1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: I think we are all our toughest critics. 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 2: You know, we speak to ourselves in a way that 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: we would never speak to anyone else, like a friend, 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 2: a family member. And I think at those times that 5 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: all I did was beat myself up and like, wonder 6 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: why I was so sad and like felt so out 7 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 2: of sorts. So I think the main key thing would be, like, 8 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: you need to find ways to be kinder to yourself, 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: like mentally, physically and emotionally. 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, Emily Abadi here bringing you episode one fifty 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: three of Hurdle, a wellness a focused podcast where I 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: sit down with inspiring individuals to talk about big wins, 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: tough moments, and everything in between. On the show, you 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: can expect a vulnerability, motivation, and candid discussions with everyone 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: from top athletes and CEOs to hiring entrepreneurs on what 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: it really takes to follow your passions. My mission is 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: simple to inspire you to be your best self, move 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: with intention, and have some fun along the way. 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 4: For today's episode, I am. 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: So amped understatement to be chatting with Emily Didonado. Beyond 21 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: being my personal style inspiration and a model, Emily is 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: the founder of a new skincare brand called Covey, as 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 3: well as a body positivity advocate. In today's episode, we 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: chat about her journey to self acceptance and the roller 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: coaster that was getting into modeling after being scouted in 26 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: a Connecticut mall. She talks to me about struggling with 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: her size early on, spending hours on end at the gym, 28 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: and eating apple slices trying to be quote unquote. 29 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: The right fit. 30 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: She details one hurdle moment in particular with a makeup 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: artist and a stylist on set that changed everything, empowering 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: her to do away with restrictive behavior and embrace her body, 33 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: empowering others to do the same. 34 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 4: She talks me through the evolution of her career, including big. 35 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: Big, big opportunities with companies like Maybeleine and Chanel and 36 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: Giorgio Armani, and how she even got into the skincare game, 37 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: which as an owner of a small business she is 38 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: finding to be super exciting. 39 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: We also talk about content creation. 40 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: She is a thriving TikTok and Instagram account, New York 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: City living her go to fitness routine. 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I'm super excited. 102 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: I'm super excited too. Okay, I have a confession. 103 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 3: I'm going to call out one of my best friends 104 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: right off the bat here Kara was so geeked. We 105 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 3: send each other your Instagram style videos because we're both 106 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: working on our style game. 107 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 4: Oh my god. And when this inbox, when. 108 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: This email landed in my inbox, like you should chat 109 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: with Emily Didonado, And I was like, no brainer. 110 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 4: Will she come here and get me dressed first? 111 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely? I'm also always working on my style game. But 112 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: I feel really flattered that that was helping anyone at all. 113 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: And you know what I love about your style is 114 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 3: that it's just like I feel like as a woman, 115 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: I'm in my early thirties. Okay, thirty two is early thirties, Yes, 116 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: absolutely right. I feel like sometimes you're like, am I 117 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: in my mid thirties now? Okay, as a woman in 118 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: my early thirties, I just feel like you've got the 119 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: basics on lock. 120 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 4: That's what I'm going for. 121 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: Am, That's always what I'm going for as well. Like 122 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: trends come and go, I'm like, I'm all about mastering 123 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: the basics in all things in life. I'm like, how 124 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: I need this to look good now and I needed 125 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: to look good in ten years from now, Like what's 126 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: going to work? I'll play with trends a little, but like, 127 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: you don't want to be a fashion victim. 128 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 4: You know you don't want to be a fashion victim? 129 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: Now? You say that now, But we're going to get 130 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: into your backstory. I know that growing up you have 131 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: said before that you didn't really feel like you had 132 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: any strong sense of style. 133 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: So talk to me about Talk to me about growing 134 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: up in upstate New York and what that was like 135 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: for you. Yeah. 136 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: I mean I grew up like an hour and a 137 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: half north of Manhattan, and it was like a working 138 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 2: class town, a lot of commuters. It wasn't a fashion 139 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: forward town. I'll tell you that. People always think because 140 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm from New York, They're like, oh, you must have 141 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: went to the city all the time. I'm like, no, 142 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: that was just not the case. We didn't do that. 143 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: So my fashion inspiration, you know, it was slim. I 144 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: just wore I went through every single phase that I 145 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: think now we're all millennials, you know, ug boots and 146 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: many layers of tank tops and many skinny jeans. Like 147 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: I did all the millennial things and my I wouldn't 148 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: say that. I even started focusing on my style and 149 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: actually really trying to develop personal style until I got 150 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: closer to thirty, where I was like, wait, I actually 151 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: like want to find out, like identify what my key 152 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: pieces are, what's my wardrobe, what's the go to, how 153 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: do I look put together at all times? 154 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: And like what does that look like for me? 155 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: Okay, So before I keep diving into your backstory. The 156 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: next follow up question would be what are the key pieces? 157 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: So I think for me, it's like you have to 158 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: find like your denim. For me, like finding the perfect 159 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: piece of denim, like what it is. I just buy 160 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: the exact same genes in multiple colors, because I'm not 161 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: about experimenting and finding my gene my silhouette, like figure 162 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: out what that is A really great blazer for me. 163 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: It's also like really great flattering body suits, like basic colors, blacks, whites, neutrals. 164 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: And I always invest in accessories, so belts, bags and shoes. 165 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: I think if you're going to invest in something like 166 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 2: those really great basics, I think are key. 167 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: I know, and we'll talk a little bit about this, 168 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: but you are big on the body positivity movement. So 169 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: when I hear you talk about finding your Goldilock's pair 170 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: of jeans, I would be remiss if I didn't say that. 171 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: As someone who has certainly been up and down on 172 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: the scale, been all over the place with her way. 173 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 3: Even now feeling really confident and happy in my body, 174 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: I still have this like mind block when it comes 175 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: to buying good jeens. 176 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 4: Did you ever struggle with that? 177 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like even going into a dressing room 178 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: to this day like gives me energy that I just 179 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: do not need or want. Like, yeah, I think finding 180 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 2: the perfect pair of genes is hard. Also, I'd be 181 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: lying if I didn't say that I tailor some of 182 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: my genes too, to make sure that they fit like 183 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: really really perfectly. Also a really great investment of just 184 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: time and energy. But yeah, Also like post pandemic or 185 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: like where we are right now, I'm like my jene 186 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: size is different now, my silhouette is different now, Like 187 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: what I used to wear like two years ago now 188 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: is like so different. And even come to terms with 189 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: that is not easy, even as someone who like I 190 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 2: really try to embrace like where my body's at, you know, 191 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: where are we at in the world, Like where am 192 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: I at? 193 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: Emotionally? 194 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: Like my size is going to change and fluctuate, but 195 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: you're show like, well, damn, I'm not a twenty seven anymore. 196 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 4: Back Damn, Oh my god. 197 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: I remember the first time that I learned like twenty seven, 198 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty, et cetera, like what all 199 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: those sizes meant. And I was like I had enough 200 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: to struggle when I was younger, like dealing with a 201 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 3: sixteen and now you're going to double that on me. 202 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: I know. 203 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 2: And then when I go on like shopping on Netaport 204 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: or something, and I'm like a size like fourteen in 205 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: the UK, I'm like, you know what, just. 206 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 4: Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. Okay. 207 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: So, growing up about an hour and a half north 208 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 3: of New York City in Upstate New York, I know 209 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: that when you were was at sixteen or seventeen, that's 210 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: when a model scout. 211 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: Found you in a Connecticut mall. 212 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: Yes, that is correct. 213 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: So I was scouted in a mall in Connecticut, and 214 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 2: then shortly after that I signed with an agency in 215 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: New York. And then my modeling career pitched up like 216 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: pretty quickly after that. I was working like within a 217 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 2: week of being signed with Ralph Lauren and then yeah, 218 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: my life changed like very very quickly. 