1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: I am all in again. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: Oh, let's just you. 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 3: I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast one 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: eleven productions. iHeartRadio Media. iHeart Podcasts. Oh, we are going 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: to break down today? Season two, Episode seven, Like Motherlike Daughter, 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Air date November thirteenth, two thousand and one with the 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: one and only Madeline Zeema and she's an actress known 9 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: for her roles in Californication, twin Peaks, You and Subservience. 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: Beginning her career I Just Wait for It two years 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: old with an appearance to TV commercial for Downy Fabric software. 12 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Madeline's first appearance a Gilmore Girls is in the last 13 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: scene of this episode as Lisa. We see her when 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: Lisa sits down with Rory at the lunch tap. Oh 15 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: that was you, okay good? Yeah? The Bookish Headphone Club 16 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: the founding members all Right. Rory tries to shed her 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: loner image by joining a popular click after after her 18 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: meeting with Headmaster Charleston, saying that if you want to 19 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: get into Harvard, there has got to be a social 20 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: component to your life and your resume, because Harvard wants 21 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: leaders while Loralai ends up modeling matching outfits with Emily 22 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: at a Chilten fashion show hosted at the end directed 23 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: by Dennis Erdman writer Joni binder Weiss. Let's talk about Madeline. 24 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Rory's social behavior. She's approached by a 25 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: guidance count about her unapproachable behavior, to which she's told 26 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: universities do not look kindly on loaners. This leads herd 27 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: to seek out a group of social girls, the Puffs, 28 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: which catches Paris's eye as she walks by. Roy eventually 29 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: gets an invite to join the Puffs, speaks very highly 30 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: about Paris, knowing how badly she wants in, and her 31 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: whole family is also tied to the Pups. Madeline, thanks 32 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: for coming on. Did you go to a regular high school? 33 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 2: Oh, Scott, No, I didn't. I didn't. 34 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: I hardly went to school at all, to be honest, 35 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: I think Junior High was the last I was in 36 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: a normal school, and it was daring while I was 37 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: on the nanny so I was. I was quite bullied 38 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: in school, which was yeah, my parents should have put 39 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: me in a private school. But I was in public 40 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: school and it was probably the wrong move nowadays, I 41 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: feel like if you were in uh like a regular 42 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: school and you were on television, it would it would 43 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: benefit you. But in the in the nineties and the 44 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: two thousands, back in the day, it was not cool, 45 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: so or at least not for me. But no, I 46 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: didn't go to regular Did you go to a regular 47 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: high school? 48 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: I went to I went to a Yeah, I went 49 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: to public school. 50 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 51 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,559 Speaker 3: I always I was always envious of the high school experience, 52 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: you know, but I only I only experienced it through 53 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: little glimpses of watching things on television, which is not accurate. 54 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: Right, Well, so did you think Gilmore Girls capture what 55 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: it was like to attend private school? 56 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: I I'm not sure. I feel like I love that 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: in this episode that there is that that pressure to conform, 58 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: and that Rory is a nonconformist, and so it's low 59 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: like they both their their relationship mirroring each other in 60 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: that way where they're like living their own lives. I 61 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: feel like it was so ahead of its time in 62 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: terms of the way that shows were and roles were 63 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: written for women. You know, they were living by their 64 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: own set of rules and and they won in the 65 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: face of that kind of like societal pressure to conform 66 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 3: and conform and they didn't and it was it's really cool. 67 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: To revisit in your experience in schools, did you ever 68 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: encounter like a Puffs like group or a cool group 69 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: of girls at the school? 70 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: Well, when I when I went to junior junior high 71 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 3: was the last time I was in a normal school, 72 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: and then I was homeschool and after that, so I 73 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: never I never had like real any but but I 74 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: did encounter like the cool kids. 75 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: And I was the kid that. 76 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: Did origami, and my origami actually got me in trouble 77 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: I because there was this one girl who was kind 78 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: of mean to me. So I made a dog that 79 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: was an origami dog and I named it with the 80 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: name of the girl who was bullying me at the time. 81 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 3: And I showed it to one boy who I thought 82 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: was my friend, and he showed it to her. And 83 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: who knew oragami could get you in trouble. I mean, 84 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 3: what that's like wild, right, But yeah it yeah, So 85 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: I did encounter like cool or like at least very 86 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: mean clique kids that did not like me for sure. 87 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: So I was well cast as the like other bookish 88 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 3: bookworm who just wants to like chill with your headphones 89 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: and like read at lunch. 90 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: Es gave it to another you know, narrative. 91 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Do you believe the storyline if a girl like Rory 92 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: went to school, you actually think teachers would would ask 93 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: her to socialize more. 94 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: You know, What's it's hard to believe that you know, 95 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: a character like Rory. You know, there's something online that 96 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 3: I looked up and I didn't I didn't realize it, 97 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: but it's called, uh Rory, It's called Rory Gilmour syndrome 98 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: of like having all this privilege and being so beautiful 99 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: and perfect. 100 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: So it's hard to imagine that like. 101 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: That, like that character had any kind of difficulty. So 102 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 3: it feels a little bit of like a but it is. 103 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: It is, I think believable that, especially back in the day, 104 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: that they would be like, hey, this person's a loner. 