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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Thursday edition, Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buck,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hit you with a couple of good

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Speaker 1: news stories because we've been talking about all the awful

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Speaker 1: response that we have seen across the United.

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Speaker 2: States to Israel. One. Did you see this story?

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Speaker 1: The Washington Post aka Democracy dies in darkness itself is

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Speaker 1: having to fire two hundred and forty employees, fire or

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Speaker 1: layoff two hundred and forty employees, which is a huge

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Speaker 1: percentage of their overall workforce, and they are on track

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Speaker 1: to lose one hundred million.

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Speaker 2: Dollars this year.

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Speaker 1: They have lost five hundred thousand subscribers in the last year. They,

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Speaker 1: I believe almost more than any brand out there. Maybe

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Speaker 1: CNN is in that running have destroyed their brand by

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Speaker 1: going fully anti Trump, anti MAGA and in the process

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Speaker 1: have absolutely destroyed their brand. I wanted to mention that

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Speaker 1: that story is out there. Also a couple of other

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Speaker 1: things that are news stories. Robert Menendez being charged senator

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Speaker 1: from New Jersey with a superseding indictment that now accuses

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Speaker 1: him of being an agent of Egypt while he was

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Speaker 1: the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Commission.

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Speaker 3: So this is a Pharah violation. And now it's so interesting,

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Speaker 3: just a quick digression here. Everybody Parah used to be

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Speaker 3: a thing that was on the books, but nobody really

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Speaker 3: ever got charged with it. If you ran a foul

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Speaker 3: sign up after the fact and maybe you'd pay a

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Speaker 3: fine or something. It wasn't because everything changed in the

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Speaker 3: Trump era. They decided that Paul Maniford and others needed

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Speaker 3: to be charged with pharah as like a felony, as

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Speaker 3: a serious crime. And then so then they established that

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Speaker 3: And then with Hunter Biden, they ran out the Statute

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Speaker 3: of Limitations on Pharaoh, which he clearly was in violation of.

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Speaker 3: And now because they want to get Menendez, clearly they're

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Speaker 3: charging him with Pharah violations. Isn't it interesting how that? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So we'll see whether the pressure on him ratchets

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Speaker 1: up to resign. Maybe it'll even be impeached since this

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Speaker 1: is effectively also now a bribery charge because he's acting

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Speaker 1: on behalf of Egypt while the chair of the Senate

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Speaker 1: Foreign Relations Committee. That is that's pretty wild to think about.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: We talked about how frustrated we are by the way

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Speaker 1: that so many American colleges and universe. He's both the

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Speaker 1: leadership and the students have responded. President of the University

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Speaker 1: of Florida. I like to look for responses and think, well,

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Speaker 1: this is super encouraging. Here is what Ben Sass, former

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Speaker 1: senator from Nebraska now the president of the University of

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Speaker 1: Florida said, And I would encourage you to go read

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Speaker 1: this entire statement. But here's the open buck. I will

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Speaker 1: not tiptoe around this simple fact. And there is no

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Speaker 1: defense for terrorism. This shouldn't be hard. Sadly, too many

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Speaker 1: people in elite academia have been so weakened by their

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Speaker 1: moral confusion that when they see videos of raped women,

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Speaker 1: hear of a beheaded baby, or learn of a grandmother

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Speaker 1: murdered in her home, the first reaction of some is

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Speaker 1: to quote, provide context and try to blame the raped women,

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Speaker 1: beheaded baby, or the murdered grandmother and other grotesque cases.

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Speaker 1: They express simple support for the terrorist. It isn't just wrong,

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Speaker 1: it's sickening, it's dehumanizing, it's beneath people called to educate

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Speaker 1: our next generation of Americans. And then this is the

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Speaker 1: end that I think is also important. It's possible. He

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Speaker 1: says that anti Israeli protests will come to the University

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Speaker 1: of Florida's campus. I've told our police chief and administration,

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Speaker 1: this university always has two foundational commitments. We will protect

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Speaker 1: our students and we will protect speech.

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Speaker 2: This is always true.

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Speaker 1: We will protect anyone from violence if there should be

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Speaker 1: a protest. But they're not going to stop the protest. Essentially, Buck, Bravo.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you have not got kids yet, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I sit around them. I'm going to have a sixteen

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Speaker 1: year old in January, just got his learners permit, sophomore

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Speaker 1: in high school. He's going to be off in college

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Speaker 1: a couple of years. When I see what the Ivy

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Speaker 1: League is putting out there, Buck, for generations people aspired, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I hope my kids are smart enough, talented enough to

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let, as I think should happen, my sons

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Speaker 1: pick their schools. But increasingly, when I see comments like

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Speaker 1: the University of Florida and Ben Sas And look, let.

