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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number three sixties

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Speaker 1: six and today I'm joined by the one and only

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Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto to discuss the aggressive scouting and hunting

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Speaker 1: tactics that have made him, in many people's eyes, one

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Speaker 1: of the very best deer hunters in the country. All Right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Onyx. Today, we've got a heck of a show

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Speaker 1: for you. This This is one that I've wanted to

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Speaker 1: do for years and years but couldn't because our guest,

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Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto, from from what I can see from

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Speaker 1: the outside at least, was not interested in doing any

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Speaker 1: kind of media or interviews or anything like this for

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Speaker 1: quite a time. Now I think, gosh, I think it's

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Speaker 1: been almost a decade, but that's changed, and for the

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Speaker 1: first time ever, we've got the lone wolf, Andrea to

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Speaker 1: Quisto here on the Wired Hunt Podcast. Now, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: a lot of you guys have heard of Andre. You

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Speaker 1: know about him, You've you've seen some of his stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you've listened to many of our podcasts over the years,

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Speaker 1: you definitely heard a lot of other folks mentioned him

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Speaker 1: as an influence. But if you're not familiar, here's the

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Speaker 1: really quick rundown. Andre founded Lone Wolf Tree Stands and

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Speaker 1: started the White Tail Addictions TV show back. I think

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Speaker 1: this was in the early two thousand period ish, and

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Speaker 1: during that time he made a name for himself with

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Speaker 1: his deer hunting success and tactics. On top of the

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Speaker 1: business kind of stuff. He he seemed to push the

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Speaker 1: limit more than almost anyone else back then, and he

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Speaker 1: was definitely one of the first well known hunters to

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Speaker 1: popularize this mobile aggressive style of deer hunting. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you've heard and I've talked about it, we've talked

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Speaker 1: about in the podcast, this thing called the bumping dump tactic,

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Speaker 1: for example, that's Andre's. He was also very aggressive with

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Speaker 1: his hunting goals, targeting and successfully killing very specific deer

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Speaker 1: and just the biggest of the big that was his thing. Um.

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Speaker 1: And again this is pretty early on and he was

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Speaker 1: doing this just consistently. At one point he even decided

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Speaker 1: to specifically go out find and kill the state record

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Speaker 1: typical buck in Wisconsin, and he ended up coming very

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Speaker 1: close to that. He killed the number two buck and

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Speaker 1: then I think I think it was the very next

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Speaker 1: year he replaced his number two with another number two.

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Speaker 1: So you know, this guy is he's on a different level.

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Speaker 1: He's just he's just doing something different than a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. Now. Eventually Andre decided to step away from

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Speaker 1: things a bit. He sold the company, he ended white

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Speaker 1: Tail Addictions, and kind of just stepped away from the

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Speaker 1: public scene. But Andre's back now. He's launched a new company,

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Speaker 1: it's called Lone Wolf Custom Gear, He's relaunched white Tail Addictions, uh,

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Speaker 1: and he's kept on targeting those top tier white tail

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Speaker 1: what's so unique about Andre, more than just his success,

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Speaker 1: who helped them jump to that next level, or who

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Speaker 1: is in their opinion, the very best out there. I've

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Speaker 1: think is the best deer hunter? You know, and they say, oh,

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Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto and those people saying that those are

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Speaker 1: guys who I think are the best of the best,

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Speaker 1: So that that tells me something. From the outside looking in,

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Speaker 1: culture that's picked up so much steam over the last decade.

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Speaker 1: And that's all to say. I'm excited. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to this one. This is a conversation I've wanted to

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Speaker 1: have and I'm glad we can share it with you guys. Now,

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Speaker 1: a few caveats before we get into it. First, I

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Speaker 1: do want to make it clear Andre is an experienced,

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Speaker 1: very goal oriented hunter. You're gonna hear when he talks here.

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Speaker 1: and hear how Andre quantifies his goals and talks about

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Speaker 1: If you want to kill the first dear you see, great.

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Speaker 1: and you're having a blast, more power to you. Same thing.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hold out for a three and

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Speaker 1: year old, hunt your own hunt. Don't feel pressured by

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Speaker 1: anybody else. Enjoy yourself, that is the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the whole experience. Enjoy the food, enjoy the landscape,

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Speaker 1: in mind as we listen this one. Secondly, there is

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Speaker 1: a decent amount of adult language in this episode, so

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Speaker 1: heads up, folks. We have tried to filter some of

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Speaker 1: that out, but there's still some in there. You have

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Speaker 1: had fair warning. Feel free to listen on if you're

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Speaker 1: okay with that, and if you are not okay with that,

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Speaker 1: just go ahead and get this one. Check back in

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Speaker 1: on our other episodes or the three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: episodes we have preceding this. Lots of good stuff there.

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure we all have got

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Speaker 1: that out of the way. So there we go. Qualifiers, caveats,

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Speaker 1: heads up, side of the way. If you want to

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Speaker 1: listen and learn from one of the most talented, focused,

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Speaker 1: alright now with me on the line is Andre Dquisto. Andre,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Glad to be here. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: I agree. I'm excited this is happening. You've been You've

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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited that now we can do it

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you making the time to do it. I'm

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Speaker 1: you know, Andre is probably the best deer hunter. I know,

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Speaker 1: Um and I know a lot of them, A lot

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Speaker 1: that deer that's going to that food plot, um, somewhere

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Speaker 1: you know. So it's see all scenario. You know, we

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Speaker 1: it's a good tool, um, but I've seen too many

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Speaker 1: whole season up. So um, A good example of once

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Speaker 1: a spot in Quincy only once, and I took a

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00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: friend of mine and we did some scouting and I

430
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: just to this christ. I had part of my friends.

431
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 1: But I went through a spot that I just thought

432
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: had it through it. I was like, and I just

433
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: walked him through it, and I watched him neandering through

434
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: looking at us. What do you think of the spot?

435
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: And he's looking up in the trees. Yeah, that sounds

436
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 1: like you can get a tree stand in here? Like

437
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: what is the having a good good a tree stand

438
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: here or a spot you know, being able to put

439
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: a stand in or having a decent spot for a

440
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: tree stand You happen to do it. Anything you're looking

441
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: for here, you look for the deer first, the tree

442
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: stands a tool. Uh. You read the sign and you

443
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: go hunt the spot and you apply when direction thermal

444
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: stands to that and you go after him. Um, you

445
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: made a statement about what I would do to go

446
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: after him. I know somebody another podcast mentioned that I

447
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: was talking to about me to somebody else and mentioned

448
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: a friend of mine that it was kind of a

449
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: little cocky and and he was kind of going to bathroom. No, No,

450
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: he's really not. And I said, what are you talking about.

451
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm as cocky as they get when it comes to

452
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: what I want to do. So I don't, man, I

453
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: have all the confidence in the world. I will not

454
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: be intimidated by just an animal. I've been in the

455
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: game enough time. Um. So that's part of it where

456
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: most guys are gonna have to get over. You're gonna

457
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: have to kill some caliber animals under your belt and

458
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: you comfortable. Otherwise you're gonna be shaking in your boots

459
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: when they come in or um. But I mean I

460
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: just like I said, I go after I go after

461
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: it a lot, a lot harder and more confident than

462
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: most most guys ever would so uh to the deer

463
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: that we were hunting in Wisconsin, I had to shut

464
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: to it the year before I came close to killing it.

465
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: Thank god I didn't. It would have been you know,

466
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Boone Crockett that year. But just at the last second

467
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: he throws up and just wouldn't step on a swamp,

468
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: found a shot to it, and then we were, you know,

469
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: had cameras out that was the old home cameras years ago,

470
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: and me and a buddy of mine went to Walgreens

471
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: and we were looking through the pictures and boom, there

472
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: he was. Right. I look over my friend and his

473
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: jaws dropped. I'm looking. We're looking around like it's just

474
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, somebody looking at they're gonna see this like

475
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: it was funny. But he's like, he's like Storry said, well,

476
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: and I'm just like ready to get the hill out

477
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: of and what are you gonna do? I don't know

478
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do, but I'm gonna swamp and killing

479
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: his buck. And I left and he just he didn't

480
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: know what to do, you know, so kind of an

481
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: experience hunter, but but a good guy. I went home

482
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: and it just I tore all my ship out through

483
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: it all on the freaking uh kitchen table, I started,

484
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: what what do I need here? What I absolutely do

485
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: not need. I'm gonna lighten the stuff started taking up

486
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: silence and everything. I was getting ready for the game

487
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: because the games felt to begin. Then I had some

488
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: brainstorm that I was gonna take a camera with me.

489
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: This is when we were doing the show and I

490
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: was gonna go into the swamp and hunt this down

491
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: and knee high muck. And I got in about two

492
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: days and I thought, Okay, this this ain't gonna happen.

493
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: This is a physical shift. So I needed that piece

494
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: of information that I always need. I need to know

495
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: where he betted. I know what he did last year.

496
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: I kind of got some history of this here. I

497
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: went into where I thought he was and I jumped

498
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: that sucker out of his bed and I backed out,

499
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: and I set up on that betting area and I

500
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: just waited um to pre rut where he showed up

501
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: last year on that field. And believe it or not,

502
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: that deer showed up the same freaking day. It did

503
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: because my brother was actually hunting that field and seeing

504
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: that deer um the first day I showed up and

505
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: it was running our our clover food plot there. So there,

506
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: I kind of had enough to know that I'm not

507
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: going to be able to go in there every day,

508
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: in and out. You know, with all the filmings, it's

509
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: a burden. You know. We lightened it up, we've made

510
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: it easier, but it's it's it's again, it's more weight,

511
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: it's more equipment. Um, so I basically uh took the

512
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: knowledge and new and and set up and it and

513
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: it all panned out and worked out. Um, he was

514
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: better right where he was before made the move, and

515
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: I was right there to put an air on him.

516
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: So UM, I've heard you say in the past that

517
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: you don't give a lot of value to year old

518
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: sign that you mostly just prefer like red hot fresh sign. Um.

519
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: But it sounds like maybe in some cases you do

520
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: look at some of the older stuff or I guess,

521
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: what do you find valuable from offseason scouting? What can

522
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: we pick up? What are you doing? So on that deer,

523
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: there was no age old sign. It was just the

524
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: history of that deer living on that property. But I

525
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: went and bumped him out of his bed a week

526
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: before I killed him. So that's pretty red hot that

527
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: he was living in there. And it's just seeing where

528
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: the buck was bettered. I mean, there's nothing all the

529
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: same capitiles, redbrush, no structural just that sweet spot that

530
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: that deer probably grew up in. A Funny thing too,

531
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: I was like the add this, I found a shed

532
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: after that deer was harvested, and just the chips in

533
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: the muck, And believe it or not, it was a

534
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: shed to that deer. I still got that in my

535
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: garage from two years earlier. I don't know if that

536
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: was kind of some weird omen or whatever, but so

537
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: that deer grew up on that property lived there. Um,

538
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: you gotta be on red hot signs. You know all

539
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: that information you got from last year that you know

540
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: it's um where rubs were made and all that stuff.

541
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: Stuff changes, and I've never, um, I've never been able

542
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: to sit confident spot that I didn't know, like what

543
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: was over the next hill or what I pictured that

544
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: deer sitting there. I picture him in his bed, and

545
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: I picture him. I wanted to get up and do

546
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. So it's like I said, I

547
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: think I come in the end of a totally different

548
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: um aspect, and a lot of guys do that. Just

549
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: will just sit there and all of a sudden, the

550
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: deer will show up. You know. Um, I'm actually thinking

551
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: this damn thing in You're wishing to found that trail

552
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: and put them into scenario that I've played in my

553
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: mind a million times and it's all coming together. It's um. Um,

554
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: it's just like sports. You know, you you're practice in

555
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: your mind that perfect volt or perfect lift or um,

556
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: you've you've been here, you've lived already and now it's

557
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: you know it's coming toolition. So um, So there's about

558
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: ten tho things I want to drill into a little

559
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: bit more on what you just mentioned. But but first,

560
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: if if the red hot sign is is the very

561
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: most important stuff, it's all that in season stuff. What

562
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: what are you doing like right now until opening day?

563
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: Is there is there something valuable that we can be

564
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: getting preseason? For me? That that's all I need to know, right.

565
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I know this, um, and I may statement

566
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: there's pieces of this property I haven't been on. Every

567
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: year we shout help, we go to spots that you know,

568
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: we just don't go into because it's just it doesn't

569
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense too. But I know this

570
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: piece of property and style, if a deer shows up,

571
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm basically all about inventory. So I gotta know that

572
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: that deer is there. And my biggest thing from all

573
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: the years is and what what cameras really did for

574
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: me is, um, I don't want to have to make

575
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: a last minute decision. Um. Every time I've ever had

576
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: to do that kind of screwed up. If it's a

577
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: deer I want to harvest. If I'm already committed to

578
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: that animal and I see him, man, there's a lot

579
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: better chance that deer's getting killed. And you know here

580
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: he's coming down a trail. He's at forty now he's produced.

581
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: He big enough. You know my should I shoot him? Should? I? Not?

582
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: Very very bad situation to be on. Um, it's it's

583
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: just you know, ripe with mistakes. So UM, I like

584
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: to do that inventory. No, they're there, and if that

585
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: deer's on this property, I mean, if I can't tie

586
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: into that deer in a season long, um, I think

587
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm not worth the salt. I'm made it. You know,

588
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: do you do you have a buck that you've got

589
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: your eyes on yet? Do you have the one picked out? Uh?

590
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: We found some chats. Hopefully he's back and if it's

591
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: invite one of those it feels back, it will be

592
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: it's a one or none season. Um. Yeah, I'll go

593
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: after him hard. I do have a pretty tough competitor

594
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: to go against. Um, which it will make things a

595
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: little more interesting. But UM, I'm not going to have

596
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: him back office or UM. If it's out there, you

597
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: know he's got the opportunity to get it, but yeah,

598
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be a deer that I would be

599
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: happy harveston and one that I love to play the

600
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: game with um and hopefully doesn't just roll over and

601
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: and and play debt on me. And he gives me

602
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: a run for my money this year, and I have

603
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: another good deal of memories to Yeah, I've heard that

604
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: you liked those deer that make you work for him

605
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: through a long period of ups and downs. I think

606
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: I think I remember hearing you talking about a buck

607
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: that was maybe your most memorable one took you just

608
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: through the wringer and had all sorts of mishaps. Then

609
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: when you finally killed them, it it means so much more, right,

610
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: is that? Is that stity case? So I'm looking at

611
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: that deer right now. It's in the living room and

612
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: it's a it's a hundred and fifty seven inch growth.

613
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be in that room. But that deer there, uh,

614
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: all of them probably gave me the biggest run for

615
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: my money. So um, yeah, it's I don't know if

616
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: it's I'm my mile's favorite, because she said I was

617
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: the worst, almost killed her in birth and and the

618
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: pain and agony she went through. There must be some

619
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: kind of psychotic freaking bond with that type of misery

620
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: that just um connects to the stuff so um that

621
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: that dear dude, I had tears in my eyes. It

622
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: was like the last freaking day I had the opportunity

623
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: I could not get my bull back. I had the

624
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: worst buck fever all that season built up, and I

625
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: was like, and everything I could do is get that

626
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: thing back. It was the ultimate ultimate high for a

627
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: bull hunt that I've experienced. So what what did that

628
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: buck teach you? Was there anything that after that season

629
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: and all those trials and tribulations, is there anything point

630
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: to like, Wow, I really came by all those challenges

631
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: now learning this thing, I don't know if I really

632
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: learned the last stitch effort where people talk about that

633
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: right on the edge of that wind. I know that

634
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: the setup that I set up the last final one

635
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: because I've seen him from distance come come out of

636
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: that area, and I knew it was gonna be a

637
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: tough wind deal and I had to play it on

638
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: the edge. He did come out, he started to win,

639
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: and he started even easing a little more of my

640
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: way to type, you know, to get as much as

641
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: he could, and if you just took one more step

642
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: you probably got he'd have got my sentiment gone. But

643
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: I just played that one to the tea. Um. But

644
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: like I said, he you know, he was running circles

645
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: around me the whole year. So I don't I don't

646
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: know if, but that was the thing that that that

647
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: got me that specific beer. So, UM, that wind setup

648
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: seems to be something that you've really fine tuned. Yeah,

649
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: and we can go into depth about all of that.

650
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: That's um. Yeah, it's the most important thing with with hunting, sun,

651
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: sund control of winds and things like that. So yeah,

652
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: I do want to break that down, but I want

653
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: to I want to first figure out one thing. Um,

654
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: this Buckey's mentioned you said that you were hunting all

655
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: the way through the season. I'm not sure exactly how

656
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: which part of the season it was, but I'm assuming

657
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: it was most of the year. Um. I've heard you

658
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: talk about that when you find a buck that you want,

659
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: you start hunting him on October one, on opening day,

660
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: and you stay on him. You just keep getting after

661
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: and getting after him. And and what I don't understand

662
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: is how you can do that without blowing them out

663
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: of there, without busting your chances. I'm always so worried

664
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: about you know, that's the thing. Everyone's so worried about that.

665
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: How do you manage that? Well? You? I mean, it's

666
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: experienced and it's you can't. So I've seen it enough

667
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: because I scalped. Dude, I've I scaled so much and

668
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 1: I take it right to the edge. I gets so

669
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: close to some of these big books that you take.

670
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: You take it a little too far. And dude, I've

671
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: literally had it where I've just poking around some some

672
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: thickets and cattails and red brusher. I think these things

673
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: that are being this whole mess and I I turned

674
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: on my left and here is this monster freaking stare

675
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: minutes who as we make eye contact, boomies over you

676
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: just all the time. Like I knew, I should have

677
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: stopped at that freaking tree that I picked out before.

