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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today's guest is white tail killer

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Speaker 1: Alex Gilstrom. Alright, folks, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: which is brought to you by First Life. You might

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Speaker 1: notice that this is not the voice of Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: He's off at the International Ventriloquist Convention, so I guess

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Speaker 1: he's got a new hobby or something. Anyway, my guest

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Speaker 1: today is Alex Gilstrom. Alex not only works for white

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Speaker 1: tail properties, but he's also an accomplisht outdoor writer who

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Speaker 1: hails from Michigan but now lives in Illinois. He's one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite people in the hunting industry for a

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Speaker 1: lot of reasons, but the main reasons are that he's

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Speaker 1: just got a great attitude. He's such a good dude.

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Speaker 1: He hunts his ass off, and he gets it done

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Speaker 1: on both private and public land every year. I had

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Speaker 1: a great time chatting with him on this episode where

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Speaker 1: we get really deep into the weeds on hunting the

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Speaker 1: rut and how to avoid the common mistakes that we

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Speaker 1: all eventually make at one point or another, is we

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Speaker 1: try to take advantage of this sweet, sweet month of November.

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Speaker 1: Alex gilst from how you doing, buddy, Oh man, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing well. It's uh, it's upon us. We're we are looking.

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Speaker 1: We are entering the end of October into the earth

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Speaker 1: into early November, and I can't believe it's finally here.

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Speaker 1: I know it. I caught you just in the nick

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Speaker 1: of time, because you are packed up and heading out

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Speaker 1: tonight where you headed to. I wish I was packed up,

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Speaker 1: but better if I pause, I'll stop filling into blanks

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Speaker 1: for your life. Then you're totally unprepared. But you're still

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Speaker 1: heading out tonight. Absolutely, that's that's exactly right. But by

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Speaker 1: by tonight I will be packed up and I will

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Speaker 1: in the truck, will be headed west. That's a that's

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Speaker 1: a fact. Yeah, headed west to where South Dakota. Yep,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a trip I've been doing with with

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Speaker 1: some buddy's for the last gosh, I don't know, six

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Speaker 1: seven years now, I think seven years. And it's just

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Speaker 1: a it's a great time. I mean, I know you

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Speaker 1: hunt the dakotas a lot and you have. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about it a lot, but it's it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: special place. I mean, it's just it's so different than

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Speaker 1: where we grew up. Obviously, you in Minnesota, Mea, and Michigan,

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Speaker 1: it's like a lot of timber, a lot of farm country,

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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, a lot of hills. Now

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Speaker 1: where I live in western Illinois, there's a lot. It's

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Speaker 1: a lot of hill country. And that's probably one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I love about it so much. Is

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Speaker 1: just so different, like the terrain, everything about it. It's

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Speaker 1: just open country. Um, you know, r bottom slews, tall grasses,

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Speaker 1: things like that. It's just, um, it's a fun time

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Speaker 1: and it's a very fun place, and it's a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: time to be there because obviously as movement increases and

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Speaker 1: it's a really really cool, cool area and regional hunt.

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Speaker 1: And it tells you here, I should say, it tells

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Speaker 1: the listeners how much you you value that hunt and

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Speaker 1: how much you want to go because you're leaving Illinois,

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Speaker 1: you know, right on the Cussba Halloween here to go

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Speaker 1: to South Dakota. But those you know, we've we've talked

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Speaker 1: about on on this podcast quite a bit. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's been covered a lot, but those western Ish white

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Speaker 1: tail hunts, they're just freaking cool. They're just they're just

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Speaker 1: a different thing. Yeah, if I was in complete control,

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Speaker 1: I probably would have made this. I probably would be

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Speaker 1: ending the trip right about now and coming back. But

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Speaker 1: you know, it's you only get so many deer camps

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Speaker 1: and so many times, so much time with your buddies

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Speaker 1: for this? Um, I'm actually taking my dad. It's his

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Speaker 1: first it's gonna be his first time he's hunted out there,

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Speaker 1: so I'm really excited um to take him. He retired

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Speaker 1: it'll it'll be a lot of fun. Be a little

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Speaker 1: vague about this. You don't have to be too specific,

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Speaker 1: but what what part of the state are you? Are

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Speaker 1: you headed towards? Um, it would be the south central Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you're are you are you bumping up on mule

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Speaker 1: deer territory where you go? Yep, there's definitely things around

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Speaker 1: and I do haven't any deer tag so it'll do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's well and you've you've hunted them out there too.

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Speaker 1: It's it's weird. It's always sounds good, right like that.

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Speaker 1: The sales pitch is always good where it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: either or you know, you have either either tag the species.

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Speaker 1: But the kicker is it's like very rarely are you

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Speaker 1: you kind of have to like set out that day

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Speaker 1: of like I'm either going to hunt mule deer or

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Speaker 1: times if you're targeting, like you know, a good representation.

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Speaker 1: the white tails. You gotta go to kind of the

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Speaker 1: well I can see so much. I'm just gonna keep

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Speaker 1: the same thing too. It's like, if you've got a

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Speaker 1: this time, like the next ten days, ten to fourteen

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Speaker 1: me is maybe sacrificing a morning or a couple of

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Speaker 1: you know that lesson. You know how this goes. When

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Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time on public land and

427
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 1: private land and you just hunt wherever you can, you

428
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 1: just realize like you have to make that happen because

429
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 1: you don't know what's coming and you don't know who's

430
00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 1: gonna walk in, or who's gonna drive in, or how

431
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: many people are going to show up. And that's that's

432
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 1: another thing I want to talk to you about is

433
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Speaker 1: I think the one of the biggest mistakes we make

434
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 1: for the RUT is we we focus on the dear behavior.

435
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: The books are gonna get dumb, They're gonna be chasing everywhere,

436
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna give me a shot. What we don't think

437
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 1: about is the people behavior and the added pressure. And

438
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 1: this is you know, public lands obvious, but private land,

439
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, just think about the difference of

440
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 1: you know, in your home state of Michigan, when you

441
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,199
Speaker 1: drive out on October tenth or something, is he trucks

442
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 1: out and pulled into field drives and whatever. But think about,

443
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,919
Speaker 1: you know, November two, third, fourth, how many more you

444
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: see like this. It's a different world out there, and

445
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: we don't a lot of times really factor that in

446
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: until we bump into it out there, and then it's

447
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 1: that spins us out. And again I think it just

448
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 1: goes back to the old adage of of that like

449
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: not not just the time of the year, but because

450
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 1: this it definitely helps and it can be really any

451
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: time of the year. But exactly what you're talking about,

452
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 1: the pressure is, don't get I mean, I could definitely

453
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: fall victim to overthinking or you know, pro proalysis by analysis.

454
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, not to Mark Kenyan level of overthinking,

455
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 1: but but definitely I don't think I don't know if

456
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Speaker 1: anybody really, any hunter is really that you know, thinks

457
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: overthinks to that to his level, but um, but definitely

458
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: where it's okay I need to go. I need to

459
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: get on you know this transition where you know, this

460
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: soft transition where there's gonna be this rough funnel and

461
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna cruise. Do I need to find the most

462
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 1: scrapes and the most prubs and and it's like again, one,

463
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: that's probably what the rest of the pressure everybody else

464
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: is thinking. So that's where the pressure is probably going

465
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: to be applied, and too, I think, especially when you're

466
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Speaker 1: on a trip or something like this, or or coming

467
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 1: into this pre rod time, just find the deer. I

468
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: mean that that's that's the big thing that really I

469
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: think has has helped me when I just kind of like,

470
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, slap my forehead and say duh, I mean,

471
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: get out there and just just find where the deer are.

