1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: This is one of the classic episodes that people still 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: write to me about on social media, and sometimes when 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: someone catches me in the wild and the field, they 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: want to talk about cannibalism. How do you protect yourself 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: against the people that want to talk cannibalism with you. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: I'm an open book in a meadow on a sunny day, 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: man a, m A. That's how I treated. It's weird though, 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: right like it's it's such a in many cases, it 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: is a cultural and social taboo for most, but not all, 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: of societies throughout history in the world. And the thing 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: that I think continually fascinates me. Here are the different 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: types of cannibalism. Encounter and Matt. I don't know if 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: we asked this question uh in the episode, but one 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: of the big, one of the big questions I had 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: was whether eating one's fingernail counts as cannibalism or whether 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, when like kids eat their boogers not to 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: beat too crass, is that cannibalism. I mean, it's not flesh, flesh. 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: I don't think accounts or eating hair, eating hair. I 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: don't know where in this episode we're really just talking about, 20 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, the flesh parts, the stuff under the skin, 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: the meat that we're all made of, and eating that 22 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: because it usually because you have to resort to it, 23 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: sometimes because it's part of a ritual. Let's learn about 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: cannibalism together right now. From UFOs to psychic powers and 25 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can 26 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want 27 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show. My 28 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: name is Matt. I am no, they call me Ben. 29 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: Hopefully you have a name as well. Welcome to stuff 30 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Ladies and gentlemen, As 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Timothy Leary used to say, turn on, tune in, drop 32 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: out of the mainstream. Malarkey, have we got a show 33 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: for you? You know what I say, Ben, what's that? Malarkey? Schmilarkey? 34 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: You have said that often? Yeah, you know what I 35 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: always say? What's that? Don't eat other humans? But is 36 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: it wrong to eat people? I think so in our 37 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: modern society. Sure, you guys were not here to make 38 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: judgment calls. Okay, we're here to report the facts and 39 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: the you know, conjectures surrounding said topic. Yes, that is correct. No, 40 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: we are looking at cannibalism fact and fiction today. As 41 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: Matt pointed out just a second ago, cannibalism is a taboo. 42 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: It is a great and it's an ancient taboo. But 43 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: it is also a practice that is as old as 44 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: human civilization, older than Western civilization, as old as the 45 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: passage of the stars first measured by man. It may 46 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: predate civilization. There is evidence that human beings. You know, 47 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: we did our earlier show on the difference, let's say, 48 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: demo reels of what would become modern humanity. Dennisovans, Neanderthals, 49 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: the Hobbits out in Indonesia. There's evidence that I thought 50 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: they lived in New Zealand. New Zealand. Oh, that was 51 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: the worst I've been worked. I had a pretty good 52 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: New Zealand accent for a while. You should watch Hunt 53 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: for the Wildered People. You'll get in real quick. You know. 54 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: Flight of the Concords helped me with it. Some of 55 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: the same folks, some of the same folks. No kidding, Mary, 56 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: Mary's in it. Maybe he plays a conspiracy theory. Not 57 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: who lives in the bush? It's on. It's on the 58 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: top of my must be fantastic. Yeah, alright, but we digress. Oh, yes, 59 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: what's I mean, no, we're all we're all digressing together. 60 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: And what what else is a conversation if not a 61 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: series of matroshka dolls, you know. Uh. So there is 62 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: evidence though that even before the Homo sapien that we 63 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: know now was on the scene, early man was eating itself. Yeah. 64 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: There's this place called Goes Cave in Somerset, England, and 65 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: in this cave there were discovered animal bones and human 66 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: bones that were placed together. Uh it's from fifteen thousand 67 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: years ago, that's when these these bones were placed in there. 