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Speaker 1: will challenge their indefinite suspension. Welcome to another edition of
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas,
Speaker 1: coming to you from a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey Dan?
Speaker 1: Some people call it black Monday. We do not call
Speaker 1: it Black Monday because we respect the people associated with
Speaker 1: this terrible day. On the lead calendar. This is new
Speaker 1: Horizon Monday. Doesn't it feel better now? Doesn't it feel
Speaker 1: Mark fresh, some new, a new chance to turn the
Speaker 1: page for these men that have lost their jobs. It's
Speaker 1: all about perspective, and you know, it's it's it's the
Speaker 1: beginning of a new journey for those that have been
Speaker 1: let go. We did have to overtext if you recalled
Speaker 1: in have a brief chat with Greg who was getting
Speaker 1: a little too excited about breaking news and elements of news,
Speaker 1: and just sort of say, come on, Greg, as they
Speaker 1: will say around the office, let's let's take a look
Speaker 1: at what's happening to the human side of this. But
Speaker 1: he's he's in a good place now, I believe. Well,
Speaker 1: we're taping this show late Monday afternoon on the West coast,
Speaker 1: and you know, we were hoping to have all the
Speaker 1: news that we could have before we go off. New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve is tomorrow and whatnot. But some of these
Speaker 1: situations not wrapping up not as um grizzly as it
Speaker 1: sometimes is on almost like murky horizons. But that's the
Speaker 1: way it is. But what we're gonna do is we're
Speaker 1: gonna go through all the news we're gonna save, you know,
Speaker 1: topics regarding the playoffs this weekend, wild Card weekend. For
Speaker 1: Thursday's preview show, We're gonna keep our focus here on
Speaker 1: the hirings and firings and speculation out there. Uh, and
Speaker 1: then a little bit of our own version of the
Speaker 1: Aftermath one of the great NFL Network programs and act
Speaker 1: if it's good enough for al Michaels to come in
Speaker 1: and every year and do it comes in from uh
Speaker 1: you know, bell Air in in his own car, private
Speaker 1: car takes him there and he does our show in
Speaker 1: NFL network. Damn, that's good enough for us after flying
Speaker 1: in from Seattle this morning or last night probably, I
Speaker 1: mean right the work course, and it was it had
Speaker 1: to be a beefy minutes that he wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 1: a three and a half minute come in, shake hands
Speaker 1: and leave type tables. So the aftermath is the network
Speaker 1: show that spins around the league after each Sunday. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do something similar because this is also exit interview day,
Speaker 1: uh in the NFL for coaches and players after another
Speaker 1: regular regular season has wrapped up. But let's let's get
Speaker 1: into it, and we'll start with what we know for
Speaker 1: sure and uh yes, we'll start with the New York
Speaker 1: Giants Luji, who have decided to make a change today
Speaker 1: on New Horizons Monday, the sound Drapp really making it
Speaker 1: worth in this music throughout uhte or Seahawks on Sunday night.
Speaker 1: I was testing out various options working with Ricky, and
Speaker 1: we came down with a few different options. We well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna cycle through them, you know, to keep
Speaker 1: the listener and gage totally discordant with a fourth quarter
Speaker 1: spinning utterly out of control listening to these sound bites,
Speaker 1: but interesting anyway, so that the Giants make the decision
Speaker 1: to fire Pat Shermer up two losing seasons. Uh, there
Speaker 1: just was not enough growth obviously for the Giants, who
Speaker 1: despite having two big first round pick se Kwon Barkley
Speaker 1: obviously a superstar. Daniel Jones showed a lot this year
Speaker 1: as a rookie. The rest of the team it just
Speaker 1: never really has come together. In fact, Um Shermer goes
Speaker 1: nine and twenty three with the Giants. He went nine
Speaker 1: and twenty three with the Browns, and that that winning percentage,
Speaker 1: which is I think in the to seventy five range,
Speaker 1: is the seventh lowest for any head coach. Um with
Speaker 1: that level of experience mark you know Pat Shermer well
Speaker 1: from his time with the Browns, and uh, is it
Speaker 1: fair to say that he can be both the guy
Speaker 1: that maybe isn't an NFL head coach but also entered
Speaker 1: borderline impossible situation taking this Giants job. I think it's
Speaker 1: extremely fair because I think he was put into a
Speaker 1: bad situation in Cleveland and came out and showed that
Speaker 1: he can be a very talented, skilled play caller and
Speaker 1: coordinator of offense and went into the giant situation. Anyone
Speaker 1: taking that job was stuck in this front office morass
Speaker 1: and ownership mouthpiece scenario where they're trying to cling to
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, and you know, I feel like Shermer was
Speaker 1: hamstrung with with Eli Manning from the start and then
Speaker 1: forced to try to turn it around and flip it
Speaker 1: with with the rookie quarterback. I don't think that Pat
Speaker 1: Shermer is, you know, Paul Brown two point oh. But
Speaker 1: he was put into a really rough situation and it
Speaker 1: seemed to me doomed from the star art. I agree
Speaker 1: with all that, And yet when the owner comes out
Speaker 1: and he doesn't say, hey, you know the typical we
Speaker 1: want to move in a new direction, thanks for this,
Speaker 1: we're doing this, he says, there were so many games
Speaker 1: that felt like we should have won and we just
Speaker 1: didn't get the job done. That's just laying it online.
Speaker 1: You should have won more games, and a team that
Speaker 1: was purposely taking the season from the front office perspective
Speaker 1: that Dolphins won more games in the Giants. I still
Speaker 1: I'm just getting used to these John Mara press conferences,
Speaker 1: and I just remember, you know, back in the mid
Speaker 1: two thousand's when he would have them, there was this
Speaker 1: sort of aura of wow, this is one of the
Speaker 1: great ones, like that when this owner speaks, they really
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. And as the amount of these
Speaker 1: press conferences have piled up every you know, twelve to
Speaker 1: twenty four months, you just think of all the mistakes
Speaker 1: that the Giants have made to be one of the
Speaker 1: worst franchises in the League since two thousand and twelve,
Speaker 1: and you think, like he he bears a lot of
Speaker 1: their spotsbility, and he took it. I mean, he said,
Speaker 1: put it on me. Look, I'm I It starts at
Speaker 1: the top, but he's always on the defensive, and that's
Speaker 1: part of working in New York and it's part of
Speaker 1: always failing to really pull the band aid off and
Speaker 1: always have a connection to Giants history. And he's still
Speaker 1: is going to have that connection in the front office. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was noteworthy that he said, um, we've
Speaker 1: lost some standing as an organization as I look around
Speaker 1: the league. That to me was the quote they hit home.
Speaker 1: But I kind of I if I would love my
Speaker 1: owner to say that to the show, understanding you know
Speaker 1: that we are not what we used to be, and
Speaker 1: we understand what's been happening is no boy no, and
Speaker 1: we need to try to change it, and that's what
Speaker 1: we're setting out to do. I still feel like if
Speaker 1: I'm a if I'm a Giants fan, which I've been
Speaker 1: accused of on this podcast, I still feel like I'm
Speaker 1: in good hands and I give them a not a total,
Speaker 1: but they chose Macadoo and Shermer. No that absolutely they've
Speaker 1: made a couple of bad decisions, but they've also had
Speaker 1: an incredible run before of this slump they've gone into
Speaker 1: and the end of the Eli Manning era. Uh, maybe
Speaker 1: the Patriots are about to learn this too. It's it's
Speaker 1: always gonna be a little bumpy figure out how to
Speaker 1: get out of that era and into the next. Uh.