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Speaker 2: Me also say this.

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Speaker 1: Some people are gonna say, well, I didn't agree with

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Speaker 1: this position that he had when he was a senator.

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Speaker 2: Stop.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's childlike to presume that you're going to agree

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Speaker 1: with everything that everyone in public life says. Stop being juvenile.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is incredibly important. The statement that he

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Speaker 1: put out, it's one hundred percent right. It's whatevery university,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, should be putting out and standing behind.

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Speaker 3: But he's not gonna.

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Speaker 1: That's so rare, right that I'm not going to have

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Speaker 1: my kids to go to a school like UF, almost

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Speaker 1: more than I want them to go to a school like.

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Speaker 2: Harvard, because of what the institution itself now stands for.

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Speaker 3: Well, the issue, you have to remember, the Palestinian issue,

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Speaker 3: gets folded in with all of the other victimized classes

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Speaker 3: out there. So Palestinians, you know, if you were creating

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Speaker 3: a matrix, if you will, of the different oppressed peoples,

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Speaker 3: you know it would be it's the trans community, it's

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Speaker 3: the you know, Native American community, it's the you know,

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Speaker 3: go everybody you can think of all the oppression pyramid,

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Speaker 3: the oppression pyramid, and the Palestinians are put into that

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Speaker 3: oppression pyramid. And I think for a long time people

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Speaker 3: have recognized one of the reasons why there's been such

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Speaker 3: a very it's a very useful cudgel, if you will.

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Speaker 3: The Palestinian issue is a very you school tool for

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Speaker 3: anti Semites. This is where, you know, for for people

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Speaker 3: who are anti true anti Semites on a new level,

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Speaker 3: they will point to the Palestinian issue to say, we'll

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Speaker 3: see their animosity toward Zionism, or their animosity toward the

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Speaker 3: Jewish state. They'll try to usually usually they'll try to

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Speaker 3: say it's not actually just individual Jewish people. Is because

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Speaker 3: it's an apartheid state, or is because it's a state

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Speaker 3: that is is oppressing brown Palestinian Muslims. Remember it's fascinating clay.

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Speaker 3: Muslims in the Western context are often also treated as minorities,

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Speaker 3: even though Islam is a religion of a double billion people. Yes, so,

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Speaker 3: so you know the notion of Islam as this as

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Speaker 3: this faith tradition that should be thought of as a

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Speaker 3: pressed mind. You know, it's appressed minority in some cases,

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Speaker 3: but only when it suits those who are obsessed with

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Speaker 3: this kind of thinking, because in reality, Islam is a

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: seen these clips go viral. BLM Chicago basically cheered on

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Speaker 1: Hamas and you think to yourself, wait a minute, how

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Speaker 1: does a BLM, you know, United States and theory movement

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Speaker 1: focused on Black Lives Mattering somehow get drawn into Israel

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Speaker 1: versus Palestine. And the idea is this is all a

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Speaker 1: part of critical race theory and the oppression Olympics. And

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Speaker 1: I believe we have a clip of one of the

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Speaker 1: co founders of Black Lives Matter saying essentially that Palestinians

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Speaker 1: are are victims and Israel needs to be wiped off

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Speaker 1: the face of the earth. This is Patrice Culors, I

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Speaker 1: believe is her name. Buck, listen to this of her,

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Speaker 1: which I think will tie in for many people out there.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, this is all one global ridiculous the West

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Speaker 1: is Awful movement, and they decide who is oppressed and

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Speaker 1: who isn't, and then the people who are oppressed in

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Speaker 1: their opinion, can never do evil no matter what.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Palestine is our generation in South Africa. And if if

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Speaker 4: imperiless project that's called Israel.

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Speaker 3: We're doomed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there you go, there's the connection. This is

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Speaker 1: not they didn't hide it, but a lot of people

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Speaker 1: you could never say a single word of criticism about

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Speaker 1: anything that Black Lives Matter was advocating for. But it

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Speaker 1: is a profoundly I really believe this evil group in

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Speaker 2: Also with Hamas the.

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Speaker 1: Fact that you would see these organizations connected, I think

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Speaker 1: about this buck. In some ways, it's morally clarifying because

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Speaker 1: if you will defend terrorists, then we know where you stand.