219 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 3: When you were younger, did you envision being a model? 220 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 3: Were you the kind of girl that had the magazines 221 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: at home? Did you cut out the pictures and make 222 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 3: a vision board? Like where were you at? 223 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it a vision board, but I definitely did. 224 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: I liked fashion and I liked the glamor of fashion. 225 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: I would say, like I cut out all the pieces, 226 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: Like I remember all of my binders and notebooks were 227 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: like plastered with like covers and ads. 228 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: Like I loved that kind of stuff. 229 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say that I was thinking of it 230 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: as a vision board then but maybe now actually it 231 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: kind of was. It actually never reflected on that, but 232 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: like you know, growing up, people would tell me that 233 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: I should be a model and stuff like that, but 234 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: I feel like I wasn't someone who was like, that's 235 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: not information that you take and like run with and 236 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: you're like, you know what, you're right, let me just 237 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 2: go be a model like I was. I had no 238 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: idea how to even begin with that kind of journey. 239 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 2: Like it was just like a really great compliment. But 240 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: then when I was scouted, I was like very interested 241 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: in that opportunity, and you know, I was kind of 242 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: like I didn't know where I was at in my life. 243 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: I was supposed to be applying to colleges. I was 244 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: applying to colleges. All of my friends were like we 245 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: were in that zone when this was picking up for me. 246 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: So I had to make a tough decision, like was 247 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: I going to go away to college. Was I going 248 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: to pursue this full time? So obviously I made the 249 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: decision to pursue a full time, which I'm glad that 250 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 2: I did, but I didn't know if it was the 251 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: right decision at the time for sure. 252 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 4: Of course, of course. 253 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: I mean it's a big decision, especially to take on 254 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: at that age for you. Aside from being a little overwhelmed, 255 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: where were your parents at with this decision? 256 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: I felt like I have to give my parents props. 257 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: I feel like they did a good job being as 258 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: neutral as possible. And you know, my parents didn't go 259 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: to college, my brother did, so like they weren't like 260 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: this is absolutely you must do this in order to survive, 261 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: like go away to school. I feel like maybe some 262 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: other families or parents would be like, this is the 263 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: only way. 264 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: And I think they were. 265 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: Excited that I was excited by the opportunity, but they 266 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 2: really did let me steer that ship. But it had 267 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 2: its downfalls, you know, like when I first moved to 268 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: Manhattan and I all my friends were a way at college. 269 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: And I'm going to age myself by saying this, but 270 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: it was when Facebook was getting really big and everyone 271 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: was posting albums of like every single minute of their nights. 272 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: And I remember being like, wow, I'm like alone in 273 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: New York City and like studio apartment, like getting ready 274 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: to go to work tomorrow, and all my friends are 275 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: like raging their faces off at college. Like I don't 276 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: know if I made the right decision. I feel really 277 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: lonely and confused. But like I said, of course, like 278 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: reflecting now, you're. 279 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: Like, no, it's good. 280 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 4: Good decision, good decision. 281 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: First impressions, When you moved to New York, What was 282 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: that experience like for you? 283 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: Where were you? Where were you living? 284 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I moved. 285 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: So when I first moved to New York, I moved 286 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: down into like the Soho grunged village area, and I 287 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: was like in the heart of NYU, which I thought 288 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: that was a smart decision because I was like, oh, 289 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: I'll be around kids my age. 290 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: Well, if you don't really have any common. 291 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: Classes or ways to like talk to all these college kids, 292 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: like I found it really hard to make friends and 293 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: make connections. And you know, moving to New York as 294 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 2: a model, like you do get a lot of inbound 295 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: like people wanting to like hang out with you or connect, 296 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: but they're not necessarily like the best people. 297 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 4: I would say. 298 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: Also as a model, you know, I would go to work, 299 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: but you rarely see the same face twice, meaning you 300 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: would go to work and meet someone great, but you know, 301 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: your freelance, like I would work with different people almost 302 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: every day, so I wasn't really having like this consistency 303 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: to make new friends or like create deep relationships. Eventually 304 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: I started to, like a year or two later, you know, 305 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: you meet like one person who knows a lot of people, 306 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: who's like a great connector, or you know, you start socializing. 307 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: My first year or two here, I would say it 308 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: was incredibly lonely. It's a tough place to like connect 309 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: with people. I would say, even though there's so many 310 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: people here, good. 311 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: On you to know enough to strategically choose who you 312 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: spent your time with. Because on that note of John, like, 313 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: it's easy to get sucked into the wrong crowds. I mean, 314 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: I remember my first couple of years in New York, 315 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: just like I would give my phone number to like 316 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: one girl or one guy that I didn't know that well, 317 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: and then suddenly I was on like fourteen different club 318 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: promoter lists. Yes, yes, and exactly I would show up 319 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: and I'd be like, this person wants to be my friend, 320 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: and then I'm like, I don't necessarily always want to 321 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: be at a club until two am on a Tuesday, 322 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: Like maybe I need friends that don't want to do that. 323 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely use that to my advantage, like in 324 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: very very specific moments where I was like, I'd have 325 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: all my friends in town from home, and I'm going 326 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: to take them out for a really good time and 327 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: their minds are going to be blown. Definitely did that, 328 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: but otherwise, no, I was not the one like going 329 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: it just gave me the he begbis and it rightfully, 330 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: so you know, I kind of trusted my gut. 331 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think this like man. 332 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: Who just approached me in Union Square Park like genuinely 333 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: wants to get to know me and create this beautiful friendship, 334 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: and just something age debating. 335 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 4: This beautiful friendship. 336 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: It's so funny too, because I know, I mean, there 337 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: are certainly a fair share of listeners that are that 338 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: have this in their air pods and they're listening from 339 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: New York City, But for those that don't live here 340 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: and have never had that experience, it's really just like 341 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 3: you show up somewhere and you don't pull out your 342 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: wallet at all, and all of a sudden, there are 343 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: just drinks and people. 344 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 4: I mean obviously pre COVID, but. 345 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: Drinks and people, and like it just it all happens, 346 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, there's like flashaking lights and 347 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: you're in a club and you don't even remember how 348 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: you got there. 349 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: Like it's a whole thing totally. 350 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: It's a very overwhelming experience for sure, Like you're really 351 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: taking me back. 352 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just needed a moment to personally reflect on 353 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: this time where like this was even an opportunity for us. 354 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: I'm glad we exchanged this mutual New to New York 355 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: promoter text cycle and now we. 356 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: Can move past it exactly. 357 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 4: We can get past it. 358 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: Okay, but you're in New York and you're you're working 359 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,239 Speaker 3: more jobs, but you're feeling really alone. And I would imagine, 360 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 3: as a relatively new model in the space, that that 361 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: also opens up the door to having and then navigating 362 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: a lot of perhaps dangerous thoughts. Talk to me about 363 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: the mental side of getting into modeling. 364 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: When I first started the industry, I mean, even still, 365 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 2: it's a very competitive industry for sure, and I think 366 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: I came into it with the same competitive spirit that 367 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: I kind of had my whole life, in the sense 368 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: I grew up playing sports. 369 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: And I made this huge decision to. 370 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: Not go to college, and I think I felt a 371 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: lot of pressure to make this decision work. Like I 372 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: think I was like, this has to work out. You know, 373 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to go home with my tail between 374 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: my legs. 375 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know if going to school. 