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Speaker 1: make plans for that, boys. Today I want to get
Speaker 1: into best case scenario for fifty eight and ninety. People
Speaker 1: are asking me about two players guys you would like
Speaker 1: to have at fifty eight. What is your ideal when
Speaker 1: you walk out a day too, assuming that after what
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones said to us yesterday, there
Speaker 1: will not be any trading up into the first round
Speaker 1: of this draft. Now again, you know Jerry is one
Speaker 1: of those guys that he hates to sit there without
Speaker 1: a first round pick, and but maybe they see some
Speaker 1: value they would go up and get a guy. But
Speaker 1: I want to go through with you, guys, your two
Speaker 1: ideal players at fifty eight and ninety after that first
Speaker 1: after excuse me, the Friday afternoon to our nighttime drafting
Speaker 1: there and David Hellman, I will start with you on
Speaker 1: this one, Okay, I want you to tell me your
Speaker 1: ideal players for those two spots. All right, Oh give
Speaker 1: me a reason why. Well, I want to walk you
Speaker 1: through my thought process. I told you upstairs I was
Speaker 1: going to cheat a little bit. I wrote. I wrote
Speaker 1: a couple of names just kind of get get the thought.
Speaker 1: Juice is flowing yere. But I'm looking I'm looking at
Speaker 1: this board a lot. You know, you're picking fifty eight,
Speaker 1: You're like seven spots from the end of the second round.
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that a lot of the guys I
Speaker 1: really love are going to be there, and so I'm
Speaker 1: looking for was I'm I'm looking to mitigate that. I guess.
Speaker 1: So the two names, you know, we can throw out
Speaker 1: Jonathan Abram, we can throw out Taylor rap. I don't
Speaker 1: really believe at the end of the day, they're going
Speaker 1: to be there. So I look at that, I look
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle. We talked about this upstairs too. I'm
Speaker 1: just not convinced the values there in that range. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced there's a guy there that I'm in
Speaker 1: love with at defensive tackle. Can I ask a question
Speaker 1: real quick? Yeah, better value at defensive tackle, Dane or
Speaker 1: running back at fifty eight At that point in time,
Speaker 1: running back, We're still going there. You're still going there.
Speaker 1: Still just want to just want to I just want
Speaker 1: to know is there is is a player going to
Speaker 1: be there? That is the classic question of are you
Speaker 1: drafting a defensive tackle just to say you did it
Speaker 1: because you need one? Or the better player? In my opinion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think specifically a three technique running back
Speaker 1: would be I think you're getting the better player, yeah,
Speaker 1: But value wise, I don't like the value. Okay, put
Speaker 1: it that way, Okay, David. Anyway, So with all of
Speaker 1: that in mind, I'm not in love with most of
Speaker 1: my options here. But I think there's two names that
Speaker 1: I think have a chance to be there or close
Speaker 1: in range. Juan Thornhill Dane's guy in his most recent mock,
Speaker 1: the Virginia safety and Chauncey Gardner Johnson they Florida safety.
Speaker 1: The reason I picked them out. I think it's more
Speaker 1: realistic that they fall that far or at least into
Speaker 1: a range where you could do a reasonable trade. But
Speaker 1: I think it's possible one of them is there. They
Speaker 1: can both play safety. To your point, Brian and Steven
Speaker 1: Jones said it yesterday, you're looking for a plug and
Speaker 1: play starter at fifty eight. Can't guarantee it'll happen. They're
Speaker 1: potentially good enough to plug and play. And even if
Speaker 1: they're not, they both have nickel experience. They're both flexible.
Speaker 1: They can kind of be that utility man or in
Speaker 1: their career they can play some nickel. They can play,
Speaker 1: you know, three third safety in a dime package, maybe
Speaker 1: like a rover back type of guy, kind of like
Speaker 1: Byron Jones when he first got here. They could be
Speaker 1: that guy until they transition into a starting role, hopefully
Speaker 1: in year two. So I feel good about both of those.
Speaker 1: If that isn't possible, I look at that as a
Speaker 1: wipeout scenario. I don't want to draft a running back.
Speaker 1: You guys know, my guy Deebo Samuel. Okay, I would
Speaker 1: pull the trigger on Debo in a heartbeat if a
Speaker 1: safety wasn't available. Okay, it's just me. As we look
Speaker 1: at David Hellman's names of Chauncey Gardner Johnson, and then
Speaker 1: we also look at his name of Juan Thornhill on
Speaker 1: Dame Brugler's board, He's got Gardner Johnson at one hundred
Speaker 1: top one, number forty eight if I'm right about that,
Speaker 1: and then he's got Juan Thornhill at forty nine. So
Speaker 1: they're right back to back right there. Talk about that
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, And I think Gardner Johnson, I think,
Speaker 1: depending on the fit, Gardner Johnson, I love is a
Speaker 1: nickel um. Now he has experienced as a free has
Speaker 1: experience as but I thought what he did best was
Speaker 1: the nickel, and so for this team, I still think
Speaker 1: he'd be fine as kind of a box player. But
Speaker 1: I hope they'd be a little open minded with him
Speaker 1: if they used him as a nickel as you know,
Speaker 1: just get a little creative and not just stick him in,
Speaker 1: you know, that one box of what he's doing. Thornhill,
Speaker 1: I think he's better as a free but I think
Speaker 1: he's interchangeable because I mean he led Virginia and tackles
Speaker 1: last ye also let him an interception, So I think
Speaker 1: he could do a little bit of everything, and I
Speaker 1: would agree. I think best case scenario at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: it's probably weren't one Thornhill. And ideally for me, if
Speaker 1: I'm the Cowboys, I'm going all defense on day two.
Speaker 1: I'm looking and my second and third round picks. I'm
Speaker 1: looking to come out with a defensive lineman and a
Speaker 1: defensive back. That's ideal for me. And here in the
Speaker 1: second round, are you going? Are you just? How? Are
Speaker 1: you right? Right? Any complication? Okay, Let's say that Garter
Speaker 1: Johnson and one Thornhill are off the board. Um, let's
Speaker 1: say that, and I would be okay with Darnold Savage there.
Speaker 1: Darnold Savage is actually number fifty eight overall on my
Speaker 1: top one Okay, so he's closer to potentially being where
Speaker 1: you're picking then, right, right, But let's say LJ. Collier's there,
Speaker 1: TCU defensive end. Okay, David, you know this team pretty well, though.
Speaker 1: Defensive end something they're thinking about or is that something
Speaker 1: where that that Dane's trying to get the best player
Speaker 1: and it's funny because defensive end might not be super
Speaker 1: high on their priority Listen of they resigned to Marcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: but we know they love LJ. Collier absolutely is a
Speaker 1: guy that they've talked to. He didn't give you a
Speaker 1: good name there. They just worked out Max Crosby the
Speaker 1: other day. You can and you can talk your I
Speaker 1: mean you can talk yourself into that very easily. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't you talk yourself into that. If you're thinking
Speaker 1: about moving Crawford back inside to defensive tackle, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely you could and you could bolster you know,
Speaker 1: you could address the fact that you don't have a
Speaker 1: tackle by or you're thinking about only having Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: for one year here too? Well, let I mean and
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford, who knows what his favor But what did
Speaker 1: I say? Who did I say? You said Robert Quinn? No? No,
Speaker 1: But I meant you no. You said to everybody he's saying,
Speaker 1: okay after this year. You just don't know. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you would think about moving it back inside,
Speaker 1: you would think about draft and call your fifty eight right,
Speaker 1: And you can't force it, you know, like if the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle's not there. You know, is fifty eight too
Speaker 1: early for Tristan Hill. See, this is where it would
Speaker 1: have to draft him at fifty eighth. This is where
Speaker 1: and when we get into our top one. And by
Speaker 1: the way, in the in the last segment, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do twitter on the twenty be the last segment. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go through this board Danes one hundred and my
Speaker 1: one hundred because there's some there's some discrepancies there, you know,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate and I appreciate that you No, No,
Speaker 1: that makes it fun. No, No, it makes it fun
Speaker 1: because there's guys he has higher than me, and then
Speaker 1: it's vice versa. Really there, But okay, if you think
Speaker 1: about Hill, if you think about Hill, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: to get it, I'm looking at the where the numbers,
Speaker 1: and I'm a little bit higher on Hill than you are,
Speaker 1: I think, I think on the numbers wise, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken right there, whereas I haven't been seventy, I've
Speaker 1: had seventy four and you haven't at ninety. So you're
Speaker 1: thinking more about him as a true third round player, yes,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about him as a third round player,
Speaker 1: but a higher up the board third round player. Okay,
Speaker 1: is that too rich thin? At fifty eight? You just
Speaker 1: said it. I think. I mean it's you got to
Speaker 1: go there, don't you. I mean, is that I don't
Speaker 1: have to do it. You don't have to go there.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what I was talking about. If an LJ.