678
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: I want to poke a little further and a little deeper.

679
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: And sometimes you just take it a little but you

680
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: you learn. And I'm gonna tell you right now, I

681
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: don't care. And you got guys can argue up in

682
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: your body. I've seen it so many times and done

683
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: it so many times. You are not gonna burn a

684
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: white tail out of his out of his home range.

685
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: They'll run circles around you, he'll sit tight, still dark,

686
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: or he'll know you're hunting, but um, you're not gonna

687
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: do it. And then you get the guys all the

688
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: time that to say, well, you know, and and and

689
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: they're right, they got small properties and things of that nature.

690
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: Um that they have to be a little more careful.

691
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: What so that's that's probably not a technique for a

692
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: guy that's got you know, ten acres a hunt or whatever.

693
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: But I had a pretty substantial lease down in Illinois

694
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: and used to have it to myself a lot of times.

695
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: And I swear to god, them deer would come out.

696
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: I see him come out of a a field edge, and

697
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: they'd be freaking looking around, like where is he gonna

698
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: where is he gonna come from from this time? That's

699
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: the kind of look that they had in their face.

700
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: And but if their range, uh and and you know

701
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: some of these bigger here, dominant deer, they're they're in

702
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: the king pin area. You can piss over their scrapes.

703
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna piss over you. They'll see where you're know

704
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: where you're sitting a standing, I'll come and a rip

705
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: and I treat that you're in there. They're sending you

706
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: a message, you're sutting down message and it's a it's

707
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: a it's an enjoying game. Man. You're getting me pumped

708
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: and want to get out there and look around now

709
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: again here, So I got work to do. Yeah, I

710
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: don't want to get you in trouble and get you

711
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: behind on orders or anything. So much of what you're

712
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: doing is is just getting aggressive with that scouting and

713
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: pinpointing exactly what they're doing, and then you're adjusting and

714
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: then search more than a just but what does that

715
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: look like just prior to the season. So I'm just

716
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: trying to like ease our way into October one and

717
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: opening day. What do you when does that scouting start?

718
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: It's it's totally different if it's a whole new property

719
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: that would have attacking or if it's the property since

720
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: the property I know inside now, right, So I just

721
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: need to know now my biggest thing right now, and

722
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: I haven't done it. I need to get more cameras

723
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: out and I need to get spread out more and

724
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: I need to get a glimpse that this deer is

725
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: back this year, and if he's back then from what

726
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: I know about him from last year, I know he

727
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: betted last year and his whole um, this whole scenario,

728
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't have to get as crazy as I I

729
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: would to go in, you know, aggressively. I've already learned

730
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: this piece of property. If this is a new piece

731
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: of property, I want to learn a piece of property

732
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: inside now, because I cannot stand, like I said, sitting

733
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: in a tree stand and not knowing what is over

734
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: that next hill and what's over the next hill there.

735
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: I got this this mind that just as mechanical, and

736
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: that I need to have all of that puzzle or

737
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: pieces to start putting together. So I don't go in.

738
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: You know, if you go go in a handful of

739
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: a piece of puzzle and I just in my mind,

740
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: it just won't work. So and the other thing I

741
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: say too was this, I look at things different than

742
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: other people. For you to just jump in and try

743
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: and do what I do if you don't know how

744
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: to read or um perceive, I'm going to the point

745
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: now where uh you know, they said, you know you

746
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: need to be reading that sign and get in there.

747
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: You need to be in the spot that signs will

748
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: be made next and ahead of that game, not like

749
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: one step behind. Um. So coming up all the way

750
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: reading sign, you know, I see a fresh track, I

751
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: get on it right away. It seems like me. If

752
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: you see something, you pounce on it right away. You

753
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: don't ever want to sit because in two days it

754
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: changes up. So if you're right there, right there, right there,

755
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: you're in your best scenario. Um. But imagine now being

756
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: able to know one enough that the seasons changing, the

757
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: crops are coming down, is a different stage of the rout.

758
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: You just start going and looking. You're gonna be where

759
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: that deer is gonna be making us next sign. You're

760
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: already step ahead of him. Um. And when you get

761
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: into that state of the game, I mean your your

762
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: chances go up. Um. Now, is that just experience that

763
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: gets you from the point where you're hunting, you know,

764
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: week goal sign to now predicting where sign is going

765
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: to be? Is that just time? It's just from years

766
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: and years of all. Like I said, I still enjoy

767
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: the to stay looking around, and I did it again

768
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: last year. There was one to hear during get killed

769
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: by a neighbor. But a couple of years ago where

770
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: I was doing on the fold of the front of mine.

771
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the stand, I know, and and it's like,

772
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, this is it's a phenomenal spot. It's usually

773
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: when I was spot it's like, man, it's just not happening.

774
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: I gotta get get down and just over the freak

775
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: just so I can talk about just over the hill,

776
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: there was a freaking party going on. There was a

777
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: doll and heating there, and that buckles in there chasing around.

778
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: I could almost shot that thing if I would have

779
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: been a good shot along just since I got shot

780
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: that thing on the ground, it was not leaving a

781
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: dolls tight. I tried to make a move to another

782
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: stand where they were going through, and they just got

783
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: around me. And it was like and I was sitting

784
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: for two days there in the in an excellent spot actually,

785
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: And you know, if I would have poked around a

786
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: little bit more than I um like I normally do,

787
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: I probably would have been over the hill sitting and

788
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: got my opportunity out of the stand. So it's just

789
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, when that changes, and then that dog goes

790
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: out of heat or whatever, he chases across the road

791
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: or and go some other doll and it's you know,

792
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see that buck for another who those

793
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: ones the late season, you know, so um, get out

794
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: why it's hot, staying at while it's hot, don't ever backpedal.

795
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: The biggest thing in UH tragedy ever seen is people

796
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: saying that they don't want to over hunt the stand

797
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: that it's they don't want to screw it up, or

798
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's the feel of fear

799
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: of failure. And I've failed so many fricking times at this.

800
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna sit and you're gonna worry about

801
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: bumping that deer, messing up And that's what we've all

802
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: been talked to d from all the articles, from all

803
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: the years, you know, leave the think where you do this,

804
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: do that, And I've just from experience learning it is

805
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: totally not that way. Um. And you know, some guys

806
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: could still argue with to this day. But I watched,

807
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, I I hunt betting areas. I'm seeing big

808
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: bucket sit down on their beds come out of here.

809
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: I'm watching, you know, groups of coyotes running them off

810
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: their betting areas and turn right around, coming back right

811
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: to the same bed. I'm watching, you know, myself bumping

812
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: them out and I'm going right back to the bed.

813
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: So I don't know where all that stuff came from,

814
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: but I believe everything my eyes tell me, and not

815
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: what anybody, um, you know, not what I hear anybody

816
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: else calls me. So yeah, that's the that's the tough

817
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: thing for so many people is everything they know is

818
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: from somebody else, at least until they have ten fifteen

819
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: years of their own experience to finally start pointing back

820
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: on you know. And you know, guys, are these guys

821
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: that we got on our crew, it's it's it's funny.

822
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: And I had guys to me, you know, Um, they

823
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: look at me to be a big serious hunter, and

824
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: I want you pay so much attention to what you know,

825
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I don't. I'm not. I'm not. I'm

826
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm not having it. Well, your little failures

827
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: or what you're doing and all little piece of information

828
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: that I can get and learn and I can maybe

829
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: tell you something, honor. Um, I'm not. You know, they

830
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: still think you can teach an old dog, you know,

831
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: new tricks, but um, my mind is just that way.

832
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I could never ever have enough information or piece of

833
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: the puzzle, or it's it's it's my it's a blessing,

834
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: I guess, and it's a curse. I'll tell you in

835
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: so Mac every night, all my best ideas come at

836
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: three in the morning. Um, I think about him. They

837
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: topped my head and I write them down. So it's

838
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: um and a deer or two of these deer. I'm thinking.

839
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: I literally a sitting I will sit here and think

840
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: about a a deer, a fawn that's on his property,

841
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: and just imagining if that's that's the one in five

842
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: years you're gonna be here, Is you're gonna make it

843
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: the kind OF's gonna get him? You know? Is he

844
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: gonna he'll he'll leave you know at two and a

845
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: half a couple of years, will you make it back?

846
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: Somebody kill him? And all these things that just you know,

847
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: you can't get that out of your head. Uh, it's

848
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: been just a it's it's I'd like to turn it

849
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: off if I could, for at least one minute, but

850
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: I can't. I got, I got there's a lot of

851
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: people listening right now that I feel a little bit

852
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: better knowing that they're not the only one going crazy.

853
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: For white tails sitting up late at night. It's it's

854
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: a bug, that's uh, the bug you get bit by

855
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: and you can never you can never get that first

856
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: high back man. You just keep chasing it and chasing it,

857
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: and um uh it's it's it's crazy. And I've seen

858
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: some guys is crazy and crazy as me and uh

859
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: getting back that too somebody. So everybody settles into what

860
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: works for him too. So I mean there's guys that

861
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: are successful, rattling guys successful calling I come from a big,

862
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: high pressured area. Um my success came from land Low.

863
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: And even though I'd have this kast and I messed

864
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: everything up and start all up, I'm in a spot

865
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: that's virgin, that hasn't been messed up. That I read

866
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: the sign and I'm capturing that a little moment of

867
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: time where you know, I'm gonna messed it up for

868
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: everybody else in the fricking forty but I'm on the

869
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: I will be on that that deer, and I mean

870
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: it's almost it got scary. After a while. I could

871
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: walk up and down the field edge, the big field

872
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: edge hunter in the in that bigger north country years

873
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: ago over the you'd have vast um timber land bordering

874
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: up against some dairy farms, so some of them deer

875
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: would come out that we'd shine late at night and

876
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: there'd be deery. Nobody ever killed. You never see you

877
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: can want to wear the hell is that, you know,

878
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: living you never see him on poles, but that they

879
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: could be coming from five miles back in the uh

880
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: Cedar swamps and coming to the milk or clover fields,

881
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: being in the middle of night, and so I have

882
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see a lot of that. But I

883
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: could walk up and down the field, read design and

884
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: almost be on a decent buck and be able to

885
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: kill it just about every second time, which you know,

886
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: I think that's some kind of knack that I got

887
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. Um, I can do

888
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: it now and and and it's weird. Even good friends

889
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: he used to think that I was lying to him.

890
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: I had a buddy that filled up in Illinois once

891
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: and I said, why the hell did you shoot that buck?

892
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: There's just monsters everywhere on here. And he said, well,

893
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: this is a decent bucket. I said, well, it's really

894
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: not for here. I says, well, I lost it in

895
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: the son. So I took it down. It was a

896
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: nice bucket, so he filled up early and I felt

897
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: sorry that you just have to burn a whole week

898
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: sitting there as well. Grab the camera and you can

899
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: follow me around. Then we went and scouted four new

900
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: sits on that property. I could have shot four different

901
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: bucks over one sixty and a. Uh. The last sit

902
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: on an evening post on a pond, I could have

903
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: shot a hundred and seventy four inch nine point. It

904
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: came by us, but the pond drink came by. It

905
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: went to full drawing at you videoed and he's like,

906
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: what the frick was wrong with that? I said, there's

907
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: a twelve point typical on his property. That's what I'm

908
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: here for, and that's what I want. And I know

909
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: it was one steventy four because the neighbor shot him

910
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: shockedun season uh and it scored that. So we were

911
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: in the camp too, and I was telling a few

912
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: other guys every day. I was coming in and standing

913
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: I seen this, and I seen enough that somebody got smart,

914
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: you know, and said, yeah, right, what do you see this?

915
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: What do you see today? Uh? You know this and

916
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: that as well? No, you know, four bucks over one

917
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: fifty and uh, and and this one here and he

918
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: put you put it in the whole BCR and in

919
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: the TV. And all the guys are looking with their

920
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: jaws dropped, nobody seeing nothing. Um. But they're sitting in

921
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: a stand at maybe an outfitter put up that was

922
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: set up for the rut um. You know, all this

923
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: going on all around them, and they're they're stuck in

924
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: one spot. And I'm not like that though, And I've

925
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: been like that from a little on. You know, you

926
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: you go out of aggressive, you it's honey, hunt them down,

927
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, it's not sitting there waiting from the kill

928
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: him Stoll. Yeah, I want to. I want to dissect

929
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: what you mean by hunting down like that? So can

930
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: you walk me through literally, Like, let's say you you

931
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: hunt somewhere October, first opening day, and you don't kill

932
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: your buck that night. When you say that, you're gonna

933
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: start scout like literally the next day, are you walking around?

934
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: Where do you walk around? What are you thinking about? Like?

935
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: Give me the exact details my metholical annihilation of a

936
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: property once you know, once you learn it, I do

937
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: a perimeter check, I read everything going out of there,

938
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: and then I can go in and dissect you inside

939
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: of it. I learned the property. If I already learned it,

940
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: and I have that and I'm hunting, I will be

941
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: in my post in the morning. I will sit and

942
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: and many of times I get down way too early

943
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: because I'm so anxious and wanting to go poke around

944
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: and look at look at news signs and work. I'm

945
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: back a little further so I'll be in my stand

946
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: when I get down in the morning. I'm fresh, I

947
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: haven't been sweated up, i haven't been at a restaurant.

948
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: All my clothes are clean. Everything. Now I get down

949
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: and I do some looking around, and then I picked

950
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: my next spot. I'll pick a spot maybe for a

951
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: that i'll actually hunt on a morning and evening. Um spot,

952
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: and then I'll hunt that, and I'll get down and

953
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: look around. It's a daily, daily grind. Unless you think

954
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: you got him pinned down and he's coming out of

955
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: a certain draw every day and it's a matter of

956
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: just tying into him, then you kind of leave it alone.

957
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: But you've gotta things are things change up, you know.

958
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: In October is a tough a tough time to hunt.

959
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: Things are touchy. Thence control is very, very difficult then,

960
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: and I just enjoy hunting. I'll set up on a

961
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: deer a bedded and I'll hear him coughing and hacking

962
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: in that bed, uh from us from before light. So

963
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: when I get down, and he never got up and

964
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: never moves out of it, and according to moon phase,

965
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: he probably wasn't gonna But I'm a hunter. I'm there.

966
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: You know, if a coyote bumped him, or for some

967
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: reason maybe he did decided to get up and spread

968
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: to make a move or wind change or whatever, I'm

969
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: gonna be there. I'm not just gonna not hunt it.

970
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: So um, like a wolf man, just get on it

971
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: and just keep keep on him and read the sign

972
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: and then and you'll you will be surprised. Uh, and

973
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: what you'll find when you you start poking around. The

974
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: grass sometimes is way greener on the other side of

975
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: the hill. So when you stay poking around, what do

976
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: you like? Are you just leaving your tree stand and

977
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: heading back towards the truck in their house in the

978
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: general direction and kind of looking here and there, or

979
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: are you saying, I know there's a betting year here,

980
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: I want to look at that that kind of thing. Yeah, So, um,

981
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: forget about going back. If you did go back and

982
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: get cleaned up. We do that once we find a

983
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: nice spotsile rights there. Or if you're working a buck

984
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: and you're trying to work him back, maybe he's coming

985
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: out a little too late, so you're gonna try and

986
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: get closer to bed, so you're gonna be Remember I

987
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: talked about going too far and then and then getting

988
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: a little too close. So you work your way back

989
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: in and you uh, maybe set up another stand. Then

990
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: you can go back the car, grab your stuff, read

991
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: set up that stand. Maybe climbing there in the morning,

992
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: are given an evening hunt and then and just keep

993
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: doing that. You're not going to look for a whole

994
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: another deer going to look for a whole another spots.

995
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: You're kind of year after that one deer and you're

996
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: trying to figure out on that at that time of year,

997
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do, where he's gonna be, and um,

998
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: and and just keep methodically going after him, you know,

999
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: and sometimes you got the spot where you don't need

1000
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: to you're you're in the right spot. It could be

1001
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: a matter of time with him getting up early enough

1002
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: and moving out. Perfect example that once is the last

1003
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: couple of days of the week of the season. Uh,

1004
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: friends of mine, I was hunting particular piece and the

1005
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: sign was there, the deer, a group of bucks is

1006
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: coming out awesome bottoms through this farm. Miland I had

1007
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: onto the golf course and their tracks were there every day,

1008
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: fresh coming through there, every day coming through a fresh

1009
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: And then he's like, what are you gonna do a

1010
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: burnier the rest of your week? Um, I got the

1011
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: best because the deer I want coming through here. I

1012
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: got a week left. What am I gonna go look

1013
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: for some other freaking deer in five days? And I

1014
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: held it out and held it out, and I killed

1015
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: one day for who knows our reasons. So people might

1016
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: have bumped them or whatever the hell. The deal was.

1017
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: They got up and they moved early and came through

1018
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: and I think that one was one sixty seven. It

1019
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: was a It was a nice bucket. I held him

1020
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: my hold to my my gun. So, um man, when

1021
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: you when you talk about, you know, moving in on

1022
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: this buck, you where he's not moving yet during daylight

1023
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: or not where you're at, so you're pushing a little farther.

1024
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: What is the sign that you're seeing that, Like, what's

1025
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: the threshold of sign that you have to pass to

1026
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: be okay, I need to set up here. Is it

1027
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: the first good rub or you have to have a

1028
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: a ton of fresh rubs? Like what makes you stop?

