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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks presented by

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Speaker 1: Caesar's Entertainment and official host of the NFL Draft, DJ

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Speaker 1: Buck here with you, Buck. What's going on? Man? Not

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Speaker 1: too much? Man, you know how it goes. Now we've

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Speaker 1: done to combine, we looked at all the data. We're

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Speaker 1: kind of get into that part of the offseason calendar.

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Speaker 1: We're now we're about to get ready for pro days,

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Speaker 1: and so you're trying to put all the Finnish and

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Speaker 1: touches on, like some of the guys that you knew

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Speaker 1: about but you hadn't done a deep dive studying. Uh,

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Speaker 1: You're trying to get your clusters right. And so it's

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Speaker 1: interesting because we'll talk about it later, but this offensive

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Speaker 1: tackle class um has suddenly become a very very deep

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Speaker 1: one with as many as six or seven first round guys.

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Speaker 1: So what does it look like after that first tier?

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Speaker 1: That would be interesting. Yeah, there are a bunch of

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned kind of separating those clusters. I started

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and trying to sort that out actually ended

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Speaker 1: up flipping them in my order. So we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about that during today's show. But I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you saw it, but I tweeted out over the weekend

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Speaker 1: and some people lost their minds about the wide receiver thing.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that? I mean, I saw about Alabama.

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Speaker 1: How you're saying like, this is the best group that

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Speaker 1: the best ones that we've seen. Well, I mean the

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Speaker 1: I tweet out how many NFL teams would trade their

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Speaker 1: receiving corps. And I said, I would say at least twenty.

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Speaker 1: People lost their minds. Now I'm talking about I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about underclassmen, I'm talking about draft eligible guys. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: And then I was kind of surprised how people would

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Speaker 1: give me pushback. I'm like, have you watched Alabama play?

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Speaker 1: They have four first round players, including including one who

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Speaker 1: what we've always talked about. They have a basketball team

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Speaker 1: there's a balance to their wide receiver corps that you

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Speaker 1: don't see. And a lot of teams, be it other

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Speaker 1: college teams or NFL teams, where you have a pecking

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Speaker 1: Where both of those teams have all of these guys

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Speaker 1: that are perfectly positioned to really shine in their respective roles.

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Speaker 1: Everybody can't say that. Now, well, we're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: in the episode. I've had an top fifty out three

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Speaker 1: new names on there. I'll give you those names and

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Speaker 1: why they made the fifty. You've got a mock draft

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Speaker 1: that's on the way, Buck, which I don't want to

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Speaker 1: explore that a little bit later on in the show. Uh, alright,

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Speaker 1: but before we jump in here, anything you want to

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Speaker 1: get off your chest here and anything to kind of

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Speaker 1: clear your mind. No, it's good you and I had

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Speaker 1: a conversation. I put the tweet out based on our conversation. Um,

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Speaker 1: Love and I have had love over Herbert, and then

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Speaker 1: the situation that I laid out is basically the situation

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Speaker 1: that we did for the Giants the entire year. In

432
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Speaker 1: a run up to the draft. We had them take

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Speaker 1: take a blue chip player early, come back and get

434
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, but low and behold on draft day, oh

435
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 1: my god, six big Daniel Jones goes because they wanted

436
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: a player. So maybe it's a situation as you alluded to, Hey,

437
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 1: take du to Herbert, eat whatever you have to eat

438
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: the criticism because everyone's I can't believe you took him

439
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: at five. But if that's your guy, you come back

440
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: and get the other stuff. It doesn't matter if he

441
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Speaker 1: plays to the level that you're expecting to play at

442
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Speaker 1: and I don't. I mean, I would imagine bucking under

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Speaker 1: that scenario. Let's say that to A doesn't go five,

444
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Speaker 1: that the Dolphins path I cannot see the Chargers passing

445
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Speaker 1: on him at six. Well, I mean maybe I need

446
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: the position and with his talent can't see it. I know.