Speaker 1: Collier and a Tristan Hill are there, right, sure you
Speaker 1: could go with the more the true three technique, or
Speaker 1: you can go with a better player. Yeah, at a
Speaker 1: position that's still I don't. I don't. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's your rallying cry from the day I met you
Speaker 1: is don't window dress your board. Don't window dress your board.
Speaker 1: I would rather draft like a badass receiver at fifty
Speaker 1: eight than force a defensive tackle just because I feel
Speaker 1: like I need one. Yeah, shows me, Okay, let me.
Speaker 1: It's something real quick of the receiver or the running back.
Speaker 1: Which way you go in there? Me? Yeah? Receiver, yeah,
Speaker 1: no question, running backs not even an option, not an
Speaker 1: option for you, okay, for you, for me, not for
Speaker 1: the people that are actually gonna make the phone call. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's true. Okay, So we we we feel like though
Speaker 1: that that are we calling that rich are we calling
Speaker 1: that we calling a Hill pick at fifty eight too rich,
Speaker 1: or were calling it at a necessity a necessity because
Speaker 1: we want a defensive tackle other than maybe the defensive ent.
Speaker 1: I think that would be too rich. But like would
Speaker 1: it be so rich that you're just gonna piss and
Speaker 1: moan about it, you know, right? I mean he's got
Speaker 1: it in the third we both have in the third round.
Speaker 1: It's just I have him a little higher to where
Speaker 1: talents could pick it. So that's a that's a fifteen
Speaker 1: spot overdraft for you and more like a thirty spot
Speaker 1: overdraft for you. We have we have to remember that,
Speaker 1: like on for our purposes, we're every player in this
Speaker 1: draft is kind of eligible for our board. Like sure,
Speaker 1: we don't discount any player, no question. Cowboys they have
Speaker 1: how many players they go on their total board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know there's even though Tristan Hill would be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a reach for us to take
Speaker 1: a fifty eight for the Cowboys, he might be one
Speaker 1: of their five best players there, that's no question. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So because because just because I have him at seventy
Speaker 1: four and you have him at ninety, doesn't mean they
Speaker 1: don't have him at twenty one. Right. But even if
Speaker 1: I'm just remember they only have you know, we could
Speaker 1: make a board that's our top four hundred where they
Speaker 1: only have a board that's say, by the way, yeah,
Speaker 1: they only have a top one fifty board, and a
Speaker 1: lot of that one fifty is Day three players. So
Speaker 1: there's Tristan Hill could be you know, a third round
Speaker 1: pick for them, but he might be picked or you know,
Speaker 1: on their board, he might be the sixtieth bestive player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing that like not our listeners, but
Speaker 1: like elementary draft fans, you know, they look at the
Speaker 1: whole pool of players, whereas these teams like seventy five
Speaker 1: percent of these guys are crossed off for one reason
Speaker 1: or no, it could be medicals that I'm here, I'm
Speaker 1: hearing stuff about Errol Willis. Oh yeah, Errol Willis. It's
Speaker 1: that you bring up the name Willis here. They kind
Speaker 1: of look at you, like, don't talk about Gerald Willis here? Well,
Speaker 1: which is that's that's the Miami defensive tackle and and
Speaker 1: that's a guy that we kind of been talking about
Speaker 1: as a potential guy. We try to connect the dots.
Speaker 1: They bring them in on a thirty visit and so
Speaker 1: you circle the name because they're interested in it. But
Speaker 1: the reason you bring guys in on a thirty visit
Speaker 1: is you want to learn more about him and they
Speaker 1: about you. Don't always come away impressed. That probably applies
Speaker 1: to three or four other guys. Oh yeah, and with
Speaker 1: Gerald Willis, you give him credit for kind of turning
Speaker 1: things around and having the senior year that he did,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean you just ignore the background, all
Speaker 1: the baggage that come with both injury wise, character wise,
Speaker 1: maturity wise, and on the field. He's not a complete player.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a gap quickness type of guy,
Speaker 1: but it has a lot of holes versus the run.
Speaker 1: No question, you're ninety guy best case at nine. Again,
Speaker 1: like you know, y'all know more than me. I'm not
Speaker 1: in love with my options and defensive tackle, especially if
Speaker 1: Gerald Willis is a guy that we're not considering, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think Tristan Hill's there at ninety.
Speaker 1: I wrote down Renell Wren, but like just kind of
Speaker 1: because like I don't love that. So for me, the
Speaker 1: two names that I came away with, and I looked
Speaker 1: at both of y'all's big boards to kind of gauge.
Speaker 1: I came away with Isaiah Johnson because he's a corner
Speaker 1: that fits what Chris Richard would want. Sure went down
Speaker 1: there and worked him out. And if not Isaiah Johnson,
Speaker 1: then I've talked myself into tray ViOn Williams. There you go.
Speaker 1: That's where I go. It's funny because I don't, uh,
Speaker 1: it might mock draft. Isaiah Johnson wasn't in a round
Speaker 1: for fifty eight. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's hard to
Speaker 1: player like that is you know, all traits and so
Speaker 1: he could be get easily over picked. Um, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: feel real dumb when he goes thirty fifth over. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're just trying to put the players where they have
Speaker 1: a chance. Those guys that are have the length, the
Speaker 1: size and the speed. There's several of in theistry. Isaiah Johnson,
Speaker 1: Lonnie Johnson's gonna go I have a fourth round, great
Speaker 1: on Lonnie Johnson, and there's a chance he goes in
Speaker 1: the top forty picks. Yeah, so yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna go early. For me, I would
Speaker 1: go n there. I actually have Renell Wren slightly over
Speaker 1: trust and Hill. I've got him really really close but
Speaker 1: I've Renell Wren slightly over him. I think that would
Speaker 1: be a realistic pick at ninety. And if they go
Speaker 1: defensive back in fifty eight, then I think we're looking
Speaker 1: at Renell Wren is the best scenario at pick ninety.
Speaker 1: Doesn't that just seem too tidy to you? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they want, sure, but when you're picking at
Speaker 1: the back end of the round, are you going to
Speaker 1: get what you want twice in a row? Probably not
Speaker 1: be you asked ideal? Right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, you want
Speaker 1: it to be ideal. So I think that's ideally, that's
Speaker 1: what you like to come away with. I'd love to
Speaker 1: come away with again, a defensive back, a defensive lineman,
Speaker 1: and that defensive lineman could be an edge guy, could
Speaker 1: be a tackle. I mean, I'm getting better up front.
Speaker 1: That's what I want. And again, whoever they draft at
Speaker 1: fifty eight or ninety is not going to be the
Speaker 1: difference between this team making the Super Bowl or not.
Speaker 1: But you still you want a good player that you're
Speaker 1: gonna add the rotation and it's going to have an
Speaker 1: impact for you in year one. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think we could do that with Ronelle Wren not going
Speaker 1: to be a guy that's going to to save the season.
Speaker 1: But if Meleek Collins doesn't come back. No, that's true. Okay,
Speaker 1: think about That's why all this three technique talk is
Speaker 1: happening right now, right I want to draft one. I
Speaker 1: just you look at the you look at the options
Speaker 1: and what you think is realistic for that range, and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it falls for me.
Speaker 1: It's really not a great three technique group after the
Speaker 1: first round. Um, I mean you could look into like
Speaker 1: the fourth round or early day three with guys like Kingsley,
Speaker 1: Kiki and uh. I mean you mentioned Willis isn't really
Speaker 1: a strong option for this team, but it's it's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, we both like the Cincinnati kid. But you
Speaker 1: know we're talking about late, you know, day three somewhere. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, not guys that you're thinking about in the
Speaker 1: top one hundred. Okay, give me your two guys. I
Speaker 1: know we've kind of had discussion. Yeah, I think it's ideally, uh,
Speaker 1: probably one Thorn Hill and then you know, the better
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill is probably not there, so probably Renell ren Um.