105 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I don't know what it's 106 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: like in a in a private school. Maybe they take 107 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: a special interest, especially with like a straight a student. 108 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean in Rory's case, you know, she's 109 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: she doesn't come from she actually does come from money, 110 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: but not her mom, right, and she's walking into a 111 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: situation where she's you know, she's confronted by extremely wealthy, entitled, 112 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: privileged people. Yeah, so I kind of understand why she 113 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: folded and just sort of you know, blocked out and 114 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: zoned out and just wanted to get straight a's and 115 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: get the heck out of there and get back home 116 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: where her life was normal. 117 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 118 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: But I mean, why would we watch if she wasn't struggling? Right, 119 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: So it's it's. 120 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: And I also love that the all of the obstacles 121 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: do feel like really lived in in the. 122 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: Show, you know, even even your your guys's relationship. 123 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: Where she's she's thinking you're flirting with a with a 124 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: woman and and you're like, no, I was giving her 125 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: directions and and just I don't know, it felt as 126 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: you know, like you're you're reliving the show and you're 127 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: like the writing is so fantastic, so you you always 128 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: just kind of go that feels like a very relatable 129 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: miscommunication of like disconnect between two people where you see 130 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: something out of context done in it all, the all 131 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: of the obstacles really feel real to me. So and 132 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: it does seem I don't know, just like it's it. 133 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: I buy it, I mean, you know, but yeah, I definitely. 134 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: I definitely feel like watching from the outside, you're like, oh, 135 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: this is such a perfect experience, and then you know, 136 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: I definitely had a lot of compassion for Alexis like 137 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 3: coming onto the show because just you know, her amount 138 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: the amount of like work and pressure and uh. 139 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: That was upon her. 140 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: I was like, wow, that's you know, I had just 141 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: a lot of compassion for her because it was like 142 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 3: a lot. 143 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, eighteen years old and nine months you're locked down 144 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: on a set. Yeah, I don't think she was expecting that. 145 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: Probably not. It's hard. 146 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: It's hard for anybody who hasn't experienced what a network. 147 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 3: It's very much like a real it's a job. It's 148 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: a nine to five job, and sometimes it's eighteen hours 149 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: of a job. 150 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: You know, right exactly, like six to six to four 151 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: am job. Yeah, six six am to four am. Yeah, 152 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: it's just wild. 153 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: Sometimes I worked with Milo on Heroes. 154 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: I was like a recurrent on that for the last season, 155 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 3: and that was another crazy job where they would do. 156 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: Like eighteen hours on that kind of show. 157 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: It was because of the amount of effects and everything, 158 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 3: and then you have a high turnover rate of like 159 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: you know, having to do one every week. Like they 160 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: were complex, very very ambitious episodes. 161 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's after nine months of that, you're ready for 162 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: a long sleep. 163 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, you know, yeah, absolutely yeah. 164 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: People don't know. You have to experience it to really 165 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: know how it feels. 166 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you when you rewatch the episodes, is there 167 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 3: anything that you wish you could go back and change 168 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: when you like watch? Because for me watching it, I 169 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: was like I was such a baby. I think that 170 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: this was the first time I maybe was on a 171 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: set without my parents, like I really like, I think 172 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: I was maybe fifteen sixteen or I had like a 173 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 3: somebody drive me, and I felt like I was there. 174 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: I don't know if I was there by myself, but 175 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: I felt like I was. 176 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 3: And because again it's a long time ago, but I 177 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: was like, oh man, this is just such a It 178 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: was a sea. 179 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: Change for me, like just a turning point moment. 180 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: And I wish I had been more confident, you know, 181 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: because I was just like a little baby. But I 182 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 3: wish I'd been more confident and more like, you know, 183 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: like owned myself a little more. But how can you 184 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: when you're so young, you. 185 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: Know, well to answer your question the only times and 186 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: I don't really watch myself. I don't watch what I do. 187 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: I can't bear it. It's hard, right, it's very, very difficult. 188 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: And when I'm forced to, I look away and I 189 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: you know, I think I scroll on my phone. I 190 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, I just don't want to pay attention to it. 191 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: But on this there's so much to you know, there's 192 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: twenty five years distance. Yeah, so it's like another watching 193 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: another person, right, And you know, if I ever see 194 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: things that I've done that I want to change, it's 195 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: because of the writing on this show. It's really not Yeah, 196 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a couple of things I would change, Yeah, admittedly, 197 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: and I've stated this, but for the most part, you know, 198 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: the writing was so superb that you just didn't want to. 199 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: The thing that I take away from this now is 200 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: that I just feel very lucky to have been cast 201 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: in this because the writing's so good. And you know 202 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: how that is when you're going to work and you 203 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: get to be in that situation and say these things 204 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: in this situation, it's really that's the power of it, 205 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: because sometimes you go to work and you don't want 206 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: to be in the situations that they're putting you in, 207 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: and you don't have any power to really change it. 208 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: You try, and then you get labeled like malcontent or 209 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: something else, like watch out for this one. They have 210 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: a working brain. So but yeah, I mean it was 211 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: it was really I felt that way on a couple 212 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: on another show too, where I get to go to 213 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: work and I get to say this stuff and be 214 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: in these situations. It's really cool. It's like they just 215 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: sort of set you up for success. Yeah, and all 216 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: I have to do is like not screw it up, 217 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, That's how I felt about it, all right. 