1029
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: So you'll see something? You'll go and you know there'll

1030
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: be mediocre signing around there, and all of a sudden

1031
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: you're you know you're you're getting in there and poke

1032
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: around and um, like last year there was a huge fresh,

1033
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: ripped up rubs already marketing deer markets territory. Often I uh,

1034
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: it was a buck that I didn't want to chase.

1035
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: But in science hindsight, the one I was after, I

1036
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: might have been running that same circuit when I dove

1037
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: in a little deeper. Um, I think it was a

1038
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: week later. I wish I would have dolved in a

1039
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: little deeper the first time I seen those rubs, because

1040
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: there was a rub line to this property, dude, besides

1041
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: your waist chest, that they had this empire interior just

1042
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: through all this uh major parts think just ripped ahead.

1043
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: I would I would have probably liked the gut on

1044
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: that a little earlier than I did. Um. Look, there's

1045
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that if you sat on the

1046
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: field edge you know, and that's going on like a

1047
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards in September, and you're sitting in

1048
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: there not do anything. Come out every night, and that

1049
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: deer's in there rubbing things and hanging back or doing

1050
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: whatever hell he's doing there. You know. So um, I'm

1051
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: telling you, you you get you look around, you're gonna see it.

1052
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: You look and you will find they are where they are.

1053
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: Just like fishing, I mean, what do you do? Just

1054
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: go beat the freaking water to a throp or start

1055
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: pumping shot into the fields hoping to hit a pheasant. Um,

1056
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: take a man, go find a fish, you know, pattern

1057
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: them and go after him, you know, and if they

1058
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: ain't biting, make them bite. Okay, mean so yeah, you

1059
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about the right way. I wanna

1060
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: I wanna process a perfect example how how aggressive a

1061
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: guy could get. So back in the day with everybody

1062
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: and your brother baiting everybody thought the big deer nocturnal,

1063
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: they don't come in. They don't come in because you're

1064
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: you're hunting over your bait. You're shooting everything that comes

1065
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: in there. I could literally go on a property. I

1066
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: can run the whole property, kick every freaking deer up

1067
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: on the property and go jump in the bait that

1068
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: deer was using in almost ninety per cent of time

1069
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: that deer would come in before dark. He got up

1070
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: off his ass, and he moved through his normal pattern

1071
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: circuit um. I'm doing one man drives on big deer.

1072
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm loading up with lots I'm doing. I'm doing some

1073
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: aggressive stuff that you know, in the hands of the

1074
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: wrong guy might you know, it might not work from

1075
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: But I've showed a few other guys to do this

1076
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: and they're, uh, don't be doing it while I'm on

1077
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: the same piece of property you're at. You know, I

1078
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: don't want to be the one freaking everything up and

1079
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: they capitalize on it. But yeah, yes, you know, I

1080
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: know a big part of of you know, dialing in

1081
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: these deer is figuring out where they're betting. What are

1082
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: you doing? Like, what's the next step to try to

1083
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: dial in exactly where they're betting, Because you know, I

1084
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: think a lot of hunters have a situation like this

1085
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: where they think, I think this buck is betting in

1086
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: this swamp somewhere. There's like a five acre air he's somewhere,

1087
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure he's betting in there. But I

1088
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: think with you you go more detail than that, right, Well,

1089
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: I do and I don't. So we have spots on

1090
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: here where there's uh and and I went and I

1091
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: walked at um walked at the shut hunting this year,

1092
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: Um that these bucks come out of this draw there.

1093
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: We know they're better just inside there, because that's I'll

1094
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: get up and they'll they'll come out. We didn't need

1095
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: to go in there and bump modity or know that,

1096
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: but we know that from experience. But now when I

1097
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: walked in there, actually for the first time I looked around,

1098
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: it's like, even if you wanted to go in there,

1099
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: these things are like freaking goats on the side of

1100
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: freaking cliffs and uh rock croppings that you're probably not

1101
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: gonna kill that buck right in that bed, but you

1102
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: can kill him in the corridor. And that's what my son,

1103
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: I think, like to do. He likes to get the

1104
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: corridors coming in and out of that uh uh that

1105
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: betting area where um again, I need that piece of information.

1106
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: It's like in my mind, if I see exactly where

1107
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: that buck is betting, and we had a piece um

1108
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin that there was there's three betting areas on

1109
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: this property. One right behind the kennels, a guy had

1110
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: a like ten dogs in there, and all the big

1111
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: bucks are better right up against his farmhouse right back

1112
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: at the kennels. There was one in the uh, the

1113
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: middle of the swamp that I could go off right

1114
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: in there any day, walk right for that tree and

1115
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: knocked that big bastard in off there. Um. And then

1116
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: it was the third one was kind of more open

1117
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: on hedgerows where you can see a long way coming.

1118
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: Those big bucks on that property are going to be

1119
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: in one of those, just from years experience. During one

1120
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: of those, when the weekend come around and there's another

1121
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: ten guys hunting the property, all of the bucks will

1122
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: just run right up against that freaking uh that kennel

1123
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: and sit till freaking pitch dark. And you know who

1124
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: was sitting off at that kennel with about forty yards

1125
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: and watching him get up when the dogs started freaking

1126
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: barking at how? It was me? And at one time

1127
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: I screwed up and learned I ended up actually dragging

1128
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: a deer out of there, and somebody wanted the guys

1129
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: followed that drag back and started nosing around here. Had

1130
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: I had to back off a little bit, so he

1131
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't find that that sweet spot. But um, those deer,

1132
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, they get accustomed to whatever the pressure is.

1133
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: And then um and I would so a little snaker.

1134
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: I would get there and do my scouting on hunting

1135
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: on a Thursday a couple of days before, and then

1136
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: I let those guys have all the scraps for the

1137
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: weekend once once I got had my way with it.

1138
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of different things you can do. Um,

1139
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: but you learn that stuff, and once you learn it,

1140
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: you don't I don't have to go there again. I

1141
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: could set up on you know, betting area be you

1142
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: know or um, you know when they pushed them up

1143
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: against the channels. Now there's nobody on the property and

1144
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: you're down maybe in that swamp or hanging down there,

1145
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: then they gotta go set up on a spot that's

1146
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: coming off there. So there's there's some things that other

1147
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: hunters out there that focus on. Betting area is a

1148
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: lot like to point to to help people like identify

1149
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: this is a buck betting area, this is a doughe

1150
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: betting area. Um, when you're out there, what are the

1151
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: things that help you differentiate? Is it simply a big

1152
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: rub and a big bed, or what is it that

1153
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: tells you, okay, this is a buck betting area, a

1154
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: big and I don't I hate that terminology buck betting

1155
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: area that just a million times a buck's betting areas

1156
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: where it's betting. It's going to be that new button monitor.

1157
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: It could be in my woods here. Um, during late season,

1158
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of an open hardwoods during gun season,

1159
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 1: big huge bucks. I can look at right off my

1160
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: my porch at a big draw that's there, and I'll

1161
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: watch these slobs just come right up in there in bed.

1162
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: They're safe from all the gun hunters. Um. It is

1163
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: where it is now. There's areas that once you find them,

1164
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: even if a deer is killed, it seems like the bigger,

1165
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: more mature deer they're they're there for a reason. Okay.

1166
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: So where it drives you not to try and think

1167
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: of why it is? Forget about why it is? Why

1168
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: is it every time I walk for this draw, I

1169
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: jump a huge buck. I mean a guy, you know

1170
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: you do it two or three times, four times? You

1171
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: know at some point in time you gotta get in

1172
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: your brain. Now, I don't to hunt this spot here

1173
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: can deer's always here, you know. Uh. And when you

1174
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: find those spots their gold, then you don't have to

1175
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: be Then you can set up on him, stay out

1176
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: of there and evening hunt, slide in there for only

1177
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: morning hunts and the winds right and you think that's

1178
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a good And you got a awesome and

1179
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of spots like that. You've got

1180
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: awesome spots to hunt all the time, you know. Um. Yeah,

1181
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: So going back to your your your betting area. If

1182
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: you've got a buck that you know is betting in

1183
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: like a five acre piece of that swamp, learn where

1184
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: he's coming and out of here. Go look at the tracks.

1185
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: He leaves big tracks behind, you know uh. And and

1186
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: to identify a box bed, obviously a buck is a

1187
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: big animal, leaves a big track, It leaves a big

1188
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: freaking turn behind and uh leaves a little sign of

1189
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: aggression and stick your freaking nose in one. If you

1190
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: want to smell a buck bed, they smell like get

1191
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: um and does smell sweet. Same thing with the urine,

1192
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's step pissing the freaking on the grass,

1193
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: take a whiff of it. You can tell a buck

1194
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: from a doll um. Yeah, yeah, I'm being serious that

1195
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: the dose well sweet, I could smell a freaking rutting

1196
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: buck from from a hunter yards away many And here's

1197
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: another thing that's funny. I I got two huge nose

1198
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: in my face, right, you know what it works? It's

1199
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: I joke about it. But I have a more sensitive

1200
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: smelling capability. I think that most people do. And my

1201
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: wife's like, why don't you you know you don't have

1202
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: that shirt's not dirty? You know, um, you don't need

1203
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: to wash it again. If if there's a shirt in

1204
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: my closet that's was not washed, I could sniff that

1205
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: some of uch. Honestly, as soon as I opened that

1206
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: tricking deal. And when I'm walking through the woods, I

1207
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: get senses of so if you can picture what a

1208
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: deer would to do it as nose, it's almost like

1209
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: walking into a fricking brick wall. That's how That's how

1210
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: good they can smell. Um. And you've got to get

1211
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: that in your head, um and learn that and then

1212
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: that that will help you a long ways. And this

1213
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: just chasing around, chasing around his white filter, that's a

1214
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: that's a major major um thing with his gears. That

1215
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: they're using them that nose their advantage all the time,

1216
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: and um when I learned to use it myself in

1217
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: my advantage. So so you you come on a buck

1218
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: or you come on a bed, and you you look

1219
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: at it. You see it's a big impression on the ground.

1220
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: You see there's some big turds. You take a whiff.

1221
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: It's got that bucky smell. What else do you do?

1222
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: I don't need to take the whip I got. I could,

1223
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: I could, I could see it's a bus bed already.

1224
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: So so that's the right now. I was just so

1225
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: we couldn't run him in a roald here we run

1226
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: to get inventory and stuff, and they're not hitting him

1227
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: this year for is good. And I'm telling my my buddy,

1228
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: I says, We've got this huge, huge buck bed right

1229
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: on the edge of the bean field in the grass,

1230
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: not even going back in Teptember, and he ain't a

1231
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: hundred yards from you know, your mineral and your corn

1232
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: filery to get a picture of him, and he's not

1233
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: even going over and not acknowledging it. So do you

1234
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: want to get a picture of him, You got to

1235
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,479
Speaker 1: take your camera and go slide over to where where

1236
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 1: he's better, or where he's feeding them beans. You gotta

1237
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: start changing up and moving around, you know, you gotta

1238
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: read that. So if a guy is accustomed to doing

1239
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: this scenario, the fine inmentory every year this periodes death

1240
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: not a failure because they're not for some reason going

1241
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: to them. I got a theory of why they're not

1242
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: this year, but um, I don't know if it's right

1243
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: or not. But um, well, we got extremely um high

1244
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: amount of coons again this year, and it seems like

1245
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: every time, and I know they don't they don't really

1246
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: bother them. I've actually seen big light they'll kill raccoons

1247
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: that come to Bates late season and stuff. But I

1248
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: think with all that chaos and all that pistons ship

1249
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: on there and there's so much food from now, they

1250
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: don't need to be visiting that they you know that

1251
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: they're seeing everything going to that mineral from where he's

1252
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: better right now. He's not that far away on the

1253
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 1: edge of the field. So um, it could have something

1254
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: to do with that, or maybe this year they don't

1255
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: need to the minerals as much as they normally does.

1256
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: So those things that I would love to know the

1257
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: answer to that, but I don't but I I think

1258
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: I know enough about the outskirts around it too to

1259
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: help me in my endeavors. Here so interesting dialing back

1260
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: on the bed situation, like what if it's in season,

1261
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: you find a bed, think it's a buck? Are you

1262
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: like some guys will sit in it and think through

1263
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: where am I to hang a stand right here? I

1264
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: think I've heard you say that on one of the

1265
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: old videos out there, like what are the things you're

1266
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: breaking down at that point? Is it? Okay? So at

1267
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: that time of year, I'm not really um looking for

1268
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: a bed per se that there's not a deer in it.

1269
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: I'll be going and if I bump a deer out

1270
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: of that bed, I'm looking for the spot. I don't

1271
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: know what bucks, and at that it might be a

1272
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: pound white till um. So I'm not like a lot

1273
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: of these guys I guess looking for uh if if

1274
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: you're asking me for guys coming up in the state

1275
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: that they're in, I'm getting to give a bunch of

1276
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: different answers of what they should be doing versus somebody

1277
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: who's onto where the deer's already betted or onto this buck.

1278
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: Um um. I'm not out looking for new you know

1279
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: new new buck. There's a new spots already know where

1280
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: the bucks better than I'm I'm going after him, you know.

1281
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of curious about both. Yeah, so both

1282
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: as far as on. So if you want to if

1283
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: you were going to find uh a buck's bed, then

1284
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: you think you just bumped them out of there, or

1285
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: you just think you're wander around and you came upon one.

1286
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, you know where one's at. Yeah, I'm wondering. Yeah,

1287
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 1: you know, most guys have the tools. I would think

1288
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: to see where that beds that look at the lay

1289
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: of the land and check out the wind and then

1290
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: figure out a spot to set a stand for when

1291
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: he's coming back. Correct. Okay, So so's what you might

1292
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: do is you might spend all the time and effort

1293
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: and do that, and you might end up with a

1294
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: buck that you don't want. Same with scrapes. You know,

1295
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: I could sit there's so many scrapes on. I can

1296
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: sit scrapes all day long. But what if the beard

1297
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: that you're after is not working at scrape? You want

1298
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: to go waste the day sitting on a scrape that's

1299
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: got maybe four one towards coming through that are working

1300
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: at that you know your bucks not even he's on that.

1301
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: So um, I guess I'm in a different state than

1302
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: we're where. I gotta know, like I said, I gotta

1303
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: have all the piece of information. I don't like to

1304
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: douche it wind um. And even these stands we've got,

1305
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: we've got phenomenal stands that are just they're in right

1306
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: spots and they'll light up for short and time or

1307
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: they'll be great. I cannot stand just going and jumping

1308
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: in one of those without looking at the sign there first.

1309
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: I'll be up in that tree and I'll be just

1310
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: like thinking to myself, is it not even hot here yet?

1311
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: Or it's you know, I mean it just it just

1312
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: drives me a while. I gotta go there and literally

1313
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: physically check the trails again and almost like checking traps um.

1314
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: And there's spots too that I have. I'm like that too.

1315
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: I'll go and I'll they get I'll check a primary

1316
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: scrape and I'll watch you. I'll get nicked up a

1317
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: little bit. They're gonna be some branches tooot up a

1318
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: little bit, and then I'll check it like four days later,

1319
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: and then the little knick ups a little more addressed

1320
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: of and then all of a sudden, I'll check it,

1321
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of days later, and some branches

1322
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: are broken off, and I'll come here one day in

1323
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: the sun of a bitch is just demolished. And then

1324
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: I learned on that spot because I was I would

1325
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: hunt that that area and I would not see ship

1326
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: until that tree got demolished. Then I learn it over

1327
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: the years, right, I dive in there and then big

1328
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: that big sun a bit should be up running, you know,

1329
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: daylight hours, just aggressive as hell, and it was the

1330
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: timing was right time to do it, you know. Uh.

1331
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: Over the years, I got a little more advanced. For

1332
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: now I could go sneak up to where he was

1333
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: held up. I call it a staging area um where

1334
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: that deer will hang out. He might get up before dark,

1335
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: but that was just they'll just hang out there and

1336
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: no spots you can find um us in grassy marshal areas.

1337
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: There'll be some worn out dead grass there. You can

1338
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: almost see like where two bucks might be sparring there,

1339
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: and they'll get up out of your beds and they'll

1340
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: stay there untill pitch dark and then move out. You know,

1341
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: if there's too much pressure, if you're on public or whatever. So,

1342
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: like I said, over time and over the years, as

1343
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: you you absorb all that stuff, you can. Um, it's

1344
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: just reads like it's almost written written on a sign

1345
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: there to me and and and some guys will just

1346
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: not not see it. I got some pretty advanced on

1347
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: her stood that I try and teach win the thermal stool,

1348
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: and they just just don't freaking get it, and they

1349
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: probably never will. I'm just for your say. So, UM,

1350
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: I know that back in the day, when it came

1351
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: to using trail cameras, you would just focused on using

1352
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: them for inventory during the summer. But I think you're

1353
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: using them more now recently, is that right? Like, how

1354
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: are you using cameras in season to help you fine

1355
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: tune this scouting portion to dial in? So you know

1356
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: that that scrape isn't just a couple and forties, it's

1357
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: it's the buck, right, It's I gotta say, I got

1358
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: I got a trail camera, soulf Um. It kind of

1359
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: is a really unfair advantage, Okay. So I explained the

1360
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: guys that years ago, everybody be in church, I'd be

1361
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: freaking in a swamp before the season up to my

1362
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: chest literally glassing huge Marsha's for a week before the season. Man, nobody,

1363
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, nobody did that. Nobody had to wear it

1364
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: all or the gump to do it. Now, a guy

1365
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: could go slap a camera and do all what I

1366
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: did all weeks of work and have it in in

1367
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: two minutes. Okay, so again it's a two I use it.