Speaker 1: That would probably be ideal for me, even though I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be upset if they again went pass Rusher, if
Speaker 1: if Max Crosby, Mart Crosby, Yeah, if you were there
Speaker 1: at ninety, I think that would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: That's asking a lot, though, isn't it, though? Max Crosby
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, I know, watching him play, I
Speaker 1: had him a lot higher. You've got him. I've got
Speaker 1: a sixty one and you've got him at seventy seven. Yea,
Speaker 1: So I mean there's yeah, there's a big difference there.
Speaker 1: I think you'd be comfortable with. Yeah. I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: if you know, if you if I got I got
Speaker 1: a Callier at fifty two, and then Max and then
Speaker 1: Max Crosby at sixty one, So you know, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of thinking in that range of those two guys. I
Speaker 1: sure I would take Callier first, but I liked Max
Speaker 1: Crosby watching him play. Yeah, I thought there was a
Speaker 1: lot of positivity about him. I would love to see
Speaker 1: the reaction from non draft Nicks if their first pick
Speaker 1: is a defensive end from Eastern Michigan. Not saying there's
Speaker 1: anything wrong with that. I know how people are, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't It would not be well received by people
Speaker 1: who weren't at ucated yeah. No. And Max Crosby as
Speaker 1: as a player who probably needs a year in an
Speaker 1: NFL strength the conditioning program. You know that was a
Speaker 1: big reason why he left early because he was a junior.
Speaker 1: Left early. Sure, he kind of felt like he did
Speaker 1: all he could do at Eastern Michigan. You know, like
Speaker 1: he program really wasn't advancing his career as a football player.
Speaker 1: So you know, he'd probably have a year in there
Speaker 1: and get going exactly, he probably needs a year at
Speaker 1: an NFL strength the conditioning program, the bulk up, and
Speaker 1: you know, because he kind of he's he flails, you know,
Speaker 1: he's all arms and legs when he's rushing. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot to like there. But better pass rusher than
Speaker 1: Tacoh gosh, no pass rush potential, sure yeah no no,
Speaker 1: But did you feel like, Okay, what did you feel
Speaker 1: like with Taco? You talk about we with development stuff.
Speaker 1: What was the one thing we kept saying about Taco
Speaker 1: needs to develop pass rush moves. This guy actually has
Speaker 1: pass rush moves. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. How's
Speaker 1: his spend move? Oh, he'll step. This guy will find
Speaker 1: ways to get free. His inside move is probably one
Speaker 1: of the better things that he did that he's slippery.
Speaker 1: It's a slippery player. You're doing a great job of
Speaker 1: not telling us your guys. No, no, no, I am,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you that my running up on
Speaker 1: the break. No no, I'm I could go over time
Speaker 1: here show do what I want. Okay, I'm You know,
Speaker 1: when I think I'm buying what Dane Brugler is saying
Speaker 1: about Rap, I think I think that there's a way
Speaker 1: that Rap gets to you at fifty eight. That would
Speaker 1: be fantastic. I am. Now, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: out there that love and talking to scouts, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that don't like the time, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people think he's a really safe player to take.
Speaker 1: And that's why I just can't. Okay that to me,
Speaker 1: that's my best case. Give me the tape, the best
Speaker 1: the best case scenario would be Rap at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: and I will take I will take that Trayvion Williams
Speaker 1: at ninety. Yeah, will I will hit that running back
Speaker 1: at nine. I will absolutely do that. I know, like
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm betraying you because like we I know,
Speaker 1: but he's just he's an all around guy, like you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: he can step right in if he needed to and
Speaker 1: be if great. If I can't hit Rap at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll go with Hill, I'll take the def
Speaker 1: and to tackle it. I'll take him at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm just gonna bank that he'll be
Speaker 1: part of the rotation. You know, he's got power to him.
Speaker 1: I love the way he plays behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: But why not. It's gonna be probably an early It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of a reach for me,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of a reach there at
Speaker 1: fifty eight. But you know what, if I can't get him,
Speaker 1: the best defensive tackle available I think at that time
Speaker 1: is him. And I know what you're saying about n
Speaker 1: Wren looks to me just a little too raw. He
Speaker 1: is just a little too raw to make it fifty eight.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you one thing. At ninety I am
Speaker 1: looking at that A and m running back in the eyes.
Speaker 1: Which and part of the reason that I've talked myself
Speaker 1: into this is the same thing we always say, is
Speaker 1: like it's basically a fourth round pick. Anyway, Like if
Speaker 1: he were to fall that far, I just think that's
Speaker 1: great value for a guy that gives Zeke's unavailable for
Speaker 1: however many games, I'm sure a okay with him just
Speaker 1: being my workhorse running back. Would anybody take a corner
Speaker 1: at fifty eight? Uh? Yeah, I think it's depending on
Speaker 1: the value deband on who's there. I would run to
Speaker 1: the podium to draft Justin Lane at fifty eight. I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's feasible. No, I don't either. Justin
Speaker 1: Lane to me's a top forty player. Yeah, um, Joe
Speaker 1: one Williams. See, that's what I'm saying. And I am
Speaker 1: not gonna let him go. No, no, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let Joe one Williams go. And I was, and I
Speaker 1: was leading the witness there is what I was doing.
Speaker 1: And I absolutely was. All the lawyers that watches, thank
Speaker 1: you very much for mighty. I know you're you're you're
Speaker 1: watching with us. I was leading the witness there because
Speaker 1: at fifty eight I am looking at him too. If
Speaker 1: I feel like that I cannot get my defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: my safety, I will take that big corner. Isaiah Johnson too,
Speaker 1: Isaiah Johnson. This team likes Isaiah Johnson. Yeah, okay, there
Speaker 1: you go, there you go, there you go. So if
Speaker 1: you think that's a that is they're gonna go to trade. Yeah, no, nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody should be surprised if the cornerback is taken. No, again,
Speaker 1: I think ideal you're going defensive back, a defensive line, second,
Speaker 1: third round, any order. And again I didn't say safety
Speaker 1: as a defensive back. So cornerback is definitely in play there.
Speaker 1: What are people saying that? There are people talking about though?
Speaker 1: Are Virginia's safety though? Is possibly being a Byron Jones
Speaker 1: type player? Can you think he could play some corner
Speaker 1: in this league? He played to his earlier in his career.
Speaker 1: He played that maybe these people would start him at
Speaker 1: corner before they would start him at safety. Yeah, possible.
Speaker 1: How he just sucks some win through his teeth on
Speaker 1: that one. I feel like we've we've talked about that.
Speaker 1: What I want to when maybe this is dumb, I apologize.
Speaker 1: Could any of those corners play safety? He might not
Speaker 1: have the right frame for it. Yeah, I mean Isaiah Johnson.
Speaker 1: The one thing, like the biggest worry with him is
Speaker 1: he's a terrible tackler. Yeah, it's always fun. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's out. Um, I mean some of these corners
Speaker 1: the size. You know, Well, we talked about Gardner Johnson though, well,
Speaker 1: I think yeah, and he's he's kind of mean. He's
Speaker 1: comfortable playing in the slot, right, he's that blended. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he shouldn't be a safety, shouldn't be a corner.
Speaker 1: He's a dB. He falls under that classification. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know none of these safeties or corners. I really
Speaker 1: love making that transition, at least talking about the top
Speaker 1: one hundred guys. If if I was gonna give you're
Speaker 1: back at ninety, give me your ninety back, you're ninety.
Speaker 1: What running back would you take at ninety? Am I
Speaker 1: right about Williams? Or am I? No? I think that's
Speaker 1: I have a late third, early fourth on Williams. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's right where I was so comfortable taking. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't love it, but I'd be much more
Speaker 1: comfortable with a running back at ninety than I would
Speaker 1: fifty eight. Okay, we got understand it. We got that,
Speaker 1: and if it happens at fifty eight, you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: your mind. Yes, we were gonna do worst case too,
Speaker 1: but it kind of got away from us. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: we we're okay real quick and Ken I'm sorry, give me,
Speaker 1: give me your worst case. What do you got a
Speaker 1: running back? Name them? Don't care running back Harris, David
Speaker 1: Harris Henderson, Yeah, third round. I don't like the Georgia
Speaker 1: kid me Coole Hardman, Okay, don't and Dawson Knox either, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't you hate old miss, We know that. And
Speaker 1: I hate super raw prospects who aren't going to get
Speaker 1: playing time is what I hate. But we talked about Wren.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't want to draft them either. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got a couple. I mean I think maybe, like
Speaker 1: some of the players were talking about running back, you're
Speaker 1: not going to like Damian Harris. It's a round. But
Speaker 1: some of these players were talking about ninety them reaching
Speaker 1: for him at fifty eight, like a Renel Ranto for sure. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know if they feel like they won't, you won't
Speaker 1: get there at ninety. Taking one of those guys at
Speaker 1: fifty eight, Uh, that would be to me the worst case.