218 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: So why do you think Paris is so threatened by Rory? 219 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: Well, I mean she says it in the episode she goes, 220 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: you wake up and look like this, even though she 221 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: did get up and like put on lip gloss or whatever, 222 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: Like you know, Alexis as the as the actress is 223 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: just such a stunningly beautiful young lady that it's you know, 224 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: it's easy to compare yourself and feel like you come 225 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: up short kind of thing. So I think I think 226 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: it's there's that, which is just sort of an obvious one. 227 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: But then also Rory can stand up for herself in 228 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: the way that Paris doesn't. So Paris Paris you know, 229 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: acquiesces and tries to like bend herself to the pups 230 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: to try to make these girls like her. I think 231 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: we've all done that, right, We've sold ourselves out a 232 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: little bit to try to make somebody like us, and 233 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: then it still doesn't work, and we're. 234 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: Like, man, you know that, it's such a it's such 235 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: a it's a good lesson, right. 236 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 3: And then and then Rory sitting in her power, not 237 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: really caring about these girls, and and realizing. 238 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: For what it is. It's like, this is just a click. 239 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 3: It's not that important, it doesn't ultimately matter, Like she 240 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: has her priorities straight. She's like, I do have friends, 241 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: I do have a life like you guys don't know 242 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 3: about it, but I don't need. 243 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: To prove that to you. 244 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: Like that's such a I mean, like we all with 245 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: I wish I was that self possessed at like you know, 246 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: seventeen sixteen or whatever, to be able to be like 247 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: this doesn't matter and take it easy. You're you're okay 248 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: without this. I think that's one of the reasons she's 249 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: so threatened, is that, like Rory has a sense of herself, 250 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: and Paris is trying to find herself, you know, And 251 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: I think that's kind of you know, where we all 252 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: are at in a certain chapter of our lives, where 253 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: we're and I feel like you go through phases of that, 254 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: you know, right where there's like the part of you 255 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: that's the insecure, little kid part of you, and then 256 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: you kind of feel like you get over it somehow, 257 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: and then it comes back and you're like, how am I, 258 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: you know, thirty seven years old, thirty eight years old, 259 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: and I still feel like I'm awkward again? 260 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: How did I get awkward again? I thought it was full. 261 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: So it's like a constant I feel like losing and 262 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: finding yourself. 263 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: It is rather amazing that somebody sixteen years old can 264 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: stand up for herself that way with such extreme intelligence 265 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: and you know, emotional intelligence and extreme cool. She never 266 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: really loses her cool at all. It is remarkable. It's 267 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:22,479 Speaker 1: very unique. 268 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: Yes, And she also she advocates for this person that's 269 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: not even really her friend, right, she advocates for Paris 270 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: in a way that makes the girls like change their 271 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: mind about her, and she uses a little bit of 272 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: dark manipulation. You're like, WHOA. 273 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: She's like, well, she might be going to another clique 274 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: like how does she pull that one out? And You're like, wow, 275 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: that's the power for me. 276 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: It's like whoa she understands scarcity and sales. 277 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, it's pretty like you're saying, really remarkable. 278 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: It is for somebody that you all right, So laurl 279 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: I interacting with Chiltern, she gets a little peeved at this, uh, 280 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: at this new reality that that her daughter's facing. So 281 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: she pays a visit to Headminster, Charleston to defend Rory's 282 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: loaner habits, and he reveals that Laurelized active participation is 283 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: also low. So the tables turn on laurel I to 284 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: what she says, like mother, like daughter. Emily soon discovers 285 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: Laurelized lack of involvement at children and again is humiliated. 286 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: Uh loural Ie shares she will join the boosters club. 287 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: Uh is Emily right? 288 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. 289 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: Like again, this is one of those things of like 290 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: the societal pressure of being a kind of mom that 291 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: goes to all the PTA meetings as opposed to a 292 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: mom that really understands their kid, which you know what 293 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: I mean is like where is the where is the 294 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: emphasis placed? But but to a certain degree, maybe because 295 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: she did her daughter did go into the school, so 296 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: it's like you kind of have to play that game, 297 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: I guess, and then she does, and you know you 298 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 3: can't really I can't really can't change their stripes too much, 299 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 300 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: It's like if you don't. 301 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 3: Really want to be the PTA mom, which is pretty 302 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: a pretty restrictive role, and especially for that character to 303 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: try to step into. I think she was just again 304 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: trying to live by her own standards, and then I 305 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I'll do this for my daughter, but 306 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: it's not not natural. 307 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: Well do you think Laurla did the right thing going 308 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: to the headmaster's office? Is she being too overprotective? 309 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: No? I think she was trying to stand up for 310 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: her kid in the face of like what feels like 311 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: it's not appropriate. And also again she's she's defending what 312 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: her life really is, which is outside of this little, 313 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 3: the very restrictive box of the private school and their expectations. 