1368
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's a value boot tool. Um. But

1369
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: I got so frustrated with him that I just got

1370
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: piste off that us, Like why am I going through

1371
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: all this work and you know, half these cameras are

1372
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: scared and dear, I can't see what the hell is

1373
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: in the picture, And I'm like freaking, I wouldn't spend

1374
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money to do a camera because I

1375
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: got I got sick of wasted my time with him. Um,

1376
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: there was a deer on this property had the biggest

1377
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: white til track I've privacy seen and never got a

1378
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: glimpse of them, and and it was in the snow.

1379
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: It was a scrape, and I had set a camera.

1380
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: I've seen that track going through there, and I finally

1381
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: I went up and I've seen the track with through

1382
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: and I got I got this, I'm gonna see what

1383
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: the friakest thing has got in his head? Finally, you know,

1384
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: I think I got from the neck down. I got

1385
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: so freaking hot. I took that camera and just ripe

1386
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: pull it at the freaking blew in a million pieces,

1387
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm done with this ship. I don't

1388
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: know if the stick behind it sag or whatever the

1389
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: hell it was that I thought, I can't take it anymore.

1390
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: You know, this is painful. So um, if I'm going

1391
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: to use a piece of equipment, I wanted to work right,

1392
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: so um. But yeah, so it's a it's a great tool,

1393
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: but uh, you gotta be careful because um, you know,

1394
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: especially with a lot of cells and all that, you

1395
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: can get too much in there, too much human intervention,

1396
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: especially during the season. A deer and velvet as a

1397
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: different animal than a deer and hard horn. Um. A

1398
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: deer on a on a on a mineral or a

1399
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: bait site is a different animal than one that's kind

1400
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: of back in a wild and back in the game.

1401
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: Sol Um, you don't want to Oh, the one kid

1402
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: was set in his camera and and I think another

1403
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: guy was an interest that came and hunt your property

1404
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: more because this kid's up and down, checking his camera

1405
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: every freaking day up and now on the whole I mean,

1406
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: you're just you're leaving your scent in, You're you're you

1407
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: know the deer pattern. You know, you gotta be smart

1408
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: about it, and I'll put it on maybe, uh, plot watcher,

1409
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: get way back and watch the whole thing and stay

1410
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: away from that intimate spot that you need to do

1411
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: your ambush and know also, um, but I think it's

1412
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: a valuable tool. It really is. And it's like I said,

1413
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: it's it's it's as uh, it's as valuable as as

1414
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: their standing beans late season. I mean they're both you know,

1415
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: criminally freaking great to use, and um, they give you

1416
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 1: an advantage. Not that the daring got the big advantage

1417
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: over here to start with, right, Yes, they have got

1418
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: the thing that the leg up on us in most cases.

1419
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: But with these cameras, do you kind of sent them

1420
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: in some low impact places and let them just be

1421
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: there all year, or do you move them throughout the

1422
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: season and get zeroed in closer and closer to where

1423
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: you think a buck is and kind of close in

1424
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: on a buck in a way. So we said them

1425
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: on a lot of scrapes now during during the season.

1426
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: And then areas where the scrapes have from a distance

1427
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: kind of away where deerill funnel through. Um, so if

1428
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: something comes through there, even you get anything that hits

1429
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: the scrape and you get a whole area of deer

1430
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: moving through that area. I used them all last year.

1431
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: It did not have any problems. You can watch my show.

1432
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: It just aired the other day, and I think they'll

1433
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: show you some video of whitetail on these scrapes during

1434
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: the season that are phenomenal. Cody literally he used cameras

1435
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: to chase the big buck down last year and he didn't.

1436
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: He didn't get the deer, but dude, he got onto

1437
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: it or close to it like seven different times, which

1438
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm good enough to get

1439
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: onto a big deer that many times. Normally I'm like,

1440
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: if I'm pushing up, I got an opportunity or or

1441
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: close the third time to figure something out and beat there.

1442
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm lucky as hell. So um And he even

1443
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: actually said the deer that I shot he had on

1444
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: camera said before I saw said that I think that

1445
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: damn deer left the side of the the road. Now he's

1446
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: on he's on the other side in that morning, I

1447
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: see I think you're right. I think he went on

1448
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: my side road and he came through the drawers and

1449
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: he's done. So look, but we got some things we

1450
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: did do that these who walks, you're gonna see world

1451
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: class deer looking into that camera and not even you

1452
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: know they know something's there. I mean I kind of hide. Um,

1453
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: but it's it's not bothering them. Um, and it's it's

1454
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty good deal to be able to have

1455
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: that where a lot of the other ones I had

1456
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: to look at that thing and run people on video mode.

1457
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: You can watch them with their asses in the air,

1458
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: in their tails is freaking hidden to the to the hill.

1459
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 1: So um, you just gotta be careful. You know what

1460
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: it is? Common sense? You know, a guy start using

1461
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: a little more. Um. My teacher told me you're not

1462
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: the brightest stuff, Bulgary says. But I think someone puts

1463
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: you in line ten different times for common sense. You've

1464
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: got more common sense in this whole class combined. So um.

1465
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's again just the way

1466
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: my mind works in that area. Um, but get me

1467
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: to spell something or a dual arithmetic. I'm I'm just

1468
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: kind of lost brother. We've all got our things. Um,

1469
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: so here's what I'm still one of the things I

1470
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: keep on wondering about. You've got You've got these cameras

1471
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: on scrapes. You are out there poking around, scouting sometimes daily.

1472
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: It sounds like going out there looking, searching, moving in.

1473
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: How do you do that in not push that deer

1474
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: to be more nocturnal, or how do you not push

1475
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: that deer to be doing a different thing tomorrow because

1476
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: you walk through today at that time of that year.

1477
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, they don't give a

1478
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: ship if you're a human. What's going on that deer?

1479
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: Um a lot of times does not give a ship.

1480
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: But you're doing what your he's concentrated on dolls, going

1481
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: on the heat and following them. And when you when

1482
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: you read that sign that that happens when um, when

1483
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, uh, you'll have a trail coming

1484
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: up across the ridge or something and it's got huge, polished,

1485
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: freaking red, hot, freaking rubs. That's a dog going on

1486
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: the heat and she's got four days before she'll be bread.

1487
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: When you see that sign, you get on that and

1488
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: you get on it right away and that dear don't

1489
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: give a ship even if you're there, he's gonna still

1490
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: go up that dropt all that does no matter what,

1491
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: Like I told you, if I could have, if I

1492
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: could have ranged or knew the range that was at

1493
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: our had ability to shoot that deer. I think that

1494
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: there was a forty five yards that deer was standing

1495
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: in open fields staring at me, and I was watching

1496
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: that doll right on the edge of the woods standing there.

1497
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: He wasn't leaving that doll side. He didn't give a shift.

1498
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: I was standing there staring at him. If I could

1499
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: have took a pulp and hit that there, I could

1500
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: killed him off the ground probably, But um, that's the

1501
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: killable deer. That deer earlier in the year. Man, you

1502
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: got a tip toe around or you know, make sure

1503
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: you don't get too aggressive in this spot and that

1504
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: stuff that he's playing the game. He knows gen areas

1505
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: doesn't run circles around this though. Yeah, it was a

1506
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: winning rome. You know, take that season. You know you

1507
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: kinda don't bust in like a freaking bull or trying

1508
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: to cabin start what you can stay for distance field

1509
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: edge hunt. Look, you know then as it gets an October,

1510
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: it gets tougher. The only time. And I've had a

1511
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: whole season where I talked to guys that were did

1512
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: other shows. All their guys were not seeing ship. It

1513
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: went dead in October big time that year. And I

1514
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: was seeing freaking nice, mature deer every freaking day. The

1515
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: difference was I was shrick and crawling right up their

1516
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: asses and right in the beds with them, and they

1517
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: weren't going out of the bedding areas. They would get

1518
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: up mid twenty yards around a little bit, eat a

1519
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: little bit, PLoP back down. They were stand put there

1520
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: And if you weren't there, you could be forty fifty

1521
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: yards away and you were out of the game. Man.

1522
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: And those guys are all hunting, you know, probably there

1523
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,879
Speaker 1: are normal spots or funnels or whatever, and they didn't

1524
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: miss the whole boat, you know. So so you're you're

1525
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: taking a little bit easier in the early season. But

1526
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: once you're getting some point oc told where you start

1527
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: pushing in those betting areas. I think I saw somewhere

1528
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: that well, isn't it kind of like when you can

1529
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: get aggressive is when that gets towards that that's a

1530
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: little pre rug when them, those are, you know, getting

1531
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: close to coming in and then there's competition. Um man,

1532
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: I had deer that would get done one of me

1533
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: and smell me and just beat the frick out of

1534
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: a tree that knew it was me after them, and

1535
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: just send them a sign like you know, you're in

1536
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: my house now, you know. And and I guess maybe

1537
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: a lot of guys aren't experienced that because you're not hunting.

1538
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: Maybe that caliber or that dominant deer in here, I don't,

1539
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you're um if you're just

1540
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: sitting in the woods hoping at a bucket come by,

1541
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean I would think they'd be pretty easy to

1542
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: capitalize on that, you know. Yeah, So so what about

1543
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: like you're doing this, you're aggressively pushing in there finding him.

1544
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 1: Do you ever is there ever situation where you say, oh,

1545
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta back out of here and

1546
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: give it time, or no, it's time to give up

1547
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 1: on this deer or do you just search and search, pushing,

1548
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: push and push. I never give up on the deer. Um.

1549
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: And again, you know, with my mentality, I don't I'll

1550
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: bump a deer. I don't mind bumping a deer. I

1551
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: think I learned that too from a property I had

1552
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: that was so overrun with deer you could not get

1553
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: to your stand or walk anywhere without jumping deer. Um,

1554
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: go to your scouting spot, don't worry about everything else

1555
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 1: around you, concentrate on you know, the job at hand.

1556
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: Go after that deer and be concerned about that and

1557
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: not like everything else. Um. Now, obviously you don't want

1558
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: to be running through your entire property with a bike

1559
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: and blowing everything out everywhere and just getting um um

1560
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: everything chaotic. Then you know, then you got a bunch

1561
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: of eyes and ears. Uh so on the ambush, you know,

1562
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: the weigh in the way out. Once you pick your spot,

1563
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: get in there, hunted, and get out and you'll define.

1564
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: Just think about how many I said done another I

1565
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: think a little podcast about guys. Think of how many

1566
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: trees that dead deer goes by and on a daily

1567
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: basis that you could have a tree standing and and

1568
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: and I think to myself, you can't pick one of them.

1569
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: That all those woods out there, there's something freaking wrong. Um,

1570
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: you might be on the right tree, but the deer

1571
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: might be coming an hour after dark. About going by

1572
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: that one or um, you know what I mean, it's

1573
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: or maybe you fiddling around your stand freaking you know,

1574
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: texting or whatever the hell you're doing a deer spot,

1575
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, glare your noise or um. I did do

1576
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: a check up on a buddy ones, but I put

1577
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: him in on a spot that was stole red hot.

1578
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: He just wanted to fill a dough teg and he

1579
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: he wasn't seeing a dear I should there's absolutely a layer.

1580
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: I said, There's no way you cannot see a deer

1581
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: in here. There's thunders of them. You're sitting on a

1582
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: freaking bait. Um. So I went and glass this guy

1583
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: from from a distance away. I'm like, get the standing up,

1584
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: turn around, looking around. I mean, look a freak are you?

1585
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: And then so I'm watching him. I'm doing that right

1586
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: then I'm watching way out in the march, a whole

1587
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: group of goose all standing there like me, watching him

1588
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: doing the same ship. And I'm like, son, I'm a

1589
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: bit this is this is a comical. Somebody should have

1590
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: this on video. You know, it's funny though, but I

1591
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: mean it's sad, but it's funny. So is that what's

1592
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: going on in the in the guy's woods. I don't know,

1593
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: but look at some of these other guys. Look at

1594
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: the talent that's out there now that I've learned, um,

1595
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: and I've seen these guys grow and man, they're killing

1596
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: freaking machines. Now they've they've all of a sudden that

1597
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. What is that you

1598
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: asked me about? That aha moment when that lightbulb comes

1599
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: off that and I can't put my finger on it,

1600
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: but it's uh, um, Apparently the light bulb goes off

1601
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: for a lot of guys. And once they figure it

1602
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: out there, you know they're getting it done. And and

1603
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: here's another thing. So we got this new page two,

1604
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: and I'm really worried about what's great as all of

1605
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: these guys are opening up, the new guys coming up,

1606
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: and the last thing I want. I mean, it is

1607
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: intimidating to be around the guy shooting the calibrator. They're

1608
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: killing consistently. None of them guys started off killing Big Garrett.

1609
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 1: They were all freaking right where everybody is starting out today.

1610
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: And I would think that somebody and I know what

1611
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: I was talking that and shows and my generations, who

1612
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't think we're that smart of a generation to

1613
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: tell your truth. And I always like gave a little

1614
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: stab at the next generation. They're kind of post season there,

1615
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, but they're pretty educated, smart freaking kids, and

1616
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: that when I when I talked to that shows a

1617
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: lot of these guys had come and sense and they

1618
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: got it. And years ago I talked to guys the

1619
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: same way and they just wouldn't get it. So I

1620
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: think there's they got what it takes. Maybe they learned

1621
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of tip pure and there, and then

1622
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: they perfect that, uh their style to their own. And

1623
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: they're saying, man, if somebody's you know, somebody's slaying big

1624
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: so um. You know, it's it's funny you you mentioned that,

1625
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: and and I was kind of thinking about this myself,

1626
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: trying to think about, you know, what I've seen and

1627
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: heard about you doing, and then what I've seen and

1628
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: heard about other guys doing that that have hunted with

1629
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: you or learned from you, and trying to figure out

1630
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: what's one of the what are the consistent things here?

1631
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: And one of the things I think maybe underlies everything

1632
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: is something you mentioned just a little while ago, which

1633
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 1: is getting rid of that feel of fear of failure.

1634
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: Once you get past that worry about Oh I'm unscrewed up,

1635
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: and you just start going for it. That seems to

1636
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: be something that you've got. And Justin Hollinsworth God, and

1637
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: Adam Hayes has got and whoever um that can more

1638
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: a more Mason cold type of hunter. He's a strategic,

1639
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: sit back and watch tool. He'll he'll do a little

1640
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: more observing. He's a he's a different type of guy.

1641
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: But don't don't get me wrong. When he sees he

1642
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 1: sees the opportunity, he gets right in there and gets

1643
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: it done. But um, so that's a different style. And

1644
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: Justin again, he's he's kind of been like right right

1645
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: to me. He's he he's as aggressive as he get

1646
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: now too. Um But yeah, everybody gets in that little

1647
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: um minds are a little niche and takes that. I'm

1648
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: gonna tell you that. The big thing though, what all

1649
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,839
Speaker 1: of these guys got in in common. There's nobody anymore

1650
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: parks their ass in a stand for the entire season

1651
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: and just worries about over hunting it and not hunting it.

1652
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: These guys get their equipment and they go after it.

1653
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: And like I said, if if you've seen what I've seen,

1654
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: where you couldn't burn a white tail out of his

1655
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: habitat That's all you're doing is messing that thing up

1656
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: for day. And now you messed that spot up in

1657
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: that area. So back up a little bit. Um. You'll

1658
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: see a video that I had one one May that

1659
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: I I shot and actually hit a deer. Um. And

1660
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: because of the time of the year was I know

1661
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 1: he'd be coming through working in scrapes. Again, I changed

1662
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: my stand up literally not more than twenty five yards.

1663
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 1: That's some of us. Came through again, looked up in

1664
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: that stand nobody's there, came through again, and I just

1665
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: killed a bastard. Um, he does you know what I mean,

1666
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna do what he's doing. I know what he's doing. Um,

1667
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: I'm not going away. Um. So yeah, I think uh

1668
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: the aggression. Like I said, I think my son's got

1669
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: that tim fold, he's he's got even a little more so.

1670
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: And some of these other guys that you said justin

1671
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 1: and through the just watch all these addiction shows watching

1672
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 1: some of these guys, do look at heath talk about

1673
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: a stealthy, freaking move, slipping in the back door man

1674
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: checking it out and setting up just that is what

1675
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: I call is surgically removed the white tail from the

1676
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 1: face of the earth man. It was all nothing left

1677
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: about it. Everything skill a hunter going with his tools

1678
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: and equipment and and and taking down a pretty impressive,

1679
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: pretty smart animals too. I would think, you know, yeah, yeah,

1680
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: that was a slick move when he put when I

1681
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: think you're talking about when he went in times when

1682
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 1: he thought that buck was going to leave his bed

1683
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 1: in the afternoon and then snuck in there behind him.

1684
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: That was that was impressive. Um. If we're talking about

1685
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: this aggressive stuff, though, we have to get into the

1686
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: details of what a lot of people think of as

1687
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: the most aggressive tactic, which you've I think popular eyes

1688
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 1: and people kind of look to you as the one

1689
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: who kind of first started doing this thing, which of

1690
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: course is the bumping dump. Um, you've talked about bumping

1691
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: a buck. We've talked about a couple different things that

1692
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: you're thinking about when you bump a buck. But tell

1693
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: me about the situation where you bump him and then

1694
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: you're saying, all right, now I'm gonna set up to

1695
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: to hunt him. How do you pull off the dump

1696
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 1: part after the bumping? Okay, So I don't think it

1697
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: sounds like an aggressive move, But to scout out an

1698
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: area and jump with your out his bed, I don't

1699
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: think that's a real really aggressive on that on that

1700
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: on anyhow, So I'll just put that out there. So, Um,

1701
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: that deer got bumped out of there. I almost think

1702
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: that I mentioned this before that it almost shows up

1703
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: that that deer got bumped, he got out of there

1704
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: without getting um, you know, hurt or taken, and he's

1705
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: it shows up that that that piece that he has

1706
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: figured out her bed works for him. So the deer

1707
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,719
Speaker 1: feels better about that bed now because it just proved

1708
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: to him that the dude, the reason those deer are

1709
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 1: where they are is because you cannot get the one

1710
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: up them. And I'm not talking to you as a person.