Speaker 1: And then I don't know ninety uh probably, I mean
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, just reaching on maybe one of
Speaker 1: these tight ends, like you know, I like Uh, I
Speaker 1: like Cayton Smith, I like Drew Sample, But I don't
Speaker 1: know ninety, and that'd be kind of Richie. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of with Dane on this. If you took a wide
Speaker 1: receiver at fifty eight, I'd lose my mind, even if
Speaker 1: it was debug. I think they I think they've got
Speaker 1: a good group of receivers here now they do. It'd
Speaker 1: be like that you're using your first and second round Bick.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's as contract, if he's adverse to
Speaker 1: drafting or running back at fifty eight, I'm adverse to
Speaker 1: drafting and running back until until they got Cobb. And
Speaker 1: I know it's a year and all that, it's a year.
Speaker 1: It's a bridge. Get me. They're stacked in there like
Speaker 1: club sandwiches right now. It's a bridge. You have to
Speaker 1: draft a guy I'm not taking. I am not I
Speaker 1: took I took a wide receiver twenty seven, one of
Speaker 1: the best in the league. That's what I've done. And
Speaker 1: I and he's right about those tight ends. Did you
Speaker 1: get the wrong tight end at ninety That could be
Speaker 1: a problem. So none of these receivers, if somehow they
Speaker 1: would fall to fifty eight, you'd become I don't have
Speaker 1: a first round receiver, I know, but like none of
Speaker 1: them early in the second round for you, you'd feel
Speaker 1: comfortable with, you know, if, like I say it, somehow
Speaker 1: I got Mad Cafe at twenty seven. He's my first
Speaker 1: player in the second round. He's at twenty seven for
Speaker 1: me too. Why why don't you want a ready made
Speaker 1: inside outside receivers like Harmon? Okay, Harmon I have at
Speaker 1: thirty one, you get it fifty one, you know, really
Speaker 1: it would be great radio if they drafted Debo. Please
Speaker 1: the disparity of reaction. I love the player, Please don't fantastic,
Speaker 1: Please don't okay, ken, I'm sorry about that. Thank you
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Speaker 1: City FC. Yes, all right, shoot me, we just we
Speaker 1: just sat here and talked about Trevion Williams for a second.
Speaker 1: But how about this a guy, a guy that Cowboys
Speaker 1: have shown interest in that we really haven't been talking about. Uh.
Speaker 1: Secret agent wants to know more about Mike Webber, the
Speaker 1: Ohio State guy. I mean, we've visit, we've talked about him,
Speaker 1: but we probably haven't talked about him as much as
Speaker 1: we should have for a guy that visited. And don't
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but Damien m Harris and
Speaker 1: Weber were the only two running backs have visited, right Henderson, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: the other Memphis kid. Um yeah yeah, Troy Pauler, yeah,
Speaker 1: um with Webber. Honestly, I think he's a kind of
Speaker 1: a dime a dozen back. You've said that before. I
Speaker 1: did not. I did not see greatness with him. No.
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's you're drafting him in the fourth
Speaker 1: or fifth round, right exactly context. You know, it's he's
Speaker 1: a guy that you he can do everything, okay, just
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything great. You know. I think he can
Speaker 1: catch up all at the backfield, but he's a smaller
Speaker 1: framed player, so it's a smaller target. Right. He can
Speaker 1: block a little bit, but he's not going to be overpowering.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of just a speed bump that
Speaker 1: pass rushers don't have to go through. And then as
Speaker 1: a runner, he's okay, but he's not going to consistently
Speaker 1: make you miss. He's the number one on my book, right,
Speaker 1: and he'll I mean he's got toughness, but not to
Speaker 1: the point where he's just going to plow through, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, defenders at the second level. So again, I
Speaker 1: like him, I just you know, he's not someone I'm
Speaker 1: really going to be targeting. He gets what's blocked, whatever
Speaker 1: is blocked in front of him, He's gonna get that.
Speaker 1: He's a pretty damn good offensive line. Travis Frederick's supposed
Speaker 1: to be back, no question anything for you. But he No,
Speaker 1: he's right though. I think there's more dynamic backs in
Speaker 1: this draft than this guy right here. All right, Dan,
Speaker 1: you're the you hate running backs? Would you rather draft
Speaker 1: Weeber at one thirty six or trey ViOn Williams at
Speaker 1: ninety Williams at ninety? All right? Just getting better. We're
Speaker 1: all on the same page. Leading the witness there a
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh okay, Maps says, I'm paraphrasing here, but
Speaker 1: he where Draymont Jones speaking of Ohio State players. I've
Speaker 1: seen him on y'all's board, Like, where's where's he fallen?
Speaker 1: Probably not a guy that's in play at fifty eight, right,
Speaker 1: Probably not. He's a he's a three technique though, he's
Speaker 1: if he's around. If he's around, then I'm intrigued. But
Speaker 1: based on what I know, I don't expect that to
Speaker 1: happen there. The opinions on him are all over the place.
Speaker 1: Talk to some people, um, you know, some guys around
Speaker 1: the league, and they love him. Some guys want nothing
Speaker 1: to do with them. Like it's really perplexing how there's
Speaker 1: so many different opinions on Raymond Jones. But I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, you know, we talked about Taylor
Speaker 1: Rap and that four seven eight forty yard dash is
Speaker 1: gonna bother a lot of a lot of teams, but
Speaker 1: there's gonna be at least one team that's gonna pull
Speaker 1: the trigger in the top fifty and Draymond Jones. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of teams that are concerned about
Speaker 1: his ability to stop the run, his uh, you know,
Speaker 1: tendency to pop up off the snap and immediately get washed.
Speaker 1: But there's going to be someone that's going to bank
Speaker 1: on that ability to rush the passer and penetrate gaps.
Speaker 1: And so I think he's gonna go somewhere in the
Speaker 1: top fifty picks. But I'm really interesting to see where
Speaker 1: he ends up because there's no consensus on Raymond Jones too.
Speaker 1: I want to like the guy. I really want to
Speaker 1: like the guy. That's not a phrase I like to hear. No, No,
Speaker 1: I want to like the guys, and I think there's
Speaker 1: there's more questions than their answers with this guy, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean that's yeah. It's like there's times when
Speaker 1: you see he can really run. I mean you watch
Speaker 1: him get up the field, you watch him attack the gap.
Speaker 1: He's got some pass rush moves. But you're but Dane's right,
Speaker 1: Playing him against the run is not good. I mean
Speaker 1: he gets washed, he gets upright. The first step sometimes
Speaker 1: is real tall. So yeah, but when he plays low
Speaker 1: and he can attack the gap, he's a slippery player.
Speaker 1: You hear me talk about that a lot. But man,
Speaker 1: when you play tall in this league and there and
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of bulk, and he's a
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty pound guy, but he doesn't play
Speaker 1: like a two hundred and eighty pound guy. Well, the
Speaker 1: thing is with him, you do see a good athlete
Speaker 1: on film, but yeah, he didn't test like a good
Speaker 1: athlete seven seven three combe, I mean for a two pounder,
Speaker 1: like if you expected a lot more so we I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't think this guy is gonna be there at
Speaker 1: fifty eight. But the way y'all are talking is like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to draft him at fifty eight anyway. No,
Speaker 1: But there's it's all flashed though. You watch the Okay,
Speaker 1: you could fall in love with this guy watching him
Speaker 1: play easily. You watch watch the TCU tape when Nick
Speaker 1: Bosa got hurt and was out of the game. Draymond
Speaker 1: Jones took over in that second half and really helped
Speaker 1: Ohio State win that game. Had the pick six that
Speaker 1: was constantly in the backfield, uh TCU's backfield. So Draymond
Speaker 1: Jones the flashes, if you watch his highlight tape, you'll
Speaker 1: love them. But when you watch the full body of
Speaker 1: work and you see everything else snapped to snap bassis,
Speaker 1: that's where you start to go. You know, I love
Speaker 1: I like him, but I don't love him. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: your gut feeling is that he still won't even be around.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, I'm what I have
Speaker 1: him on my board. He's you just wouldn't even draft
Speaker 1: him Anywhere's number eighty six. And you know where I
Speaker 1: got him. You got him fifty six day, I had
Speaker 1: in thirty six. Okay, yeah, okay, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think he's I think he's a I think he's probably
Speaker 1: gonna get hip in the high second rounds. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna get selected. Someone's gonna But the thing about it.