376 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: At this points and option I you know, I was 377 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen, Like I was just like, this has to 378 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: work out for me. So when I first moved to Manhattan, 379 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: it was the first time that I've really been away 380 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 2: from my family, away from the structure of school sports, 381 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: like a normal teenage life, you know. When I first 382 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: moved here, in things, I said that I started working 383 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: like very early on, but I wanted more. You know, 384 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: I was doing like specific jobs and it was enough 385 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 2: for me to say, yes, I'm going to pursue this 386 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: full time. But I wanted to be like at the 387 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: top of my game. I wanted to be like top 388 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: one hundred models in the world, like all of those things. 389 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: I wanted to be super successful. And I think the 390 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: dangerous thoughts for me or habits started coming in because 391 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: first of all, I was spending so much time alone. 392 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: I was alone all the time. 393 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: Living alone, not a lot of friends, and I was 394 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 2: basically putting so much pressure on myself to be successful 395 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 2: and make this career work. And I started picking up 396 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: super unhealthy habits that I think if I was living 397 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: with another person or a parent, they would be like, Emily, 398 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: you're acting really strange, like stop going to the gym 399 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: for like three hours a day and only allowing yourself. 400 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: To eat like apples. It's a little weird. 401 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: But I was alone and like walking around the city constantly, 402 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: and I think I just was like, if I'm going 403 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: to be successful, that means I. 404 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: Have to be thin. 405 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 2: And you know, I want to make money, and that 406 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: also means that I have to be thin. 407 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: So I just made that my only goal in life and. 408 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: Put all of my energy into that, and it paid 409 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: off in the sense that I did get extremely thin, 410 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: but I also got extremely miserable, so kind of, yeah, 411 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: it didn't work out. 412 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: Didn't work out, And I would imagine the concept of 413 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 3: I can just eat apples and go to the gym 414 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: for three hours at a time, like you have all 415 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 3: of this new found independence and this is like the 416 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: one thing that you can take control over. But when 417 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 3: there's no one almost to call you out on your bullshit, 418 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: as I think a lot of people struggled over this 419 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: past year, it can certainly become a little bit toxic. 420 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 3: So for you, how long were you in would you 421 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 3: say this kind of pattern before the straw broke the 422 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 3: camel's back? 423 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say like maybe like the first six 424 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 2: to eight months that I was living in the city. 425 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: I really was going like all the way, putting all 426 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: my effort into that, and that's when but I definitely 427 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: had kind of a moment where I came to and 428 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 2: was like, this isn't this actually is not worth it. 429 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: I'm actually lucky that I was even able to have 430 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: that moment for myself. Now that I look back on it. 431 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: Talk to me about that moment. Do you remember any 432 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: details about it? 433 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? I just remember. 434 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 2: I remember I was like so irritable and miserable, and 435 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: I was like, I remember there were like two things 436 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: that happened that I was like, Okay, this is this 437 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: is so bad. I like snapped at my mom, who 438 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: like came down to visit me because I was just 439 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: like so irritable and like in this zone, in this 440 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 2: space where I was like very isolated. And then I 441 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: think one of the other key key moments for me 442 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: was I went to work for this brand that I 443 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: worked with for a very long time since the beginning 444 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: of my career, like they were one of my first clients, 445 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: call it, and I had gotten very thin, and two 446 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: people approached me, a model and a makeup artist, and 447 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: they were like. 448 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: Hey, you like don't look well. Are you okay? 449 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 2: And I remember being like, yeah, I'm like fine, Like 450 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: what do you mean, Like I'm you know, I was 451 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: kind of like what, like isn't this what you guys do? 452 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: Like I'm thin now, Like I'm just trying to work 453 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: and like be successful. And then after shortly after that, 454 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 2: I remember my agency said to me like, oh, you know, 455 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: people didn't think that you looked very good or very healthy. 456 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: They're concerned for you, and if you continue in this direction, 457 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: like they don't know if they're going to want to 458 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: keep working with you. And I remember I was like, 459 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 2: are you kidding me? I've been putting like all of 460 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: this work and effort and time into like looking this way, 461 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 2: and now people are not only saying that I don't 462 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: look good, they're saying that they might not want. 463 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: To continue working with me. 464 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: That was kind of my breakthrough moment where I was like, 465 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: all right, this isn't moving the needle. Clearly people don't 466 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: think I look good. It's hurting my career. I thought 467 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: this was going to help, and I kind of just 468 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: in that moment, actually gave up on this you know, 469 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: insane drive that I had to be thin. That was 470 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: the only goal I had. Was like, I just want 471 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: to be skinny, and that had its own, you know, 472 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: downfalls to it because and I just gained a bunch 473 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: of weight, and you know, when you go from one 474 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: extreme to the other. There was a lot of emotional 475 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: sort of stuff that I had to kind of deal 476 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: with and process. 477 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: So it was a journey. 478 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it sounds like a journey. I could 479 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: imagine how frustrating it must have felt, because it's so 480 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: interesting to hear you say, well, isn't the goal here 481 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 3: for me to be skinny? But when you started your 482 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: modeling journey, your goal was to be the best of 483 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: the best, to work with the best of the best. 484 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: So in your mind, to get to that goal, you 485 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 3: had to be small. But when you took a step 486 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 3: back and you looked at where you really wanted to 487 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: go and you got this feedback, you were, I mean 488 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 3: understandably shook totally completely. 489 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: Like I was just so defeated. 490 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 2: You know, you just think you're doing all the right 491 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: things and it just did not turn out to be 492 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: that way. 493 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: And if anything, people were encouraging. 494 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: Me to return to like how I I was when 495 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: I started, which was like a very healthy, size six 496 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: athletic girl. You know, I didn't look like other models, 497 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: I will say especially you know, I started modeling in 498 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: two thousand and nine and the trend then was WAF 499 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: very very thin, like Eastern European. 500 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: You know, six foot it was. 501 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: It was a mold, a cookie cutter, like models looked 502 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: one way and one way only. So I think I 503 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: was kind of like, well, I got to make myself 504 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: look like that, because that's how everyone else looks. I 505 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: felt so different and I was different, you know, I 506 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 2: didn't look like that. 507 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: So when you started to learn how to get better 508 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: at being in your own body, how your body is 509 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: supposed to be, talk to me about the mental transition there, 510 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: because I would expect that that would. 511 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 4: Come with its fair share of hurdles as well. 512 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. 513 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 2: I remember after that when I kind of hit that 514 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: breaking point. I went home for like six months, back 515 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: to my parents' house. Granted I was still only like eighteen, 516 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: or maybe I was nineteen at that point, but I 517 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: was fried. I was burnt out, Like I think, I 518 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: just felt so defeated and down and didn't know if 519 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: this was even the right direction for me. I was 520 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: doubting a lot. And I went home and I gained 521 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: quite a bit of weight, and I wanted to hide. 522 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: I didn't want to be seen. I definitely didn't want 523 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: to model. So that was in the super strange in 524 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: between space where I wasn't in college and I wasn't modeling, 525 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 2: and I was very sad. I was very very sad 526 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 2: and very very lost. And I do remember having this 527 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: kind of conversation with my agency at the time. I 528 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: kind of had a moment where they were kind of 529 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: pushing me, you know, to get back to where I was, 530 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: or to lose weight. You know, there was always pressure 531 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: to lose weight, to be a certain size, you know, 532 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 2: check your measurements, like where are you at? And I 533 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: just remember I had this breaking point with them where 534 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 2: I was like, listen, from here on is either take 535 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 2: it or leave it. I just can't stay on this 536 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 2: hamster wheel. It's not even because I I don't want to. 537 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: It's not even possible for me to be consistently this 538 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: one size that I need to be. So from now on, 539 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: you know, I want you to be honest about my 540 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: measurements with clients who want you to be honest about 541 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 2: my polaroids. You know, if people are interested, they'll I 542 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 2: hope that they'll make it work. And like that's it 543 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 2: for me now. I just don't want to hear it anymore. 