447
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what I really wanted because I was like, man,

448
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: that would be a great thing, because imagine to A

449
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Speaker 1: plan on the West coast. Yeah, keep in l A,

450
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 1: keeping on the west coast, keep him around, uh in

451
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Speaker 1: a situation where he it's a natural rusher because Tyrod

452
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: Taylor can start and played a whole year if they

453
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Speaker 1: wanted him to play and wait for two to slowly develop. Also,

454
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: you talk about need to put butts in seats in

455
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: l A, Well, that's gonna do it. When you think

456
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: about the community and all of the other stuff, like

457
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: two would be celebrated over here because the proximity to Hawaii.

458
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Speaker 1: So I just think there are a lot of things

459
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Speaker 1: that make sense about that situation. If two is available

460
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Speaker 1: at six and they take him. Yeah, I absolutely believe

461
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Speaker 1: it's a scenario that could could play out. Can I

462
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Speaker 1: want to pose this question? This is not that's not

463
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Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about, but I've just been thinking

464
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 1: about this. I can't get it off my mind. So

465
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Speaker 1: is there a player in this year's draft that keeps

466
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Speaker 1: you up at night? And what I say about that

467
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: is what you feel like maybe you're too high or

468
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: too low? Is there one? Because I have one? I

469
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: have one that there's and I'm I promise you by

470
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: the time I get to my final update, he's gonna

471
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Speaker 1: end up being in my top fifty. Because every time

472
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Speaker 1: I put one of these lists out and I look

473
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Speaker 1: at it and I look, okay, who who? I asked myself,

474
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Speaker 1: Who am I going to regret three years from now?

475
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Speaker 1: Who am I going to regret not having in my

476
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Speaker 1: top fifty? And I keep every time I do this,

477
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Speaker 1: buck the same name is haunts me and I look

478
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: at it over and over and over again. Who is it?

479
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Speaker 1: You guess who it is? It's Jalen Hurts, It's Jalen

480
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: Hurts because I can see Jalen Hurts going at the

481
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Speaker 1: top of the second round or maybe even you know,

482
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Speaker 1: who knows, maybe somebody would shock us and trade into

483
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Speaker 1: the back end of one. But I just think if

484
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Speaker 1: somebody wants to build that offense around him with his

485
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Speaker 1: playmaking ability, and I know he's not perfect. I know

486
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Speaker 1: he's got room to grow there in terms of throwing

487
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: with anticipation, but this guy can make plays with his legs.

488
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Speaker 1: He's tough, He's won a bunch um. Even look at

489
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Speaker 1: the numbers that he's put up complete and high percentage

490
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Speaker 1: of passes. There's there's so many boxes that that kid checks,

491
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Speaker 1: and especially from a competitive standpoint, Buck, I just feel

492
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Speaker 1: there's like that there's that little there's that little not

493
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: in my stomach going don't don't sleep on this kid,

494
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: And I feel like I am. And that's the one

495
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: regret that I have every night when I go to bed,

496
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: I sit there and go, man, I gosh, I hope,

497
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: I I hope not wrong on Jalen Hurts, because that kid.

498
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Speaker 1: I just get a feeling that somehow this kid ends

499
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Speaker 1: up in the right spot. He can't do it for

500
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: all thirty two and in all every situation. But if

501
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: he ends up in the right spot and they commit

502
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: to building that offense around his skill set, I think

503
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: you got something. It's funny that you bring him up.

504
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: And Um, I've been a big proponent that he reminds

505
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: me so much of Dak Prescott that is crazy. I

506
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: won't say that their games are exactly the same, but

507
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: I think what Dak Prescott has done is he is

508
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: given teams a blueprint for how to play with the

509
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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. So a team that has a power based

510
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Speaker 1: running game and officsive line that is intact. UH team

511
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Speaker 1: that just needs what I would call it the other stuff,

512
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Speaker 1: the leadership, the stability, the consistency, knowing that he's gonna

513
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: show up each and every week and bring the toughness

514
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Speaker 1: and all of that. What Jalen Hurts provides that the

515
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Speaker 1: fact that he's done it for two programs, Alabama and

516
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma respectively, I'm encouraged by that. The fact that he

517
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: did it, Um, learning a playbook really quickly in Oklahoma

518
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: suggests that he can get up to speed and be

519
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: ready to play. There's a lot to like about Jalen Hurts,

520
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: and I think the thing that impresses me about how

521
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Speaker 1: he's handled this process. I feel like at every milestone

522
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,239
Speaker 1: he's gotten better. I felt like he was better at

523
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl than maybe he was during the regular season.