472
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: And most likely if you can, if you stay a

473
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: little bit mobile, you kind of keep your wits about you,

474
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: wind in your face, and just kind of scout along

475
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 1: doing that. I mean, the deer gonna adapt to the

476
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: pressure too. So if you find where they are, likely

477
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: no one else is there or at least not there

478
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 1: right now, and you can start putting a game plan

479
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: together on where the deer are right now, just not

480
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: on I mean I always kind of talk about this,

481
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: like whenever I write anything or say anything, UM, it's

482
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: always like, you know, hunt where the deer are, not

483
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: where you want them to be or where they should

484
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: be right hunt where they actually are. And I think

485
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: that's a that's been the biggest thing that's helped me,

486
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: especially on pressure. Ground is adapting to that pressure. Is

487
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: looking at you know, whether it be on a on

488
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: X or looking at whether it's glass and scouting or

489
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: looking at a digital map. Is okay, this is where

490
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: deer should be, and I probably should ground treat that

491
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: and see what's going on there. But I all of

492
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm starting to see more vehicles here. I'm

493
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: starting to see I can bet that most of the

494
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: time that's where these hunters that are getting after it

495
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: are gonna go. They're gonna go to these spots where

496
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Speaker 1: they're seeing the sign, which obviously, yeah, I mean that's

497
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: not saying it's that's a that's a bad approach. Just

498
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: temperate with that pressure that you're talking about and adapt

499
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Speaker 1: to where you're actually seeing the deer right now. I

500
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: mean that because they're they're adapting to the pressure, you

501
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: have to adapt to the pressure, and especially during the

502
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: time period of this pre rut where the bucks are

503
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: seeking the does. I mean, I think that's the big

504
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: thing too, is a lot of times, you know, guys

505
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: that are targeting bucks focus too much on the bucks

506
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: sign itself and get wrapped up in the sign where

507
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: it's being laid down. How fresh is it? You know,

508
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: all this instead of like, okay, if I just can

509
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: hang with this dough group, or if I'm watching this

510
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: dough group and if they're starting to act, you know, right,

511
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: or or starting to see some young bucks come in

512
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: or other bucks. I mean that to me, that's that's

513
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: one of the most I know. It's super simplified, and

514
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: it seems like like duh, just followed does during the rut,

515
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think it's something that we

516
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: over analyze and often miss. Well, yeah, and you the

517
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: way that you're you're talking here, I mean, I've I've

518
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: started to lean into this so hard, and I think

519
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: it is just like when you go you show up

520
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: at random public land somewhere, your first job is to

521
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: find a concentration of deer and to white people like

522
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: you have, you have two things you gotta do, and

523
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: what it What it's kind of made me realize is

524
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: I've I've brought that to these private land chunks that

525
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: I have permission to hunt. And I realized, like right

526
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: when you started that, you said, you're like, you have

527
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: to find the concentration of deer and it What it

528
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: really makes me think about is if we go into

529
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: a spot where used to hunting and we have permission

530
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: on or at least we're taking it for granted at

531
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: the deer are there, and we're going, Okay, well, the

532
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: deer live here. We're not thinking like where specifically are

533
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: the deer right now? Like where are they right now?

534
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: We're thinking, the deer live here? So they're here, and

535
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm good. And when you go travel and you show

536
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: up at a new place, especially a public land place,

537
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: you go, I don't have that luxury. I have to

538
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: find a concentration right now. And really it kind of

539
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: makes me I feel uneasy about I've created so much

540
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: white tail content in my life, and you know, there's

541
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: there's pressure from the top down to be like how

542
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: to kill big Bucks, how to kill big Bucks? How

543
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: to kill big Bucks? And as you know, like the

544
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: phase im in right now, I'm like most of My

545
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: big bucks came from finding concentrations of deer. First. It

546
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: wasn't like I walk into the woods and I'm like,

547
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: there's a big buck track, there's a big buck rub.

548
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: I know this dude lives here, and I'm gonna hunt

549
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: that buck. Specifically, it's like where are the deer now?

550
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: And then you start getting in there and working them,

551
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: and then they give you something that leads you to

552
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: a big one and it usually doesn't. Usually don't go

553
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: in with this mindset of like I'm only thinking about

554
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: big bucks. That's all that matters, and I'm gonna get there.

555
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: And when you talk about the rut, like you're talking

556
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: about right now with these dough betting groups and stuff

557
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: like do you really know where the boat does are betting? Like,

558
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: do you really know where these dough concentrations are. I'm

559
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: not talking about them walking out into the bean field

560
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: that you know they're going to do eventually. Where do

561
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: the does live, where do they travel? How do the

562
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: bucks work them with certain kinds of winds that stuff?

563
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: Those are the things that you really want to answer

564
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: if you want to have a really badass rut. Absolutely.

565
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, like like buck betting is like

566
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: super hot right now, it's like a hot topic. Everybody's

567
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: talking about it, wanting to like, oh, I want to

568
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: hunt buck beds. I want to find buck beds. I

569
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 1: want to get on them and do all that. Like,

570
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, there's a lot of value to that, Like, yes, yes,

571
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: it's a good idea to know where bucks that is,

572
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: that that would help you. But but like to me,

573
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: I mean I see that as being not that you

574
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: can't be successful with that approach or strategy right now.

575
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: But that's early season before, you know, that's when bucks

576
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: are still being Bucks. Mean, they're still doing their own thing.

577
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: They're kind of isolated, they're doing their often you know,

578
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: especially we're talking about a little bit older older bucks too,

579
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: they're kind of doing their own thing off and doing that.

580
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: But you're exactly, I mean, it seems like every time,

581
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: it's like this time of the year when you're coming

582
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: into this pre roup phase, but the next fourteen days

583
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: look like for us, I feel like when you're on

584
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: dough groups and you're on just just your herds of

585
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: deer and you're seeing multiple deer in a night, and

586
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: you know they start filtering out or coming through or

587
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: moving through you see them standing up or moving around,

588
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: and it's like you're seeing more and more and more

589
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: like those are the times, the evenings of the mornings

590
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: where I see bigger bucks. Like you're like that this

591
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: is where the year are and and this is you know,

592
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: because the bucks are shifting to They're not they're not

593
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: using those same like deep dark holes of betting all

594
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: the time. Right now. They're they're on the move, They're

595
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: they're betting on the go or laying down for a

596
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: little while and getting up and then cruising through again.

597
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: And I totally agree, man, I mean it's it's it's

598
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: finding those groups of deer right now where they are,

599
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: because that's I mean, that's where the bucks are going

600
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, we've been talking about this quite a

601
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: bit lately, where there's really kind of two strategies to hunting,

602
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the heart of the rut or

603
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: just the immediate pre rut, and it's it's either get

604
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: on that funnel, get on that pinch point, or get

605
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: somewhere on the downwind side of a dull betting area.

606
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: And I ran across something, uh working I was working

607
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: on an article for met Eater that isn't out yet

608
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: about just you know, how to adapt to hot weather

609
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: there during the rut essentially, because we hit it often,

610
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, at least every couple of years you get

611
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: unseasonably warm tempts. And I found some dear research that

612
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: that kind of highlighted it. It was from down south,

613
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: so it might not be applicable everywhere, but I kind

614
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: of think it might be where you know, the rut

615
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: doesn't stop. We know that, and we think, okay, well

616
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna run at night or they're gonna be chasing more. Yeah,

617
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: probably to some extent, it is probably gonna tilt towards

618
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: the nocturnal movement, but those bucks are still going to

619
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: be looking those doors, are going to find those microclimates

620
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: of cooler, cooler spots, and they're going to bed there.

621
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: And what it kind of highlighted to me was, you know,

622
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: if you're dealing with a hot rut, those dos move less.

623
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: They radio collared them in this study, so they're gonna

624
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: stay bedded longer. Those bucks are still gonna look for them,

625
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: and so if you're it just it was kind of

626
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: a lightbulb moment for me where I always find myself

627
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: between those two, Like, am I gonna go try to

628
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: post up somewhere in the end of this ridge where

629
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: I know does better? Am I gonna go get on

630
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: this this badass train feature? And if it gets warmer,

631
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well we know those does bed longer,

632
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: those bucks are gonna look for him. And then you know,

633
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: when you hear something like that or you read that

634
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: where it's where science is like flush that out a

635
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: little bit for you, then you start thinking and you're like, man,

636
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: when was you know, okay, I've killed that buck when

637
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: it was seventy five degrees during the rep what was

638
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: he doing? Like he was doing exactly what they're talking about.

639
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: And so you have these options if you know how

640
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: to handle them when when the rut weather throws you

641
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: a curve or the pressure throws you a curve. All

642
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: that stuff is important for sure, absolutely, yeah. I mean

643
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: we last year was a perfect example. We were kind

644
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: of plagued with it last year. This year, knock on

645
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: what it's looking a little better, but you know, it

646
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: was got seventy degrees, high sixties in the seventies south

647
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: what we were plagued by constant south winds all last November.

648
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 1: It was nuts. But um, and you have to do

649
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: I mean, but but even there again, whether you've got

650
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: great weather, terrible weather, whatever, if you find the doughs,

651
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: if you find where the deer are, you will you're

652
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: gonna see the deep word that dear. I mean, a

653
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: buck isn't gonna cruise by a dough betting area where

654
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: there's clearly does in it and saying, oh, I'm i

655
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: gotta go in there and chase her around because it's daylight.