Speaker 1: He's one of those buyer and beware guys in Ohio
Speaker 1: States had a couple of those buyer beware guys. Sure
Speaker 1: you know, well, I think it's again. It's a lot
Speaker 1: like Taylor Rap, where there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: teams that say I'm out, But all it takes is
Speaker 1: one team and he's too The flashes are too impressive,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna go high. Sat think Taylor Rap. He's
Speaker 1: too good of a football player to not go in
Speaker 1: the top forty or fifty picks. Yeah, all right, Mark
Speaker 1: wants you all to play a ball with him here,
Speaker 1: so bear with me. Um, this is a trade back scenario.
Speaker 1: So let's just assume that somebody wants to come up
Speaker 1: to fifty eight, and that's always important. But if you're
Speaker 1: wiped out, how far back are you willing to trade?
Speaker 1: And then who would you Okay, so how far back
Speaker 1: would you be willing to trade? And who might be
Speaker 1: too rich at fifty eight that you'd be more willing
Speaker 1: to draft at your new spot? Can I let me
Speaker 1: let me run this by you, my friend, and it's
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be a terrible question for you because
Speaker 1: I kind of know what you're gonna go with this,
Speaker 1: But I'll ask it. If you do trade back, say
Speaker 1: you go back to you go from fifty eight to
Speaker 1: say sixty eight or sixty nine, would you consider taking
Speaker 1: the running back if he was still there, Harris, if
Speaker 1: you picked up something for that move? Or am I
Speaker 1: getting that's the question. Somebody's gonna give you a four Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna give you a fourth round pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd love to give you Arizona's fourth round pick. By
Speaker 1: the way, the one starts to day three. Yeah, you'd
Speaker 1: probably make that deal when you But no, but somebody
Speaker 1: gives you a fourth would and you're wiped out. I
Speaker 1: think you could probably get Williams by the way, the
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt corner. You're gonna you're gonna move the mountains to
Speaker 1: get that guy on this team. But no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying yeah, no, I mean, I'm I could understand
Speaker 1: maybe running back in the nineties, but you can't. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't do it at sixty seven or six. Me personally,
Speaker 1: if you if you dropped ten spots, or say you
Speaker 1: dropped ten spots and pick up at three, well, let's
Speaker 1: think about that. Who's there at six. Who would you
Speaker 1: think would be there at sixty? You picking up? You're
Speaker 1: not picking up at three? Are you a ten spot?
Speaker 1: I'm dropping ten spots? So you go sixty eight, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a three for that. I don't have the
Speaker 1: trade chart in front of me. Ten spots. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: say it's the three next year. I need picks now.
Speaker 1: I don't have time for next year's picks. This plays
Speaker 1: into my point, which is like, at fifty eight, what
Speaker 1: if I'm dropping dealer? What, I'm gonna get a good pick?
Speaker 1: But what like that? You're not gonna get a deal
Speaker 1: that's going to excite me in this scenario. I don't
Speaker 1: think like, well, we just talked about guys that ideally
Speaker 1: at fifty eight, but maybe a little too you know,
Speaker 1: like Tristan Hill. You know he might be a guy
Speaker 1: you look at if you trade back ten spots, because
Speaker 1: it's a little rich for me to take my fifty
Speaker 1: eight but not for you, you you know what seventy two? Okay,
Speaker 1: So so you draft Tristan Hill. Let's just make Triston
Speaker 1: Hill at seventy Yeah, and then you you think you
Speaker 1: get a third round pick. I'm hold, what if you
Speaker 1: can't you're gonna take a four I'm not dropping ten
Speaker 1: spots in this draft to get screwed. Would you take
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill at seventy and a fourth round pick so
Speaker 1: you got three fourth round picks? Jeez, I might do that.
Speaker 1: Almost almost said, you know what, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would you rather do that or bite the bullet
Speaker 1: and draft a guy that you don't want to We're
Speaker 1: wiped out, he said, We're wiped out. Wiped out means
Speaker 1: wiped out of guys you want to draft. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: wiped out of your of your dream scenario. Okay, So
Speaker 1: Damien Harris at fifty eight or this so called deal
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill at seventy and a fourth Oh, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna take yeah Hill Harris, I mean, yeah, give me,
Speaker 1: give me. I'm not doing a running back at fifty eight. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was trying to get him to take
Speaker 1: when it's sixty eight, though, I would just I mean
Speaker 1: telling me that eight safeties are off the board by
Speaker 1: you know, by fifty eight. I just okay, I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel good. I'm gonna get my guy at
Speaker 1: fifty eight. Whether say we're what's what's the Savage. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, you're fine with that, but they might not
Speaker 1: be exactly. Yeah, I don't. I don't. This doesn't sound
Speaker 1: plausible to me. And I mean I got and I got,
Speaker 1: I got Savage at sixty and you have him at
Speaker 1: fifty eight. Yeah, exactly. So I mean, look, Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: is one of those names where but it's the risk
Speaker 1: because again, this is the Cowboys are not the only
Speaker 1: team looking for a three technique and three techniques are scarce.
Speaker 1: And the day we tried to get Jones drafted here
Speaker 1: just a second ago, not here, but right, So, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many three techniques going day two? Three? Maybe? So
Speaker 1: you know, if you're moving back ten spots, you're taking
Speaker 1: a risk that he's gonna make it that far. There
Speaker 1: has to be at least a handful of players, not
Speaker 1: a handful, but three or four players you feel good
Speaker 1: about if you're trading back. I just feel like there's
Speaker 1: no reason to really trade back, to be honest, I
Speaker 1: feel like no. And but he said wiped out. He
Speaker 1: was just he put us in a box. You're never
Speaker 1: You're never truly will okay, but in his question, we
Speaker 1: were wiped out, all right, Our guys were there to
Speaker 1: say wiped out because you know, again, okay, guyau we'll
Speaker 1: find you're saying, we'll find a guy, because we'll find Hill.
Speaker 1: We'll find Hill at fifty eight. Gut feeling, you feel
Speaker 1: better about a guy you like being there at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: Verse the return you get on a minor trade back well,
Speaker 1: and then that's a key part of it, because again,
Speaker 1: a fourth rounder could be an NFL starter, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're okay for Doc Prescott, You're but you're
Speaker 1: you're taking chances. You're taking chances you're gonna miss out
Speaker 1: of your guy. And what I was just saying about, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you really want a three technique, you're taking a
Speaker 1: chance that you're gonna miss out on your guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: say you really want test In Hill, but then he's
Speaker 1: gone at sixty five, and then you made that trade
Speaker 1: and you're you're sick Ryan's getting fired, and you're absolutely right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you reluctantly take Ronell run there at seventy. Nope, I
Speaker 1: don't like this. I wouldn't do it. There will be
Speaker 1: there will be somebody there, there will be there's people
Speaker 1: on the periscope to think that that Hill and Savage
Speaker 1: at fifty eight or two. Rich, I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Hill, I do a little bit
Speaker 1: Savage and I'm sorry Savage and Thornhill. Savage and Thornhill,
Speaker 1: Savage and Thorne. I'd gladly take both of those guys
Speaker 1: at fifty eight. They what do they want at fifty eight?
Speaker 1: I mean like we're six We're six spots away from
Speaker 1: the third round. Wait listen list the best sixty players
Speaker 1: in this draft, and I have you have a hard
Speaker 1: time doing it without including one Thornhill. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: a thought exercise. I want to do real quick, make
Speaker 1: it quick, because we need to do this. Top one hundred.
Speaker 1: Our long time a long time listener, Randall. He's supposed
Speaker 1: to come to y'all scouting thing to good Well and
Speaker 1: he can't. He his daughter's sick. Sorry about that. Um.
Speaker 1: He wanted me to ask you all this. This is
Speaker 1: a This is a thought exercise. See if you can
Speaker 1: follow me here. Player A and B play the same
Speaker 1: position and have similar traits. Player A is a starter
Speaker 1: in the SEC. Player B is a Division two dynamo.
Speaker 1: Player B, the Division two guy, had much much better
Speaker 1: production in college. Who are you drafting, And why did
Speaker 1: you say a position? Just pick a position. They play
Speaker 1: the same position, doesn't matter, which I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: it's kind of broad. It's very broad, but you know
Speaker 1: so much because again I don't production is great, But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I care more about
Speaker 1: traits and is it possible for two guys to have
Speaker 1: the exact same traits, because isn't that what he said? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like one has to have
Speaker 1: a little bit better traits. It's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll give you one, I'll give you one.