68 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: The bones displayed evidence of the fleshing, the skin ripping 69 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: off of it, marrow extraction, like crushing those bones and 70 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: getting all the good insides out of delicious marrow and 71 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: get this human teeth marks on both animal and human bones, 72 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: which is which is horrifying, but still not quite proof 73 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: positive of cannibalism. I mean, obviously it's damning evidence, but 74 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: they're the only The only proof positive we have of 75 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: cannibalism is actually found in human feces because there is 76 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: a protein that can only come from human flesh that 77 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: will end up in human feces if someone is eating 78 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: someone else. You like, how we're getting right? To the 79 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: grossest part. Yeah, this is this is great. I'm loving 80 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: this especially I'm imagining all the different things that people 81 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: could be doing while listening to this. That's actually the 82 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: tagline for cannibalism is I'm loving this. Yeah. Yeah, McDonald's 83 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: took it too, I'm loving it. But now we changed 84 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: the word. Okay, we changed the word uh, the same 85 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: way Vanilla Ice took that Queen's. Remember he did get 86 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: sued though, yeah he did. Did he win? I don't know. 87 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: So let's put this in the historical context. The fancy 88 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: five dollar word for cannibalism is anthropopagy. And my girlfriend 89 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: loves their clothes, but I find them really overpriced in detention, 90 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: and they keep eating their customers, right, not cool. I 91 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: feel so worried about you every time you go into 92 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: that store. I try try to avoid it at all costs. 93 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: So here's here's the deal with cannibalism. For a long 94 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: long time, accusations of cannibalism have been used to dehumanize 95 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: groups of other people. Right Crystal Bala Cologne Street named 96 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus rationalized some horrific things he did to the 97 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: natives of the Caribbean by saying that he was bringing 98 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: Christianity to cannibals, or that he was, you know, stopping 99 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: their acts through somehow slavery and mass pillaging and rape. 100 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, he also said that, uh, the native peoples 101 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: that he met when he landed the air Wak I 102 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: think his name of the tribe in North America, and 103 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: they they told him, or allegedly they told him that 104 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: there was another group it was outside of theirs, that 105 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: practice cannibalism, and hey, Christopher, you should be careful those guys. 106 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: Don't go near them. They were really doing a massala. 107 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: He really did not pay it forward. No, he said, great, 108 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: move new slaves. But there Yeah, but there was also 109 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: no evidence and there has been no evidence to show 110 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: that that was true. Right, so we see that cannibalism 111 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: is one of the ultimate accusations. Yeah, it certainly can 112 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: exist almost as like a specter where people are suspected 113 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: of doing a thing and you kind of like, there's 114 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: this lingering, you know, do they don't they Well we 115 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: heard they did, so we better steer clear, you know, 116 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, or we our community is acting 117 00:07:54,880 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: in self defense rather than aggression. Legends of adjacent cannible 118 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: groups are across six of the seven continents, unless something's 119 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: going on in Antarctica that we are not aware of 120 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: at this time. But we do know that this great 121 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: debate is aside from that socio political context. We do 122 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: know that cannibalism does occur. As Matt pointed out, it 123 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: occurred repeatedly and often in ancient times. It also it 124 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: also occurs in the past and the recent past, recent 125 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: enough that people you know, including maybe yourself, depend on 126 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: when you were born, were alive when acts of cannibalism occurred. 127 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,599 Speaker 1: And it also occurs in isolated incidents via individuals. So 128 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: our question today will be how prevalent is cannibalism, how 129 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: much of this stuff is a rumor, how much of 130 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: it is fact? And to do that we're gonna lean 131 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: on an article at our parent web site, How Stuff Works, 132 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: and you can check it out now. It's how Cannibalism Works, 133 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: written by josh Clark of Stuff you should know. Oh yeah, 134 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: that's right, Joshua, with this one. That guy's into some 135 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: freaky stuff, sure is. No, Hey, no, what's the first 136 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: type of cannibalism? Well, I'm glad you asked, Ben. It 137 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: just so happens. The first type of cannibalism is what's 138 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: known as survival cannibalism. So this is sort of a 139 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: Donner Party esque kind of situation, So consuming human flesh 140 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: in the hopes of surviving long enough to eat something else. 141 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: So not for funsies, not for funsies. Unfortunately, sometimes that 142 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: time for eating other things, delicious nuggets, chicken