656
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait, only I'm not gonna wait. I'm gonna

657
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: wait till dark to do that. Now he's not gonna

658
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 1: say that, he's gonna get in there and you know,

659
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: do his thing. But uh yeah, so I I completely agree.

660
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: And and and it's just it does get your wheels turned

661
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: a little bit when you say, man, at the end

662
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: of the day, they're they're dear, They're still going to

663
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: be dear and they're gonna do dear stuff. And when

664
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: you can find them, that's really early gonna be Yeah,

665
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: And you know, let's let's go down this this hot

666
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: weather road a little bit because even though we doesn't

667
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: look like we're gonna get it, last year we got

668
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: it bad and some of the stuff. I looked up

669
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: it said, I think it was I think November twenty

670
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: was the fourth warmest November on record in the United

671
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: States since they've been keeping tracks so in like the

672
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: last hundred and thirty years or something like that. So

673
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: it was a hot one. And what it what it

674
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: makes me think of is people will say, well, you know,

675
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: the ruts gonna be late, or it's not gonna happen.

676
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: And magically we had a bunch of funds in April

677
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: and May that we're born, and it turns out the

678
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: rut happened one way or the other. And you know,

679
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: like you said, this, this is not Hopefully we're not

680
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: gonna be facing it too much this year, but there's

681
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: still things you can do and things you can plan for.

682
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: And I I had a dear biologists tell me one time,

683
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what we were discussing, betting in

684
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: cornfields or something, and he mentioned micro climates and he said, yeah,

685
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: they got they got all that stuff figured out. You know,

686
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: it's if it's two degrees cooler bedding in the you

687
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: know the top soil of the you know, the dark

688
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: soil of the at the in the bottom of Cornfield.

689
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna know that. And I've got this route I

690
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: run by my house that dips down into is that

691
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: I take a little trail through this park and dips

692
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: down into this cattail slew. And where I live is

693
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: pretty flat, and so you're talking au elevation change of

694
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: maybe like forty maybe. But when when you run through there,

695
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: especially in the mornings and the evenings, the temperature difference

696
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: feels like it's like six seven eight degrees, and you

697
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: just you hit something like that, and you go, if

698
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: you lived in a square mile of land, if you

699
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: were a deer and you were four and a half

700
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: years old and you've spent most of your life in

701
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: one square mile, you know every spot like that. So

702
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: you know every spot like that, and and how the

703
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: wind behaved in there when it blew out of every

704
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: single direction. And so we think about this stuff and

705
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: in adult wood too, right, And so we sit there

706
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: and go, oh, man, it's fifteen degrees above. You know,

707
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: it's sixty five degrees and I wanted to be thirty. Like, man,

708
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: they got it figured out. They're gonna make some baby

709
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: deer somehow, Like what are you gonna do to adapt?

710
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: To it, and I mean, it's so many dots connect

711
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: and things click when you're in exactly instance you're talking about,

712
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: I know, the feeling to like you drop down into

713
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: a bottom or come out. You can you can physically

714
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: feel that the temperature change, I mean. And so the

715
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: deer obviously are understanding that too. And what are you

716
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: getting to get again thinking about the rut or pre

717
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: rut of bucks, looking for those, especially bigger bucks and

718
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: older bucks, they're more efficient. They they've been through a

719
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: couple of ruts. They get the gig. They know how

720
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: this thing works. They want to be efficient with their

721
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: time and their travel, and they're they're not just gonna, like,

722
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, just zigzag all over the place like you

723
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: see every you know, four corn year and a half

724
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: old do or something like that. You know they're gonna

725
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: they're being efficient with their travel. They know those reasons.

726
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Not only are more comfortable for deer in general to

727
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: live in bed and things like that, but a lot

728
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: of times you're getting thermal pull down there, you're getting

729
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: winds swirl, which they love because then they can kind

730
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: of sent check all directions and they can keep the

731
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: keep their you know, the nose to their advantage and

732
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: things like that. So that's again just increasing the odds

733
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: of them being in those types of areas. Um, it's

734
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: a great thing to pay attention to. I mean, I

735
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, that's a great I mean, it's it's

736
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: great to to find those little those little nooks and

737
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: crannies like that. And you're only going to increase your

738
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: odds when the conditions are tough and pressure to do

739
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, you could get a lot

740
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: of times you're getting habitat diversity in those spots where

741
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: it will be thicker, higher stem count stuff. Um, Again,

742
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: you can't over generalize it, but there's just usually in

743
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: those instances, there's a lot of things that play to

744
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: play to a deer's and two hunters advantage both of

745
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: finding them setting up and and getting a crack. And

746
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, the deer instinctively are going to find where

747
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: they can be safer, cooler, more comfortable, and have more

748
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: more elements play into their advantage. And those are those

749
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: kind of setups like you're talking about here exactly that. Yeah,

750
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: And it's those kind of little aha moments when you

751
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: when you figure that stuff out. They really they come

752
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: from time out there, you know, Like I mean, and

753
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: I always think about, you know, in the summer, when

754
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: you go hang stands and you go scout a new

755
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: property and you're walking around, if you're open to that stuff,

756
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: you find it, you know, where where there's a real

757
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's it might be harder to find in

758
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: March when the temperature doesn't change ten degrees all day, right,

759
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: But when you go out there in July and it's

760
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, eighty five degrees and you're you're running around

761
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: on the top of a bluff and then you dip

762
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: down to the bottom by the trout stream, you know,

763
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 1: it's different. And then you gotta think, Okay, well, if

764
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I were you know, two hundred and twenty five pounds

765
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: of horned up deer, and I had a you know,

766
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: winner code on and I was going to run fore

767
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: hours a day, but I'd probably swing through here or

768
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, this would probably be a part of my route.

769
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: And you know, you said something earlier that I want

770
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: to touch on about this, uh as far as like

771
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: kind of their clover leaf pattern or these circuits these

772
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: bucks run, you know, like we we think it's just

773
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: random chaos across the countryside. Nature doesn't work that way.

774
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: Nature defaults to calorie efficiency all the time. And so

775
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: when you and we see this in some of these

776
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: radio collar studies right where these these bucks they call

777
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: them and they do the like the clover leaf pattern,

778
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: or they have some kind of route where when they

779
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: when they overlay the route day to day to day

780
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: to day during the rut, you know, it's every six hours,

781
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: every twelve hours, same route, same you know, unless the

782
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: wind shifts. I'm sure they change it a little bit.

783
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: But you see this there there there's very little randomness

784
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: to It's kind of like if you if you see uh,

785
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: like a graphic of wolf packs when they live next

786
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: to each other, you know, wolf packs that share region,

787
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: Like there's it's very clear where the boundaries are. Like

788
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: you might think the wolves are running all over the countryside,

789
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: Like nope, they know exactly where they're going. Dear do

790
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: the same thing. And so again kind of back to

791
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: what we were talking about before, if you're not on them,

792
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: like you might really not be on them. This this

793
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: is still happening out there somewhere, you're just not on it.

794
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: Because when you see those studies, you're like, yeah, they're

795
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: covering freaking ground. Yeah for sure. I mean, yes, I agree,

796
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: And I there's I mean, yeah, don't get me wrong,

797
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: and there's you know, nothing is absolutely there's there's randomness,

798
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: and there's you know, they'll get on a hot dough

799
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: finally and then that's when things, you know, kind of

800
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: go crazy. But I completely agree in that circuit concept

801
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: and approach. I've seen it. I know that's what they're doing.

802
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean again, it goes back to Bucks wanting to

803
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: be efficient and wanting to to to get to their

804
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: end result, which is find a hot dough. So they

805
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: know where those does bed and they know the multiple

806
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: family groups, they know where that they are, and they're

807
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: gonna go from one group to the next until they

808
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: find one in heat or or getting close to and

809
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: then they'll go and you know, locked down there. But

810
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: it's they're just gonna keep moving and running those running

811
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: those routes and circuits every day until then one finally

812
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: smells right and then it's and then then it's on.

813
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: So I I completely agree with that. If you can,

814
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: if you can kind of see through the chaos of

815
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: the rut and kind of just simplify it down to

816
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: that and find where those those groups are and understanding

817
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 1: like and that's in my opinion, where we talk about

818
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: funnels and we talk about pinch points and things like that.