524
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Speaker 1: I felt like he threw the ball better at the

525
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Speaker 1: Combine than he did at the Senior Bowling in the

526
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Speaker 1: regular season, just in terms of mechanically spinning it and

527
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Speaker 1: the like. I also felt like, because it was my

528
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Speaker 1: third time interviewing him, I feel like I'm now beginning

529
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: to get more of the personality that shows up in

530
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Speaker 1: the locker room out. The last time we had a

531
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: conver station, I felt like he opened up and kind

532
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 1: of really shared, Hey, here's how I go about it.

533
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: I'm anna coach's son. I'm really similar in terms of

534
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: mindset to Nick Saban. I kind of get it how

535
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: to earn your way or whatever. I think that plays

536
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 1: really really well in meetings. I think it makes it

537
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: very easy for a head coach to fall in love

538
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Speaker 1: with him. And I think the head coach that falls

539
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Speaker 1: in love with Jalen Hurts is a defensive minded head

540
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Speaker 1: coach that understands that Jalen Hursts understands how important ball

541
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Speaker 1: security is and how important to other stuff in terms

542
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: of man, I could sacrifice my individual numbers. All I

543
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: want to do is win. I think defensive coaches find

544
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: comfort in those kind of guys as opposed to offensive guys. Yeah,

545
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I hear you on the defensive coach thing.

546
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: I also think of, um, you know the Raider's message

547
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: last year, right, Oh yeah, they're gonna get tougher, They're

548
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: gonna get physical. And I sit there and I think, man,

549
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 1: if they they've got Josh Jacobs, you've still got Derek Carl's.

550
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: You don't have to rush Jalen Hurts onto the field

551
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: if you don't want to. Um, but you could still

552
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: play him. That's the nice thing about him is that

553
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: even if he's not your starter, you can sprinkle him

554
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: in and Taysom Hill type role until he's ready to

555
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: take over the reins. But I just think of the

556
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: Raiders and that whole toughness, the brand that they're trying

557
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: to build there from a toughness standpoint, um and leadership

558
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: all that. I mean, he checks all those boxes. Yeah,

559
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: I think I think he plays well there. I think

560
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: another team that I would say, the Pittsburgh Steelers, I

561
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: feel like he would be a really good fit there. Um,

562
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: the level of toughness and what Pittsburgh is all about,

563
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: and what I would say is the metamorphosis of what

564
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Stellers are going to be. Uh. They've been

565
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: an offensive driven team the last four or five years

566
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: with big men and the killer bees and all the

567
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: other stuff. With uh, Levian Bell and a B I

568
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: think we saw that shift where the defense had to

569
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: step up if you don't get big Ben back. And

570
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: we've seen that Mason Rudolph and look, Duck Hodges. Those

571
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: guys are what they are. But maybe Jalen Hurts can

572
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: get them to play more of that conservative, old school

573
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: smash my football that has really played all than Pittsburgh

574
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: in the pass. All right, let's let we get We

575
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit earlier, started to spend

576
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: much time here, Um, but I do want to ask

577
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: you about that Alabama receiving corps that we saw this

578
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: last year, because I was sitting there think this. I

579
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: don't think I've seen a better receiving corps in college

580
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: football than this one. You can go back and say

581
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: with Odell and Jarvis, that was a big time pairing

582
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: they had at l s u Um. You know, the

583
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: offense didn't showcase them quite as much as it should

584
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: have to be honest with you, But in terms of

585
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: having four guys, I can't remember a group that's had

586
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: this type of depth, in this type of talent. Buck I.

