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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, let make

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's what we know

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Speaker 1: and don't know about the Epstein case. A lot of

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Speaker 1: so I figured we'd keep going and work through this together.

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Speaker 1: First of all, there seems to be this movement now

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Speaker 1: But let me get to there's a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: what was promised versus what is delivered. That is valid.

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Speaker 1: on this issue. That is true. That is true, and

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Speaker 1: that people feel rightly so that they were and I

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Speaker 1: Here are things that have to be kept in one's

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Speaker 1: But they're saying they don't have Okay, Well, then I

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