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman, though he stays and this is now this
Speaker 1: is worth potentially criticizing as well. Let's listen to what
Speaker 1: Mara had to say about Gettleman, the GM who does
Speaker 1: not lose his job despite some big swings and missus.
Speaker 1: We could we could have differences of opinion about whether
Speaker 1: those were hits or mrs. There definitely have been some mss,
Speaker 1: no question about it. I think that can happen to anybody.
Speaker 1: There was reasons for some of those personnel decisions. Um,
Speaker 1: he does know that the batting average has got to
Speaker 1: increase going forward. Though West love those baseball metaphors and
Speaker 1: other sports they always pop up. Yeah. He John Mara
Speaker 1: said that he happens to believe in Gettleman, and he
Speaker 1: happens to believe in the changes he's made, and and
Speaker 1: that's his prerogative as the owner, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of changes as we go forward. The way he's building
Speaker 1: his roster isn't how a lot of people believe you
Speaker 1: should build a roster with running backs, with big behemoth
Speaker 1: defensive lineman who stopped the run. And then, to me,
Speaker 1: the bigger question is a desperate general manager usually doesn't
Speaker 1: work well with a new head coach leading the search.
Speaker 1: It's fine if he's an established GM with with job security,
Speaker 1: but a desperate GM, it's usually not a good combination
Speaker 1: bringing in a new coach. They they butt heads to
Speaker 1: it feels like hazardous territory again for the next hire.
Speaker 1: Now exactly they have more aligned. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: the Jets have been through in various forms, the same
Speaker 1: thing the Browns have been through and are about to
Speaker 1: go through too. With the GM that might be on
Speaker 1: the hot seat hiring a coach that in theory is
Speaker 1: not exactly aligned and has a little more um seniority.
Speaker 1: It's it's a problem. We mentioned Eli Manning, and he
Speaker 1: will certainly, almost certainly not be back with the Giants,
Speaker 1: and he kind of put a period on that today
Speaker 1: with comments he made at his locker as the you know,
Speaker 1: players across the Lead League are cleaning out the clubhouses.
Speaker 1: He's turning thirty nine. On Friday, he was asked if
Speaker 1: he was interested in being Daniel Jones backup next season.
Speaker 1: Eli had this to say, I doubt it. I doubt it.
Speaker 1: Being uh backing up is not real fun, which opens
Speaker 1: up the window he is open to playing. He going,
Speaker 1: but it is not going to be with the Giants.
Speaker 1: It's for the best possible situation at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's just it's gonna sink in eventually that
Speaker 1: retirement is his best option. I just don't see anyone
Speaker 1: looking at the game field from the last couple of
Speaker 1: years and saying, yes, this guy's a starter. I think
Speaker 1: he's expecting. He even said he's gonna take a couple
Speaker 1: of days and and then he'll talk. I think he's
Speaker 1: fully expecting to retire. I mean, I maybe he's gonna
Speaker 1: see if there is some crazy opportunity out there. But
Speaker 1: the way when I listened to all the things he
Speaker 1: said today, he he sounded like he knew and and
Speaker 1: that played out in the way that he approached those
Speaker 1: last two starts where his family is there and he
Speaker 1: was soaking. We've also had a pretty unmatched influx of
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks where four or five years ago you could
Speaker 1: have maybe matched Eli Manning with a desperate team that
Speaker 1: didn't have anything at the under center. But what team
Speaker 1: is that today? Someone on NFL Network mentioned the Cults
Speaker 1: bringing Eli Manning into be where Peyton was. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just conjecture, but but there's just no good match.
Speaker 1: That's the early leader in the clubhouse for best point
Speaker 1: of the podcast. We're gonna be keeping track. It's a
Speaker 1: new thing we're doing. Uh, it sounds competitive. Ricky is
Speaker 1: gonna announce who had the best point of the podcast
Speaker 1: at the very end. Finally, the Giants now turned their
Speaker 1: attention to finding a new head coach and a lot
Speaker 1: of connecting dots to Matt Rule of Baylor, who almost
Speaker 1: ended up with the Jets last year didn't work out,
Speaker 1: and the Giants are said to be interested. Uh. And
Speaker 1: Rule is a local guy. He has his stock is
Speaker 1: sky high after really putting together a bailer program that
Speaker 1: is on the rise and is expected to continue to
Speaker 1: be on the rise in the upcoming season. And we'll
Speaker 1: see if that's the guy Josh McDaniels whose name is
Speaker 1: popping up again. Adam Schefter report of the Giants and
Speaker 1: Panthers have requested permission to interview with the Patriots o C.
Speaker 1: So all those hot takers that said McDaniels had burned
Speaker 1: his final bridge by walking out of that, uh, that
Speaker 1: handshake agreement with the Colts place, it seems like Josh
Speaker 1: McDaniels will continue to be a hot name this time
Speaker 1: of year. Uh. And we'll see if he actually takes
Speaker 1: a job this time. Well, Mark was really excited about
Speaker 1: this New York Post article, uh, speculating that now would
Speaker 1: be a great time too for Belichick to make that
Speaker 1: move to the Giants. I mean, they play the hits
Speaker 1: at the New York Post. They know there's no basis
Speaker 1: for this whatsoever, but it's probably the I bet it's
Speaker 1: the most highest trafficked article on their site. Well, the
Speaker 1: root of my excitement is that it was a sandwich
Speaker 1: bet from late August that I proposed, So if it
Speaker 1: ever were to happen, I'd basically just retire it right
Speaker 1: there and just go live in the middle of the farmhouse.
Speaker 1: How would you feel about Josh McDaniels as the Browns coach.
Speaker 1: Why not at this point? I mean, we'll anyone into
Speaker 1: I mean it, He'll be there for ninety days to
Speaker 1: two years. So wait, I don't know. I'm always literally
Speaker 1: when it feels like people are selling you something, and
Speaker 1: people are always trying to sell us. Josh McDaniels in
Speaker 1: his personal growth that he underwent after his Denver years,
Speaker 1: he had to go through them some things and find himself. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well then why did you leave Indianapolis in the lurch?
Speaker 1: If you found yourself m moving on? So that's the
Speaker 1: he got his family maybe the best point, why did
Speaker 1: it keep? Okay? Moving on? So that's what's going on.
Speaker 1: Who's even elsewhere on New Horizons Monday? Hold up, you
Speaker 1: gotta be quick with it. I'm playing a harp here.
Speaker 1: We are at a different situation here, we're in a
Speaker 1: different stage. Everything's a little different sound stage with a
Speaker 1: fake Rubik's cube two feet away from Dan shoulder. I
Speaker 1: don't know. A gigantic trend zone. Guys who we love,
Speaker 1: you know, they are the Spanish around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: They're up in the studio and we expected Ricky to
Speaker 1: muscle him out when you just you know, compare numbers
Speaker 1: in terms of audience. But here we are on the
Speaker 1: stage five instead of the podcast studio, So it is
Speaker 1: what it is. I guess, yeah, but I couldn't fit
Speaker 1: the harp up. There quite a diverse skill set playing
Speaker 1: the harp and muscling people out anyway. Yes, So, uh
Speaker 1: Jay Gruden has been out of work since October when
Speaker 1: the Redskins let him go, and Ron Rivera, who has
Speaker 1: been out of work for a couple of months since
Speaker 1: the Panthers let him go. He seems to be the
Speaker 1: guy that will be the head coach of the Washington Redskins.
Speaker 1: By the time you hear this, he might be the
Speaker 1: head coach of the Washington Redskins. Um, but he's not
Speaker 1: at this moment as we're recording. Its just pointing in
Speaker 1: that direct and uh Revera will as he takes this job.
