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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Dr Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew, dude, where have you been.

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Speaker 2: Seen? In forever? You? John Harris, me Andrew Doherty and you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We're glad it's the three of us. You're watching, your listening,

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Speaker 3: and we appreciate you being with us. Is Texans in

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Speaker 3: the Lab, presented by Infinity. It's the first one of

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Speaker 3: the off season. We did this the week before, well

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Speaker 3: not the week but the week of the Texans and

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Speaker 3: Chiefs Divisional round playoff game. Good guys came up short

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Speaker 3: and now they're going to gun for.

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Speaker 2: Next year. Yep, a lot going.

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Speaker 3: On with this time. Since then, a lot has happened.

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Speaker 3: New offensive coordinator. You've been to the CIA Bowl and

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl's been about to get played. So we're

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Speaker 3: gonna hit all three of those things. But let's start

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Speaker 3: with the offense of coordinator stuff. Yep, Nick Kaylee, interesting background,

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Speaker 3: fascinating background, comes to town and many of the same

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Speaker 3: assistants are staying. But things will be different, clearly, and

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Speaker 3: this guy's got a very fascinating skill set and set

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Speaker 3: of experiences that's going to set him apart. I've said

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Speaker 3: set nineteen times in the last twelve seconds. They apologize,

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Speaker 3: but ultimately, why do you think he was the choice?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny. When I was in Mobile, Drew and Mobile.

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Speaker 5: It's funny because Mobile kind of marks time for me

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Speaker 5: because it's the reset of the new season more, you know,

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Speaker 5: the draft prospects.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, I'm there.

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Speaker 5: For so many reasons, for so many reasons, But every

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Speaker 5: year that I'm there, it felt like for the last

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Speaker 5: four years, other than last year, a coach was hired

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Speaker 5: much coaches being hired, but it was coach is staying.

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Speaker 5: There was a lot of talk about Draw Johnson leaving,

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Speaker 5: obviously it's announced that Bobby is not coming back for

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. So when I'm in Mobile, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know how exciting that must be.

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Speaker 5: You know, an opportunity for an offense according to jump

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Speaker 5: into that offense, et cetera. You know what happened to

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Speaker 5: the offense, you know, wanting to know things. So it's

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Speaker 5: always kind of mobile where it ends up where you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm there when a lot of things are happening. I

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Speaker 5: remember driving one day to practice and listen to Sean

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Speaker 5: Cully was going to be the new head coach in

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Speaker 5: And then the next year was the Josh McCown stuff,

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Speaker 5: Like I was talking to my friend John Schmelk, who

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Speaker 5: I just he was kind of he was talking to

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Speaker 4: They're in the valley, they're in the valley. And then

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Speaker 5: Me the Giants home schedule for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Who they play in twenty twenty five and.

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Speaker 5: Drew It's it's one of the craziest home schedules I've

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Speaker 5: ever seen, I've ever heard. It's Green Bay, it's Kansas City,

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Speaker 4: I think I may have sent Kansas City. Anyway, So

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Speaker 4: we're kind of commiserating about that.

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Speaker 2: North from the NFC. They get the North from in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they get lots of playoff team yes so, and

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, and both teams that went to

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Speaker 5: And so you know, we're just kind of talking and

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Speaker 4: It's kind of mobile Mark's time.

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Speaker 5: As far as Nick being that guy, it's funny because

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Speaker 5: he's got a little bit of the McVeigh stuff. And

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Speaker 5: I think learning under Sean McVay has worked out for

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Speaker 2: You know, Kevin O'Connell McVeigh loves him too.

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Speaker 5: So you know, he's I think he's forty or forty

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Speaker 5: Everything that I've read and heard about him just makes

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Speaker 5: is a ton of pressure on him, But then again,

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Speaker 5: There's gonna be a ton of pressure on c J. Stroud,

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Speaker 5: So having both of them being able to work together.

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Speaker 5: To me, and I've said this a couple of times,

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Speaker 5: whether it's in a text I sent to Mark and Andre,

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Speaker 4: Carrey is a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 5: But this is that year where he adds, you know,

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Speaker 5: higher level of responsibility for him now going into his

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Speaker 4: When I heard he was not going to the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 5: No screwing around, He's getting his workouts done. He's just

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Speaker 4: CJ.