819
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: But when you can understand, Okay, go group here, betting

820
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: group here, where's the funnel or pinch point in between

821
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: the two, Like that's something to set up, like you

822
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: not just finding like a where something next down and

823
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: just hoping for random movement you know, come cruising through,

824
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: but but really think through, like at the basic level

825
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: of dose are betted here or other doors are betted here?

826
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: How can I get between those two for the best

827
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: set up and approach and like I mean more than likely,

828
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: and and if that particular route or whatever isn't on

829
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: that Bucks Bucks circuit or isn't on that travel pattern,

830
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: then shift and try another one. But those I mean again,

831
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: I think somebody just be overcomplicated so much and try

832
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: to get so in the weeds with like approach and

833
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: strategy and all these other things. But I think, once

834
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: if you can get it down to that level, and

835
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: again it's I know it's a lot easier to to

836
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: talk about and say that actually get out there and

837
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: really see it, right, But once you get out there

838
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: and start realizing some of those tendencies and in those areas, man,

839
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: that's when you're putting yourself in the game in my opinion. Myka,

840
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: So let's talk about these these funnels and pinch points,

841
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: like what's your ideal like if you if you had

842
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: to just drop up a dreamy scenario, what's your ideal

843
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: pinch point? I got a couple of them. But I um,

844
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: like you, man, I love water. I love creeks. Um

845
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: you're getting because you're not only you're there's just I mean,

846
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: we could talk for days on water in general, but

847
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: just it's because it's so great, but especially when you're

848
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: on trips. But like creeks and creeks and you know,

849
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: are my are one of my favorites because you're getting

850
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: a resource, especially right now when deer cruising a lot,

851
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: bucks are running and they're chasing, and they're they're they're

852
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: on there there, they're running their routes or cruising their routes.

853
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: They need water. Uh usually have cooler temperatures. There's usually

854
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: a wind advantage there for them with a swirl or

855
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: a thermal pole or something like that. And there's almost

856
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: always a train feature that in that that inspires some

857
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: type of movement where it's either got it's gonna manipulate

858
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: either movement in some way because of the way it's

859
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: cut out in dear. I mean, we'll take the lead

860
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: path of least resistance and they'll just walk around something

861
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: or crossing where that's narrow or wherever so narrow creek crossings. UM.

862
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: You know, with two habitats come together. I say it's

863
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: like a CRP CRP edge or like an old field,

864
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: grown up edge whatever, UM a timber like a timber

865
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: finger and a creek that runs with that where you've

866
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: got a bunch of that stuff kind of coming together

867
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: in one spot. I love stuff like that, UM where

868
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: you just have you have structure transitions, UM edge kind

869
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: of all coming together in one place. I really love that.

870
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: UM grown grown up, thick CRP fields or another one.

871
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: I just I absolutely love them. UM. Just the thicker

872
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: than ask, you're the better figuring out the edges around

873
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: those where that where the transition happens. How they're entering

874
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: and exiting a lot of times for betting, whether it

875
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: be dough betting or whatever. UM, how they're getting into that.

876
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: UM are are another really great ones. And those can

877
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: either be. You know, if you've got a hillside that

878
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: kind of dumps down into a bottom, I mean that

879
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: hillside in itself will help follow movement. I mean, yes,

880
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: they will transition along the they'll move or travel along

881
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: the hillsides. But a lot of times if you look

882
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: at that top third or the bottom, that's where the

883
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: movement's happening. Usually not some you know, not a lot

884
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: in between. But if you can get on that top

885
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: of the hill or the slope or at the bottom

886
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: up along that wherever that thick cover is, um man,

887
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: a lot of that's that's a lot bet a lot

888
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: of really good travel and cover there too. Um yeah,

889
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean just those are those are probably two of

890
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: my favorites. I'd say, along those those thick brushy creek bottoms,

891
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: either at a crossing or where it kind of where

892
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: it kind of winds in and creates a pinch or

893
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: a travel a tight travel court, or where they kind

894
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: of just have to go through there in a cree

895
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: in a winding creek, or up on a habitat or

896
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: train transition with a CRP field, there's some kind of

897
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: thick cover where wherever you're having to a change in

898
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: habitat is just in itself is a really really great

899
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: funneling kind of a funneling. There is a funnel factor

900
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: that happens there. So some of the a lot of

901
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: the stuff you're talking about, I mean, the creek bottom

902
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: thing is just money. Like there's that's my favorite too.

903
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: But you know, obviously if you get around a c

904
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: RP field, you've got some edge habitat you're doing. You're

905
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: doing all right too. But let's just let me throw

906
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: a curve your way. So let's say somebody was like Alex,

907
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: you're heading up to the up in Michigan and you're

908
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting relatively flat ground, uh, you know, miles

909
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: of unbroken timber. So you don't, you know, because a

910
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: lot of the examples there are a lot of things

911
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: you just talked about. You you've got some elevation, you

912
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: got some up and down to work with. That makes

913
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: to me, that makes finding pinch points and funnels a

914
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: lot easier and working to win. But what if you've

915
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: got a big woods flat situation, what are you doing there?

916
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: Then it's for me in that situation, it's it's gonna

917
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: be as as much habitat as possible so it's the

918
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: habitat change. So a lot of times you'll find, you know,

919
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: you'll find clusters of you know, whether it be muth

920
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: floor rows, just some some something thicker that breaks up,

921
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: that breaks up, just the sea of big timber, um,

922
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: higher stem count. Even it doesn't even DECEI have to

923
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: be a different species of habitat. It can just be

924
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in a there's giant maples and

925
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: oaks and and everything like that, or in this big

926
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: wood setting or even pines, just finding younger stuff, like

927
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: just just higher stem count, younger stuff group together, you're

928
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: just likely gonna find higher concentrations of deer. Like soft

929
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: edges within the big timber setting I think are great.

930
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: I love that stuff. It just attracts deer not only

931
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: to hang out in bed, but also it gives them

932
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: more food variety. They've they've got just different stuff to

933
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: browse on and eat, just natural vegetation things like that. Um,

934
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: that would be a big one first and foremost um

935
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: And just I guess understanding what kind of food that

936
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: big wood setting offers that deer liking, or that you're

937
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: seeing deer sign in and around and just trying to

938
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: focus on whatever. The largest concentration of that type of

939
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: food for them is if it's a certain browse, if

940
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: it's um. Just again, like I said, natural vegetation that

941
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: they're eating um, focusing on that food and then try

942
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: to see is there clean gosh. I mean I founded

943
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: big woods a little bit. I don't hunt it probably

944
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: as much as you are, or I wouldn't say I

945
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: hunt it a lot. But even just the slightest little

946
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: variants in training, even if it's if it is mostly flat,

947
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: if you find this little depression or like there's this

948
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: little knob and coming off that back side of that knob,

949
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: if there's you know, if it's somewhat a little protected,

950
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: or there is even a habitat uh transition or change

951
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: there um, you care all almost find a trail, find

952
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: some signs, find something there. So I'm looking for that,

953
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: just even the slightest mix and habitat or cover um

954
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: and try to help focusing on on what what they're

955
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: what they're eating kind of food just naturally in the

956
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: in the big one setting. Yeah, the soft edges, a

957
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: little bit of terrain. I ran into something, uh a

958
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I was out with with the dogs.

959
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: I was hunting woodcock in northern Wisconsin, and I just

960
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: I was on this huge chunk of county land and

961
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: I've been in there the weekend before, mostly hunting grouse,

962
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: and I saw this area that I kind of forgot about,

963
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: but it was clear cut, and it was probably it's

964
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: pretty young, maybe maybe a two or three year old

965
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: clear cut, so a little bit younger than I usually

966
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 1: like to hunt. But you know, driving by it hunting

967
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: some other stuff, I was like, I'm gonna, you know,

968
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: one of these times this fall, I'm gonna run in

969
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: there with the dogs and just see. The next weekend

970
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: I got, I had my chance, had a little bit

971
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: of time in the middle of the day, so I

972
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: took the dogs in there. It was full of woodcock

973
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: and I'm hunting along and I looked over and I

974
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: saw a shed antler hanging in a tree. And I'm

975
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: not the first hangar I've ever found in my life,

976
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: and there was it was a decent defer up there.

977
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: It was pretty nice. But I'm like, man, this is cool,

978
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, like you don't find October sheds all that often.