1711
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm talking about um. Perfect example. There's you can watch

1712
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: the firebuck should where dogs literally farm dogs all running

1713
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: deer all over there all the time. Ran that buck

1714
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: out of that bed and that's not a bit. Came

1715
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: right back to that same bed the next day to

1716
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: bed nett Okay, Um, if that was a person to

1717
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: be the same ship, you bumped me out of my bed,

1718
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: I got away, I'm coming back. This is a perfect

1719
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: spot for me. Who knows. Maybe those those dogs are

1720
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: chasing that deer for three days in a row, and

1721
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: he's and he's he sees them coming before they see

1722
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: where he's at. They dumped down a little bit low

1723
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: out of his sight. He bugs out of there, and

1724
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: then they chase the round some more. But it's a um.

1725
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 1: It's a great spot. It works for a deer, and

1726
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: I think that's why those big deer are there. Now

1727
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: Here's where it comes h There are beds that are

1728
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: good on knobs for all different wind directions where a

1729
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: deer can enter um and set up, and there are

1730
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: other spots that are only good for certain win directions.

1731
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna do a bump and do the

1732
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: dump the next morning, I like to pay attention if

1733
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the same wind for that. So if

1734
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm scouting around, I jump a deer, I make a

1735
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: note that, Okay, it's the southwest wind today. If it's

1736
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 1: gonna be north west tomorrow or an east, I'm thinking

1737
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: maybe that there might not be on that spot. He

1738
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: might be on Spot B or something. You know. So UM,

1739
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: you can take an account that that deer preferred to

1740
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: UM bed certain areas in certain certain wind conditions and

1741
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: then you get in there, you've done your damage, right,

1742
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 1: get screwed up all you're here where it gets aggressive. Okay,

1743
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: the tuneing for a buck, I literally was in there.

1744
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: You talked about sent in an area, cut down, trimmed

1745
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: down trees for two hours to freaking set up this.

1746
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 1: You know, uh honey, locust blood from my freaking hands

1747
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: all over the tree and everything. UM. I don't know

1748
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: if I would have waited two days. If that they

1749
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 1: would have came in the next day and maybe you know,

1750
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: after getting up out of his bed then poking a

1751
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: little bit more would have sense some major ship going

1752
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: on and not coming back to that or um. But

1753
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: I was there the next morning from to grow right

1754
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: back in his bed and got it done, so I

1755
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: would like, I like to do that, get out of quick.

1756
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: And then once I learned that spot, dude, I got

1757
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: that stand already pre set, so you know, after a

1758
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: good rain or it's the wind directions right, oh man.

1759
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: It's it's so nice to be able to have a

1760
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: phenomenal spot for the morning to slide into and hunt

1761
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: instead of you know, a questionable um spot that you're

1762
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: heading in the morning. You know, because you know, I

1763
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: don't know if it's for you. But aren't morning spots

1764
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: the toughest ones for most hunters to find? For sure?

1765
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: A good morning spot definitely seems like it, and I

1766
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 1: would agree it's easy to get on the field. You

1767
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: can watch stuff coming out or when things get up

1768
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: and go to you know, through feeding, But um, the

1769
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 1: time of deer coming back or to get into that.

1770
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: A lot of times they'll be in there before you

1771
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: get in there, or you'll miss that boat. So how

1772
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: often is the bumping dump for you something you actually

1773
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: proactively go in there to do that. I know there's

1774
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: some one situation where you're scouting scouting scouting and you

1775
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: accidentally bump him and then you say, okay, I'm gonna

1776
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: make the best of the situation set up. But then

1777
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: the other is when you are thinking to yourself, all right,

1778
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 1: today I'm finding the dam buck. I'm gonna scout until

1779
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 1: I bump him, Like, is that a thing you do

1780
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 1: or is it usually the ladder? I'll do both of them.

1781
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: I'll do if if I don't know where that buck,

1782
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 1: is that better? Or if I'm scouting a new a

1783
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: lot of these deer that um, I didn't particularly going

1784
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: for that buck to bed that to bump the actual

1785
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: twenty for a buck. I was doing scouting to go

1786
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: hunt Frohm and jump him out of his bed to

1787
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: learn where he was actually at that. I think I

1788
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: don't know. For me, probably the most important piece of

1789
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: information of bulk hunter could have is um, knowing where

1790
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: dear beds, and then uh take into account. I don't know.

1791
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: People talked about the spokes on a wheel, Um, how

1792
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: close you can get to that to see if you've

1793
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: heard about the three days cycle, there on a three

1794
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: day cycle that you know, every third day, maybe I'll

1795
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: see that buck come through. I've heard some things like that.

1796
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: Is that something you've seen to be true? Well that

1797
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: was big years ago. Yeah, there there is. There's a

1798
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: three day cycle off the hubble that wheel, but there's

1799
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: a one day cycle if you're freaking in close enough

1800
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: and tight enough where he's betted, you're gonna see that

1801
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: dear just about every freaking day coming out of there,

1802
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: if you're off on that tangent. And today he decides

1803
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: to go run this side of the farm to look

1804
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: for some goals, and then tomorrow he runs off the

1805
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 1: total opposite side of the farm. Uh. Yeah, and it's

1806
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: three days before he gets back to that same one.

1807
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: You're sitting there, sitting there, sitting there, and all of

1808
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, third day there he was again. There's a

1809
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: spot in there that's an everyday cycle. Um. That's where

1810
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of honing in on and trying to get

1811
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: closest to um. Dude, there's nothing more empowering about sitting

1812
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: in a tree stand and watching a slob just get

1813
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: right up out of his bed and uh and not

1814
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: even have a clue you're freaking there. It's it's uh, um,

1815
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty phenomenal. And there's it's fun to watch them

1816
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 1: crawl back into their beds and see what they do

1817
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: it too. Um and a lot of guys doing that too.

1818
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: But all these bucks that crawl back into their beds

1819
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: and dead up in initially in the morning, they seem

1820
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: to be always you want to stick around a little

1821
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 1: longer because they always seem to get up and read

1822
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: situated or reposition a little bit um a little later too.

1823
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: So uh. And that's what I count out in that

1824
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: October is they're they're in there, They're in the bedding area.

1825
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: They're really not on a move. But they are up

1826
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: and doing a little bit of movement. You know, something

1827
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 1: could get them um clost enough. I don't know how

1828
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: many times I've climbed out of trees a huge buck

1829
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: better within fifty yards of me, and they even have

1830
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: a freaking clue. I was even there and just got

1831
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 1: the hell out, you know. So, so we gotta break

1832
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: down how you actually choose them the spot to set up,

1833
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: so you bump the buck out of there. You saw

1834
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: him run off, and let me take one step back.

1835
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm assuming when you go into purposefully bump a deer

1836
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: that you're doing this with the wind in your face.

1837
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: So the wind's got tell me if I'm wrong? Is

1838
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: that true or not? So I really don't have because

1839
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 1: the train you can't keep I'm saying what you know,

1840
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: people talking about the way, dear move. You can't keep

1841
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,600
Speaker 1: the women your face the whole time and get to it.

1842
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: You go through methodically. You gotta pay attention to most

1843
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: of us when we go scout, our eyes are pin

1844
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: to the ground looking for tracks, and you gotta get

1845
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: accustomed to being able to do a little of that.

1846
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: But you gotta you've gotta be looking up and getting

1847
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: a glimpse of that the worst thing in the world.

1848
01:28:58,439 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: I I hate it when I jump a deer and

1849
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: I don't get a glimpse of is rack. I mean,

1850
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: I hear big cage smashing through and I don't I

1851
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 1: don't know which one it was or if you know,

1852
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: I didn't get a good enough look at it. Um

1853
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: So you gotta custom yourself to it a little bit.

1854
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: But you're never gonna be able to just constantly do

1855
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: the old wind in the face and uh, just cover

1856
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: a lot of ground where you think that deer might

1857
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: be better. You're you're scouting, You're poking around. Now all

1858
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden you bump them off a flat, right, Okay,

1859
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: it's a big flat there. He is better on that flat. Now,

1860
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: you just you got that bed. If he comes back

1861
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: to that bed, you gotta be able to shoot. I

1862
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 1: like to some of the people picked up the spot

1863
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: that they scout a little bit coming into that, like Cody.

1864
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: I want to be able to pick that spot, but

1865
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: still want to be able to hit that. The same

1866
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,799
Speaker 1: with scrapes. You know, people set up down wint the scrapes.

1867
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: When I used to do that. I read the articles

1868
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: years ago or heard it, we're talking about it. I

1869
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 1: would sit down with the scrapes and I watched a

1870
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: buck coming from the totopos the way I worked with

1871
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 1: scrape and leave without me able to get in their

1872
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 1: own it. So I want to be able to shoot

1873
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: the scrape and I want to be able to shoot

1874
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: the bed. So, uh when direction you know, you know

1875
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be. Next day, you're in there. Now

1876
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: he's out of there, you can set up your stand

1877
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 1: and you can slide in. Um, you can get in

1878
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 1: there the next morning and be and be set and

1879
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 1: be in for a good good night. So you're down

1880
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 1: wind of the bed there within shooting range of the bed. Well, no,

1881
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 1: not not not down when you want to be where

1882
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: that deer wherever he's coming in, can't smug. And now

1883
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: remember that deer is gonna most of the time you're

1884
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: gonna do like a jay hook into that bed. They're

1885
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna look down around and then get that wind coming

1886
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: into your face. And if you're on the wrong side

1887
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: of that bed, even though you're down wind, um, he's

1888
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: gonna get you and he's gonna bug out. So you

1889
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: know you're taking the educated guests or you're gonna look

1890
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: at the sign and read it where you think he's

1891
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: gonna enter, and then you just strategically make sure that

1892
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: you just can't get your win. And the thing I

1893
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: love about mornings too. I know guys hate mornings, they

1894
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: hate getting them up with, and you're you got thermals

1895
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 1: all coming up. I just think it's such you've got

1896
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,600
Speaker 1: worn out deer from running around all night, you know,

1897
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: Jason or whatever, I don't know. I think it's some

1898
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: of the best time to kill, killing really big deers

1899
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: on morning post, you know, getting back into their innet. October.

1900
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: So you talked about those thermals um and then also

1901
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: trying to get down wind of where a buck's gonna

1902
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: jay hook in there, and that all leads me to

1903
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: just trying to better understand your thoughts around setting up

1904
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 1: with wind. I know that you talk about trying to

1905
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: find these bulletproof sets. You you're not big man any

1906
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: direction anyway, that's it's uh. And I know the bulletproof

1907
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 1: because I'll have adult coyotes get down winto me and

1908
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: not even have a clue that I'm there. So you

1909
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: know something's going on with the draft of the wind,

1910
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the way it's being taken out of there. Um, And

1911
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: they'll come from experience, and a lot of times the

1912
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: experience is what sucks is that first time in you're

1913
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 1: taking a gamble that you got this all figured out right,

1914
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: and you may sit that stand and the winds and

1915
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: the thermals might do some some goofy stuff that that

1916
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: you didn't anticipate, and then you all that time you

1917
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: took the stuff that stand all real nice, and it's

1918
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: in a wrong spot and now you gotta readjust it

1919
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 1: so and ain't like I did get this ship. You

1920
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: m right every time. But by doing that and learning that,

1921
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: I think I got a pretty good idea of I

1922
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: always think of it this way, if you want to

1923
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: think of where you'd want your scent to go more

1924
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 1: or less than um, where you'd love to be sitting

1925
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: and have that sent to goal and kind of think

1926
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: of it almost like you're banking, you know, pool game

1927
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:42,560
Speaker 1: or something. Um, you're thinking a little deeper into them, Um,

1928
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 1: what could happen? Um? Because dude, you can be you

1929
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: can have to win right for you. And I've had

1930
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: deer in the big woods and big pines and all

1931
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: that literally win me from direction. You'd say there's absolutely

1932
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: no way in hell that deer got my sense and

1933
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:00,799
Speaker 1: bugged out of there, and then all of a sudden,

1934
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: I always tell that story. One day I started snowing,

1935
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: and I watched the snow coming by me where I'm

1936
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: at the right way. Then I watched it hit the

1937
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: opening in the pines and go the other way, and

1938
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,600
Speaker 1: all snows going up, you know, down that draw, and

1939
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: then another opening took the snow and went it did

1940
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:18,759
Speaker 1: a big j hook right to where I did. With standing.

1941
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: I said, no, now, I now I figured out why

1942
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 1: that's done, But he did. He did send me. There's

1943
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: no way I could have known that or um back then. Anyhow,

1944
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: That's how I learned it. You know, I think about

1945
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: that stuff now, um, chryst, I think about my scent,

1946
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: the one thing off the tree I'm in getting on

1947
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: the right position that I would hit the tree and

1948
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: wrap around it to the left more than the right,

1949
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,879
Speaker 1: just to throw that sent you know, a little different directions.

1950
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: So can you can you think of any example of

1951
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 1: some sets like this where you have you know, created

1952
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: or found a bulletproof set. Can you describe something that

1953
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: because I feel like this is one of those things

1954
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: that people hear about, but it's hard to country right. Uh.

1955
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: So you got some hill countries where you got uh,

1956
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: maybe you're on the top of knob. So I've had

1957
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: a lot of elk two in my past, so I've

1958
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: kind of learned um a lot of that from from

1959
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 1: hunting out. But so you got a wind direction coming

1960
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: that you're set up from a knob. Then you got

1961
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: a hill behind you that has thermals coming up. And

1962
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 1: as those thermals come up the hill, they're running into

1963
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: the wind direction coming across the top, and they create

1964
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: a chimney effect. And you have another hill to your

1965
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 1: left at the thermals are coming up, and you've got

1966
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 1: another one thing right, And all of a sudden, you

1967
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: got all this soft traft coming up, and you got

1968
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 1: one set blowing off and I can get deered down

1969
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: into me, the right of me, the left of me,

1970
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 1: and they just don't have a freaking clol. And here's

1971
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 1: the thing that's that's all the ship with sun control

1972
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: and all that is great to be good hygiene and

1973
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: all that, but there's nothing you can do to beat

1974
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: a white tails knows if he starts sniffing for you,

1975
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna find you. So the only way to beat

1976
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 1: a big white tail's nose is that absolutely no sense

1977
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 1: coming off your body is getting to where he's at.

1978
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 1: And that's all got to do with the win direction

1979
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 1: of the terminal, doesn't have to do with your your

1980
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 1: suits and what you're washing with. Um. Yeah, you can

1981
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: get away with maybe a little bit more and a

1982
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,639
Speaker 1: deer that's not as alarmed, there's accustomed to people or whatever.

1983
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: But if a deer is looking for you and wants

1984
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 1: to find you, if there's any amountitor that's got from

1985
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 1: you to that animal, he's gonna set smell you. But

1986
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,759
Speaker 1: if there's no air or vapor from your body getting

1987
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 1: to him, there is no way in hell he's gonna

1988
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: bust you. Now, the only way is gonna bust you

1989
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 1: is if you're sitting there pissing your pants and the

1990
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 1: electricity is pouring off your body and you're so nervous.

1991
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: He's got that sixth sense. He actually senses you in

1992
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 1: that tree. Um, you know, nervousness or whatever it is,

1993
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: or you you know, you got your your eyes or

1994
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: your moving or whatever. So it's a it's a it's

1995
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: a it's a big game. I used to tell Cody

1996
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: learned learned to disappear, and it was and then he

1997
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: finally for that one vannage. So now I know what

1998
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: you mean about just disappearing. Just go away, man, Just

1999
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 1: there's nobody here, there's nothing happening. You find those spots,

2000
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: go they are They're very enjoyable to hunt, very empowering. Man.

2001
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: You you mentioned disappearing in the woods. I gotta ask

2002
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 1: about the eye thing I heard you have talked about.

2003
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 1: You think that deer can can see the white cere

2004
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:25,719
Speaker 1: eyes are since you looking at them? Dude, I don't

2005
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: think anything. I know. A deer will look right down

2006
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 1: into your soul for your eyeballs, just like anybody else would. Um,

2007
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 1: you could look at me the wrong way across the

2008
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 1: bar boy, and you can say a lot of shifts

2009
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: to me through through a look. And so where I've

2010
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: learned um a lot on that is with filming with

2011
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: with binoculars, anything with a lens or. And I was

2012
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: I had coke bottles glasses when I started out, honey,

2013
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 1: and I would have to say that up for hunters

2014
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: is the biggest, um hindrance to the guys. If you

2015
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 1: wear glasses and you don't cover them up, So I

2016
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: took it a step further. Now I got rid of glasses.

2017
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: I had lastic surgery, but I still see them. Deer

2018
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: will look right and you can tell you And here

2019
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 1: here's how you can tell that they're looking at your eyes.

2020
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 1: That's all you gotta do. You get a doll that

2021
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: looks right in your eyes, you just splint them eyes,

2022
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 1: close them and we can just barely see her and

2023
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 1: just watch her flicker Carroll and go about her freaking business.

2024
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 1: Danger gone, and saying, with your binoculars, do you see

2025
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: what I'm staring at? You just take them binoculars and

2026
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: slowly tilt them down like a forty five degree angle.

