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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette Presents

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Speaker 1: Till Death Do Us Part. This is where we discuss

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Speaker 1: cases that have to do with marital not marital bliss,

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Speaker 1: marital destruction, marital homicide, marital homicide. So today I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you guys have ever heard of this, but

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Melanie Maguire, who has been

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Speaker 1: dubbed the suitcase.

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Speaker 2: Killer, not to be confused with Sarah Boons.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Boone, who is the other suitcase Killer. But Sarah

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Speaker 1: Boone I believe was not. Were they married. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they were married.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. But they were like together for

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Speaker 2: a long time, right, So we.

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Speaker 1: Might actually discuss Sarah Bill, But today we are going

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Speaker 1: with Melanie McGuire. We're going with the original, the original

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Speaker 1: suitcase Killer, all right. So Melanie maguire was a New

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Speaker 1: Jersey nurse and mother of two who was convicted back

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven of murdering her husband Bill

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Speaker 1: McGuire after he was reported missing in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: His dismembered remains were discovered inside three separate suitcases in

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Speaker 1: the Chesapeake Bay. Prosecutors argued that she shot him and

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Speaker 1: attempted to conceal the crime by throwing the suitcases with

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Speaker 1: his dismembered body parts into the bay. During the investigation,

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Speaker 1: it was revealed that she had been having an affair

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Speaker 1: with a coworker. Who do you think the coworker was,

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Speaker 1: Because she's a.

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Speaker 2: Nurse, a doctor, a doctor.

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Speaker 1: Yes. The prosecution claims she killed her husband to pursue

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Speaker 1: a new life, but Melanie has continued to insist that

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Speaker 1: someone else was responsible for his death up until present days.

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Speaker 1: She claims that she did not do it and that

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Speaker 1: they have the wrong person. So we're going to get

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Speaker 1: into it.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's decide, let's cover the facts, and we'll decide

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Speaker 2: if she's the wrong part.

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Speaker 1: Right at the end of this, I want you to

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Speaker 1: tell me whether you think they have the right person

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Speaker 1: or not. Okay, all right, So let's talk little bit.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back in time and talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about their early life and early marriage. This is back

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and four. So

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Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety nine, Melanie marries Bill McGuire. The

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Speaker 1: two met when Bill was in a relationship already and

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Speaker 1: he had cheated on his girlfriend with Melanie. Bill was

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Speaker 1: also married once before, and his ex wife claims that

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Speaker 1: he was abusive. I do believe that the ex wife

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Speaker 1: even tried to warn Melanie about Bill, saying that he

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Speaker 1: was volatile and abusive and all the things. Melanie and

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Speaker 1: Bill lived in Woodbridge, New Jersey with their two children.

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Speaker 1: They had two boys, and Melanie works as a nurse

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Speaker 1: at a fertility clinic. Bill is a Navy veteran and

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Speaker 1: adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology. So

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Speaker 1: that's their careers. So then on April twenty eighth of

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, this is the same day that

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Speaker 1: the couple closes on their new four hundred and fifth

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Speaker 1: two thousand dollars home and Warren counters for this New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: So they're closing on their home. He disappears the same day.

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Speaker 2: Very serendipitous.

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Speaker 1: Serendipitous that that's a big word.

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Speaker 2: Sarcastic way, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Melanie later says that they argued that he became physical

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Speaker 1: and that she locked herself in the bathroom before he left,

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Speaker 1: and then she claims that she never saw him again

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Speaker 1: after that night.

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Speaker 2: She probably didn't well wait, yeah, because she killed But

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Speaker 2: that's her story. So her story is.

