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Speaker 1: Ron Rivera's talked about, you know, like he's in the

429
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Speaker 1: next one Mike Zimmer season. Ron Rivera. It speaks to

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Speaker 1: the madness of covering the Cowboys. Clarence Hill, who works

431
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Speaker 1: down there, Uh, he was live tweeting like everyone else

432
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Speaker 1: down there. Uh a press conference that Jared was holding.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it had to be around midnight, uh

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Speaker 1: Central time. And uh, here's just a snapshot of when

435
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Speaker 1: all any sane person wants to know is Jason Garrett

436
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Speaker 1: fired or not? And instead he's he's opening Jara on

437
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: how how Dak Prescott and miss Tony Romo's passing record

438
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Speaker 1: mark for a single season by one yard? And here's

439
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Speaker 1: the quote. It really breaks my heart that Dad didn't

440
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: get that record by what a yard? A yard? I

441
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Speaker 1: would have gone out there run a route for him

442
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: and at that at that time to get that yard.

443
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: He deserves that. And I locked the boy who's got

444
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Speaker 1: the record sometimes there are there are whiskeys involved. We

445
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Speaker 1: are we talking about this? Uh? In other coaching limbo news,

446
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Speaker 1: Doug Maron still the coach of the Jaguars. So a

447
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: brief timeline timeline here, Tom Coughlin, the football's are gets

448
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: canned about what seven to ten days ago? Uh. The

449
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: assumption is that Maron's gonna go, But then some reports

450
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: are bubbling that he could perhaps survive. Then at ESPN

451
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: reports UH that in fact Maron had been told already

452
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Speaker 1: that he was fired and he would finish out the

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Speaker 1: season and then be gone. That was disputed and then

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Speaker 1: ultimately proven to be false, because Maron still is employed

455
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Speaker 1: as of now with the Jaguars, and there is apparently

456
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Speaker 1: a meeting scheduled between Maron and Shot Khan at some

457
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Speaker 1: point this week, UH, ostensibly to finally settle his fate,

458
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Speaker 1: to which I say, Chris Westling hed better be staying

459
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm not saying it's the right move,

460
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: but like, what are we doing here while all the

461
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: other teams looking for a head coach are whining and

462
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: dining and pursuing the top options. Uh, you shouldn't be

463
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Speaker 1: pussy footing here. Make a decision Esther get off the

464
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Speaker 1: pot well, Mike Gara Folo said it's about a fifty

465
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Speaker 1: fifty chance, and I think it might be higher than

466
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Speaker 1: that because it seems like Tony Khan, a friend of

467
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Speaker 1: the show we've had him on before, seems like taking

468
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Speaker 1: on a more responsibility on the football side and making

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Speaker 1: these decisions. And maybe that's part of the hold up

470
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Speaker 1: is there's changing responsibilities there. Tony Khan allegedly is a

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Speaker 1: big fan of Doug Moron and a big fan of

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Speaker 1: David Caldwell. I would imagine David Caldwell is also safe.

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Speaker 1: Of course what role he has in the organization that

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Speaker 1: could shift, But I guess, yeah, Greg, do you do

475
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Speaker 1: you does it feel to you now that Maron is

476
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Speaker 1: gonna be back to me? It just seems like Tom

477
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Speaker 1: Coughlin ended up being the big fall guy at the

478
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Speaker 1: end of the day here. Yeah, I think that would

479
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Speaker 1: be a mistake. But I guess I'll wait to wait

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Speaker 1: to find out. Uh and other news, what do we

481
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: have a Panther's candidates who's jumping out right in that

482
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: search to replace Ron Rivertt's not Perry Fuel. I can

483
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Speaker 1: tell you that. Well, they've they've interviewed Mike McCarthy twice

484
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Speaker 1: now and supposedly that it went very well. But Matt

485
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Speaker 1: Rule is also very high on their list, according to

486
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Speaker 1: rap Sheet, who also mentioned Josh McDaniels and Eric the Enemy. Yeah,

487
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: they asked for permission for McDaniels. Rule is interesting because

488
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: I think they still have a game. And he says

489
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Speaker 1: he's going on vacation after that with his wife and

490
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Speaker 1: he's not taking any interviews until he's back from vacation.