nuggets, whatever, 143 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: never comes, so you end up kind of you know, 144 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: exhausting your uh, your buddies in the form of you know, 145 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: digesting their flesh, and then you're left to starve and 146 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: also feel like a terrible, monstrous human person. Yes, here's 147 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: an example. In the eighteen hundreds, four men on a 148 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: yacht named Mignonette were sailing from England to Australia and 149 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: they were stranded in a lifeboat after the yacht sank 150 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: in the Atlantic. They were adrift for more than two months, 151 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: and they they captured one sea turtle and rationate as 152 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: they could. They eventually ran out of meat. One of 153 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: the men was a sailor named Richard Parker, and he 154 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: got so desperately thirsty that he drank seawater, and of 155 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: course his health declined more precipitously than his three surviving shipmates. 156 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: As he lingered between death and life with morbidity looming 157 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: in front of him, the shipmates said, will kill him 158 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: and eat him rather than waiting for him to die 159 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: of natural causes. And there's a brutal logic to that 160 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: as well that we can explore. I'm just gonna really 161 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: quickly point to me out here, and it just struck me. 162 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: Have you seen Life of Pie? Yes, I'm aware of that. 163 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: I've not seen anything. Isn't the tiger's name Richard Park? Yes? Huh? 164 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: And they're like stranded on a ship spoiler alert, it's 165 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: so much as like the whole movie. Yeah, alright, sorry, 166 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: but that's interesting and the Life of Pie, which is 167 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: a wonderful book, and uh, I was a fan of 168 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: the film as well. We see the shipwreck situation repeated 169 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: in fiction. Unfortunately, this fiction is based on fact because 170 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: for a very long time it was a code of 171 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: the sea. It was understood that if people were stranded 172 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: and the shipwreck, someone may well end up being consumed 173 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: by the other people. And oddly enough, another twist here 174 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: is uh for fans of Ed Grallan po and the paranormal. 175 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: Around the same time, roughly A. Grolland po wrote a 176 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: short story called The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pen. He 177 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: wrote that in eight thirty eight, And that's pen p 178 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: y m, which follows almost exactly the real life story 179 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: of Richard Parker. Is it synchronicity? Is it a young 180 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: Gian super consciousness? Is it? So? Did he hear about 181 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: it maybe and then wrote about it? Did he hear 182 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: about it before it happened? Or did he do it 183 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: to them? Did he somehow do it to them? But 184 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: speaking of the ritual, what is it the ritual of 185 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: the sea or the code of the code of the sea. 186 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: I've got three straws here, boys, I don't think we've 187 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: reached that place yet. We can find out, we can 188 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: find out who's gonna eat who you're gonna eat me? 189 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: Guys the same size. Well, they're got the short straw. 190 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: You have to kill him? Is there a hierarchy here 191 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: because you got the long straw? And wait, and you 192 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: brought the straws, brought the straws out. But hey, you chose. 193 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: There's a another example that happened more recently. And listeners, 194 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: this may have occurred in your lifetime. This may sound 195 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: familiar to you. There was a plane crash in nineteen 196 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: seventy two of forty two people included a Uruguayan rugby team, 197 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: which is what probably the reason you may have heard 198 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: of this before it got The story of this event 199 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: got turned into a movie called Alive. Also of a book. Uh, 200 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: there are several places where you can read about this 201 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: and a sweet Pearl Jam song. Yeah kidding, I don't 202 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: note there. So keep in mind it's minus thirty degrees 203 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: fahrenheit out there. That's super cold. Um. Now, you've got 204 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people who didn't make it through the 205 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: initial crash. Their bodies are there. Um, you don't have 206 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: much to eat because you know, they had some supplies, 207 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: some wine and chocolate it was on the plane, but 208 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: it was very limited. There was also an avalanche that 209 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: they had to deal with and ended up killing eight 210 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: more of the surviving people that were killed. Half of 211 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: the survivors, eight of the sixteen. The bodies of some 212 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: of the people who were here that are frozen. Or 213 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: do we die? Do we all just decide to die. 214 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: That's a tough choice to make, and they made it 215 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: and they were ultimately rescued. Yes, they were driven to 216 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: desperation after seventy to seventy two days, and they took 217 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: a sort of a Hail Mary ten day trip to 218 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: find some sort of civilization and they ran into a 219 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: Chilean herder. I believe who brought them back. This kind 220 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: of cannibalism is uh, you know, it's frightening. And we 221 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: drew straws in ingest, but were the three of us 222 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: on a boat and in desperate circumstances, who knows what 223 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: would occur. And Matt, I think you're right. It is. 224 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: It is a tough decision, and I don't mean to 225 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: denigrate it at all, but also it's a decision that 226 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: I feel like, I know most people. Oh I know 227 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: what most people would decide. Very very few people, including 228 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: you vegetarians in the audience, would slowly starved to death. 229 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: And the worst part about this kind of cannibalism is 230 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: that it encounters rabbit starvation. Rabbit starvation is something that 231 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: happens when someone's diet is only lean meat. So when 232 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: people are driven to cannibalism in this sort of situation, 233 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: the person that they're consuming unless they were already dead. 234 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: If everybody was starving, and they just ate the first 235 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: one who expired from starvation or dehydration. Then the food 236 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,359 Speaker 1: that they are eating from that body is not nutritious 237 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: enough to sustain them. There's no fat, so they will 238 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: continue eating while they are starving because their body has 239 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: enough lean meat. What it needs is some sort of nutrition. 240 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: So the worst part of this sort of cannibalism, unfortunately, 241 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: is that it doesn't help. And that is rabbit R 242 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: A B B I T starvation. Yes, yea. So we 243 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: talked about the we talked about the Code of the Sea. 244 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: I've talked about survival cannibalism in small groups, but it 245 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: has happened in large scale events as well, most notably 246 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: for history, buffs the Siege of Leningrad. Perhaps this was 247 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: a nearly three year siege. Eight hundred and seventy two days. 248 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: A million people died easily from various circumstances, right from war, 249 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: from hardship, from being abducted, butchered and eaten. The population 250 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: was slowly starving with no way to replenish the food supply. 251 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: Gangs of starving people roamed the street like fair old dogs. 252 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: The city had to dedicate an entire unit of its 253 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: dwindling law enforcement justified cannibalism, and people were arrested. Hundreds 254 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: of people yea. As a matter of fact, two hundred 255 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: and sixty people were arrested for cannibalism and the parents 256 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 1: kept their children inside at night for fear that they 257 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: would be abducted. Absolutely no. This shows us that people 258 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: will eat one another, not just in small isolated groups, 259 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: but entire cities can be driven to cannibalism under the 260 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: right circumstances. If this seems strange to you, ladies and gentlemen, 261 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: look around. Is there anyone in the room with you? 262 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: Are you outside? Is there anyone walking by? If there's 263 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: no one near you, think about the closest person. Think 264 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: about what would happen the next time you're trapped in 265 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: an elevator. Right, Think about what would happen the next 266 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: time you're stranded somewhere. How long would it take you? 267 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: What choice would you make? And we will ponder that 268 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: question and others when we returned from a quick sponsor break. 269 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: So our second type of cannibalism is what's called learned cannibalism, 270 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: essentially a socially reinforced form of form of eating human flesh. 271 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: And there are two types of this. Yeah, there is 272 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: endo cannibalism, and that's one that occurs within the group, 273 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: the social group in which you exist. And there are 274 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: several examples of this. Most of the examples we have 275 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: our tribes, tribes in Indonesia and New Guinea, several other 276 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: places like that. This is what you might describe as 277 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: ritualistic cannibalism, brand for sure. So like the Wari tribe, 278 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: practice is Indo cannibalism in the in the form of 279 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: UH mortuary cannibalism. UH. They're also known as the Paca 280 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: Nova and they are in Brazil, and so this sort 281 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: of cannibalism occurs when they So what happens is when 282 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: a when a valued member of the society dies, the 283 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: closest relatives hug embraced the deceased person. They leave the 284 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: body for three days approximately, and then they send out messengers. 