Speaker 1: What do you got? I think you got? You got
Speaker 1: Anthony Nelson at seventy and Max Crosby at seventy seven.
Speaker 1: One went to Iowa, one went to Eastern Michigan. Well, again,
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what I'm talking about, Like they
Speaker 1: have different traits, you know, Like with Max Crosby, I'm
Speaker 1: getting a better pass rusher. With Anthony Nelson, I'm getting
Speaker 1: a better edge setter, you know, a guy that's better length,
Speaker 1: better power. You know, I feel better about his ability
Speaker 1: versus to run. But I feel much better about Max
Speaker 1: Crosby as a pass rusher. So it comes down to
Speaker 1: the traits in which type of play you're looking for
Speaker 1: in that scenario that he's using. It's just it's hard
Speaker 1: to say that two players have the exact same traits. Okay, better,
Speaker 1: how about another one. How about how about Winovich at
Speaker 1: sixty or Ferguson at sixty nine Michigan and Louisiana Tech. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and Louisiana Tech obviously being highly highly productive and Winovich
Speaker 1: was two. Um uh, you know in that scenario, I'm
Speaker 1: going with the higher rated player on my board and
Speaker 1: Ferguson right, I'm flipped on that. I got, I got,
Speaker 1: I got Ferguson over. I'm not going to be right
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time like some guys will
Speaker 1: get by me, but I'm always going to air on
Speaker 1: the side of producing against the highest level of talent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I think that That's certainly why strategy and
Speaker 1: again that's why the Senior Bowl matters. You know, That's
Speaker 1: why the combine matters, because at the combine, you could
Speaker 1: watch this Division DUE player or this FCS player go
Speaker 1: through drill and not just the forty yard dash, but
Speaker 1: the positional drills one after the other with FBS guys,
Speaker 1: and you know I've told the story before, but when
Speaker 1: Eric Fisher and Luke Jokol went back to back at
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Speaker 1: Draft Showboys back here with the Draft Show. The SWBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage studios are always presented by Miller Lite. We appreciate
Speaker 1: their hanging out with us as always. I just want
Speaker 1: to put out one final thing. Uh, the Beast finally
Speaker 1: is out. Yes, so make sure you go to DP.
Speaker 1: Brugler got seven days. Yeah, go you grab that. Go
Speaker 1: check out his Twitter account. Looks so good. A physical copy,
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. I'll tell you how important that guide is.
Speaker 1: Yesterday a Hall of Famer came in here to have
Speaker 1: his press conference for for his star on the Walk
Speaker 1: of Fame over there what Champions Walk And it was
Speaker 1: Gil Brandt. And Gil Brandt is like, have you got
Speaker 1: my copy of Dane Brugler's Draft Guide? And I said,
Speaker 1: I do the amount of calls from that from that gentleman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is it done? Is it done? That man, that man,
Speaker 1: and he was part of he has helped us, He
Speaker 1: helped us a little bit on this love. Yeah, Gill
Speaker 1: did a great job. So so yes, you go to
Speaker 1: DP Burglar on the Twitter feed and grab you a
Speaker 1: copy of that. Okay, David Hellman, I'm gonna throw it
Speaker 1: at you a little bit here. You've kind of got
Speaker 1: our top one hundred lists. I sure do. And there's
Speaker 1: some discrepancies. There's a lot of discrepancies. And I think
Speaker 1: I love I love the fact that I do, love
Speaker 1: the fact that I have a ton of respect for
Speaker 1: Dane Burglar. I think I could have scouted with Dane
Speaker 1: Burglar on that championship team that we had in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: He would have been fit right in with John Dorsey,
Speaker 1: John Snyder, Reggie McKenzie, Sean Hirock, you know those guys
Speaker 1: that are all general managers. Leave This young man to
Speaker 1: my right, would have been right there with us. So
Speaker 1: if I have discrepancies with him, I had the same
Speaker 1: discrepancies with those guys in Green Bay too, So it
Speaker 1: makes me feel good that we can have these. So David,
Speaker 1: I kind of go through a few of those if
Speaker 1: you want to kind of talk about that, if you would,
Speaker 1: My main, my main, imprey. And this isn't this isn't
Speaker 1: you know, um, what's the word. This isn't totally across
Speaker 1: the board, true. I mean, Dane's got some guys higher
Speaker 1: value than you do. You know, Dane's got Devin Bush
Speaker 1: as a top ten player. You've got him at twenty,
Speaker 1: the Michigan linebacker. Um about hype there. Yeah, he can
Speaker 1: play play, there's no question. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: we actually agreed on BOSSA this year, which was a
Speaker 1: good thing I think for like, like Dane, Dane, did
Speaker 1: you remember you remember like the two thousand and two
Speaker 1: winner Olympics, Like the Russian judge just could not be impressed.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's Dane Brugler right here. Because especially You'm okay,
Speaker 1: the first round more or less lines up for the
Speaker 1: most part, but you get into like the second and
Speaker 1: third round and you you said it during the break,
Speaker 1: you have seventeen players in your top one hundred that
Speaker 1: Dane didn't even rank. Yeah, but they're in the back
Speaker 1: end of it. Mainly that starts with Jalen Hurd. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Baylor receiver at number seventy five. You have him
Speaker 1: at seventy five. Dane says, no, no, thank you, fourth
Speaker 1: round grade for me, So he's probably he would have
Speaker 1: made my one fifty, but yeah, I didn't make my
Speaker 1: top one hundred. I think the you know, the knee injury, uh,
Speaker 1: not being able to work out that that bothers me
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um But and he's still work in
Speaker 1: progress as a receiver. But I think fourth round is
Speaker 1: where I liked him. Another one again, you know for
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans Emanual Hall, the Missouri receiver that was a
Speaker 1: visit eighty one on Brian's board, not ranked for for Dane.
Speaker 1: That I just, I just I need a guy that
Speaker 1: can stay on the football field, and that just bothers
Speaker 1: the heck out of me. So yours is your greatest
Speaker 1: more outside of the one hundred because of the health.
Speaker 1: Second round talent, Yeah, fourth round, final grade, because I
Speaker 1: need a guy that I can rely on, and I
Speaker 1: don't feel like all the hamstring problems and things like that,
Speaker 1: all the track injuries, you know, the lower body muscle injuries,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't fight through him consistently, so not the
Speaker 1: toughness then lacks toughness. Yeah, I mean, I hate to
Speaker 1: kind of put that on a player, but you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of that track mentality where you don't he's
Speaker 1: not going to tough through those injuries and stay on
Speaker 1: the football field, So that that bothers me. And that's
Speaker 1: why he's not my because I loved him. I've been
Speaker 1: marching for Emmanuel Hall throughout the season. But the more
Speaker 1: you get into it, more you talk to people, talk
Speaker 1: to people on Missouri's campus, Yeah, staying away, they'll know
Speaker 1: about him because of Derek Dooley. Y'all. Uh true, y'all
Speaker 1: actually line up on this guy really well. And it
Speaker 1: may be based on your your ranking. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: guy we should have talked about at the top. We
Speaker 1: talked about him last week. Christian Miller. Yeah, one hundredth one,
Speaker 1: the last guy on Brian's board, ninety sixth for Dane.
Speaker 1: I don't know, consideration, where do you play Christians why?
Speaker 1: That's why I think that Christian Miller. I think for
Speaker 1: this guy, for this team, he's gonna play linebacker and
Speaker 1: I and my thought in that would be he would
Speaker 1: probably play as a Sam linebacker too, right, I agree,
Speaker 1: And but on tape he was at his best when
Speaker 1: he was rushing the past. Yeah, when he can rush
Speaker 1: the passer. And another guy where he really struggled to
Speaker 1: stay healthy. I mean, he was a big time recruit,
Speaker 1: had four starts in his career at Alabama, and a
Speaker 1: lot of that was because of health, and so when
Speaker 1: he was on the field, he was uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Nick Saban talks really glowingly about him because he did
Speaker 1: whatever he needed to do, you know, to be on
Speaker 1: the field, whether he's rushing the pass or playing in
Speaker 1: the middle whatever. He accepted that responsibility and did it.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to like about just his football character,
Speaker 1: but durability as a factor, and then just fit where
Speaker 1: what does he do best. I like him as a
Speaker 1: pass rusher, but I see him more as a three
Speaker 1: or four player where he's going to be standing up
Speaker 1: rushing off the edge, kind of like he did at
Speaker 1: Alabama more so than what they do here. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want I wanna go there. I mean, these guys are
Speaker 1: all ranked by both of you, but I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: we're looking at the second and third round. Go through
Speaker 1: some names that might make sense for the Cowboys. Which okay,
Speaker 1: well here's one, Brian, I gave Dane all the credit.