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Speaker 1: They got an argument, he's abusive. She locked herself in

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Speaker 1: the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: I'm in a suitcase and I never saw him since

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Speaker 2: I put it what she did at all. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to it. We're going to get I just know the

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Speaker 2: Sarah Boon case so well. I got to make sure

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Speaker 2: I'm not picturing Sarah Boon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, get Sarah Boon out of your mind. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about Melanie Maguire. So many suitcases. So then Bill's

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Speaker 1: cars found parked outside a hotel in Atlantic study of

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Speaker 1: the day after his disappearance, a suitcase containing human legs

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Speaker 1: first suitcase that shows up, so they find suitcase has legs,

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Speaker 1: over the following days. You know, they didn't know who

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Speaker 1: and like arms in another suitcase. But they did not

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Speaker 1: know who. He didn't have his license on him, he

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Speaker 1: had no identification on him in the suitcase. Authorities determined

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Speaker 1: that the victim was shot three times with a thirty

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Speaker 1: eight caliber Revolver, once in the head and twice in

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Speaker 1: the torso. After a composite sketch's release, the wife of

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Speaker 1: one of Bill's Navy friends recognizes him as the victim. Melanie,

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Speaker 1: This is interesting because I feel like you need to

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Speaker 1: kind of like hone into this. Melanie files for divorce

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Speaker 1: the same day his body is identified. So they find

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Speaker 1: the body parts, they don't know who it is, they

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Speaker 1: sketch it, they release the sketch, he becomes identified, and

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Speaker 1: the day that he's identified, she files for divorce.

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Speaker 2: You see, so like it was on the media, in

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Speaker 2: the media, Yeah, maybe, Like so it reminded her, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: crab file for divorce, been meaning to do that.

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Speaker 1: After authorities identified Bill's body, Melanie said that she was

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Speaker 1: devastated when police contacted her.

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Speaker 2: Speaking, Yeah, but devastated. Why because he's dead or because

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Speaker 2: he was found?

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Speaker 1: I know, She's like, damn it, I thought those suitcases

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Speaker 1: were gonna sink.

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Speaker 2: Why would a suitcase sink?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, because here's the thing. I think

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Speaker 1: people think that when you put body parts in the

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Speaker 1: suitcase and you throw it into the Chesapeake Bay, that

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Speaker 1: because it's heavy, that it will sink to the bottom.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't happen because what happens is the body

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Speaker 1: it like bloats, it like it becomes full of air

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Speaker 1: and stuff, and then it floats up to the top.

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Speaker 2: That was pretty good, just scription that's why.

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Speaker 1: That's why people put bricks and cement. They like when

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Speaker 1: they throw bodies into the water. They attached blocks.

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Speaker 2: She's an idiot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so she didn't do enough due diligence, is my point.

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Speaker 1: After authorities identified Bill's body, Melanie said that she was devastated,

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Speaker 1: and then speaking to ABC News, she recalled that she

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Speaker 1: burst into tears and probably saw for about an hour

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Speaker 1: or so. That is a quote if I how.

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Speaker 2: Long would you cry if I was found dead?

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Speaker 1: An hour or so?

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Speaker 2: How long would you cry if you killed me and

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Speaker 2: then they found.

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Speaker 1: Me dead two hours? However, the detective who interviewed her

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Speaker 1: afterward described a very different impression of her reaction. Detective

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Speaker 1: Ray Pickle told ABC News that although she appeared to

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Speaker 1: mimic crying, she never had a tear in her eye. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've seen that before where people cry like

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Speaker 1: they cry, but there's never they talk about that with housewives.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever like they'll say, like when housewives get emotional,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes there's no there's no actual tears.

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Speaker 2: It's not because of the botox.

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Speaker 1: No, because botox doesn't stop your tear ducks.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it stop your sweating? I don't. Isn't that what

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Speaker 2: people do.

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Speaker 1: In their armpits.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you get botox right in your eyes.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think. I don't think it affects your

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Speaker 1: tear ducks. I think if your truly emotional tears should

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Speaker 1: come out. The investigation develops. This is two thousand and

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Speaker 1: four to two thousand and five. Melanie claims that Bill

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Speaker 1: had a gambling problem and suggested that he may have

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Speaker 1: owed money to dangerous people, but no evidence supports this theory. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: a medical blanket in one of the suitcases is trace

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Speaker 1: back to the fertility clinic where Melanie works. Are you

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Speaker 1: keeping track of the evidence. I want you to make

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Speaker 1: a chart in your head and keep track of the evidence.