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Speaker 1: If you defend the murder of innocent children and babies,

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Speaker 1: then you have no moral high ground at all with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's exposing a lot of the rot at

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Speaker 2: Right here correct?

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Speaker 3: How could you see anything that is more you know,

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Speaker 3: a second. This isn't just about, you know, the usual

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Speaker 3: oppression olympics that we talk about in this country. This

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Speaker 3: And it was all the thing about what happened to

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Speaker 3: your clay is the decision was made by Hamas to

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Speaker 3: be as vicious and vile as possible. Yes, it wasn't that.

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Speaker 3: This was you know, you and I are both history guys.

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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes they'll talk about, you know, a city

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Speaker 3: you know people, there's excesses and rape, loot, pillage, all

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Speaker 3: these things that happened because of the of the bloodlust

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Speaker 3: this for weeks now they're even saying they've been pregnant

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Speaker 3: for two years. Yeah, and they made the active decision

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Speaker 3: how anybody, anyone with any moral compass can have any

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've always thought BLM was a terrible organization

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Speaker 3: that made everything worse for everybody. That BLM in so

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Speaker 3: many instances is showing that it lacks any moral company.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's just it's totally unsurprising, right, I Mean,

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Speaker 3: this is who they this is what BLM is. BLM

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Speaker 3: is inversion of morality.

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Speaker 1: I think it's not surprising to us. I think there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people in America who this sudden

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Speaker 1: moment has caused them to question because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of legacy people. Buck, you know, you voted Democrat for

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Speaker 1: the direction of the business of the party. You might

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Speaker 3: Great day to have a big live event, Clay, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you and Tudor are going to be doing

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt now you and Buck are going to

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Speaker 5: have all the details for you on where everything stands,

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Speaker 5: and we're hoping that tomorrow is a pretty calm day.

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Speaker 5: We're hearing some rumblings of there may be some kerfuffles

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Speaker 5: around the country, so we're trying to make sure that

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Speaker 5: we get all of the news there for you when

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Speaker 5: we're there in South Bend.

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Speaker 2: This is the.

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Speaker 3: for those of you who are in the South Bend area,

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Speaker 3: and you can still get tickets at Clay and Buck

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Speaker 3: great radio host up in South Bend, will be there.

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Speaker 2: Tutor will be there.

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Speaker 3: I'll be there obviously a lot of news to cover,

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Speaker 3: a lot of discussion that we have to have on

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Speaker 3: a whole range of issues. And if I could just

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Speaker 3: switch gears for one second, Tutor, do you see this

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Speaker 3: poll Fox News poll that has Biden Biden beating Trump

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Speaker 3: in the Fox News poll by a little bit, but

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Speaker 3: losing to DeSantis and Nicky Haley? Was this a shock

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Speaker 3: to you? What do you make of this one?

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not totally shocked by that, because I

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Speaker 5: think that the country as a whole, they don't necessarily

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Speaker 5: follow Trump's his rallies as much as they follow what's

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Speaker 5: going on with the folks that are going on Fox News,

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Speaker 5: to be honest, and what's going on in these debates.

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Speaker 5: So we sort of kind of anticipated that there could

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Speaker 5: be a jump for these other candidates if Trump were

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Speaker 5: to stay out of these debates for two if he

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Speaker 5: weren't out there in the mainstream with these folks. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's kind of what we're seeing. People are going, Okay, well,

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Speaker 5: we're seeing him at these rallies but we're not seeing

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Speaker 5: him engage with the GOP engage with the candidates. I

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Speaker 5: think people are kind of tired of that. They want

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Speaker 5: to see him engage or they're going to say, hey,

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Speaker 5: I see Nikki Haley very serious out there right now

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Speaker 5: about what's going on in the world. And Nicki Haley

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Speaker 5: is an interesting candidate for a lot of women because

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Speaker 5: that's a demographic that we have struggled with, and a

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Speaker 5: lot of women go well, I like her answer on abortion,

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Speaker 5: I like her answer on foreign policy, and I think

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Speaker 5: that DeSantis is the same. People are starting to go, well,

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Speaker 5: you know, if we're not going to see Trump come

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Speaker 5: in and engage with these other candidates, we're going to

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Speaker 5: take a look at the candidates who are out there

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Speaker 5: engaging with each other.