Speaker 1: You understand he probably has some reservations about the culture
Speaker 1: in Washington, but I guess money and power talks, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's gonna get a lot of both. One
Speaker 1: guy he won't have to worry about clashing with is
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen. Rap Sheet and reported that the Redskins informed
Speaker 1: Alan that he's been relieved of his duties. Um, the
Speaker 1: team president was his role. Uh, it is a run
Speaker 1: that was deeply, profoundly unsuccessful. And Alan is shown the door.
Speaker 1: So it does Greg open up. Um, you know, a
Speaker 1: power of vacuum that someone's gonna fill and maybe Rivera
Speaker 1: gets a bigger voice and the type of decisions that
Speaker 1: Alan was handling. Yeah, it sounds like that's some of
Speaker 1: the you know dots that are being what do they say,
Speaker 1: you know, they're crossing tease, They're they're figuring, yeah, dotting eyes,
Speaker 1: they're figuring out how the front office is gonna work.
Speaker 1: There was a report out there that Rivera was dining
Speaker 1: on Monday night with what happened, I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of strange ambient sounds. West's jacket keeps bumping
Speaker 1: up against his microphone. There's a lot of things going on.
Speaker 1: We are we're prosh I saw a report that Barack Obama,
Speaker 1: Dan Snyder, and Ron Rivera were out to dinner. That's
Speaker 1: pretty bald, that's pretty I mean, that's he's joining the team.
Speaker 1: Mike Silver was on our network saying he was like
Speaker 1: looking at a text and you can guess who was
Speaker 1: probably from that everything is going fine, that there's no delay.
Speaker 1: It is all Obama and the team president and the
Speaker 1: head coach of the team. How about that by Obama,
Speaker 1: I guess a little civic pride. He probably wants the
Speaker 1: local team UH to not be a an embarrassment, which
Speaker 1: they have been. I mean, the Bruce Allen news to
Speaker 1: me was almost bigger than the Ron Rivera news because
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen has been a plague on this for anchise.
Speaker 1: There's there's a box in for the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: the fire Bruce Allen movement that was so popular. The
Speaker 1: Washington Post like wrote an article about the movement, includes ESPN,
Speaker 1: Matthew Berry and all this stuff. And I think it's
Speaker 1: it's a good thing for them that he's gone. Well.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that he stuck around for so long,
Speaker 1: mysteriously to most is that his father obviously was George Allen,
Speaker 1: and when Daniel Snyder, I don't know if that's how
Speaker 1: he was telling people that news, but you know, Daniel
Speaker 1: Snyder grew up a Redskins fan during that George Allen
Speaker 1: time and was friends with Bruce Allen. But that's not
Speaker 1: how you run a team. So this I think was
Speaker 1: an absolute must for Rivera to even consider this job.
Speaker 1: He was with the Bucks from two thousand four to
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. He was with the Redskins from
Speaker 1: two thousand to two thousand nineteen. None of those teams
Speaker 1: ever hit a playoff appearance, a playoff win under him,
Speaker 1: No playoff wins. He's like a one man Bengals. They
Speaker 1: always say like he he makes a lot of like
Speaker 1: he's good, but you know, he's good at the business
Speaker 1: side of things. But all you gotta do is look
Speaker 1: at a game, you Washington, and here the here first
Speaker 1: of all about the fan experience, and look at the
Speaker 1: empty seats. And he's also good at misrepresenting the truth.
Speaker 1: He sits up there like Nero as the organization burns
Speaker 1: around him, and he tells people the straight face the
Speaker 1: culture is quote damn good with the Redskins as he's
Speaker 1: firing Jake Gruger. Which that was the worst press conference
Speaker 1: of the year. Little known fact his sister, I believe
Speaker 1: did you see Adams introductory press conference? I would say
Speaker 1: this one, this one tops that one for me, just
Speaker 1: kind of out of just absolute utter, NonStop lying to people,
Speaker 1: what about our boy with well that wasn't this year
Speaker 1: that was you know, the one Jim Tom Sewel that
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. That was the most uncomfortable
Speaker 1: press conference. Hey, I just golch ball. I mean, what
Speaker 1: if what is Ron Rivera hold a super McDaniel and
Speaker 1: went out to dinner with the President of the United States,
Speaker 1: the former president of United States never have dinner with
Speaker 1: the president and then walked out on the redskins? What
Speaker 1: did that great power flex and what did that on
Speaker 1: some level make him even more in demand? Is like,
Speaker 1: whoa this guy? He's ruthless man? How can you were
Speaker 1: saying that about McDaniels though it would be a brand
Speaker 1: the next level you got Obama might kill this like
Speaker 1: endless buzz that you know. And I and I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's true that Ron Rivera is just this wonderful man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I I'm sure it is probably
Speaker 1: just you hear it NonStop and it's like we get it,
Speaker 1: we get it. He's a wonderful man. But you know,
Speaker 1: doing something like that be like he's very's diverse in
Speaker 1: his behavior. Maybe he's got a mean streak to marks
Speaker 1: a little grumpy. It's twelve past five here in California.
Speaker 1: We're off to a little bit of a late start.
Speaker 1: I find uh that New Horizons Monday is essentially Agenda
Speaker 1: Monday for a lot of people with their message. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of Phil Air time with with the same
Speaker 1: talking points for nine or straight to ten, nine to
Speaker 1: ten hours on television. That why you were mad that
Speaker 1: we had to wait that minutes the start here ten
Speaker 1: minutes trying like thirty seven minutes. Yeah, a little known
Speaker 1: fact here, you know how you've pointed out. I'm like
Speaker 1: the NFL network historian. I got a good one for you.
Speaker 1: One of their original um on air talents was Bruce
Speaker 1: Allen's sister, Jennifer Allen. Hey, that's a great point, right.
Speaker 1: I read her book fifth Quarter, very good. Hap Uh,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a fifth quarter, but it
Speaker 1: was actually very well written book does. I would recommend
Speaker 1: you should check it out personally, Dan Hanson can be
Speaker 1: an overtime period, but a quarter by its well, they
Speaker 1: could rebrand that. They could rebrand the novel with a
Speaker 1: new title that would be more acceptable at this point. Alright,
Speaker 1: other news, Let's move now to another team in the
Speaker 1: NFC East, the Dallas Cowboys, who in true Cowboys fashion.
Speaker 1: They just can't let go the guys. They don't even
Speaker 1: know how to do it. It seems because Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: who everyone assumes is out as Cowboys coach after an
Speaker 1: eight and eight season that was deeply disappointing. Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: excuse me. Jared Jones gave an endless press conference late
Speaker 1: last night. Uh, no announcement. Then we go all through
Speaker 1: Monday today, no amount announcer today. Uh. The day has
Speaker 1: included exit interviews for players. A team meeting that followed.
Speaker 1: James later reports that Garrett used phrases that suggested a
Speaker 1: permanent departure rather than a mere end to another season.
Speaker 1: Garrett later met with Jara and Stephen Jones, the vice president,
Speaker 1: for roughly an hour. That said, still Greg, nothing to report.
Speaker 1: How did they meet for an hour and not happening?
Speaker 1: It's like only Jerry Jones, Like what he was like
Speaker 1: talking about Arkansas football and all the good times that
Speaker 1: they had, and like he's like he was waiting for
Speaker 1: Garrett to fire himself because he didn't. Doesn't he just
Speaker 1: want to own the Tuesday news cycle because all these
Speaker 1: other teams have a piece of the piety. You can
Speaker 1: talk about it as if it's happened, because it's it's happening,
Speaker 1: and they're apparently orchestrating however they wanted to be played
Speaker 1: out with a press conference or whatever. It doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I'm more curious about who's next. And Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones said he's not worried about what other teams are doing,
Speaker 1: and he hinted that who he's interested in, those names
Speaker 1: aren't on these lists. And so you've also seen some speculation.