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Speaker 1: So if playing a little hard to get and and

492
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Speaker 1: he said yeah, if he if, if it doesn't work out,

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Speaker 1: then then he's fine with that. Rule. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Bob Bates d d as my father in law, good husband, moved,

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Speaker 1: by the way, probably well, and then publicize it. So

496
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Speaker 1: you look, you look, you just look like an excellent

497
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: family man. So Bob the dds is as great. Point

498
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: is as plugged in on bailor as anyone. And he

499
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: is going to be furious of Rule leaves. Now, He's

500
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: not a man that gets furious, but he will be

501
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: very unhappy because what Rule has done there, Yes it

502
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: is not um, well, my father in law hasn't built

503
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: this bailor program, But what Rule did with Baylor after

504
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: they had their scandal. Uh, it doesn't. It doesn't touch

505
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: what happened with Bill O'Brien at Penn State. But he

506
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: quickly rebuilt Baylor back into a powerhouse. And he's young,

507
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: and he's exactly a type of hot shot college coach

508
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: that you think is going to get plucked. And he

509
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: was open it seemed to go into the Jets last

510
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: year and the Jets failed to seal the deal. Well,

511
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: they wouldn't allow him to pick his own staff, which

512
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Speaker 1: I would say, ultimately if he feels like a match

513
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Speaker 1: for the Giants, and it's it's hard to see the

514
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: Jets always get put in these situations. But if he

515
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Speaker 1: were to go to New York and completely raise the

516
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: Giants from the go of the earth, well that is

517
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: a tough look for the Jets. I simply wouldn't allow

518
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Speaker 1: to pick his own assistance. Although maybe that's a point

519
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: to why Gettleman could be a liability, you know, like

520
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: what if Matt Rule isn't isn't feeling that partnership. But

521
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: they've worked together before and know each other, So uh,

522
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: let's move on. The Dolphins make a move on bright horizons. Monday,

523
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: parting ways with two of their coaches on Ryan Flores's staff,

524
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: including their offensive coordinator uh An Irishman. Chad o'sheay out

525
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: after one season, and the first sense think is, well,

526
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Why would you do that?

527
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know he taught he turned water into

528
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Speaker 1: wine down there this year. But as we pointed out

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Speaker 1: on the Sunday Week seventeen recap show, which we heartily

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Speaker 1: endorsed and suggest you check out even though it landed

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Speaker 1: not eighteen hours ago, Um, Fitzpatrick just made a lot

532
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Speaker 1: of that magic happen on his own, and the offensive

533
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: line coach also got fired. The offensive line was a turnstile,

534
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Speaker 1: and to Fitzpatrick's credit, West he just found ways to

535
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Speaker 1: stay on his feet and make plays all year. I

536
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: think that's a good way to put it, that Fitzpatrick style.

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Speaker 1: This is a good point by me, absolutely. I think

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00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: Greg should update the standings there. That was a good point.

539
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: Ricky is in charge of this. I just she's typing furiously.

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Speaker 1: If I mean maybe my idea for this entire bit

541
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Speaker 1: that could be as a good as a good one.

542
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: That was right. I mean, anytime you can just you know,

543
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: throw and tack on more work onto our producer while

544
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: she's trying to do seven other things at the same time.

545
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: You'll undoubtedly win this contest. It fits is out there

546
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: playing sand lot ball or as our friend Patrick Claiban

547
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: would say, going John Wick on the Patriots. How much

548
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: credit does the offensive coordinator get? And I know they

549
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: had a just a brutal running attack, but they also

550
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: had Mark Walton who looked like a keeper from minute

551
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: until he ran afoul of the law again. And I

552
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: don't know if O OCEE should be blamed for that,

553
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: but there's obviously something going on behind the scenes that

554
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: Brian Flora wasn't happy. Right They've they've worked together for

555
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: a long time. They knew each other forever in New England.

556
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: So I guess is it's less about production and more

557
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: about either they already he knows who he wants to

558
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: hire that would be my guest or just Chadowha has

559
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: never had that role before, and Flora's is making the

560
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: decision that that's not even though it likes him personally,

561
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: like that's not the guy he wants. Or Belichick on

562
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: the phone and said, you fire that man now, because

563
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: we're about to lose Josh McDaniels, and I'm taking him

564
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: back onto our staff. I mean that this really goes

565
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: against your whole trojan horse thing that they went up

566
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Speaker 1: there and beat the Patriots though kind of well that's

567
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: why now it's it was a it was a thorny

568
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: phone call, not a pleasant one for all the fits

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Speaker 1: magic sizzle in Miami. Uh. They finished seven in total yards,

570
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: averaging just north of three a game. And the offensive

571
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: line coach that was let goes Dave do Googlia who

572
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: why is that name familiar that I can keeps getting fired?

