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THERÉSA: Test test. Oh oh, thank god. I have been trying

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THERÉSA: to get this thing to turn on for hours. Something

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THERÉSA: is really wrong, you guys. My producer Len, mumbley, kind

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THERÉSA: of forgettable guy. He's gone! Usually when I get to

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THERÉSA: the studio he's already here, pushing buttons and I don't know,

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THERÉSA: adjusting things. It's not that I need him. I mean,

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THERÉSA: now that we're up and running, I'm more than capable

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THERÉSA: the work around here anyway. I guess I'm just used

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THERÉSA: to having him here. Hopefully nothing bad happened. It's fine,

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THERÉSA: it's fine, he's fine. I'm fine. He's probably just haunting

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THERÉSA: a board game convention or whatever nerd stuff he gets

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THERÉSA: up to when we're not working. Such an odd little man.

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THERÉSA: Let's just get started. Our first story today is from Emma.

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THERÉSA: When her boyfriend and his best friend moved into his

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THERÉSA: best friend's childhood home, things started getting weird, and not

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THERÉSA: hooking up with your boyfriend's best friend weird, like actually weird. See, normally,

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THERÉSA: Len would have like a random off putting sound effect

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THERÉSA: to punctuate that. This is throwing off my flow. Merlin,

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THERÉSA: go find him.

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STORY A: I was taking a shower. I hear David come into

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STORY A: for him to start talking to me, but he didn't,

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STORY A: so I peeked out and there was nobody in there,

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STORY A: but I still felt like I wasn't alone. Who or

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STORY A: what was in the bathroom with me? My name is Emma.

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STORY A: My name is David. Emma is my girlfriend.

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STORY A: And my boyfriend's house was haunted. In 2017, my boyfriend, David,

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STORY A: and his best friend had been living together in an

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STORY A: Me and my roommate, Corey, lived in an apartment together

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STORY A: and his parents were retiring so they were moving out.

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STORY A: At the time, our apartment lease was coming to a close,

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STORY A: It was a ranch style, one story, very small house.

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STORY A: The living room was on the east side of the

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STORY A: he gave David the master room.

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STORY A: We offered to work on the house, so I went

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STORY A: in there like a wrecking ball, and I completely changed

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STORY A: a lot of things. I ripped out all the carpet,

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STORY A: David and I had been together for six years. I

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STORY A: six days a week at least. So one day, while

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STORY A: It's a very spooky, unfinished basement.

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STORY A: On a Saturday, David, Corey, and I were all at

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STORY A: Nobody had come into the room. I tried brushing it off.

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STORY A: watching the game. I looked at David and I go,

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STORY A: I told them what I experienced, and they just brushed

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STORY A: the door open and close, like okay, gaslighting 101. What

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STORY A: I couldn't find any explanation for it. I knew that

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STORY A: I was in the master bedroom by myself, looking in

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STORY A: and out of nowhere I heard Hey. It sounded as

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STORY A: if someone was right behind me in my ear. And

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STORY A: I got chills on the back of my spine. Emma

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STORY A: was not present, Corey was not present. It was clear

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STORY A: as day. It wasn't like an old, wretched voice. It

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STORY A: was like a middle aged female voice. I turn around,

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STORY A: wouldn't say as a clairvoyant of any means, but she

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STORY A: this is a little out there, but this is what's

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STORY A: "This is my son. He's a good man. My son

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STORY A: Please leave his girlfriend alone." I remember, you know, following

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THERÉSA: Gaslight your girlfriend and then run to your mom. Len, at

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THERÉSA: what age do men learn that women are always right? Oh, yeah,

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THERÉSA: Len's not here. Well, I don't blame those ghosts for

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THERÉSA: did all my fountains, indoors and out. Anyway, the spirit's

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THERÉSA: Merlin didn't have any luck finding Len, and as much

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THERÉSA: as I hate to admit it, I'm actually starting to worry.

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THERÉSA: So listeners help me out here. If Len's on a

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THERÉSA: little haunting escapade, you might be able to sense his presence.

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THERÉSA: Not all of you are tuned to the other side,

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THERÉSA: so I'll walk you through it. Close your eyes now,

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THERÉSA: take a deep breath in for four and out for four.

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THERÉSA: and focus on your breathing. Once your mind starts to clear,

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THERÉSA: you're going to pay attention to any energies you might

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THERÉSA: be sensing that are not your own. Good. Now, the

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THERÉSA: feeling you're looking for is sort of a familiar discomfort,

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THERÉSA: like that tight lipped smile you give a coworker in

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THERÉSA: what you're smelling is cheese. If you're hitting on any

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THERÉSA: of those, let us know on our socials at Glass

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THERÉSA: Podcasts with the hashtag #FindLen. If that lucky son of

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THERÉSA: a bitch crossed over, I will kill him! Anyway, while

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STORY B: I grew up in northwest Indiana, and there was so

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STORY B: And I said, "yeah, I don't like them because they're scary."

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STORY B: And she said, "that's okay. I made them go away.

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STORY B: After that day, I never saw anything in the alley again.

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STORY B: It wasn't until about 20 years later when my mom

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STORY B: over and he goes, "oh, yeah, I think that's your

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STORY B: told him that, Dad said, well, I don't believe in

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THERÉSA: Okay, another story that deep down is about gaslighting. If

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THERÉSA: is what it comes down to. Let's take a break.

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THERÉSA: There's still no sign of Len and we didn't get

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THERÉSA: I'm having confusing feelings.

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LEN: [MUMBLES]

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THERÉSA: Len! Oh my god, you're here. Thank god. I wasn't

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THERÉSA: Missed you? No, no, you can't just not show up

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THERÉSA: to work. It's unprofessional and it's not my job to

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THERÉSA: know what all these buttons do. I mean, I do

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THERÉSA: know what they do, but I don't like pressing them.

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THERÉSA: Just don't do that again, okay? And where were you anyway?

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LEN: [MUMBLES]

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THERÉSA: Haunting a board game convention and you lost track of time

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THERÉSA: at the D and D table. You are so predictable.

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THERÉSA: I can't believe I was actually worried. Well, that's our episode.

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THERÉSA: Len's back just in time to stop the recording, and

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THERÉSA: I need a massage to recover from carrying the entire

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THERÉSA: show on my back. If you've got a scary story

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THERÉSA: to share, email Len or I guess me at HauntingThePodcast@gmail.com.

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THERÉSA: We'll see you next time. Where were you really though?

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THERÉSA: You've been acting so weird lately.

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LEN: [MUMBLES]

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THERÉSA: It's just alarming when you're not where you always are.

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THERÉSA: You're always here.

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LEN: [MUMBLES].

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THERÉSA: It went fine, I mean better than fine, probably best

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THERÉSA: episode yet. I just I do value your contributions to

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THERÉSA: I said, I value your contributions to this team is all. Wait,

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THERÉSA: are we still recording? Len, you're gone all day and

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THERÉSA: then you can't do your one job. What is the

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CREDITS: Glass Andrea Gunning, Ben Fetterman, and Lauren Lapkus, and it

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CREDITS: Len Walker is played by Trey Morgan. Haunting is written

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CREDITS: by Aleah Welsh, with additional writing by Nancy Glass. Trey Morgan,

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