285 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: So in the time between the death and the actual funeral, 286 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: it's an average of three days. But that's not a 287 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: hard and fast rule. And of course this is in 288 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: the Amazon, so decomposition sets in very quickly. It is 289 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: a hungry, hungry environment. And once they arrive, once all 290 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: the relatives arrive, they build a fire, they remove the 291 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: visceral organs. They roast the body and then they have 292 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: attendant relatives consume the flesh to a suadge to the 293 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: family's grief, because what what they thought. What they think 294 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: thought of this is that by ingesting this corpse, the 295 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: dead person is living on in some way in the 296 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: body of their family, transferring over and transferring the soul, 297 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: rather than being abandoned to wander the forest alone as 298 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: a spirit. So it's considered an act of compassion rather 299 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: than an act of desperation. And in its own way, 300 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, the reasoning behind that is beautiful. And then 301 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: there is the Foray tribe in Papua New Guinea, which 302 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: you have probably heard of if you have looked into cannibalism. 303 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: So upon the death of a member of this community, 304 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: the women in the family, the maternal kin, dismember the corpse, 305 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: removed the arms and feet, stripped, the limbs, removed the brain, 306 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: cut open the chest and take out the organs. This 307 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: is where um, this is where you hear about kuru, Right, 308 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: I've heard of this, Yes, so kuru? Is this infection 309 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: you can get from consuming a human brain? Yeah? Is 310 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: this from the prions? Like um? Like mad cow? Yeah, 311 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: and so this, uh, the thing is that people who 312 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: died of kuru there was a bit of a positive 313 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: feedback loop because those people would die um quickly, right, 314 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: and they would have still have a layer of fat 315 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: on them that resembled fatty pork, so they would be 316 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: choice bites. And this this produced, um, you know, has 317 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: produced massive complications. There's also an X Files episode about 318 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: people transmitting couru to each other. Uh. And then there's 319 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: another tribe in Indonesian New Guinea. Yeah, this is the 320 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: coral I tribe and it the practices of the coral 321 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: I tribe in the path asked that that's what we're 322 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: talking about here. It appears that most of cannibalism within 323 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: this tribe has ceased. Um. But in the past, when 324 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: a member of the tribe died for some less than 325 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: obvious reason, let's say a disease, something internal that you 326 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: couldn't see. They didn't fall out of a tree, or 327 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, die in battle or get attacked by an animal. 328 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: If this occurs, then it was believed that their death 329 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: was caused by a kakua or a witch man from 330 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: the nether world, which is pretty intense. I think that's 331 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: also a pokemon a kakua. I did not know that really. Listeners, 332 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. Okay, but these kakua were 333 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: only believed to be able to inhabit the bodies of 334 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: a male another male, and when they did inhabit that body, 335 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: they magically ate the interior of the human. So, in 336 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: order to enact revenge on this witch man that is 337 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: eating the insides the core, I believed they had to 338 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: eat the body of the person who died. And you know, 339 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: there's this whole list here of how they prepared the meat, 340 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: which I kind of don't even want to get into, 341 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: but they basically steamed the body and chopped it up 342 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: in order to consume all the parts. And we have 343 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 1: a description here from an interview that Vice conducted with 344 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: someone who spent some time with this tribe that discusses 345 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: exactly how they prepared the human meat. Just for the record, 346 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: the pokemon is a cocuna. But here's the quote. They 347 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: steam everything with an oven made from leaves and rocks. 