573
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: He's got five by the Patriots before you know he

574
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: was He was with the Jets at one point too,

575
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 1: so he's been around. But he so SCARNECKI retired, They

576
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: brought in Googs and then canned Googs and brought Xcarneck.

577
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: Tom Googliott is still my favorite. Good He's the guy

578
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: after the guy and the guy before the guy. Yeah,

579
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: in this case, whatever, he's the guy you don't want

580
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: to be moving on the Brownies. Brownies, they are taking

581
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: a more measured approach to their head coaching search. Uh,

582
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: digging through a bunch of options. Uh. Mike McCarthy is

583
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: now connected to the team which I am on record

584
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: saying that feels like a sensible match, though everyone else

585
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: seems to hate Mike McCarthy. Josh McDaniels, connected to the Panthers, Uh,

586
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: Greg Roman is connected Towns Robert Sala. I'm gonna throw

587
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: out another one. I saw that happened on air, connected

588
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: to both teams, connected to the Browns, Jason Garrett well

589
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: connected in what sense someone put that out there's actual

590
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: information or yeah? I thought it, thought it might be

591
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: someone that I can see. I think he fits what

592
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: they now. You know, they've had every type of head

593
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: coach in the in the book, but now we want

594
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: an experienced head coach, so they're gonna go get an

595
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: experienced head coach. It's usually it's also the famous. You

596
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: want the disciplinarian, then you want the players coach, right,

597
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: disciplinarian players coach. I am, I am beyond exact. I

598
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: was never a fan. I was never a huge fan

599
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: of McCarthy. But maybe it's this pr work he's done.

600
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's as he's like into analytics and

601
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: what's the update video of my quarterback's feet and he

602
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: wants the updated offense. I just feel like the Browns

603
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: keep having total strikeouts and he would be like a

604
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: single up the middle, and so that is not bad.

605
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I feel like Mike McCarthy is one young

606
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: jeezy viral video away from being like the hottest candidate

607
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: out there. The pr campaign has worked the one thing

608
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: that like with Josh McDaniels, and I think I kind

609
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: of feel like Josh McDaniels is who they want because

610
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: they've they've wanted him before whatever. You would feel differently

611
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: about Josh McDaniels. But there are a lot of people

612
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: saying that the Browns are into the Josh McDaniels experience

613
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: and that he would want to bring the infamous Nick

614
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Kissario with him, not the pastor who's down in Houston,

615
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: but the Patriots Nikossario and John Dorsey. Sits right in

616
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: the way of that. So I think the Dorsey is

617
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: another guy that you gotta do. Whoever they bring in

618
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: has to deal with the Dorsey experience. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: it's completely muddled. All right, Let's go through some soundbites

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Speaker 1: from Exit interview Monday Monday. Now, my children's horizons, they

621
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: both sound like rehab facilities, but that's fine. They are anyway,

622
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: here's speaking of the Brown's Jarvis Landry, who didn't waste

623
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: any time sounding off on why he thought that Freddy

624
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: Kitchens wasn't the right guy. There are always times in

625
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: seasons where things happen, you know, guys get hurt, um

626
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: off the field issues. You know, a bunch of different

627
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: things happened, um, you know, in crucial points in the

628
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: game and breaking points of the game. UM, being able

629
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: to hold your composure, of being able to um, you know,

630
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: talk to each other, um, um, treat everybody in respect.

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Speaker 1: You know. I just think at times, you know, there

632
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: was a lack thereof there's just opportunities in games where

633
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, I know on the outside, on the outside

634
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: that we could have taken advantage of you know, teams

635
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, um weaknesses you know, and that and that

636
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: that we did and and um, you know, we just

637
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: didn't really um, I just didn't really know what the

638
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: plan was or what we were trying to do or

639
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Speaker 1: I don't think we ever really found our identity. Well,

640
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: that is quite a take that of the Freddy Kitchens experience.

641
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean, Mark has been on this corner for a while.

642
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: They've been taking them down on the sidelines, like you

643
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: can basically tell what's going They orchestrated, not that he

644
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: was gonna necessarily stay or not, but they essentially it

645
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: was like a coupe. How much more can you do

646
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: than telling, you know, the other teams to come get you.

