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All right, 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: a lot of headlines to get to. Today, the world 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: and the nation still mourns the passing of President Jimmy Carter, 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: who died yesterday at the ripe age of twenty one 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: hundred years old. Believe it or not, lots of accolades 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: of tributes flowing in about the thirty ninth president of 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: the United States, and rightfully so. His post presidential era 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: was marked by some pretty extraordinary humanitarian achievements. But it's 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: also important for all of us to remember here in 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: America that many of the things that still haunt us today, 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: many of the problems that we're still dealing with that. 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: President Trump is going to have to face Come January twentieth, 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: emanated and began on Jimmy kbswatch, and we just sold 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: a couple at you. The Panama Canal. He gave it 24 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: to a Panama and the Treaty of nineteen seventy seven. 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: A lot of people then said, hey, someday that's going 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: to be a security concern. Today China has bookend contractors 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: all around the canal, raising significant concern about whether that 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: will remain a free passageway for the world and its ships, 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: despite the treaties claim that it will. Similarly, he created 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: the Education Department tends of billions of dollars. Later, performance 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: in our schools is no better than it was when 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: they created the department back in nineteen seventy nine. Statistically, 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: it has not really done anything to improve education in America. 34 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: And that's the government's own statistics saying that. And of 35 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: course the Iranian Revolution occurred on his watch. We know 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: of the problems that the Mullah's still ruling today pose 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: America and the Western world. The hoodies, the hamas hesblab 38 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: just a few of the legacies that we've seen. It 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: was Jimmy Carter, who made the decision to stick with 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: the show instead of trying to switch out the government 41 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: and maybe save it from the radical Mullas who eventually 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: would take over and didn't take our hostages at the 43 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: embassy back in nineteen seventy nine. That policy in those 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: moments reminded us that he often advocated for the policy 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: of appeasement when it came to diplomacy, something that often 46 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: didn't work well when other powers, certainly bad powers, were 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: at work. Those are some things we have to keep 48 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: in mind, even as there are very significant tributes in 49 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: rightful tributes to the president. One other thing, big news 50 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: that happened just a little bit ago. President like Donald 51 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: Trump through his weight behind Mike Johnson to be the 52 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: next Speaker of the House, trying to clear the way 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: from some conservative opposition who are concerned that Mike Johnson 54 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: didn't do enough in his one year at the Helm. 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: President Trump's endorsement is going to be fine. Followed by 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: a private meeting between Trump and Johnson at Marlago on 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: January first, on New Year's Day. We'll be keeping an 58 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: eye on that. I was able to confirm that just 59 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: a little bit ago all right, We've got a great 60 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: show for you today, including Oklahoma's state school Superintendent Ryan Walters, 61 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: who's doing some amazing with work. But first let me 62 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: turn to my amazing coast Amanda Head. Amanda, A lot 63 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: to think about the Jimmy Carter reminences, Donald Trump's still 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: in action. What's top of mind for you as we 65 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: head into well the new year? 66 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: Well top of mine. 67 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: I did notice that in President Trump's announcement of his 68 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: endorsement as Speaker Mike Johnson. You know, if you're viewing 69 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: it on your cell phone, the announcement was about this 70 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: big and about this much of it, what had to 71 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: do with the election, and how little President Trump's campaign 72 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: spent on the election, and how much the Kamala Harris 73 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: campaign spent on the election, including multimillion dollar endorsements by 74 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: Beyonce and Oprah and others. So I found it interesting 75 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: that it was really just that last sentence to our 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: president said, oh, and by the way, I'm endorsing Speaker 77 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: Mike Johnson. So I always have to wonder if President 78 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: Trump attaches some of these major announcements that he knows 79 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: are going to be very newsy, and that the media 80 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: is going to be covering. I always have to wonder 81 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: if he attaches that to something else that he wants 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: to make the media cover, because a lot of them, 83 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: you know, they have failed to recognize the fact that 84 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: these were extremely lopsided campaigns when it came to the 85 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: expenditures and John. When I think of Jimmy Carter, you know, 86 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,119 Speaker 3: I wasn't alive, but I think back on another foe 87 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: and what we now know as far as North Korea, 88 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 3: they have what we know of too nuclear centrifuges as 89 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: a result of Jimmy Carter. 90 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: So that was another legacy he does. 91 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: You know, he has a mixed legacy, but one thing 92 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: I know where his legacy is very strong is as 93 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: a Bible teacher in the state of Georgia. We were 94 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: actually just with some family members yesterday who lived in 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: Columbus for much of their married life until recently, and 96 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: they talked about Jimmy Carter's legacy on the state of 97 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: Georgia and just how much he loved the Lord and 98 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: loved his church and loved his wife Rosalind, of course, 99 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: and so that is a beautiful part of his legacy 100 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: that he leaves behind, separate from any disagreements I might 101 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: have with his diplomacy or foreign policy. 102 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to meet there a couple times. He 103 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: really was a gentleman. He was a godfaring man. He 104 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: really cared about people, and I think those things will 105 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: always be a part of his extraordinary legacy in the country. 106 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: As policies, though, Donald Trump has a chance to fix 107 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the things that started as problems in 108 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: the Card administration. I think that's the exciting opportunity of 109 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Another exciting opportunity is down in Oklahoma, 110 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: where the education system is really being reinvented before our eyes. 111 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: Whether it's school choice or teacher accountability, or requiring that 112 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: the Bible be taught as an important piece of literature 113 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: in schools. Oklahoma is leading the way. It's the envy 114 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: of many states right now, joining us right now. The 115 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: man who is at the head of that revolution, Oklahoma 116 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: State Public Instruction Superintendent Ryan Walters, Superintendent, to have you on. 117 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Happy New Year. 118 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: Thank you both for having me. 119 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: You have a lot going on there. The Bible. That 120 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: was one of the things we talked about last time. 121 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: You have but now you've got some new standards that 122 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: you're implementing a lot of conversation excitement about that. Tell 123 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: us what's going on there? 124 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 4: Yeaes sir, you know, we're very excited. We've got the 125 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 4: Bible back in the classrooms here in Oklahoma. It never 126 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 4: should have left, but we're getting it back in. But 127 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 4: the other thing that we're doing the nation is watching, 128 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 4: and other states need to be following our lead in 129 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: is we're changing our history standards. We're driving out all 130 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: of this woke nonsense, all this anti American nonsense. We're 131 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 4: going to go back and our kids are going to 132 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 4: understand American values. They're going to understand the role that 133 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: Judeo Christianity play throughout American history, the belief in the Bible. 