2027
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: As soon as them binoculars go away from that deer

2028
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: seeing them, they just flicked her channel and go about

2029
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 1: their business. Danger gone. Um. So it's the same with eyes,

2030
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: it's the same with camera lenses. It's the same with binoculars,

2031
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 1: um and dude. When I get my head net down

2032
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 1: and my eyes covered, I get some big ship coming

2033
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: in that just looks right on through me and they

2034
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 1: don't even know what the frick is going on up there.

2035
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: So that's something a lot of guys don't do that.

2036
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who puts a set over where

2037
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: the head net you know what, Leave the head and

2038
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 1: net off and get two little rings that will go

2039
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: around your freaking eyes to cover your boot. It ain't

2040
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:11,440
Speaker 1: your head you need to cover, it's your eyeballs. Yeah,

2041
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: I definitely. Oh, by the way, we got a head

2042
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: net coming out. Well, I've been always wanting to have one,

2043
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know if. But uh, there's enough out

2044
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 1: there you can customize to make. I take the reader

2045
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: one so that you can see through and cut cut

2046
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: some on there. You'll try it sometimes. If you got

2047
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: deer that around you don't want to shoot, and you're

2048
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 1: waiting for a certain buck kick, just put the head

2049
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: net down and you can have it so you can

2050
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 1: simply and I can shoot through a head net. Um,

2051
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,879
Speaker 1: if you're not comfortable for shooting one, just let everything

2052
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: go about. His business was near you, and then you

2053
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 1: can put the thing back up. If you're filming and

2054
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: glass and you're wanting to watch. But if you want

2055
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: something that's coming through that's not to get you, um,

2056
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 1: throw that thing down. I'll tell you man, you you

2057
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 1: will not get busted. And that you can wear a

2058
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: three piece suit up there on Okaming. As long as

2059
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 1: those eyes are covered, you'll be good. You'll be good

2060
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 1: to go. I'm gonna test that one this year. I

2061
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 1: like that. UM. Back to the wind thing. So something

2062
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 1: that I know a lot of people struggle with and

2063
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: I do too, is trying to figure out how to

2064
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: balance playing the wind so that you don't get winded,

2065
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 1: but then also trying to be in the spot where

2066
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:26,719
Speaker 1: a buck thinks he's got the wind in his favor.

2067
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: And you always hear about hunting these like the wind,

2068
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 1: just cutting corners, trying to be just off the edge

2069
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And can you describe exactly how

2070
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: you think through that? You just you just gave me

2071
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: a scenario that in a situation that a buck is coming,

2072
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 1: he'll be concerned about how that's good for him. Like

2073
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 1: I said, a deer does not. UM. There's ways that

2074
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 1: they travel through there was there's way that they prefer

2075
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 1: to come into a bad leave a bed where they

2076
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 1: get spooked or alarmed. They want to bust out and

2077
01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 1: run into the wind for a little bit and then

2078
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 1: look back around. Um. A deer cannot move through its

2079
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 1: entire life and day with the wind perfect room. It's

2080
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: impossible to do. So what you do is you pick

2081
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: your spot, pick your ambush spot, and that ambush spot

2082
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: is the spot you got I'm gonna manipulate. So when

2083
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: that deer comes through there, you want to make sure

2084
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: that that I don't know, it might not even be

2085
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: good for that animal right there, but it's gonna it's

2086
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: gonna be. Um, it's gonna be good for you because

2087
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in the right you know, the right

2088
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: spot off it that he's not going to get your wind.

2089
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: And the other big thing is um, um, what was

2090
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: this thing about that the other day years ago? But

2091
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 1: deer would only trust this nose. It wouldn't even believe

2092
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: what I has seen unless it smells it along with it.

2093
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 1: I remember when that changed, when the volume of hunters

2094
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: and things. And I don't tell I don't. I don't

2095
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: know how a year and a half old buck that young.

2096
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 1: It's almost like it gets ingrained into genetics if those

2097
01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 1: teach um teach her off spring from year to year

2098
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: what it is. But deer don't need the sent check anymore.

2099
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 1: They don't need to verify danger with their freaking os anymore.

2100
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 1: They've spotted your assid and they'll they'll be out of

2101
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: there or bug out. So you really got to be

2102
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: conscience on your setups with the vision and sent, but

2103
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 1: more importantly obviously sent because you can have the one

2104
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 1: up on the more they don't see you, and you're

2105
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: gonna see you what they're no. So um, same about

2106
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 1: a trail, you know, don't don't set up on the

2107
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 1: inside of a trail with the deer looking across the

2108
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 1: right the way you're going. You don't want to deer

2109
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: looking through your buddy, Believe me, I just want to

2110
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: You want him looking off somewhere and you've being off

2111
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: the side and not having it, you know, you even

2112
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: in his cone of vision. So throw that in along

2113
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 1: with your scent the right wind and you've you've been

2114
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 1: in an affordable tree stand. You set up and you

2115
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 1: manipulated that spot. That deer comes true, you're gonna get

2116
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: you know, you get your crack on them and maybe yeah,

2117
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 1: I hope. So you're you're not an advocate for any

2118
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of scent control other than just play the wind

2119
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: right and I is that still true? No? So here's

2120
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 1: the thing. There's there's always room for sun control or

2121
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 1: sun control is gonna come in is maybe not a

2122
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 1: molested deer. Maybe it's a borderline. They're just getting a

2123
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: little hint of um. And if you know do it,

2124
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 1: there's always a good argument for I'm only need freakxt

2125
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 1: that takes a shower too three times a day. So

2126
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: but what's funny? You know what I you know my

2127
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: scent control. I use a dial stope, which they say

2128
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:41,719
Speaker 1: if you want to keep deer out of your garden,

2129
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: to put shavings of that ship out there. I use

2130
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff in my clothing that they say,

2131
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, is the worst thing you can use on

2132
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: it um. But I think what you want is antibacterial.

2133
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: You know, sweat don't smell until it hits bacteria and

2134
01:42:54,439 --> 01:43:00,599
Speaker 1: then heats created. Keeping you're sent control to a minimum

2135
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: is always going to be good. But what I'm saying

2136
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 1: is there's no freaking way if you think that you

2137
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:10,959
Speaker 1: can be completely sent free where a food take showers

2138
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: in this and you think you're gonna be the deer's

2139
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 1: nose and you don't have guys at all. This deer

2140
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: came in down good, So what so deer came in

2141
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: down with you? I'm looking for the sun of a bitch.

2142
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: I watched you know, wind you from freaking treating ours

2143
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 1: way and never even get to where you even seen it.

2144
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 1: And there's dozens of deer that do that. Um, And

2145
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 1: if you pay attention, you'll you'll see that. So you

2146
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 1: still want good, good thing. But like I said, the

2147
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 1: only way to make sure deer has not sent you

2148
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: is that any vapor coming off your body cannot reach

2149
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 1: the area is at And there's only one way to

2150
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: do that is what some thermals, some vacuums, some wind

2151
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 1: direction because you know senil literally to drop the bottom

2152
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:54,480
Speaker 1: of your tree and literally spill out against the wind somewhat. Um.

2153
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 1: So I've seen that too on my older winds. But

2154
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: start thinking about that. UM. I could tell you a

2155
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 1: little story out of Hunter too that I taught that

2156
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 1: lesson to and started coming big deer every year. Um,

2157
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 1: you're still there because I got something ringing on my

2158
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:16,799
Speaker 1: phone here. Okay, that's just somebody uh coming so UM

2159
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 1: A friend of mine years ago, Todd fritzink Uh. You

2160
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 1: probably know him in the industry. He ended up becoming

2161
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 1: a very good season hunter uh and ended up with

2162
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 1: a tragedy. But when he was just green behind the

2163
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 1: ears and came to the Illinois was a big fan

2164
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: alone wolf. Um, he had it. I'm not gonna mention

2165
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 1: the suit. Everybody's gonna know what the suit is. And

2166
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the suits uh don't work. But he

2167
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 1: had it in his head that he could put a

2168
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 1: magic suit on and be completely sent free. And even

2169
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 1: though he thought he was trying to play the wind

2170
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:54,760
Speaker 1: um subconsciously. You think you got the shield of armor

2171
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 1: and you don't have a shield of armor. And I

2172
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: told him, how you got to start thinking about this

2173
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 1: whole deal. Uh, Now you've gotta suit you never washed before,

2174
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,679
Speaker 1: that's probably contaminated. Uh you're thinking you can get away

2175
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: with this and get away with that. Why don't you

2176
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 1: just go in through the season thinking you can't get

2177
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 1: away with nothing, and go at it with such a

2178
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:17,600
Speaker 1: fricking animal vengeance of wind direction, thermals and just you

2179
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: know where you step before you set your stand. Uh.

2180
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: That season he killed his first buck there on one

2181
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 1: of our releases, and uh because it was nothing but net.

2182
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 1: Ever since after that, he finally just got that part

2183
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: of it um and then you know, honed his skills

2184
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:37,680
Speaker 1: as and and whatever style he ended up working for

2185
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 1: him when we'll started working for him. So, and it's

2186
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 1: like anybody you know so, And I'm not gonna go

2187
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 1: and say a guy that if you need that badge

2188
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: or that shield, and that's what gives you the confidence,

2189
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 1: and then you play the wind to a t, go

2190
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: for it. I'll give you a here here. It's a

2191
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 1: real good story for yourself. When I first started out

2192
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 1: years ago, sunk was the cover sense of the time.

2193
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 1: And then it turned into every thought, well, we were smart,

2194
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 1: and you don't use sunk because stunk sprays. It's alarms,

2195
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 1: and alarms are deer or whatever. So then it got

2196
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 1: to be um uh con piss, and it was it

2197
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 1: was ars arse. That was my badge. Man, I get

2198
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 1: that shift on and I'd be freaking invincible. One year,

2199
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Um the industry went short. Nobody had it anywhere. I

2200
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: couldn't find shut kills what I used to use. I

2201
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 1: ran over at every store, ran across Tom and I

2202
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 1: was in. I was in a panic, Dude, the season's

2203
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 1: coming and I got no earth sent right, So I

2204
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: went that season with no cover scent. I've seen more

2205
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 1: and bigger deer than I ever seen in my entire

2206
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,759
Speaker 1: freaking life. And I've never used the cover sent since

2207
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 1: and it's been nothing but um good time. So take

2208
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: that into an account that um, you know what I mean,

2209
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 1: you can get a false sense of security. That's so

2210
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: it might be hurting me man. Um, yeah, it seems

2211
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:06,639
Speaker 1: to be like as as long as you don't use

2212
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,680
Speaker 1: those things as a crutch, right, don't get don't get

2213
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 1: false confidence that uses a crutch. Always always play it

2214
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 1: and then all those little things might be a little

2215
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 1: bit bonus on top, but never short change the original. Yeah,

2216
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 1: and I still don't think you know, your average guy

2217
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:26,559
Speaker 1: is gonna get. Um, do not realize how good at

2218
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 1: that the animal senses. When I watched the black bear

2219
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 1: getting run by some dogs in a hurricane, when I

2220
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 1: was in a tree stand and that thing must have

2221
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 1: been thirty and my wind was blowing right down the

2222
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 1: log and road, uh at probably twenty miles that bear

2223
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,720
Speaker 1: hit that freaking logging road and a set of guy

2224
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 1: look like it hit a brick wall and turned on

2225
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 1: a dime, caught my scent like like that, not even

2226
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: a question that it was you know, a hint or

2227
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 1: whatever it is. It was that scent blowing there constantly hard. Uh.

2228
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 1: I think that the animals to see and that's gonna

2229
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 1: be hard to beat anything that can smell like that

2230
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 1: unless he just does not get us a whiffery at all.

2231
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: So if you can, if you can think that or

2232
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: picture that in your mind, even be able to um

2233
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 1: um picture that. I think you know, you might come

2234
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:17,680
Speaker 1: in a little bit different way and then you don't

2235
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 1: want to get to it the other Here's another story

2236
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:21,639
Speaker 1: I can say that was funny as hell. A guy

2237
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 1: that I was in Camp liss Um, I was hunting

2238
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and he got up on a hunt two hours

2239
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 1: before anybody had to get out of bed to go hunt.

2240
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 1: And the son of a bitch had compulsion and was

2241
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: taking a shower and ship in bags and I'm like,

2242
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 1: I could use the street and I'm like, what the

2243
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 1: hell are you doing? You know, as the man, it's

2244
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 1: like this. When I got up, was time to get ready,

2245
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: and that I says, you must that ship must really

2246
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:50,559
Speaker 1: really work for you if you're so you know, you're

2247
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 1: so animate about it um, And he told me, I, yeah,

2248
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 1: I used it all the time and I haven't seen

2249
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 1: it here yet. And he was hunting the whole season

2250
01:48:57,479 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. I said that's a possible. It is literally

2251
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 1: impossible to have not seen a freaking deer hunting in

2252
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: the woods an amount of times he was out there,

2253
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and I just gave him a little

2254
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: bit of advice, So maybe you should uh forget about

2255
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 1: all that, get yourself a couple of extra you know,

2256
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: season gead out and start playing that wind a little

2257
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 1: bit more instead of that crutch. So um, and I've

2258
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:25,440
Speaker 1: seen that time and time again, and it's just, um,

2259
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 1: it just stays so. And here's here's the thing that's

2260
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound eric or anything when you

2261
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 1: ask me to about you think that they're seeing your eyes. Dude,

2262
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 1: I don't think nothing. Everything I tell you. I freaking

2263
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 1: know for a fact, I don't give a ship when

2264
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 1: any engineers say or what books there or whatever the

2265
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 1: hell that sho it is. If I'm telling you man,

2266
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 1: it's it's it's freaking golden because I've I've experienced it

2267
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:49,760
Speaker 1: numerous numerous times. And um, and not to say that

2268
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 1: there's some weird ship that can happen. I've had deer

2269
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 1: come down one to me that I know becau's an

2270
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 1: away two and and it just it was a time

2271
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: of year that the deer just didn't give a ship.

2272
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 1: And I have other times you couldn't get anywhere near

2273
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:05,800
Speaker 1: that damn deer. You you just bug out. So winning rome.

2274
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 1: You know the time of year, change up your your tactics,

2275
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: get more aggressive as it gets closer rut and enduring

2276
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 1: the ruck do you can get you want to do

2277
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 1: a bumping dump if you ain't seeing deer. You know

2278
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 1: the lockdown period. When there's a four day period you

2279
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 1: don't see a freaking deer, you wonder where all your

2280
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 1: bucks went. Get your ass down and go walk every

2281
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 1: ounce of that freaking property until you run into a

2282
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:28,840
Speaker 1: bunch of bucks looking at you and a bunch of

2283
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 1: deer that ain't even running off, and just set of

2284
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: stand up and hang onto your freaking half brother, because

2285
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:37,559
Speaker 1: you are in the game. There's a done heating there.

2286
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 1: It's got every buck on it right then and there.

2287
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:42,840
Speaker 1: And if you're in the same little draw or the

2288
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 1: same one lot, you're gonna have the time of your life.

2289
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 1: And if your two draws over, you're gonna have three

2290
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 1: days before you see any bucks at all moving around again,

2291
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 1: because they're on one spot. So I've heard you say

2292
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: that you hate the rut, but there are certain situations

2293
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 1: like that. I guess where you can you can enjoy that, right, Well,

2294
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 1: that's why I hate the rut. That's the kind of

2295
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 1: ship you gotta do. Is too so this year and

2296
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 1: this property here, when that rut hits, all of a sudden,

2297
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,759
Speaker 1: on here cameras, you'll start getting pictures of all kinds

2298
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 1: of small bucks, uh, smaller class deer, and literally every

2299
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:20,000
Speaker 1: freaking buck is gone for weeks, which is amazing. You

2300
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 1: think they'd stick around and and they got the ones

2301
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 1: that came into the heat here earlier, got and there,

2302
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 1: and they're literally freaking gone. And you'll be just spinning

2303
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 1: your wheel for a couple um the week's hunting here,

2304
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, after the rut the late season,

2305
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 1: I'll see these things just coming in from across just

2306
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: vast open drop realms. There he is heading back to home,

2307
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 1: done chasing ship around for you know, three miles this way,

2308
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:48,680
Speaker 1: three miles that way or so. That's why if you're

2309
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 1: looking for that deer, and I don't get me wrong,

2310
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:53,200
Speaker 1: there's a ship thoad other bucks that will be traveling

2311
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 1: through here, and all these smaller ones running all over hell,

2312
01:51:55,320 --> 01:51:59,560
Speaker 1: you could kill, but the one I'm looking for, he's

2313
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 1: he is gone. I ain't got a prayer in the

2314
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 1: world of killing him because he's you know, held up

2315
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:07,879
Speaker 1: with it. Go and heat two miles on a woodlot somewhere. Um,

2316
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 1: you're not coming back home tonight. Let's put it that way,

2317
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 1: you know. So, So in that kind of situation, is

2318
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:18,519
Speaker 1: is your go to you know, aggressive move literally doing

2319
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 1: what you just said, Like in that situation, you will

2320
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 1: walk him down to find a bunch and well, now

2321
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 1: here so we got again cameras. This is the property

2322
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 1: that I know. Inside now this property here, there will

2323
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:32,680
Speaker 1: be a short window during the rock when other you

2324
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 1: are doing just what my dear are doing. And I

2325
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 1: don't get it to the lay of the land. Here

2326
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 1: we've got the only cover in it's all big open stuff.