647
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: Outside of Eric Mangini and you know, Joe Joe Thomas

648
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: and Andrew Hawkins told a story of the team kind

649
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: of throwing a party when Andrew when Eric Mangini was released.

650
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: But you know, honestly, that didn't happen the same way

651
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: with Hugh Jackson. There were a lot of players that

652
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: liked the man and whether or not the experience was good,

653
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: obviously it wasn't. But you you just couldn't find a

654
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: Browns player that really went to bat for Freddie Kitchens

655
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: in the past twenty four hours, which kind of flies

656
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: in the face of because I haven't heard. Baker just

657
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: sort of threw it into the you know, it's not

658
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: my decision kind of thing, which is, you know, Baker

659
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: someone that's going to go out and back someone if

660
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: he if he feels that way. And of course, as

661
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: the story goes, it was Baker that helped get Freddie

662
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: Kitchens hired. I wonder how their relationship. I mean, to

663
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: Baker's credit, sometimes he doesn't know when to shut up.

664
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: He never kind of came out and said anything that

665
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: made things even worse for Kitchens. You didn't Baker never

666
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: really spoke out. I think this will be one case

667
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: that or where as more reporting comes out in the

668
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: next week. There was another. I saw a source that

669
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: talked about that the team had never been so befuddled

670
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: by a lack of direction when it came to organized

671
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: game day management in preparation week to week, and it

672
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: showed on the field. And I think that that by

673
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: the end of the year, veterans who have been around

674
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: better coaching, we're just starting to lose it. And so

675
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: the right choice was made. I mean, we all get

676
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: that Freddie Kitchens seems like a dude you want to

677
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: go hang out with for a weekend, to go on

678
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: a road trip with, but not necessarily game plan for

679
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Two more points Landry made There was too

680
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: much on the head coach's plate. And this was a

681
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: bone of contention that we brought up a few times.

682
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: Why is Todd Monkin not getting a chance to call

683
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: the offense instead of Freddy Kitchens? And the other point

684
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: was Landry said, we relied too much on plays and

685
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: not players. So Freddie Kitchens wanted to go with his

686
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: offense instead of tailoring it towards the skills of his

687
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: The whole staff get let go last year on the market.

688
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: It's in process. But what they weren't immediately fired there

689
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: they can look for jobs, as have four thousand billion

690
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: other assistants in Cleveland. All right, um, let's move on.

691
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: John Elway. Yeah, John needed uh the second half, he

692
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: really did that. He's the general manager, the czar in Denver.

693
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: And this one's for John. I've heard this one's for John.

694
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: This one's for John, This one's for John. This songs

695
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: for John, and that one's for John. This one's for John.

696
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Also that ones for John. So not surprising.

697
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: Laugh at the end. We didn't get the Sydney version.

698
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: I always thought that's beautiful. Not a surprise, Yes, John Elway, Yes.

699
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: The Broncos finished x and two to finish seven and nine. Uh.

700
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: Drew Lock wins four of his five starts at quarterback,

701
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: and Elway was asked, Hey, with this nice start from

702
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: your rookie second round pick, does that change your approach?

703
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be looking to bring in competition for

704
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: the kid entering? And Elway was pretty strong on it. Well,

705
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean I don't see any options right now. I mean,

706
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: obviously he finished and did a heck of a job.

707
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: He won four out of five games and played well,

708
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: but got a lot of work to do. But we're

709
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: excited about where Drew is and so, um, you know,

710
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: I don't like to show our hand, but I think

711
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: it's unrealistic to say that we're going in a different direction.

712
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I think it's an upset that in this room there's

713
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: someone that is more antagonistic to John Elway than I am.

714
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: Who I mean, it's just well, I mean why I

715
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: witnessed other things happening during that. Okay, there's legit antagonism there.

716
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: I missed that. I like that. He was like, I

717
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: didn't want to show her hand, but yeah, it's definitely

718
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: Drew Lock. Why even to show your hands? Who needs

719
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: you know? Why? He can't help himself? Because who needs

720
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: who needs a w at the quarterback position more than Elway?