314 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: I think she did absolutely was right, and what any 315 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: mom that really understands their kid and what their kid's 316 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 3: life is really like, that's that involved, right, It would 317 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: be rare in real life for a mother to know 318 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: that much about her teenage daughter, probably, but in this 319 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 3: perfect world where the mothers and daughters have open communication, 320 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 3: she's like, no, this is this is ridiculous. 321 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: Right, all right, let's go to the fashion show. So 322 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: she's a new member of the Booster Club, Laura Elias, 323 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: and she's well liked. 324 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 3: Which also feels like the Booster Club. When she did 325 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 3: the line, it's like she made it up and it's like, oh, 326 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 3: that was a real thing. I don't know if you 327 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 3: caught that in the show where it's like, oh, yeah, 328 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 3: the Booster Club, right, she was making Yeah, she thought 329 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: it was a joke, and it's like, okay, the Booster 330 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: Club does do a lot of good work. 331 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: Thought cute, Like that's the real thing. 332 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: So Laurel I offers to host the chilt and fashion 333 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: show at the end, but soon discovers she'll have to 334 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: participate in the fashion show herself. So luckily, uh, Laurel 335 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: I shamelessly volunteers Emily to be in the fashion show, 336 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: but shortly finds out that they will be matching as 337 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: a mother and daughter team. What do you think of 338 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: this scene? Did did you? Did you enjoy seeing these 339 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: two together? And you know, kind of enjoying each other's 340 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: company for the first time, like ever. 341 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, it's always nice when when two people 342 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: who are sort of opponents in a way like become 343 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 3: peas in a pod again, you know. And that's one 344 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 3: of my favorite moments actually, when you like when you 345 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: look over and you're like kind of rooting her on 346 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: and she's walking down the runway. That's like such a 347 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 3: cute moment, and I just think, I think it's it's 348 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 3: one of these things where it's like, oh, you know, 349 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: you always try to make peace with becoming your parents, 350 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 3: or you're like you don't want to, you rail against it, 351 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 3: and then there's parts of yourself as you get older 352 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: that you look at and you're like, hmmm, I'm a 353 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: little like them in certain ways, or at least I 354 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 3: can make peace with the parts of myself that I 355 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: refuse to look at that are like them, you know, 356 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: my stubbornness that mirrors my mother, my whatever I can go, 357 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 3: you know what, there's parts of that that I actually 358 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: really can celebrate, and that's so beautiful. So yeah, I 359 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: think this is one of actually my favorite moments in 360 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: this episode. 361 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 2: You know, And. 362 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: Brenda Strong was so funny in this episode, and she 363 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: had that line to Laurel I complimenting her on a 364 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: great job in a great fashion show. And you really 365 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: went the extra mile. I mean even hired an actor 366 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: to play a snooty French French guy. 367 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: It's so funny, it's ridiculous, it's so funny. 368 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Grenda is strong, like just like what an all 369 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: star fantastic cast, you know, right right. And I got 370 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 3: to meet her. She is just like Grace personified in 371 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: real life. 372 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: She was fantastic. 373 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: She was just amazing. 374 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder, like what her like most famous 375 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: role is, you know, because I know definitely that that 376 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 3: episode of Seinfeld where she's like the braw lady. You know, 377 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: that's like, to me, one of the things that sticks 378 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 3: in my mind. I know she also voiced I think 379 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 3: she did the voiceover for Desperate House Like she's she's 380 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 3: just like the iconic television actress. And then also I 381 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 3: think she's also directed like she just I don't know, 382 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: just one of those people that I when I was younger, 383 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: that I looked up to. And then I got to 384 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 3: meet her, and she lived up to every expectations. You know, 385 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: when you meet someone in the industry, You're like, gosh, 386 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: I just think they're they really had a cool career 387 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: and also like and then they are also like cool people. 388 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: That's to me, Eve, right, that's that's and she is 389 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: all of that. Yes she was. She was remarkable to 390 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: work with and I didn't get I just had that 391 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: one little quick thing with her, but I got to 392 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: spend some time with her on set. She's she's iconic. 393 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: She's iconic and just so tall and stunning Amazon. 394 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the kidnapping. Okay, So the 395 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: Puffs kidnapped Rory in the middle of the night, just 396 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: as Laura Lai had warned her they might. Paris clearly 397 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: caught off garden Is looking like a total mess. That 398 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: was pretty funny. 399 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked I liked the pimple cream. 400 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 3: I liked that addition, even though she had no pimples 401 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 3: on her face, but I love that in television. 402 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: And so she gets whisked away, spirited away, and after 403 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: sneaking into Chiltern, the girls are all caught by Headmaster 404 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: Chiltern and security. And they were going into Headmaster Chilton's 405 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: office to ring a bell to initiate Rory and you, 406 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: by the way, right, yes, you were being initiated. 407 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 2: One of the kidnapped kids, that's right. 408 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: And so the Headmaster Charlton springs and Rory defends her 409 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: actions by explaining she was encouraged by him to socialize 410 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: and find a group of friends. She did, and it's 411 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: something she actually never wanted. So it was a great speech. 