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Speaker 1: Tutor, do you feel optimistic about Republicans winning in Michigan

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four? I mean, I know we're sitting

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Speaker 1: at thirteen months out, but what kind of groundswell, what

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Speaker 1: kind of response are you seeing. Joe Biden certainly way underwater,

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Speaker 1: I think I saw in recent polls in terms of

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Speaker 1: his popularity in Michigan. Would you bet on Republicans winning

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Speaker 1: the state of Michigan right now, thirteen months out, based

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Speaker 1: on what you're.

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Speaker 5: Seeing, I wouldn't bet on it. I mean, I think

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Speaker 5: Michigan is always going to be a tough state. I

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Speaker 5: think that we have to get a lot more people

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Speaker 5: to go out to the polls. They are very good

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Speaker 5: at getting people out to the polls. I think the

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Speaker 5: Democrats are going to have an interesting year in Michigan though,

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Speaker 5: because we already have quite a bit of conversation about

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Speaker 5: what's going on in Israel, and if that continues, that's

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Speaker 5: going to be a tough balance for Democrats in the

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Speaker 5: state of Michigan because we have a very large part

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Speaker 5: of our population that supports the Palestinians and the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off there, because we talked

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Speaker 1: about this yesterday and I got the county where Dearborn

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Speaker 1: was in wrong, and we've got a big audience right

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Speaker 1: now in Michigan. Could you believe when we saw that

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Speaker 1: huge rally in Dearborn, Michigan where they were saying Hamas

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Speaker 1: is not a terrorist organization and basically that Israel is

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Speaker 1: the bad guy. I mean, that happened in the state

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Speaker 5: Right, And so you have Gretchen Whitmer who waffles on

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Speaker 5: whether or not she's going to come out with a statement.

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Speaker 6: She just talks about.

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Speaker 5: The region and all of that, and really you have

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Speaker 5: to understand that in the state of Michigan, she's doing

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Speaker 5: that because she's a politician. She's not a leader, and

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Speaker 5: so she's looking at this politically. And that's what a

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Speaker 5: lot of our politicians, especially on the Democrats side, right now, they're.

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Speaker 6: Confused, what do we do? How do we rally the base?

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Speaker 5: Because the base is very split on this issue, and

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Speaker 5: this issue doesn't seem to be going away.

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Speaker 6: So I think Michigan is.

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Speaker 5: Very much in play for Republicans and Democrats are struggling

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Speaker 5: to figure it out. Republicans are still struggling to figure

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Speaker 5: it out. We've got to get people to go out

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Speaker 5: and vote, and there's methods that we have to use

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Speaker 5: to do that that you and I have talked about

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Speaker 5: before that Republicans are just not using right now.

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Speaker 6: But twenty four is our opportunity.

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Speaker 3: on with Israel, Famosa, the news of the past week,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has been has been weighing in and this now,

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Speaker 3: as you know, the the Democrat media, it's not that

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Speaker 3: they don't give Trump the benefit of the doubt when

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Speaker 3: for attack. That's that's always the way that they see

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Speaker 3: all things that Trump says. And we'll get into this.

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Speaker 3: Clay and I are having a moment here remembering a

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Speaker 3: conversation we had with the President at mar A Lago.

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Speaker 3: But here he is talking about the terrorist group Hesbellah,

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Speaker 3: and this is getting a lot of attention right now.

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Speaker 3: Play sixteen two nights ago.

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Speaker 7: I read all of Biden's security people. Can you imagine

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Speaker 7: national defense people, and they said, gee, I hope Hezbola

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Speaker 7: doesn't attack from the north because that's the most vulnerable spot.

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Speaker 3: I said, what a minute. You know, hesbel is very smart.

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Speaker 7: They're all very smart. The press doesn't like when they

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Speaker 7: say it, but heswell, they're very smart, and they have

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Speaker 7: a national defense minister or somebody say I hope Hesbola

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Speaker 7: doesn't attack us from the north. So the following morning

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Speaker 7: they attacked. They might not have been doing it, but

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Speaker 7: if you listen to this jerk, you would attack from

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Speaker 7: the north because he said that's our weak spot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, on the national security analysis side of this,

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Speaker 3: I don't think everyone knows that Hesbela has missiles and

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Speaker 3: can attack from the north. That's not some you know,

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Speaker 3: state secret or anything that was being talked about. But

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Speaker 3: the part that's getting all the attention, Clay is Trump

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Speaker 3: referring to Hesbela as smart. And this reminds me of

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Speaker 3: when he referred to Putin as a genius. He was

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Speaker 3: talking to us. This is how Trump talks, or this

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Speaker 3: is how he speaks. When he's speaking about, you know, opponents,

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Speaker 3: he will make reference sometimes to their capabilities, not in

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Speaker 3: a way that he's aligning with them. But you know,

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Speaker 3: he'll say, like, she very tough opponent, very smart guy.