979
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: And I started looking around and I was like, man, like,

980
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: there's there I'm just on this little kind of knob

981
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: in here, And if you looked at it from the road,

982
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: you're like, it's just a flat, you know, a couple

983
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: hundred acres that they cut. But when you get in there,

984
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: like there's some there's just such subtle terrain to it.

985
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: And you started looking around, I'm like, I could see

986
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: why he why he wintered in here. But then we

987
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: I hunted sort of out towards the edge where the

988
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: swamp met this kind of high woods, older growth stuff,

989
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: and where the where that clear cut hit. And you're like, Okay,

990
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: now I have a nice edge, and then I've got

991
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: a swamp that's kind of funneling them around. I started looking.

992
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's it's pounded in here, even even in

993
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: a low density area. And I was like, this is

994
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: a place where if you posted up with the right end,

995
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: dose probably bet in there. The bucks are real comfortable

996
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: in that clear cut. And it just you start looking

997
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: at it and going it's easy to think that those

998
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: big woods situations don't really offer you a whole lot,

999
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: but it's a it's subtle, you know, it's not like

1000
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: the in your face, you know where a bluff bumps

1001
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: up to a nice river out west or something like.

1002
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: It's a subtle transition or a subtle soft edge. But

1003
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: when you start finding them, me go, this is it,

1004
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: Like this is what you start working, you know, And

1005
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean in in that situation, it might be better

1006
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: to be running a bunch of cameras if you could

1007
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: or whatever, but but you could observe in there and

1008
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: be moving and you know, so it's I think it's

1009
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: important to look at this. I realized we do something

1010
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm curious your take on this, Alex. I'm

1011
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: trying to focus on the things that are positive out there,

1012
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: like what what do you have working in your favor?

1013
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: Because you know, like with the with the hot rut

1014
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: or windy weather, you know, extra people out there. We

1015
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: tend to just kind of glom onto the negative and go, well,

1016
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: this is working against me right, sad all day? Yes

1017
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything. I had three idiots walked through

1018
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: with cock crossbows over their shoulder. Like we we always

1019
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: focus on the negatives instead of going all right, what

1020
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: is what are they given me right now? You know?

1021
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: And like you mentioned, the forecast is shaping up real nice? Uh,

1022
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: what do they give you? As far as you know

1023
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: what you can observe, What are they giving you for sign?

1024
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: What are you giving yourself a chance to really figure

1025
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: out instead of just being like you know, kind of

1026
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: focus on the negative and being like, well I'm just

1027
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and hope that I can rattle one in.

1028
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: I think the mindset part of that is huge, so big. Yeah,

1029
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: mindset is here, and I'm I'm fortunate so whatever. For

1030
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I was born a serial optimists, so I'm

1031
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: probably pretty much positive about everything, which is, which is,

1032
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: it's great. But I didn't realize I didn't realize how

1033
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: much of an advantage that would play into hunting until like,

1034
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, a few years back where just like because

1035
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: I just the way I was, like I just always

1036
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: looked at the glass half bull. I'm not all right.

1037
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: I know I can't control like these yahoo's that are

1038
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: coming in here and like you know, mucking this whole

1039
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: place up and just causing issues with all this hunting

1040
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: pressure and man, dear just aren't moving right now. Like

1041
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: what am I gonna all the weathers coming to? Uh?

1042
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: You know, I just I just I just naturally don't

1043
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: think like that. So that's really really It's been a

1044
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: really positive thing for me for deer hunting because man,

1045
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: i'd really just it's caused me to filter through all

1046
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: that stuff and just find what is happening. Okay, well

1047
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: it's not happening right here. Man, this has been really tough.

1048
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: I need to move on and find the next spot

1049
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: I need to go. I need to keep and keep

1050
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: moving until I find it where I'm finding here yet

1051
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: it's it's hot. They're just not moving there. Man. They

1052
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: should be cruising up and down this ridge no problem

1053
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: at all, Like they just should be a magnet for

1054
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: this place. But they're not here. I need to I

1055
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: need to move down a little bit um and find

1056
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: where there are you know, maybe it's hot and it's

1057
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: like we're talking about, they're they're sitting in that lower

1058
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: where that that just that climate change or that climate

1059
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: hub where it's just a lower spot down where it's

1060
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: a little cooler. It's gonna pull. So I just I've

1061
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: always thought just what kind of like that really just

1062
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: optimistic outlook, um, and it is a huge advantage. I mean,

1063
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: I would, you know, urge everybody just to try to

1064
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: be as positive as possible, because at the end of

1065
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: the day man, Like you say it all the time,

1066
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,959
Speaker 1: we're hunting, We're not we're not solving, we're not carrying

1067
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: cancer out there. Right, It's like we're just we're we're trying.

1068
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: We're meant to enjoy it, and we need to be

1069
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: positive and find the things that are just really um

1070
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 1: that are working in the favor for the deer movement. Whatever.

1071
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: There's always and I truly believe if you look hard enough,

1072
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: or if you or if you just keep the right mindset,

1073
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: like you're saying, you can always find something. There's always

1074
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: something that because it's not like the deer just vanished

1075
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: off this, you know whatever that track is, that piece,

1076
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: if there's signed there, then yeah, they may have shifted

1077
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: or there may not be as many as there were

1078
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: or whatever. But if you look close or if you

1079
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: think of the right mindset, you're gonna find something. You're

1080
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna find something that's gonna tell you, tell

1081
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: you a positive thing that you can cling on too

1082
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: as a clue and keep keep moving. One thing that

1083
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: I've come to realize on that sort of on this

1084
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: note is how you're at it, dude, is will keep

1085
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: you looking. It's a it's a self fulfilling prophecy, right

1086
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: like if you if you believe you're gonna find it,

1087
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep looking and you're gonna find it. And

1088
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: I also think it helps you handle the mistakes much better.

1089
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: So I can remember, I was not born like a

1090
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: muppet like you were. I was not born a total optimist.

1091
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: I was born pretty pessimistic. And it's taken me a

1092
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: long time to crawl out of that hole. But I

1093
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: can think back to times in my hunting career where

1094
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, I had a I had a situation I

1095
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: think I was probably about early twenties and I was

1096
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: like at the point where I had killed some two

1097
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: year olds and I was like, I need to, like

1098
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: I need to put my big boy pants on and

1099
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: kill a big one here eventually, like this has got

1100
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: to happen. And I had a night where I had

1101
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: a like a one fifty come in, which to me

1102
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: in Minnesota at that time was unreal. I mean it

1103
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: was like holy balls missed him, and then I missed

1104
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: a like pointer like ten minutes later, and I was like,

1105
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: and I hadn't killed a big, big buck yet, and

1106
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: I I'm telling you, dude, I was in a bad place.

1107
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: And this was definitely not the first time I had

1108
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: missed a big one, but it was the first time

1109
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: I had missed two really good opportunities. And it just

1110
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: total fell apart and that crushed me right, like just stupid.

1111
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: And now I think about when things like that happened.

1112
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: So just just for example, last year, I had about

1113
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: six days to hunt Minnesota right before the gun season,

1114
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: so the beginning of November, and you know, okay standards,

1115
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: I wasn't like I don't I didn't need a one

1116
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: fifty like I needed just like an okay buck right

1117
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: because I knew, I knew where I was. It wasn't

1118
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: like you were gonna. I wasn't on Iowa. But I

1119
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: went out and just kind of got my ass handed

1120
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: to me, you know. I just I was on some

1121
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: little ones, but I just couldn't get in and going.

1122
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people on that farm, and

1123
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: I ended up the last morning I had before I

1124
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: had to leave, I texted my buddy and I said,

1125
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: if a deer comes by, I'm shooting it. I'm getting

1126
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: out of here. I got doe TEGs, I got buck tags,

1127
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: and I want to be done. Had a little buck

1128
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: come in just a gift shot him. He ran off

1129
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: and died, and I was I was sitting there getting

1130
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: my stuff ready. I started looking around a little more closely,

1131
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: because this is a morning hunt. This is a place

1132
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: I've hunted since I was fifteen years old. I've spent

1133
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: some time there. And I started looking and I was like, man,

1134
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: all those rubs are leading to and from the corn

1135
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: field below me. And I'm looking at the cornfield that

1136
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: I've looked at and I've walked through hundreds of times,

1137
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: not joking, and I'm just looking at the terrain and

1138
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I found a shed right out in

1139
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: the middle of that two years ago, and there's like

1140
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: a little hump out there. It just clicked and I

1141
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: was like, he's betting out there. There's a big one

1142
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: in here, and he's betting in that corn and he's

1143
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: coming through here at certain times. And it was just

1144
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: like such a stupid revelation. It was one of those

1145
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: times where I was just like I felt good about it.

