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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode Illegally Brunette. I will

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Speaker 1: be your host, Emily Simpson and Shane Shane. Okay, first

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Speaker 1: of all, we have to do some updates on some

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Speaker 1: cases that we've done previously. If you have not listened

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Speaker 1: to our episode on Ellen Greenberg, I would suggest that

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Speaker 1: you do that if you haven't, because it's a really,

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Speaker 1: really interesting case. It's so interesting because you'll never actually

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Speaker 1: know what happened, but we have some like breaking news

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Speaker 1: or some new things that have happened.

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Speaker 2: Breaking only heard here.

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Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Medical Examiner reaffirms Ellen Greenberg's twenty eleven stabbing

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Speaker 1: death was a suicide. Now, you know, when we talked

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Speaker 1: about it previously, it was originally ruled a suicide, then

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Speaker 1: it was ruled a homicide. Then I think it even

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Speaker 1: may have gone back to a suicide, then maybe back

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Speaker 1: to a homicide because the parents were pushing. They wanted

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Speaker 1: it ruled as a homicide, because they wanted it investigated,

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Speaker 1: and they never believed that their daughter took her own life,

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Speaker 1: especially with twenty stab wounds. However, just recently, the Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office issued a report affirming its ruling that

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Speaker 1: the twenty eleven stabbing death of Ellen Greenberg was a suicide.

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Speaker 1: It was a thirty two page report. The chief medical

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Speaker 1: examiner was doctor Lindsay Simon, and she said that Ellen

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Speaker 1: Greenberg would have been capable of inflicting the injuries on herself,

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Speaker 1: noting that there was no sign of a struggle at

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Speaker 1: the scene, no sign of an intruder. Her fiancees alibi

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Speaker 1: found on the knife. The medical examiner also noted that

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Speaker 1: Greenberg was under the care of a psychiatrist at the

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Speaker 1: time for her anxiety, but quote, she did not survive

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Speaker 1: long enough to address the actual anxiety itself. Thus she

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Speaker 1: had to increase it energy to act on her anxious thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's really the crux of the issue. Was

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Speaker 1: she going through such a psychosis episode that she was

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Speaker 1: able to inflict those wounds herself or did her fiance

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Speaker 1: have something to do with it. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, we'll never know, but it is officially ruled

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Speaker 1: a suicide, and I think at this point that's probably

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Speaker 2: Right I mean, whether he did or not. It's a

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Speaker 2: good thing. I stoked, we didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: He stoked, well exactly. William Trask is the Greenberg's family attorney.

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Speaker 1: He blasted these findings in a statement and said the

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Speaker 1: medical examiner so called independent review of Ellen's death is

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Speaker 1: a deeply flawed attempt to justify a predetermined conclusion by

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Speaker 1: ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, a recreation which proves

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Speaker 1: Ellen could not self inflict all of the wounds. There's

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Speaker 1: unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, and intact Locke accounts of

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Speaker 1: a toxic relationship, et cetera. The medical examiner builds a

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Speaker 1: flimsy case on distorted portrayals of Ellen's mental health. So

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Speaker 1: obviously the family attorney is disagreeing, and we'll continue to

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Speaker 1: follow that and see if there's any other breaking news.

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Speaker 1: But as of right now, it has beneficial told a suicide. Again.

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Speaker 2: Side note, if it's a homicide, insurances may be available.

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Speaker 2: If it's a suicide, it's likely excluded.

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Speaker 1: Is that because we're going into the Murdau murders? Is

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Speaker 1: that why that's on your mind?

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Speaker 2: That was my transition.

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Speaker 1: That was, well, we're not transitioning yet.

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Speaker 2: We have sorry more updates.

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Speaker 1: We have some breaking news. Well actually it's just an update.

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Speaker 1: I just like to say breaking news on Amy.

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Speaker 2: Bradley again, another unsolved another.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, some people believe that she jumped, and then

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Speaker 1: other people believe that she was trafficked. So the success

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Speaker 1: of the Netflix docuseries Amy Bradley Is Missing has helped

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Speaker 1: of new leads to the FBI and Bradley's family. There

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Speaker 1: are three very significant leads that a source close to

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Speaker 1: the production has told the Hollywood Reporter. These are actually,

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Speaker 1: these are really interesting. So I'm glad we're going to

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Speaker 1: break these three new leads down just for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: First of all, a female bar server that was on

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Speaker 1: The server does not speak much English, and the bar

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Speaker 1: interviewed by investigators. So that is new tip number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, there has been a new highly suspicious hit

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Speaker 1: to Amy Bradley's missing person's website. The site is being

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Speaker 1: to me, Oh well, timely, because really, the only you

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Speaker 1: have to find her, you can't. You can interview a

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Speaker 1: you find her if she's still alive and she's existing.

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Speaker 2: Now, and just seeing her, I mean, we need seeing

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Speaker 2: her alone may not do anything at all. I guess

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Speaker 2: there'd have to be more.

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Speaker 1: Tips, right, But the website with an IP address is

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Speaker 1: definitely more viable because then you can go to a

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Speaker 1: a more compelling case that Bradley has at least one child.

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Speaker 1: The source believes the child is more than likely the

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Speaker 1: a signal that she has settled down to have a family.

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Speaker 1: Though this information is vague, I guess the source knows

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Speaker 2: That right there, just credits it.

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Speaker 1: Why because they're not sharing everything. Well, maybe they're not

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Speaker 1: publicly sharing it. Maybe they're sharing information, but they're not

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Speaker 1: information out publicly, all right, because obviously, if someone's following

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Speaker 2: All your right deliberately withheld from the public.

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Speaker 1: Right it is the most significant piece of new evidence.

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Speaker 1: If Amy Bradley has a child, then we know she

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Speaker 1: didn't die at sea, and then maybe there's a way

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Speaker 1: twisted and crazy case of the murdaw murders. First of all,

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Speaker 1: there's two documentaries that I watched. There is a Hulu

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Speaker 1: documentary called The Murdaw Murders A Deadly Dynasty, which is great.

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Speaker 1: Now Hulu has come out with a new It's not

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Speaker 1: it comes to dramatizations, what do you think? Like, I

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Speaker 2: Otherwise you just watch an action flick, any kind of

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Speaker 1: Right. They stuck to the facts, and that's why I

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: They had some side stories as to where they add

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Speaker 1: They're trying to add more to the characters. I don't

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you watch these things and there's conversation, you're like,

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Speaker 2: how do they know that conversation took place? But they're

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Alex Murdach. He was a

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Speaker 1: once prominent South Carolina attorney, a member of a powerful

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Speaker 1: Mozelle Cow eighteen acres Acres YEA. The investigation into those

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Speaker 1: two murders unraveled a web of financial crimes, corruption, and deceit.

