Speaker 1: Hello, listeners of Four Courses with Jeffrey Z. Carrion. It's
Speaker 1: your host, Jeffrey. I'm here today to share a very
Speaker 1: special announcement. One thing you may know about me from
Speaker 1: social media is that I love meeting my friends from
Speaker 1: the food world at events around the country, and I've
Speaker 1: even made it an annual ritual to interview many of
Speaker 1: them at the South Beach Wine and Food Festival in Miami.
Speaker 1: So for the rest of this summer, we will be
Speaker 1: bringing you our Summer Series from the Beach. Each Friday,
Speaker 1: will be publishing short and intimate conversations that I've had
Speaker 1: with some of the top talent in the food world,
Speaker 1: and even beyond. The conversations you'll here for the next
Speaker 1: six weeks were recorded pool side at the w Hotel
Speaker 1: in South Beach as my friends and I enjoyed great
Speaker 1: cigars and magnums of rose as we discussed our past,
Speaker 1: present and future. Without further delay, please enjoy Summer Series
Speaker 1: from the Beach with NBA superstar and Olympic gold medalist
Speaker 1: Chris Bosh. Where do you keep the gold medal at
Speaker 1: home and you're safe? Do you think someone's gonna come
Speaker 1: and see? Yeah? Well, I don't have anywhere else to
Speaker 1: put it. You don't have anywhere else to put it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I kind of look at it from time
Speaker 1: to time and kind of remember, so I was smoking
Speaker 1: a really good cigar that's in nicaragu when I know
Speaker 1: you love good cigars and you're you're kind of a
Speaker 1: renaissance man. But reading a little bit about you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: other than your basketball, I think there's a lot more
Speaker 1: to most people than what they do. I know that
Speaker 1: if I was in a chef, i'd be a professional golfer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what would you have done if basketball has engraced your life?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I still I still kind of
Speaker 1: really think about that all the time. You have time
Speaker 1: to do whatever you want to do. To be honest,
Speaker 1: there was nothing else that I wanted to do other
Speaker 1: than ball, you know. Um, so kind of trying to
Speaker 1: think about that, like what would I do or even
Speaker 1: things to fall back on, really wasn't. I had other interests,
Speaker 1: but as far as like pursuing those passionately, when I
Speaker 1: was younger, it was just all about bast focus man, focus,
Speaker 1: nothing else. I was lucky, you know, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: I told me, sense of course you have this you
Speaker 1: have this gift, I mean you have to use it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have another gift. You have an incredible family. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just such a family man. I relate to that.
Speaker 1: You have five children. I have five. What are the ages?
Speaker 1: My oldest is eleven, my oldest son is seven, my
Speaker 1: daughter is six, and then my twins are three and three.
Speaker 1: You guess full time staff to take care of all those.
Speaker 1: Oh what, It takes a village, that's what they say, right,
Speaker 1: But it's it's just always something going on pretty much.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's the best way to describe it. Like
Speaker 1: every day is summer camp. And I think it's like
Speaker 1: a swat team. To get him out the door in
Speaker 1: the right you need a swat team. I'm the swat team.
Speaker 1: Get him inout a bed repelling is all that, you know.
Speaker 1: Just I gotta be that dad, you know sometimes I
Speaker 1: got to be that dad. I'm not like with an
Speaker 1: iron fist or anything. You the disciplinarian or is it
Speaker 1: I'm the discipline Really it works easier that way. You
Speaker 1: think it's easier. Yeah, I mean I have a house
Speaker 1: full of boys, you know, they kind of lead the
Speaker 1: charge in random things happening in the house, jumping off
Speaker 1: of things and riding their bikes. Yeah, it's it's great.
Speaker 1: But so what do you try? I mean, I try
Speaker 1: to teach my kids. You know, it's hard that my
Speaker 1: wife is incredible, the kids really like have a great
Speaker 1: grounding and a mom. But I mean we try to talk.