Speaker 1: Could Mike Zimmer be someone that he goes after Ian
Speaker 1: Rapport throw that out, Mike Florio threw that out. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's some big name college coaches. Bob Stoops has been
Speaker 1: whispered about, maybe Urban Meyer. So it seems like those
Speaker 1: are the kind of big fish that Jones might be
Speaker 1: going for. Vikings have to make a decision on Zimmer,
Speaker 1: whose contract is only through two twenties, so they make
Speaker 1: a decision on him this offseason, and something tells me
Speaker 1: they do not want to leave. They don't want to
Speaker 1: lose Kevin Stefanski, who was a big candidate with the
Speaker 1: Browns last year and is getting interest again. So I
Speaker 1: think Zimmer is interesting. What's gonna happen? Especially if they lose.
Speaker 1: If they lose to the Saints and the defense doesn't
Speaker 1: play well, it's three straight losses. It's tricky though, because
Speaker 1: they've had one losing season out of six. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has five winning seasons. Ron Rivera has three, and
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera's talked about, you know, like he's in the
Speaker 1: next one Mike Zimmer season. Ron Rivera. It speaks to
Speaker 1: the madness of covering the Cowboys. Clarence Hill, who works
Speaker 1: down there, Uh, he was live tweeting like everyone else
Speaker 1: down there. Uh a press conference that Jared was holding.
Speaker 1: I feel like it had to be around midnight, uh
Speaker 1: Central time. And uh, here's just a snapshot of when
Speaker 1: all any sane person wants to know is Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: fired or not? And instead he's he's opening Jara on
Speaker 1: how how Dak Prescott and miss Tony Romo's passing record
Speaker 1: mark for a single season by one yard? And here's
Speaker 1: the quote. It really breaks my heart that Dad didn't
Speaker 1: get that record by what a yard? A yard? I
Speaker 1: would have gone out there run a route for him
Speaker 1: and at that at that time to get that yard.
Speaker 1: He deserves that. And I locked the boy who's got
Speaker 1: the record sometimes there are there are whiskeys involved. We
Speaker 1: are we talking about this? Uh? In other coaching limbo news,
Speaker 1: Doug Maron still the coach of the Jaguars. So a
Speaker 1: brief timeline timeline here, Tom Coughlin, the football's are gets
Speaker 1: canned about what seven to ten days ago? Uh. The
Speaker 1: assumption is that Maron's gonna go, But then some reports
Speaker 1: are bubbling that he could perhaps survive. Then at ESPN
Speaker 1: reports UH that in fact Maron had been told already
Speaker 1: that he was fired and he would finish out the
Speaker 1: season and then be gone. That was disputed and then
Speaker 1: ultimately proven to be false, because Maron still is employed
Speaker 1: as of now with the Jaguars, and there is apparently
Speaker 1: a meeting scheduled between Maron and Shot Khan at some
Speaker 1: point this week, UH, ostensibly to finally settle his fate,
Speaker 1: to which I say, Chris Westling hed better be staying
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm not saying it's the right move,
Speaker 1: but like, what are we doing here while all the
Speaker 1: other teams looking for a head coach are whining and
Speaker 1: dining and pursuing the top options. Uh, you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: pussy footing here. Make a decision Esther get off the
Speaker 1: pot well, Mike Gara Folo said it's about a fifty
Speaker 1: fifty chance, and I think it might be higher than
Speaker 1: that because it seems like Tony Khan, a friend of
Speaker 1: the show we've had him on before, seems like taking
Speaker 1: on a more responsibility on the football side and making
Speaker 1: these decisions. And maybe that's part of the hold up
Speaker 1: is there's changing responsibilities there. Tony Khan allegedly is a
Speaker 1: big fan of Doug Moron and a big fan of
Speaker 1: David Caldwell. I would imagine David Caldwell is also safe.
Speaker 1: Of course what role he has in the organization that
Speaker 1: could shift, But I guess, yeah, Greg, do you do
Speaker 1: you does it feel to you now that Maron is
Speaker 1: gonna be back to me? It just seems like Tom
Speaker 1: Coughlin ended up being the big fall guy at the
Speaker 1: end of the day here. Yeah, I think that would
Speaker 1: be a mistake. But I guess I'll wait to wait
Speaker 1: to find out. Uh and other news, what do we
Speaker 1: have a Panther's candidates who's jumping out right in that
Speaker 1: search to replace Ron Rivertt's not Perry Fuel. I can
Speaker 1: tell you that. Well, they've they've interviewed Mike McCarthy twice
Speaker 1: now and supposedly that it went very well. But Matt
Speaker 1: Rule is also very high on their list, according to
Speaker 1: rap Sheet, who also mentioned Josh McDaniels and Eric the Enemy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they asked for permission for McDaniels. Rule is interesting because
Speaker 1: I think they still have a game. And he says
Speaker 1: he's going on vacation after that with his wife and
Speaker 1: he's not taking any interviews until he's back from vacation.
Speaker 1: So if playing a little hard to get and and
Speaker 1: he said yeah, if he if, if it doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: then then he's fine with that. Rule. By the way,
Speaker 1: Bob Bates d d as my father in law, good husband, moved,
Speaker 1: by the way, probably well, and then publicize it. So
Speaker 1: you look, you look, you just look like an excellent
Speaker 1: family man. So Bob the dds is as great. Point
Speaker 1: is as plugged in on bailor as anyone. And he
Speaker 1: is going to be furious of Rule leaves. Now, He's
Speaker 1: not a man that gets furious, but he will be
Speaker 1: very unhappy because what Rule has done there, Yes it
Speaker 1: is not um, well, my father in law hasn't built
Speaker 1: this bailor program, But what Rule did with Baylor after
Speaker 1: they had their scandal. Uh, it doesn't. It doesn't touch
Speaker 1: what happened with Bill O'Brien at Penn State. But he
Speaker 1: quickly rebuilt Baylor back into a powerhouse. And he's young,
Speaker 1: and he's exactly a type of hot shot college coach
Speaker 1: that you think is going to get plucked. And he
Speaker 1: was open it seemed to go into the Jets last
Speaker 1: year and the Jets failed to seal the deal. Well,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't allow him to pick his own staff, which
Speaker 1: I would say, ultimately if he feels like a match
Speaker 1: for the Giants, and it's it's hard to see the
Speaker 1: Jets always get put in these situations. But if he
Speaker 1: were to go to New York and completely raise the
Speaker 1: Giants from the go of the earth, well that is
Speaker 1: a tough look for the Jets. I simply wouldn't allow
Speaker 1: to pick his own assistance. Although maybe that's a point
Speaker 1: to why Gettleman could be a liability, you know, like
Speaker 1: what if Matt Rule isn't isn't feeling that partnership. But
Speaker 1: they've worked together before and know each other, So uh,
Speaker 1: let's move on. The Dolphins make a move on bright horizons. Monday,
Speaker 1: parting ways with two of their coaches on Ryan Flores's staff,
Speaker 1: including their offensive coordinator uh An Irishman. Chad o'sheay out
Speaker 1: after one season, and the first sense think is, well,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Why would you do that?