544 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: About like losing weight, I just like I don't want 545 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: to hear it. And it was just totally bizarre because 546 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: like things kind of like took off for me shortly 547 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: after that. I don't know if it was like I 548 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: just put it out into the universe that I was 549 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: kind of like, this is it and I'm sick of 550 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: fighting it. 551 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that anymore. 552 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: And then after that and I also you know, found 553 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: an agent who really represented me and like understood me 554 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 2: at the time and was like I'm here with that, 555 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: I'm here for you, like will make it work and 556 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: who wants to make it work will And that ended 557 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: up happening like very quickly, and I started getting or 558 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: having the career that I'd always dreamed of. 559 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think during that point, when you get 560 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: to this place where like this is who I am, 561 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: like that must have been such a freeing moment for you. 562 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it really was. 563 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: Like I was just like, I think, I just put 564 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: faith into the universe that if someone wants to work 565 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 2: with me, they will, and they'll make it work and 566 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: they'll be excited to do so, and stop focusing on 567 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: all the people who don't want to work with me 568 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: or will work with me under certain circumstances, and like 569 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 2: I was, it was just too exhausting. 570 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was. 571 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 2: Definitely like a really great moment where I felt like 572 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 2: I found my footing and like my confidence. And I 573 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: looking back, I'm like, listen, I was still like nineteen 574 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: years old, then twenty years old. Maybe when I'm starting 575 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: to like really come to these like more confident moments 576 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 2: in my life, that's still young. 577 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: It was it was difficult to do that for me. 578 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, how applicable is this to so 579 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: much other stuff in life? Right, like just this idea 580 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: that we always want the thing that doesn't want us back, 581 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: and then it's hard to it's hard to let go 582 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: or give yourself to a thing or a person that 583 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 3: treats you with respect and values you. 584 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 4: And how messed up? 585 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: Is that? Exactly? Totally? 586 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: It was like I was just I felt like I 587 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: was fighting something, you know, I was like going against 588 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: the current, you know, I like as opposed to just 589 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: being like, all right, this is who I am, this 590 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: is where I'm at, and it's okay, and in fact, 591 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: it like may be exactly what it needs to be. 592 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, So we're finally at a place where 593 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: we feel more confident with the direction of where our 594 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 3: career is going. I'm talking about this like we're just 595 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: in this hand in hand here and you were at 596 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: this better place with where you were going with your career. 597 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 3: Did you feel that the people that you were working 598 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 3: with really started to accept you for this version of 599 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: yourself or did you still feel a little bit conflicted 600 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: in that? 601 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: Oh? 602 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,239 Speaker 2: I mean I definitely still felt conflicted in moments. There 603 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: were absolutely people who celebrated me, were excited to do 604 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 2: so and to work with me, which was great, but 605 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: I still had many moments where I would go to 606 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: jobs or show up and people would be very upset, 607 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: like think that I wasn't what they expected or I 608 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 2: didn't fit the clothes I That happened many times, but 609 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 2: and that was always like really hard, a hard pill 610 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: to swallow, because it's just uncomfortable, and you're wasting people's 611 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: time and energy and money just by being you. 612 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: Like you're like, I'm sorry, Like I don't know what 613 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: to say or what to do. 614 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: So I still have I still had and have moments 615 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: like that though up until like before the pandemic, like 616 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: where I was working and traveling all the time, like 617 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: that still happens. 618 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, My point is that you're not going to be 619 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: a person for everyone. 620 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: And you know, I would always when I was younger, 621 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: think like all these people are mad at me, they're 622 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: upset with me, they're disappointed in me, and I just 623 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: couldn't stand that. It just like sent me over the edge. 624 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: I just felt so guilty and so horrible. But yes, 625 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: it makes people's lives more difficult or complicate, but you're 626 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: not like a bad person or like you know, this 627 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: isn't like the world is not against you. They might 628 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: be mad at a situation or whatever it may be, 629 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: but it's not like all your fault because you're like 630 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: a size six. 631 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm just like sitting or shaking my 632 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: head because I don't even I can't even fathom dealing 633 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: with one of those situations when someone looks at you 634 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 3: and they're just like no, And I would imagine that 635 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 3: that had happened to you, not just like when you 636 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: walk down the street for a casting, like you travel 637 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: so much for your job. 638 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would travel very far distances and show 639 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: up and sometimes not fit the clothes and get sent 640 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: home like that day, Like they would literally be like, oh, 641 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: it's not working out, Like you don't fit the clothes, 642 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: not we expected, and that was just so tough, Like 643 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 2: I can't even lie. Like I would definitely cry and 644 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: like feel really bad about myself and just think about 645 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: all the time and energy that was wasted on my 646 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: side and their side. But then I would just be 647 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: like I have to move forward, Like what am I 648 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: supposed to do? Like cry about my jeene size all 649 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: day long for how long? Like it's like it is, 650 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: I can't do anything about it right now? 651 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean in those moments when you're in 652 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: that difficult headspace and sometimes that negative headspace, how have 653 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: you learned to pull yourself out of that? 654 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for myself, I it's like a series 655 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: of steps because I always need to let myself feel 656 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: the feelings. I'm like, I'm a pisces, Like I find 657 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: need to cry or let it out or whatever it is. 658 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: I do allow myself to feel the feelings, but I 659 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: also always have this moment where I'm like, Okay, the 660 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: only person who can turn this ship around is me. Like, 661 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: and if I just continue speaking to myself in a 662 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: negative way or being like you know what you are. 663 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: You know you are. 664 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: Fat, or you should have ate less, or you could 665 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 2: have worked out more, or you could have prepped more, 666 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: like you could be more hard working, I'm like, this 667 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: is not helpful. You know, Let's try to integrate and 668 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: bring in more positive thoughts and more positive point of view, 669 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: Like what kind of actions can I take right now 670 00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: that will make me feel better? 671 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: But I do think like when. 672 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: You're in those moments, I've learned that I kind of 673 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: have to take responsibility for turning it around, Like, because 674 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: you know, the meanest person I interact with or is myself, 675 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: because I have like negative thoughts and like those negative 676 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: voices that you do have to be like okay, like 677 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: how do I turn this around? 678 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: Taking a break from today's episode to talk to you 679 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: about a newer sponsor to the show, Super Coffee. 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That's d R I N K L m 732 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 3: n T dot com slash hurdle to get yours today. 733 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 3: Talk to me about do you remember when you felt 734 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 3: as though you had quote unquote made it? 735 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. 736 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 2: I like I remember I was shooting this commercial for 737 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: Aqua Da Joya, this fragrance for OURMANI that was like, 738 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 2: you know, one of the biggest jobs that I've ever 739 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 2: don it's still what people recognize me for to this day. 740 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: And then like while I was on set, I got 741 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 2: a phone call and someone was like, oh, my agent 742 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: at the time was like, oh, you just got booked 743 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: for the cover of French Vogue, like while I was 744 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 2: on this set, and I was like, oh my god, 745 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 2: like all of the things that I could have ever 746 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 2: dreamed of, Like I'm shooting this massive commercial for this 747 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 2: like huge. 748 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: Brand, Like what a dream. 