1146
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: I was like, even though like the hunt didn't really

1147
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: go the way I wanted to, I just had this

1148
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: moment where I was like now I know now, I

1149
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 1: like it took a lot of you know, bumbling around,

1150
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: but that little thing was really important to learn and

1151
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: to use. And I'll use that for a long time,

1152
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: I promise you. And I think when you when you

1153
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: when you go in with a bad attitude or something

1154
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: happens and it's just not going your way, it's just

1155
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: harder to learn from the dumb stuff you've done. Like

1156
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: I should have figured that out, Like if you look

1157
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: at my resume, I should have had that one dial.

1158
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: I didn't, and I didn't for a long long time,

1159
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: but now I feel like I do. And I think

1160
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: attitude just plays into that so much. I agree man entirely.

1161
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's all about mindset and figuring it

1162
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: out and it's and that's again I think just just

1163
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: the a lot of that plays into just the having

1164
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: the kind of this search for knowledge right as we

1165
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: just want to learn as much as we possibly can.

1166
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: And that's where you're getting, you know, just get I mean,

1167
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: because what are you doing at that point? You know,

1168
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: if you're just if you're just going back to the

1169
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: same spots over and over and over again where you

1170
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: had success and you're gonna have some more success. But

1171
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: it's like you're not learning anything new, or you're not

1172
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: looking at it with the different mindset or perspective or

1173
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: trying to understand something new about this this certain spot.

1174
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's everything. I mean, you've got to

1175
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: continue to grow and evolve an adapt if you really

1176
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: want to, you know, be be the best hunter you

1177
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: can be. You know whatever that whatever that definition is

1178
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: for yourself. Um, I think that's it's so important to

1179
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: to find and keep looking and and and yeah, I

1180
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: mean those failures suck, and it does take you to

1181
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: a dark place. Man, There's there are no I've been

1182
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: there many times. I mean this there's a public peace

1183
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: in here in Illinois that I hunt. Um, I've been

1184
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: hunting it really hard actually for the last three years,

1185
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: and I've never i haven't killed a deer on it,

1186
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: and I've wounded a really big one and I've missed

1187
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: another one. And it's just like it just it deflates you,

1188
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely just takes it out of you. But

1189
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: at the same time, if you look at it with

1190
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: another perspective, after you know, after the sting wears off

1191
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: a little bit, you're looking at it with another perspective

1192
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: of what can I learn about this what did I understand?

1193
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: What did the deal? How did I break down what

1194
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: this deer was doing? Why was he there at this

1195
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: particular time? And you know, at this moment and what

1196
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: brought him in? And you start looking at it from

1197
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, a higher, more basic level perspective of what

1198
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: you can take away from that and and learn from

1199
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: the situations or the encounters again putting a positive twist

1200
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: on maybe an otherwise negative situation. It's only gonna help

1201
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: you grow and learn in the in the longer. Ru

1202
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: and I'm and and even I've even tried to do

1203
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: it from even successes, even when you shoot one and

1204
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: it's like great, I got one, like and and and

1205
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of where it stops a lot of times,

1206
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, wait a second, do you really understand

1207
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: how you got to kill that deer? Like? What what happened? What?

1208
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 1: What transpired you? How do you access how the deer

1209
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: come in? Where were you set up? Why were you

1210
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: set up? When? How you know those those who? What? When? Where? Why? Things?

1211
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: Those questions, just especially the why questions A big one

1212
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 1: is just continuing to try to generate knowledge and looking

1213
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: at it from a positive angle of like how can

1214
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: I play this to my advantage? How can I What

1215
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: can I learn? What can I take away from this

1216
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: to be better moving forward? Um? It's I think that

1217
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: is the most basic way to improve as a hunters

1218
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: as is having that positive mindset it and learning from

1219
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: obviously mistakes but also you know your success is too

1220
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: and really break them down and analyze it. Yeah, wouldn't

1221
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: it wouldn't it be interesting if after every deer that

1222
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: you shot, you could see a print out of all

1223
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: the negative thoughts you had that day leading up to it.

1224
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: It would be awesome, you know, absolutely, if you could

1225
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: just there was just a ticker tape and it was

1226
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: like this access sucks, ORR, I stepped on this stick,

1227
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: or that guy walked in, or there's three more trucks

1228
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: here than I expected. And then you see the buck

1229
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: coming and you're like, don't miss this up, don't screw

1230
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: this up? Should I call to him? Should I not

1231
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: called to him? I mean, it would probably be really

1232
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: fascinating to to take a deep dive into your psyche

1233
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: in those moments and realize how often you probably break negative.

1234
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but those are killed days,

1235
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: like when everything is going wrong and I've done every

1236
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: single thing wrong in in the books. That's I'm like,

1237
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see a big one like that's gonna happen.

1238
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm probably and I'll probably kill him because everything else

1239
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: has been a nightmare. It's like the days where it's like, man,

1240
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: I got it. I got there like way early. I

1241
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: snuck in, didn't make a peep, I got set up,

1242
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: hung my standard, I got set up without even you know,

1243
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: scratching any bark or anything like that. It's just that

1244
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: I got it, got settled, and everything is perfectly quiet.

1245
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: And then I started sitting there, I'm like, yep, that

1246
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: was way that happened, way too easy. There's that. I'm

1247
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: not gonna see a thing like that. It's always the

1248
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: it always seems like it's the reverse. When things are

1249
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: a nightmare, that's what it's gonna come together. So yeah,

1250
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: you're right, just gotta think positive all the time. Then

1251
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: you gotta be the eternal optimist out there. What was

1252
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: the single best rut hunting day you ever had in

1253
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: your life? Oh? Wow, Um gosh, that's tough, dude. There's

1254
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: a couple. There's been a couple of really good ones.

1255
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: I've been blessed. Um, there's two. One. It was about

1256
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: oh Man, probably years ago, and that's when I was

1257
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: still living in Michigan. Uh. It was Halloween morning, and um,

1258
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: I watched six bucks and about a hundred and forty

1259
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: five inch nine point maybe even pushing one fifty in Milligan.

1260
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: This is in Michigan, so it's a it's a big one, um,

1261
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: And it's a big one anywhere, but it's a it

1262
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: was a really big one for there. And I actually

1263
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: watched him lockdown and braided dough for six hours. He

1264
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: brought her like three times. Um. I watched him out

1265
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: in this field, and of course, you know, she got

1266
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: up and I wasn't going there, planning on sitting all day.

1267
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: Actually had some stuff going on that afternoons. I was

1268
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna hunt till about midday down Halloween morning and then

1269
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: and then bail and I ended up sitting all day

1270
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: dark to dark in that spot, um and watched him,

1271
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: you know. Then the dough got up when the other way,

1272
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: of course, and let off. But the other time was

1273
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: in Kansas. I was on a piece of public and

1274
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: there was no good trees to get in, and I

1275
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: called it. I kind of I hunted a couple of

1276
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: times then then, but it has never been as good

1277
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: as it was this year. And we've talked about this

1278
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: a lot out there in Kansas cows right, cows on

1279
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: public and walking ground. So it was a super dry year.

1280
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: So that franch er rotated his cattle off early and

1281
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: and into another spot, which was great because then deer

1282
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: moved in and once the cows are off that you

1283
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: move into this place and it kind of creates this

1284
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: it's in this like little this this little role there's

1285
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a low spot between two rolls.

1286
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: The low spots probably fifty yards wide between these two

1287
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: roles in in these in the these hills and these

1288
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: in this prairies pasture, and there's a row of as

1289
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: an old fence row that's all brush brushed up and

1290
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: there's no good trees. So there's a couple of young

1291
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: cedar trees that you can kind of have like a

1292
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: natural ground blind if you just sit in them. So um,

1293
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: and it worked like magic. I I found there was

1294
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: it was tore up like scrapes, tore up scrapes along

1295
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: this old fence row. Um, and it was I mean

1296
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: from where the structure was to the brushy French row.

1297
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: It's about thirty five yards wide. So I called it.