348 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: They treat it like they with the flesh of a pig. 349 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: They cut off the legs separately and wrapped them in 350 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: banana leaves. They cut off the head and that goes 351 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: to the person who found the cakua. They cut off 352 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: the right arm and the right ribs as one piece 353 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: and the left as another. Theyd everything except for the hair, 354 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: nails and the penis. Children under thirteen are not allowed 355 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: to eat this flesh. They believed the eating the cockua 356 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: is very dangerous, that their evil spirits all around and 357 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: the children are vulnerable. And again this is these are 358 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: practices that occurred in the past. It's thought that now 359 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: these practices are discussed as a way of getting people 360 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: to come and visit the tribes um but you know 361 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: that is unconfirmed currently. There's another one that's perhaps the 362 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: oldest practice of cannibalism, which is exo cannibalism eating a 363 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: member of another family, group, community, tribe, culture, at etcetera. 364 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: For instance, the Mienmen in Papua New Guinea again were 365 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: well known for practicing this. They would raid neighboring villages. 366 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: When an anthropologist questioned members of this community why they 367 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: carried off dead at Bullman's, an adjacent community, uh they 368 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: said they considered them good meat to this tribe. The 369 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: Miamens the at Ballman's, who existed outside their community weren't 370 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: people they were game. They were there to be hunted, 371 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: the same way that the Morlocks hunted the Eloi in 372 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: the Time Machine by she Wells, or the way Gary 373 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: Busey hunted Iced Tea in Most Dangerous, Most Dangerous Game. Well, 374 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: that wasn't what was the movie was just called it 375 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: was called Surviving the Game. Yeah, hunting a person, though, 376 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: is often referred to as the most Dangerous Game. There's 377 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: another example. There was a former secret society and Sierra Leone, 378 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: calling themselves the Leopard Society. They would kill people, they 379 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: would attack them with claw like weapons, and uh they 380 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: would take the human blood and fat of killed members 381 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: of other groups and they would mix it into a 382 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: potion called Borthena was consumed to attract wealth and power, 383 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: similar to a few of those isolated incidents amongst Narco religions. Yeah, 384 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, of course, while we're in that 385 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: part of the world, while we're in South America, let's 386 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: let's look at the Azdec culture of Mexico and Central 387 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: America just a little ways north right. Uh, there were 388 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: large scale human sacrifices to appease the gods, to uh 389 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: attend the god's needs in hopes of gaining greater glory, 390 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: valuable harvest, and so on. Ritualistic sacrifice and harvesting is 391 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: something that we can examine in a later podcast. But 392 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: there was also cannibalism that occurred, and this is not 393 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: necessarily something from the bygone days of civilizations that have fallen. 394 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: In World War Two, when some of our ancestors, right, 395 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: we're traveling across the world waging war, When some of 396 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: our listeners today might have been traveling in one part 397 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: of a war effort or another, hannibalism occurred, especially in 398 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: the Pacific theater. And this is, um, this is recent, 399 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: this horrific. We see that wartime cannibalism is almost its 400 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: own thing, you know it. It can occur in survival 401 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: situations like the Siege of Leningrad, but we've categorized it 402 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: in a different way. When there is an attack in 403 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: military force as engaging cannibalism not because it needs to, 404 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: not because it is looking for nutrition, but because of 405 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: the madness of war. Yeah, it's called battle rage. In 406 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: a couple of places, um, specifically with Iroquois and Fiji cultures. 407 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: It's it's one of these awful things where people if 408 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: they were captured, they would be mutilated, like in front 409 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: of a crowd. Sometimes sometimes up and eating in front 410 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: of a crowd. People talking about taking suit like souvenirs 411 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: or trophies where someone will have like a necklace with 412 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, severed ears on them or something like that. 413 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: You know. And while we're talking about this stuff, this 414 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: darker stuff, let's move to pathological cannibalism, which is the 415 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: maybe one of the It's difficult to make a hierarchy 416 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: for this, so I won't attempt it. But pathological cannibalism, 417 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: pathological cannibalism is what mentally disturbed individuals will do. And 418 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: for instance, well, let's name the elephant in the room. 419 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: We're talking about serial killers. We're talking about Albert Fish, 420 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: We're talking about Jeffrey