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Speaker 2: So far, it's the scale is tipping towards guilty.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so so far we have a thirty eight caliber

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Speaker 1: revolver that was used, and we've found a medical blanket

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Speaker 1: in the suitcases that apparently could be tracked back to

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Speaker 1: the fertility clinic where she works as a nurse.

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Speaker 2: Right, and it's tied. Yeah, it's not just I'm guessing

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Speaker 2: it's not just a blanket that looks like like a

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Speaker 2: standard blanket that's used at metal facilities. They probably, you know,

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Speaker 2: they somehow matched it to the same like it's the

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Speaker 2: same fabric, it's the same everything.

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Speaker 1: Or maybe it just was stamped with a fertility clinics name.

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Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, she was. She had a history of stealing

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Speaker 1: Then the investigators uncover that Melanie was having a two

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Speaker 1: year affair with doctor Bradley Miller, who was also married

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Speaker 1: to People magazine. Melanie told ABC News that she was

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Speaker 1: deeply in love with her coworker, but that they had

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Speaker 1: no plans to divorce their spouses because the children come first.

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Speaker 2: Didn't she file for divorce?

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Speaker 1: Well that was after he was found dead.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I always been married to a dead guy,

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Speaker 2: file for divorce.

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Speaker 1: Oxygen True Crime reported that the doctor had an alibi

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Speaker 1: for his whereabouts during the murder and allowed police to

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Speaker 1: secretly record his phone calls with Melanie.

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Speaker 2: What was his albi? Do we know? You know?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what his alibi was.

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Speaker 2: It was like I was with my other mistress. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let she testify.

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Speaker 1: Police learn that Melanie purchased a thirty eight caliber Revolver

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Speaker 1: days before Bill disappeared.

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Speaker 2: Guilty. Her timing is terrible, it really is again, I

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Speaker 2: mean the blankets, the gun, just before closing on a house,

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Speaker 2: and then he's dead and missing, and then files for

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Speaker 2: divorce when his sketches all over the media.

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Speaker 1: Right. Authorities also find Internet searches on her computer. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to guess? I'll just let you guess. What

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Speaker 1: do you think the internet searches are?

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Speaker 2: How many suitcases do I need to put a body

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Speaker 2: in it?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one to do it? Another one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to kill a man. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how to file for divorce after you've murdered your Osmond.

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Speaker 1: Yeah those are all good. I like this. Yours are better?

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Speaker 2: Well, what is it?

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Speaker 1: Undetectable poisons? And how to commit murder? How to delete

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Speaker 1: my search history? All right? Then, in June of two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five, Melanie is arrested and charged with first

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Speaker 1: degree murder. Then she doesn't go to trial until two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven, so her trial begins in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and seven. Okay, first of all, there is no smoking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is pretty some. This is some strong

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Speaker 2: circumstantial evident.

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Speaker 1: It is all. It is all circumstances, strong, strong, but

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Speaker 1: it's very strong. But it is all circumstantial. So let's

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Speaker 1: just go through the circumstantial evidence because.

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Speaker 2: Then there's more.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's more. Yeah, I want to. I want to

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Speaker 1: go through it because I made a list. So I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the list of circumstantial evidence, and

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Speaker 1: then I will tell you why I am not one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent convinced. Okay, all right, So the suitcases that

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Speaker 1: were used were tracked back to her own personal set.

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Speaker 2: They had her name tags on them.

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Speaker 1: They were engraved. No, it was a Michael Core's set.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but they traced the suitcases to being hers. They

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Speaker 2: could have been purchasing, you know, they could have looked

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Speaker 2: up the history. I don't know. She probably bought it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a duffel bag, Yes, you are, all right. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Okay, and you still have doubt that, I'm going.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, And she filed for divorce after his remains

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Speaker 2: Just before killing him and then not kill him.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would that would have been a better said.