412 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great speech, sech. 413 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: And after remembering that he was culpable here, Headmaster Charleston 414 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: apologizes and that he mentions he might have been too 415 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: hasty to judge. Why do you think Rory agreed to 416 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: do this to be kidnapped? Because you know, Laura gave 417 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: her the heads up. You think it's kind of seems 418 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: a little outside of Rory's comfort zone. But why do 419 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: you think she agreed to this? 420 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: Again? 421 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: I think she really cares about her future, right, Like 422 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: she's such an intellect and then going to Harvard is 423 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: like her dream, and she just is trying to play 424 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: the game so that she can, like you were saying, 425 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: keep her head down and kind of like you know, 426 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 3: go through the motions, you know, And and she has 427 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: a sense of herself above it, so she's like that's 428 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 3: above the situation, so she doesn't. I think she plays 429 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: along knowing she's not going to get like sucked into 430 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: any of this stuff. And I mean, how fantastic to 431 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 3: have that as like a. 432 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: A role model. 433 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: But I think it's really funny when they're doing the 434 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: little like ceremony, they're like secret Society ceremony, and she's like, 435 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 3: you know, like you know, she's just like she's just 436 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: going through, like I'm going to ring the bell, but 437 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 3: I really don't want to well you know, and it's 438 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: just like it was just yeah, I remember, I remember 439 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: that scene was I think it took us a while 440 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: to film that scene. It was like, you know one 441 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: of those where you do a few takes and you're 442 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: like okay, and I was just like, oh man, Yeah. 443 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 3: It was one of the few times that show was 444 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 3: like one of the few times where it's like I'm 445 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 3: like maybe not as like I'm happy I don't have 446 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: that much dialogue. 447 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 2: I had like two lines in the whole episode. 448 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 3: So anyway, but yeah, it was just it was a 449 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 3: really fun and all the other girls that were there 450 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: were really lovely and fun and everybody was really warm. 451 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 3: So that was really nice, really really nice, you know. 452 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 3: To work with other girls, and you're like, you're just 453 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 3: happy to be there. 454 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: Did that ever happen to you? Were you ever kidnapped 455 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: for any kind of initiation school or anything. No. 456 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: I always I always wanted some out of the box 457 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: thing to happen to me. But my whole life has 458 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: been sort of strange and out of the box. So 459 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: I think that, you know, those extra things haven't luckily 460 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: have not happened, like a fake kidnapping. That's also a 461 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 3: great plot device in Jawbreaker, which is one of my 462 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: favorite movies from this like era as well, like the 463 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 3: early two thousands, late nineties. 464 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: Like that was you know, this is like. 465 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 3: So many people's like comfort show because it was such 466 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: a part of their like adolescence and they're they're growing 467 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: up with Rory, you know. So it was like a 468 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 3: really big part of so many people's lives, and it's 469 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 3: one of those things that not to minimize, but like 470 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 3: I sometimes forget I was on the show because it 471 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: was like maybe two days of my life. 472 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: But I but. 473 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 3: I was so excited because I had actually, like if 474 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 3: memory serves, auditioned to play Rory, like you know, and 475 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: so I was like excited to be a part of 476 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 3: the show was like a big deal, I think the 477 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 3: second season or something, and so I was just like 478 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: happy to be like involved at all, like get invited 479 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 3: to the party. 480 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: You read for Rory? 481 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I did. 482 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: Oh tell us about that? Tell us about that? 483 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: Well. 484 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 3: I mean, like, look, I was fourteen. I think when 485 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: they auditioned, I was very young, and so I don't 486 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 3: know if I was really seriously considered. I think I 487 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: did get close. I know that Amy Sherman Palladino did 488 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 3: remember me, and Gavin Polone remembered me from the audition. 489 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 3: I think that's part of the reason that I kind 490 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: of got cast in this role. I was like lucky 491 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: enough to be remembered. I must not have blown it 492 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 3: too bad, which I did for many many auditions of 493 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 3: my life that I've that I've blocked out so long ago. 494 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, I did. I did read for Rory. And but. 495 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, obviously Alexis did a fantast 496 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: We actually had the same birthday me and Alexis. 497 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: Oh is that right? 498 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's September sixteenth, So uh yeah, So 499 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: I think she did a fantastic job, and she was 500 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: just a couple of years older than me, and I 501 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: know that they searched for a long time for the. 502 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: Role, so yeah, they did. They saw a lot of 503 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: people for these roles. Yeah, and credit to Amy and 504 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: the team to really fight for who they thought was 505 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: perfect for the role and not just go for names. 506 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 3: Can I ask you well, because back in the day, 507 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 3: there was more like people actually auditioned and if you 508 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: were good. 509 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 2: You got the job. That was like, that's now that's 510 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: not the case. 511 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: Now. 512 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: If you're high on a list or whatever, that's you 513 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: get the job. 514 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 3: But you don't necessarily have to know how to say 515 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: the words like everybody else had to do. 516 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: Right, What was the audition process for you? 517 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 3: And I forgive me if you've if you've stated it already, 518 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: but I'm always curious because I wonder what the testing 519 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: process was like for you or Yeah. 520 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: So you're you're gonna hate me for this. But the 521 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Loop role was in the pilot only a guest star, 522 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: So all I had to do was I went in 523 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: one day. I met Amy and Gavin and Leslie Lincot 524 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: Gladder who was directing the pilot, and the casting people, 525 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: and I read one scene and then I said, see ya, 526 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: because I was going to another three auditions that day 527 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: that this was the second. You were so loose, Probably 528 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: I was, and I didn't care. Yeah, I just I 529 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: was prepared, but I did not care because because I was, 530 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: I was. I had about a two year streak where 531 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 1: I was just nailing everything and not getting the offer. 