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Speaker 5: Shroud, I don't want it to be and I and

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Speaker 5: I heard this on sports Radio six ten.

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Speaker 4: At some point, you know, fix CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like and there were people J. Stroud,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if little things need to be tweaked.

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Speaker 3: I think ye, more than one thing that needs to

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Speaker 2: CJ.

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Speaker 3: Strout could have gotten better. Bobby Slowan could have been better.

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Speaker 3: You know, pass protection as a whole, not just including

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Speaker 3: there was a lot that went into the I think

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Speaker 3: we can all agree it was a step back offensively.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we also got to.

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Speaker 3: Remember that was still an offense that was able to

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Speaker 3: It was not the dumpster fire that some make it

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Speaker 3: a collective got worse. It's not just one thing, that's right.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of little tweaks. And you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I exactly, And that's kind of my point. I

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Speaker 5: When I hear the word fix, I'm like, oh, that

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Speaker 5: means he's broken. I don't know that CJ was broken.

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Speaker 2: Even in the losses. Yeah, he made Green Bay is

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: Joe Burrow with the Bengals made the Super Bowl in

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Speaker 4: They've they've been out of the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: You know, Justin Herbert hasn't even been to the divisional

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Speaker 2: He's you know, this is.

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Speaker 5: His I think he's going into six twenty sixth year

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Speaker 5: and what's two a tongue of blow had done. You know,

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Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson has gone to one AFC Championship game.

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Speaker 2: A long time.

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Speaker 2: It's now his Dan Reno got there in the second

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Speaker 4: Dan Fautzon never went to Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: So look, this is it's not it's not a snap

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Speaker 5: your finger and make the magic offensive coordinator happen. There

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Speaker 5: are a lot of things that have to happen. And oh,

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Speaker 5: by the way, you need a little luck. You need

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Speaker 5: a little luck in everything, especially when you go win

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Speaker 5: a championship. The Chiefs have needed it along the way.

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Speaker 5: So you know, from that standpoint, there aren't many quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Aren't many teams that can just for an entire season

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Speaker 5: Mahomes or Brady has played in the AFC Championship Game

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Speaker 4: Twenty one season.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's remarkable how two quarterbacks dominated during that time.

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Speaker 3: they're true false Gray Zabel to be a top fifty pick.

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Speaker 4: That's what thumbs up. Ysabel is outstanding.

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Speaker 3: Those that was worst. That was what was said about

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Speaker 2: Exactly when they took him.

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Speaker 5: Tyler Booker's six three sixty four about three point forty

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Speaker 4: You just to rock just a grant.

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Speaker 5: Now, he was not playing in Mobile, but he is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very very Ohio State. Well, it's funny.

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Speaker 5: So so let me let me ask you why, because

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Speaker 5: But I just think there are too many teams with

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Speaker 4: So we'll see and know and look.

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Speaker 4: So maybe you know, maybe at that point you look

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Speaker 5: Look trace s mean's gonna get a lot of money

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Speaker 4: But that's gonna cost you a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: The Texans will select a tight end with one of

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Speaker 5: How do I answer this? I love Kate Stover. I

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Speaker 5: That doesn't you mentioned Terrence Ferguson from out of Oregon,

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Speaker 5: I mean there could be a guy like, for Examplet's

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Speaker 5: give you the example. I don't think this is the

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Speaker 5: player that we think about, but Roonda Gadsden, whose dad

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Speaker 5: Ronnie Gaston, the second is the player. Roondick Gatson's dad

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Speaker 5: played wide receiver at Miami Dolphins. Ronnie Gatston's a kind

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Speaker 5: of tight end wide receiver, highbrid kind of a big dude.

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Speaker 5: You know, maybe you look at something like that where

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Speaker 5: you got some tight end ability and a wide receiver body,

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Speaker 5: or wide receiver ability and a tight end body. So

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Speaker 5: I just I love I love this tight end class.