134 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: They're also going to understand what made America great. They're 135 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 4: going to understand what our founders believe. They're going to 136 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: dig into those primary source documents. They're also going to 137 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 4: understand the role that everyone played. You mentioned Jimmy Carter there. Look, 138 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 4: we're going to study every president, regardless of party, and 139 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: we're going to take a look at everything that they've 140 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 4: done in their past. And look, we're going all the 141 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 4: way up to President Trump. They're going to understand the 142 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 4: impact President Trump had on this country. They're going to 143 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 4: understand how much she meant for the economy, for our 144 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: foreign policy, and really strength in America. So we're going 145 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 4: to make sure that our kids know that. I mean, look, 146 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 4: the only way we can continue to be a great 147 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: country is if we're honest with our kids. We talk 148 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: about our values, we talk about our history, and that's 149 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: what's going to happen in every Oklahoma class room. 150 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: As superintendent, there seems to be a renewed fervor for 151 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: patriotism and you know, possibly on the spiritual side of 152 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: things in this country. 153 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: We've seen indications of that as well. 154 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: Have you seen your counterparts in other states move in 155 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: the same direction in doing some of the things you're doing. 156 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, we've seen, you know, Governor Abbitt in Texas, 157 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: they've rolled out, you know, putting the Bible back in 158 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: some of their standards. We obviously saw Louisiana and the 159 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: governor over there doing a great job as well. And 160 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: that's where, look, we have got to get back to 161 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: this understanding. Look, you look at where American society has 162 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: gone since we removed prayer in the Bible. Lot of schools, 163 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: every indicator of society. You've got teenage suicide through the roof, 164 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: teenage drug use through the roof. These are all things 165 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 4: that happened when you create state sponsored atheism by saying 166 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 4: we're never going to mention the role the Bible had 167 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: in American history, We're never going to mention morality or 168 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: religion in its historical context. Well, look, the country wasn't 169 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 4: founded and wasn't forged by people who were a religious 170 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: or atheist. It just wasn't the case. If you go 171 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 4: when you read their letters, you read the documents, it's 172 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 4: obvious faith was a very important part of their lives. 173 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 4: Our kids need to understand that that was very important 174 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 4: throughout American history. It helps our kids understand that full 175 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 4: context and helps us continue to be this great country. 176 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: So I see this spreading all over the country, and look, 177 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: I got to give the credit to President Trump. President 178 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 4: Trump was very very direct on this. 179 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: In his first term. 180 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 4: He laid out the path to say we're going to 181 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: get prayer back in school. He rolled out the seventeen 182 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 4: seventy six Commission in his first term, which was tremendous. 183 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 4: It was how you get your schools back to understanding patriotism, 184 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 4: American history. These are things that will inspire the next generation. 185 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 4: We're happy to follow President Trump's lead on that. And again, Oklahoma, 186 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 4: we're leading the country in this, but every state you've 187 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 4: got to teach young people about American exceptionalism, about patriotism, 188 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: about the role the Bible played in American history. This 189 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: is so key to making America great again. 190 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you and I have had these conversations. I 191 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: think it's really important. Now. Some people try to misconstrue 192 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: this as proselytizing in the schools. That's not what you're doing. 193 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: You're trying to restore from historical censorship some of the 194 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: forces that shaped this country that teachers and others have 195 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: tried to excize from the curriculum, which actually really deprived children. 196 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: You've got a couple critics, right, ACLU and Teachers Union 197 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: have been finding you, But you've got some pretty strong 198 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: legal arguments to combat then, don't you. 199 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 5: Oh, we absolutely do. 200 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 4: I mean, and by the way, you know all these 201 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: left wing you know, groups George Soros sponsored groups like 202 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 4: the ACLU. Listen, these are the groups that tell you, 203 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 4: under the guise of inclusivity, you should have gender queer 204 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 4: and flamer in every classroom, pushing transgenderism on them, but 205 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 4: not the Bible, that they equate the two the same. Wait, 206 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 4: hold on, you know that these are the same. But 207 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: you know, really, we got to be inclusive when it 208 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: comes to transgenderism and all that nonsense. 209 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 5: But not the Bible. 210 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 4: Well, the Bible was the most read book in American history, 211 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: was cited by every American president, was cited throughout our history. Well, 212 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 4: of course you have to have some understanding of the Bible. 213 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 4: You don't understand American history. And again, we're not pushing 214 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 4: religion on kids. We want them to understand history as 215 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: it occurred. And again the Left, Hey, look they like 216 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 4: to be offended and cancel things and cancel people. Well, 217 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 4: we're not doing that here in Oklahoma. You're not going 218 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 4: to cancel American history. Okay, you're going to understand why 219 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 4: did Jefferson say our rights came from our creator. You're 220 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 4: gonna understand why Lincoln talked about God's providence. You're going 221 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: to go into depth about Martin Luther King Junior and 222 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 4: his vision for following God's law. Look, these are things 223 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 4: that our kids need to understand. They need to know 224 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 4: it's our history. They've got to learn from it. And again, 225 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: we're not going to back down to these woke activists 226 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 4: that come in and just like they did President Trump. 227 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, they just. 228 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 4: Sue, sue, sue, sue to try to get you locked 229 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 4: up in a courtroom to not do what's just common sense. 230 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I've had Democrats, Republicans into all across the 231 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 4: aisle go. I mean, the Bible is a part of 232 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 4: American history. I don't know how anybody can deny that. 233 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 4: And I tell them, well, listen, the left is used 234 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 4: to gaslighting America when they love doing this right. Oh, 235 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 4: the Bible had no impact in American history. 236 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 6: You know. 237 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 4: I literally had a commentator on CNN, you know, tell me, well, 238 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 4: how do you know that. You know, Jefferson wasn't talking 239 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 4: about you know, CHRISTIANU, the Hindu god, And I go, 240 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 4: you haven't taken American history class. Apparently there's no one 241 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 4: in the late eighteenth century thought that Jefferson was referring 242 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 4: to a Hindu god when he said our rights came 243 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 4: from our creator. But that's the gas lighting that we 244 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 4: see occurring to our kids. It's got to stop to 245 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: get this country back on the right track. 