532 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: And it was always like, you know, he did great, 533 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: but we're gonna go with so and so. Always every 534 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: everything right, and so I just didn't care anymore. So 535 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: I had like this what I call the dumb courage 536 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: of the truly burnt out. You know, I was just 537 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: like I didn't care what anybody thought of my reads anymore, 538 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: and so I just did what I wanted to do instinctively, 539 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: and you know, I've prepared the night before and all that. 540 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: But anyway, so after the first scene, I said, see 541 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: you gotta go, you know, bye bye, And they said, no, 542 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: you have another scene. I said, no, I don't. I said, 543 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: we'll look on your side. And he says, well, it 544 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: says Duke. Who's Duke. No, that's Luke. It's a misprint. 545 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: So how am I supposed to do and prepare the scene? 546 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: So I said, go prepare the scene? So I prepared 547 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: the scene, five minutes later, did the scene, left, had 548 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: the job. By the time I got home, it was 549 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: on my answering machine, remember answering machines. 550 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: Amazing, that's amazing. And then you got it. 551 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: And then they were like, actually, we want to bump 552 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 3: you up to series regular. 553 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: No, no, so I go up. I do the pilot 554 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: in Toronto. We did it in Toronto and film the 555 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: series of Warner Brothers obviously, and so we did the 556 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: pot So that was like the heat check, right, That 557 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: was the chemistry check. 558 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: Was the job? 559 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: Was the chemistry check. I was still auditioning for the job, 560 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: but it was a paid chemistry I was getting paid 561 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: to have a chemistry check with Lauren. So it did 562 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: the job. Came home, manager call little Waller said they 563 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: want to book you for two episodes and I'm gonna 564 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: say no. I said, what do you What do you 565 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: mean you're gonna say no? She goes, because I want 566 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: you to be on the show. And I'm like, okay, 567 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: well try that. And then they called back and said 568 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: we won him for four episodes, and she said no. 569 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: So she called Gavin Palone, who she knew, and said, 570 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: grow a pair, go into Warner Brothers and get him 571 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: a deal. You know you want him, you know the 572 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: chemistry's good. Let's go. So we did. And that's how 573 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: I got it. I didn't have to test, I didn't 574 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: have to go through anything. The test was the job 575 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: in Toronto, working with Lauren. 576 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 2: That is fantastic. I don't hate you for that. I 577 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: think that's fair. 578 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: Okay, it's a great way to do it well. 579 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: Also, again, it's such a different like it's it reminds 580 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: me of this time in the industry where there was 581 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: just people who did fight for you. You could get 582 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 3: like you could be good in a room and also 583 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: get because people are so passionate about you, you can 584 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 3: get this like. 585 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: You know, fantastic, like life. 586 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: Changing, career changing role from just being good one time 587 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: in a room. Nowadays, from all my friends who are 588 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: you know, directors, casting directors, other actors. How casting works nowadays, 589 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: from what I understand a lot of the time is 590 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: they have their A choice and their B choice and 591 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 3: because nobody can agree on the A choice or the 592 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 3: B choice, nine times out of ten, the person who 593 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 3: gets the job is the C choice because they don't 594 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,239 Speaker 3: because they just don't hate that person, because they're not 595 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 3: like passion. 596 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: They're more neutral. And when you watch a lot of shows, 597 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: you're like, man, there's a lot of sea choices. 598 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: Up there, right right right. 599 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 3: That's why people go back to this show so often 600 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 3: because the casting is fantastic, you know. 601 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: I agree, they nailed the casting on this so well. Yeah, 602 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: and it's like as great a performance as Lauren gives, 603 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: I feel that every other actor in this show delivers 604 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: an equally stunning performance. 605 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: I agree. 606 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, just no matter how big or small, 607 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: the role is as memorable, you know, maybe not as 608 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: emotionally involved. We don't get to spend as much time. 609 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time with Lauren, and we should. 610 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: It's our show. So but yeah, what a. 611 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 2: Ca There's not a week link in the bunch. 612 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: No, And that's another exciting The exciting part of the 613 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: job was you get to go, you know, hit the 614 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: ball around with some great players. 