1298
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: I kind of started calling death alley. I was like,

1299
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: this is awesome. It's like anything it comes down here

1300
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: is is toads and so um I had man. I

1301
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: hunted it for two days, um grade encounters. All all

1302
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: days I passed the buck I shouldn't have passed. The

1303
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: first morning I ended up shooting a really good eight

1304
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: point um. The second morning, my dad was out there

1305
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: with a tag. I took him back to the exact

1306
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: same spot, uh that evening and he killed and he

1307
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: killed his best, one of his best bow bucks out

1308
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: of the exact same spot the same day I shot mine.

1309
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: In the morning, he shot his out the same spot

1310
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: and eating on public ground. UM So, those those two

1311
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: are probably my best my best rock memories, those are

1312
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: those are pretty special. And it's you know, even though

1313
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: that's Kansas, that's still a testament to how good you

1314
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: can have it out on public land. I'm telling you, man,

1315
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah. The biggest buck I ever killed in my

1316
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: life was on public land during the rut in Nova

1317
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: in Nebraska, and it was bonkers bonkers, and you know

1318
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: it can it can definitely happen out there. But the

1319
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: the one thing that we should have touched on I

1320
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: want to touch on right now about you know, sort

1321
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: of the optimism conversation we just had, and what you're

1322
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: talking about right now is when you believe, you know,

1323
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: like you you went in and you found the death

1324
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: Alley down there in Kansas, and you're like that, that's

1325
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: the kind of spot where you're putting in time, like

1326
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, you believe in it, you believe

1327
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: in yourself, you believe in your scouting, you believe in

1328
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: that spot, and you're gonna put in the time. And

1329
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 1: I think we talk a lot about dark to dark

1330
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: sits and we talk about you know, days and days

1331
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: on end, and most people really aren't doing that, Like

1332
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: they can find reasons to talk themselves out of you know,

1333
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: go in for launch or do whatever. But when you've yeah,

1334
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean, but when you've got a good attitude and

1335
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: you believe you're gonna see dear, that's like the real

1336
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: key to rut successes, because then you're gonna put in

1337
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: the time and you need to absolutely thirty minute rule.

1338
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: I was always telling myself thirty more minutes. Just the

1339
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: thirty more minutes. It's like another half an hour, man,

1340
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: that's all. You gotta have just thirty more minutes and

1341
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: then sure enough, then by the time it's one, and

1342
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: then you're like, it's one o'clock. What am I gonna do? Like,

1343
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're in the right spot,

1344
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean typically how I personally, you know, if I

1345
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: had to, if I had to average it out ninety

1346
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: percent at the time, my all day sits are. You know,

1347
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: I've got lunch snacks, water in my pack, starting one

1348
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: spot in the morning because I'm usually there for a

1349
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: morning reason, right, and then and then just get down,

1350
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: moved who whatever is going to capitalize on evening or

1351
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: or some type of later in the day and then

1352
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: set up again immediately. So it's like I'm all day.

1353
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: It's just I might be in two different spots depending

1354
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: on what looks like. But don't I mean, there's absolutely

1355
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: those spots where you just you know, train features, habitat location,

1356
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: reason for why you just you ride it out dark

1357
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: to dark all day and you just you gotta I

1358
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: mean for me, and then you know it gets tough, right,

1359
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd be been there. It's it's November twenty

1360
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: and you're just like, gosh, I've been doing this for

1361
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: the last thirty days and it's like I'm just you know,

1362
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: beat and tired, and you know, I just want to

1363
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: lay down and take a nap, and you do it.

1364
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: But it's like they need to start thinking about you know,

1365
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: literally between January in August, the fifty miles I've scouted

1366
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: and I've walked and scouted and I've and you know,

1367
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: the different you know, the investment of time, time away

1368
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: from my family, the wife, time away from you know, everything,

1369
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: and it's like, what are you doing it? I mean

1370
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: it's like, if why would I bail now? Right? Like

1371
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: everything I've done all the time and the commitment. So

1372
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: it's like that helps me too. It's like I've got

1373
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: so much invested in this and it's fun. It's a

1374
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: good thing. It's gonna feel so good when it pays off.

1375
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, not if but when. You've got

1376
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: to just have that that mental mindset of just that

1377
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: positivity of not if but when, And and sometimes you

1378
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: find those perfect places or those beautiful spots where you

1379
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: do just gotta sit there and write it out. Yeah,

1380
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: And I think recognizing that's real important. And also what

1381
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: you said there where you know you're gonna hunt all day,

1382
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: but it might be from two different locations that that

1383
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: happens by choice and by necessity a lot. And so

1384
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: I think I think we've sold this idea of the

1385
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: dark to dark sit is the answer to the rep problem, bums.

1386
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: And it certainly can be if you if the wind

1387
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: holds up for you and conditions stay in your favor

1388
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: and you've got that faith. But man, I I've had

1389
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times I had this happened last year.

1390
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: I went into a spot, you know, like November five, six,

1391
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and I was I was gonna sit

1392
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: all day. It was a creek crossing, it was, it

1393
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: was right on a million different accounts, and I saw,

1394
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: like I can't I think I saw seventeen deer or something.

1395
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: By like ten o'clock in the morning, it was on,

1396
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: but the wind was like not doing what it was

1397
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: supposed to, and it kept getting worse as it got warmer.

1398
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: And then I had somebody else come in on me,

1399
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: and at like eleven o'clock, I was like, now I'm

1400
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: doing more damage here than good. And I say this

1401
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: because I had a backup, like I could walk out

1402
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: there and get to my truck, go to a new spot.

1403
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: And I always know that when I go in for

1404
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: an all day sit because that stuff happens that you

1405
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: can't control. And so if if you go out there

1406
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I'm gonna sit here from dark

1407
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: a dark and something happens, if you don't have that backup,

1408
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: you don't have you don't have something in mine where

1409
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, if this one blows up, I'm

1410
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: going here, then it's easy to go home, or then

1411
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: it's easy to just maybe even worse right out that

1412
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: spot hoping the ruts gonna save you when the wind

1413
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: is dead wrong. That's that's danger ground or danger zone

1414
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: there for sure. Absolutely, and planning too, I mean. And

1415
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: on the other side that point is if you plan

1416
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: for it, if you plan for it, all they sit.

1417
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: If you're going with the mindset of man, I can't

1418
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: wake up to wait, wait tomorrow, mynight, I got my

1419
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: lunch pack, I'm gonna have food, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1420
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: be good to go. There's not gonna be any reason

1421
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: for me to come out of there. If you go

1422
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: in with that mindset there's gonna be like you said,

1423
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: wind switch, something changes you're seeing for whatever reason you

1424
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: know you're This happened to me last year. I went

1425
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: in and there was one of those spots where here

1426
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: in Illinois where I knew it was gonna be great.

1427
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: And it was just ridge, the thick top crp field

1428
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: that dumped down into these this creek bottom and there

1429
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: was three ridges kind of like a turkey foot all

1430
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: came together right there at the bottom. And I was

1431
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: up on one of those ridges, well a hundred yards

1432
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: away where I know I was set up here. I

1433
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: knew there was a good sign, and I you know,

1434
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: and I knew it was a good spot. I was

1435
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: gonna sit dark to dark, well hundred yards away, you know,

1436
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: by ten o'clock. And after the fifth buck came through

1437
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 1: and like the twelfth year on the other ridge yards

1438
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: of me, I was like, hey, dummy, get down and

1439
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: go over there to the other ridge and set up.

1440
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: And that's what I did, um, and I had to

1441
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: cut another couple of bucks, you know, good do nothing.

1442
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: No shooters came by, but another couple of good ones.

1443
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: So I mean, just again going with the mindset, I

1444
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: think that you're I'm prepared to be here all day

1445
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: and I know I'm in a good spot at high

1446
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: level of confidence. I've got food, I'm good there, I've

1447
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: got play of clothes, I'm not gonna get cold, you know,

1448
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: just just doing everything you can, but obviously being willing

1449
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: to make those adjustments like I had to. I mean,

1450
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: like I said, my all day you know, all day

1451
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: sit and you know, basically resulted in a hundred yard

1452
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: move and then I was there for the rest of

1453
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: the day. But I mean, the right mindset saying I

1454
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: can tackle this thing. I can do this all day

1455
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: sit thing, and I know it's gonna pay off. But

1456
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: just you know, don't be blind to those other things

1457
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: too that you know, if you need to adapt and

1458
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: do something different than do something different. What's your go

1459
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: to snack for all day sits? Oh man, I am.