721
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: And if he gets a chance to take an off

722
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: season long victory lap, even if it's built on perhaps

723
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: a house of cards, as Drew Lock really shown us

724
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: that much. Always smart, he gets it. He's gonna use

725
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: this off season to show that, Yeah, maybe I'm not

726
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: so bad at this Bozos. Well, like Greg mentioned on

727
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: the last show, what you do for the last five

728
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: six weeks of the season has no more bearing on

729
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: the future than what you did for the first six

730
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: weeks of the season. I don't want Drew Luck to

731
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: be overrated. I don't want him to fail. I just

732
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: feel like the Broncos are putting too much stock in

733
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: the last six games as far as expectations for next year. Yeah,

734
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: it's it's right. I mean that it was pretty telling.

735
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I think maybe they sign a veteran backup. But it

736
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: does sound like Drew Locks the guy. Whereas, if you

737
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: compare his comments to how Anthony Lynn talked about Philip

738
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: Rivers on Monday, just he was, you know, he's very positive.

739
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you want a quarterback like that? A lot

740
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: of great qualities. But stop short and then John Gruden

741
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: especially uh stopping short of promising that Derek Carr was

742
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: gonna be his quarterback, saying, look, he improved a lot,

743
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: the stats went up, we we got better, But I'm

744
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: not going to make and he promises right now that

745
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: I think that shows the differences between those three teams

746
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: in that division, that those teams are looking for options,

747
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: probably the Chargers most aggressively, Raiders in the middle, and

748
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: the Broncos at the end. I think a Raiders option

749
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: could be Philip Rivers down the road. Oh, I like that.

750
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: I could see that. I don't know if it would work,

751
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: but I could Philip Rivers. Everyone's like, oh, John Gruden

752
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: wants a young guy. John Gruden always wanted an old guy.

753
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: That's who he always signs, Rich Gannon, you know, Jeff Garcia,

754
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Brian Greasy, like every old guy. He could find that

755
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: because that those are the guys that under stand his

756
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: offense and run it how he wants it. I could

757
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: see what could phil Rivers football van drive to the

758
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: desert and back that many times? I Philip Rivers in

759
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: Las Vegas do not feel like a match now, It's

760
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: like a minute forty five minute plane ride. Oh what

761
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: kind of works? Um and other news. Bruce Arians gave

762
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: his end of season presser and uh, he flying to

763
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: practice every day on a plane. No, but you go

764
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: home for like Friday nights and stuff. He quarterbacks have

765
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: done that. You go home Friday nights. You know, it's like, oh,

766
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: I'm the assistant coach of the soccer team here, I'm

767
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: just really breaking film. I'm sure there, I'm your QB

768
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: one here, I'm just dead. Bruce Arians is still salty

769
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: about his quarterback. He was salty as we talked about

770
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: on Sunday night. He's salty as we talk on Monday because, uh,

771
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, his quarterback is killing him. It literally could

772
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: be killing Bruce Arians. You see his face and how

773
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: read he's getting because he just can't deal with the

774
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: the swashbuckling QB who cannot stop turning the ball over

775
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: thirty interceptions. Give me a break with the swashbuckling business

776
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: to pick six to end the season. On Monday, he

777
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: was asked Bruce Arians was if someone other than Jamis

778
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: Winston who Winston? Of course, his contract set to expire

779
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: in March, someone other than Jameis Winston, Uh could handle

780
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: quarterback duties for the Bucks in with another quarterback. Oh yeah,

781
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: we can win with this one. We can win and

782
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: we can definitely win with another one too. These guys.

783
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: And he's sending he's sending a message to Jamis that

784
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: he is, he's p oed well. He was asked about

785
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: the evaluation process and his answer was, the first question

786
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: is what's behind door number two? As in, what are

787
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: my other options at quarterback? And then he disclosed that

788
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston is near sighted. He can't see the scoreboard

789
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: and he can see the guys in front of it.

790
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: That was a joke. That was a joke. It was

791
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: pretty great. I mean, it's a great Arians line. He

792
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: can't see the scoreboard, he doesn't you know, he's hurting

793
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: our team. But if he showed up at training camp

794
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: with like Rick Vaughan glasses that completely correct his vision

795
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: and he's like Steve Young crossed with Dan Marino, Well,

796
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: the reason why I took it seriously is he was

797
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: a specifically about Winston's vision issues. One of one of

798
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: our favorite Twitter follows that that boy Wolf has had

799
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: this theory forever that Jamis Winston just needs context. I

800
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: think that Bruce arians was absolutely first of all, the

801
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: the that interception might change how their offseason goes if

802
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: they were feeling good off of an overtime win. I

803
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: feel like none of they have these quotes wouldn't be happening.

