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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four

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Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams.

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Speaker 1: As we celebrate the NFL's hundreds season, A series of

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Speaker 1: round tables were conducted around the two thousand and eighteen postseason.

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Speaker 1: Consistent of a staggering array of NFL greats, these round

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Speaker 1: tables talked about the NFL's past glory, its present, stars

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Speaker 1: in its promising future. Let's listen in. So we're here

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Speaker 1: celebrating the one anniversary of the NFL. Here with uh

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Speaker 1: some of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game.

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Speaker 1: Joe Namath, Jim Kelly, John Elway, Roger Stalback, and Foul.

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Speaker 1: This is awesome for me. I grew up dreaming about

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Speaker 1: playing the NFL watching you guys who were though, those

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Speaker 1: guys that you watched growing up that kind of inspired

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Speaker 1: your dream to play in the NFL. And I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you, Mr Naming. Well, that's Joe first of all,

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Speaker 1: Otto Graham, I admired, Bobby Lane and that guy just

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Speaker 1: here right there, Roger the Dodger stall Back. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: those are three of the Cats I watched when I

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Speaker 1: grew up. I was a Steeler fan, so my Hebrew

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Speaker 1: watching was Turn Brashaw. When I was a teenager, they

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Speaker 1: won their four Super Bowls Austin Field. I don't want

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Speaker 1: one of those per coach. Oh yeah, Jacquely panty hose

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Speaker 1: and all those things. Well, you know, heck again, I'm

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Speaker 1: like Jim and the fact that I'm in all of

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Speaker 1: the guys, I'm sitting at the table with him. But

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Speaker 1: you know, really made the position what it is today.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, I was a big, huge Cowboy fans,

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Speaker 1: so Roger was a big you know, my idol when

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Speaker 1: I was growing up, you know, not when the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: but how we played the game, and and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of my game is a little bit tailored after his.

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Speaker 1: I had the ability to get out and moved around

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Speaker 1: a little bit, and I think Roger started that. They

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Speaker 1: We're always trying to catch him because he was throwing

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Speaker 1: those touchdown past I was still in the Navy watching

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Speaker 1: Joe Namath changed the whole league when they won the

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Speaker 1: big game there and Super Bowl three, right, and it

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Speaker 1: was it was a big deal. John and I have

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Speaker 1: talked back and forth before, and I admired him the

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Speaker 1: way he played, he he ran. You know, people criticize

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Speaker 1: my running sometimes and but I tried to do it

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Speaker 1: under control. Well. I was lucky growing up because my

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Speaker 1: dad was a voice of the forty Niners, Bob Fouts.

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Speaker 1: I got to know why tittle. But the guy that

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Speaker 1: influenced me more than anybody was Johnny Anditas and I

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Speaker 1: traded to the Chargers my rookie year, and uh, for

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Speaker 1: some reason he took a liking to me. And you know,

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Speaker 1: as long as I kept buying them beers, I was

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Speaker 1: in good shape. So but he taught me so much

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Speaker 1: safety his where is he? Where's that corner? Uh? And

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Speaker 1: that I could be in the same locker with Johnny

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Speaker 1: you here, it was fantastic. Now we're here, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about how great we were and everything, and there's so

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Speaker 1: many entertaining quarterbacks nowadays and the guys that can run

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Speaker 1: and guys with great arms. What has impressed you guys

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Speaker 1: about this young crop? The athletics says them again, are

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Speaker 1: the animals so much bigger, stronger, faster? I think the

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Speaker 1: training methods is so much better over the years. These

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Speaker 1: guys are spending so much more time honing their skills

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Speaker 1: in the off season. When faster, it's quicker. The shotgun

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Speaker 1: getting the ball out of there quickly changed the game.

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Speaker 1: I think the game is really good today. I really

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Speaker 1: the rules. You know, you're not suppose to have people

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Speaker 1: passed a few yards now, but it's still back in

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Speaker 1: the old days. You know, I'll be getting ready to

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Speaker 1: You know. So some of the rules would be fun

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Speaker 1: as a quarterback. You've got to transfer your confidence to

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Speaker 1: how you move around, it's your leadership. If the players

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Speaker 1: is set up today, they're in trouble. I know, I

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Speaker 1: find myself gravitating the Drew Brees and the Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: because he's been there before. He's seen every thing. You

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Speaker 1: know what I've survised after watching Tom. He's had some

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Speaker 1: he's owned up. He has stepped up these answered that

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Speaker 1: challenge more times than anybody. And he's brilliant. And if

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Speaker 1: given the numbers, being a championship, tom is but still

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Speaker 1: you go back, man, I mean Montana was special, Bradshaw

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Speaker 1: was special. You know, these guys are special. Talking about

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Speaker 1: the history, talking about people that influenced us. Take me

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Speaker 1: back to your first NFL memory, whatever that was going

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Speaker 1: and there was an animosity between the two leagues. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: still there, Me and Joe was still there. Jack Lambert's inside,

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Speaker 1: And it's usually picture Jack Lambert with no teeth. They're

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Speaker 1: I wish he was on my team, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: that moment. Well, it wasn't a traumatic experience, but it

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Speaker 1: like this, Joe. So I picked my team and I've

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Speaker 1: something about one of these other quarterbacks that you said, Man,

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Speaker 1: And I wish I had Roger's ability to move around

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Speaker 1: That was one of the things I admired. How old

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Speaker 1: look at Jim I think when you know, with us

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Speaker 1: me is nonsense. Why wouldn't you allow your quarterback, especially

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