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Speaker 1: Prosecutors alleged that Murdoch killed his family members to distract

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Speaker 1: He had been stealing millions from his law firm and

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Speaker 2: And this last firm goes back generations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah, it's like his great great grandfather was

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Speaker 2: Know everyone, everyone knows them.

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Speaker 1: So this case drew national attention not just for the

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Speaker 1: deep rooted influence of the Murdoff family in South Carolina's

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Speaker 1: Who they are, why they're so powerful. So the Murdof

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Speaker 1: Hampton County, South Carolina. Their prominence began back in nineteen

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Speaker 1: PMPED Law Firm. Obviously, PMPED stands for all the last

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Speaker 1: Something they could have an eye. It's a personal entry,

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Speaker 1: A pimp law fer. I mean he kind of ran

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Speaker 1: From nineteen twenty to two thousand and six, three generations

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Speaker 1: of murder men. Randolph Senior, Randolph Junior, and Randolph the

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Speaker 1: being exposed. So we're going to start there. Ebruary twenty fourth,

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, was the Murdall boating accident. This is when

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Speaker 1: the youngest son, Paul Murdall, was driving friends out on

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Speaker 2: He's like twenty right or something.

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Speaker 1: Or he's nineteen at the time when he strivers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so there were six longtime friends that were on a

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Speaker 1: So Paul Murdall was indicted on three felony counts.

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Speaker 2: Well the parents are stupid for they fuel these their kid.

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Speaker 1: system is slow. But not only the system is slow,

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00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: but I'm sure that they are influence on the system

433
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: being slow. So on June seventh of twenty twenty one,

434
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: so this is two years later, because the boat crash

435
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: happened in twenty nineteen, Maggie and Paul Murdall are murdered.

436
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: The morning of June seventh. Is the mom, this is

437
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: the mom, and the boat driver, Paul Murdall, the youngest

438
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: son driving the boat. So on the morning of June seventh,

439
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the chief financial officer at Alex Murdall's

440
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: namesake law firm confronts him this is the morning of

441
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: the murder, confronts him about seven hundred and ninety two

442
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and missing funds from the law firm.

443
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: Did you take it straight from their bank account or

444
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: he took it from settlements? I think right, settlements. Well,

445
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: the way that he being paid out.

446
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and the documentaries, and I mean he's

447
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: he's charged with like eventually after the murders, he's charged

448
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: with like twenty one financial crimes or something. So he's

449
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: he has a ongoing long pattern of being able to

450
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: defraud the system. And basically because he's an attorney and

451
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: they do personal injury, he has, you know, invaluable knowledge

452
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: of the inner workings of insurance and personal injury and

453
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: all those things. However, he uses it for evil, right,

454
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: instead of good.

455
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's too much to the inside, right.

456
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: So, the way I understand it is there is a

457
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: a company called Forge, which is one of those financial

458
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: settlement companies, you know what I'm talking about, where you know,

459
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,239
Speaker 1: you come into money, but instead of taking it as

460
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: a lump sum, those companies manage the money for you

461
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: and then pay out payments so that you don't end

462
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: up spending all your.

463
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: Money, allows the money and it's very safe, right.

464
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: So there was a company like that called Forge. So

465
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: the way I understand it as Alex Murdau opened a

466
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: personal banking account but called it Forge. Then he would

467
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: get his clients when they got these settlements, to deposit

468
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: the money into this account called Forge. However, it wasn't

469
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: a legitimate business that was going to pay them out

470
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: their money. It was his own, it was his own

471
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: personal banking account is a little druggy fund, right, And

472
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: then I don't know how he manages, but I guess,

473
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: like you said when we talked about this before, where

474
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: he would just constantly keep his clients at Bay saying

475
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: there's no settlement.

476
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: That's almost like a pyramid scheme. So you get like,

477
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: you know, a two million dollars settlement or whatever, and

478
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: then he would be like, Okay, you're going to get like,

479
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: you know, thirty thousand a year. So he gives them

480
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 2: thirty thousand a year, but that's nothing. He's probably robbing

481
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: from Paul to pay Peter and doing all kinds of things.

482
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 2: And these people if as so long as they get

483
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of money at a time his promise,

484
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: they think it's all legit.

485
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's paying them anything. I don't

486
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: know either, But I mean, I think for the majority

487
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: of his clients who receive settlement money and he was

488
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: depositing into his own bank account, I think he was

489
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: just telling them that they're no settlement had come in yet,

490
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: which I don't understand that thinking, because at some point

491
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: people are going to start asking.

492
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: At some point, it's going to catch up, but he's

493
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: not thinking like that. He's a criminal. They never they

494
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: always think they're never going to get caught. Otherwise he

495
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't commit a crime. So he's not worried about.

496
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: That all right. Then the evening of June seventh, twenty

497
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: twenty one, this is around seven to eight thirty pm,

498
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul are at Mozelle together. Also, a lot

499
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: of people thought it was strange that Maggie the mom

500
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: was at Mozelle because a lot of people were saying

501
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: that she didn't like to be there. That's their hunting Mozell.

502
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: Mozelle's their hunting property. So they have a house.

503
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: This is all on the same huge piece of properties.

504
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: Well they have they have another home. Jeez, that she

505
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: would always be at, but then Mozelle was the hunting property.

506
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: The seventeen hundred acres with the dog.

507
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: Wasn't normal for it. She wouldn't like casually go there

508
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: all the time.

509
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: No, So she apparently he had called her that morning

510
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: or something and asked her to be there.

511
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 2: The record show right, so.

512
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: Phone records show there, So that was suspicious. Around eight

513
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: forty five this is this is the damn the most

514
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: damning piece of evidence against him. He claims that he

515
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: wasn't there, that he was at his parents' house having dinner.

516
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: When did he make that statement to police?

517
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: So he calls NA the crime right, So he calls

518
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: nine one one right and says, you know, I found

519
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: my son and wife murdered. And then he's like and

520
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: then when they ask him, you know, where were you

521
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: were all those questions, He's like, I wasn't here. I

522
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: was at my parents. I just came you know later

523
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: and found them like this, And he claims that he

524
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: wasn't at Mozelle all day, all evening at all until

525
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: he arrived to find them murdered. However, at eight forty

526
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: four pm, Paul was making a Snapchat video of himself

527
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: and the kennels with the dogs, and you can and

528
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: you can hear Alex Murdall the dad in the background of.

