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But and then 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.920 also tonight though, if you're kind of hanging out, we 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.399 got Draft one oh one going on on one oh 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.960 five three the Fan on their Facebook account. Myself, Dame Brugler, 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:34.200 Kat and Jeff Kavanaugh. We'll do doing that. That starts 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.920 at seven o'clock. That's another opportunity. That's one of the 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.399 things we like doing with one oh five three the Fan, 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.200 and so we're excited about that. And hopefully you can 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.600 either catch us tonight on the Draft one oh one 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.720 or you can catch us live in person next Tuesday, 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.240 April twenty third at Shakerton's from five to seven. So 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.320 make plans for that, boys. Today I want to get 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:02.480 into best case scenario for fifty eight and ninety. People 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.800 are asking me about two players guys you would like 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.960 to have at fifty eight. What is your ideal when 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.880 you walk out a day too, assuming that after what 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.240 Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones said to us yesterday, there 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.560 will not be any trading up into the first round 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.360 of this draft. Now again, you know Jerry is one 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.240 of those guys that he hates to sit there without 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.720 a first round pick, and but maybe they see some 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:26.360 value they would go up and get a guy. But 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.560 I want to go through with you, guys, your two 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.680 ideal players at fifty eight and ninety after that first 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.880 after excuse me, the Friday afternoon to our nighttime drafting 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.800 there and David Hellman, I will start with you on 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.280 this one, Okay, I want you to tell me your 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.480 ideal players for those two spots. All right, Oh give 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.000 me a reason why. Well, I want to walk you 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:52.959 through my thought process. I told you upstairs I was 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:54.799 going to cheat a little bit. I wrote. I wrote 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.359 a couple of names just kind of get get the thought. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.760 Juice is flowing yere. But I'm looking I'm looking at 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.480 this board a lot. You know, you're picking fifty eight, 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.560 You're like seven spots from the end of the second round. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.400 I'm not convinced that a lot of the guys I 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.120 really love are going to be there, and so I'm 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.800 looking for was I'm I'm looking to mitigate that. I guess. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.520 So the two names, you know, we can throw out 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.120 Jonathan Abram, we can throw out Taylor rap. I don't 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:23.480 really believe at the end of the day, they're going 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.480 to be there. So I look at that, I look 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:30.320 at defensive tackle. We talked about this upstairs too. I'm 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.880 just not convinced the values there in that range. Like, 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.160 I'm not convinced there's a guy there that I'm in 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.000 love with at defensive tackle. Can I ask a question 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.680 real quick? Yeah, better value at defensive tackle, Dane or 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.920 running back at fifty eight At that point in time, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.320 running back, We're still going there. You're still going there. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.320 Still just want to just want to I just want 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.560 to know is there is is a player going to 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.240 be there? That is the classic question of are you 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.680 drafting a defensive tackle just to say you did it 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:00.320 because you need one? Or the better player? In my opinion, Yeah, 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.000 I mean I think specifically a three technique running back 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.080 would be I think you're getting the better player, yeah, 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.560 But value wise, I don't like the value. Okay, put 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.360 it that way, Okay, David. Anyway, So with all of 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.640 that in mind, I'm not in love with most of 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.839 my options here. But I think there's two names that 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.839 I think have a chance to be there or close 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.920 in range. Juan Thornhill Dane's guy in his most recent mock, 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.679 the Virginia safety and Chauncey Gardner Johnson they Florida safety. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.840 The reason I picked them out. I think it's more 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.920 realistic that they fall that far or at least into 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.160 a range where you could do a reasonable trade. But 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.360 I think it's possible one of them is there. They 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.400 can both play safety. To your point, Brian and Steven 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.560 Jones said it yesterday, you're looking for a plug and 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.560 play starter at fifty eight. Can't guarantee it'll happen. They're 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.120 potentially good enough to plug and play. And even if 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.720 they're not, they both have nickel experience. They're both flexible. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.279 They can kind of be that utility man or in 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.520 their career they can play some nickel. They can play, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.799 you know, three third safety in a dime package, maybe 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.640 like a rover back type of guy, kind of like 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.400 Byron Jones when he first got here. They could be 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.640 that guy until they transition into a starting role, hopefully 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.159 in year two. So I feel good about both of those. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.800 If that isn't possible, I look at that as a 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.320 wipeout scenario. I don't want to draft a running back. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.640 You guys know, my guy Deebo Samuel. Okay, I would 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.560 pull the trigger on Debo in a heartbeat if a 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.960 safety wasn't available. Okay, it's just me. As we look 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.960 at David Hellman's names of Chauncey Gardner Johnson, and then 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.160 we also look at his name of Juan Thornhill on 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.880 Dame Brugler's board, He's got Gardner Johnson at one hundred 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.160 top one, number forty eight if I'm right about that, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.479 and then he's got Juan Thornhill at forty nine. So 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.520 they're right back to back right there. Talk about that 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:56.280 a little bit. Yeah, And I think Gardner Johnson, I think, 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.039 depending on the fit, Gardner Johnson, I love is a 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.800 nickel um. Now he has experienced as a free has 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.320 experience as but I thought what he did best was 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.360 the nickel, and so for this team, I still think 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.880 he'd be fine as kind of a box player. But 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.520 I hope they'd be a little open minded with him 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.719 if they used him as a nickel as you know, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.120 just get a little creative and not just stick him in, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.880 you know, that one box of what he's doing. Thornhill, 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.680 I think he's better as a free but I think 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.040 he's interchangeable because I mean he led Virginia and tackles 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.760 last ye also let him an interception, So I think 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:31.599 he could do a little bit of everything, and I 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.440 would agree. I think best case scenario at fifty eight, 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.960 it's probably weren't one Thornhill. And ideally for me, if 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.400 I'm the Cowboys, I'm going all defense on day two. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.000 I'm looking and my second and third round picks. I'm 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.360 looking to come out with a defensive lineman and a 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.800 defensive back. That's ideal for me. And here in the 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.960 second round, are you going? Are you just? How? Are 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.920 you right? Right? Any complication? Okay, Let's say that Garter 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.279 Johnson and one Thornhill are off the board. Um, let's 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.720 say that, and I would be okay with Darnold Savage there. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.040 Darnold Savage is actually number fifty eight overall on my 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.839 top one Okay, so he's closer to potentially being where 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.840 you're picking then, right, right, But let's say LJ. Collier's there, 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.520 TCU defensive end. Okay, David, you know this team pretty well, though. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.120 Defensive end something they're thinking about or is that something 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.760 where that that Dane's trying to get the best player 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.600 and it's funny because defensive end might not be super 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.200 high on their priority Listen of they resigned to Marcus Lawrence, 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.840 but we know they love LJ. Collier absolutely is a 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.280 guy that they've talked to. He didn't give you a 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.680 good name there. They just worked out Max Crosby the 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.280 other day. You can and you can talk your I 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.160 mean you can talk yourself into that very easily. I mean, 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.080 you don't you talk yourself into that. If you're thinking 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:45.920 about moving Crawford back inside to defensive tackle, I don't. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.360 I mean absolutely you could and you could bolster you know, 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.600 you could address the fact that you don't have a 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.880 tackle by or you're thinking about only having Robert Quinn 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.120 for one year here too? Well, let I mean and 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.440 Tyrone Crawford, who knows what his favor But what did 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.080 I say? Who did I say? You said Robert Quinn? No? No, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.240 But I meant you no. You said to everybody he's saying, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.680 okay after this year. You just don't know. That's what 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.920 I'm saying. If you would think about moving it back inside, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.280 you would think about draft and call your fifty eight right, 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.000 And you can't force it, you know, like if the 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.320 defensive tackle's not there. You know, is fifty eight too 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.080 early for Tristan Hill. See, this is where it would 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.920 have to draft him at fifty eighth. This is where 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.160 and when we get into our top one. And by 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:25.640 the way, in the in the last segment, we're gonna 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.520 do twitter on the twenty be the last segment. I'm 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.280 gonna go through this board Danes one hundred and my 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.480 one hundred because there's some there's some discrepancies there, you know, 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.520 and I appreciate and I appreciate that you No, No, 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.120 that makes it fun. No, No, it makes it fun 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.559 because there's guys he has higher than me, and then 