246 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, common sense. 247 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's quite the argument that person shows. I want 248 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: to ask you about abolishing the Department of Education, because 249 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 3: this is an idea that is really really starting to 250 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: pick up steam. A lot of Americans or a lot 251 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 3: of parents, even teachers, have looked at the failing grades 252 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: of our school system and said, maybe there's time. 253 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: For a change. 254 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: However, this is a fully instituted, fully congealed aspect of 255 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: American educational society, and it's going to take a lot 256 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: if we decide to do that, to move everything back 257 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: to the state into the localities. How do you even 258 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: begin to do that? How long does the process take? 259 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: And does it interrupt education? 260 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's going to quote interrupt education in 261 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 4: the fact that it's going to disrupt the status quo, 262 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 4: which has to happen. What we've seen is America has 263 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 4: been the greatest country in the history of the world. 264 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: Then we brought in a Department of Education that's literally 265 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 4: driven down education and every single academic statistic. We've gotten 266 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 4: worse at reading, science, math, we know less about our 267 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 4: history now than ever before. So all of these things 268 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 4: have gotten worse since we created a federal department of education. 269 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 4: This disruption has to occur and listen the belief and 270 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 4: I mean, boy, I'm telling you would the Founder's not 271 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 4: be rolling over in their grave with this argument from 272 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 4: the left of I mean, if if DC doesn't tell 273 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 4: us how to educate our kids, I mean schools, it's 274 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: just going to be such a disruptive thing. It's like, guys, 275 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 4: this power belongs to the states, the Constitution, that tenth 276 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: Amendment are crystal clear on that number one. Number two, 277 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 4: states have to be empowering families. I mean, we've gotten 278 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 4: so far. We've allowed the left to win this argument 279 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: for too long. Give more power to bureaucrats, give more 280 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 4: power to government, and our kids will magically get smarter. Well, 281 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: that's just not true. As a matter of fact, the 282 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 4: opposite is true. The more that you give power to 283 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 4: the government, less power families have. And that is so 284 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 4: key that parents keep the power in their kids' education. 285 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 4: That's why every teachers union, that's why every one of 286 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 4: these federal bureaucrats, they always fight school choice because they 287 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 4: don't want to allow parents to have that ultimate power. Well, 288 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 4: here in Oklahoma, parents have school choice. But we've got 289 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 4: to get rid of the Federal Department of Education so 290 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 4: that states and families can be truly empowered over their 291 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 4: educational choices. One of the things we've launched here too 292 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: is hey, look to graduate high school, we want you 293 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: to have all these pathways open to you. Whether that's college, 294 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: whether that's going directly into a job or a workforce 295 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 4: or a training program. We want all of those available 296 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 4: to you. Because we know, listen, not every kid's going 297 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 4: to go to college. And that's fine. As a matter 298 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 4: of fact, that's great. We've got some kids that are 299 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: going directly into into engineering projects and are going into 300 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 4: welding things like that. Those are fantastic jobs and careers. 301 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 4: We want to encourage our kids. Hey, what are your 302 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 4: God given talents. Let's get you aligned with those talents, 303 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 4: and let's get you off and running. Get you in 304 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 4: a good job where you can have a high quality 305 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: of life and build a family of your own. And again, 306 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 4: that's what you want for your kids. That's what parents 307 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 4: are demanding for their kids. 308 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so, we just got about a minute left. 309 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: I want to ask a little bit about Jimmy Carter's legacy. Obviously, 310 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: when someone of his historical import dies with lots of accolades. 311 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: Rightfully so. But as time looks back, how should students 312 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: be taught about the Carter presidency? 313 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: Look, I think this is a great question. And listen 314 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 4: to President Carter. Look, he was a statesman. You know, 315 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 4: his impact, especially after coming out of the White House, 316 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: was tremendous. You know, a guy that really gave a 317 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: tremendous amount from him and his family to his fellow man. 318 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: You know. But let's and I think when you study history, 319 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 4: we've got to be upfront with our kids. Now, it 320 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you're a Republican Democrats, what's your background 321 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: is We've going to go in and say, here's what 322 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: happened while this person was president, here were their policies, 323 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 4: here was the impact, Here's what it is. That's what again, 324 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: the difference between conservatives and liberals. Liberals want to lie, 325 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 4: they want a gas light. They want to teach this 326 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 4: version of American history to teach kids that hate this country. Well, look, Conservatives, 327 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 4: what we want is real history. That's what we want. 328 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 4: We want to say, Hey, what's the good, the bad, 329 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: and the ugly. What happened? We want to teach you 330 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: guys how to really do a deep dive into these events, 331 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 4: and again we know where you're gonna end up. You're 332 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: gonna end up understanding the greatness of America. You're going 333 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: to understand these values that we're put here. But again, 334 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 4: you need to be taking a look at every single president, 335 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 4: their accomplishments, their impact, and how that played out. And 336 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: it's so important as you make decisions. Again, we're a 337 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 4: constitutional republic where we choose our leaders here. It's so 338 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: important that our kids know how to study history and 339 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 4: learn the lessons that history teach. 340 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Us, something you've been doing with great accolades and great 341 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: progress in Oklahoma the last few years, mister superintendent. Great 342 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: honor to have you on. A happy early new year 343 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: to you. We'll be sure to get you back on 344 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: after the first of the year. Happy new year. 345 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 5: Thank you guys very much, Thank you sir. 346 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: Great to have you on. All right. Coming up back 347 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: to the break Fate. Legal mind Alan Dershowitz will be 348 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: here along with the authors of his new biography discuss 349 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: is incredible life. Thus far, We've got some great stuff. 350 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: I just had a conversation early too. You're going to 351 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: enjoy this. But first, a quick message from our sponsors. 352 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. 353 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: I know you're going to be You're going to love 354 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: our next segment because one of these guests you're very 355 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: familiar with. He is a frequent guest on our show 356 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: and a dear friend of our show, a brilliant legal mind, 357 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: Harvard Law professor Emeritis Alan Dershowitz, and also the man 358 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: who wrote the biography about him. It is doing so 359 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: well across all the book purchasing platforms. I encourage all 360 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: of you to go out and check it out. Alan, 361 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: great to see you again. And Solomon, welcome to the show. 362 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 5: Thank yous. Have you so much everybody. 