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Speaker 5: Those guys I mentioned that you have in this class,

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Speaker 5: I think are just you know, tremendous. Mitchell Average from

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Speaker 5: Notre Dame, Gavin Bartholomew who was at the pit tight end,

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Speaker 5: he was at the Senior Bowl. I thought he was

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Speaker 5: really really good. Uh, Jake brin Stoole is at the

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Speaker 5: Senior Ball. I thought a good senior ball. So I

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Speaker 5: just feel like you've got tight ends that you you

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Speaker 5: can go get. But that said, the way that you

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Speaker 5: look at you know, Travis Kelsey's used how Dallas Goddard

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Speaker 5: to use these teams being the Super Bowl, you know,

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Speaker 5: wanting to mimic what those teams do. I think tight

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Speaker 5: ends are going to him off the board relatively quickly.

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Speaker 5: In fact, in my mock, I had I had I

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Speaker 5: had a tight end. I think I had Colson Lovelin

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Speaker 5: going to the Colts. So could I see a tight end, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I absolutely could. I would love Elijah Royal. I would

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Speaker 5: love him. I think you put Elijah Royo with Kate

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Speaker 5: Stove adult Schultz. Holy smokes, but you're getting Brevin Jordan

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Speaker 5: back off the ACL. You got him for a year,

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Speaker 5: so there's you know, long term, you don't know, but

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Speaker 5: you got to see what you got him coming back

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Speaker 5: off the ACL. He should be ready to go, I

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Speaker 5: would hope by the beginning of the season. So my

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Speaker 5: gut tells me that if they looked at tight end,

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Speaker 5: it might be a Day three thing. However, there are

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Speaker 5: gonna be possibilities in Day three, uh, to draft a

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Speaker 5: tight end that's got some really good ability because of

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Speaker 5: how good this class is overall.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's Senior Bowl chatter. Let's finish up with the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl. I think the Chiefs win. I think this

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Speaker 3: is Jordan with Pippin with Rodman coach by Phil Jackson

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Speaker 3: in ye, I think the Eagles will be the latest

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Speaker 3: to fall. Might make it close like the Suns did

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Speaker 3: in ninety three. Ish, might make it close, you know,

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Speaker 3: like somebody.

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Speaker 2: I don't know as did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just I just see Mahomes and them

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Speaker 3: pulling it off. I think they're just going to be

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Speaker 3: a little too much. And I think you got to

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Speaker 3: start thinking or saying, this could be the greatest dynasty

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Speaker 3: of all time. You know, it's up there with seventy Steelers,

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Speaker 3: the eighties, early nineties Niners.

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Speaker 2: I think you got it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's better than either of the the Patriots dynasties.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, that's what I say.

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Speaker 4: Andrew. You know, you know, you and I have talked

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Speaker 4: about this.

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Speaker 5: What the Chiefs, what the this is? How great I

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Speaker 5: think the Chiefs are. They demand that you, the opponent,

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Speaker 5: play the perfect game. They don't have to, but you

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Speaker 5: better because if you don't play the perfect game, you

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Speaker 5: give up a kick return to start the game that

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Speaker 5: turned it into three points, even though you didn't give

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Speaker 5: up a yard once they got the ball.

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Speaker 4: That's you know, they stole three points there in the.

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Speaker 5: Game against the Eagles two years of the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Against the Eagles two years ago, they they're down. I

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Speaker 5: can't remember if they were down three or seven. They're

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Speaker 5: down and the.

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Speaker 4: Eagles had the ball.

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Speaker 5: The Eagles got out a score and you know, take

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Speaker 5: a two score lead like who knows, but Jalen hurts fumbles,

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Speaker 5: and because Jalen hurts fumbles, Nick Bolton picks it up

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Speaker 5: takes it the house. Now, all of a sudden it's

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Speaker 5: a tie game, or it's back within three, or whatever

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Speaker 5: it was, it's not a two score game. No team

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Speaker 5: has been able to get to a two score lead

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Speaker 5: and hold it against the Chiefs. The forty nine Ers

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Speaker 5: got the closest back in nineteen, but they just couldn't

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Speaker 5: get anything going with Jimmy Garoppolo at quarterback. And the

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Speaker 5: fourth quarter is not a perfectly played fourth quarter for the.

