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Speaker 2: as always. Jenison Jones hosted vid Dragonfly Jones.

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Speaker 3: Aka Tyler everybody have a good jet throw.

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Speaker 3: Motherfucking Mike?

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Speaker 1: Prop up the volume raizor why why Why Pop up

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Speaker 1: the Volume pump it up. Wasn't that that was his

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Speaker 3: That was a whole Who was that? Who was that.

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Speaker 1: The jail? Hey, that's kind of a vi man. Take

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Speaker 1: I take that back. That got this thing? That was

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Speaker 1: the jail? Yeah, everybody on the man by thank my

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Speaker 1: Dayually what got on? I gotta take that back. Don't

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Speaker 1: shut out.

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Speaker 4: Everyone under dirty is like, what the fuck are they?

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Speaker 4: They don't make anymore. That's why they don't. Don't make

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Speaker 4: no use your booty on the dance floor, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Make my dame motherfucker? All right?

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Speaker 2: Hooms to among us, is the most tired of hearing

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Speaker 2: about Damian Lillard's uh intentions or not intentions? Raise your

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Speaker 2: hand if you're the most tired.

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Speaker 4: I got, I got a fucking Okay, look I want

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Speaker 4: to I want to preface this saying I love Dame.

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Speaker 4: He's a really good dude, salad guy. We all love day, right,

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Speaker 4: But I'm tired of this ship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I am. I am.

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Speaker 3: I am done with the back and forth with that.

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Speaker 3: Am I staying in my going?

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Speaker 4: I got an alert today from the ESPN app about

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Speaker 4: how mad Dog is tired of Dame, Like that's where

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Speaker 4: we're at. With this day, we're getting alerts about how

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Speaker 4: motherfuckers are tired of it, right, Like I thought it

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Speaker 4: was an update. I thought the trade it happened. It's like, nah, Bro,

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Speaker 4: mad Dog is just sick of his ship. And I

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Speaker 4: was like the god damn, like, how much are we

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Speaker 4: gonna milk this ship?

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Speaker 3: Bro? I just I don't know where dame is?

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the whole running joke we've had.

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Speaker 4: Is run from the grind go somewhere, you know, go

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Speaker 4: to a contender. You know, I think you've proven yourself enough,

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Speaker 4: you know, to to the trail Blades. I think he's

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Speaker 4: the greatest Trailblades ever, not perhaps the best player to

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Speaker 4: where that jersey is I know, yeah, but you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean, right, but for sure, But but yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's it's just it's just Bro, like, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like a part of the way that

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Speaker 4: he's moving is kind of, you know, a reactionary measure

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Speaker 4: to how toxic the dialogue is around the NBA, where

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Speaker 4: you know he probably has to you know, kind of

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Speaker 4: frame it like he reluctantly had to leave or else

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Speaker 4: he's gonna get called a bandwagoner, you know, a fucking

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Speaker 4: you know, all your legacy's in the trash now ring Chaser, right.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's probably a part of the reason

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Speaker 4: why he's playing it the way he is.

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Speaker 3: But but I'm just like, bro, you just got to

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Speaker 3: pick a side. Man, Do you want out or do

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Speaker 3: you want to stay?

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty evident he wants shout, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, And and he's one out. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. But like you said, it's just toxic.

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Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, This boy he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to hear the whole world throw his words in

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Speaker 1: his face. At the time he meant that shit, things change,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And now he has to

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Speaker 1: change change his mind. It makes sense. But there's no

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Speaker 1: space for that in basketball. There's no space for that

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Speaker 1: on the internet, you know what I'm saying. It's unfortunate,

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Speaker 1: but I mean it's it's it's tiring hearing them back

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Speaker 1: and forth. You know, I got ball sacked yesterday because

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Speaker 1: I saw somebody talking about HM. Last night, I got

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Speaker 1: bossed somebody. Somebody posted him like he's finally he's somebody

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Speaker 1: I got t bag. You've been sacked, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I said it to my Trailblazer homie

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Speaker 1: and he was like, dude, dude, say you know like

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Speaker 1: and I realized it was fake somebody posted it on

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Speaker 1: the Instagram. But anyway, yeah, man, like it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: making decision my g and and and and the real

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Speaker 1: ones will respect it. And you're not gonna make you

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Speaker 1: got clown for staying. You'll get clown relieving NASA's internet,

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Speaker 1: just lean into it.