Dahmer, who famously practiced cannibalism on 421 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: some of his victims. Uh and believe Eve tried to 422 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: conduct trap nation operations in order to create undead uh slaves. Well, yes, 423 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: and this this is the reason it's pathological is because 424 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: this is not a survival situation. This is not a 425 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: socially reinforced thing or a ritual or funereal. Right, you know, 426 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: this is a person who is disturbed acting out on 427 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: their own inner demons, right, acting out on the orders 428 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: of their own inner demons. And then there's another case here, 429 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: of course, that some of us may remember from two 430 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: thousand and one, which we have a quote here from 431 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: an advertisement very built men eighteen thirty who would like 432 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: to be eaten by me? This was an ad taken 433 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: out by a guy named Arman Males m E I 434 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: W E s uh. He was looking for someone to 435 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: consentually be consumed. He found a willing partner and year 436 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: old burned Urgan brands. This was a little bit different. 437 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: It's still pathological cannibalism, but but it was a consenting partner. 438 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: So over the next over the next few months after 439 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: they met, in the first eight pieces of this guy 440 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: uh his genitalia um. After they the genitalia, Arman put 441 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: the guy in a bath, was bleeding, slid his throat, 442 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: butchered him, and over the next few months eight uh 443 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: about forty pounds of his dead body. So it wasn't 444 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: really a crime, but it does lead us to or 445 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: in terms of in legal terms in German courts, this 446 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: wasn't who would make a law for that? Who saw 447 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: that coming? No one, that's a Shamalan move for sure. 448 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: This leads us to another form of cannibalism, which would 449 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: be auto cannibalism. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, do any of 450 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: you bite your nails? Do any of you, uh lists, 451 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: We're continuing to be a little crass engross with this. 452 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: Does anyone pick their nose or eat their boogers or 453 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: chew on the edge of their fingers or their hair? If, sir, 454 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: you are committing an active auto cannibalism. This makes me 455 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: think of a story um from I believe a Skelton 456 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: Crew collection of Stephen King short stories called Survivor type 457 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: where a doctor UM finds himself stranded alone on a 458 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: desert island and has his medical bag and anesthesia and 459 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: systematically methodically anesthetizes different parts of his body and um, 460 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, cuts them off and eats them until he 461 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: has no limbs left. WHOA, that's that's great, Stephen King, 462 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for putting that in my head. And then 463 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: there's what in my opinion, and I wonder hear what 464 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: you think, folks. In my opinion, the most horrific form 465 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: of cannibalism is forced auto cannibalism, forcing someone to eat 466 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: themselves like that scene in Hannibal. Yes, all right, we're 467 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: entering a little bit of spoiler territory here. So if 468 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: anyone hasn't seen the movie Hannibal from what ten years ago? Um, 469 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: years fast forward about a minute and a half. There's 470 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: a scene in this film where um, Anthony Hopkins character 471 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: Hannibal lecter Um has isn't it has a brain open? Yeah? Yeah. 472 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: Raliotis character who's sort of his nemesis in the movie. Um. 473 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: He abducts him, lobotomizes him and cuts out little parts 474 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: of his brain and fry it up in a pan 475 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: and then feeds it him and stuff like this happens 476 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: in the real world. I want to warn you before 477 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: we continue, folks, that this may not be a pleasant story. 478 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: So if you would rather not hear it, this is 479 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: your chance to turn back. We'll keep it short. This 480 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: really happened, and it's important not to forget that these 481 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: things occur. In four in Jackson County, Florida, a group 482 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: around two thousand white Southerners intended to sacrifice a man 483 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: named Claude Neil, an innocent black man. They sent invitations 484 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: about this, they announced it in local newspapers. They castrated him, 485 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: and they forced him to eat his own testicles. And 486 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: then they tortured, further mutilated him, cut off other parts 487 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: of his body. Some saved his mementos similar to wartime cannibalism, 488 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: skinned him and burned him. This is what the human 489 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: species is capable of. Forest auto cannibalism is, in my opinion, 490 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: the most insane and disturbing part of of this entire thing. 