749 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 2: I just found out I got booked for the cover 750 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 2: of French Vogue, like you know, things just like when 751 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 2: it rains at Poor's kind of like I was just like, Wow, 752 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 2: this is what I always dreamed of and it's happening, 753 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 2: and that's happening. 754 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 4: So when was that? 755 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: That was like twenty ten? 756 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 4: Oh my god, So we've been at this for a minute. 757 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. 758 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 2: I mean now it's like twelve years that I've been 759 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 2: doing this, So that's crazy. 760 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 4: That is actually crazy. 761 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 3: So when do you leave the small studio near Greenwige 762 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: Village and like start to upgrade because I feel like 763 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: there has to be like a natural blam upgrade story here. 764 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: There's totally an upgrade. Yeah. 765 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: I went from like a very small, dark studio where 766 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 2: I like slept above my kitchen, and then I moved 767 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 2: into like a really nice building with like Florida ceiling 768 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: windows the following year, like in the Lower East Side, 769 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: and I was kind of like, all right, this is 770 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 2: better for my mental and spiritual health. 771 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: I feel a lot better, a little more settled. For sure. 772 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 3: I'm a I'm channeling Florida ceiling windows for my move 773 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 3: within the next two months. 774 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's coming. It's coming. 775 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 3: Everyone deserves a Florida ceiling window moment. Okay, So twenty eleven, 776 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 3: we're like, we're not doing so bad. 777 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of turned around, it really did. 778 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 3: You're shooting with Armani, You're gonna be on Friend Vogue. 779 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 3: You're you're kind of grinding it out, You're going through 780 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 3: all the motions. Do you get to a place as 781 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 3: the jobs keep coming in where you start to ask 782 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 3: yourself what's next? 783 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 4: Oh? 784 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 2: Yes, that conversation that what's next though, was like this 785 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 2: dooming question. 786 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: From the minute I started modeling. 787 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 2: That's the first thing that people like literally ask you 788 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: as a model, because people are like, you know this 789 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 2: only lasts for so long, Like that would literally be 790 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: the first thing that people would say to me when 791 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: I was a teenager and I chose this career. They 792 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 2: would be like, you know, this only lasts for so long, 793 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 2: Like you can only do this for X many years? 794 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 2: Like what are you going to do after this? Like 795 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 2: what's your plan? Are you going to go back to college? 796 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 2: Like it would always be this like looming question, and 797 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 2: you know, rightfully so it is a legitimate question because 798 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of models do only last I 799 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 2: mean ten years less than that. A lot of people 800 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 2: only last a few seasons. So it was always kind 801 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 2: of like this dooming question for me. But it started 802 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 2: feeling less of like this burden or fear for me, 803 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 2: like four years or so ago, for sure, because I. 804 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 4: Follow four years ago. 805 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: So four years ago is that when you started to 806 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 3: think about Covey. 807 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 2: No, Actually, like what came first was like starting to 808 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 2: focus more on my social channels weirdly, like, you know, 809 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 2: I had reached this point in my career where that 810 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 2: was all going fine and dandy, but I did feel 811 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 2: like I was kind of at this weird point where 812 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: I wanted more and felt like I had more to offer, 813 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 2: and I finally felt ready to take a step in 814 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 2: figuring out, like how can I actually do that? And 815 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 2: so that's when I kind of started focusing on my 816 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 2: YouTube channel, my Instagram, Like I was like, I want 817 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 2: to create content and I want to share what I 818 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: have to say with the world. And once I started 819 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 2: having that control or created that agency for myself, it 820 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 2: kind of like tumbleweeded into more things and opportunities outside 821 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 2: of just like being a model, like showing up for 822 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 2: a job and then like going home, which were always 823 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 2: just like very transactional, like one or two days, the 824 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 2: job is done and then you just wait for the 825 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 2: next one. I felt ready to start like building my 826 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 2: social presence and like my personal brand, I guess. 827 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean modeling involves so much of you 828 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 3: putting yourself out there, but kind of just being open 829 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 3: to people judging your body. Now, when you go into 830 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 3: the content creation space and you're starting to have a 831 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 3: personality or be a little bit more vocal about who 832 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 3: it is that you are, talk to me about the 833 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 3: challenges that went hand in hand. 834 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: With that, definitely felt more. 835 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 2: I felt I definitely felt more vulnerable when I started 836 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 2: creating content and putting it on the internet, because yeah, 837 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 2: exactly like you said, people are no longer judging you 838 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 2: for the way that you look in your pant size. 839 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 2: They're actually seeing your personality and deciding if they like 840 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 2: you or not or like who you are or what 841 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 2: you have to say. So there was definitely more pressure there. 842 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 2: And I remember when I first started, like my YouTube channel, 843 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 2: a lot of people in my industry would be like, 844 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 2: oh my god, like you're so brave, like yikes, like 845 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 2: how are you doing that? Or like making that work? Meanwhile, 846 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 2: like two years later, these are the exact people who 847 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 2: are like, hey, like do you have any tips for me? 848 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 2: Like I think I'm gonna start one like too funny. 849 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 2: But yes, I've definitely like gotten like negative comments, but 850 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 2: it's actually like part of what sparked covey and like 851 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 2: this other journey that I'm now on. 852 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: So it worked out, but. 853 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 2: It's it never gets easy, Like I still get to 854 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 2: write negative comments and I click on the person, I'm 855 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 2: like who are you, Like where are you in the world, 856 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 2: Like what's your story? Why are you commenting this? 857 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 4: First of all, I can totally relate to this. 858 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 3: I feel like, whether you have five followers or millions 859 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 3: of followers. It's always, you know, a struggle to open 860 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 3: yourself up and understand kind of back to that idea, 861 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 3: like we always it's so easy to focus on the 862 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 3: negative side of things, right, It's so easy to focus 863 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 3: on the one person that you quote unquote weren't good 864 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 3: enough for you, rub the wrong way instead of the 865 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 3: you know, long, lengthy scroll of the people that are like. 866 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 4: This is awesome, You're amazing. I love what you're saying. 867 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 4: Give me that blazer, like I get it. So it's tough. 868 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 4: It's tough. 869 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 3: Secondly, so then take me down the path now of 870 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 3: where Covey comes from. 871 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Covey. 872 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: What happened with Covey was like I started creating content 873 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: on my social channels. I loved doing beauty content. I 874 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 2: loved beauty in general, and like skincare was something that 875 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 2: was like obviously super important for me and my job. 876 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: So I had a lot. 877 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 2: Of fun sharing my routines and what I was doing 878 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 2: and what products I was loving and all of that. 879 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 2: But funny enough, I did this video for Harper's Bizarre, 880 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 2: one of their get Unready with Me videos that are 881 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 2: like they're like very famous for and I shared my 882 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 2: routine and it was I thought perfect, elaborate many steps. 883 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 2: I was doing all the things, using all the actives, 884 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: like I just thought, you know, I was going to 885 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 2: blow them out of the water. But anyway, when they 886 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 2: posted it on their channel, people came for me in 887 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 2: the comments, like all of the comments were literally like 888 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 2: this is the most whack routine I've ever seen in 889 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,439 Speaker 2: my life. Like You're not supposed to pair those two 890 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 2: products together. That's not how you're supposed to layer your skincare. 891 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 2: You're using too many products. 892 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 1: Or doing this. 893 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 2: And I remember being like, I am someone who has 894 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 2: a background, I have access to many experts, you know, 895 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 2: in my industry. I have a passion for this. I 896 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 2: love skincare, but apparently I'm doing it all wrong. Like 897 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 2: if I feel this way, I can't be the only 898 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 2: person who feels that way, Like what is the perfect 899 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 2: skincare routine? 