Speaker 1: We try one word. What is one my word for
Speaker 1: how we want to raise our kids? Modesty? What is
Speaker 1: the word that you think that relates to you and
Speaker 1: when you get up in the morning, Like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to impart X to my children's responsibility? Responsibility. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's easy as a child and even as an adult
Speaker 1: to just kind of do things and not really take responsibility.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the major issues sometimes in society.
Speaker 1: Not to get too deeper, No, get deeper, but um,
Speaker 1: I think a responsibility you teach them to be responsible
Speaker 1: for their possessions, for their actions, for their words. And
Speaker 1: you know, if we start there, that can kind of
Speaker 1: build a nice little world in there and and hopefully
Speaker 1: things will take care of itself, because you know, when
Speaker 1: things are so especially nowadays, things are so abundant. You
Speaker 1: can just order a toy on Amazon and it comes
Speaker 1: in the next day. And then they're tired of it
Speaker 1: twenty four hours later, or it'll break or something like that.
Speaker 1: You can order a two dozen toys. Man, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: you know. So I just try to chease them responsibility
Speaker 1: and saying, okay, this is this is your your toy.
Speaker 1: You gotta be responsible to everything. The other side of
Speaker 1: responsibilities consequences pretty much. And that's the part they don't like.
Speaker 1: They don't. We don't as you know. I tell them all,
Speaker 1: you gotta pay the consequence now, and like it's not
Speaker 1: even a bad thing. But I make them come in
Speaker 1: my office and do their homework or read. And that's
Speaker 1: just like the that's awful, right You a shofter you cooked?
Speaker 1: You love to cook to? I love to I have
Speaker 1: been into the cueuling ay arts really yea, let's drilled
Speaker 1: down a bit. So what is it? What is your
Speaker 1: go to? Like? What you know? Twice a week? What
Speaker 1: do you have? My go to is? Um? I make
Speaker 1: a mean roasted chicken. I can't say, because look, here's
Speaker 1: my thing. I was like, you know, I've been blessed
Speaker 1: to have a chef for years now, and every morning
Speaker 1: I would wash them cook these delicious meals. And I
Speaker 1: said yo, I gotta learn how to cook because I
Speaker 1: remember eating my dass food when my mom wasn't around,
Speaker 1: and it's very important I learned how to cook because
Speaker 1: it wasn't good. It was not good. So give me
Speaker 1: a recipe. Let's go through your roast chicken, crisp, cut
Speaker 1: it and butterfly fly butterfly right, and it's called spatch cock.
Speaker 1: Spatch cock okay. And then what do you rub on it?
Speaker 1: You rub like herbs, olive oil and herbs. It just
Speaker 1: usually herb wise. Just however I'm feeling that day, how
Speaker 1: are you feeling? Roastmate sort of mood. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: a little spicy, might gonna put a little kick in there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Put it on, getting under
Speaker 1: the skin. Did you put so you go in the skin,
Speaker 1: get under the skin. Butter or just a little bit
Speaker 1: of butter come from Texas. Uh? And then um, get
Speaker 1: the skillet, okay, cast iron cast iron, cast iron skillet.
Speaker 1: Get that nice and hot. Put it down skin first.
Speaker 1: This guy knows, yeah, put it down skin first. And
Speaker 1: I would do both sides, but you know, get it
Speaker 1: down skin first. And then, however, I feel chop up
Speaker 1: vegetables some days, it will be leaks. I mean it
Speaker 1: could be anything, you know, chop up usually like mixed
Speaker 1: vegetables and put them on top of the chicken and
Speaker 1: then put that into the oven. Yeah, at what temperature
Speaker 1: the three fifty five? I might be off a little bit,
Speaker 1: that's okay. So do you cook two internal temperature? Use
Speaker 1: a thermometer, you just like you just know when it's
Speaker 1: not but you just know man the spirit. Then I
Speaker 1: use the thermometer. Spirit first, thermometer second, don't get second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta make sure. So like with seven
Speaker 1: people in your family, you have two or three chickens,
Speaker 1: you don't Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it when usually yeah,
Speaker 1: if I'm cooking, I try to um cook every Sunday,
Speaker 1: and usually that's like the grill. So if I'm throwing
Speaker 1: stuff on the grill, it's it's a feast because it's
Speaker 1: about at least ten people there at the very least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're already seven, Yeah, at seven before we even moved.