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know he taught he turned water into
Speaker 1: wine down there this year. But as we pointed out
Speaker 1: on the Sunday Week seventeen recap show, which we heartily
Speaker 1: endorsed and suggest you check out even though it landed
Speaker 1: not eighteen hours ago, Um, Fitzpatrick just made a lot
Speaker 1: of that magic happen on his own, and the offensive
Speaker 1: line coach also got fired. The offensive line was a turnstile,
Speaker 1: and to Fitzpatrick's credit, West he just found ways to
Speaker 1: stay on his feet and make plays all year. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good way to put it, that Fitzpatrick style.
Speaker 1: This is a good point by me, absolutely. I think
Speaker 1: Greg should update the standings there. That was a good point.
Speaker 1: Ricky is in charge of this. I just she's typing furiously.
Speaker 1: If I mean maybe my idea for this entire bit
Speaker 1: that could be as a good as a good one.
Speaker 1: That was right. I mean, anytime you can just you know,
Speaker 1: throw and tack on more work onto our producer while
Speaker 1: she's trying to do seven other things at the same time.
Speaker 1: You'll undoubtedly win this contest. It fits is out there
Speaker 1: playing sand lot ball or as our friend Patrick Claiban
Speaker 1: would say, going John Wick on the Patriots. How much
Speaker 1: credit does the offensive coordinator get? And I know they
Speaker 1: had a just a brutal running attack, but they also
Speaker 1: had Mark Walton who looked like a keeper from minute
Speaker 1: until he ran afoul of the law again. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if O OCEE should be blamed for that,
Speaker 1: but there's obviously something going on behind the scenes that
Speaker 1: Brian Flora wasn't happy. Right They've they've worked together for
Speaker 1: a long time. They knew each other forever in New England.
Speaker 1: So I guess is it's less about production and more
Speaker 1: about either they already he knows who he wants to
Speaker 1: hire that would be my guest or just Chadowha has
Speaker 1: never had that role before, and Flora's is making the
Speaker 1: decision that that's not even though it likes him personally,
Speaker 1: like that's not the guy he wants. Or Belichick on
Speaker 1: the phone and said, you fire that man now, because
Speaker 1: we're about to lose Josh McDaniels, and I'm taking him
Speaker 1: back onto our staff. I mean that this really goes
Speaker 1: against your whole trojan horse thing that they went up
Speaker 1: there and beat the Patriots though kind of well that's
Speaker 1: why now it's it was a it was a thorny
Speaker 1: phone call, not a pleasant one for all the fits
Speaker 1: magic sizzle in Miami. Uh. They finished seven in total yards,
Speaker 1: averaging just north of three a game. And the offensive
Speaker 1: line coach that was let goes Dave do Googlia who
Speaker 1: why is that name familiar that I can keeps getting fired?
Speaker 1: He's got five by the Patriots before you know he
Speaker 1: was He was with the Jets at one point too,
Speaker 1: so he's been around. But he so SCARNECKI retired, They
Speaker 1: brought in Googs and then canned Googs and brought Xcarneck.
Speaker 1: Tom Googliott is still my favorite. Good He's the guy
Speaker 1: after the guy and the guy before the guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in this case, whatever, he's the guy you don't want
Speaker 1: to be moving on the Brownies. Brownies, they are taking
Speaker 1: a more measured approach to their head coaching search. Uh,
Speaker 1: digging through a bunch of options. Uh. Mike McCarthy is
Speaker 1: now connected to the team which I am on record
Speaker 1: saying that feels like a sensible match, though everyone else
Speaker 1: seems to hate Mike McCarthy. Josh McDaniels, connected to the Panthers, Uh,
Speaker 1: Greg Roman is connected Towns Robert Sala. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: out another one. I saw that happened on air, connected
Speaker 1: to both teams, connected to the Browns, Jason Garrett well
Speaker 1: connected in what sense someone put that out there's actual
Speaker 1: information or yeah? I thought it, thought it might be
Speaker 1: someone that I can see. I think he fits what
Speaker 1: they now. You know, they've had every type of head
Speaker 1: coach in the in the book, but now we want
Speaker 1: an experienced head coach, so they're gonna go get an
Speaker 1: experienced head coach. It's usually it's also the famous. You
Speaker 1: want the disciplinarian, then you want the players coach, right,
Speaker 1: disciplinarian players coach. I am, I am beyond exact. I
Speaker 1: was never a fan. I was never a huge fan
Speaker 1: of McCarthy. But maybe it's this pr work he's done.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's as he's like into analytics and
Speaker 1: what's the update video of my quarterback's feet and he
Speaker 1: wants the updated offense. I just feel like the Browns
Speaker 1: keep having total strikeouts and he would be like a
Speaker 1: single up the middle, and so that is not bad.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I feel like Mike McCarthy is one young
Speaker 1: jeezy viral video away from being like the hottest candidate
Speaker 1: out there. The pr campaign has worked the one thing
Speaker 1: that like with Josh McDaniels, and I think I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like Josh McDaniels is who they want because
Speaker 1: they've they've wanted him before whatever. You would feel differently
Speaker 1: about Josh McDaniels. But there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: saying that the Browns are into the Josh McDaniels experience
Speaker 1: and that he would want to bring the infamous Nick
Speaker 1: Kissario with him, not the pastor who's down in Houston,
Speaker 1: but the Patriots Nikossario and John Dorsey. Sits right in
Speaker 1: the way of that. So I think the Dorsey is
Speaker 1: another guy that you gotta do. Whoever they bring in
Speaker 1: has to deal with the Dorsey experience. At the same time,
Speaker 1: it's completely muddled. All right, Let's go through some soundbites
Speaker 1: from Exit interview Monday Monday. Now, my children's horizons, they
Speaker 1: both sound like rehab facilities, but that's fine. They are anyway,
Speaker 1: here's speaking of the Brown's Jarvis Landry, who didn't waste
Speaker 1: any time sounding off on why he thought that Freddy
Speaker 1: Kitchens wasn't the right guy. There are always times in
Speaker 1: seasons where things happen, you know, guys get hurt, um
Speaker 1: off the field issues. You know, a bunch of different
Speaker 1: things happened, um, you know, in crucial points in the
Speaker 1: game and breaking points of the game. UM, being able
Speaker 1: to hold your composure, of being able to um, you know,
Speaker 1: talk to each other, um, um, treat everybody in respect.
Speaker 1: You know. I just think at times, you know, there
Speaker 1: was a lack thereof there's just opportunities in games where
Speaker 1: you know, I know on the outside, on the outside
Speaker 1: that we could have taken advantage of you know, teams
Speaker 1: you know, um weaknesses you know, and that and that
Speaker 1: that we did and and um, you know, we just
Speaker 1: didn't really um, I just didn't really know what the
Speaker 1: plan was or what we were trying to do or
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever really found our identity. Well,
Speaker 1: that is quite a take that of the Freddy Kitchens experience.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mark has been on this corner for a while.
Speaker 1: They've been taking them down on the sidelines, like you
Speaker 1: can basically tell what's going They orchestrated, not that he
Speaker 1: was gonna necessarily stay or not, but they essentially it
Speaker 1: was like a coupe. How much more can you do
Speaker 1: than telling, you know, the other teams to come get you.
Speaker 1: Outside of Eric Mangini and you know, Joe Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: and Andrew Hawkins told a story of the team kind
Speaker 1: of throwing a party when Andrew when Eric Mangini was released.
Speaker 1: But you know, honestly, that didn't happen the same way
Speaker 1: with Hugh Jackson. There were a lot of players that
Speaker 1: liked the man and whether or not the experience was good,
Speaker 1: obviously it wasn't. But you you just couldn't find a
Speaker 1: Browns player that really went to bat for Freddie Kitchens
Speaker 1: in the past twenty four hours, which kind of flies
Speaker 1: in the face of because I haven't heard. Baker just
Speaker 1: sort of threw it into the you know, it's not
Speaker 1: my decision kind of thing, which is, you know, Baker
Speaker 1: someone that's going to go out and back someone if
Speaker 1: he if he feels that way. And of course, as
Speaker 1: the story goes, it was Baker that helped get Freddie
Speaker 1: Kitchens hired. I wonder how their relationship. I mean, to
Speaker 1: Baker's credit, sometimes he doesn't know when to shut up.