529
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: The video talking inaudible or do we know what he's saying.

530
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: I listened to it. I don't remember what he was saying, but.

531
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: Nothing significant, just shows nothing.

532
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: Significant, but it's clear that it's him, and it's clear

533
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: that it's his voice. Okay, the investigators claim that the

534
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: murders took place approximately between eight fifty and eight fifty

535
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: five PM. That's a very small window. That's five minutes.

536
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how they figure figure out a five

537
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: minute timeframe, but that's.

538
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't know either. Well, the phone calls and there

539
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: might have been a lot of things that narrowed it

540
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: down the time of death, and they limited it to

541
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: so five minutes.

542
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: So Paul was shot twice with a twelve gage shotgun.

543
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: The first shot hit his chest and shoulder. The second

544
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: fatal shot entered his head at close range, blowing off

545
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: part of his skull and brain matters.

546
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: Dad just blew him up, yeah, like to.

547
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: His like right up close to his head. Okay, And

548
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: I tell you this this is a little side story.

549
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: But when I posted on my Instagram a couple days

550
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: ago that we were going to talk about the murder murders,

551
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: and I posted that, a fan, someone that follows me

552
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: reached out and sent me a message and said that

553
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: they were really interested in this case and they'd followed

554
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: it the whole time, and that they actually went to

555
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: the Mozelle property. I don't know how they did. Yeah,

556
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: she sent me a bunch of photos of it, like

557
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: up close photos of her just like and the dog

558
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: canoles and like she posted one I don't maybe, but

559
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: she sent the photos to me and she said that

560
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: there's still brain matter like in the feeding room is

561
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: where the Paul was shot, untouched. And first of all,

562
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: I was thinking, is this just is this not a

563
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: crime scene anymore? It's just seventeen hundred acres out in

564
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: the middle of the low country of South Carolina where

565
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: you can just pull up and park and walk around.

566
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: And apparently, well, now I want to take a field trip.

567
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: I've already been to the Meninda's house. Now I'd like

568
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: to go to South Carolina. I want to walk on

569
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: the Mozelle property. All right. Then Maggie was shot after Paul,

570
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: and Maggie was shot five times with a three hundred

571
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: blackout semi automatic rifle.

572
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: Five times in the head.

573
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: No from behind, because she was struck while trying to flee.

574
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: She was hitting the back and the back of the head.

575
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's probably how they determined the order too.

576
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: It's because she's running right, and Paul probably was the

577
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: position where he wasn't running right.

578
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: I have a feeling Paul, well, Paul was probably caught

579
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: off guard. Right, he's in the kennels. He's probably like

580
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: feeding the dogs on snapchat. Right, he's not paying attention.

581
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: His dad comes up close range and shoots him right

582
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: there in the dog kennels. My, I mean, I'm just speculating.

583
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: This is all alleged, but I have a feeling that

584
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: Maggie heard the gun shot, the gunshot, came out, saw

585
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: what happened, and then took off and he grabbed He

586
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: used two different guns, So I can't tell if he

587
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: used two different guns.

588
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: Because you mentioned this the other day. And he's a hunter.

589
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: Now I learned he has a hunting property, right and

590
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: a house for hunting or whatever.

591
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: He was on tons of guns, right, Okay, But here's

592
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: my question. Do you think that the intent was to

593
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: kill the mom and the son or your son and

594
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: the mom happened to come upon.

595
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: I think you're right. Maybe he considered it as a

596
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: possibility because Paul was in the boating accident. Paul committed

597
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: a murder by way of a boating accident. It was

598
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: going to tear the family apart in terms of the reputation,

599
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: at least as far as the dad saw it. In

600
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: what mattered to him. And so Paul was a loose cannon.

601
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: He was a loose end. He was a drunk, he

602
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: was a snapping all the time. He was doing all

603
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff.

604
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: Do you mean social media or do you mean like psychologically, Well, so.

605
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: He's posting that he's drinking when he's just a mess.

606
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: They probably can't keep it under control. And also you

607
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: didn't mention it. But the older son was in law

608
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: school at the time, at the same law school that

609
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: the prior generations went, so he was carrying on the

610
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: family tradition. He was like the quote unquote smart one.

611
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 2: He was the one that was doing what was probably

612
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: expected and hoped of the parents. Paul was a drinker,

613
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: he was a menace, a partier, was always whatever whatever

614
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: was going on. And I know it sounded like they

615
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: were enabling him, right, They weren't caring for him. They

616
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: were just letting him do whatever. So he probably saw

617
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: him as less and thought, I'll kill him off. He'll

618
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: be he won't be a loose end, he won't be

619
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: convicted of murder.

620
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: But see, but he called the mom and asked her

621
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: to come to the hunting properties, so he must have

622
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: intended to kill the kids. So now I'm changing myself.

623
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: Because originally I thought he was going to eliminate both

624
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: of them.

625
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he and the reason she ran is because

626
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: he's only one person, so he can only shoot one

627
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: at a time, so.

628
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: He shoots all two guns. Yeah. Yeah, So I think he.

629
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: Had the guns positioned somewhere in the kennel hidden.

630
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: Well, then that might be why he had two guns. Maybe,

631
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: depending on where they were, he planted two different guns.

632
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then maybe he planted the two different guns

633
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: because he was hoping it could be some type of

634
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: like story that it was a couple of people that.

635
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: Write different people.

636
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Okay, the guns were never found, so that's interesting to me.

637
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: How he got rid of them so fast.

638
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: Well, he's got a big piece of property. This is

639
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: not his first rodeo he does.

640
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how he did it. They did show

641
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: on the cell phone data that his phone was like

642
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: either turned off or like completely inactive for hours and

643
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: hours and hours, and then right after the murders happened,

644
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: then it showed like two hundred and eighty six like

645
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: steps like all of a sudden on his on his

646
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: cell phone.

647
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: He turned it while he was running or something.

648
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know either, He was like either, I don't know,

649
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: but it showed like a huge amount of activity.

650
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: All we've turned your phone off.

651
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't turn my phone off. Nobody turns their phone off.

652
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: At the most you reboot it. Yeah right, and you

653
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: don't even do that, but if you, you would reboot

654
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: it so it'd be off for like a minute.