363 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: Solomon, I'm going to go to you first, before Alan 364 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 3: has a chance to protest. I want to know what 365 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: it's like working in concert with Alan Dershowitz, trying to 366 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: capture all of his life and his accomplishments in a book. 367 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 7: Well, Alan, as you can see, has the energy of 368 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 7: a college age kid. I mean, he's almost ninety years old, 369 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 7: but he's I mean. 370 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 5: I couldn't keep up with that. 371 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 7: In your phone calls, I would be listening to the 372 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 7: notes that he would be, the content he would be 373 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 7: giving me, trying to take notes as quickly as I could, 374 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 7: and his mind just works at lightning speed. So without 375 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 7: trying to flatter him, he's a nice guy, compassionate guy. 376 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 7: But the book, I mean, it's not just fascinating because 377 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 7: of Allan's historic accomplishments. Three hundred or so legal cases, 378 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 7: sixty books, fifty years at Harvard. I mean, some of 379 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 7: the people I talked to for this book are just 380 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 7: as Stephen Bryer, President Trump, Mike Tyson, Oh J. Simpson. 381 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 7: I talked to him three months before he passed away 382 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 7: RFK Junior, et cetera, et cetera. So that Alan has 383 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 7: this monumentally interesting historic career, but also this fascinating human story. 384 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 7: He was a punk when he was growing up. We 385 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 7: were talking about this earlier today. He was not expected 386 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 7: to do well. I mean, mothers of girls in his 387 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 7: neighborhood told told their daughters don't have anything to do 388 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 7: with a VI Dershowitz, that. 389 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: Was his nickname. 390 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 5: He's one of them. Said, He's a boy with no future. 391 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 7: He had terrible grades in school, was poorly behaved, just 392 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 7: a nightmare to his teachers. So how did that kid 393 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 7: from Brooklyn end up here on the screen in front 394 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 7: of us with the ears of presidents and prime ministers 395 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 7: and senators and secretaries of state, having sat at his 396 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 7: feet at Harvard Law School. As you all know, he 397 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 7: was the youngest tenured professor in the history of Harvard 398 00:18:59,480 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 7: Law School. 399 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 5: So well, there's just a myriad. 400 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 7: Of ways that his life, your life, Allan, is fascinating. 401 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and you've done a great job capturing 402 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: and here Solomon, Well there's a theme here and I 403 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: want to ask Alan about it because it's captured so 404 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: brilliantly throughout the book. You begin your career, Alan in 405 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: the midst of the Joe McCarthy McCarthyism era, and they're 406 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: a Republican. He's trying to cancel people based on their 407 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: alleged ties to communism. And at the latter end of 408 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: your career, the liberals are the ones using almost similar tactics, 409 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing in roating free speech. 410 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: The irony that at the beginning, in the latter years 411 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: of your career you saw that same tactic. By the way, 412 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: it didn't matter for a Republican or Democrat, you stood 413 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: out against it. 414 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's getting much worse than it was during 415 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 6: McCarthy period, much worse because McCarthyism was a remnant of 416 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 6: the past. It was looking back to the nineteen thirties 417 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 6: where you were communists. The new McCarthy as looks to 418 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 6: the future. It shows us what America may be like 419 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 6: in ten years or twenty years when these young kids 420 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 6: who are practicing McCarthyism and censorship, when they become members 421 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 6: of Congress, the editorial board of The New York Times, 422 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 6: partners in law firms and in Goldman Sachs, and so 423 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 6: it's much more dangerous. The new McCarthy is much more 424 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 6: dangerous than old McCarthyism. You know, I have to give 425 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 6: so much credit to Solomon, both Solomon's, but I'm talking 426 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 6: about young Solomon. Now, he was in a danger when 427 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 6: he started writing this book, and he got to speak 428 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 6: to everybody. He found out things about me that either 429 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 6: I didn't know or had forgotten. And for me, it 430 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 6: was eye opening, and I found out what people thought 431 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 6: about me. 432 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 5: By the way, there's something being wrong technically. 433 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 6: And although I'm able to hear everything you're saying, I 434 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 6: was not able to hear a word that Solomon said. 435 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 5: I try to read his lips, but I couldn't. 436 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 6: So if you want to ask me any questions about 437 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 6: what he said, You're going to have to tell me 438 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 6: what he said, because unfortunately I didn't hear it. 439 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 5: But I think people should read this book. 440 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 6: Solomon is a great writer, great interview or he will 441 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 6: become a great historian. You know his hero and mine 442 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 6: is David McCulloch, who I was a friend of, and 443 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 6: he follows in the tradition of David McCulloch objective. 444 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 5: Down the line fair. To this day, I still don't 445 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 5: know what Solomon Schmid's politics are. 446 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 6: I have no idea who we voted for, if he 447 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 6: was even old enough to vote, And I don't know 448 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 6: whether he's a Republican a Democrat. I know he's a 449 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 6: Christian and a very serious Christian. I admire him tremendously 450 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 6: for his faith, but I have no idea what his 451 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 6: politics are. 452 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: Pretty cool, Alan, trust me, he only had nice things 453 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 3: to say about you, And I think that this book, 454 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 3: I think is important for people to read because you 455 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: are one of the few lawyers out there who, when 456 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 3: it comes to your legal compass, it's pretty immovable, regardless 457 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: of the Overton window, regardless of politics, your legal compass 458 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: always points to Due North. 459 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 2: And I want to ask you about that with respect 460 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: to some of the people you've defended. 461 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: Reflecting on someone now who is then the news cycle, 462 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 3: Luigi Mangioni, this young man who walked up behind the 463 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: healthcare executive and shot him in cold blood, hard guy 464 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: to defend. 465 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: How would you defend him? 466 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 5: Oh? Well, first first question that any lawyer has to 467 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 5: ask is how does. 468 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 6: He want to be defended. Does he want to plead 469 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 6: insanity or does he want to say, look, I did 470 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 6: the right thing. I did it rationally, I did it 471 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 6: in order to the insurance companies that we're fighting back. 472 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 5: So the first thing you have to do as a 473 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 5: criminal lawyer is and you have to know what he wants. 474 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 6: And then if you think it's not going to be 475 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 6: good for him, you can turn the case down. You 476 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 6: can say sorry, I'm not doctor sick of Orkie, and 477 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 6: I'm not going to walk you into a death cell. 478 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 6: I'm not a suicide doctor. I only defend cases where 479 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 6: I think I can win. But you have to know 480 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 6: what the client wants. And if you want to oppose 481 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 6: an insanity defense, that's plausible. If he wants to say 482 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 6: he wasn't the guy who fired the shot, I would 483 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 6: not take that case because you would lose all your 484 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 6: credibility in front of the jury, you'd get an even 485 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 6: harshest sentence, and it would not serve the interests of 486 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 6: the client. And I could not defend an implausible case. 487 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 6: You can make arguments, but you can't as a lawyer. 