615 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's that it improves your game. 616 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: You just kind of you get shirt automatically as. 617 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: It's like you know, you know it's sink or swim 618 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: over there, because man, I tell you, you know, it's like 619 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: it's like the New York theater scene they'll just eat 620 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: you alive. If you can't hang right, they will just 621 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: chew you up, spit you out. Next. Yeah, it's like 622 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: and that's what this was like. And it was just 623 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 1: like perfect environment for me, perfect, just so great. Love 624 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: the challenges that that show presented because you don't get that. Yeah, no, 625 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: you don't get you don't get that now. 626 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 3: You definitely don't get the level of writing that the 627 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 3: show obviously had. But then also, like you're saying, when 628 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 3: you work nowadays, sometimes somebody will be cast who's like 629 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 3: an influencer or like whatever. I mean, I haven't worked 630 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 3: with too many people like that, but then, but from 631 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 3: what I hear, it's like it's just like putting training 632 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 3: wheels on and learning to write it. They don't know 633 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 3: how to do anything more than like not to minimize. 634 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 3: Because there's some influencers who are talented and amazing, but 635 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 3: they sometimes don't know how to do more than like 636 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 3: fifteen seconds to a minute at a time. So doing 637 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 3: a six page scene or a monologue where you have 638 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: to be verbatim perfect, no, and they get recast. And 639 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 3: so it's an expensive mistake that people make nowadays by 640 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 3: not like just actually reading people and then giving the 641 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 3: role to the person who's right for the job. 642 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: It's just so unfortunate, and I mean, all I have 643 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: to do is like, I'm sure you do it, and 644 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: you see it, and I see it, and I look 645 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: through these shows and I'm like, how on earth did 646 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: they did this get made? With these people? What's happening? 647 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: You know? Where are the standards? The standards are just 648 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: out the window now Again. 649 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 3: It's perceived value more than just somebody who can really 650 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 3: make you feel something, right, right, I think again, like 651 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 3: like we were saying, like I was saying earlier, like 652 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 3: you sell yourself out to try to like get somebody 653 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 3: to like you. And I feel like our industry has 654 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 3: done a little bit of that. They've tried to sell 655 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 3: themselves out kind of to get more people to like us. 656 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 3: In the process, less and less people do. 657 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: Right, because it's no longer you know, the the the 658 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: format has changed, the business model has changed completely. It's 659 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: not about gathering people around the TV set once a 660 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: week at a prescribed time. It's about and then keeping 661 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: them for year after year after. It's not about that. 662 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: It's about it's about just jamming overwhelming amounts of content 663 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: down everybody's throat, right, doesn't matter if it's any good, 664 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: and it's never going to have a chance, it's never 665 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: going to have a chance to build a real community 666 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: around it, except for the outlier you know this maybe 667 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: a Stranger Things or something like that. And even those 668 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: shows don't last beyond you know, four years, because then, 669 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: you know, the business model doesn't allow that show to continue. 670 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: They just want to just keep you know, keep general 671 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: churning out all of this new content content content. And 672 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: that's a constructive you know, that's a contract of construct 673 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: of big tech. That's how they want it, right, And 674 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: it's like, my desire to remain in the business is 675 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: not what it was because of this process and who's 676 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: getting cast and how they're getting everything that you've pointed out. 677 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: And it's not like adapt or die. It's like it's 678 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, maintaining standards. It's like, what quality of work 679 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: are you willing to do? You know, how far are 680 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: you willing to lower your standards to have a job 681 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: in the industry. 682 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: I mean, people will, people will. 683 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 3: Times is tough, so people will do whatever to kind 684 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 3: of you know, times are. 685 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: Tough, right, yes, exactly, Yeah, but. 686 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 3: I think it's also like sort of like mirroring the 687 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 3: socioeconomic landscape as well, because if you only keep people 688 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 3: for four years, and you have a deal with them 689 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 3: for only four years, and you don't have to renegotiate 690 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 3: because the show is not going to go beyond that, 691 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 3: they can keep people coming in and going for cheap 692 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 3: and it's the new thing, the new thing, the new thing, 693 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 3: so that people don't get a chance to really build 694 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 3: their career and gain longevity and also increase their value. 695 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 2: Right. 696 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 3: So there it's a way of sort of keeping things 697 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 3: fast and cheap and the hot new thing, and it's 698 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 3: it's it's an unfortunate part of what the industry has become, 699 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 3: but it wasn't what the industry was. And I feel 700 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: really lucky that I kind of grew up in a 701 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 3: version of the industry. Like when I was on The Nanny, 702 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 3: I got to work with I got to work with 703 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 3: Elizabeth Taylor, I got to work with like Donald O'Connor, 704 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 3: like these like legends of like the silver screen, like 705 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 3: I was even though because I was so young, but 706 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 3: I got an education from like Jason Alexander did a 707 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 3: guest star on The Nanny, so I got to talk 708 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 3: like to George Costanza and he you know, we did 709 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 3: the times together. Like I got to have these amazing 710 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 3: moments of like learning from a totally different generation than 711 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 3: my own and really got such a beautiful education in 712 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 3: terms of you know, like watching people in their craft 713 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 3: and also they're professionalism, there their grace, Like people who 714 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 3: came on the show. I remember just feeling like, wow, 715 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 3: these are the best humans. They told the best like 716 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 3: I mean, like the character actors, best stories. They were 717 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 3: always going to like you know, they had family vacations planned. 718 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 3: I was just like, I was like, I want to 719 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 3: grow up and be a working actor, you know, and 720 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: just and just continue to do this because those to 721 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 3: me were the like most lovely humans. 722 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 2: And so yeah, I'm still doing it. But it's crazy. 