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Speaker 2: She was like, this murder didn't work. I can never

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Speaker 1: She then there was also the long affair that she

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Speaker 2: Did you have an insurance policy?

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Speaker 1: No, I think she I but I'm saying people murder

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Speaker 1: for money. I don't think there was any financial motive.

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Speaker 1: I think she just wanted him gone.

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Speaker 2: Is there a reason why you wanted she wanted them gone?

443
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Speaker 2: To know I abused? Or was it just like she

444
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 2: had an affair and she just wants this one.

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Speaker 1: No, well, it talks about how she has an affair,

446
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Speaker 1: But if you watch the made for TV movie or

447
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Speaker 1: whatever it claims, it alleges that he was also having affairs,

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Speaker 1: like affairs with his students, like he was a womanizer.

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Speaker 2: Are there kids here? Two?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? They had two sons like.

451
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Speaker 2: Little kids miners or adult children.

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Speaker 1: No, they were miners at the time. She dropped them

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Speaker 1: off a daycare. Remember after she forged the prescription, dropped

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Speaker 1: it off at Walgreens, went to pick up the chloral hydrate,

455
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Speaker 1: and then she took her kids to daycare. The state

456
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Speaker 1: received evidence by anonymous communications pointing to people other than Melanie.

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Speaker 2: As all coming from the same phone number as Bill's murderer.

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Speaker 1: The state alleged that these anonymous she calls, She's.

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Speaker 2: Like, Hi, this Melani. I mean, this is anonymous. I'd

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Speaker 2: like to report a murder.

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Speaker 1: You won't even let me get through this because this

462
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Speaker 1: is just stupid.

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Speaker 2: Then why are we even going?

464
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Speaker 1: She did it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, keep going.

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Speaker 1: The state alleged that these anonymous communications were further evidence

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Speaker 1: of the defendant's guilt because she, or someone acting on

468
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Speaker 1: her behalf was their source. So that's okay. So that

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Speaker 1: was a long list of the circumstantial evidence against her.

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Speaker 1: When she goes to trial in April of two thousand

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Speaker 1: and seven, she is convicted of first degree murder and

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Speaker 1: weapons related charges. She is found not guilty on four

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Speaker 1: additional counts involving anonymous communications.

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Speaker 2: I guess they could never and littering in the Chesapeake Bay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, littering. Let me talk about one thing, because this

476
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Speaker 1: is why I'm only at ninety eight percent, And I

477
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Speaker 1: know you think that's ridiculous. It is ridiculous because of

478
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Speaker 1: all the circumstantial evidence, and she clearly is not bright,

479
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Speaker 1: and she did not do her due diligence. She's buying

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Speaker 1: suitcases and guns on camera. She's got caught driving his

481
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Speaker 1: car and leaving it.

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Speaker 2: The prescriptions everything.

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Speaker 1: I'm just baffled by this. She gave him a sedative, right,

484
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Speaker 1: because he's a big guy.

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Speaker 2: He falls the circumstantial evidence, right, he falls asleep.

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Speaker 1: Whatever. They're in their apartment. They're at their apartment. That's

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Speaker 1: the last place he has seen and that's the last

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Speaker 1: place he picks up the phone, so we know that

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Speaker 1: he's physically located in their apartment. Okay. She shoots him

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Speaker 1: three times, once in the head and twice in the chest,

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Speaker 1: so he's dead. They're okay again, they're in their apartment.

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Speaker 1: She dismembers the man in their apartment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna guess. There's no signs of blood or apartment.

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Speaker 1: No forensic evidence found in their apartment, nothing.

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Speaker 2: So we know what happened in an apartment If there's

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Speaker 2: no evidence, how do we know it happened in the apartment.

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Speaker 2: You're assuming unless you have a reason to think that.