Speaker 1: He never kind of came out and said anything that
Speaker 1: made things even worse for Kitchens. You didn't Baker never
Speaker 1: really spoke out. I think this will be one case
Speaker 1: that or where as more reporting comes out in the
Speaker 1: next week. There was another. I saw a source that
Speaker 1: talked about that the team had never been so befuddled
Speaker 1: by a lack of direction when it came to organized
Speaker 1: game day management in preparation week to week, and it
Speaker 1: showed on the field. And I think that that by
Speaker 1: the end of the year, veterans who have been around
Speaker 1: better coaching, we're just starting to lose it. And so
Speaker 1: the right choice was made. I mean, we all get
Speaker 1: that Freddie Kitchens seems like a dude you want to
Speaker 1: go hang out with for a weekend, to go on
Speaker 1: a road trip with, but not necessarily game plan for
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Two more points Landry made There was too
Speaker 1: much on the head coach's plate. And this was a
Speaker 1: bone of contention that we brought up a few times.
Speaker 1: Why is Todd Monkin not getting a chance to call
Speaker 1: the offense instead of Freddy Kitchens? And the other point
Speaker 1: was Landry said, we relied too much on plays and
Speaker 1: not players. So Freddie Kitchens wanted to go with his
Speaker 1: offense instead of tailoring it towards the skills of his
Speaker 1: The whole staff get let go last year on the market.
Speaker 1: It's in process. But what they weren't immediately fired there
Speaker 1: they can look for jobs, as have four thousand billion
Speaker 1: other assistants in Cleveland. All right, um, let's move on.
Speaker 1: John Elway. Yeah, John needed uh the second half, he
Speaker 1: really did that. He's the general manager, the czar in Denver.
Speaker 1: And this one's for John. I've heard this one's for John.
Speaker 1: This one's for John, This one's for John. This songs
Speaker 1: for John, and that one's for John. This one's for John.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Also that ones for John. So not surprising.
Speaker 1: Laugh at the end. We didn't get the Sydney version.
Speaker 1: I always thought that's beautiful. Not a surprise, Yes, John Elway, Yes.
Speaker 1: The Broncos finished x and two to finish seven and nine. Uh.
Speaker 1: Drew Lock wins four of his five starts at quarterback,
Speaker 1: and Elway was asked, Hey, with this nice start from
Speaker 1: your rookie second round pick, does that change your approach?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be looking to bring in competition for
Speaker 1: the kid entering? And Elway was pretty strong on it. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't see any options right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously he finished and did a heck of a job.
Speaker 1: He won four out of five games and played well,
Speaker 1: but got a lot of work to do. But we're
Speaker 1: excited about where Drew is and so, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't like to show our hand, but I think
Speaker 1: it's unrealistic to say that we're going in a different direction.
Speaker 1: I think it's an upset that in this room there's
Speaker 1: someone that is more antagonistic to John Elway than I am.
Speaker 1: Who I mean, it's just well, I mean why I
Speaker 1: witnessed other things happening during that. Okay, there's legit antagonism there.
Speaker 1: I missed that. I like that. He was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to show her hand, but yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 1: Drew Lock. Why even to show your hands? Who needs
Speaker 1: you know? Why? He can't help himself? Because who needs
Speaker 1: who needs a w at the quarterback position more than Elway?
Speaker 1: And if he gets a chance to take an off
Speaker 1: season long victory lap, even if it's built on perhaps
Speaker 1: a house of cards, as Drew Lock really shown us
Speaker 1: that much. Always smart, he gets it. He's gonna use
Speaker 1: this off season to show that, Yeah, maybe I'm not
Speaker 1: so bad at this Bozos. Well, like Greg mentioned on
Speaker 1: the last show, what you do for the last five
Speaker 1: six weeks of the season has no more bearing on
Speaker 1: the future than what you did for the first six
Speaker 1: weeks of the season. I don't want Drew Luck to
Speaker 1: be overrated. I don't want him to fail. I just
Speaker 1: feel like the Broncos are putting too much stock in
Speaker 1: the last six games as far as expectations for next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's right. I mean that it was pretty telling.
Speaker 1: I think maybe they sign a veteran backup. But it
Speaker 1: does sound like Drew Locks the guy. Whereas, if you
Speaker 1: compare his comments to how Anthony Lynn talked about Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers on Monday, just he was, you know, he's very positive.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you want a quarterback like that? A lot
Speaker 1: of great qualities. But stop short and then John Gruden
Speaker 1: especially uh stopping short of promising that Derek Carr was
Speaker 1: gonna be his quarterback, saying, look, he improved a lot,
Speaker 1: the stats went up, we we got better, But I'm
Speaker 1: not going to make and he promises right now that
Speaker 1: I think that shows the differences between those three teams
Speaker 1: in that division, that those teams are looking for options,
Speaker 1: probably the Chargers most aggressively, Raiders in the middle, and
Speaker 1: the Broncos at the end. I think a Raiders option
Speaker 1: could be Philip Rivers down the road. Oh, I like that.
Speaker 1: I could see that. I don't know if it would work,
Speaker 1: but I could Philip Rivers. Everyone's like, oh, John Gruden
Speaker 1: wants a young guy. John Gruden always wanted an old guy.
Speaker 1: That's who he always signs, Rich Gannon, you know, Jeff Garcia,
Speaker 1: Brian Greasy, like every old guy. He could find that
Speaker 1: because that those are the guys that under stand his
Speaker 1: offense and run it how he wants it. I could
Speaker 1: see what could phil Rivers football van drive to the
Speaker 1: desert and back that many times? I Philip Rivers in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas do not feel like a match now, It's
Speaker 1: like a minute forty five minute plane ride. Oh what
Speaker 1: kind of works? Um and other news. Bruce Arians gave
Speaker 1: his end of season presser and uh, he flying to
Speaker 1: practice every day on a plane. No, but you go
Speaker 1: home for like Friday nights and stuff. He quarterbacks have
Speaker 1: done that. You go home Friday nights. You know, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm the assistant coach of the soccer team here, I'm
Speaker 1: just really breaking film. I'm sure there, I'm your QB
Speaker 1: one here, I'm just dead. Bruce Arians is still salty
Speaker 1: about his quarterback. He was salty as we talked about
Speaker 1: on Sunday night. He's salty as we talk on Monday because, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, his quarterback is killing him. It literally could
Speaker 1: be killing Bruce Arians. You see his face and how
Speaker 1: read he's getting because he just can't deal with the
Speaker 1: the swashbuckling QB who cannot stop turning the ball over
Speaker 1: thirty interceptions. Give me a break with the swashbuckling business
Speaker 1: to pick six to end the season. On Monday, he
Speaker 1: was asked Bruce Arians was if someone other than Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston who Winston? Of course, his contract set to expire
Speaker 1: in March, someone other than Jameis Winston, Uh could handle
Speaker 1: quarterback duties for the Bucks in with another quarterback. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we can win with this one. We can win and
Speaker 1: we can definitely win with another one too. These guys.