1460
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: I go back and forth, so I would. I grew

1461
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: up my dad always when he started taking me hunting

1462
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: before I could even hunt, you know, and it's like, gosh,

1463
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: you you're taking your little girls. You gotta be prepared, right,

1464
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: you gotta have the snacks. You gotta be dialed in

1465
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: because it's you know, it's gonna matter so it was

1466
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. So nine am is pop tart time. So

1467
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: that was what all growing up through my youth, it

1468
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: was like always, so I still honor that. Sometimes it

1469
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: rotates back and forth. I rotate back and forth between

1470
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: cliff bars and pop tarts, but usually it's always either

1471
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: one or one or the other at night am, so

1472
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: that's my first snack. Lunch is either oh, it varies

1473
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,479
Speaker 1: kind of a lot. Um. I'd say it varies between three.

1474
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: I either have a few slices of cold pizza um,

1475
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: either like a turkey sandwich or a wrap or a

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01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly. So there's either a couple of

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01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: those sandwiches for lunch, and then an afternoon snack is

1478
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: usually like I'll try and do something a little bit healthier,

1479
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: like some have a like raw edgies like a carrots

1480
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: or chowlery or something like that, or um or even

1481
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: uh um, another like another cliff bar, sometimes an apple

1482
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: something like that. So that's kind of what my but

1483
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: I like to eat. Man almost I'm a big dude.

1484
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I'm not a I'm not a

1485
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: little guy. I like I like to eat. I gotta yeah,

1486
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: and honestly, if there's something that chases me out of

1487
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: the out of the woods earlier, if I or if

1488
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: I have a weak moment, it's always hunger like. It's

1489
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: never tired, it's never cold, it's never anything like that.

1490
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: I can battle all that stuff. But man, if I don't.

1491
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: If I'm not prepared with food, I'm out interesting. You

1492
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: are much more responsible with your food choice than I am.

1493
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: I uh, you know when you when you mentioned bringing

1494
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: you I want to hear your list? What do you want?

1495
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: My list is embarrassing. I I'm almost always bring two

1496
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: yeties full of coffee. Now, I drink coffee all day long.

1497
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: I hate it. I uh, I'm just an addict. Man,

1498
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: I gotta have something, and so I bring I always

1499
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: coffee is is mooe im portante. Gotta have it. And

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01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: if you were if you were to look in my

1501
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: backpack on like November seven, you would be like, okay, well,

1502
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: Tony just obviously gave his nine year olds like a

1503
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: hundred dollars and said go candy shopping, because it's just

1504
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: freaking you rated their trick or treating stash. You just

1505
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: brought it all with you. It's embarrassing. Dude, I eat

1506
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: so much candy when I'm when I'm sitting all day,

1507
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: and you know, I do make like a decent sandwich

1508
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,839
Speaker 1: or two for the day, usually to like turkey sandwiches

1509
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: or something, and I try to try to make them

1510
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: because it's that's a weird situation, you know how This

1511
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: is like when you when you go elk Hunning or

1512
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: out West, where you should be hungry all day, a

1513
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: lot of times you're really not, like you kind of

1514
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: got to bring food that you're you're gonna want to eat.

1515
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: So you know that that's a mistake a lot of

1516
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: people make when they go el Kunning. Is like they

1517
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: buy the food people tell them to buy. You know,

1518
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: this is only a couple of ounces and its x

1519
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: amount of kellori. You gotta have this almond butter or something.

1520
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: It's like, well, if you don't like almond butter, this

1521
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: no boyne, you know, like because you're not gonna eat it,

1522
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: Like even though you'll be in this weird state of hunger,

1523
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna eat it. And so I tried, like

1524
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: with a turkey sandwich, I try to like make some

1525
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: bacon beforehand or something like I have something like where

1526
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at that sandwich and be like I

1527
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: want to eat that, not like I have to force

1528
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: myself to eat it, and I can't really do. Like

1529
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned cliff Bars. I get a little bit physically

1530
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: sick thinking about cliff Bars because that was like our

1531
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 1: go to thing for so many years. And I've got

1532
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: to I've got a hunt and buddy who's he's really

1533
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: cheap and he bought cliff Bars for one of our

1534
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: trips like fourteen years ago, and he still brings that

1535
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: bag around like we still haven't finished it. And so

1536
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're ten years beyond their expiration date.

1537
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I I have stuff I've My

1538
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: mom is not a very good cook, so growing up

1539
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: we ate the same four or five meals all the time,

1540
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: and there's certain things like I cannot Yeah, like if

1541
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: you if you were like if you put a plate

1542
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: of Google losh in front of me, I would be like,

1543
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: oh god, that's one of my face everorite deer hunting,

1544
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite darhunting meals. My mom makes

1545
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: awesome goople I love No, no, thanks, yeah, no, I

1546
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: can't do it. And so I A long story along

1547
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: my back my backpacks full of stuff that you shouldn't eat,

1548
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: probably like my backpacks full of candy and ship that

1549
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: you should not eat. But I I like to reward myself,

1550
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: so I you know, you said, like, oh, another half hour,

1551
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: another half hour, I do stupid ship, Like I'll be

1552
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: sitting there like I'm gonna give myself a drink of coffee.

1553
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat like a Snickers at ten o'clock and

1554
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: then at noon, I'm gonna have some more coffee and

1555
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat some Eminem's or something like. I have

1556
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: to do these little games, you know, Otherwise it's you know,

1557
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: like you said, man, it's if it's hard to stay

1558
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: out there, it's you know, we sell this terminator, you know,

1559
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: kind of attitude of like, oh, it's it's you know,

1560
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: go out and sit dark to dark, and like it's

1561
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: not that easy. No, if you're a human being, No,

1562
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, it's it's not. I mean, you

1563
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: get you get distracted, you get frustrated, you get you know,

1564
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: you get tired. It's yeah, I mean everyone has I mean, yeah,

1565
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: everyone rides that is flirting with that burnoutline. At some

1566
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: point in the season, I mean it's gonna happen for sure,

1567
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, I love that. I might have to do that.

1568
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: I might have to I might have to adopt the

1569
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: food or food reward things for staying on standing. I

1570
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: think that's good. I mean, that's and that's where it's like,

1571
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: you got I agree with you totally. You gotta get

1572
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: it's and that's what's fun about the season. It's like

1573
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: you're traveling, like you know, we got cases here in

1574
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: the Midwest, and it's like, I mean that's pretty much

1575
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: my diet, which is not great, but it's Casey's pizza,

1576
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, the the little chicken tender like cups that

1577
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,440
Speaker 1: they've got or like these you know, the pork tenderloin

1578
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, it's got this little like you know,

1579
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: have circle sized bun, then the and then the pork

1580
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: tender one that's the size of your head. You know,

1581
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 1: you're eat You're you're eating those. That's like your diet.

1582
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: You get excited about that. You're like, this is awesome.

1583
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: I get this. When I get to live on for

1584
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: the next month, this is cool. You know. That's what

1585
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: when you know, back when Mark Kenyon was actually cool,

1586
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: right like when he used to have his rut like

1587
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: he'd have his rut set up where it's like oreos

1588
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: and mountain dew and like all this stuff. And now

1589
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: you know he's he's super healthy and you know, just

1590
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: I guess better than us. But because he's like a

1591
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: freaking robot, it's probably I was gonna so let's wrap

1592
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: this up. What do you think Mark's ideal snack is. Now,

1593
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say celery plane and maybe like a box

1594
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: of raisins or something. He seems like he would eat raisins.

1595
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a ziploc bag

1596
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: of a couple of handful of bulls of unsalted, unroasted

1597
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: raw almonds. Yeah, he seems like that that would be

1598
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: a good a good choice for him. Yeah, because the protein, right,

1599
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: and it's got the good fats, and you know he'd

1600
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: be dial so his brain development, so he knows exactly

1601
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: when the blind call. Oh man, I love it, alright, buddy,

1602
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: I know you gotta get you gotta get packed up here.

1603
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: We got a lot of stuff to do. I really

1604
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. Man. Good luck in South Dakota.

1605
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: Good Luck when you get home and you you kill

1606
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: a big one on Illinois. Good luck for the rest

1607
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: of the red Buddy, Thank you, man, I really appreciate

1608
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: it's fun talking to me as always, and good luck

1609
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: to you man. I know you've got a lot of

1610
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 1: hunts coming up to and you're gonna be hitting it hard,

1611
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: so best of luck to your shoot straight awesome. Thanks buddy.

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01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,360
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