Speaker 1: Dane's got our guy, Chauncey Gardner Johnson. That's a top
Speaker 1: fifty prospect. You got him way down at sixty seven.
Speaker 1: What gives? What didn't you like? Yeah? I thought that
Speaker 1: to me when when when I watched him play and
Speaker 1: you know, and I was looking really for more of
Speaker 1: a guy. I like the coverage aspect to him, I
Speaker 1: think is really good that that part of it was
Speaker 1: impressive to me. But I there were times where I
Speaker 1: just did not think that he was a good enough tackler,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's the thing that I you know,
Speaker 1: when you when you start talking about, okay, what can
Speaker 1: you do? I mean, I understand that how you have
Speaker 1: guys that Okay, you play him a coverage, but then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the ball gets into space and
Speaker 1: now he's missed a tackle. Now there's that hidden yards.
Speaker 1: There's another twenty something yards added because of a missed
Speaker 1: tackle there. So I just, man, I just thought it
Speaker 1: was a fifty fifty proposition with this guy playing as
Speaker 1: a safety. And I'm not gonna say I love the
Speaker 1: fact that he plays all over the field. I love
Speaker 1: the fact that he can cover. I love the fact
Speaker 1: that he can play in the slot. But I do
Speaker 1: not like the fact that he is a fifty fifty
Speaker 1: player when it comes to tackling. I saw a little
Speaker 1: bit better batting average than fifty fifty. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. I just thought he was
Speaker 1: a play disruptor, whether it was in coverage or as
Speaker 1: a blitzer making play. He's so aggressive and sometimes he
Speaker 1: does come in too hot. And you know, he's not
Speaker 1: the biggest guy. He's only at five eleven two ten,
Speaker 1: so that's not the biggest guy. And you know, so
Speaker 1: he has to be a little more sound with his
Speaker 1: technique when he finishes. But the way he flies around
Speaker 1: the field, the aggressiveness, like that's not something you can
Speaker 1: really coach. Either you have it or you don't. I'm
Speaker 1: betting on a guy like Gardner Johnson. Again, I like
Speaker 1: him best as a nickel I think that's where you
Speaker 1: can best see his talents. So if you have I
Speaker 1: need a nickel player, I'm taking him in the top
Speaker 1: forty and feeling good about it. These are two of
Speaker 1: the biggest discrepancies on this entire thing, and they're guys
Speaker 1: that kind of fit M A and M tight end.
Speaker 1: Jase Sternberger Brian's got him at fifty nine, Dane way
Speaker 1: down at ninety three. That's that's up more than around
Speaker 1: what gives with Jason. You know, I first of all,
Speaker 1: one year he did it. I mean, he couldn't get
Speaker 1: on the field of Kansas really and then part of
Speaker 1: that was scheme and what they were asking him to do.
Speaker 1: But then he goes to a and m has the
Speaker 1: breakout season. You know, I think there's a lot to
Speaker 1: like with him as a pass catcher, but as a blocker,
Speaker 1: I worry about him. Um So as an inline player,
Speaker 1: I have some questions. As a down the field player. Um,
Speaker 1: I think that he's there's nothing that really stands out
Speaker 1: as a difference maker, you know, like there's nothing exceptional
Speaker 1: about what he does except I guess the one thing
Speaker 1: that his trump card is once he has the football,
Speaker 1: he can be, you know, a tough guy to get
Speaker 1: on the field or get on the ground. So but
Speaker 1: he as a route runner, as a pass catcher, like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that really blows me away. So third round,
Speaker 1: he's a solid third round pick for me. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I like him, but not taking him as a second
Speaker 1: round guy. Yeah, I think this guy's a mismatch player. Myself.
Speaker 1: I think he's right about the you know, some of
Speaker 1: the inline stuff and the flex stuff. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's that is a concern. But I think this
Speaker 1: guy knows how to separate. I think he does get separation.
Speaker 1: I think he catches the ball well down the field.
Speaker 1: I think the ball in his hands is really really
Speaker 1: good too. I think you know, this guy, he gets
Speaker 1: his eyes around quick for the ball. It's not like
Speaker 1: he's looking. I mean he's it's not like he's late
Speaker 1: with his hands or his eyes or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But when he when he separates down the field, that man,
Speaker 1: that quarterback did a good job of getting the ball
Speaker 1: and letting him just run with it. I think he
Speaker 1: can secure the ball. Uh, yeah, he did get He
Speaker 1: had a fumble against LSU that should have been called.
Speaker 1: But overall, overall, though, I do I think this guy
Speaker 1: is a mismatch player. I think someone's gonna draft this kid,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna he's gonna present a lot of problems
Speaker 1: because of the his ability to get down the field.
Speaker 1: Another one that really stands out, Bright, I think you've
Speaker 1: cooled on Zach Allen as a possible Cowboys pick a
Speaker 1: little after the after the Quinn, after the Robert Quinn trade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've still got him as a as number forty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dane seventy four. Again, I mean you're talking thirty spots,
Speaker 1: like full rounds of difference. What gives I just I
Speaker 1: don't know, I talking about defensive end who is not
Speaker 1: going to be a big time pass rushers. That's not
Speaker 1: what he does best. And I think it just comes
Speaker 1: more and along the lines of what he does best
Speaker 1: and how that fits the value of that. If I'm
Speaker 1: drafting a defensive end and the you know, top sixty picks,
Speaker 1: I want a guy can get to the quarterback, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could find sound run defenders, edge setters,
Speaker 1: you know later on not you know, later rounds, but
Speaker 1: third round, fourth round. And so that's why Zach Allen
Speaker 1: as a third round player on my board at top
Speaker 1: seventy five pick, but more of a third round player
Speaker 1: then a guy that I'm gonna take at a top fifty,
Speaker 1: top sixty. So I like Greg Allen, it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: he he just doesn't have enough juice as a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: and I think they kind of limits him a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the fact that he could play a couple
Speaker 1: different positions helps me with my mental part of it, though.
Speaker 1: I think he's a really hard guy to fool. And
Speaker 1: so if you've got a guy that has some pass
Speaker 1: rush ability, I'm Dan's right, He's not going to make
Speaker 1: you feel like that you're getting one of the top
Speaker 1: pass rushers. But what you're getting a guy is there's
Speaker 1: a really good run defender. You're getting a guy that
Speaker 1: has some strength at the point of attack. He's aggressive
Speaker 1: when it comes to playing outside the tackle box. He'll
Speaker 1: chase the effort. All those things about him, Dang's right,
Speaker 1: there's there's snaps. He needs to finish better. But when
Speaker 1: he gets in position, he can be that guy that
Speaker 1: gets the ball carrier on the ground. He can get
Speaker 1: a quarterback on the ground in the pocket. He's never
Speaker 1: gonna be a double digit sack guy. But but when
Speaker 1: you talk about complete players, I feel like though he's
Speaker 1: a guy that would get my consideration that that you know,
Speaker 1: I have him there talking about him at fifty eight
Speaker 1: because the fact that he could play a couple of positions.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like though that he's one of
Speaker 1: those guys a little bit like Crawford that does a
Speaker 1: lot of things that doesn't show up in the box score.
Speaker 1: He's always helping his teammates get to the quarterback. He
Speaker 1: can be a guy that could be a pick and
Speaker 1: then guys could get around him. He's got some power
Speaker 1: to him. I just liked the guy for his ability
Speaker 1: to be an every down type player. I just don't
Speaker 1: know if the number are gonna be Dans right about that,
Speaker 1: but I think every down he's gonna do something to
Speaker 1: help you win again, and I mean Crawford. I think
Speaker 1: it's a perfect comparison for him. Yeah, like that's what
Speaker 1: he is. His best case he'll have that was a
Speaker 1: third round right pick eighty one. Yeah, I draft Zack
Speaker 1: Alan at ninety, I wouldn't want to at fifty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of how I feel. Um, these guys want, that's
Speaker 1: what you're a great reflect your numbers reflect. These guys
Speaker 1: won't be cowboys. But I do think it's interesting. Again,
Speaker 1: I cut really absurd ones quickly. I know we're runn
Speaker 1: out of time. Brian Burns, this is a huge one,
Speaker 1: widely regarded as a top fifteen pick. Dan's got him
Speaker 1: out eleven. You're you're saying he's number forty two. I don't,
Speaker 1: I am not. I am not a fan. Too small
Speaker 1: he I just don't I see a small player. Can't
Speaker 1: feed him some milkshakes? Well, I just don't know if
Speaker 1: he's ever to me. When you come from a big
Speaker 1: time program, and you've never really put on weight, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like you bulk or stringth I
Speaker 1: just I don't know how he gets into a pro
Speaker 1: program and puts something. Wait what about our and Randy?