Speaker 1: And he's sending he's sending a message to Jamis that
Speaker 1: he is, he's p oed well. He was asked about
Speaker 1: the evaluation process and his answer was, the first question
Speaker 1: is what's behind door number two? As in, what are
Speaker 1: my other options at quarterback? And then he disclosed that
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston is near sighted. He can't see the scoreboard
Speaker 1: and he can see the guys in front of it.
Speaker 1: That was a joke. That was a joke. It was
Speaker 1: pretty great. I mean, it's a great Arians line. He
Speaker 1: can't see the scoreboard, he doesn't you know, he's hurting
Speaker 1: our team. But if he showed up at training camp
Speaker 1: with like Rick Vaughan glasses that completely correct his vision
Speaker 1: and he's like Steve Young crossed with Dan Marino, Well,
Speaker 1: the reason why I took it seriously is he was
Speaker 1: a specifically about Winston's vision issues. One of one of
Speaker 1: our favorite Twitter follows that that boy Wolf has had
Speaker 1: this theory forever that Jamis Winston just needs context. I
Speaker 1: think that Bruce arians was absolutely first of all, the
Speaker 1: the that interception might change how their offseason goes if
Speaker 1: they were feeling good off of an overtime win. I
Speaker 1: feel like none of they have these quotes wouldn't be happening.
Speaker 1: But I also think he was responding because he knows
Speaker 1: he has a contract negotiation that's probably already annoying him,
Speaker 1: and he probably heard what Jamis Winston uh said in
Speaker 1: his prop press conference, and he was like, responding to
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston on Monday, here's what Jamie said. We all know.
Speaker 1: I guess we know what we gotta fix. There's no
Speaker 1: reason for me to be specific. You look at my numbers.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm balling. You know, I gotta stop giving the
Speaker 1: ball to the other team. All right, it's not a
Speaker 1: trick question. I think you're exactly right. I think there
Speaker 1: was more to it too. He was like check the stats.
Speaker 1: He said, like check the digits. He's something just something
Speaker 1: like that. And I think Bruce Arians went into that
Speaker 1: press conference ticked off about that comment and going, does
Speaker 1: this guy really think he's well, that's the only way
Speaker 1: you throw thirty touchdowns in thirty interceptions if you have
Speaker 1: that attitude, you know what I mean. He's Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: is not going to be coaching for the next seventeen years.
Speaker 1: So it's like, do you want to go out with
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston or do you want to find something better?
Speaker 1: When there are a lot of quarterbacks that he's a lot.
Speaker 1: He's a little like Ryan Fitzpatrick, except he just was
Speaker 1: taking number one over all. Right. Uh. And finally in
Speaker 1: the news, Adam Gates wrapped up his regular a season
Speaker 1: conversation with the media with a press conference. He was
Speaker 1: asked if Levyan Bell, who's coming off really a dreadful
Speaker 1: first season with the Jets. He never had a twenty
Speaker 1: yard run this year? How about that average? And I
Speaker 1: believe three point three yards for Carrie was not all
Speaker 1: his fault, but certainly some of it is Bell just
Speaker 1: maybe not being the guy who was with the Steelers
Speaker 1: after that one year layoff. The Jets are are really
Speaker 1: locked into another year with Bell money wise, unless they
Speaker 1: decided to take a real hit or can move him
Speaker 1: via trade. Gaze was asked if he saw or if
Speaker 1: he wanted leaf Bell on the team in and this
Speaker 1: is what he said. You he's under contract for three
Speaker 1: more years. You're gonna ask Joe tomorrow? Do you want
Speaker 1: you can ask Joe tomorrow? I'm not the personal Church
Speaker 1: personal m alright. So a couple of things done unpack
Speaker 1: here one. Uh. Famously, Gaye was not on board with
Speaker 1: the signing of leve Bell. Mike mccagnen with ownership, uh
Speaker 1: pushing forward as well, made the move, and it got
Speaker 1: out that Gates didn't want Bell, getting them off on
Speaker 1: the wrong foot. Gates then sits out a lot of
Speaker 1: the voluntary work with the team after the one year layoff,
Speaker 1: which I think led to a little more heat than
Speaker 1: than the really bad season. Uh. So you can understand
Speaker 1: why Gaze might not want this guy back on the team. However,
Speaker 1: this is another example to me why Adam Gates is
Speaker 1: just not a good fit in the New York market.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. Is that he can easily
Speaker 1: just give a a diplomatic answer here, say who wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to have Leve Bell back? I know the numbers
Speaker 1: didn't say it this year, but he did a lot
Speaker 1: of good things for us and and we we hope
Speaker 1: to work together and do something much better next season.
Speaker 1: He could have done that, and it's not like that
Speaker 1: none of this is being talked about, but he I
Speaker 1: don't think he's able to do that. And I also
Speaker 1: wonder Niche Meta, who I brought up last week, who
Speaker 1: wrote the hit piece about Gaze only caring about money
Speaker 1: or whatever that was last week. He was the one
Speaker 1: where he like he kidnaps Orphans uh and throws him
Speaker 1: in the trash on Christmas Eve. Yea, it came out
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve. Uh. He asked that question as well,
Speaker 1: And I just wonder and some of the beat writers
Speaker 1: connected dots on this too. If Gaze, because he's so
Speaker 1: furious that Maniche would would do that to him, was
Speaker 1: being short with him and gave him clipped answers and said,
Speaker 1: go get it from somebody else, go get it from
Speaker 1: the GM, not realizing, not being savvy enough in the
Speaker 1: big chair to realize that you could have your issue
Speaker 1: with Maniche. But when you answer like that, people are
Speaker 1: gonna read it in a different way. And it's just
Speaker 1: the type of stuff that I think he has to
Speaker 1: learn to have any chance of Except I mean that
Speaker 1: it's a fair question based on what Gaze has cases
Speaker 1: come out and supported Bell throughout the season two. And
Speaker 1: you know, when you dig into a little bit more,
Speaker 1: if you look at everything he said, there's been a
Speaker 1: pretty balanced take on Levan Bell, except that I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I really buy or believe anything at him, Gates says,
Speaker 1: And as someone who wears like their heart on their
Speaker 1: sleeve and sometimes can't hide their own emotions. I can
Speaker 1: get that side of gaze, but you gotta be winning
Speaker 1: to be treating people this way and treating the media
Speaker 1: this way and allowing these clips to filter out and
Speaker 1: take over Twitter for five or six hours. Well, I
Speaker 1: know I'm not I'm not battling, but I'm saying, it's
Speaker 1: like it's it is it is. It's super toxic way
Speaker 1: to kick off the off. It's such an easy way
Speaker 1: to avoid this and he has not yet learned how
Speaker 1: to avoid these types of do we think he's gonna
Speaker 1: learn this suddenly, But it feels like a people we've
Speaker 1: talked about as presscarfences in Miami. More importantly, in terms
Speaker 1: of treating people, it's it's how you're treating leviyan Bell.
Speaker 1: I mean lebian Bell is not it. He shouldn't be
Speaker 1: on the team. Lebian Bell does not have it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had a million chances to have those those twenty
Speaker 1: yard runs. He still has those great instincts where like
Speaker 1: it's in his body at the exploit, it's not there.
Speaker 1: I mean they should move on from Lavy in Bell
Speaker 1: that that is a separate issue. But when you're a
Speaker 1: player on the team who's friends with Lavy and Bell
Speaker 1: and like how he's approached things. Or if you're players
Speaker 1: who might want to join the team, you don't want
Speaker 1: to see your coach talking about you. Think there was
Speaker 1: a group text chain with some of the players, like
Speaker 1: what the hell is wrong with this guy? Absolutely there,
Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson can't wait to get out of there. I
Speaker 1: mean there's like that's that is a issue with you
Speaker 1: building your team, and it's probably driving Joe Douglas nuts.