2327
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,360
Speaker 1: But there'll be a spot I have in a wood

2328
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 1: lot that every year we'll get one nonresident deer that

2329
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 1: we've never had a picture of or any experience with it.

2330
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:56,879
Speaker 1: Just it just seems like one maybe two. Um, that's huge.

2331
01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 1: And I remember one year, Um it was coming at

2332
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 1: that time, and I knew where I needed to be.

2333
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 1: I needed to be in that stand the at that time,

2334
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:09,840
Speaker 1: and my son beat me to that stand at that

2335
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: time and he had a flammer come through that he uh,

2336
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:16,640
Speaker 1: he kind of messed up on but there. So I

2337
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 1: was talking about kind of knowing in advance where you

2338
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 1: need to be. That was my one hope from shooting

2339
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:26,280
Speaker 1: a big deer that during the next three weeks on

2340
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:28,640
Speaker 1: this property and that was it. I needed to be

2341
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 1: there and I wasn't there, So now I had to

2342
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:31,960
Speaker 1: wait for late season, and then a bunch of the

2343
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 1: other deer moved back in and it was you know,

2344
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 1: you can go after whatever you wanted to then the

2345
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: there back. So um. It could be a different scenario

2346
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 1: in areas, whether it's just you know, like Dollar in Illinois,

2347
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 1: were along the river there, they'll get bucks coming in

2348
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 1: and they're just traveling, um from miles and miles away.

2349
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: During the ruck. You know, I went here looking for them.

2350
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: Everything is bright, looking for some stragglers or um. But

2351
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 1: if you're not looking for specific deer, man, get down

2352
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,120
Speaker 1: and go find a don't heat and get them the

2353
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:01,920
Speaker 1: whole game. We had one here your two year a deer.

2354
01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, and that probably

2355
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 1: a lot of guys don't want her. Deer gets injured

2356
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 1: a doll she's got a bone broke or an injury,

2357
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 1: they put off a stink where they smell literally that

2358
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 1: could do and heat. So one year we had an

2359
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 1: injured doll up in a draw here and I was

2360
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:19,799
Speaker 1: on it on the side of my property, and every

2361
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,600
Speaker 1: buck on the property was following that doll in and

2362
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 1: out of that draw. Every night. There was like thirteen

2363
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:26,840
Speaker 1: bucks on her and Cody was on the other side.

2364
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:28,880
Speaker 1: I said, do it. You can hunt all you want

2365
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 1: over there. I said, everything on this property is over

2366
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 1: here right now. Um. And they would follow around thinking that,

2367
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, in four days or Somethingy're gonna get lucky

2368
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 1: or whatever hell doing. And she wasn't going to heat.

2369
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 1: She was just kind of thing from being injured. But

2370
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 1: the same with the doll that's going to heat. You

2371
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 1: can have your entire group of deer all living in

2372
01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 1: one little small spot for a while on your property,

2373
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 1: and you know you're sitting, you know, half a mile

2374
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 1: away in another spot where it ain't happening. If you

2375
01:54:56,160 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 1: could sit there all day long, you're not getting no action. Brother. Yeah,

2376
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 1: the rut it is the highest of high as the

2377
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: lowest of lows. You either got it or you're down. Yeah,

2378
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 1: but here's the deal with this ruck. Good, here's what

2379
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm like. But you know, the spots will have been

2380
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 1: one year in Milwaukee was on Wisconsin Avenue next to

2381
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 1: the bus stop. If you would have been in a

2382
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,200
Speaker 1: telephone bowl hunting there, you just shot of open young

2383
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 1: that year he came through freaking that. I mean, that's

2384
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 1: the kind of ship you're dealing with. The rut. So

2385
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 1: that's when if you if it's but don't get me wrong,

2386
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: there's run hunters, and you can be you can capitalize

2387
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 1: on some pretty huge bucks in that rut because they're

2388
01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:35,040
Speaker 1: coming in from my deer are running around like that

2389
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 1: on somebody else's property. So the guy that sit in

2390
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 1: the right spot on the right day is going to

2391
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 1: get that crack at that deer where a little bit

2392
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 1: later when it gets the late season, he ain't never

2393
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 1: seen it again because it's coming back here in winter.

2394
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:50,160
Speaker 1: And so, um, I just don't like hunting a deer

2395
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 1: that I've never I don't have a personal deal with that.

2396
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:54,880
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, dude. You know a hundred nine

2397
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 1: years buck comes by under stee before he's getting a

2398
01:55:56,720 --> 01:56:00,480
Speaker 1: freaking arrow on it to actually. Um, But when I'm

2399
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 1: hunting the specific one i'm wanting, I'm not out just

2400
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 1: for a a rut buck or something personal, kill you

2401
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: know whatever, Keller. But most guys don't give a shot.

2402
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 1: They want to they want to kill Jesus during the ruck.

2403
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 1: If if a deer's on your property, it's funny because

2404
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:20,240
Speaker 1: we'll have cameras out in a lot of spots, and um,

2405
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:24,840
Speaker 1: a buck. I was after ones. Uh, the moon face

2406
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 1: said late, so when the deer were moving later, So

2407
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:28,920
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I'm not in all days sitter,

2408
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:30,640
Speaker 1: so I can't. So I'm gonna go out a little

2409
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 1: bit later, and then I'm gonna go sit through the

2410
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:36,800
Speaker 1: midday when the action was happening. The damn morning that

2411
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 1: I freaking slept in, this monster was through my yard

2412
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 1: chasing a frickin door over hell, when I'm sitting here

2413
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:44,200
Speaker 1: in breakfast, I shouldn't understand. And when I went and

2414
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 1: checked cameras, I could have been in four different freaking stands.

2415
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 1: I could have picked that morning and killed that buck

2416
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:52,680
Speaker 1: on anyone of them. And where the hell was I, uh,

2417
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, like an idiot? Uh, sipping a cup of

2418
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 1: coffee waiting for I was gonna go in a little later.

2419
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:00,160
Speaker 1: So I made a bad decision on that one. But

2420
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:05,000
Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff that happens, and UM, you

2421
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: gotta go with it, man. Yeah, you just don't know. Man. Um,

2422
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 1: I feel well, I don't feel I literally have like

2423
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 1: thirty more topics that I think we did another part.

2424
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 1: I think we need another podcast. Brother, I know if

2425
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:22,040
Speaker 1: you're if you're up for it, I think we should

2426
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 1: do it because I feel like we barely scratch the

2427
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: surface on some of this stuff. Um, but we're coming

2428
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 1: up on too. I get. I get no more bigger thrill.

2429
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:32,520
Speaker 1: Then the guy that walks up to me in a

2430
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 1: shoal that's been hunting two years listen to some stuff

2431
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,280
Speaker 1: we said, I took it the heart, tried it and

2432
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:41,839
Speaker 1: went and shot to two giant bucks that year. Um,

2433
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:44,240
Speaker 1: in ways that most average guys that think you're freaking

2434
01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 1: knots that can't be done. Um and seeing seeing these

2435
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:51,080
Speaker 1: guys get set off on the right foot. The worst

2436
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 1: thing that aggravates me the worst is to see people

2437
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 1: getting some false information or some gimmicky stuff and they

2438
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 1: get set off. The kids just destined for failure. Uh

2439
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's just criminal to see that so

2440
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:09,720
Speaker 1: um and what's really rewarding to me as all these

2441
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:12,640
Speaker 1: guys have become friends all these years to see what

2442
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 1: the talent go from. You know, you know you're old

2443
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:19,680
Speaker 1: when you you watched the guy growing his career twenty

2444
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 1: years um go from some pretty inexperienced guys to just um,

2445
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:29,760
Speaker 1: some pretty stealthy, pretty um, pretty educative guys. Man. These

2446
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 1: guys are like I said, they're they're knocking some and

2447
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:33,040
Speaker 1: you know what, there's a lot of big stuff to

2448
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:35,840
Speaker 1: be knocking down these days too. I think years ago

2449
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 1: there wasn't so um. You know, you've got the right tools,

2450
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 1: You've got a little bit of right information and location, location,

2451
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:47,960
Speaker 1: location brothers. So I know, and I feel sorry for

2452
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 1: some of the guys that are I cut my uh

2453
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:53,680
Speaker 1: um my teeth on a lot of spots where you know,

2454
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 1: they don't have spot to hunt. They're hunting these high

2455
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 1: pressured areas with a lot of hunters. I learned to

2456
01:58:59,880 --> 01:59:02,760
Speaker 1: be a good hunter by hunting that type of scenario

2457
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 1: with ten acres with ten guys hunting it. Um. And

2458
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, when you can come out of there and

2459
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:13,720
Speaker 1: see three or four bucks in the night, end up

2460
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 1: under like your stand stage in Spern, and everybody else

2461
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:18,520
Speaker 1: comes out and hasn't seen a deer in the night.

2462
01:59:19,200 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of a pretty good feeling. That's you. You know,

2463
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 1: you're kind of figuring some stuff out. And um, and

2464
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 1: I said, it's empowering mental to learn it and just

2465
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:30,200
Speaker 1: keep soaking it in and can you figure it out

2466
01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:33,880
Speaker 1: in the test situations and then you can do it anywhere? Yeah,

2467
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 1: And like I said, it's so, if you've seen that

2468
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 1: as much as I did, you you probably learned. Unless

2469
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:43,000
Speaker 1: you're you can get hit in the head a couple

2470
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:46,080
Speaker 1: of times and somebody walked up your popped in ahead

2471
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:47,680
Speaker 1: a few times. You want to take note, he's probably

2472
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:50,960
Speaker 1: gonna do it again. So but it just don't. And again,

2473
01:59:51,080 --> 01:59:54,440
Speaker 1: my mind works different. I take it in and I

2474
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:56,880
Speaker 1: and I think about it always. I think about christ

2475
01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 1: I think about tracks that I cut forty years of

2476
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,400
Speaker 1: believe or not. Why are they pop into my head

2477
02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:06,160
Speaker 1: or a scenario. It's just it's it's ugly. Um. I'd

2478
02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:07,600
Speaker 1: like to be able to turn it off at one

2479
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:12,200
Speaker 1: point here and just take a rest, But well, I'm

2480
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 1: not on my DNA. Yeah, well, we're gonna have to

2481
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 1: keep prying into this stuff and do some more investigating

2482
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:21,360
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Because I think everyone's here in

2483
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:24,160
Speaker 1: this right now has been learning a lot, and uh,

2484
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:27,960
Speaker 1: it's helpful stuff. I want to I was just gonna say,

2485
02:00:27,960 --> 02:00:30,040
Speaker 1: I want to ask a few more, just a couple

2486
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:32,520
Speaker 1: more quick questions because we're gonna kind of pivot and

2487
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:36,480
Speaker 1: then wrap it up. UM, since we've taken a lot

2488
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:38,960
Speaker 1: of your time here today, But what were you about

2489
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 1: to say before I jumped in? I lost my train

2490
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:45,040
Speaker 1: of thought. I was gonna say something about the about

2491
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:48,640
Speaker 1: like I said, the caliber guys out now that the

2492
02:00:48,840 --> 02:00:50,880
Speaker 1: kids in the amount of knowledge that we have with

2493
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, with more about the weather and all. I

2494
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:58,120
Speaker 1: think you have a you know, there's an old school

2495
02:00:58,120 --> 02:01:00,880
Speaker 1: guy that's alter that you know, it's a good hunter

2496
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 1: and keep getting it done it. I think these guys

2497
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:05,520
Speaker 1: can can be educated and learning. I never thought that.

2498
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 1: I thought you were either born with um you know,

2499
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:10,440
Speaker 1: the talent to be a good athlete or a good hunter,

2500
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 1: and it's something that you had. But I don't believe anymore.

2501
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 1: I believe that you can you can learn, and you

2502
02:01:16,760 --> 02:01:20,240
Speaker 1: can UM you can apply it right. You know I

2503
02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:22,520
Speaker 1: never could because, like I said, I just said, I

2504
02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:25,920
Speaker 1: messed up the mindor way I thought, so I had

2505
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:28,880
Speaker 1: to learn it all my own. No, it certainly seems

2506
02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:32,760
Speaker 1: to have worked for you. Um, okay, last couple of

2507
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 1: questions real quick. This one is kind of hypothetical scenario

2508
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:39,080
Speaker 1: that I've been asking a lot of people about lately,

2509
02:01:39,120 --> 02:01:41,760
Speaker 1: and I'm curious to get your thoughts on it. Let's

2510
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:45,160
Speaker 1: say that I have control of the world and I'm

2511
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:47,360
Speaker 1: going to take away your ability to hunt for the

2512
02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:49,440
Speaker 1: next ten years. I can't hunt for the next ten

2513
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:55,400
Speaker 1: years unless you kill your target buck this year, and

2514
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,920
Speaker 1: you've got only one day to do it, and you

2515
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:02,480
Speaker 1: only get to pick one spot to kill him. If

2516
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:05,200
Speaker 1: you had to guess right now, what's the day you're

2517
02:02:05,240 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 1: gonna pick that's gonna give your very best chances, And

2518
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:10,520
Speaker 1: describe to me what you think that exact spot would

2519
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 1: be for this very high stakes hunts. I'm gonna tell

2520
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 1: you right now, I lost this game because I am

2521
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:20,720
Speaker 1: not good enough to go in and pick the right

2522
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 1: day in the right time. On one, I have to

2523
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:26,200
Speaker 1: have a process of hunting seeing developing. That would be

2524
02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:29,280
Speaker 1: like I'll tell you how I take my pick. I'll

2525
02:02:29,320 --> 02:02:32,400
Speaker 1: take a wheel with the days and throw the freaking

2526
02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:34,800
Speaker 1: roulette wheel, and I would take a dark and I

2527
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:38,080
Speaker 1: will throw it out my property map, and I will

2528
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:41,520
Speaker 1: give you that because that is exactly what you're asking

2529
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:45,560
Speaker 1: me to predict. There is no freaking way on earth

2530
02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:50,640
Speaker 1: that you can figure that out. Now, that one in Wisconsin.

2531
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:53,800
Speaker 1: That was a pretty good educated type of thing there.

2532
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:58,040
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, man, it's that's I guess I

2533
02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:02,560
Speaker 1: ain't hunting ever again. But uh, that's what I say

2534
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 1: that that's that's fair. That's a fair answer. Um, okay.

2535
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:11,840
Speaker 1: And then one other kind of totally different topic. But

2536
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:14,960
Speaker 1: I do think that it's worth just covering off on

2537
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:18,280
Speaker 1: it a little bit because I think you've talked a

2538
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: lot about different mistakes that have happened throughout the course

2539
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:22,560
Speaker 1: of your hunting career and how you learn from these

2540
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:24,280
Speaker 1: different things. You set up in the wrong spot of

2541
02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:26,320
Speaker 1: DearS as something you figured out, you'll learn from it,

2542
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:30,280
Speaker 1: you get better because of it. Um. One thing that

2543
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you'd be willing to just give me

2544
02:03:32,360 --> 02:03:36,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of perspective on, is that there was

2545
02:03:37,360 --> 02:03:40,920
Speaker 1: game violation that I know that you had had an

2546
02:03:40,920 --> 02:03:42,840
Speaker 1: issue with back I don't know, a decade ago, and

2547
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:46,520
Speaker 1: if someone googles you, this thing pops up, and I

2548
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 1: would love to hear you, know, your perspective on what happened,

2549
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:51,840
Speaker 1: what you learn from that, because I think there's a

2550
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:55,360
Speaker 1: lot of people who probably have committed some kind of

2551
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:58,000
Speaker 1: infraction and didn't realize it, or they did and they

2552
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:01,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. I'm glad you asked that, because

2553
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:05,440
Speaker 1: this is what we've been wanting to get out since

2554
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:10,360
Speaker 1: day one. So there's everybody's got their fans, and everybody's

2555
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:13,560
Speaker 1: got their people that want to bash on them and

2556
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:18,839
Speaker 1: call them. So back years ago, coming up, anybody, everybody

2557
02:04:18,840 --> 02:04:22,839
Speaker 1: wanted to be the world's best bull hunter, and anybody

2558
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:28,200
Speaker 1: who shot really big deer always would have this overtone

2559
02:04:28,240 --> 02:04:30,280
Speaker 1: of being a you know, other jealous guys would call

2560
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:33,480
Speaker 1: them poachers or that they did things illegal, and I'm

2561
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:36,080
Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now, they weren't too far off.

2562
02:04:36,120 --> 02:04:38,720
Speaker 1: There was a lot of guys doing a lot of

2563
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:45,280
Speaker 1: shady ship um over the years. So because if you

2564
02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:48,120
Speaker 1: can imagine me coming up in the class of deer

2565
02:04:48,280 --> 02:04:50,880
Speaker 1: that I'm shooting right under everybody's noses, right on the

2566
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:57,120
Speaker 1: same properties. Um, there was always that people that that

2567
02:04:57,240 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 1: hated your wanted you to fail. So over the years,

2568
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:03,360
Speaker 1: you can imagine the forty years of hunting, I've had

2569
02:05:03,400 --> 02:05:05,680
Speaker 1: a few and then guys, you know, they they'll they'll

2570
02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:07,920
Speaker 1: bring them up and they'll and I know some of

2571
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:10,720
Speaker 1: the guys who would bring these things up. I know

2572
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:16,360
Speaker 1: him from years ago. You talked about outright poachers. I've

2573
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:20,600
Speaker 1: actually taking those guys as projects and change them. They

2574
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:23,320
Speaker 1: literally believed that a trophy deer would not be moving

2575
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:28,080
Speaker 1: around in daylight hours. So I ended up falling victim

2576
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:30,680
Speaker 1: to being in my tree stand ten minutes too late

2577
02:05:30,720 --> 02:05:35,920
Speaker 1: one year there for the reason of catching a trespasser

2578
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:39,120
Speaker 1: poacher that was not my property. No air knock, but

2579
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:44,200
Speaker 1: a law enforcement jealous guy on a police department stick

2580
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:48,320
Speaker 1: a warden after me who we find out later on

2581
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:52,240
Speaker 1: was watching me for two weeks straight every day evening hunting.