655
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: Okay. What people need to do is they need to

656
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: not turn their phone off. You just have to leave

657
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: it somewhere. You just can't have a cell phone on it.

658
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: And put it in an uber and let it drive

659
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: around for a while, create an alibi, and then get back.

660
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: That's brilliant. Just put it.

661
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: Put it in an uber.

662
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, all right, to a squirrel, let it

663
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: run around.

664
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: Okay. Both weapons were family owned firearms, though neither gun

665
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: was ever recovered. They did during the investigation, they did

666
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: find the shell casings. They and then they claimed that

667
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: they found other shell casings on the same property that

668
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: matched those shell casings. So that was more evidence against

669
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: Alex during his trial.

670
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: Evidence.

671
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: So during this time period, his alibi was he claimed

672
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: that he had gone to his mother's house, who suffers

673
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: from dementia, so that's what his alibi was.

674
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: He claimed that he was his is my mother that

675
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: doesn't remember anything, right, Trust trust me? Right.

676
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: So then Alex calls nine to one one, sounding distraught,

677
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: while reporting that he had just returned home to find

678
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul shot near the kennel's. Deputies arrive and

679
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: find Paul well that I just arrived, ye, she says,

680
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: I just arrived right. Deputies arrive and find Paul's body

681
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: inside the feed room at the kennels, and Maggie's body

682
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: is about thirty feet away. Both were obviously deceased. Alex

683
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: tells the officers that he had been visiting his mother

684
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: when the murders happened. He immediately speculates that they were

685
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: tarted over Paul's boat crash case, saying, my son has

686
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: been getting threats and then they began investigating. So the

687
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: boat is really a catalyst of like the boat crash

688
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: of the murders. I believe because I think you're right.

689
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: I think I think Paul going on trial is a

690
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: bad thing because I think Paul knows things about his dad.

691
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: Not only does he know his drug habit.

692
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: I talk about you, right, that Paul was probably aware

693
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: of because he was the one that was always home.

694
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: The other one's out living a normal life, right, and

695
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: he's a drunk and he's at home, right, so he

696
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: knows things.

697
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: So we're going to get into the what happened to

698
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: Gloria Sadderfield, who is the housekeeper who had died back

699
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, So we're gonna have to take a

700
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: little trip back in time. But Paul was there that

701
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: day when she fell, and my I'm just speculating, but

702
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: I think Paul knows what happened to Gloria Sadderfield, and

703
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: the dad knows that if Paul goes on trial, he

704
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: might have loose lips and start talking about things.

705
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: And then so keep in mind, because we talked about

706
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: the boating murder, which was Mallory, and then the housekeeper

707
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: murder was.

708
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know if that's a murder. That was

709
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: never that was never breaking news. It was a murder,

710
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: it was well, it was never confirmed a murder, but

711
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: we can talk.

712
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: About it, Okay. It was a murder like scene that

713
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: was one year before the boating accident. Yes, I mean,

714
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 2: that's that's right. There. You have a family that within

715
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: one year less than one year, there's two deaths, right,

716
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: one in their home and one on their boat. Right, right,

717
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: Let's leave it at that.

718
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Gloria Saderfield since we got into that

719
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: for a little bit. First of all, when we were

720
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: talking about the Hulu dramatization earlier, this is what I

721
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: don't like about it. And you and I were watching it,

722
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: and you picked up on it before I did. The

723
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: Hulu dramatization shows the boat crash of twenty nineteen.

724
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: How it starts.

725
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: That's how it starts. Then it shows several scenes in

726
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: conversations after the fact of Paul with Gloria.

727
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: Sadderfields throughout She's a series.

728
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Throughout the entire thing. The problem is Gloria Sadderfield fell

729
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: down the stairs a year prior, a year prior in

730
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. So this is why I don't like this dramatization,

731
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: because it's not just like conversations where people are using

732
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: creativity to say. They put her into a into a

733
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: scenario that she wasn't around for. They have her talking

734
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: to Paul about the boat crash. I believe Paul takes

735
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: her car to drive to the boat crash scene. He

736
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: calls her there's all these conversations.

737
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: She's heavily involved in this in two thousand and nine,

738
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: helping the family along during this time.

739
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: Right, this is completely inaccurate. She was.

740
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: There.

741
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't know why they did that either, but to me,

742
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: it illegitimizes it.

743
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: It's like if it's like, what else is inaccurate? Right?

744
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: If you're taking someone who died in twenty eighteen and

745
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: inserting them in scenes that took place in twenty nineteen,

746
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: then I don't find this credible anyway. That really bothers

747
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: a lot. So just warning you, I'm not a fan

748
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: of the dramatization because of that. That's just too left

749
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: field for me, that you're inserting someone into scenes that

750
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: wasn't even alive at the time. All right, let's just

751
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: talk about what happened with Gloria a little bit.

752
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: So we're just going so we're going back in time.

753
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: Are you're prior to the boating murder.

754
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: We're going to go back to twenty eighteen because I

755
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: think that makes the most sense. So Gloria Sadderfield was

756
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: the wait.

757
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: Can I say this? Yeah, there's the boating accident, which

758
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: we talked about first. Yes, subsequent to that, there was

759
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: the mother and the son who was the boating under

760
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: the influenced kid then prior to that, so now we

761
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: have some other everything else is being highlighted like people

762
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: are going back in time highlighting the boat murder and

763
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: highlighting the housekeeper's death right and say murder, right, and

764
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: then the other one too.

765
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: Right, So we're going to go back to twenty eighteen.

766
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: So Gloria Sadderfield was the Murdaw's longtime housekeeper. She allegedly

767
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: fell on the steps of the family's Mozella estate and

768
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: I remember that's their hunting law and later died from

769
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: her injuries. The Murdaws claimed she tripped over the family

770
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: dogs while walking up the steps. Gloria did not die

771
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: at the scene, but she was unable to tell anyone

772
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: exactly what happened before she passed due to her injuries.

773
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: I believe she spent like a week in the hospital

774
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: and was never able to fully communicate. Alex Murdau encouraged

775
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: Gloria's sons to sue him for wrongful death, claiming that

776
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: he would ensure that they received the insurance settlement. This

777
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: is really interesting to me because this is a very

778
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: elaborate scheme. And this is why I do not think

779
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: that this was an accident. First of all, he took

780
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: out an umbrella policy on the hunting lodge on that

781
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: property one month before her.

782
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: Oh really, one month before he'd had another policy.