587
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm kind of going through my brain here, Rack and

588
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: my brain trying to figure out who it would be,

589
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: and I can't come up with anything. No, that's hard

590
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: when you look at this group Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs,

591
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: Devanta Smith and jam And Waddle. Uh, you have a

592
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: combination of uh things that that you want. UH. And

593
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, I think he's the most natural number one

594
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: receiver UH in their crew. He can run, rouse, he

595
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: can do everything. He can be a chain mover, he

596
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: can make plays, but he's very very comfortable settle in

597
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: as the anchor of the passing game. And Henry Rogues

598
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: you have the speed Eamon. Uh. Every good wide receiver

599
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: corps has somebody who can do the stretch part of

600
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: the game, the vertical stretch game, UH, the reverses, the

601
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: things where you need to be able to lift coverage

602
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: for your teammates. He can do that. And DeVonta Smith

603
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: I think DeVonta Smith right now has been pegged as

604
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: the compliment player opposite those guys, but obviously we've seen

605
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: games where he dominates and has his way. I think

606
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: he's a guy who can make plays um at every

607
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: level where they're stretching it or kind of doing some

608
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: of the underneath stuff. And then in Jaylen Waddle just

609
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: another playmaker. I'm This diversity among the Alabama wide receiver

610
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: corps is one that makes offensive coordinators in the National

611
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: Football League envious because it is easy to show up

612
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: to work every day when you know that you have

613
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: playmakers positions in certain roles and you know that they're

614
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: going to kill it in those roles. That's the luxury

615
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: that Alabama had um every day they show up. Steve

616
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: Sarkisa knows, man, I got these four guys at my disposal.

617
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: Now it's just a matter of me not messing it up.

618
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: If I don't mess it up, we're gonna win a

619
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: ton of games, and our quarterbacks gonna put up big numbers,

620
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: no doubt. And we had a chance. So you had

621
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: a chance to visit with Jerry Judy at the combine

622
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: and asked him about playing on such a Talented Receiving Corps.

623
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: Here was his his response. You know, there was a lot,

624
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: a lot of great guys out there. You know, it's

625
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: always been competitive out there in practice. So I learned

626
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: a lot from the guy. You know. Um, I really

627
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: learned about making the best of your opportunities because your

628
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: your your opportunity is so limited all the great receivers around,

629
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: so once you get an opportunity, you just gotta make

630
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: the best of it. Well, but you can hear it there.

631
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's a it's a blessing to

632
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: be able to have the talent. It's another thing to

633
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: be pushed. Um, and these guys have all been able

634
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: to push one another at Alabama, and I think it's uh,

635
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 1: it bodes well for all four of them. I think

636
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: we could look back a decade from now when we're

637
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: talking about how special that receiving group was. It is

638
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: very special receiving group. And Jerry Judy alluded to and

639
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: I've talked to uh, our former colleague here, Reggie Wayne, Uh,

640
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: it was close thing. He talked about Miami and at

641
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: Miami when he was there with Andre Johnson and Santi A.

642
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: Moss that and and and he and he said Buck

643
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 1: like you, you couldn't have a sprained ankle like you

644
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: had to. You had to tape it up and go

645
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: because if you set out, you ran the risk of

646
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: never getting your spot back. And that it was so

647
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: competitive that no one knew who was starting until Saturday

648
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: when they put the names on the whiteboard. If you

649
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: can imagine how competitive that is where you just don't know.

650
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't know who the three starting receivers are gonna be.

651
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm away till Saturday a m to announce my starters.

652
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: Every coach would love to have that kind of competitive

653
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: room where you, hey, you don't have to coach. Hey,

654
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't have to yell, I don't have to do

655
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: anything because the guy is right behind you. That guy

656
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: can play, and I am not worried about you and

657
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: your antics and anything else. Compete at a high level.

658
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: If you don't, we just played the next player. Yeah

659
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: that's that. I forgot about that Miami group yet, that

660
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: was an unbelievable receiving corps. I would say probably the

661
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: Clemson group. I think there was saying a little bit

662
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: of carry over right with Sammy. Why Sammy DeAndre Hopkins,

663
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if Mike we was was a baby

664
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: when he was there. But they certainly had enough. They

665
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: had enough guys there. Just the fact that you have

666
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Sammy and Deandream. Don't forget Mark Davis bryant Um was

667
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: in that mix there. I mean you might might it's

668
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah that's pretty good. Pretty good group. Good

669
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: to stack those up. Yeah, that's that's a good doubt. Um.