Speaker 1: Somebody can go pay that's fine, but it's another player
Speaker 1: that ends. But it's another player with a fracture relationship
Speaker 1: with the coach. It's just it's a little concern. I
Speaker 1: think he doesn't seem to be glowing calling at the
Speaker 1: big Chair Dan, and there's only thirty two of these.
Speaker 1: It just surprises me as much as it surprised me
Speaker 1: that Freddie Kitchen's got a job in two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: for the All Shucks kind of like good old boy
Speaker 1: persona has. You have to have communication skills, you have
Speaker 1: to have emotional stability, you have to have public relay
Speaker 1: sans to be an NFL head coach. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how Adam Gates got hired the first time, much
Speaker 1: less the second time with those issues. A lot of
Speaker 1: people say Peyton Manning, the power of Peyton Manning is
Speaker 1: a big thing with his career. Anyway, before we go,
Speaker 1: we got we got an update, We got an update,
Speaker 1: another edition of keeping up. It sounds like Bengals tight
Speaker 1: end more read's bow wringer. He's staying in Cincinnati. He
Speaker 1: signed a reserve future contract with the Bengals on Monday.
Speaker 1: He spent the second consecutive season on the team's practice
Speaker 1: squad in the set to remain there for yet another season.
Speaker 1: The German born, German born tight end um still looking
Speaker 1: to make his NFL debut since being drafted in the
Speaker 1: sixth round by the Minneso the Vikings in the twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen draft. Okay, if you're gonna go sixteen weeks only
Speaker 1: using fifty two your fifty three roster spots because you're
Speaker 1: carrying a j Green, the least thing you can do
Speaker 1: for Maritz is give up one of your you know,
Speaker 1: reserve contracts slots for the It's gonna he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna write a beautiful ending to this story that loves
Speaker 1: all the skeptics in this room. Wrong Mobile Nation was
Speaker 1: really excited about this news. I saw the mobile lies
Speaker 1: onto an actual I saw our friend right saw our friend,
Speaker 1: Henry Hodson driving into work, and he immediately stopped. He
Speaker 1: took out his phone. He showed me the news update
Speaker 1: and the excitement in his face. Mobio carries a lot
Speaker 1: of hopes and dreams, um not just in this country,
Speaker 1: but especially in Germany. Well, Henry approved the Henry gets
Speaker 1: a seven point five percent cut of any money that
Speaker 1: mobile makes on the said practice squad and Roger Goodell's job.
Speaker 1: He's locked on the squad. He can't even be activated
Speaker 1: to the for a whole other year. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's future contract. Is just basically, you're signing squad this year.
Speaker 1: He was. He was stuck on the because Henry is
Speaker 1: taking no no, I wish the best contract, like basically
Speaker 1: all the players that are invited to training camp and
Speaker 1: is on. He's on the ninety man roster and then
Speaker 1: they'll decide what I remember when Dion Lewis was playing
Speaker 1: really well for the Patriots, they signed him by way
Speaker 1: ever reserve future contract. It's just a way of adding practice.
Speaker 1: One guy. I wish him just simply the best. And
Speaker 1: that was another addition of keeping up with one of
Speaker 1: the best additions. I thought it was mobile eyes ten
Speaker 1: pole moment for him. I gotta get going around. The
Speaker 1: NFL show reminder Friday, six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific
Speaker 1: on NFL Network. They actually gave us a show. They
Speaker 1: did not want to do this, but we just through
Speaker 1: the sheer power. And this is there's some unsolicited advice.
Speaker 1: We get this a lot, actually, people, How do you
Speaker 1: make it in the business? How do you how do
Speaker 1: you build a career in sports? I will tell you
Speaker 1: one of the secrets, and I'm not even joking, and
Speaker 1: it carries on not just in sports, but in any
Speaker 1: realm or profession you choose. Just stay in the picture. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's good, Crank. Stay in the picture, and opportunities will
Speaker 1: find you. Don't leave. Don't leave, don't say oh well,
Speaker 1: amount of time, because if you just stick around long enough,
Speaker 1: one day, they'll be executives walking around the building and
Speaker 1: they're like, wait, we need to fill that three o'clock slot.
Speaker 1: Is anyone around? And there we are. We were just
Speaker 1: sitting there that day. They tapped this on the Shoulder's
Speaker 1: exactly how would played out a guy shopping a giant
Speaker 1: cigar like a five pound man those guys around here
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you whip a snap us. You got
Speaker 1: your own show six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific on
Speaker 1: the NFL Show. Also, yes, are Miami Improv Live show
Speaker 1: super Bowl week That's gonna be fun. The Thursday before
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl we'll have that live show. So check
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Speaker 1: get tickets and join us. It will be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. We'll be back on Thursday with our wild
Speaker 1: Card weekend preview of four big games. Don't forget the
Speaker 1: big reveal at the end of this show. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a less time for Erica tam Possey. No that
Speaker 1: we don't need a list. No, yeah, I have a
Speaker 1: list of like the nominees. It's like the list of
Speaker 1: The best point in the podcast is Greg letting me
Speaker 1: pick the best point of the podcast. I also thought
Speaker 1: the best point was me asking Mark about McDaniels to
Speaker 1: the Browns. Um. I also had a place at the time,
Speaker 1: but now I realized you just wanted to get a
Speaker 1: point that you could put on the list of points. Um.
Speaker 1: But then I have two little sub things. That's Greg
Speaker 1: pointing out that Dan call to the NFL Network historian,
Speaker 1: which was like a way to brag by putting it
Speaker 1: on Dan, And then Dan brought it back and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: remember I was on the record for McCarthy, Like you
Speaker 1: kind of like did that? Did it bad? West said
Speaker 1: something about Nero. I wrote that down literally, something about Nero. Um,
Speaker 1: someone said something about Fitzpatrick's style. I mean, not points
Speaker 1: that we've made in the show. No, no, there, Okay.
Speaker 1: So also on the best point in the podcast is
Speaker 1: when I thought to myself that since Cliff Kingsbury did
Speaker 1: like a pretty decent job as a head coach, that
Speaker 1: maybe that persuaded the league to like look more into
Speaker 1: college coaches, because we've been looking into more college coaches
Speaker 1: than ever before. On this you said that. No, I
Speaker 1: thought to myself as if this segment could have ended
Speaker 1: any other way, right, But it was a smart move
Speaker 1: wait by her to guarantee we never do the segment again.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a recurrent thing. And the winner, the
Speaker 1: winner of the winner of the best point of the
Speaker 1: podcast was Greg's throat noise. Okay, can we hear that? There?
Speaker 1: It is I'll never forget it. It's been a long
Speaker 1: is that he You knew it was bad when he
Speaker 1: started deflecting, He's like, what about what's the jacket and
Speaker 1: send a microphone. I'm talking my jacket in they were
Speaker 1: making fish noise. I was trying to get your attention.
Speaker 1: Got the creature of the black lagoon in the studio.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, there's a lot of ambient noise in
Speaker 1: this studio. It's like it came from your throat. Poor Greg.
Speaker 1: We've all done it, but with these mics and these
Speaker 1: and these cans, it was picked up. It was it
Speaker 1: was aggressive. I don't even remember it. You have to
Speaker 1: go see a doctor immediately. I blacked out. If I ever,
Speaker 1: it would be painful. Let's go. We gotta get out
Speaker 1: of here. Please another New Horizon our first group trip
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Dan Hans is signing off for Quiet
Speaker 1: Storm and go home. A mailman, the old Boss Whatt
Speaker 1: of Collywood behind the glass heill Thursday m