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Speaker 4: Forty nine Ers.

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Speaker 5: You have to play the perfect game against the Chiefs

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Speaker 5: because if it's close, it's in your head, it's in

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Speaker 5: their head. In fifteen will go out and take it

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Speaker 5: away from you. He will find a way. And that

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Speaker 5: to me just I think Mark said it best earlier.

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Speaker 5: I feel Eagles, I want Eagles, but I can't bet

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Speaker 5: against the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I just can't. Just can't. I just can't do it

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Speaker 2: the way you mentioned it just a moment ago.

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Speaker 3: The they make you play perfectly, That's how That's how

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Speaker 3: I felt. When the Texans played the Patriots in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: Well we're gonna need this to break our way, and

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Speaker 3: this to break ourway, and this to break our away,

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Speaker 3: and that and that and that, and obviously didn't, but

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Speaker 3: I feel that way. But I still think this is

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Speaker 3: a better version than those Patriots teams. Final question, and

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Speaker 3: this is interactive. It's the three of us. You mean

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Speaker 3: you watching listen? What are you eating for the super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: We it's just our family the super Bowl, and so

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Speaker 3: we let the kids kind of decide what they want

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Speaker 3: to eat. They're gonna do wings this year. That's it's

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Speaker 3: like a we must have wings. So we have wings

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Speaker 3: and some dips and stuff.

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Speaker 2: What do you eat?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: It's funny. I haven't signed on my menu yet.

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Speaker 5: I usually i'll talk it over with Jack, my son, Jack,

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Speaker 5: and and we'll decide what we want to do.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know.

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Speaker 4: My my wife might be flying back from LA or not.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: She kind of she'll determine some of that because her

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Speaker 5: her food, her food things are she's very particular. I

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Speaker 5: love her, but there are some certain things, so like

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Speaker 5: its just me and Jack. We might get some barbecue.

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Speaker 5: I will definitely, I'll definitely make some something. I might

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Speaker 5: make my own case. So I might make uh fahitas,

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Speaker 5: might make some.

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Speaker 2: Case of dillas.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, we have we haven't quite decided.

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Speaker 5: I want to do like chips and finger food, some

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Speaker 5: of the things like on my phone I have on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Whenever I see recipes.

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Speaker 5: On Instagram, I just save them all and so I

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Speaker 5: often go through that and I kind of find some

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Speaker 5: that I like. So I might do some pretzel bites.

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Speaker 5: I've done my own pretzel bites and I do all

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Speaker 5: that homemade. So yeah, so I'm make my own biscuits

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Speaker 5: in the morning. I've I've got a good biscuits b

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Speaker 5: I like. So I might make some biscuits in the

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Speaker 5: morning and has some good breakfast sandwiches in the morning

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Speaker 5: and then kind of get us going the rest of

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Speaker 5: the day.

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Speaker 2: I love. I love cooking on Super Bowl Sunday. I

577
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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 5: I love just getting I have a TV kitchen, TV

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Speaker 5: in the kitchen, and I just start making stuff. I

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Speaker 5: just had a TV on and I've just kind of yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's just it's a fun day. But I'd rather I'd

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Speaker 5: rather one day be at the game. But I won't

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Speaker 5: go to the game until we're in it same same here, yep.

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Speaker 5: So Hey, that's what I'm cooking. That's what you're cooking.

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Speaker 5: What do you cooking?

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Speaker 3: Tell us let us know if you've made it this

587
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Speaker 3: far in this podcast, holler at us on Twitter at Doerty,

588
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 3: Drew at Jay Harris Football, and let us know because

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Speaker 3: we want to hear.

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Speaker 2: This is in the lab.

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Speaker 3: It's the three of us too. In this it's a tripod.

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Speaker 3: You have take one leg away from the tripod. The

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Speaker 3: tripod falls. So that's right, Thank you very much. This

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Speaker 3: is in the lab. Pres anybody. Infinity will be back

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Speaker 3: again very very soon. It's been good being back with you,

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Speaker 3: John and missing.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I miss you, Drew man. It's good to see brother.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we will do this again very soon. Bye bye

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