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.679 it's vice versa. Really there, But okay, if you think 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.160 about Hill, if you think about Hill, and I'm looking 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.679 to get it, I'm looking at the where the numbers, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.120 and I'm a little bit higher on Hill than you are, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.720 I think, I think on the numbers wise, if I'm 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.240 not mistaken right there, whereas I haven't been seventy, I've 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.880 had seventy four and you haven't at ninety. So you're 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.920 thinking more about him as a true third round player, yes, 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.040 and I'm thinking about him as a third round player, 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.160 but a higher up the board third round player. Okay, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.480 is that too rich thin? At fifty eight? You just 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.800 said it. I think. I mean it's you got to 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.120 go there, don't you. I mean, is that I don't 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:16.679 have to do it. You don't have to go there. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.120 And that's exactly what I was talking about. If an LJ. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.440 Collier and a Tristan Hill are there, right, sure you 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.120 could go with the more the true three technique, or 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.160 you can go with a better player. Yeah, at a 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.120 position that's still I don't. I don't. I mean, that's 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.560 that's your rallying cry from the day I met you 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.000 is don't window dress your board. Don't window dress your board. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.959 I would rather draft like a badass receiver at fifty 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.200 eight than force a defensive tackle just because I feel 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.480 like I need one. Yeah, shows me, Okay, let me. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.800 It's something real quick of the receiver or the running back. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.480 Which way you go in there? Me? Yeah? Receiver, yeah, 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.880 no question, running backs not even an option, not an 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.880 option for you, okay, for you, for me, not for 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.160 the people that are actually gonna make the phone call. Yeah, yes, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.760 that's true. Okay, So we we we feel like though 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.959 that that are we calling that rich are we calling 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.320 that we calling a Hill pick at fifty eight too rich, 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.199 or were calling it at a necessity a necessity because 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.800 we want a defensive tackle other than maybe the defensive ent. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.040 I think that would be too rich. But like would 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.679 it be so rich that you're just gonna piss and 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.360 moan about it, you know, right? I mean he's got 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.240 it in the third we both have in the third round. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.160 It's just I have him a little higher to where 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.600 talents could pick it. So that's a that's a fifteen 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.160 spot overdraft for you and more like a thirty spot 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.800 overdraft for you. We have we have to remember that, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.760 like on for our purposes, we're every player in this 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.040 draft is kind of eligible for our board. Like sure, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.240 we don't discount any player, no question. Cowboys they have 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:56.439 how many players they go on their total board. Yeah, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.040 so you know there's even though Tristan Hill would be 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.000 a little bit of a reach for us to take 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.600 a fifty eight for the Cowboys, he might be one 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.960 of their five best players there, that's no question. Yeah. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.040 So because because just because I have him at seventy 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.240 four and you have him at ninety, doesn't mean they 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.480 don't have him at twenty one. Right. But even if 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:20.280 I'm just remember they only have you know, we could 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.640 make a board that's our top four hundred where they 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.640 only have a board that's say, by the way, yeah, 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.080 they only have a top one fifty board, and a 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.559 lot of that one fifty is Day three players. So 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.240 there's Tristan Hill could be you know, a third round 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.800 pick for them, but he might be picked or you know, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.120 on their board, he might be the sixtieth bestive player. Yeah. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.360 So that's the thing that like not our listeners, but 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.240 like elementary draft fans, you know, they look at the 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.160 whole pool of players, whereas these teams like seventy five 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.199 percent of these guys are crossed off for one reason 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.360 or no, it could be medicals that I'm here, I'm 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:58.280 hearing stuff about Errol Willis. Oh yeah, Errol Willis. It's 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.920 that you bring up the name Willis here. They kind 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.960 of look at you, like, don't talk about Gerald Willis here? Well, 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.920 which is that's that's the Miami defensive tackle and and 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.240 that's a guy that we kind of been talking about 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.160 as a potential guy. We try to connect the dots. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.360 They bring them in on a thirty visit and so 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.080 you circle the name because they're interested in it. But 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.120 the reason you bring guys in on a thirty visit 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.920 is you want to learn more about him and they 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.800 about you. Don't always come away impressed. That probably applies 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.680 to three or four other guys. Oh yeah, and with 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.240 Gerald Willis, you give him credit for kind of turning 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.120 things around and having the senior year that he did, 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.040 but that doesn't mean you just ignore the background, all 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.120 the baggage that come with both injury wise, character wise, 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:43.880 maturity wise, and on the field. He's not a complete player. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:45.959 I mean, he is a gap quickness type of guy, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.319 but it has a lot of holes versus the run. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.520 No question, you're ninety guy best case at nine. Again, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.480 like you know, y'all know more than me. I'm not 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:59.079 in love with my options and defensive tackle, especially if 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.360 Gerald Willis is a guy that we're not considering, right, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.520 you know, I don't think Tristan Hill's there at ninety. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.199 I wrote down Renell Wren, but like just kind of 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.400 because like I don't love that. So for me, the 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.200 two names that I came away with, and I looked 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.600 at both of y'all's big boards to kind of gauge. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.080 I came away with Isaiah Johnson because he's a corner 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.880 that fits what Chris Richard would want. Sure went down 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:21.920 there and worked him out. And if not Isaiah Johnson, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.800 then I've talked myself into tray ViOn Williams. There you go. 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.960 That's where I go. It's funny because I don't, uh, 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.240 it might mock draft. Isaiah Johnson wasn't in a round 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.880 for fifty eight. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's hard to 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.160 player like that is you know, all traits and so 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.040 he could be get easily over picked. Um, I'm gonna 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.960 feel real dumb when he goes thirty fifth over. I mean, 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.079 we're just trying to put the players where they have 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.240 a chance. Those guys that are have the length, the 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.199 size and the speed. There's several of in theistry. Isaiah Johnson, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.480 Lonnie Johnson's gonna go I have a fourth round, great 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.719 on Lonnie Johnson, and there's a chance he goes in 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.800 the top forty picks. Yeah, so yeah, a lot of 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.560 these guys are gonna go early. For me, I would 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.480 go n there. I actually have Renell Wren slightly over 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.760 trust and Hill. I've got him really really close but 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.040 I've Renell Wren slightly over him. I think that would 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.080 be a realistic pick at ninety. And if they go 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.560 defensive back in fifty eight, then I think we're looking 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.280 at Renell Wren is the best scenario at pick ninety. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.440 Doesn't that just seem too tidy to you? Like, yeah, 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.360 that's what they want, sure, but when you're picking at 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:25.280 the back end of the round, are you going to 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.880 get what you want twice in a row? Probably not 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.800 be you asked ideal? Right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, you want 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.120 it to be ideal. So I think that's ideally, that's 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:35.520 what you like to come away with. I'd love to 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.960 come away with again, a defensive back, a defensive lineman, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.440 and that defensive lineman could be an edge guy, could 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.800 be a tackle. I mean, I'm getting better up front. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.560 That's what I want. And again, whoever they draft at 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.680 fifty eight or ninety is not going to be the 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.840 difference between this team making the Super Bowl or not. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.040 But you still you want a good player that you're 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.000 gonna add the rotation and it's going to have an 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.560 impact for you in year one. And you know, I 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.960 think we could do that with Ronelle Wren not going 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.320 to be a guy that's going to to save the season. 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.760 But if Meleek Collins doesn't come back. No, that's true. Okay, 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.880 think about That's why all this three technique talk is 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.920 happening right now, right I want to draft one. I 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.200 just you look at the you look at the options 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.840 and what you think is realistic for that range, and 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:17.840 I don't I don't know if it falls for me. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.320 It's really not a great three technique group after the 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.760 first round. Um, I mean you could look into like 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.480 the fourth round or early day three with guys like Kingsley, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.320 Kiki and uh. I mean you mentioned Willis isn't really 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.800 a strong option for this team, but it's it's not. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.000 I mean, we both like the Cincinnati kid. But you 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.960 know we're talking about late, you know, day three somewhere. Um, 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.880 you know, not guys that you're thinking about in the 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.520 top one hundred. Okay, give me your two guys. I 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.400 know we've kind of had discussion. Yeah, I think it's ideally, uh, 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.440 probably one Thorn Hill and then you know, the better 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.280 Tristan Hill is probably not there, so probably Renell ren Um. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.080 That would probably be ideal for me, even though I 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.920 wouldn't be upset if they again went pass Rusher, if 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.040 if Max Crosby, Mart Crosby, Yeah, if you were there 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.920 at ninety, I think that would make a lot of sense. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.040 That's asking a lot, though, isn't it, though? Max Crosby 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.440 to me, I mean, I know, watching him play, I 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.440 had him a lot higher. You've got him. I've got 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.640 a sixty one and you've got him at seventy seven. Yea, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.840 So I mean there's yeah, there's a big difference there. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.920 I think you'd be comfortable with. Yeah. I'm thinking about 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.880 if you know, if you if I got I got 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.640 a Callier at fifty two, and then Max and then 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.480 Max Crosby at sixty one, So you know, I'm kind 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.640 of thinking in that range of those two guys. I 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.640 sure I would take Callier first, but I liked Max 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.240 Crosby watching him play. Yeah, I thought there was a 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.560 lot of positivity about him. I would love to see 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:50.040 the reaction from non draft Nicks if their first pick 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.400 is a defensive end from Eastern Michigan. Not saying there's 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.240 anything wrong with that. I know how people are, and 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.800 I wouldn't It would not be well received by people 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.120 who weren't at ucated yeah. No. And Max Crosby as 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.280 as a player who probably needs a year in an 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.520 NFL strength the conditioning program. You know that was a 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.640 big reason why he left early because he was a junior. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.040 Left early. Sure, he kind of felt like he did 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.040 all he could do at Eastern Michigan. You know, like 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.800 he program really wasn't advancing his career as a football player. 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.000 So you know, he'd probably have a year in there 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:21.879 and get going exactly, he probably needs a year at 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.240 an NFL strength the conditioning program, the bulk up, and 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.960 you know, because he kind of he's he flails, you know, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.840 he's all arms and legs when he's rushing. But there's 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.280 a lot to like there. But better pass rusher than 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:39.280 Tacoh gosh, no pass rush potential, sure yeah no no, 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.640 But did you feel like, Okay, what did you feel 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.800 like with Taco? You talk about we with development stuff. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:47.919 What was the one thing we kept saying about Taco 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.159 needs to develop pass rush moves. This guy actually has 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.800 pass rush moves. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. How's 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.560 his spend move? Oh, he'll step. This guy will find 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.960 ways to get free. His inside move is probably one 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.920 of the better things that he did that he's slippery. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.240 It's a slippery player. You're doing a great job of 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.439 not telling us your guys. No, no, no, I am, 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.359 I'm going to tell you that my running up on 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.200 the break. No no, I'm I could go over time 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.280 here show do what I want. Okay, I'm You know, 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.800 when I think I'm buying what Dane Brugler is saying 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.400 about Rap, I think I think that there's a way 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.359 that Rap gets to you at fifty eight. That would 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.399 be fantastic. I am. Now, there's a lot of people 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.520 out there that love and talking to scouts, there's a 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.200 lot of people that don't like the time, but a 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.560 lot of people think he's a really safe player to take. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.000 And that's why I just can't. Okay that to me, 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.520 that's my best case. Give me the tape, the best 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.679 the best case scenario would be Rap at fifty eight, 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.199 and I will take I will take that Trayvion Williams 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.600 at ninety. Yeah, will I will hit that running back 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.520 at nine. I will absolutely do that. I know, like 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.400 I feel like I'm betraying you because like we I know, 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.480 but he's just he's an all around guy, like you know, Okay, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.880 he can step right in if he needed to and 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.880 be if great. If I can't hit Rap at fifty eight, 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.920 I'll go. I'll go with Hill, I'll take the def 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.440 and to tackle it. I'll take him at fifty eight, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.119 and I'm gonna I'm just gonna bank that he'll be 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.000 part of the rotation. You know, he's got power to him. 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.960 I love the way he plays behind the line of scrimmage. 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.840 But why not. It's gonna be probably an early It's 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:15.480 gonna be a little bit of a reach for me, 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.199 you know, a little bit of a reach there at 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.640 fifty eight. But you know what, if I can't get him, 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.160 the best defensive tackle available I think at that time 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.000