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Speaker 1: I'm a assuming because it said that, according to like

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Speaker 1: his cell phone data, he picked up the phone in

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Speaker 1: their apartment at like four and five pm, and then

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Speaker 1: he missed to call at six. Well, how does she

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Speaker 1: where is the body she dismembers? First of all, I

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Speaker 1: cannot think of anything more vile and gruesome than dismembering

504
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Speaker 1: a large man's body. She is a small, petite woman.

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Speaker 1: She shoots him three times and then she dismembers him

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Speaker 1: with her two kids there.

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Speaker 2: How do you know the two kids were there?

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Speaker 1: I don't know the two kids were there, but I

509
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Speaker 1: don't know where they would have been.

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Speaker 2: You insert all these facts and then you say you

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Speaker 2: have doubt.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know the kids. I don't know if

513
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Speaker 1: the kids were there or not. I do know for

514
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: a fact that his body was dismembered. It was chopped

515
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: up into His legs are cut off, and his arms

516
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: are cut off, and his body parts were drained of blood.

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Speaker 1: How does someone do that? It has to be inside

518
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Speaker 1: her apartment. Where else could she have done this? She

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00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: didn't do it in the neighbor's house. She didn't do

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Speaker 1: it in the backyard.

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Speaker 2: She didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Had to have been in their home. Yeah, and you're

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Speaker 1: telling me I have watched every forensic file and all

524
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Speaker 1: you have to do. You get a little paper cut

525
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: and you squirt some luminol and it's going to light up.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Does she have more plastic trash bags that she laid out?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, you got it, okay. First of all, he if

530
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Speaker 2: he died this way, he died without any any trauma,

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Speaker 2: like like flesh and blood everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, I would assume there's flesh.

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Speaker 2: She she shot? Yeah, I know, but he's shot. But

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Speaker 2: my thinking is, let's say, okay, but with the medication

535
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: he passes out. He's okay at a commission. Now she

536
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: can roll out the plastic bags, get it all ready,

537
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: shoot him? Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: How do you dismember somebody and not There is not

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Speaker 1: a single drop of mine in that house.

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Speaker 2: The only thing she did right.

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Speaker 1: And the body was drained of blood. Where did the

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Speaker 1: blood go?

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00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: And we know it was drained of blood before? It

544
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Speaker 2: wasn't just like it naturally.

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Speaker 1: All I read in every article I read it was

546
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Speaker 1: that the body was dismembered, It was cut into three pieces,

547
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: put in three suitcases, and the body was drained of blood. Yeah,

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00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: And you're telling me that there is not a single

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00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: ounce of forensic evidence against this woman that when you

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00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: scuore luminol in her apartment, it doesn't light up like

551
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: the fourth of July. How is that possible? There isn't

552
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: one drop somewhere that she missed. And how did she

553
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: dismember him? She had us a chainsaw?

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00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd tell you how. She's a nurse. She probably

555
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: had access to medical equipment.

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Speaker 1: And how gross is that? Oh? It's just how how?

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Speaker 1: And also she's a small woman, she's petite, and he's

558
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Speaker 1: a big guy. I think he was over six foot.

559
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: He's like two fifty or something. This is a big guy.

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Speaker 1: How does she carry the body parts? And she puts

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Speaker 1: them into the suit cases?

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00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: And then how does she get the suit But now

563
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: I'm starrying to wish I was a bigger guy, because

564
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: then you'd have more of a tough time.

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00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: Oh, you would be easy, It would be very easy

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Speaker 1: duffel bag. Yes, but I'm just saying that is the

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Speaker 1: only thing that is very mind boggling. I understand the

568
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: loads and loads of circumstantial evidence against her. It's just

569
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: completely stacked up. I mean, it's ridiculous. There's so much

570
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: of it, but the fact that this man was dismembered

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Speaker 1: inside their apartment put in three suitcases. She is a small,

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00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: petite woman, and there is not and there is not

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Speaker 1: a drop of blood within that apartment. Either she had

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Speaker 1: some type of accomplice that helped her, yeah, or I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just I don't understand it. That's the

576
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: only doubt that is in my mind.