900 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: Like what is the ultimate routine? Then somebody tell me? 901 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 2: And I went down a rabbit hole, you know, myself 902 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 2: and my business partner, Christina. I went down all of 903 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 2: these communities on Reddit like skincare addiction, and I saw 904 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 2: also on Twitter that people were asking the same questions 905 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 2: that I was asking, which was what things do you 906 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 2: need in your skin carouteine? What are the most effective 907 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 2: products that you need? What order do you use them in? 908 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 2: And do they work together? Everyone was asking these questions 909 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 2: like what goes first? What goes next? Can I pair 910 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 2: this and this together? Like how does this work? So 911 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 2: I basically confirmed I was like everyone's asking the exact 912 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 2: same questions like where is it laid out in a 913 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 2: super simple effective like this is how your skin care 914 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:34,959 Speaker 2: routine should work. 915 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: Here are the products that you need? And I couldn't 916 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: find it? 917 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 2: And you know, along with that, I also went through 918 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 2: over two thousand comments on my YouTube channel seeing what 919 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 2: everyone had to say about skincare there. So I really 920 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: leaned into my social channels and my community, like and 921 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 2: also negative comments that kind of helped like create this 922 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 2: this idea. 923 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 3: Just finally taking that negativity and make hang a positive 924 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 3: influence here exactly. 925 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,240 Speaker 4: For a while. 926 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 927 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 3: I think the next logical question for someone that would 928 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 3: have a similar thought, like man, I would love to 929 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,240 Speaker 3: do something like this, like where does one even start 930 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,720 Speaker 3: with that? Because that hurdle is what holds so many 931 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 3: people back. 932 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what started first? For myself was, like 933 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 2: I said, doing all of that research, Like I was 934 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 2: not shy about going through all of the comments, direct messages, 935 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,720 Speaker 2: everything that had to do with skincare. 936 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: On my social channels, on other skincare. 937 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 2: Communities, you know, making sure you really do your research 938 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,439 Speaker 2: and figure out, like what are the questions that people 939 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 2: are asking, what are they confused about? Like the internet 940 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,760 Speaker 2: will tell you there's plenty of people you know, talking 941 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 2: about and asking those questions. And then in terms of 942 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 2: the products and what we wanted to create, first of all, 943 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 2: we partnered with a dermatologist, which was helpful. She really 944 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 2: helped us figure out like the key products, the key 945 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 2: ingredients that were effective back by the latest research in science. 946 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 2: But then we also use all of the reviews of 947 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 2: top selling products on top retailers, and we went through 948 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 2: over five hundred thousand reviews and we figured out what 949 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 2: people were complaining about, what they didn't like, what they 950 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 2: wanted from their skincare, and we really figured out, like, 951 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 2: you know, what did people actually want out of their skincare. 952 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 2: And then we figured out with our dirm you know, 953 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 2: what are those key three products. 954 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: And started from there. So, yeah, it was a lot 955 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: of research. 956 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 3: And like a few years on the making. I mean 957 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,919 Speaker 3: you said you started this journey what three years ago? 958 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 1: Hmm. 959 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it took a really really long time because then 960 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 2: when we you know, found a lab that aligned with 961 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 2: us and kind of what we wanted these products to be, 962 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 2: what we wanted to have in the products and not 963 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 2: have in the products, you know, then we had to 964 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 2: do a ton of testing. 965 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: So we did. 966 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 2: Over twelve iterations of each of the products and tested 967 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 2: them on over one hundred and fifty people. So getting 968 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 2: all that data back, figuring out did people like it, 969 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 2: how did it work with their skin? You know, we 970 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 2: really tried to do all those things to make sure 971 00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 2: it worked across all skin types and skin concerns. 972 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 3: I'd love to double click for a second on the 973 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 3: idea of just getting started with your skincare routine, because 974 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 3: I think that's something with that so many women struggle with. 975 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 3: So for you, when you just got started with your 976 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 3: skincare routine, were there like one or two things that 977 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 3: you really focused in on that you felt made a 978 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 3: major difference for. 979 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 2: You, Meaning like pre Covey just generally like, yeah, I 980 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 2: would say, what even before we started, Covey was pairing 981 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 2: the products back, meaning not using so many things like 982 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 2: I thought I needed way more than I did. And 983 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 2: I would also say that consistency really made a difference 984 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 2: for me, I think, I mean, I know a lot 985 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 2: of people probably go through this, but I would go 986 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,879 Speaker 2: through moments where I was doing all the things, layering 987 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 2: on all the skincare, like you know, stripping my skin 988 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 2: probably like crazy, and then I would go through spouts 989 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 2: where I wasn't taking off my makeup before I went 990 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 2: to bed. It's like pick a lane, you know, Like, 991 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 2: but I knew that when I was consistent and use 992 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 2: like simple products that like were worked, well, that was 993 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 2: when I started to like really see a difference in 994 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 2: my skin. 995 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:08,319 Speaker 1: And still to this. 996 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 3: Day, yeah, yeah, I know, the taking off the makeup 997 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 3: before bed thing like if you do nothing else, that 998 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 3: has been the one lane that I have been successful 999 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,720 Speaker 3: in so far. And yeah, admittedly that's a big step 1000 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 3: from you know what I used to do, which would 1001 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 3: be not do that. I'd just be like, oh, I'm 1002 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 3: too tired for this. You're too tired for thirty seconds 1003 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 3: of a makeup wipe and some some soap and some 1004 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 3: water and like call it a day. 1005 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 4: I guess this is what they call adulting. 1006 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. 1007 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 3: What I'd love to home in on right now is 1008 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 3: talk to me about your last year. Talk to me 1009 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 3: about what life has been like for you in the pandemic, 1010 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,439 Speaker 3: because obviously Covey recently launched, but everything shifted a year ago, 1011 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 3: So how did that impact you? 1012 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 4: First personally, and then we'll kind of bring it back 1013 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 4: to the brand. 1014 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,399 Speaker 2: Side personally, Like I'm professionally, my life changed so much 1015 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 2: because I was used to like literally being in a 1016 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,879 Speaker 2: different country like every other week. I was traveling constantly 1017 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 2: before the pandemic for work, so that in the beginning, 1018 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 2: like most things completely shut down, and that was super strange. 1019 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: And at first I. 1020 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 2: Really liked being in one place for an extended period 1021 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 2: of time. I won't lie, because I was always away, 1022 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 2: you know, I had just gotten married like a year 1023 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,800 Speaker 2: prior or, Like I was like, oh my god, this 1024 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,479 Speaker 2: is the first time ever were like in the same 1025 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 2: place for an extended period of time and enjoying that. 1026 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 2: But you know, then brands started asking me to shoot 1027 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 2: content for them, so I was literally getting like racks 1028 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 2: and racks clothes like delivered to me wherever I was, 1029 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 2: and I was like shooting catalogs myself, like doing that, 1030 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 2: which was interesting and kind of fun because I really 1031 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 2: had to test like all of my skills like shooting 1032 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 2: art direction, hair makeup, like I was doing it all 1033 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 2: and I was kind of like, I can. 1034 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: Do this, just let me figure this out. So then 1035 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: I went through that phase. 1036 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 2: But I think creating content for brand and became a 1037 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 2: trend in something that like I kind of was open 1038 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 2: to very much so and then things really started heating 1039 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 2: up with Covey, like you know, six months ago, seven 1040 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 2: months ago, and we're like, oh my god, we're like 1041 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 2: really really close to our launch day, like this is 1042 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 2: really happening. And then I was purely focusing on all 1043 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 2: of that and getting things ready for that. 1044 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 4: Wow. 1045 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 3: And so now are you at the point where you 1046 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 3: are going back into studios? 