Speaker 1: Did Randy ever really put on a lot of weight?
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's he's bigger than he was came out.
Speaker 1: Its almost the exact same weight as DeMarcus Lawrence. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I just
Speaker 1: say that. Okay, does he does he play light? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like he plays light? Yes? He does. See
Speaker 1: That's where that's you're you're banking, if you're a scout,
Speaker 1: if you're a general manager, you're tying your your your
Speaker 1: draft to this guy that I think is a one
Speaker 1: trick pony. I mean a little bit, but we're talking
Speaker 1: about a really good trick, okay, Like I mean getting
Speaker 1: to the quarterbacks of pretty good speed off the edge,
Speaker 1: Like there are times where, yeah, if an offensive line
Speaker 1: dominant player off the edge, I think he has that
Speaker 1: type of potential. I mean, I see a potential. Is
Speaker 1: potential to me? Is not eleven? That potential is not eleven?
Speaker 1: Is it forty two? I mean, I don't. To me,
Speaker 1: I would bet on those traits. Uh. And somewhere in
Speaker 1: the top fifteen pick pass rusher is one of those
Speaker 1: spots where you bank on. I'd be happy to admit
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But I've seen this Florida State bit. You know,
Speaker 1: I've seen the judging program. No, no, no, I've seen
Speaker 1: the Jamal Reynolds of the world and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Go and not do anything. Drafting sounds like Ron Wolf's
Speaker 1: last pick. You get you get that fifteenth overalls like
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago, right, you know, I know it
Speaker 1: wasn't you. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, though this guy.
Speaker 1: To me, if I'm wrong about him being a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: then I'll admit it. But I just don't see. I
Speaker 1: don't see top ten talent. I don't, all right, and
Speaker 1: I really don't real quick. I think this is the
Speaker 1: biggest discrepancy on the whole thing. And I said Dane's
Speaker 1: the Russian judge, but this is insane. Forty one spots
Speaker 1: Dane has old Miss receiver A. J. Brown as the
Speaker 1: thirty first best player. Brian, you have them all the
Speaker 1: way down at seventy two. I think that's the biggest
Speaker 1: discrepancy on this whole board. A J. Brown, to me,
Speaker 1: is one of the that is a forty one spot difference.
Speaker 1: I think A. J. Brown is one of the cleanest
Speaker 1: players in this draft. Like I think, I don't know
Speaker 1: what a ceiling is, but I feel really, really good
Speaker 1: that I'm getting a good player who's not gonna bust.
Speaker 1: Like I don't, I'm interested to hear what you don't
Speaker 1: like about AJ Brown. I just don't think there's anything
Speaker 1: really special about him. Okay, I don't. I mean all
Speaker 1: these receivers keep talk while I look at I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean I am not I am when you there's
Speaker 1: like you're saying, okay, clean, What is really? What is what?
Speaker 1: What is his best trade other than running roun Day's
Speaker 1: second highest ratings, Other than running routes? He's a receiver.
Speaker 1: I mean he I think he has natural routes, natural hands.
Speaker 1: He's two hundred twenty six pounds and ran a four
Speaker 1: four I mean highly productive, set all kinds of records
Speaker 1: at old miss receiving. I to me, he is worthy
Speaker 1: of first round consideration. I can play inside, can play outside.
Speaker 1: I just I'm not sure there's not speed you he
Speaker 1: does not play at that time speed. You can't say that.
Speaker 1: I will disagree there. I'll disagree there. I think he is.
Speaker 1: Is there quickness there with this guy? You see yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: fight fight fight. I don't I don't see a I
Speaker 1: don't see a special player there. No, Well, okay special.
Speaker 1: Well you're talking about him like he's Where's he get
Speaker 1: him ranked thirty one? Yeah? Okay, that you got him
Speaker 1: right outside the first there's like thirty special players in
Speaker 1: this draft. Like, I don't think he's special. No, but
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be an NFL star. Well,
Speaker 1: all these guys could be NFL starters. Let's not do that.
Speaker 1: Play that card. Well, okay, you would hope they are
Speaker 1: top one hundred players. Sure, Okay, I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be a He's my third receiver Abiliey behind metcalt. No,
Speaker 1: he's my third. Yeah. I mean I'm gonna trust your
Speaker 1: word over mine. Metcalf. I have like twenty seven Brown,
Speaker 1: have twenty eight AJ Brown have their one? Where this
Speaker 1: is all? I don't even where's AJ Brown? Brian? You
Speaker 1: have you must have him way down the list. Where
Speaker 1: do you have him ranked? Like A hundred? But oh oh,
Speaker 1: what are you doing. I'm I'm out of it. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: never mind, go ahead, he hits your second rated receiver. No,
Speaker 1: I mean with look, I don't know. I just I
Speaker 1: see a guy that can uncover. He catches the ball,
Speaker 1: he's very strong after the catch, he can block. I
Speaker 1: just what are the holes? I guess, like I understand
Speaker 1: thinking he's not going to be like a number one receiver,
Speaker 1: that's fine, But but no, if he's not, you get
Speaker 1: him at thirty one and you don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a number one receiver. Most receivers draft in that
Speaker 1: area are I mean, that's there's just how many if
Speaker 1: I follow you there? Yeah, exactly, there's no Okay, when
Speaker 1: I say number one receivers, there's like thirteen number one
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL. When you say number one receiver,
Speaker 1: talking about leaving the super freaks, I'm talking about yeah,
Speaker 1: like true number ones, like not every team. Half the
Speaker 1: teams in the league don't have a number one receiver,
Speaker 1: a true number one. So what Stephen Jones told us
Speaker 1: all last spring? Yeah, yeah, that worked out real well,
Speaker 1: and they had to go up a number one to
Speaker 1: get a real wide receipt. I think a J. Brown
Speaker 1: can be Juju Smith Schuster? When was he taking sixty six?
Speaker 1: Sixty two? Yeah? And where would be? Where would he
Speaker 1: be taking them? Sorrow? First round? Top fifteen somewhere? Well,
Speaker 1: where did you have Schuster on your board? Dane? We're
Speaker 1: going another hour? We got more to talk about here. No,
Speaker 1: I'm serious, I'm asking. I really don't remember. Look it up.
Speaker 1: You probably have been sixty two where you should have been.
Speaker 1: But what's that matter with Ajo Brown? I'm just saying
Speaker 1: we missed on Judus miss Uster real quick before we
Speaker 1: get out of here. We might not have How many
Speaker 1: first round grades do you have? Brian? Twenty five? How
Speaker 1: many grades do you have? Dane? Twenty one? That seems
Speaker 1: like a lot, especially for me. Twenty five For me
Speaker 1: it is. And here I am like this draft black
Speaker 1: star power to me, like this is not a sexy
Speaker 1: draft by any stretch. And you're telling me there's twenty
Speaker 1: five first round grades and I don't have a first
Speaker 1: round safety or a first round wide receiver. That's music
Speaker 1: in my ears. I don't have the first round safety.
Speaker 1: He's tackles and twenty five like usually it's like eighteen. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where I think him different because rock
Speaker 1: your sin? What about him? Temple first round? Yeah, twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty six, Yeah, yeah, so he's just outside. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go, Byron Murphy's my only first round corner one
Speaker 1: week away. Kids. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Let's do
Speaker 1: more of that about Brown. Let's talk about A J.
Speaker 1: Brown some more. Well, if we agreed all these guys,
Speaker 1: this wouldn't be fun. No, we wouldn't have a sure
Speaker 1: to talk about. All right. Well, hey, thanks everybody out
Speaker 1: there for joining us. I always appreciate the back and forth.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have Brown higher than me too.
Speaker 1: But anyway, for my aunt Dane Burglar, for David Hellman,
Speaker 1: can't get son Bryan Bross. If you're around Dallas Fort
Speaker 1: Worth again, Miller Litte. The Draft show will be at
Speaker 1: Shakington's Shakerton's in the Colony April twenty third, from five
Speaker 1: to seven, So check us out. Then you guys, have
Speaker 1: a good weekend. We'll see you then,