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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: We're understanding in a much more objective way the power

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Speaker 2: of music on the human brain. Do we know that

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Speaker 2: it activates our brain like nothing else on earth? You

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Speaker 2: know that when you just listen to music, the parts

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Speaker 2: of your brain that are responsible for movement, language, attention, memory, emotion,

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Speaker 2: all of these things are activated when we just listen

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Speaker 2: to music. And there's nothing else on earth that activates

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Speaker 2: our brain like music does.

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Speaker 3: I'm Lyn Hoffman, and welcome and thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for joining us for another episode of the Music Saved

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Speaker 3: Me Podcast, the podcast where we discuss the healing powers

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Speaker 3: of music with artists and musicians. Now, if you like

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Speaker 3: this podcast, we think you'll like our companion podcast called

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Speaker 3: Taken a Walk, hosted by the awesome buzz Night. Now,

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Speaker 3: today we're taking a slightly different angle with our discussion,

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Speaker 3: because today we get to talk about the actual scientific

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Speaker 3: connection of music's healing powers with one get this of

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Speaker 3: only two hundred and fifty music therapy fellows in the

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Speaker 3: world and the creator of the first ever FDA approved

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Speaker 3: prescription music product for stroke victims, mister Brian Harris, who

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Speaker 3: is also the CEO of med Rhythms, a company he

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Speaker 3: founded after carving out a quite remarkable career as a

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Speaker 3: neurological music therapist. Brian Harris, Welcome to Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much. It's really an honor to

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Speaker 3: Well, this is fascinating stuff because everyone understands that music

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Speaker 3: can be very powerful as a tool, but it would

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Speaker 3: seem that you have proven, beyond a shadow of a

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Speaker 3: doubt that the healing power of music is really far

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Speaker 3: bigger than anyone could have ever imagined.

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Speaker 4: Am I right, Yeah, it's really incredible.

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Speaker 2: I think all of us as humans have the experience

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Speaker 2: where music has changed us in some way. It's made

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Speaker 2: us feel emotions, happy, sad, etc. But now, through the

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Speaker 2: advancements of neurotechnology, neuroimaging, neuroscience, we can begin to understand

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Speaker 2: music in a completely different way. And that way is

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Speaker 3: It sure is now I've read I'm going to go

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Speaker 3: a little out of order here because usually I like

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Speaker 3: things first began. But I read something so powerful yesterday

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Speaker 3: that I have to share it with our audience. You said,

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Speaker 3: that music will change the future of global healthcare. Can

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Speaker 3: you explain to us exactly what that means, because it

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Speaker 3: sounds so exciting and promising.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is very exciting.

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Speaker 2: And I think when we think about that very statement

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Speaker 4: The future landscape of global healthcare.

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Speaker 2: Because number one, we're understanding in a much more objective

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Speaker 3: So if we could rewind, because that's just incredible news,

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Speaker 3: Well, how did your career path after that happen take

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Speaker 2: their family members who were saying, you know, Brian, you

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Speaker 2: And really, you know, as a clinician, that was really

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Speaker 4: And that was really the genesis of the company.

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Speaker 3: what you're doing. So congratulations on bringing it to the forefront.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about med rhythms and how neuroscience

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Speaker 3: guessing it's like in your company name, rhythm has a

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Speaker 1: Can you give it?

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Speaker 3: I heard you speak about things like live preferred music

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Speaker 3: But I mean a specific example maybe of what you've

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Speaker 3: using your product, which we're going to get to exactly

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Speaker 3: what it is, but rhythms, meaning like people walking on

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Speaker 3: to make you understand that you need to do more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's really amazing about the power of music,

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Speaker 3: Wow, the power of this is just exponential in the world,

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Speaker 3: and we're right on the precipice right now with AI

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Speaker 3: It's only going to help us. It's like taking a

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like I'm humbled by what you're doing,

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Speaker 3: And thank you for the amazing work of med Rhythms

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Speaker 2: more importantly, doing what we can to make an impact

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Speaker 4: Who need it.

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Speaker 2: People want to learn more about the company, they can

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Speaker 2: go to www. Dot Medrhythms dot com and we also

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Speaker 2: have our first product is called in Tandem. They can

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Speaker 2: also go to in tandemarx dot com as well to

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Speaker 3: And I also want to let everyone know that you're

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Speaker 3: not paying to be on this show. This is not

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Speaker 3: a commercial for your product. This is really collaborative people

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Speaker 3: who want to help the greater good coming together to

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Speaker 1: And so I thank you for that as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. It's certainly an honor and a privilege,

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Speaker 4: So thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to meet you, Brian