783
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: And I'm well, I'm saying it legally it has not

784
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: been confirmed a murder, but I'm saying he took out

785
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: an insurance policy one month before she fell down the stairs. Also,

786
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: when he told investigators what happened, he made sure to

787
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: tell investigators that she was not there that day working

788
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: in the scope of being a housekeeper.

789
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that way it falls within the in policy, right,

790
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: otherwise it'd be a work comp claim exactly, doesn't pay

791
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: much at all.

792
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: Right, He said that she was only there to pick

793
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: something up or to drop something off, not working as

794
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: a housekeeper. Also, it was found out later that the

795
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: dogs had nothing to do with her fall. That he

796
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: inserted the dogs into this whole scenario so that it

797
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: would be a property claim because it's like his dogs

798
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: that lived on the property caused the injury. Therefore it

799
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: would fall under these umbrella policies. So then he goes

800
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: to her sons and says, hey, I want to help

801
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: you out. Why don't you sue my estate and I'll

802
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: represent you and.

803
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: Then you'll get you know, insurance consulting.

804
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: Right, So then he brings on like another attorney. He's

805
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: sending letters, and some financial advisor guy too, they're in

806
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: on it as well. And then he's he's constantly on

807
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: the insurance company. He's sending them letters demanding payment with

808
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: his name on it, his own letterhead. Yes, he's representing

809
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: them against himself, which I don't even understand ethics.

810
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 2: Against his Well, he's the policy holder. He's not suing himself.

811
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: He's suing the insurance company. But he's the policy holder, right.

812
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that's a conflict of interest. I

813
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: don't understand how ethically you can even represent.

814
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: You're wondering about ethics this, I no, not at all.

815
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: The man has no ethics. I mean he's a monster,

816
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. I'm just saying, like, why

817
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: the bar wasn't I mean, I guess this guy just

818
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: does whatever he wants, and you know, he's so used

819
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: to it. It doesn't no one's anyway. So he represents

820
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: them against himself and in his insurance policies and then

821
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: he ends up collecting over four million dollars from these

822
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: different I think it was four point I saw four

823
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: point and four point three, but over four tax free

824
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: takes the money again, I think he deposits it into

825
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: that account he calls like the Forge account and then

826
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: continues to tell the brother the sons that they haven't

827
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: received settlement payments.

828
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, like still I'm hounding them. I'm waiting, right, So

829
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: there you go.

830
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: All I know is I know it wasn't it. It

831
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: hasn't been classified as a murder. He wasn't prosecuted for

832
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: it as a murder. But the fact that he took

833
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 1: out a numbrella insurance policy a month before, the fact

834
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: that she fell down the stairs and had like blunt

835
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: force trauma to her head, and that he immediately offered

836
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: to represent and sue. But the question is was he

837
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: there at the time, because he claims that he wasn't.

838
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: There, It doesn't matter. He said it all up.

839
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: But then who pushed or through her or no? But

840
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: he set it up I know anyway, Again, Paul was

841
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: definitely there and the mom was definitely there. So again

842
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: that leads me to believe that maybe that's why he

843
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: ended up murdering the mom and the brother because again

844
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't want anything to come out about what happened

845
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: to Gloria Sadderfield, and maybe they were both loosened in

846
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: the Gloria Sadfield situations. Right, So there you go. That

847
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: was twenty eighteen. That was one year before the voting accident.

848
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: We'll just go back a little bit in January of

849
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. This is when his trial starts. On

850
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: February first, prosecutors play a video taken by Paul Murdall

851
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: on the night he was killed. Alex Murdall's voice can

852
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: clearly be heard in the background, contradicting his claim that

853
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: he was not at the crime scene that night. So

854
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: that was at eight forty four pm, which places him there.

855
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: In March of twenty twenty three, after weeks of testimony,

856
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: jurors deliberated for less than three hours before returning guilty

857
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: verdicts on all four charges. Murdall was facing two counts

858
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: of murder and two counts of possession of a weapon

859
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: and the commission of a violent crime. He is sentenced

860
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: the next day to life in prison. Now this has

861
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: happened recently in twenty twenty five. In May fourteenth of

862
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, the former Colton County Clerk of court.

863
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: That was a lot of That was a lot of sees.

864
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: Do you hear that?

865
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: Colton County Clerk of court. Her name is Becky Hill.

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Speaker 1: She is arrested and charged with obstructing justice and two

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Speaker 1: counts of misconduct and one count of perjury related to

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Speaker 1: Alex Murdaw's murder trial. She was the clerk of court

869
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Speaker 1: at the time, but she was writing a book about

870
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Speaker 1: the criminal trial, and she was also making inappropriate comments

871
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Speaker 1: to jurors to persuade them to find a guilty verdict.

872
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Speaker 1: So the question is, right, what's the legal standard? Was

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Speaker 1: what she did? Would that have altered the outcome?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division they call it SLED.

876
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Speaker 1: SLED had been investigating her over allegations of jury tampering

877
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Speaker 1: in the trial well and Murdaw's legal team requested a

878
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Speaker 1: new trial based on those allegations. The trial court denied

879
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Speaker 1: it at the time. However, this is where we're at currently,

880
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Speaker 1: This is twenty twenty five. This is where we're at

881
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Speaker 1: with his life sentenced and his conviction. His defense attorneys

882
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Speaker 1: appealed to the South Carolina Supreme Court. Both sides issued briefs,

883
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Speaker 1: and now it is currently they took on the case

884
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Speaker 1: and now it's currently with the South Carolina Supreme Court

885
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Speaker 1: to decide whether he's entitled to a new trial based

886
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Speaker 1: upon her being found guilty of jury tampering and persuading

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Speaker 1: the jury. So that's in limbo right now. It's with

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00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: the South Carolina Supreme Court, and there is no deadline.

889
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: They don't have a deadline.

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00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: They can just decide to look at it. Look, they

891
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: can look at.

892
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: It when they want to look at it, and they

893
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Speaker 1: can schedule the worlds.

894
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: Let him serve twenty years first, then we'll look at it. Right.

895
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Speaker 1: The next step if they move forward at all with

896
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Speaker 1: this would be to schedule or oral arguments for both sides.

897
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: So basically, either they'll ignore it and let it just

898
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Speaker 1: go on and on and on and not do anything

899
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: about it, where they will schedule oral arguments. But right

900
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Speaker 1: now his case is with the South Carolina Supreme Court.