1047 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 4: Are you shooting more. 1048 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 3: Like what has started to happen for you as the 1049 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,879 Speaker 3: world is kind of starting to get back to where 1050 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 3: it used to be. 1051 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely feel it starting to come back. So yes, 1052 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 2: the options meaning like jobs are starting to roll in again, 1053 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 2: and you know, I think we're finding our new normal, 1054 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 2: meaning like people are getting tested before going to work, 1055 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 2: like everyone wants to get tested and to shoot and 1056 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 2: to do all of that. Travel jobs are kind of 1057 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 2: starting to pop back up again. Like I can definitely 1058 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 2: see the light at the end of the tunnel a 1059 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,320 Speaker 2: little bit, but it's definitely with you know, being cautious 1060 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 2: and doing the right thing. 1061 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:02,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1062 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,439 Speaker 3: I got my first invite yesterday for a media trip 1063 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 3: to go to California. 1064 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,800 Speaker 4: And in my mind, it's so interesting. 1065 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 3: I mean I used to, like you, I used to 1066 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 3: travel all the time, and I would get those trip 1067 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 3: invites like to a day, and it's just so interesting 1068 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,399 Speaker 3: to me to see where everyone's head is at, and 1069 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,799 Speaker 3: you know, what are certain brands thinking of requiring to 1070 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,360 Speaker 3: do for something like this, And who are the brands 1071 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 3: that are like, we should do something like this, and 1072 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 3: who are the brands that are like, we. 1073 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 4: Will not do this ever again. 1074 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's super interesting to see, like what's 1075 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 3: going to happen from here on out. 1076 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: I'll be very very curious. 1077 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like even with like events and like gatherings and 1078 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 2: all of that, Like it'll be interesting to see like 1079 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,399 Speaker 2: what direction brands and people go in because now we've 1080 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 2: all gotten really used to doing everything remote so. 1081 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 3: Right, right, and the budgets are shifting as well, so 1082 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,760 Speaker 3: like is it smart to have this budget? 1083 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 4: Like why why are we bringing these people here? 1084 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,239 Speaker 3: If we can do this in this different way, it 1085 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 3: just has completely changed the way that we think about 1086 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,319 Speaker 3: how we used to go about absolutely everything. Where do 1087 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 3: you miss traveling to the most? 1088 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 2: It's a good question, honestly, I think like eure Upe, Paris, London, 1089 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,279 Speaker 2: you know the places where Like, honestly, years ago, I 1090 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 2: didn't love traveling there because I would always only be 1091 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 2: there for like a day and a half, and like 1092 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 2: would go home and I'd always be like, oh, like 1093 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 2: I have to go. 1094 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,479 Speaker 1: To Paris again for like one day. 1095 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,400 Speaker 2: But now I'm like, oh, I would love to go 1096 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 2: to Paris for like one day right now and like 1097 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 2: go get a croissant and like walk around, like and 1098 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 2: then go back to New York. 1099 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,479 Speaker 1: It would be pretty great. 1100 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 4: Would be pretty pretty great. 1101 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 3: Okay, So at the top of this episode, I talk 1102 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 3: to you about how I know that my girlfriend Kara 1103 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 3: is totally fangirling over this episode. Do you remember when 1104 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 3: you had a moment where you first kind of fangirled 1105 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 3: over somebody else that you were in the same space with. 1106 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's such a good question. 1107 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 2: I think, like, honestly, when I first started doing I've 1108 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 2: been with them for a really long time, and Adriana Lima. 1109 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,400 Speaker 1: Was one of the other models. 1110 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 2: I mean I grew up looking at her for as 1111 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 2: long as I could remember, like in Victoria's Secret and Enabling, 1112 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 2: and then I was just like shooting next to her, 1113 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 2: and I remember being like, this is very strange. That 1114 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 2: was definitely one of the moments where I was kind 1115 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 2: of like, wow, I can't believe I'm working with people 1116 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 2: like this, like that I'm even at this level, Like 1117 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 2: this is nuts. 1118 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 3: And in your career, I mean, again, you've been such 1119 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 3: an established model in this space for so long, over 1120 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 3: the last you know, twelve fourteen years of being such 1121 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,399 Speaker 3: an active player in this space. What has been one 1122 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 3: of the and I'm sure there are so many, but 1123 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 3: the greatest lessons that you have learned in this journey. 1124 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,360 Speaker 2: Greatest lessons that I have learned, I think because I 1125 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 2: spent so many years like as a model, people tell 1126 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,280 Speaker 2: you how to look, how to dress, how to talk, 1127 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 2: you know, how to be, and I kind of got 1128 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,760 Speaker 2: very used to just taking direct and not giving input, 1129 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 2: not really taking control myself. I feel Like one of 1130 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,000 Speaker 2: the biggest lessons that I learned is like, if you 1131 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 2: want to do something like a you can, and you're 1132 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 2: pretty much the only person who can do that for yourself, 1133 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,880 Speaker 2: like to kind of just take control, take the reins 1134 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 2: a bit more like if you want to get something done, 1135 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,759 Speaker 2: like start with yourself doing it. You know, even when 1136 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 2: I first started creating content, I remember I felt really overwhelmed, 1137 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 2: like I need a videographer and an editor and a 1138 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,759 Speaker 2: this and a that, And it's like, actually, no, you 1139 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 2: can do all of that. You just have to figure 1140 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 2: it out and do it yourself for a bit and 1141 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,719 Speaker 2: then maybe you can graduate. But like, why don't you 1142 00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 2: just start with you. 1143 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,319 Speaker 4: You've obviously graduated. 1144 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 2: Now sometimes, but no, not always, like in terms of 1145 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,960 Speaker 2: that side of things, like creating content for myself and 1146 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 2: now even for Covey, like creating ads and like some 1147 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,279 Speaker 2: of the stuff that I'm doing now, I just do 1148 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 2: it myself sometimes a because I really like that part 1149 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 2: of the process. It's like so cathartic for me. I 1150 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 2: love editing. I love putting things together even more than 1151 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,480 Speaker 2: I like being in front of the camera, which was 1152 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 2: shocking for me to find out I didn't realize that 1153 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I actually really like sitting in 1154 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,719 Speaker 2: front of a computer screen for sixteen hours, like. 1155 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,879 Speaker 1: Editing a video. This is so fun actually, But yeah, 1156 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: I would say that's one of the main lessons that 1157 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:18,879 Speaker 1: I learned. 1158 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,759 Speaker 2: But I think also like to keep pushing forward is 1159 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 2: something that I always tell myself consistently, and that sounds 1160 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 2: really simple, but I feel like, you know, you have 1161 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,280 Speaker 2: moments where you're uncomfortable or self doubting, or something didn't 1162 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 2: come out perfectly, whatever it is, but it's like, stop 1163 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 2: dwelling on that, like, just keep moving forward and keep 1164 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,680 Speaker 2: moving things forward in the direction that you want to go. 1165 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 4: Love that piece of advice. 1166 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 3: Right now, people look at your Instagram or see you 1167 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,239 Speaker 3: in an advertisement, they see a woman that is obviously 1168 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 3: stunning and also on social has more than two point 1169 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 3: two million followers. When you look in the mirror, what 1170 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 3: is it that you see looking back at you? 1171 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a really good question. It depends 1172 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: on the day. I'm not gonna lie. 1173 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 2: Sometimes and especially lately, look in the mirror and I'm like, 1174 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,280 Speaker 2: I feel so proud of myself, Like I'm just like, wow, 1175 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 2: I'm so different than what like I try to reflect 1176 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,839 Speaker 2: on who I was, like five or six years ago, 1177 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,200 Speaker 2: when I felt so confused and lost and felt like 1178 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 2: I didn't have purpose. And now I'm literally looking in 1179 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,479 Speaker 2: the mirror and I'm like, I'm everything I never thought 1180 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,320 Speaker 2: I was going to be. Like I'm like engaged, I'm interested, 1181 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,280 Speaker 2: I'm being challenged, I'm trying new things, Like I feel 1182 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,239 Speaker 2: excited about what I'm working on, Like I'm like, go you, 1183 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,759 Speaker 2: like I'm so proud. But then sometimes when I look 1184 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,839 Speaker 2: in the mirror, I think, like, what the heck are 1185 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 2: you doing? Like you don't actually know what you're doing, 1186 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,880 Speaker 2: and are you even happy? 1187 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: And like what's happening? It really depends. 1188 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,799 Speaker 2: And then sometimes I just see like the kid in 1189 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 2: me that's just like wow, like you're doing really cool stuff, 1190 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,319 Speaker 2: Like think about you know who you were when you 1191 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,959 Speaker 2: were like five or six years old, and like where 1192 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,719 Speaker 2: you grew up and what you thought you were going 1193 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,240 Speaker 2: to be doing. 