804
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: But I also think he was responding because he knows

805
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: he has a contract negotiation that's probably already annoying him,

806
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: and he probably heard what Jamis Winston uh said in

807
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: his prop press conference, and he was like, responding to

808
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston on Monday, here's what Jamie said. We all know.

809
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: I guess we know what we gotta fix. There's no

810
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: reason for me to be specific. You look at my numbers.

811
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm balling. You know, I gotta stop giving the

812
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: ball to the other team. All right, it's not a

813
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: trick question. I think you're exactly right. I think there

814
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: was more to it too. He was like check the stats.

815
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: He said, like check the digits. He's something just something

816
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: like that. And I think Bruce Arians went into that

817
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: press conference ticked off about that comment and going, does

818
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: this guy really think he's well, that's the only way

819
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: you throw thirty touchdowns in thirty interceptions if you have

820
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: that attitude, you know what I mean. He's Bruce Arians

821
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: is not going to be coaching for the next seventeen years.

822
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: So it's like, do you want to go out with

823
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston or do you want to find something better?

824
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: When there are a lot of quarterbacks that he's a lot.

825
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: He's a little like Ryan Fitzpatrick, except he just was

826
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: taking number one over all. Right. Uh. And finally in

827
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: the news, Adam Gates wrapped up his regular a season

828
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: conversation with the media with a press conference. He was

829
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: asked if Levyan Bell, who's coming off really a dreadful

830
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: first season with the Jets. He never had a twenty

831
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: yard run this year? How about that average? And I

832
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: believe three point three yards for Carrie was not all

833
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: his fault, but certainly some of it is Bell just

834
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: maybe not being the guy who was with the Steelers

835
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: after that one year layoff. The Jets are are really

836
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: locked into another year with Bell money wise, unless they

837
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: decided to take a real hit or can move him

838
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: via trade. Gaze was asked if he saw or if

839
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: he wanted leaf Bell on the team in and this

840
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: is what he said. You he's under contract for three

841
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: more years. You're gonna ask Joe tomorrow? Do you want

842
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: you can ask Joe tomorrow? I'm not the personal Church

843
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: personal m alright. So a couple of things done unpack

844
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: here one. Uh. Famously, Gaye was not on board with

845
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: the signing of leve Bell. Mike mccagnen with ownership, uh

846
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: pushing forward as well, made the move, and it got

847
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: out that Gates didn't want Bell, getting them off on

848
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: the wrong foot. Gates then sits out a lot of

849
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: the voluntary work with the team after the one year layoff,

850
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: which I think led to a little more heat than

851
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: than the really bad season. Uh. So you can understand

852
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: why Gaze might not want this guy back on the team. However,

853
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: this is another example to me why Adam Gates is

854
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: just not a good fit in the New York market.

855
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. Is that he can easily

856
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: just give a a diplomatic answer here, say who wouldn't

857
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: want to have Leve Bell back? I know the numbers

858
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: didn't say it this year, but he did a lot

859
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: of good things for us and and we we hope

860
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: to work together and do something much better next season.

861
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: He could have done that, and it's not like that

862
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: none of this is being talked about, but he I

863
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: don't think he's able to do that. And I also

864
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: wonder Niche Meta, who I brought up last week, who

865
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: wrote the hit piece about Gaze only caring about money

866
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: or whatever that was last week. He was the one

867
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: where he like he kidnaps Orphans uh and throws him

868
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: in the trash on Christmas Eve. Yea, it came out

869
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve. Uh. He asked that question as well,

870
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: And I just wonder and some of the beat writers

871
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: connected dots on this too. If Gaze, because he's so

872
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: furious that Maniche would would do that to him, was

873
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 1: being short with him and gave him clipped answers and said,

874
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: go get it from somebody else, go get it from

875
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: the GM, not realizing, not being savvy enough in the

876
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: big chair to realize that you could have your issue

877
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: with Maniche. But when you answer like that, people are

878
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: gonna read it in a different way. And it's just

879
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: the type of stuff that I think he has to

880
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: learn to have any chance of Except I mean that

881
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: it's a fair question based on what Gaze has cases

882
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: come out and supported Bell throughout the season two. And

883
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, when you dig into a little bit more,

884
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: if you look at everything he said, there's been a

885
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: pretty balanced take on Levan Bell, except that I'm not

886
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: sure I really buy or believe anything at him, Gates says,