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Speaker 3: That's not the same as saying we should run America

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Speaker 3: like Shijin Ping runs America. Right, But they immediately.

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Speaker 2: Jump on this.

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Speaker 3: He's saying, you know, Hesbelah is a tough and determined enemy.

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Speaker 3: This is like Trump's way of saying it. Instead they're saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: he's praising them. Clearly, Donald Trump does not praise, does

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Speaker 3: not like, has no affinity for Hezbolah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an unfair criticism. And Trump regularly, as

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Speaker 1: a negotiator, pulls himself away from his position and contemplates

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Speaker 1: things from the opponent's perspective. We do this all the

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Speaker 1: time on the show. How often buck do we stop

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, let's think about this.

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Speaker 2: If we were.

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Speaker 1: Advising Democrats right now, here is the perspective that we

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Speaker 1: would analyze. This is the angle that maybe we would attack,

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Speaker 1: or we do it on behalf of Republican candidates without

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Speaker 1: of good negotiators do, of putting himself in the minds

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Speaker 1: what he's saying is, don't give away your game plan

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Speaker 1: to the opponent and encourage them in some way because

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Speaker 1: they're smart enough and sophisticated enough to take hues and

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Speaker 1: use that against you.

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Speaker 2: And so, yeah, it's one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 1: And the same thing happened when we sat down with

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Speaker 1: it was a genius move by Putin. He's putting himself

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Speaker 1: in the mind of the adversary and analyzing their position.

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Speaker 1: If you were playing chess against someone and they made

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Speaker 1: could describe it as a genius move. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you want them to beat you. It doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: you're on their side. It's just that you acknowledge, sitting

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the table, that your adversary

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Speaker 1: is not an imbecile, and that having stupidity, I think

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Speaker 1: and infirmity and inability to be the most zealous advocate

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Speaker 1: the strongest point of view for the American side, our

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Speaker 1: opponents recognize weakness. It doesn't mean you're rooting for the

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Speaker 1: president to be weak. It's a legitimate acknowledgment of the

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Speaker 1: I think this kind of criticism is frankly dumb, and

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Speaker 1: I think anybody engaged in it is actually not being

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Speaker 1: honest to their audience when they're trying to grab a

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Speaker 1: clip and be like, oh Trump loves hes ball.

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Speaker 2: I no, he doesn't stop. It's stupid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the same guy they were criticizing for the Muslim band, right,

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Speaker 3: remember that, And now he's a heads ball. It's certain

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Speaker 3: now he's a huge fan of terrorism, mediotic. But here

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Speaker 3: Trump also was saying something that looms in the background

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Speaker 3: of all this about Iran and Iran's possible role. This

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Speaker 7: And what a difference a president makes, isn't it incredible?

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Speaker 7: Just a president?

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Speaker 3: What a difference.

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Speaker 7: The savage attacks on ISIL happened for three reasons. Biden

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Speaker 7: loosened my tough sanctions on Iran and allowed them to

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Speaker 7: sell massive amounts of oil, making them eighty billion dollars

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Speaker 7: a year. The US then gave Iran just a few

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Speaker 7: weeks ago six billion dollars as ransom. Oney. You know that, right,

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Speaker 7: under my leadership, aren was weak and broke and desperate

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Speaker 7: for love. They wanted love.

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Speaker 6: They were weak and they.

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Speaker 7: Were broke, and now they're rich as hell and they're

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Speaker 7: probably ninety days away from having a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 3: Play Biden foreign policy is going to be People are

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Speaker 3: talking about the Afghanistan withdrawal, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and now the

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Speaker 3: situation with Israel. Biden Ford in policy is going to

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Speaker 3: be a real point of weakness, I think for him

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, and Trump knows.

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Speaker 2: It no doubt.

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Speaker 1: We should mention also that there are reports that we

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Speaker 1: have frozen the six billion dollars that Iran was supposed

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Speaker 1: to get, which is in some way, and recognition that

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Speaker 1: Iran has been involved potentially in what is going on

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Speaker 1: with a moss that's been reported. That's the right decision,

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Speaker 1: but it should have happened immediately. That's the latest