488 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 6: You can't just deny the truth to say that black 489 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 6: is white. 490 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: Alan And the part you couldn't hear from Solomon, he 491 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: was talking about that extraordinary transformation from a student that 492 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't give a chance of succeeding 493 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: to one of the greatest legal minds of our generation. 494 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: Somewhere out there tonight, there's a parent or a child 495 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: out there watching this, and maybe on that same course, 496 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: what was the secret to you turning yourself into what 497 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: you've be coompany? 498 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,239 Speaker 6: Well, when I took history, and I loved history, and 499 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 6: you know, I'm partly a historian. 500 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 5: I've written books about Jefferson. My history teacher called me. 501 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 6: And I had gotten like an eighty two on the test, 502 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 6: which is higher than I normally got. I graduated with 503 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 6: a seventy seven average. I was thirty ninth out of 504 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 6: a class of forty seven. And my teacher called me 505 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 6: in and said, don't let the B plus go to 506 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 6: your head. You're a C student. You'll always be a 507 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 6: C student. You've always been a C student. And you know, 508 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 6: I just wanted to prove him wrong. And so I 509 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 6: was the bottom of my class in high school, and 510 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 6: then I finished first in my class in college in 511 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 6: law school. You know, I grew up and I wanted 512 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 6: to be successful. Neither of my parents went to college. 513 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 6: Nobody in my family had gone. I was the first 514 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 6: person of my family. 515 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 8: To go to college, and I wanted to prove myself 516 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 8: and I worked very hard in college and law school. 517 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 8: But nonetheless, even though I was first of my class 518 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 8: at Yale Law School, the most elite law school in 519 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 8: the country, sabringco at law Clerk, editor in chief of 520 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 8: the Yal Law Journal, I was turned down by all 521 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 8: thirty two law firms that I applied to because I 522 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 8: was a Jew from Eastern Europe with a name like Dershowitz, 523 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 8: and they weren't hiring. 524 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 5: People like me back in the day. 525 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 6: Then twenty five years later, when my son graduated from 526 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 6: the same law school, he got job offers by every 527 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 6: law firm. Everything had changed overnight. But you know, what 528 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 6: you tell your kids is focus on your own strength and. 529 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 5: Look at what you can do well. 530 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 6: I believe in what's called multiple intelligences, that people have 531 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 6: different capacities and different abilities. But I want to get 532 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 6: back to the book because I just think it's so 533 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 6: remarkable that a young man like this could get to 534 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 6: interview Donald Trump and get to interview the people that 535 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 6: he interviewed, people who don't give interviews so easily. 536 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 9: He has this ability to talk to people and get 537 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 9: them to open up to him. And as I say, 538 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 9: they told him things about me I didn't know, and 539 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 9: it's quite remarkable. 540 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 5: So I enjoyed reading the book. 541 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 6: Although it's not an authorized biography, he could have said 542 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 6: anything he wants. So if he likes me, it's because 543 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 6: he likes me, it's not because I had any control 544 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 6: over it. In fact, I didn't read the book until 545 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 6: it was published, and I had what was in it. 546 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 547 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 3: Well, when you have a subject like Alan Derschwitz, I 548 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: would imagine when you're sourcing people to have a comment, 549 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: they're going to have some really wonderful things to say 550 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: about you. Alan, you really have had such a legacy 551 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 3: and a career. 552 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 553 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 6: Well, me and he printed them, and that's the right 554 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 6: thing when you're a biographer. 555 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly, absolutely, absolutely, Oh, Alan, we have always 556 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: loved having you on the show, and you know, we 557 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: always have you on to talk about books that you've written. 558 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 3: This this is really refreshing to have you on and 559 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: your author on, your biographer on to talk about a 560 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 3: book written about you. 561 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: There it is. 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Simon, 598 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: great to have you on the show, Thanks for having me, 599 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Before we turn to Canada, I 600 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: just want to quickly ask a quick question about the 601 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: legacy of Jimmy Carter. Obviously very popular in death, lots 602 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: of rightful accolades, but also a man with the Panama 603 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: Canal Iron some of the other things that went on 604 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: in his presidency, the world still actually engulfed in a 605 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: lot of those controversies today. 606 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 10: Yes, I mean, look, I think at times like this 607 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 10: one't always has to separate the personal from the professional. 608 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 10: We can evaluate his foreign policy record, his domestic policy 609 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 10: record and conclude that it. 610 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 11: Was not the most successful of any US president. 611 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 10: But as a human being, I had the pleasure of 612 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 10: meeting President Carter once in Ghana after he was president, 613 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 10: of course, and he was the most charming, modest, decent human. 614 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 11: Being that I've met in political life. 615 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 10: He served his country as a nuclear engineer in the Navy, 616 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 10: and look, he did his best, and he was always 617 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 10: a gentleman to the end. So I very respectfully salute 618 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 10: his service to the country and we can leave the 619 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 10: dissection of the record, which, as you point out, is 620 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 10: definitely has some flaws to historians. 621 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: Well said, absolutely, Simon. 622 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: Let's shift north of the murder, and I want to 623 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: ask you about as President Shup prefers to him Governor Trudeau. 624 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 3: Of course, Canada's Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, someone who especially 625 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: recently within the last year, has had some pretty deep 626 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 3: political troubles. He was saved by one province, basically. 627 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: The Canadian people. 628 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: You've got provinces that are traditionally very very liberal on 629 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: the left coast and British Columbia that are voting for conservatives. 630 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: It's different from what we've seen in quite a while. 631 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 3: With President Trump referring to him as Governor Trudeau. Does 632 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 3: that change the dynamic for our relationship with them? And 633 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,239 Speaker 3: what do you think President Trump is actually trying to 634 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: do by saying, let's add Canada as the fifty first date. 635 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 10: Look, no one is better at the game of trolling 636 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 10: than President Trump. He loves to hand out nicknames and 637 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 10: he loves to rip people, and Justin Trudeau is at 638 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 10: the nader of his career. I mean any government under 639 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 10: the Canadian or British system where they have parliamentary sometimes coalitions, 640 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 10: but an exchange of power every five years, sometimes ten years. 