1194 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1195 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,600 Speaker 4: No, I love those takeaways. It brings me. 1196 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,839 Speaker 3: I have this quote board on my wall that says, 1197 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,400 Speaker 3: remember when you wanted what you have now, And I 1198 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 3: go back to that all the time because please, Like 1199 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 3: we've talked about the apartment search, like I dream. I 1200 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,399 Speaker 3: think you just constantly are in a place where you're 1201 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,640 Speaker 3: hoping to level up. Right. It's like you get to 1202 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,919 Speaker 3: this one thing and you're like, okay, but what's next? 1203 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 3: And you get to this one thing and then you're like, okay, 1204 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 3: but what's next? And what's so important and something I 1205 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,840 Speaker 3: have certainly learned along the way is to like make 1206 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,880 Speaker 3: sure to take a moment and take pause, because you 1207 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 3: have to celebrate the hurdles that you've jumped and the 1208 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 3: progress that you've made to get to this point right here, 1209 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,319 Speaker 3: right now. And it may not be, you know, the 1210 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,319 Speaker 3: top of the mountain, but it's really freaking dope that 1211 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 3: you got to a place where you're like on the 1212 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,440 Speaker 3: journey and you're on your way up exactly. 1213 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 2: Taking that moment for like self reflection is super important. 1214 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 2: Hard though living in a place like New York, plus 1215 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,879 Speaker 2: with social media, you're always kind of focused at what's 1216 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,319 Speaker 2: everyone else doing, But like taking a moment to look 1217 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,240 Speaker 2: inward is important. 1218 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,880 Speaker 3: We talked earlier about the struggles you had dealing with 1219 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,040 Speaker 3: your size and then getting to a place where you 1220 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 3: felt really comfortable in your own body. For someone that 1221 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 3: can share those sentiments, for someone that is struggling to 1222 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,200 Speaker 3: get into a place where they do feel at home 1223 00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 3: in their body, what piece of advice would you offer 1224 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 3: to them? 1225 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,759 Speaker 2: Like, one of the key things for myself was that 1226 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,720 Speaker 2: how I looked that morning, or how I thought I looked, 1227 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,720 Speaker 2: or the number on the scale or how my pants 1228 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,359 Speaker 2: fit would literally, you know, change my mood and how 1229 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,200 Speaker 2: I approached the entire day. I gave so much power 1230 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,400 Speaker 2: to that part of me, to the way that I looked. 1231 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,480 Speaker 2: And I think my piece of advice would be that 1232 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,759 Speaker 2: if you find yourself kind of spiraling or getting really 1233 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,160 Speaker 2: focused or down on how you look and letting it 1234 00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 2: impact you in these really intense ways, to maybe not 1235 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 2: focus so much on like making those thoughts or those 1236 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,880 Speaker 2: habits stop. For me, what made a really big difference 1237 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,720 Speaker 2: was like what new things can I focus on instead 1238 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 2: of this? You know, what can I bring into my 1239 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,480 Speaker 2: life that will take you know, so much of the 1240 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,120 Speaker 2: focus off of like how I look today? What else 1241 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,760 Speaker 2: can I focus on filling my life with? Like other 1242 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,760 Speaker 2: things that challenged me, engaged me, you know, occupied occupied 1243 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,480 Speaker 2: my time and my energy. Made a really big difference, 1244 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 2: and it kind of allowed me to naturally shift away 1245 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,400 Speaker 2: from being like what do I look like today? What 1246 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,960 Speaker 2: how do my pants fit? Like? What's going on? They're 1247 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,360 Speaker 2: like I think when you're in those zones where you're 1248 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 2: so hyper aware of your body, like the only way 1249 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 2: to get away from that is to like fill your 1250 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 2: life and your thoughts. 1251 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,320 Speaker 1: With other things. But I know it's easier said than done. 1252 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 4: Oh totally. 1253 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 3: And something we didn't even touch on was how you 1254 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,000 Speaker 3: were moving your body over you know, the past ten 1255 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,280 Speaker 3: or twelve years. Just give me like a sneak peek 1256 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,240 Speaker 3: a little bit into how you do that on a 1257 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 3: regular basis and maybe what that evolution has looked. 1258 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 2: Like, meaning like my reallyationship with working out and all that. Yeah, 1259 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,919 Speaker 2: so I think like many women, you know, I when 1260 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 2: I first started working out and I was in more 1261 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,560 Speaker 2: of that unhealthy stage in my life, all I did 1262 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,560 Speaker 2: was cardio. I was obsessed with cardio, hours of it, 1263 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,840 Speaker 2: like until I was so drained I had to take 1264 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,760 Speaker 2: a nap in the afternoon. And I kind of approached 1265 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,280 Speaker 2: exercise like that until like twenty fourteen, twenty and fifteen, 1266 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 2: Like I just would do like at least ninety minutes 1267 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 2: of cardio like every day. 1268 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,400 Speaker 1: I thought that was it. 1269 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 2: And like also as a model, like I didn't do 1270 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,840 Speaker 2: anything else because people would always scare you and say, like, 1271 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,080 Speaker 2: if you lift weights, you're gonna get muscle and that's 1272 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,960 Speaker 2: going to look bad and you're going to look bulky 1273 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,919 Speaker 2: and manly and. 1274 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: Like muscles are bad. So for so long, I like. 1275 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 2: Totally stayed away from anything like that, which I regret 1276 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 2: so much, which was so silly. And then I actually 1277 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,880 Speaker 2: met my husband and he kind of introduced me to 1278 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,160 Speaker 2: lifting weights, which I was terrified to do it first, 1279 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,440 Speaker 2: and then I absolutely loved it, Like it totally changed 1280 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,880 Speaker 2: my body. It changed how I felt about my body. 1281 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 2: And now like lifting weights and like not even doing 1282 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,360 Speaker 2: that much cardio is more so where I find I 1283 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:06,680 Speaker 2: found my happy place. 1284 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,000 Speaker 4: How'd you meet your husband? 1285 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 2: So I met Kyle on a flight from New York 1286 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:13,680 Speaker 2: to Colorado. 1287 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 4: Oh this gifts every time. 1288 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,000 Speaker 3: I love to ask people this because I'm just still 1289 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 3: hunting for my life partner. So I'm like, Okay, maybe 1290 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,520 Speaker 3: maybe the next flight, maybe they are. Maybe the next 1291 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,360 Speaker 3: time I go for a run, like something's gotta happen here. 1292 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 1: They're out there. 1293 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,120 Speaker 4: They are, they are, I know they are. What excites 1294 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:33,800 Speaker 4: you right now? 1295 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:34,720 Speaker 1: Oh? 1296 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 4: Man? 1297 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,920 Speaker 2: What excites me right now is building covey and like, 1298 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 2: I just have so much fun waking up and thinking 1299 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,560 Speaker 2: like what can I do for my like new baby 1300 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 2: business today, Like it's just so fun and there's endless 1301 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,560 Speaker 2: things to do, but it doesn't feel like a burdening 1302 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,240 Speaker 2: to do list. It's like all these opportunities and fun 1303 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,280 Speaker 2: things to tap into and new things to learn and 1304 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,120 Speaker 2: new ways to approach things. So that's for sure what 1305 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 2: excites me right now. 1306 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 3: All right, final question, You have an opportunity right now 1307 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,080 Speaker 3: to offer yourself a piece of advice. Looking back on 1308 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 3: the hurdle moment when you were eating the apples and 1309 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:15,240 Speaker 3: running yourself into the ground and seemingly not all that happy. 1310 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,760 Speaker 3: You have an opportunity right now to offer yourself some 1311 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,840 Speaker 3: words of wisdom. 1312 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,360 Speaker 4: What are they? 1313 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 1: I think that they would be. 1314 01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:32,200 Speaker 2: To stop being so hard on yourself, Like you have 1315 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,760 Speaker 2: to be kind to yourself. And I know that sounds 1316 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,200 Speaker 2: so generic, but it's like, I think we are all 1317 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,920 Speaker 2: our toughest critics. You know, we speak to ourselves in 1318 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 2: a way that we would never speak to anyone else, 1319 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,080 Speaker 2: like a friend, a family member. And I think at 1320 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,840 Speaker 2: those times, all I did was beat myself up and 1321 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 2: like wonder why I was so sad and like. 1322 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Felt so out of swords. 1323 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,440 Speaker 2: So I think the main key thing would be, like, 1324 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,320 Speaker 2: you need to find ways to be kinder to yourself, 1325 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 2: like mentally, physically and emotionally. 1326 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,560 Speaker 4: I love that, And thanks so much for your time today. 1327 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 4: This was so fun. 1328 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course this was so fun. 1329 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, really going back down memory lane, 1330 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,120 Speaker 2: Like even now when you revisit those moments, I'm like, gosh, 1331 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 2: like I've processed this even more since the last time 1332 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,080 Speaker 2: I've talked about this. 1333 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,360 Speaker 3: Oh for sure, for sure. Tell me tell the hurdlers. 1334 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,880 Speaker 3: How do they keep up with you? How do they 1335 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,560 Speaker 3: stay in the loop with you? Where do they go 1336 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,200 Speaker 3: on YouTube? Give me all the details? 1337 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so my YouTube channel, Emily de Tonado, Instagram, Emily 1338 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 2: de Donado, TikTok If you want Didnado, Emily, I'm all over. 1339 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 3: Is there an Emily Denonado on TikTok that's not you? Yes, unfortunately, 1340 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,800 Speaker 3: oh my goodness, doesn't she know? No offense, no offense 1341 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,480 Speaker 3: other Emily Denonado. But we were just looking for consistency 1342 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,520 Speaker 3: over here. I'm over at Emily Abodi and at Hurdle Podcast. 1343 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 3: Another hurdle. COCKERD catch you guys next time 1344 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:04,959 Speaker 2: In hir