Speaker 1: One friend with another friend is nine. That's have friends
Speaker 1: and then yeah, it's easy. It gets up. Two dozen
Speaker 1: is like a normal, like that's lunch. It's not odd
Speaker 1: if I have twenty people over or or twenty people
Speaker 1: are eating on a Sunday. But I love it though,
Speaker 1: because I saw one of my wife's friends, her and
Speaker 1: her sister when I'm we went out to their father's
Speaker 1: home and he was cooking for them, and both of
Speaker 1: his grown daughters were coming back to see their dad
Speaker 1: and like, dad, can you cook me? Cook me? This
Speaker 1: could me that. That's when I said, Okay, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna come back. Yeah, you can be mad at me,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna want that chicken. You're gonna want that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Do you find yourself watching
Speaker 1: the Food Network? Oh yeah all the time. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean I can't watch it too much because
Speaker 1: I'll be hungry. You know, you get hungry all the time,
Speaker 1: and then you see things that you want to do. Well,
Speaker 1: that's how you learn. Yeah, we're educating America Christ Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, how to cook. It's very important. How did
Speaker 1: you get into cigars? Tell me where that came from?
Speaker 1: Being here? Actually? Really? Yeah, being here in Miami. Do
Speaker 1: you go to Cuba at all? I have not been
Speaker 1: the Cuba yet. I have had experiences with Cuban rollers
Speaker 1: here and that's amazing. That's an amazing. See what they do.
Speaker 1: How'd it stay together? I don't get it. And they
Speaker 1: just they rolled ti leaves and they yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: not a knife and cutting this together and it doesn't
Speaker 1: like unwrapped and it's a wonderful cigar too, it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I haven't been to Cuba yet. I definitely want to.
Speaker 1: I think we could arrange a trip. I think you've mentioned. No,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I've been asking and asking. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of you know, you gotta get at least four or
Speaker 1: five days there. You can't go for it's not an
Speaker 1: overnight no, no, no, I'm sure. I've had friends that
Speaker 1: have gone and they've told me how just how different
Speaker 1: it is, and how the culture is different, and how
Speaker 1: cool it is just to see. So I'm curious. Performance
Speaker 1: is something that I'm really concerned about because I think
Speaker 1: that as we had older, we have to really work harder.
Speaker 1: I talked to people about it's that how hard you work.
Speaker 1: It's how you keep really at the level that you
Speaker 1: keep your body mentally and your acuity. How do you
Speaker 1: do that every day? What is your sort of daily
Speaker 1: when you wake up? First thing, first thing? I know
Speaker 1: you you I'm blessed. I have Everyone's okay, everyone's fine,
Speaker 1: everybody's good. Maybe the second thing, right, I will say,
Speaker 1: the first thing I do when I get up, get
Speaker 1: cleaned up, go downstairs and make sure the kids are
Speaker 1: going off to school. Uh, and then I read. You read.
Speaker 1: I try to get at least thirty minutes in reading
Speaker 1: an iPad or on a book on physical book in
Speaker 1: the same way. I do both. I could really I like,
Speaker 1: I like holding the tangible thing. Yeah, and I do both,
Speaker 1: but I prefer so before you eat, you read. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, so interesting. Yeah, I've given myself a challenge.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to really pick back up on my reading.