670
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: All right, I've got three new guys in my top fifty. Here, Buck,

671
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: I'll go through them. Eats real real quick. Here. Antoine Winfield.

672
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: The only question I really had on him after watching

673
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: him on tape. I gave him a great grade was

674
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: the play speed or you know, time speed, and he

675
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: put down a four four five at the Combine had

676
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: a phenomenal workout, So he ended up climbing into the

677
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: top fifty. Somebody that can play in the nickel can

678
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: play as the high safety. And we've talked about it

679
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: all the time. Guys that are around the ball in college,

680
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: guess what they end up being around the ball at

681
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: the pros um. That's why I had Antoine Winfield moving

682
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: up there. Denzel's MEM's from Baylor UM talking about acing

683
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: the postseason phenomenal Senior Bowl, big time combine runs in

684
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: the high four threes. Um. The three cone, which was

685
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: a six six six is ridiculous. Um. Just a big time, fluid,

686
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: smooth athlete. That showed how explosive he is. I've seen

687
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: the acrobatic catches, I've seen thets down the field. He's

688
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: not gonna do a lot of dirty work in the middle,

689
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: but you want somebody outside to be a playmaker down

690
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: the field. Denzel Mims to me is a is a

691
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: second round guy all day long, who would not shock

692
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: me if he's snuck into the bottom of one. Uh.

693
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: And then Jeremy Chin who's a safety at Southern Illinois.

694
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: Another one we saw at the Senior Bowl is uh,

695
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: somebody I project to be a will linebacker ended up

696
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: running four four five at his size buck two hundred

697
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds. UM. He's just he's what you're looking

698
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: for at the linebacker position right now. Is two one pounds,

699
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: he's six three, He's got tons of ball production. He's

700
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: got thirteen career picks. I think you just you drop

701
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: him down in the box, let him range sideline. The sideline,

702
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: you can blitz him and then he can cover tight

703
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: ends and there's a lot of value in that. So

704
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: those are the three guys that had cracked the top fifty. Uh.

705
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: And then Jeff gladdening Is is re emerged in the

706
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: top fifty. He was in there originally he had fallen out.

707
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: He's back in as the forty six guy, the corner

708
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: from TCU. Who's who's got a little Denzel Award to him?

709
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: Just real quick, feisty, tough player man. Really good list.

710
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: These four guys are all deserving of being and that

711
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: makes it in the conversation, uh, in the top fifty,

712
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: and I think most teams would have conversations in the

713
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: base about these guys. And Antoine Wingfield What I like

714
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: about him? Um, I like the i Q. I like

715
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: the way he plays. Obviously we talked about the family

716
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: business to bloodlines. His dad was our first round pick

717
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: out our Higo state, earned Pro Bowl honors during his career,

718
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: and I think you see some of that. The size

719
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: is always going to be an issue, but if I'm

720
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: going to take a chance on someone who doesn't have

721
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: ideal size, they gotta have plus aspects in other areas well.

722
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: He has at four four five forty explosive vertical in

723
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: broad jumps, plus the i Q and the ball skills,

724
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take a chance for him. Denzel Mims is

725
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: interesting to me, and I'm a kind of pose this

726
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: to you. There's a conversation on the outside where people

727
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: are talking about te Higgins being the outside guy. Well,

728
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: if you don't necessarily like Tee Higgins and you don't

729
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: want to maybe have to PLoP down and spend that

730
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: kind of draft capital to get him where we think

731
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: he's going to go, well why not get a Denzel

732
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: Mems If Denzel Mems is available in the second round,

733
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: because when you look at them, he has height, he

734
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: has speed, We've seen the fluidity in terms of being

735
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: able to make plays on the outside. Doesn't love it

736
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: when it's noisy inside the numbers, but neither does te Higgins.

737
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: And so I think the conversation then becomes, uh in value,

738
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: how high do you value te Higgins? How high do

739
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: you value Denzel Mems. I think Mems has helped himself,

740
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: But I do believe that's a conversation because as we

741
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: talked about stacking the order and putting these guys in

742
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: positions at wide receiver, I think Higgins and men's played

743
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: the same position. Now, which one do you trust more

744
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: in big games? I think we need to have this.