887
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: And as someone who wears like their heart on their

888
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: sleeve and sometimes can't hide their own emotions. I can

889
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: get that side of gaze, but you gotta be winning

890
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: to be treating people this way and treating the media

891
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: this way and allowing these clips to filter out and

892
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: take over Twitter for five or six hours. Well, I

893
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: know I'm not I'm not battling, but I'm saying, it's

894
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: like it's it is it is. It's super toxic way

895
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: to kick off the off. It's such an easy way

896
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: to avoid this and he has not yet learned how

897
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: to avoid these types of do we think he's gonna

898
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: learn this suddenly, But it feels like a people we've

899
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: talked about as presscarfences in Miami. More importantly, in terms

900
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: of treating people, it's it's how you're treating leviyan Bell.

901
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean lebian Bell is not it. He shouldn't be

902
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: on the team. Lebian Bell does not have it. I mean,

903
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: he had a million chances to have those those twenty

904
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: yard runs. He still has those great instincts where like

905
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: it's in his body at the exploit, it's not there.

906
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean they should move on from Lavy in Bell

907
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: that that is a separate issue. But when you're a

908
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: player on the team who's friends with Lavy and Bell

909
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: and like how he's approached things. Or if you're players

910
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: who might want to join the team, you don't want

911
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: to see your coach talking about you. Think there was

912
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: a group text chain with some of the players, like

913
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: what the hell is wrong with this guy? Absolutely there,

914
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson can't wait to get out of there. I

915
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: mean there's like that's that is a issue with you

916
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: building your team, and it's probably driving Joe Douglas nuts.

917
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: Somebody can go pay that's fine, but it's another player

918
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: that ends. But it's another player with a fracture relationship

919
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: with the coach. It's just it's a little concern. I

920
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: think he doesn't seem to be glowing calling at the

921
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: big Chair Dan, and there's only thirty two of these.

922
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: It just surprises me as much as it surprised me

923
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: that Freddie Kitchen's got a job in two thousand nineteen

924
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: for the All Shucks kind of like good old boy

925
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: persona has. You have to have communication skills, you have

926
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: to have emotional stability, you have to have public relay

927
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: sans to be an NFL head coach. And I don't

928
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: know how Adam Gates got hired the first time, much

929
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: less the second time with those issues. A lot of

930
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: people say Peyton Manning, the power of Peyton Manning is

931
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: a big thing with his career. Anyway, before we go,

932
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: we got we got an update, We got an update,

933
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: another edition of keeping up. It sounds like Bengals tight

934
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: end more read's bow wringer. He's staying in Cincinnati. He

935
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: signed a reserve future contract with the Bengals on Monday.

936
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: He spent the second consecutive season on the team's practice

937
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: squad in the set to remain there for yet another season.

938
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: The German born, German born tight end um still looking

939
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: to make his NFL debut since being drafted in the

940
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: sixth round by the Minneso the Vikings in the twenty

941
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: sixteen draft. Okay, if you're gonna go sixteen weeks only

942
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: using fifty two your fifty three roster spots because you're

943
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: carrying a j Green, the least thing you can do

944
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: for Maritz is give up one of your you know,

945
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: reserve contracts slots for the It's gonna he's gonna he's

946
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna write a beautiful ending to this story that loves

947
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: all the skeptics in this room. Wrong Mobile Nation was

948
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: really excited about this news. I saw the mobile lies

949
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: onto an actual I saw our friend right saw our friend,

950
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: Henry Hodson driving into work, and he immediately stopped. He

951
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: took out his phone. He showed me the news update

952
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: and the excitement in his face. Mobio carries a lot

953
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: of hopes and dreams, um not just in this country,

954
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: but especially in Germany. Well, Henry approved the Henry gets

955
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: a seven point five percent cut of any money that

956
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: mobile makes on the said practice squad and Roger Goodell's job.

957
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: He's locked on the squad. He can't even be activated

958
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: to the for a whole other year. No, no, no, no,

959
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: it's future contract. Is just basically, you're signing squad this year.

960
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: He was. He was stuck on the because Henry is

961
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: taking no no, I wish the best contract, like basically

962
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: all the players that are invited to training camp and

963
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: is on. He's on the ninety man roster and then

964
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: they'll decide what I remember when Dion Lewis was playing

965
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: really well for the Patriots, they signed him by way

966
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: ever reserve future contract. It's just a way of adding practice.