723 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 2: It's a crazy industry. Now. 724 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, the epitaph for the industry. I mean, I feel 725 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: for great filmmakers. I feel for all the visionary filmmakers 726 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: and that aren't going to be able to express their voice. 727 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: I feel for people like you know, the next crop 728 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: of Tarantinos, you know, this kind of thing. I mean, 729 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: that guy was Technology pushed that guy out of the 730 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: business because he couldn't do it on film, and he 731 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: was rebelling against digital and continues to And it's sad 732 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: because that, you know, the great storytellers of our time 733 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: are being defeated by technology. That's one of the big 734 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: things I noticed on the Netflix episodes when we came 735 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: back to do those episodes. The level of technology overwhelmed 736 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: the set. It became about what they were capable of doing, 737 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: and they got some great stuff, but at what cost, 738 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I know I feel 739 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: the same way. I'm watching it too, and it's you know, 740 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: what do you I don't know what to do about it. 741 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: Just accept forge alliances with like minded people, and do 742 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: your own projects the way you want to do them. 743 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's really the secret. And 744 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 3: also the form changes, right because there is like like 745 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 3: YouTube has has made it possible for there be for 746 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 3: there to be a democratization of content. So if people 747 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 3: do put something together that's good and they can just 748 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 3: put it out themselves, they bypass a lot of the 749 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 3: the monsters of the industry that are like the gatekeepers, 750 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 3: you know. So so I think like there is hope 751 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 3: for for new generations of storytellers if we can all 752 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 3: keep our attention span growing, which I know my attention 753 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 3: span is. 754 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 2: Being chopped up as well. 755 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 3: So I think it's just, you know, we're all we're 756 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 3: all in a in a in an interesting chapter of 757 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 3: life with the like the like the threat of AI 758 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 3: and all these kind of things, and I think the 759 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 3: only thing that really can keep us, you know, grounded 760 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 3: and tethered to our own humanity is, like you were saying, 761 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 3: to connect with other humans that like share your values, 762 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 3: mirror even like higher standards back and and can keep 763 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 3: us kind of like in a place of hopefulness because 764 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 3: we have have to keep hope alive. We have to 765 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 3: keep that little spark of inspiration and joy and the 766 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 3: love of storytelling and the love of connecting with people 767 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 3: through shared experience. You know, I think just just remaining 768 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 3: to just keep that as as the core of what 769 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 3: we need to share with each other so that we 770 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 3: can kind of see ourselves through what feels like kind 771 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 3: of a dark chapter. Not to be heavy, sorry, like 772 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 3: it's a light podcast. I have no problem. I'm like 773 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 3: always bringing in the existential dread questions. 774 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: Sorry, that's okay. I mean somebody's got to play Devil's 775 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: advocate because nobody wants to do it anymore, I'll just 776 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: want to go along, right And. 777 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And I feel the same because Med. 778 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: And it's like, come on for you to speak speaking up? 779 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, because again I'm from I'm even 780 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 3: though I'm I'm young ish, I'm not really that young, 781 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 3: but like I feel like I'm I'm to this older 782 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 3: generation because of this lineage of storytelling and because I 783 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,839 Speaker 3: have been doing this for so long, I have so 784 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 3: much skin in the game, like an embarrassing amount, you know, 785 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 3: Like you know, when you've been doing something for thirty 786 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 3: something years, you should be. 787 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 2: Able to retire. 788 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 3: I wish I could so, but but uh yeah, you know. 789 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 3: But that's why people love this show, right, That's why 790 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 3: people come back. That's why I watch Friends over and 791 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 3: I fall asleep watching Friends every night, you know what 792 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 3: I mean. Because I'm like, it's. 793 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,720 Speaker 2: That cast is perfection. 794 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 3: This cast is perfection because they they really had to 795 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 3: earn every role and they were the best for that role. 796 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,320 Speaker 2: Period. 797 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 3: You know, it was more of a meritocracy when we 798 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 3: were coming up, right, it just was more It's still 799 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,879 Speaker 3: there were still people who got jobs, and like there 800 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,720 Speaker 3: was still like this and that. 801 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:53,919 Speaker 2: But. 802 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 3: It was much more like, if you were good, you 803 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,720 Speaker 3: could survive. In fact, you could thrive. 804 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: Well. If I had to do it all over again, 805 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: I would have entered professional wrestling. 806 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you smell what theck is cooking? And you're like, 807 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 2: and then I would just have my own production studio 808 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:14,879 Speaker 2: and I could. 809 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: I never should have left the gym. In the gym, 810 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: go not acting classes to stay in the gym. Madeline, 811 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: you have to come back. We have more ground to cover. 812 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'd love to at least come back. 813 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: It was really great talking to you and I love 814 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: your insights, So you have to come back. We're gonna 815 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: make that commitment right now. It's a verbal contract. So 816 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: if you don't come back, you're in trouble. 817 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm a. 818 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: Good deal. Good deal, Madelin Zeema, thank you so much. 819 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: We're going to wrap this up right now. Best fans 820 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 1: on the planet. Thanks for download and keep the cards 821 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: and letters coming and the emails as well. We love 822 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: them all, and remember where you lead, we will follow. 823 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: Stay safe, everyone, do everybody to forget. 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