745
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: That's a good topic for a future podcast. It's kind

746
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: of the McDonald's versus McDowell's. Group may those premium prices

747
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: for this version, but you get kind of the the same

748
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: thing for a little bit cheaper that that's what we

749
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: gotta We gotta get that going. Yeah. I think that's

750
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: a conversation that that you have to have because there's

751
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: so many wide receivers in this in this group, and

752
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: we've talked about. Um, when you're a team that's picking

753
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: in the first round and everyone says, oh, you need

754
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Um, can I get a comparable version

755
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: of that wide receiver in a later round? Uh? If

756
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: I can, then I can use my draft capital in

757
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: the first round on another thing. And then Jeremy Chen

758
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: the Southern Illinois safety, you talk about that size and

759
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: projecting them maybe as a guy that can drop down

760
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: in the box. There are a lot of people that

761
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: are beginning to try and find these guys that are

762
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: um slashes. I guess the best way to call them

763
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: their defensive backslash um linebackers. And can you get those

764
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: guys on the field because the speed uh and playmaking

765
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: is so essential to being able to succeed. But they

766
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: need to be tough enough to play in the box.

767
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people that have looked at

768
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: the charges in the way to charge were able to

769
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: put all those safeties on the field um a couple

770
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: of seasons ago and had success and tried to create

771
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: these three safety packages and these other things where Jeremy

772
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: chen is a guy that is the perfect alternate safety.

773
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: He's part safety, part linebacker. He's a big nickel player. Uh.

774
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: He definitely has value and the combine only only wedded

775
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: some of some of the people's appetite in terms of man,

776
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: what if we get a big playmaker like this, we

777
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: could really use him in a variety of different roles

778
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: in our sub packages, no doubt. And Kyle Dugger kind

779
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: of falls in that same role as well. So also,

780
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought him. I ended up flipping that

781
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought Gladney back. Gladden is an interesting study.

782
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: He's the boundary corner at TCU. But you talk about

783
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: the feistiness, love the feistiness at a time when we're

784
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: looking for corners that are tackle and have some physicality.

785
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: He has that, and you know they are these corners

786
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson and some of these other guys that are

787
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: kind of in that ram, in that mix, and like

788
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: the separating factor Damon Arnette, the separating factor for me

789
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: will be man, I gotta have a tough guy that

790
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: could live out there because teams are kind of cycling

791
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: back to where they're running the football and you cannot

792
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: have a liability out there playing in space. Your corners

793
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: have to be willing to engage and get runners to

794
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: the ground, no doubt. Um. That's I look at kind

795
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: of that clump of corners that I have at that

796
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: point in time, I have it, Um really kind of

797
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: sorting out these these guys I have, Uh Fulton is

798
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: my forty second, Gladney, I have Digs at forty seven.

799
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: He's a little different, but then I have Ournett at fifty.

800
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: So really those three guys uh As Fulton, Gladdeney and

801
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: our Nett. Trying to get those three guys that little

802
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: clump they're sorted out and our Nette running a four

803
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: or five six. That concern me a little bit because

804
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: I thought I saw a real twitched up player. Um,

805
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 1: it's not a death sentence fort time, but I would

806
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: like to see a little bit better hopefully this pro day. Yeah,

807
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: it just slows you down. It slows you down. So

808
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: the concerns that you have about Ournette, I liked him

809
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: on tape and I just thought he was a very,

810
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: very solid player, and I think in the second round

811
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: that's what I'm shooting for. You talk about floors and

812
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: ceilings second round, I'm more floor guy. I just want

813
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: to know that he's gonna be able to come in

814
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: and compete and he's gonna give me the production that

815
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: I want on the edge. So I look, I thought

816
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: he was solid, like I wrote down twenty two career

817
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: passes defense, I thought he was disciplined, had really good

818
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: feet balancing by thet I thought this technique was outstanding,

819
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: very good eyes and leverage. The speed is a concern,

820
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: but uh look we we we talked about it. Get Gladne.