901
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: So that's where we're at with that. All Right, one

902
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Speaker 1: last death on going further back, right, going even further

903
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Speaker 1: back now we're going to go back to twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Is the death of Steven Smith, which occurred on July

905
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Speaker 1: eighth of two thoy and fifteen. Now, his death was

906
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: just immediately ruled a hit and run. He was found

907
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: dead in the on the kind of in the middle

908
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Speaker 1: of the road actually with like blunt force trauma to

909
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Speaker 1: his head. But there were many people that believed it

910
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: wasn't a hit and run because I guess there were

911
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: no skid marks on the you know, on the road,

912
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: and his shoes were still intact.

913
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: Which I hit and run with those skid marks. Yeah, Well,

914
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Speaker 2: they were.

915
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Speaker 1: Saying that it didn't look like a typical hit and

916
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: run looks like and I guess because he still had

917
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Speaker 1: his shoes on. I didn't know this. I'd never heard

918
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Speaker 1: this before, but I guess when people are hit with

919
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Speaker 1: high velocity impact they take their shoes, but their shoes

920
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Speaker 1: come off. I guess that's a common thing. But anyway,

921
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: his shoes key boots fell off.

922
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Speaker 2: Once when I got hit by another skier. Oh really,

923
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: the same thing, Yeah, yeah, actually skis Yeah yeah, they

924
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Speaker 2: hit your out fast, very hard, knocked out of me. Yeah,

925
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Speaker 2: and your ski boots flew off. No, I flew out

926
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Speaker 2: of the ski boots all the ski boots down the hill. Yes,

927
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Speaker 2: they were still they were fine.

928
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just went out of them, yes, all right.

929
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: So Stephen Smith was a nineteen year old nursing student

930
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Speaker 1: who was found dead in the middle of a rural

931
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Speaker 1: road in Hampton County, South Carolina. This again was back

932
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. Steven's body had severe head trauma, but

933
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Speaker 1: no vehicular debris was found, and his loose fitting shoes

934
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Speaker 1: still remained on his feet. South Carolina Law Enforcement Division

935
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: initially declines the case and defers it to the Highway Patrol,

936
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Speaker 1: saying that it's a hit and run, even though despite

937
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Speaker 1: there being suspicious circumstances, the official determination leans toward hit

938
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Speaker 1: and run. Then, for a year or so, the investigation

939
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Speaker 1: stalls unfounded. Rumors circulate that Buster Murdall may be connected

940
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Speaker 1: to the case, as his name appears multiple times in

941
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: investigative notes. So while they're investigating this, they're talking to

942
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: like a bunch of kids, right because this guy, this

943
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Speaker 1: kid's young. So there, and it shows in the documentary

944
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of recorded conversations with these kids in

945
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Speaker 1: the area, and they're all bringing up Buster Murdall's name.

946
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Speaker 1: I heard it was Buster. I heard it was Buster.

947
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Speaker 1: I heard Buster and this kid, Stephen Smith, who was gay.

948
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Speaker 2: Buster was the older son, right right.

949
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Speaker 1: But this is back in twenty fifteen, so he's not

950
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Speaker 1: in law school yet. But people were saying that they

951
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Speaker 1: had heard rumors that, you know, Buster was allegedly involved

952
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: with him romantically, and you know, maybe that was the

953
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Speaker 1: intent to you know, I don't know. No one is

954
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Speaker 1: charged in the Smith family believe Stephen was murdered and

955
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Speaker 1: that the investigation was influenced or mishandled. Now they reopened

956
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: the case after the murders of Maggie and Paul because

957
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Speaker 1: while they are investigating the murders of Maggie and Paul,

958
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Speaker 1: something comes up during this investigation that leads them back

959
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Speaker 1: to Steven Smith. I don't know what they've I've never

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Speaker 1: seen anywhere where they've elaborated on that.

961
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Speaker 2: Well, probably just the fact that there's murders all around

962
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Speaker 2: this family. I don't want to look into all of them.

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00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's it. I think that there's specific details.

964
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Speaker 1: Something comes up during the investigation that leads them back

965
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: because they exoom the body.

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Speaker 2: Oh, because at the time of that hit and run

967
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Speaker 2: or whatever it was, the murdocks were not well witnesses.

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Speaker 2: This reference buster. But that's as far as it got.

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00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were just kids saying they heard rumors. Right,

970
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Speaker 1: So they're talking and this is back in twenty fifteen.

971
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Speaker 1: This is prior to all these other killings.

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Speaker 2: So for whatever reason that connection was made, whether it

973
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Speaker 2: was those witness statements.

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00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: Right. So then in twenty twenty one, when they are

975
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Speaker 1: investigating the murders of Maggie and Paul, there is evidence

976
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: that comes forward that leads them back to the Stephen

977
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: Smith hit and run or murder, whatever you want to

978
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Speaker 1: call it, and they reopen the case and they actually

979
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: exhume his body.

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00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: Is that for a job title body bodies? I can't.

981
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: I you know what, every time I read something that

982
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: a body was exhumed, like years later, I'm like, who

983
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: is the person that opens the casket? That's what I

984
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: want to know? Who does that?

985
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: I don't know?

986
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: Would you ever want to be that person?

987
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: No?

988
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: Me neither, because first of all, I don't even know,

989
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna find? I don't like you

990
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: open it? What's in there?

991
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: I know?

992
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: But I mean, what's it gonna look like? Like?

993
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: How much botox and fillery.

994
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: Out if anybody wants to exhume my body, I'm just

995
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna look just like this. So Sled releases a statement

996
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: confirming Steven Smith's death is being investigated as a homicide,

997
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: not a hit and run. This comes after forensic review

998
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: and pressure from Smith's family and their legal team. The

999
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: Smith family raises money to exzoom Steven's body for an

1000
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: independent autopsy. Doctor Aaron Presnell. Original autopsy from twenty fifteen

1001
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: is heavily scrutinized for ruling blunt force head trauma as

1002
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Speaker 1: caused by the vehicle impact. So Then, in April of

1003
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, after the body was exhumed, a second

1004
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: autopsy is performed. The findings are not publicly publicly released,

1005
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: but reinforce foul play. Then in July of twenty twenty five,

1006
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Speaker 1: this is the most recent thing I could find. I

1007
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: don't think that Buster Murdall was involved in this. I

1008
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: think that this family is so prominent, and everybody knows

1009
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: their names, and everybody knows Buster Murdall, and everybody knows

1010
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: Paul Murdall, and these have bad reputations and they get

1011
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: away with everything. I think it was I think it

1012
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: was just a rumor mill that spread naming Buster probably

1013
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: the right something like that, like that was kind of

1014
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: the five. So now the there's two persons of interest.