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00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. I don't know, but that's not

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Speaker 2: enough for me to say she didn't do it. Okay,

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00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: So so what she outsmarted you she had plastic lining everywhere,

580
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: or she drove him to a park and then dismembered

581
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Speaker 2: him and shot him. Who knows.

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Speaker 1: She's in the middle of a park.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know either.

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00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm saying, but it's if so okay,

586
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field, you know what I'm saying.

587
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: She took him out remotely somewhere and did the deed.

588
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: Who knows. But that's not enough to say she didn't

589
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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying she didn't do it. Well, there's the

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Speaker 1: two percent that is I just don't understand the forerends,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how the body is dismembered by this small,

593
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: petite woman and the body is drained of blood and

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00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: there's not an ounce of so much.

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00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: Other evidence that is too coincidental, way too coincidental. That

596
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: shows her intent, her behavior that it's like, okay, so

597
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: she got this one right.

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00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: How did she get the hardest part correct? But the

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00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: easy part of like not buying a suitcase and leaving

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00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: the tag on it.

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00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: And because she probably focused on this, she probably thought

602
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: this is important. I need to not have blood everywhere.

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00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: She didn't think about anything else.

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Speaker 1: So since two thousand and seven, Melanie has been serving

605
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: her sentence at EDNA Mayhon Correctional Facility in Clinton, New Jersey.

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00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, and appeal challenging how computer evidence was

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00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: handled is denied. Then, in September of twenty twenty, Melanie

608
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: did an interview on ABC's twenty twenty and maintains her innocence.

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Speaker 1: She said that she is afraid to hope for release.

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Speaker 1: Then in twenty twenty two, a Lifetime movie about the case,

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Speaker 1: titled The Suitcase Killer The Melanie McGuire Story is released

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Speaker 1: and later becomes available on Netflix. That's what I watched,

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Speaker 1: So if anybody is interesting, I'm interested in watching it.

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Speaker 1: It's currently on Netflix. Again. It's called The Suitcase Killer

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Speaker 1: The Melanie McGuire story. I'm not a big fan of

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Speaker 1: recreations because whenever they do recreations, they always they make

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Speaker 1: it like they change facts.

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Speaker 2: And they did that in it might be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this part's boring, let's highlight that a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: I don't like that. I like documentaries because I feel

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Speaker 1: like at least they do a better job of sticking

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Speaker 1: to the facts, interviewing people who were involved, showing.

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Speaker 2: Bodies that watched. Yeah, they brought in like like you're

624
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: like the they changed the whole timeline, like the housekeeper

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00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: is dead, she's in the entire film.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't like that. I was like, I can't

627
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Speaker 1: believe that they made this.

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00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: Whole and they made her a key part too, like

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Speaker 2: she was helping the.

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Speaker 1: Kids or driving them places. Yeah, she had died years before,

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Speaker 1: Like they changed the whole timeline of I know. That

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00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: bothered me to no end, But anyway, anyway, it's called

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Speaker 1: The Suitcase Killer. So if you're interested, and again, if

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Speaker 1: anyone has any more information about Melanie Maguire and how

635
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: she got the body into the suitcases and did not

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00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: leave any blood, DNA, forensics anything in that apartment. Please

637
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: let me know because I would love to hear your theories.

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00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: So because that is just keeping me up at night.

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00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: It apparently only wants to know how to avoid having

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00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: blood everywhere.

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00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: Know how this ding dong who made all of these

642
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: mistakes got that part right. That's what I want to know.

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00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: So if anyone has any ideas, please let me know.

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00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,560
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00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,040
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Speaker 1: for listening. Please tell your friends and family and we

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Speaker 2: Petition for divorce not murder that was your.

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Speaker 1: In thought, yes, and again until death newest part just

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Speaker 1: a friendly reminder that divorce is always the better options.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,