641 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 10: After about ten years, it doesn't matter who they are, how. 642 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 11: Popular they were when they came in. 643 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 10: People have had enough and Trudeau has really tanked the 644 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 10: Canadian economy. He's brought in mass immigration on a scale 645 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 10: that is just unbelievable. I think seven percent of the 646 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 10: Canadian population came in in the last four years alone. 647 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 10: And Canadians have just had enough, and so they have 648 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 10: similar issues to the United States, and I think for 649 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 10: similar reasons, but maybe after a longer time, They're almost 650 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 10: certainly going to see the end of Trudeau far before October, 651 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 10: which is the final deadline for holding an election. 652 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 653 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: Really interesting. There's another thing. I was talking to Canadian 654 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: government official a couple of months ago, and they said, 655 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: we need radio free Canada because free speech in Canada 656 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: is under so much assault that it's actually is there 657 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: going to think of dogging that way, But freedom and 658 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: free speech has really become a casualty of this Prime Minister. 659 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about what's going on in 660 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: Canada on that issue. 661 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 11: Yeah, there'd be some really disturbing events over the past year. 662 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 10: One I remember is when the truckers were down protesting 663 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 10: that they were losing business because of COVID restrictions. The 664 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 10: government went out of its way to deep bank them 665 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 10: to make it impossible for them to run their businesses. 666 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 10: And another incident on the free speech front is that 667 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 10: there was a city in Canada that was fined a 668 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 10: large sum of money for the size of the city 669 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 10: from not organizing a Pride Month celebration in what is 670 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 10: it may or June. 671 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 11: And Canadians are not They don't have the same constitution 672 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 11: we have. 673 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 10: They don't have the Bill of Rights and the free 674 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 10: speech provisions that we have had in our First Amendment. 675 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 10: And I've been really surprised to see the far left 676 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 10: turn that they've taken just in the past five years. 677 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 3: Really well, when you disarm your public except for select 678 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: hunting rifles, then you start to see a lot of 679 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 3: the other rights start to fall away. 680 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about. 681 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 3: Culturally what could have possibly led to this, because I 682 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: had a conversation with some Canadians recently and they talked 683 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 3: about the culture of Canada versus the culture of the 684 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 3: United States and the birth of our country versus the 685 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: birth of canad And obviously, for Americans, we have this 686 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: pride and being somewhat belligerent towards our government and being 687 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: birthed out of true grit and blood and sweat and tears. 688 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 3: And Canada they're very polite, and it seems like they 689 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 3: don't want to ruffle feathers. And it also seems like 690 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: with respect to a lot of these rights that are 691 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: stripped away and a lot of the wokeness that Canada 692 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 3: is experiencing, are they really just too polite? 693 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 11: Well, you know what's too polite? 694 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 10: They're definitely, I think suffering from the same problem that 695 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 10: maybe the Brits are, which is that they are used 696 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 10: to obeying their leaders. They're polite, they don't want to 697 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 10: ruffle feathers. They don't have the tradition that we have 698 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 10: of being you know, armed and angry and looking out 699 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 10: for anybody who's trying to step on us and take 700 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 10: away our rights. 701 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 11: And I feel like they were probably backed into a. 702 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 10: Corner further than many people wanted to go, which is 703 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 10: why we're going to see, you know, a turnaround very likely, 704 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 10: and a more conservative government put back in place that 705 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,959 Speaker 10: hopefully can roll at some of this stuff. 706 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of people looking forward to 707 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: that real quickly this time. And if Trudeau is on 708 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: the way out, who are the sort of leaders we 709 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: should be looking at as the next generation of leaders 710 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: in Canada. 711 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 10: Well, the odds on favorite to win the election is 712 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 10: Pierre Palievre, who's the leader of the Conservative Party, and 713 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 10: he's an excellent speaker, just a funny guy, very dry 714 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 10: wit and just a no nonsense conservative and I think 715 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 10: all the betting is on him winning and his party 716 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 10: taking over in before October. 717 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: Pretty exciting stuff, pretty historic moments ahead, Simon, What a 718 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: great honor to have you on. We love all the 719 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: great work that all the folks at Heritage Foundation do. 720 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: You help us out so much. Great to have you here. 721 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, we'll see on the other side of 722 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: the calendar. 723 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 5: Thank you both, Thank you, Thanks my friend. 724 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: All Right, we're going to take a quick commercial break. 725 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: Let me come back a talk about tolerance, and we 726 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: have a lot of intolerance in America right now. We're 727 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: going to get an update on where that stands. Right 728 00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: after these messages. 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Go to TWC dot 751 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: health slash just news today in order that's TWC dot 752 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: Health slash just News and use the problem code just 753 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 1: news to save ten percent off. 754 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody, you know. 755 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 3: Looking back at twenty twenty four, I feel like things 756 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 3: have gotten even crazier than they have been in the 757 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 3: last decade. 758 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 759 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 3: Maybe we're going to be moving in a better direction 760 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 3: next year. 761 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: We'll just have to wait and see. 762 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 3: But joining us now to talk about what they have released, 763 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four Worst of the Woke Awards from 764 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 3: the New Tolerance campaign. 765 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 2: Gregory t Angelo. Gregory, thanks for being. 766 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 12: Here, Thanks very much for having me back. 767 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 2: All right, give us some First of all, let's lay 768 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: the groundwork. 769 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 3: What were the qualifications or the specifications to be included 770 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 3: in this award or the awards selection? 771 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 2: And who were some of your favorites? 772 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 12: Well, first and foremost, it had to be an event 773 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 12: or an institution that got a lot of headlines. And 774 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 12: I think you'll see if you go to new Tolerance 775 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 12: dot org and look down the list of award winners 776 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 12: for Worst of the woke this year. These were definitely 777 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 12: a headline grabbing instances of woke. 778 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 5: We also wanted to make. 779 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 12: Sure that the awards that we put out really spanned 780 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 12: the entire spectrum of institutions across the United States. So 781 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 12: we have on our worst of the Woke list athletic events, sports, 782 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 12: we have academia, institutions of higher learning, and of course 783 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 12: instances of woke run amok in corporate America. And while 784 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 12: the list is certainly meant to be sort of an 785 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 12: amusing way to look back at previous year and all 786 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 12: the crazy things that the left tried to foist upon 787 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 12: the American people, it's also still like a warning to 788 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 12: America that woke is most definitely something that is still 789 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 12: very much a lot of I think it might be 790 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 12: easy right now for people to look at the results 791 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 12: of the twenty twenty four election or to see the 792 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 12: number of corporations that have stepped back a little bit 793 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 12: from the woke brink over the course of the last 794 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 12: twelve months. But if you look at our list, you'll 795 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 12: see that woke is still very much something that needs 796 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 12: to be addressed. And so our list of award winners 797 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 12: is supposed to be as much warning as it is 798 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 12: something that's supposed to put a smile on people's faces. 