821
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: I talked about the one who I really had a

822
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: problem with. I had a little bit of a problem

823
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: with Jalen Johnson in terms of I like the technician,

824
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: I like the footwork, I liked all that, but DJ

825
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: there were times where he didn't engage, and so at

826
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: the combine I did find out he had a torn

827
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: labor but I still wonder I don't know if I

828
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: can necessarily excuse some of the lack of physicality and

829
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: effort that I saw on tape, because man, playing on

830
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: the island, either you do or you don't. If you

831
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: want to get in there and engage, you do, But

832
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: if you don't, you can find a way to kind

833
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: of make it where you're unavailable when it comes to tackling,

834
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he was available enough even

835
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: with the injury. It just worries me a little bit

836
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: about some of the times that he would kind of

837
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: take a playoff at the very end of play when

838
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: I need to kind of throw his body up in there.

839
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: It's funny, man, because when I watched him, I I

840
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: have I wrote down that I like this toughness um

841
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: I saw especially in more in the passing game, just

842
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: one and two hand jam like, yeah, like I saw that,

843
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: but a challenge, the challenge with me with him as

844
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: he just didn't get nobody went at him this year. Yeah, Like,

845
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: I like all of this stuff in the passing game,

846
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of like a little bit peeve,

847
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: like there would be a running back coming to him

848
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: and the running back is getting tackled maybe three yards

849
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: from him, and you have a decision where you can

850
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: either throw in there and what we call top him off,

851
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: or you can just let the guy be tackled. He

852
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: doesn't like putting um sprinkles on top of the Sunday like.

853
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: He just kind of like, no, I'm okay, I just

854
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 1: like being the light cream good. No, no sprink pools,

855
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Speaker 1: no Oreo crumbles, Nope, I'm good with it just as

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Speaker 1: he is. And I would like to see him kind

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Speaker 1: of mix up and just just throw it in there

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Speaker 1: every now and then. See these are they See these

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Speaker 1: are good discussions that we would have in the draft room.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm going back through I have to find my

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Speaker 1: my in my notebook here to find where I haven't

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Speaker 1: written up. But in what I took from my notes

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Speaker 1: and put in in the computer here, Um, I thought

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Speaker 1: I had him as aggressive versus the run. So in

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Speaker 1: the draft room when we're having this discussion, it would

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Speaker 1: be okay, I watched these, you watch those, Let's watch

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Speaker 1: those other games and we'll come back and see how

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Speaker 1: we feel about it. But that's a great example. This

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Speaker 1: is a great example of what goes on inside the

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Speaker 1: draft room. Yeah, it is a great example. And it's

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Speaker 1: one of those things where it's not a it's not

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Speaker 1: a big deal. But as we're having a discussion in

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Speaker 1: terms of, hey, we got four guys, how do we

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Speaker 1: want to put him in order, that's the conversation that

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Speaker 1: we would have like oh no, no no, no, no no,

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Speaker 1: I don't want him first. I don't mind him being

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Speaker 1: in this thing, but let's get the order this way

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Speaker 1: as opposed to that way. And then we try and

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Speaker 1: figure out where we like these guys as we stack them.

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Speaker 1: Because the cluster buster is real, and when we're on

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Speaker 1: the clock and those names are being peeled off the board,

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Speaker 1: you want to feel good about who could be available

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Speaker 1: for your team at that pick, no doubt. All right, man,

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Speaker 1: well this has been great stuff. Anything else you want

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Speaker 1: to add before we jump out of here? Buck, No,

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Speaker 1: this is great, man. Like the closer we get to

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Speaker 1: and the more we can kind of narrow the focus

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Speaker 1: to talk about these guys. I love it, man, I

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Speaker 1: love talking about all of the stuff. Top five uh clusters,

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Speaker 1: top fifties where they stack ideal fist like we talked

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Speaker 1: about with Jordan Love and Justin Herbert, all those things

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Speaker 1: really really matter because, man, scheme fit is everything, and

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Speaker 1: you have to know what you want on your team

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Speaker 1: and what plays for your team and what doesn't. Absolutely well,

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Speaker 1: it's been fun, man, I've enjoyed these conversations. I remember

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Speaker 1: com Slash MTS video or the new YouTube channel their

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