1015
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: They haven't been charged with any but there was a

1016
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: guy named Patrick Wilson and another guy named Sean Connolly

1017
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: have been repeatedly discussed in nationwide reporting regarding this murder case.

1018
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: A confidential source close to Patrick Wilson provided an exclusive

1019
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: first hand account detailing Wilson's confession the day Steven Smith died.

1020
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: Patrick reportedly told the source, I think we hit somebody.

1021
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: I think we killed someone before vomiting multiple times. I

1022
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: think they were out driving. I think this is just

1023
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: me speculating. I don't know, but I think they were driving,

1024
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: probably driving fast, maybe they were driving drunk. And then

1025
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: I think the mirror on the side of a big

1026
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: truck maybe hit him in the head and that's what

1027
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: caused the blunt force trauma. But this interview and all

1028
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: other interviews pertaining to Steven Smith have been handed over

1029
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: to SLED and no one has officially been convicted yet.

1030
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: That was the most recent article I could find. This

1031
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: is July of twenty twenty five, so we don't know

1032
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: what's going on. There obviously haven't released any information, and

1033
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Steven Smith. So we'll just

1034
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: continue to follow that to see if anything else comes out.

1035
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: Okay, so this has never really been tied to it, then, no,

1036
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: there was just I think that I think.

1037
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Speaker 1: The actual investigation was clouded by the rumors that it

1038
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: was Buster murdaal and I think he I don't think

1039
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: he had anything to do with that.

1040
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: Sum Up, we have the house keeper two thousand and

1041
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 2: eight fell down the stairs. Yes, and he helped her

1042
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: children sue his insurance company and gave them nothing and

1043
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 2: kept it all right. And then there's a boating murder

1044
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. He does everything he can to help

1045
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: cover it up, including killing his son and wife.

1046
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know if that's the reason. We're just speculating,

1047
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: but yes, in twenty twenty one, what it was, well

1048
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: it changed.

1049
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, it's confenced.

1050
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: That's why. That's the reason.

1051
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: Wait, he had an opioid addiction, that that's where a

1052
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: lot of the money was.

1053
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: Well you know what, yeah, well you know what I

1054
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: read and I don't even understand this. I read that

1055
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: he said in an interview that he was spending close

1056
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: to fifty thousand dollars a week on opioids. How is

1057
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: that possible?

1058
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: Because his joy dealer knows he has money, and he

1059
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: probably charges him a premium. He was paying whatever it took.

1060
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 2: That dealer knew he was hooked and he had money,

1061
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: but it doesn't matter. It was a lot of drugs

1062
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: and that guy was burning a lot of money and

1063
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: taking them. Yeah, he's probably taking him every hour at

1064
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: that rate.

1065
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's insane. Fifty thousand dollars a week, yeah,

1066
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: I know, on a drug habit. Yeah, I mean his

1067
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: drug dealer's got to be like driving around in a

1068
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: he's still trying cases, like he's still like functioning. All right,

1069
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: There's one more thing that we have to talk about.

1070
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: This man is so whacked but so good at defrauding

1071
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: insurance companies that he has another attempt to defraud an

1072
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: insurance company by coming up with a scheme. This is

1073
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, where he's going to He is

1074
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: so his drug dealer, who's also like a distant cousin

1075
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: of his. They call him cousin Eddie. I guess they

1076
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: can cock some plan where Alex Murdall is going to

1077
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: be on the side of the road and has like

1078
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: a flat tire or something, and then the cousin's supposed

1079
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: to come along and shoot him in the head, which

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00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: would be a murder. So then that Buster Murdoch can

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00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: collect ten million dollars in insurance money.

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Speaker 2: So this was the way he wanted to kill himself

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00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: because of his drug addiction or something.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't I don't know. Did he get shot, yeah,

1085
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: but we I still don't know if he shot himself

1086
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: or if Eddie shot him. Because shot in the head, yeah,

1087
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,959
Speaker 1: but it didn't it didn't go through like a skull

1088
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: or anything. It was a surface, superficial shot that has

1089
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: kind of grazed. So and it's still unknown to me.

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00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I tried to find it out, but

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00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: I can't really tell what exactly happened, whether he shot

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00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: himself or whether cousin Eddie shot him. But on September

1093
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: fourth of twenty twenty one, Alex Murdoch calls nine to

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00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: one one and reports that he was shot while on

1095
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: the side of the road fixing a flat tire. He

1096
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: was taken to a hospital where he was treated for

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00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: a superficial gunshot wound to the head. Court documents alleged

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00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: that Murdaw's roadside shooting was part of an arrangement in

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00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: which he hired someone to kill him so that his

1100
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: surviving son, Buster, could collect a life insurance payout of

1101
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: about ten million dollars. I tell you, that's where you

1102
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: are so.

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00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: Crazy, Wow, while he was committing suicide, right, well, we

1104
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: believe one possible scenario was he was trying to commit

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00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: suicide but by way of staging it as a murder, Yeah,

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00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 2: to collect insurance.

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Speaker 1: Fun So he stages this suicide attempt or murder or

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00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. This is after he

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00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: murdered his wife and son and is about to go

1110
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 1: on trial, so maybe that was his way of avoiding trial.

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00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm just gonna like, I'm gonna have

1112
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: this guy shoot me in the head and take me out,

1113
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna leave Buster ten million dollars.

1114
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: Fifty thousand dollars worth of opioids while I'm in prison.

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00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: He can't, Yeah, right, How am I going to scam

1116
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: people out of their lawsuits? I can't? Right?

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00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: Then, Curtis Edward Smith, who is a cousin of Alex

1118
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: the guy they call cousin Eddie is the one who

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00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: allegedly shot him. Many thought Curtis was Alex's drug dealer

1120
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: and co conspirator in the shady business deals and money schemes.

1121
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: So in June, this is a crazy timeline. This guy

1122
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: is just like busy where he's busy. This man is

1123
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: a busy man. I wonder he has to take so

1124
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: many opioids in order to be able to wake up

1125
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: every day, get defraud everybody that he's defrauding, and kill his.

1126
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: Family anyone that is getting in his way.