799 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: That's a great point, and you're right, there's still plenty 800 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: of woke as am in corporate America. Disney, I think 801 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: was one of the early poster childs. When they went 802 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: to battle with Governor Ron DeSantis in Florida, it cost 803 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: their CEO is down. They went back to their old 804 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: CEO for a while. They tried something this year with 805 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: The Acolyte. Talk a little bit about what Disney learned 806 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: from that experience. 807 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 12: I think, well, I hope Disney learned something from this experience, 808 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 12: although we'll see ultimately what ends up happening the Acolyte. 809 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 12: Never before has there been an instance of the Star 810 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 12: Wars mythology that has tried to shoehorn so much DEI 811 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 12: into every single episode. It was just beating people over 812 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 12: the head with race, with sexual orientation as opposed to 813 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 12: just telling a great story. So it shouldn't surprise folks 814 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 12: that The Acolyte was canceled after only one season and 815 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 12: a lot of rising from critics around the country because 816 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 12: of this focus on DEI that ultimately did it in. 817 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 3: Amazing there's been so much wokeness in the content that 818 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 3: we consume, but it's also permeated the retail space. And 819 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 3: I think it all kind of started with Target and 820 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: the cancelation of Target and a lot of folks refusing 821 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 3: to shop there, and then we moved on to bud Light, 822 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 3: and then Tractor Supply Company and Carhart and John Deere 823 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 3: and a whole host of other companies. What is the 824 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 3: common denominator with some of these companies that were very 825 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 3: quick to turn around and either apologize, get rid of 826 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: their DEI program, whatever the complaint was. There were a 827 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 3: number of these organizations and companies that were willing to 828 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 3: do an about face very quickly, and then some of them. 829 00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 2: Very much were not. 830 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 3: What's the common denominator among those? 831 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 12: Well, if you look across the institutions, the people who 832 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 12: are leading the woke charge are largely in ivory towers 833 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 12: and surrounded by yes men and women. So it doesn't 834 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 12: matter if it's the dean of a college or university. 835 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 12: It doesn't matter if it's the CEO of a Fortune 836 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 12: five hundred brand. It doesn't matter if it's the owner 837 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 12: or the coach of a major sports franchise. People feel 838 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 12: that they have you mentioned target. CEOs have said that 839 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 12: they feel an obligation to weigh in on contentious cultural issues, 840 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 12: that it's their duty to shape the American culture. Now, 841 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 12: for those corporations and institutions that actually did a bit 842 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 12: of a retreat this year from woke, it's because they 843 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 12: heard from the people. And I think this really speaks 844 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 12: to the power of grassroots around the country. 845 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 5: We can make our voice. 846 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 12: It's heard not only in the voting booth, but we 847 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 12: can speak with our wallets and our feet as well. 848 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 12: And I think a lot of these CEOs deans of 849 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 12: colleges and universities got a wake up call when they 850 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 12: found alums who were big donors to the universities calling 851 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 12: up and saying they were no longer going to support 852 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 12: institutions like Harvard or Columbia University for turning a blind 853 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 12: eye to anti Semitism corporations as you mentioned, like John Deere. 854 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 12: We also Harley Davidson was a big one that came 855 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 12: to light this year that stepped back because they heard 856 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 12: from the people who they should have been listening to 857 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 12: the whole time, and that is the consumers that determine 858 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 12: whether a brand succeeds or fails a novel idea. 859 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: Listening to the consumers, do you have a favorite of 860 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: all the ones that you picked this year, which one 861 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: stands out the most to you? 862 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 12: Well, there's a lot, but I have to say it's 863 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 12: the most recent example of woke is the one that 864 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 12: is a personal favorite of mine, and that's Jaguar. 865 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 5: It just happened. 866 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,720 Speaker 12: In December, Jaguar released an ad that amazingly enough, didn't 867 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 12: feature a single car, but had a lot of gender fluid, 868 00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 12: non binary, neon clad androgynoust models in it. And to 869 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 12: make matters even worse, they rebranded the company so that 870 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 12: they took the Jaguar out of Jaguar. The logo for 871 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 12: Jaguar no longer has the big iconic cap that so 872 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 12: many people had associated. 873 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: With the brand. 874 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 12: It even prompted Elon Musk to reply to Jaguar's account 875 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 12: on x and say, do you even sell cars? I 876 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 12: think this is a question that we're going to find 877 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 12: out the answer to next year. Is Jaguar going to 878 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 12: be able to sell cars after this woke revamp of 879 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,720 Speaker 12: the company? 880 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 1: Very interesting? 881 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 3: Can you find out that one a legendary car synonymous 882 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 3: with movies of superheroes and super villains and they decide 883 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 3: to do this. It defies credulity. Honestly, greg oryti Angelo, 884 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 3: thank you so much for everything you're doing over at 885 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 3: the New Tolerance Campaign. 886 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 2: We'll have you back on again very soon. And Happy 887 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 2: New Yar to you, Thank you, Happy ne Hear to 888 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 2: you both. Thank you so much. 889 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 3: All right, everybody after the break. Returning to our show, 890 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 3: Political science professor Nicholas Giordano with the PAS Podcast is 891 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 3: going to be here to talk about the legacy of 892 00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 3: President Jimmy Carter. 893 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Justin News, No Noise. 894 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 3: Yesterday we all learned of the passing of former President 895 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter, who passed away at the age of one hundred. 896 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 2: My goodness. 