Speaker 1: And um, I gave myself a challenge to read two
Speaker 1: books a month this year, two books an Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it sounds reasonable. Yeah, it's reasonable. Right. So if I
Speaker 1: knock out thirty minutes, you got it, you know, I
Speaker 1: got Yeah. Then I'll have breakfast. Then I go work out.
Speaker 1: So you work out what is your routine? Boxing? Boxing
Speaker 1: only boxing. I go up to the heat arena still
Speaker 1: and go work out there and see the fellas. I
Speaker 1: don't go on the basketball court. I don't play basketball,
Speaker 1: but I'll get on the treadmill, or I'll get some
Speaker 1: weights in every day at least three times a week,
Speaker 1: three to four times a week. I try to at
Speaker 1: least get three times four if I'm being really ambitious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Monday, Wednesday, Friday. It's like you control at all
Speaker 1: what you eat to just eat whatever you want within
Speaker 1: a sort of It's kind of like it's kind to go.
Speaker 1: It goes both ways. I kind of it's like just
Speaker 1: fly off the hinge, you know, with steak and meet
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I'm pretty, I'm pretty, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't don't Yeah, I don't go too crazy. I
Speaker 1: have the portions that I have. It's more so like
Speaker 1: just watching if there's like rice or any kind of
Speaker 1: carbs or sugar or something like that. I don't try
Speaker 1: to cut it all the way out. I just try
Speaker 1: to be mindful and say, yeah, I have a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't want to just wake up and be, you know,
Speaker 1: a little heavy. Because I gained a little weight, nobody
Speaker 1: could tell. Everybody said I look fine, but I knew
Speaker 1: I had to start. I had to get it back
Speaker 1: off me. Man. Yeah, everyone knows. When you're in the shower,
Speaker 1: you just know, like ship well, it was for me.
Speaker 1: It was a picture. Somebody took a picture of me, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit I could. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: a little in the breast. It's like I tell you,
Speaker 1: it comes so easy. It takes about you know, to
Speaker 1: gain ten pounds, takes about two weeks. To lose ten
Speaker 1: pounds take six months, man, And it's so it's so
Speaker 1: easy just to hit a couple of bad meals back
Speaker 1: to back, or a couple of good meals back to back,
Speaker 1: and yeah, right back on the horse. That wine gets
Speaker 1: a little better and gets a little better, a little
Speaker 1: better better, start getting hungry that they're glass like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll have another piece whatever. I love going to Napa,
Speaker 1: but after after three days it's like Vegas, like, man,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do this man. And you know
Speaker 1: what it is about Nappa, it's so sly. It's like
Speaker 1: we have this culture like you know, be careful. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to watch your alcohol. There. It's like it's
Speaker 1: nine in the morning and you're drinking and it's like okay, absolutely,
Speaker 1: It's like okay. It's like being an airport at seven
Speaker 1: three in the morning and people are having double bloody
Speaker 1: Mary's and vodka in the rocks. It's no one even
Speaker 1: questions that's something wrong. Yeah, you gotta watch it, man.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's the thing. There's no rules in
Speaker 1: an airport. You have these delicious breakfasts in Nappa and
Speaker 1: it's would you like some rose? Yeah? Absolutely? I would
Speaker 1: you keep asking me to, sir? Yeah. And it's so
Speaker 1: great the way they do it. It's so like everything's perfect,
Speaker 1: the glass, the wine, the color. Appreciate that presentation. It's everything,
Speaker 1: press everything. I mean, it's like it's like what it
Speaker 1: is what we do. Fantastic. Alright, So we got steak,
Speaker 1: we got chicken, rip, cigars, wine, Yeah, I mean what
Speaker 1: am I missing here? Art? Art? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I just like looking at paintings, and I've I like
Speaker 1: going to museums. My wife and I we got memberships
Speaker 1: that the Met and so I've been to the Met
Speaker 1: a couple of times to see the presentations and um,
Speaker 1: really just get to take in have a guide and
