 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:29.120 Supreme Court couldn't review his decision and proceeded. And so 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.440 this is actually the third time that we've seen the 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:36.960 Supreme Court tell Trump know. But what's important about this case. 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:41.000 The tariff's case was fully briefed, fully argued, we have 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.640 this long decision that lays out the court's reasoning. And 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.800 in the case of both deportations and the National Guard, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.360 the Supreme Court ruled on early preliminary motions in those 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.640 cases off of the shadow docket and they didn't really 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.199 lay out their reasoning, so it makes it important that 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.719 they've done it. Here, can I just say that, I mean, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.880 the Supreme Court is not the hero of the moment, right, 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.680 certainly a six y three decision and should have been 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.720 nine zero because I'm sorry, I'm wound up about it, 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.320 but I'll just say it should have been nine oh. 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.200 It's not a hard case. This is not about the 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.920 president's power. You know, with Tariff's writ large Congress has 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.920 the tariff's power. They can loan it to the president. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.320 They do specifically in certain statutes with limitations on how 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.480 long he can impose it for what percentage it can be. Here, 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.840 Trump took this statute AEPA that does not have the 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.200 word tariffs in it. He used it to impose, you know, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.400 for all time tariffs as high as he wanted it to. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.760 And it should have been nine oh. The textualists on 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.520 the Supreme Court should have said the Constitution, you know, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:53.200 the Statute AEPA, none of that says Trump has this power. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.640 So no, mister President. And the fact that three justices 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.880 were still willing to shill for the President to some 0:14:58.960 --> 0:14:59.920 extent I think is just. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:05.400 Let's talk about that the three justices not surprising. Fox's 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:12.000 surprising at Clarence Thomas, Samuel and Leito and Justice kegstand Kavanaugh. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.880 But first, but that one is a little bit surprising. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.760 Let me say, I think people assumed it might be 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.440 gor such but he had written, you know, as recently 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.120 his less term about the importance of textualism, so maybe 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.600 a little less surprising. What's interesting here though, in what 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.080 I haven't looked at yet. We've got concurrences from everybody, 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.320 in the sense from everybody, and it'll take some time 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:39.560 to distill what the actual holding is that had six 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:40.640 votes to back it. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.360 But it is important to realize, like this is all 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:48.480 under the guise of the unitary executive theory, which is 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.960 a theory that the president is a king and the 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.560 Congress is a bunch of schmocks who do whatever he wants. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.640 Basically, I think that's how we should understand this as 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.120 ab And you know, something I wrote about a lot 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.080 in my book and that I've talked about a lot 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.040 is my belief that at some point the Supreme Court 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.800 would tell Trump no, not because of legal principles, but 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.160 because they didn't want to become irrelevant. In other words, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.720 if the Court keeps letting the president do whatever he 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.160 wants and erodes judicial review, then there's no rule for 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.960 a Supreme Court. And I think that we should understand 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.400 this decision in some ways as the court both telling 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.720 the President no, but maybe more importantly saying yes to 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.760 their own ability to remain relevant. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.040 It is also important to realize so this case was 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:42.640 not teed up by some woke squad. This was teed 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:47.880 up by Leonard Leo and the surviving Koch brother Yeah. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:52.240 Pretty hard to think of two people with more skin 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.120 in the game when it comes to federalist society or 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.480 the court, the making of the court itself. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.440 You know, this case a decision between you know, MAGA, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.480 which only got three votes and the Koch brothers who 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:06.119 got six. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:07.040 Yeah. 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.520 And by the way, one of my friends was sending 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.439 me market graphics just as we were starting out. But 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.760 it looks like the market is taking this decision as 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:16.440 a good sign. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.320 Yeah, because it means that Donald Trump can't kill our 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:21.560 economy for no reason. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.840 But according to Pam Bondi, that means everything's good. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.800 Yes, that's right, but speak you have Wench. So yeah, 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.600 the tariff decision is a big one a question also, 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.960 how you undo these tariffs now, because remember this administration 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.440 is not so big on following the law. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.160 You know, there had been a lot of thinking that 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.439 the court would reverse and would send this back to 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.919 the lower courts, which it did, but would also you know, 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.400 Neil kat y'all, who would argued the case successfully, had 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.040 said an oral argument, well, maybe you can do that 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:01.000 without undoing past tariffs. And again I haven't read carefully yet, 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.960 but my quick read suggests that the court didn't do 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.320 that and that the remedy may be up to the 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.920 district court, which is which is great. Well maybe, I mean, 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.480 the lower court's not going to be thrilled about figuring 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.280 that out, because unwinding the tariffs will be difficult and complicated. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.080 The administration, to your point, Molly has argued that doing this, 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.480 you know, will put us into bankruptcy. I mean, that's 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.280 not true, but that's sort of the position that they're taking. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.320 But it seemed to me that Neil's position in oral argument, 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.480 although I thought it was it was a smart thing 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.840 to give the court that out, to say that you 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:38.840 can sidestep all the difficulty of unwinding previously collected tariffs 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.680 you know, if the tariffs are illegal, then they were 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.600 improperly collected and they have to be restored. I want 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.520 to know, does this mean, you know, I'm a knitter. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.960 When I buy my knitting yarn from Europe, now I'm 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.439 paying horrible tariffs on it. I want to know, do 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.880 I get that money back? I don't have clarity. 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.080 Yeah, I want my money back too. It's a really 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.240 good question. And it's important to see this case as 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.520 what it is, to be clear eyed that this is 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.359 not a victory for democracy as so as much as 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:11.400 it is a victory for preexisting financial system. 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.760 I mean, I don't want to undersell this decision. If 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.600 the Supreme Court had not pumped the brakes on the 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:21.399 Trump presidency here, it would have been a devastating moment. 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.600 So I mean good to see that at the margins 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.840 the court will stand for the rule of law. So 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.080 it's good that the Court pumped the breaks in this instance. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.640 And this is a very important decision. It may frankly 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:40.040 be the most important one since the criminal immunity decision, 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.240 where the Court gave Trump so much power, such an 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.560 excess of freedom from the possibility of criminal prosecution. And 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.840 here they're saying to the President, no, you can't feal 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.440 Congress's power, and you can't tell us that we don't 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.320 have the power of judicial review. In other words, in 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.280 many ways, it restores or is the balance of power 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.919 among the three branches. The reason I'm not willing to 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.440 be super enthusiastic about the Court is I know what 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.720 comes next, and that's Klay, the jerrymandering case, which has 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.919 the potential for the Court to lock in Republican majorities 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.840 in the House of Representatives for a generation depending on 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.400 how that decision comes out. There are other voting rights cases, 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.560 and you know, as the administration is teeing up the 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.040 Save Act and getting ready to pass it, the consequences 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.920 of those cases could be devastating for democracy. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.119 So we'll have to see right now. 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.080 That said, they cannot pass the Save Act unless they 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.560 undue the filibuster, which again they may try to. But 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.760 they don't have sixty votes for the Save Act in 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:44.320 the Senate. 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.159 I think that's right. You know they're gaining votes. Are 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.520 they going to get Democratic votes? I think no, they're 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.720 not going to get. But it's disturbing that they're over 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.840 fifty on the Republican side right, No, they're. 0:20:55.720 --> 0:21:01.679 Fucking partisan hacks. And also it's yes, it's disturbing. And 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:05.080 the voting rights, what's coming down with the voting rights 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.679 could be crazy. I mean they could just get rid 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.400 of every I mean, the South could be. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.679 All Republican congress people. 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:16.080 I mean they could just rid and you know, they 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.880 could gain five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten seats. 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.120 But what's going to be nineteen? I mean, I think 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.360 it's worth pointing out that the Georgia think tank that 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.600 Stacy Abrams started has done an analysis of the Dawn 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:32.359 I think just as nine nineteen vulnerable districts. 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:37.480 That's very sobering. Now let's talk about Epstein. We've got 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:43.480 these documents. Pam Bondi says it's over. Can Pambondy do that? 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.600 We only have half the documents we have the UK. 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:52.000 Andrew has been arrested. We have the rest of the 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.440 Epstein files. People in the US are in the Trump cabinet. 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:59.480 Basically we have Lutnick. We have I mean, every time 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.280 you watching the Ministry of Peace or whatever, that Ministry 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:07.680 of War peace Ponzi scheme that Trump was doing yesterday, 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.000 and we had Tony Blair in the Epstein files. We 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:15.320 had Mark Rowan in the Epstein files, like everyone around 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:19.080 Trump is in those files. Can Pam Bondi say it's 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.000 over and done and talk us through what you think 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:23.560 the legal remedies here are. 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:27.760 So, Look, Pambondi is the Attorney General of the United States, 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.840 and if she wants to say it's over, she can 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.560 do that. It's clear that the Justice Department is not 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.400 contemplating prosecution of anyone who is not a Democrat at 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.840 this point. That was the President's guidance to his attorney general. 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.399 I mean, I think the real question is this, Molly, 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:46.560 what are we going to do about it? 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:46.880