491 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: And then, as a palate cleanser, let's go right to 492 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: one another one that a lot of people don't think 493 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: about newly discovered auto cannibals. Matt and I among you 494 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: nail biters, Right, there's another. There's another thing. And as 495 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: symbolic cannibalism, you attend a Christian mass Body of Christ. 496 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: Body of Christ. Yeah, this is something I can't remember 497 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: we've talked about on the show before, but it was 498 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: a new revelation for me. And I guess just because 499 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: I grew up in such a Christian centric environment that 500 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: I never thought twice about that ritual. Um, you know, 501 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: it is symbolic. Of course, you're not actually eating blood 502 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: or body, you of anything. But still, even though it's symbolic. Now, 503 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: some sects of Christianity. Do believe that it is the 504 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: actual body of Christ once it is transubstantiation. Yeah, I 505 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: mean it's mind blowing when you really think about it. Sure, 506 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: from an outsider perspective, it's it's got a sound, you know, 507 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: like cannibalism, and it just seems it's it's so strange 508 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: how things can normalize for people, you know what I mean. Sure, 509 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: it's like if we think back to individuals in a 510 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: human sacrifice oriented culture, then they would say, well, we 511 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: have to do this. Well, that's sort of the nature 512 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: of ritual, isn't it, Where you normalize the abnormal and 513 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: it becomes Of course, we do that. That's just what 514 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: we do. We've always always done that. We've always been 515 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: at war with East Asia, the Middle East or whomever. 516 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: So here's the here's the crazy part. This is a 517 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: brief check in because we're we're running out of time 518 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: today and we'll have to come back next week. Cannibalism 519 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: occurs in modern context. It occurs in West Africa. It 520 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: occurs in India. It occurs in Papua New Guinea. It 521 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: occurred in North Korea during the famine of the nineteen nineties. 522 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: Cannibalism is much much closer then you may think. It 523 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: is not just some old unfortunate happenstance with shipwrecks. It's 524 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: not just something that an isolated, disturbed individual would do 525 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: to innocent people. In times of crisis, people no matter 526 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: how well you know them, may change, and ultimately the 527 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: human goal, the thing we are built to do, is 528 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: to survive by any means necessary. Not all of these 529 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: forms of cannibalism that exists in the modern age are 530 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: necessarily bad or criminal. Right. There is ritualistic, spiritual cannibalism, right, 531 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: the propitiation of the dead in in other terms. For example, 532 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: in India, there's the a Gory tribe, and these are 533 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: cannibal monks. They feast on human flesh, they drink from skulls, 534 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: They live amongst the dead. But they are not um. 535 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: They're not going out and killing people. They will chew 536 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: the heads off live animals. They meditate on top of cadavers. 537 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: They live with death, you know what I mean. But 538 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: this is not necessarily criminal. Another thing that we see 539 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: is the allegations of cannibalism amongst the elite. There are 540 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: a lot of allegations of cannibalism among the elites. But 541 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: there is not. I haven't found anything that we can substantiate, 542 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: something that we can come forward and say, yes, absolutely, 543 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: this is happening. Um. There are allegations about Bohemian Grove 544 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: that you've probably read, where they are allegedly human sacrifices, 545 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: the creation of care through the cremation of care, where 546 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: there's a body. You know, it's believed to be just 547 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: a prop effigy and effigy. Yes, but you know there 548 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: are people who think otherwise. Who knows, I've never been there. 549 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: The only people I know have been there are presidents 550 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: and you know, some of the elites and Alex Jones. 551 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: So we are going to end it here today, Ladies 552 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, on a question, would you eat someone's to survive? 553 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: Do you have the will power to let yourself slowly 554 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: starved to death rather than consume human flesh? How prevalent 555 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 1: do you feel cannibalism is? And what do you think 556 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: about the spiritual nature of consuming human body parts? Yeah? 557 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: Do you think there is power to be gained by 558 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: doing that? Somehow? 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