2582
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:55,720
Speaker 1: And can you imagine being watched for two weeks straight

2583
02:05:56,320 --> 02:06:01,440
Speaker 1: on the evening post and then never being a minute

2584
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 1: after getting down on the right times doing it, and

2585
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:07,000
Speaker 1: then one day, uh, you're ten minutes after and you

2586
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:11,760
Speaker 1: get you get a violation. Now it really rubbed me wrong.

2587
02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:13,960
Speaker 1: That anybody would think that I'd have to cheat with

2588
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:18,040
Speaker 1: the success I've had, And what really was good in

2589
02:06:18,040 --> 02:06:21,520
Speaker 1: the years to come is taking up this video and

2590
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:26,720
Speaker 1: filming showing the freaking world that tropey whitetailer up under

2591
02:06:26,720 --> 02:06:28,879
Speaker 1: feet midday and you don't have to be a poacher.

2592
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:35,040
Speaker 1: Um was validation. So I made the mistake I shouldn't

2593
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:37,640
Speaker 1: have been even though I got a ticket. The law

2594
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:39,640
Speaker 1: reads that as long as you don't have an aerow knock,

2595
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:43,680
Speaker 1: you're not constituting hunting. Who out there has not been

2596
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:47,640
Speaker 1: in a tree stand ten minutes after closing hours, I'll

2597
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:50,200
Speaker 1: call them all wires, and every one of us is

2598
02:06:50,240 --> 02:06:53,080
Speaker 1: in our tree stands ten minutes before the season opens

2599
02:06:53,160 --> 02:06:58,200
Speaker 1: in the morning, ready to go. So UM, I didn't.

2600
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:03,200
Speaker 1: The mistake I made was having the success I've had

2601
02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:06,280
Speaker 1: over the years. And then another occurrence that happened was

2602
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:09,600
Speaker 1: in the state of Illinois where I ordered licenses and

2603
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:12,280
Speaker 1: the state of Illinois did not send me all the

2604
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:15,840
Speaker 1: proper licenses but sent me a permit. Ended up going

2605
02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:19,280
Speaker 1: in the woods and uh never even got caught hunting,

2606
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 1: but ended up big headlines read of the enemies you know, uh,

2607
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:27,400
Speaker 1: trophy hunter caught hunting with nold license in the and

2608
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 1: everybody and your brother if you read that article, would

2609
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:32,720
Speaker 1: have thought I was the most reckless nuts running around

2610
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:38,400
Speaker 1: without licenses hunting over bait. Just total freaking insult to

2611
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:42,720
Speaker 1: uh but mine everybody else is intelligent when that's all

2612
02:07:42,760 --> 02:07:45,000
Speaker 1: that was forgotten, and it was forgotten on their part

2613
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:49,760
Speaker 1: was a habitat stamp. You know, we had licenses bought,

2614
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:54,600
Speaker 1: common mistake. They usually let you go by your habitat

2615
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:57,520
Speaker 1: stamp and then go back to hunting. Not this guy.

2616
02:07:57,720 --> 02:07:59,400
Speaker 1: This is a boon and Crockett that you know, some

2617
02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:02,360
Speaker 1: of these haters are trying to take down and they

2618
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:05,400
Speaker 1: and somebody had literally taken that. When you when you

2619
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:08,680
Speaker 1: google that that article. Here's what somebody is doing. That

2620
02:08:08,840 --> 02:08:13,920
Speaker 1: article has gone away for years and somebody is purposely

2621
02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:17,880
Speaker 1: bringing it up to the forefront to damage credibility. So

2622
02:08:18,680 --> 02:08:21,560
Speaker 1: whoever that is, they're a loser. There. Probably ain't got

2623
02:08:21,600 --> 02:08:24,760
Speaker 1: much on her wall and her very yellous type hunter. Um.

2624
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 1: But all the occurrences I've had over the years, we're

2625
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:31,120
Speaker 1: all just little mistakes. I've talked to dozens of guys

2626
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:33,280
Speaker 1: who's done the same thing, even residents of Illinois that

2627
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:37,200
Speaker 1: I forgot to buy her habitat stamp Um ran into

2628
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:41,160
Speaker 1: a wrong situation where you know things have happened. But

2629
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:44,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you point blank to this day, Uh, if

2630
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:46,600
Speaker 1: I was a cheater, I would have a world record

2631
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:49,480
Speaker 1: on my wall right now, and I'd have freaking dozen

2632
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:53,680
Speaker 1: world class of deer more than I have right now. Um,

2633
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:55,840
Speaker 1: this ain't what it's all about for me. It's about

2634
02:08:55,960 --> 02:08:58,200
Speaker 1: me and this White Tale, and I never gave her ship.

2635
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,880
Speaker 1: Would anybody else ever thought about me and my talents

2636
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:04,000
Speaker 1: of deer hunting. So I'm glad we got that out.

2637
02:09:04,120 --> 02:09:07,000
Speaker 1: And now there's no question anybody. If you want to

2638
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:09,000
Speaker 1: call me a poacher, you want to do whatever you want,

2639
02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:11,880
Speaker 1: call away. But if you want to just dial into

2640
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:15,600
Speaker 1: white Tail Addictions and watch all of this ship going

2641
02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:18,480
Speaker 1: down for your plane and color, you can see it.

2642
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:23,200
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you being willing to talk about that,

2643
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:27,080
Speaker 1: because I do think it's yeah, and I think that

2644
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:30,879
Speaker 1: what you bring up is it's not it's it's important

2645
02:09:30,920 --> 02:09:32,800
Speaker 1: just to understand in your situation. But I think it's

2646
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,600
Speaker 1: also a really important reminder for just the average Joel

2647
02:09:35,640 --> 02:09:38,480
Speaker 1: out there, because every state you go to, there are

2648
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:42,880
Speaker 1: so many different little changes and variations and regulations, and honestly, goodness,

2649
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:45,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there was some little thing

2650
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:47,280
Speaker 1: I got wrong that I had no idea about. Um.

2651
02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:49,560
Speaker 1: So it's just a good attorney out to read half

2652
02:09:49,560 --> 02:09:52,880
Speaker 1: these laws and regulations and you know, just think of

2653
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:54,200
Speaker 1: it for a for a guy who does that for

2654
02:09:54,240 --> 02:09:56,480
Speaker 1: a limit to try and take. And I think what

2655
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:58,160
Speaker 1: they were trying to take me with was they were

2656
02:09:58,160 --> 02:10:00,880
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of baiting in Wisconsin, and they

2657
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:05,520
Speaker 1: were trying to get a high profile hunter basically pot

2658
02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:09,800
Speaker 1: hunting illegal over abate or something too to verify their case.

2659
02:10:09,880 --> 02:10:13,520
Speaker 1: But that is so freaking uh. That is the lowest

2660
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:17,160
Speaker 1: thing you can freaking do um to a real trophy

2661
02:10:17,240 --> 02:10:22,160
Speaker 1: hunter is to accuse them of that. And um, it's

2662
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:25,560
Speaker 1: it's like I said, it's just you've got all the

2663
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:27,880
Speaker 1: facts you can look at, you can say all you want.

2664
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 1: And I know every other trophy hunter that I know,

2665
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,800
Speaker 1: all these other guys that come up have experienced the

2666
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:33,880
Speaker 1: same thing. They'll be and you know what, it's not

2667
02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:36,320
Speaker 1: that way anymore. There's not the jealousy there was years

2668
02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:39,840
Speaker 1: ago because there's the caliber animal around and people are

2669
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:41,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people are getting them. Like years ago.

2670
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,800
Speaker 1: You gotta remember, not a lot of guys weren't killing deer,

2671
02:10:45,200 --> 02:10:47,320
Speaker 1: and they were not good hunters. They were pissed four

2672
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:49,000
Speaker 1: hunters and they didn't have the talent to do it.

2673
02:10:49,880 --> 02:10:53,480
Speaker 1: And just because I couldn't do it and you could there,

2674
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:55,360
Speaker 1: you've got to be doing something wrong. That's the mentality

2675
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:58,200
Speaker 1: that they had, um and it's sad. And I think

2676
02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:01,040
Speaker 1: even at Ordin, what I think he found out is

2677
02:11:01,320 --> 02:11:04,160
Speaker 1: the world was pulled over his frecking eyes and he

2678
02:11:04,240 --> 02:11:07,600
Speaker 1: might have seen the lights of that. Somebody just painting

2679
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:09,320
Speaker 1: me out to be a scumbag was really a scumbag

2680
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:12,320
Speaker 1: of Saul. So yeah, well, I feel like the morals

2681
02:11:12,360 --> 02:11:15,680
Speaker 1: story here is leave the jealousy at home and always

2682
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:20,720
Speaker 1: double check your regulations and exactly you need to um

2683
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:25,920
Speaker 1: even knowing your regulations and needn't even knowing the facts. Uh,

2684
02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:29,160
Speaker 1: you gotta do everything completely right. If you gotta imagine

2685
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:32,520
Speaker 1: being in the woods for four four decades, every day

2686
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:36,120
Speaker 1: to season evening in late different states, you're bound to

2687
02:11:36,160 --> 02:11:40,040
Speaker 1: step in a hole uh here there, and just like speed,

2688
02:11:40,120 --> 02:11:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, you get a speeding ticket here there. But

2689
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,360
Speaker 1: these guys want to paint this ship is like you

2690
02:11:44,440 --> 02:11:47,160
Speaker 1: got caught coaching a deer. You did some ship, Dude.

2691
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:49,600
Speaker 1: That would be the lowest thing I could ever do

2692
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:53,560
Speaker 1: to myself to take one illegally. It's it's it's cheating,

2693
02:11:53,560 --> 02:11:55,280
Speaker 1: and I don't need to cheat. I have enough tools,

2694
02:11:55,400 --> 02:11:58,920
Speaker 1: um to win that game on my own. So if anything,

2695
02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:00,240
Speaker 1: I would like to put a little van is in

2696
02:12:00,280 --> 02:12:05,800
Speaker 1: their court. You certainly the proof is in the pudding. Um.

2697
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:08,520
Speaker 1: That being the case, I think there's probably a lot

2698
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:12,240
Speaker 1: of people that hurt our conversation today and want more, um.

2699
02:12:12,720 --> 02:12:14,480
Speaker 1: You want to learn more about what you're doing. You're

2700
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:16,440
Speaker 1: putting on a lot of stuff these days, between the

2701
02:12:16,440 --> 02:12:19,960
Speaker 1: podcasts and white Tail Addictions and all the content. Where

2702
02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:22,720
Speaker 1: can people go to to learn more about that stuff?

2703
02:12:23,240 --> 02:12:25,000
Speaker 1: And uh? And if they want to get some of

2704
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:26,840
Speaker 1: these tools you talk about as far as gear, can

2705
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:29,200
Speaker 1: you fill us in a little bit there too? Yeah,

2706
02:12:29,240 --> 02:12:31,560
Speaker 1: so you can. You can go to a loan World

2707
02:12:31,600 --> 02:12:35,400
Speaker 1: custom gear and you can attamp into our uh YouTube

2708
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:39,520
Speaker 1: page are white Tail Addictions page? Justin Hollendsworth heads up

2709
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:42,600
Speaker 1: our whole um saying there you can put in applications.

2710
02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:44,960
Speaker 1: We had a ton of applications. We actually have had

2711
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:47,879
Speaker 1: to shut a balance here for guys wanting to get involved.

2712
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:50,560
Speaker 1: We want to see some of the new guys. Again,

2713
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:52,560
Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of really big deer shot on

2714
02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:55,040
Speaker 1: these shows. We're not it's it's it just happens to

2715
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:56,520
Speaker 1: be that way, but we're not all about it. So

2716
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:58,200
Speaker 1: we do have some deer that are not that big

2717
02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:00,960
Speaker 1: that we understand. Our guys are in areas at the

2718
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:04,280
Speaker 1: caliber animals are not that size, or you're hunting public

2719
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:07,640
Speaker 1: or you're just starting out. We want those stories too.

2720
02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:09,320
Speaker 1: We would like to have a few women in there.

2721
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:13,760
Speaker 1: And the equipment. We have some high end equipment. Uh,

2722
02:13:13,960 --> 02:13:16,560
Speaker 1: That's what I've always done. There's a lot of other

2723
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:19,000
Speaker 1: stand manufacturers out there. There's extual p that have some

2724
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:22,320
Speaker 1: uh some more reasonable ones, so you can you can

2725
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:26,280
Speaker 1: go there and purchase uh some stands that are a

2726
02:13:26,280 --> 02:13:28,200
Speaker 1: good price, or you can UM. I think we have

2727
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:31,560
Speaker 1: some of the best best designs in the tree stand

2728
02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:34,360
Speaker 1: industry UM with our new line of stands, and I

2729
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 1: think guys appreciate those good tools. I appreciate them, and

2730
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:41,760
Speaker 1: it's the reason why I keep making them better and

2731
02:13:41,800 --> 02:13:44,400
Speaker 1: better is because I want better and better equipment for myself,

2732
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:48,880
Speaker 1: so um, and then we have also a little, uh

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Speaker 1: you know, a tiny little podcast with the attributes and

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Speaker 1: tribulations between a son and his father that are kind

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02:13:56,040 --> 02:13:59,280
Speaker 1: of interesting. But we've always enjoyed yours and you came

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Speaker 1: highly recommend did from numerous people, so I'll say that

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Speaker 1: about you. That's why I took the time to give

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Speaker 1: you a um this podcast. And I wouldn't mind. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, there's so much stuff to cover, we could

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Speaker 1: never cover it on one, and I enjoy coming back

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Speaker 1: on so all right, well, I'm gonna hold to that

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Speaker 1: because I really would like to keep talking. This has

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Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. And if it wasn't for

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02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:22,600
Speaker 1: my wife texting me and telling me that the kids

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02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:25,160
Speaker 1: are getting pissed because they need to eat, keep on talking.

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Speaker 1: I hear your brother, Well, Andre, thank you. I hope

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Speaker 1: we can chat more soon before the season or soon after.

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Speaker 1: And if not, though, good luck come October one. Hey, brother,

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Speaker 1: luck got nothing to do with it. Remember that it's

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Speaker 1: a good I'll leave you. I'll leave you with that.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. Alright, guys, there you go, the

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Speaker 1: one and only Andre du Quisto quite quite the the

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Speaker 1: chat I mean, there's a lot to take in. There,

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Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff. Um. I do want to

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02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:02,360
Speaker 1: circle back on one thing, though, and just make make

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Speaker 1: things very crystal clear. I asked Andre about his running

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Speaker 1: with the game violation situation because I think it's a

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Speaker 1: situation we can all learn from. I was not doing

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Speaker 1: this because I want to any way normalize by violating

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Speaker 1: hunting regulations. I want to make sure we say, hey,

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02:15:21,400 --> 02:15:24,640
Speaker 1: anyone can make a mistake, anyone can do something that's

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02:15:24,680 --> 02:15:27,040
Speaker 1: not quite right, and we all have to take responsibility

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Speaker 1: for that, and we all need to learn from that.

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Speaker 1: So what I take away from andres situation is just

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Speaker 1: that each and every one of us has to double

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Speaker 1: and triple check regulations. We've got to pay attention to

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Speaker 1: the changes each year, and we need to do our

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Speaker 1: very best to follow them to a t um. I

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Speaker 1: mentioned when we were chatting a second ago that a

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Speaker 1: lot of this, myself included, has maybe unwittingly done something

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Speaker 1: wrong without knowing it. And I'm saying that not to

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Speaker 1: imply that that's okay. I'm not saying, oh, it's the

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Speaker 1: government's fault for having too many hunting regulations. I'm not

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Speaker 1: condoning any kind of violation or high later. I'm simply saying,

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Speaker 1: be careful, be responsible, don't let a silly mistake ruin

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Speaker 1: your hunt, or your year, or the next few years

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Speaker 1: of your hunting life. Um. This conversation has just been

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Speaker 1: a great reminder for me to personally go back and

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Speaker 1: reread the regulations for Michigan and other states. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to just to make sure I've got a downpad. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And that's that. I think I'd recommend everybody do the

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Speaker 1: same too. It's it's on us to make sure we've

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Speaker 1: got it right. So that's that's why I bring something

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02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:32,840
Speaker 1: like this up. I think we need to just we

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02:16:32,879 --> 02:16:34,440
Speaker 1: need to talk about these things. We need to think

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02:16:34,480 --> 02:16:37,039
Speaker 1: about these things. And it's not the most fun thing

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Speaker 1: to talk about, um, but it's it's important. So sorry

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Speaker 1: we have to wrap up on that note. But hey,

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02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:46,560
Speaker 1: this podcast is all about learning as much as we

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02:16:46,600 --> 02:16:49,720
Speaker 1: possibly could from Andre in all sorts of different ways.

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Speaker 1: I think we did that. We've heard a lot lots

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Speaker 1: take in so I'm gonna let you go. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: just do on all this. Let's you grind it on out.

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02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:01,720
Speaker 1: See it as anything you can add to your hunting

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02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:04,920
Speaker 1: repertoire and uh hopefully it's going to help you sum

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Speaker 1: this hunting season. So thank you for tuning in, thanks

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Speaker 1: for following along, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.