967
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: One guy. I wish him just simply the best. And

968
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: that was another addition of keeping up with one of

969
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: the best additions. I thought it was mobile eyes ten

970
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: pole moment for him. I gotta get going around. The

971
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: NFL show reminder Friday, six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific

972
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: on NFL Network. They actually gave us a show. They

973
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: did not want to do this, but we just through

974
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: the sheer power. And this is there's some unsolicited advice.

975
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: We get this a lot, actually, people, How do you

976
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: make it in the business? How do you how do

977
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: you build a career in sports? I will tell you

978
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: one of the secrets, and I'm not even joking, and

979
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: it carries on not just in sports, but in any

980
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: realm or profession you choose. Just stay in the picture. Yep,

981
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: it's good, Crank. Stay in the picture, and opportunities will

982
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: find you. Don't leave. Don't leave, don't say oh well,

983
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: amount of time, because if you just stick around long enough,

984
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: one day, they'll be executives walking around the building and

985
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: they're like, wait, we need to fill that three o'clock slot.

986
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: Is anyone around? And there we are. We were just

987
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: sitting there that day. They tapped this on the Shoulder's

988
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: exactly how would played out a guy shopping a giant

989
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: cigar like a five pound man those guys around here

990
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you whip a snap us. You got

991
00:53:54,560 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: your own show six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific on

992
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: the NFL Show. Also, yes, are Miami Improv Live show

993
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: super Bowl week That's gonna be fun. The Thursday before

994
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl we'll have that live show. So check

995
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: it out on Miami Improv dot com, slash events and

996
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: get tickets and join us. It will be a lot

997
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: of fun. We'll be back on Thursday with our wild

998
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: Card weekend preview of four big games. Don't forget the

999
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: big reveal at the end of this show. Yeah, I

1000
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: have a less time for Erica tam Possey. No that

1001
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: we don't need a list. No, yeah, I have a

1002
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: list of like the nominees. It's like the list of

1003
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: The best point in the podcast is Greg letting me

1004
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: pick the best point of the podcast. I also thought

1005
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: the best point was me asking Mark about McDaniels to

1006
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: the Browns. Um. I also had a place at the time,

1007
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: but now I realized you just wanted to get a

1008
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: point that you could put on the list of points. Um.

1009
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: But then I have two little sub things. That's Greg

1010
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: pointing out that Dan call to the NFL Network historian,

1011
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: which was like a way to brag by putting it

1012
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: on Dan, And then Dan brought it back and was like, oh,

1013
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: remember I was on the record for McCarthy, Like you

1014
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of like did that? Did it bad? West said

1015
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: something about Nero. I wrote that down literally, something about Nero. Um,

1016
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: someone said something about Fitzpatrick's style. I mean, not points

1017
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: that we've made in the show. No, no, there, Okay.

1018
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: So also on the best point in the podcast is

1019
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: when I thought to myself that since Cliff Kingsbury did

1020
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: like a pretty decent job as a head coach, that

1021
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: maybe that persuaded the league to like look more into

1022
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: college coaches, because we've been looking into more college coaches

1023
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: than ever before. On this you said that. No, I

1024
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: thought to myself as if this segment could have ended

1025
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: any other way, right, But it was a smart move

1026
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: wait by her to guarantee we never do the segment again.

1027
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a recurrent thing. And the winner, the

1028
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: winner of the winner of the best point of the

1029
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: podcast was Greg's throat noise. Okay, can we hear that? There?

1030
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: It is I'll never forget it. It's been a long

1031
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: is that he You knew it was bad when he

1032
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: started deflecting, He's like, what about what's the jacket and

1033
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: send a microphone. I'm talking my jacket in they were

1034
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: making fish noise. I was trying to get your attention.

1035
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: Got the creature of the black lagoon in the studio.

1036
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, there's a lot of ambient noise in

1037
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: this studio. It's like it came from your throat. Poor Greg.

1038
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: We've all done it, but with these mics and these

1039
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: and these cans, it was picked up. It was it

1040
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: was aggressive. I don't even remember it. You have to

1041
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: go see a doctor immediately. I blacked out. If I ever,

1042
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: it would be painful. Let's go. We gotta get out

1043
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: of here. Please another New Horizon our first group trip

1044
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Dan Hans is signing off for Quiet

1045
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: Storm and go home. A mailman, the old Boss Whatt

1046
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: of Collywood behind the glass heill Thursday m