Speaker 1: they explain the artists and the times and the periods
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Are you down here all the
Speaker 1: time for the arch come to bossle down here? Pretty much? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You go buy in there for the day before. I haven't. No,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't really bought anything anything. It's hard, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard because there's so many many things, and then
Speaker 1: like you have to pretty much come to a thing. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to invest in something I want, you know,
Speaker 1: and I feel connected to. And I haven't had that
Speaker 1: feeling yet. And the ones I do have a feeling
Speaker 1: too are very expensive, so you know, I like to
Speaker 1: watch them. Well, it's you gotta be careful with our
Speaker 1: I love art, and I think you know, as as
Speaker 1: far as being um a collector. If you get the
Speaker 1: right stuff, and someone wants tell me, how do your
Speaker 1: body know what to buy? And they say, if you
Speaker 1: buy just what you moves you, and at one point
Speaker 1: in time it will be more valuable for the most
Speaker 1: part than it was when you bought it. It rarely
Speaker 1: does a decrease in value, which you can't say for
Speaker 1: like a lot of things, the cars or houses or
Speaker 1: things like that. Right, So that's why I think art
Speaker 1: is just a smart investment. Good in front of mine,
Speaker 1: Aye Drouck, I told me so, just we love something
Speaker 1: and it moves you, just buy it. You have art
Speaker 1: and I have a little and I started my wife
Speaker 1: and I started, and it's we only buy stuff that
Speaker 1: we we like, like in the strangest places, you know,
Speaker 1: not in places you would you would see something like Wow,
Speaker 1: that's great, and it's not in the gallery, it's somewhere else,
Speaker 1: and we buy it. But it's only stuff we like
Speaker 1: and then we use it. We hang it likes exciting, Right,
Speaker 1: you look at it and you reflect the story behind it.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a story. And I think everything is
Speaker 1: a story, just like hospitality is a story. So if
Speaker 1: you're gonna if we're coming over to your house, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna get you have seven, seven people, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight like thirteen, so twenty won't be twenty four.
Speaker 1: So talk me through your how you run a party. Well,
Speaker 1: my wife she's gonna take the bull about the horns
Speaker 1: a hundred. Yeah, she's the best host hostess I've ever
Speaker 1: been around, Wow, by far. So usually our wheelhouse is
Speaker 1: gonna be a charcuter. We're gonna do charkouterie and she's
Speaker 1: sure for sure, and um, you know, it just depends
Speaker 1: on how fancy we get. I've actually thrown a dinner
Speaker 1: party before you have. Yeah, I did a menu and
Speaker 1: did the tied in the everything. Yeah, we should have
Speaker 1: a restaurant. We should talk for sure, we should. Probably
Speaker 1: won't make any money doing it, but we'll have fun.
Speaker 1: We'll have a lot of fun. That's that's. We'll have
Speaker 1: someone else by the art for the for the restaurant
Speaker 1: and we'll put it on the walls. Too easy, So
Speaker 1: Charkrudi followed by drinks, well, come on. Started with drinks starting,
Speaker 1: I'd say it's dinner. Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: probably hit you with an appetize at first, either a
Speaker 1: nice salad or suit. Not family style, yeah, played it,
Speaker 1: played it well except for Sunday. Yes, Sunday is his
Speaker 1: family style. Yeah. But if we're doing the fancy nice thing,
Speaker 1: I'll do individual in individuals and then we'll get to
Speaker 1: the main and then we'll get to the dessert, and
Speaker 1: then we'll probably have we have a very nice backyard.
Speaker 1: I love my backyard, and it's a very nice view
Speaker 1: of the bay. And you'll have some cigars in Scotch
Speaker 1: after that. You have it, We've got it. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know what time it is, when I gonna be
Speaker 1: out of here soon. If you're heading back, i'd like
Speaker 1: to invite myself. Hey man, invite yourself, Chris. We can
Speaker 1: talk all day. Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, and I really appreciate it.