897 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 3: Here to talk about his legacy and his life is 898 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 3: the host of the PAS podcast and political science professor 899 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,720 Speaker 3: Nicholas You are, Donna, Nicholas, welcome back to the show. 900 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 13: Thank you for having me. 901 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 3: You know, earlier in the show, we had Alan Dershowitz 902 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 3: on and he said that we've all got it wrong 903 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 3: that Jimmy Carter was a wonderful president. It was his 904 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 3: post presidency that was bad. And we're all kind of 905 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,240 Speaker 3: viewing this through the wrong lens. 906 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 13: Your take, well, I would have to disagree with the 907 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 13: professor to a certain degree. Now, as a professor, I 908 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 13: look at the totality of Jimmy Carter's life because Jimmy 909 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 13: Carter represents what America is all about. Here's a from 910 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 13: humble beginnings that grew up on a peanut form from 911 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 13: planes Georgia, and he was able to rise up to 912 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 13: become the President of the United States, the most powerful person. 913 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 13: And this is what explains American exceptionalism, where you can 914 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 13: have someone that's not part of a political aristocracy, through 915 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 13: hard work and perseverance and a dedication to service, to 916 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,399 Speaker 13: become the most powerful person on the planet. I think 917 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,720 Speaker 13: that's remarkable because it really illustrates the hope and opportunity 918 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 13: that exists here in America that separates the South from 919 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 13: the rest of the world. And Jimmy Carter, I mean, 920 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 13: his presidency certainly faced turbulent times, but his integrity and 921 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 13: his commitment to humanity is what allows him to leave 922 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 13: behind the legacy that, despite failures as president, that he 923 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 13: was a genuinely good human being. He is someone that 924 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 13: inspires hope and instills future generations with awe because of 925 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 13: what he did throughout his life, from his service in 926 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 13: the Navy to becoming the president, and really showing that 927 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,240 Speaker 13: it wasn't about enriching himself or his family, it wasn't 928 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 13: about his political ambition and his thirst for power. It 929 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 13: was about the country. And again, he had some trouble 930 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 13: times during his presidency. Obviously had the horble economy, the 931 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,439 Speaker 13: energy crisis, the nineteen seventy nine Islamic Revolution which came 932 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 13: to define his presidency and weak leadership. And he was 933 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 13: also came after Ford and Nixon, which obviously those growing 934 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 13: distrust in the United States amongst the American people towards government. 935 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 13: We were still suffering from the wounds of the Vietnam War, 936 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 13: and so he had a very difficult presidency to begin with. 937 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 13: But he did have some achievements as presidency. And we 938 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 13: could look at the Camp David Accords. I mean, I 939 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 13: think that the piece that he was able to negotiate 940 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 13: between Egypt and is showed that while it is extraordinarily 941 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 13: difficult to get peace in the Middle East, it is possible, 942 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 13: and it laid the groundwork for the Abraham Accords that 943 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 13: came what forty years later. So he did have some 944 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,280 Speaker 13: successes as president. 945 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It's funny his biggest foreign policy success 946 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 1: and its worst for policy. It's both occurred to the 947 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 1: Middle East. Right, they got the Egypt in Israel working together, 948 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: than Iran's destabilization becomes sort of the counter to that success. 949 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: When students look back, and when historians look back thirty 950 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: forty years ago and they see that Iran was a 951 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: fifty year nemesis. The Education Department didn't which he created, 952 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: didn't end up really improving standards very much for students' 953 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 1: performances about the same as it was before we spent 954 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: the tens of billions of dollars. How will they look 955 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 1: at him as a policy pronouncer. 956 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 13: Well, when it comes to policy, he wasn't necessarily the 957 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 13: most effective at leading and negotiating with Congress in order 958 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 13: to push full an agenda that puts America first, and 959 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 13: that is going to be part of his legacy that 960 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 13: cannot be ignored. I mean, we look at the Department 961 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 13: of Education in that campus form, we report on it 962 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 13: routinely that proficiency levels are at the lowest in the 963 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 13: history since we've been measuring them. And it shows you 964 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 13: that the Department of education has not improved the well 965 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 13: being of our system. Our education system has actually gotten worse. 966 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 13: When we look at Iran, there were clear signs that 967 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 13: the Shah was going to fold. That the Shah, you know, 968 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 13: his regime was too abusive and repressive. The cart administration 969 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 13: didn't put any pressure on the Shah, and that led 970 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,320 Speaker 13: to the Iranian hostage crisis in the rise of Ayatola Komani. 971 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,919 Speaker 13: And here we are, you know, we look fifty years later, 972 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 13: forty years later, and we're still dealing with Iran as 973 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 13: the number one state sponsor of terrorism that tries to 974 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 13: undermine the United States throughout the entirety of the world. 975 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 13: So you see the challenges that exist, and it shows 976 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 13: you that Jimmy Carter I don't think there's anyone that 977 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 13: would say a bad thing about him personally. He was 978 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,800 Speaker 13: generally a good and decent human being. But it shows 979 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 13: you that sometimes being good and decent isn't necessarily equating 980 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 13: to success as a president. You have to deal with 981 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 13: a lot of vicious people on the international world stage, 982 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 13: and that indecisiveness was what crippled his administration, particularly when 983 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,879 Speaker 13: it came to the Iranian hostage crisis. And that's why 984 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 13: a lot of people focus on the post presidency. But 985 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 13: when I look at it from a political science perspective, 986 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 13: and what I would teach my students is that in 987 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,479 Speaker 13: every single presidential administration that there is something to learn, 988 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 13: that there is a piece of it. There's obviously going 989 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 13: to be successes and failures, but each president has their 990 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 13: own unique personality, Each president has their own unique story, 991 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 13: and I think Jimmy Carter's story is one of the 992 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 13: American dream that you could be born in humble beginnings 993 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 13: as a peanut farmer, and yet you can achieve the 994 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 13: highest office in the land, as many of our presidents 995 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 13: have done. And I think that's the remarkable nature of 996 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 13: Jimmy Carter. Despite his failures as presidency, people generally have 997 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,359 Speaker 13: a positive view of Jimmy Carter as a person as 998 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 13: a humanitarian, as someone that wanted to push peace in 999 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 13: the world, as someone that would always look out and 1000 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,240 Speaker 13: try and help others. I think that's the bigger story 1001 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 13: with Jimmy Carter. 1002 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 1: Pretty remarkable. 1003 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,279 Speaker 3: Nice let's here, Donna, what a great perspective on that 1004 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 3: and other legacies as well. As you said, his humanitarian 1005 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 3: work with Habitat for humanity, his love for his family 1006 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 3: and his country, and his love for his church. Those 1007 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 3: are things that are outside the presidency that I think 1008 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 3: people are remembering, especially now as well. Nicholas Serdana, thanks 1009 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 3: so much for joining us, and we're going to have 1010 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,280 Speaker 3: you back on again soon, I'm sure. All right, everybody, 1011 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,720 Speaker 3: I hope you have a wonderful night. We are heading 1012 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 3: into New Year's Eve tomorrow and then flip that calendar over. 1013 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,359 Speaker 3: It's a new year. We're going to have a new 1014 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 3: president soon. My goodness, so many changes. Everybody, have a 1015 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 3: great night. 1016 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:57,840 Speaker 2: Seamark