1127
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: He's got to take fifty thousand dollars a week in

1128
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: opioids to be able to do all of that. So

1129
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: this is June of twenty twenty two where he's indicted

1130
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: on the two counts of criminal conspiracy. That's to get

1131
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: the ten million dollars in life insurance funds for Buster.

1132
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: Then in July of twenty twenty two, that's when he's

1133
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: indicted on two counts of murder for his son and

1134
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: his wife, and the two weapons counts in connection with

1135
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: those twenty twenty one killings. All right, so let's talk

1136
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: about where Buster Murda is currently. He's the only remaining

1137
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: son He's not only is he the only remaining son,

1138
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: he's the only remaining.

1139
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 2: Bird Dog family, right, the only offspring left.

1140
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: So Buster went from being a member of one of

1141
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: South Carolina's most well known families to living a life

1142
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: in near isolation, cutting off contact from most of his

1143
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: social circle following his mother and brother's deaths. He really

1144
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: withdrew after everything happened, a former college roommate told People

1145
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: Magazine in twenty twenty two. He has really closed off

1146
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: and built walls around himself. I mean, I don't blame

1147
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: the guy. Can you imagine. I mean, oh, your mother's murdered,

1148
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: your brother's murdered, your dad goes on trial for murdering

1149
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: your mom and your brother. You're implicated, and this all

1150
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: this crime against I'm.

1151
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: Not going to hire you that you had all these

1152
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: hopes for you, Like I'm going to work with my

1153
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: dad's law firm, Pimped And then they don't want to

1154
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: hire you. They're like, no, thank you.

1155
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: So Buster has never returned to Mozelle or his family's

1156
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: beach house on a Deesto Island, where his mother was

1157
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: staying before her death. He also avoids his hometown of Hampton.

1158
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: He claims, I get stopped and yelled at all the time.

1159
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: I got cussed at in a gas station the other day,

1160
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: Buster told his father in a taped jailhouse phone call.

1161
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: To escape, Buster moved into his girlfriend, Brooklyn White, South

1162
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: Carolina condo. The longtime couple went on to purchase a

1163
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: home together in bluffed in, South Carolina in May of

1164
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Does Buster believe his dad?

1165
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: He does that.

1166
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: I thought that was crazy, but maybe he needs to.

1167
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he believes that his dad's innocent, and the

1168
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: murders of his.

1169
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: Mom, well, if Rouster was familiar with the other murders

1170
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: and that shady stuff was going in the family, then

1171
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: maybe he's just, you know, complying and being part of

1172
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: it to cover up.

1173
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: Buster has stood by his father, maintaining his innocence during

1174
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: and after his trial. In an interview with Fox Nation

1175
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: in August of twenty twenty three, Buster doubled down on

1176
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: his stands that his father was innocent and did not

1177
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: belong in prison. I do not think that he could

1178
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: be affiliated with endangering my mother and brother. We have

1179
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: been here for a while now and that's been my stance.

1180
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: Buster added that he believed his father's trial was not

1181
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: fair and that pre trial publicity led the jury to

1182
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: form predetermined opinions about him. I think that I told

1183
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: a very unique perspective that nobody else in the courtroom

1184
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: ever held. And I know the love that I have witness,

1185
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: Buster said, referencing his father's loving relationship with his family.

1186
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: Buster also told Fox Nation that he believes the killer

1187
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: is still on the loose and that his safety is

1188
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: at risk as a result. I think I set myself

1189
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: up to be safe, but yes, when I go to

1190
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: bed at night, I have a fear that there is

1191
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: somebody that is still out there, he shared.

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00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: How could that be? I mean the simple fact that

1193
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: he the dad calls nine one one and tells the

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00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: police I arrived and they were murdered. Yeah, and then

1195
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: there's snap video, right, which is time stamps of him

1196
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: talking in a casual tone prior to the him being murdered. Right.

1197
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. That's why I was saying,

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00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: do you think it's a psychological thing? Where because his

1199
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: mother is now dead and his brother is dead, and

1200
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: he has no one else in the world, maybe psychologically

1201
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: he needs to believe that maybe Dad's.

1202
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: Silence Dad's still controlling everything, and I mean, really, what

1203
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: he needs to do is if he could get all

1204
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: the properties, sell them all and go move to some

1205
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: other town and start over.

1206
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: You know. Also, Buster was kicked out of law school,

1207
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: so he never graduated from law school. I guess he

1208
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: was kicked out for plagiarizing, so he did not finish

1209
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: law school. And also I do know that he currently

1210
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: has lawsuits I believe against Netflix and Hulu and maybe

1211
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: some other media outlets because he claims that they defamed

1212
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: him by alleging that he was involved in Steven Smith's

1213
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: murder in twenty fifteen, and that that's ruined his reputation

1214
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: that he had nothing to do with it, that he

1215
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: wasn't involved, and so we'll see what happens with that

1216
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: as well. That's tricky because they did play actual recorded

1217
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: interviews with people where they say that it was a

1218
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: rumor and they heard that it was Buster. But they

1219
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: played multiple interviews of people alleging that it was Buster.

1220
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: And the question is is that considered defamation or is

1221
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: that an opinion or.

1222
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: Is that it depends on how they word. Yeah. So

1223
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: with that said, everything I said earlier was alleged is.

1224
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: That your caveat at the end.

1225
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:13,479
Speaker 2: Sorry buster.

1226
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: Okay, we have now come to the conclusion of the

1227
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: twisted and crazy tale of Alex Murda and the murder murders.

1228
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: So if you have anything to add to that, any

1229
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: more murders that come up in the South Carolina area

1230
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: that might be tied to murder, make sure.

1231
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: You do me and let me know. Also, I feel

1232
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: like we should plan I llegally Brunette field trip to

1233
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: the Low Country of South Carolina, because apparently you can

1234
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: just walk onto the Lozell property and just walk around,

1235
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: take a look and take photos like it's an amusement park.

1236
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: So see that you don't want to see that? I would?

1237
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: I do?

1238
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: You don't even we go to universities and you won't

1239
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: go to a fake hanted house and you're gonna go

1240
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: see like a real place where someone was murdered and

1241
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 2: brain manners splattered everywhere.

1242
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: That I'm fine with. Yeah, I don't like makes you

1243
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely fine with. All right. Thanks guys for listening

1244
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: to legally Brunette. We appreciate it, and as always, we

1245
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: have moved over to our own feed, so please make

1246
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: sure that you follow us there and listen to our

1247
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: episodes there, so thank you so much for listening. We

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01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Bye.