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Speaker 2: Our friend Nate Jones Front of the show, has been

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Speaker 2: on a couple of times obviously connected with Dame. You know,

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Speaker 2: he had a tweet and I take him in his

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Speaker 2: word that he said, you know, one thing about Damian

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Speaker 2: Lillard is that's not someone who is spending a lot

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Speaker 2: of time worrying about public perception. And I think it's

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Speaker 2: easy to like my read on it was exactly what

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Speaker 2: John's was. He was so loud, and you know of

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Speaker 2: his conviction about no, I'm not going to leave Portland

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Speaker 2: just to go try and chase a ring that maybe

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Speaker 2: he wants to do it. I think, you know, based

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Speaker 2: on what Nate was saying, because I that's not I

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Speaker 2: don't think that's like image control. I kind of take

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Speaker 2: him at his word on that. I think he's just

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Speaker 2: genuinely torn. And because of the way that media is,

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Speaker 2: we're hearing about that. Like I know every time I

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Speaker 2: have my wife with charl would tell you she gets

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Speaker 2: sick of it.

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Speaker 1: If I have a.

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Speaker 2: Professional decision to make, I'm a I think things through

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Speaker 2: to it a very absurd love. I'm thinking about what's

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Speaker 2: this look like tomorrow, What's this look like in a week,

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Speaker 2: What's it look like in a month, What's it looked

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Speaker 2: kids graduate high school twelve years from now? Like that's

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Speaker 2: how And so I go through, you know, like pros

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Speaker 2: and cons lit like all this kind of stuff I'll

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Speaker 2: take forever, and then when I make a decision, I'm

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Speaker 2: really certain that I'm right. If Chris Haynes was reporting

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Speaker 2: my thought process around anything the three of us have

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Speaker 2: done together professionally around my day job, people would be

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Speaker 2: sick of me too.

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Speaker 1: But that's why would have pulled up to your house

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Speaker 1: and had a conversation, which you mighty dog he's tying

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Speaker 1: to shut the first talk. Let's get this over with

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, and I just think that's like, we

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Speaker 2: want more info. The internet is hungry for it. We're

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Speaker 2: all saying now we're sick of it. I'm sick of

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Speaker 2: the story too, But also everyone wants to know what

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Speaker 2: Dame's gonna do.

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Speaker 1: He's a great player story man, you know. So I

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Speaker 1: get it.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, yes, like I would like to,

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Speaker 2: I wish you could do one more Boollian search term

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Speaker 2: on muting subjects. So I wish I could be like

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Speaker 2: mute Damian Lillard unless finalized, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I hope he does leave. Though I hope he does leave,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I would love to see

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Speaker 1: him on a contender, playing with that Miami squad with

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Speaker 1: a hell of a coach and a solid ass squad

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Speaker 1: around him. I think basically all they're giving up is

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Speaker 1: what Tyler hero and who else is I you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, but I'm yeah, I mean, it'll

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Speaker 1: still be they're keeping the core of that squad, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So they're not giving everything up

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Speaker 1: to get Dame. So I would love to see him

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Speaker 1: on that squad man. I mean, I don't get to

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Speaker 1: watch on we don't get Nobody gets to watch a

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Speaker 1: lot of Portland games unless you're in Portland, you feel me,

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Speaker 1: because they're so bad, they're not televihied that much. So

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see a bunch of Dame playing for

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Speaker 1: a great Miami Heat team, you know, for something that

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Speaker 1: you know later in the season.

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Speaker 4: I think that you know, Dame could very well not

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Speaker 4: give a fuck about what people think about him. But

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Speaker 4: I think that you know, I'm speaking to someone who

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Speaker 4: does not give a fuck about what stranger motherfuckers thinking

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Speaker 4: about it?

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Speaker 1: Right, confirm that this man does not give a fuck

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Speaker 1: what you think.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, but but there's also a part where you

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Speaker 4: still want, you know, to control your story. You still

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Speaker 4: want the facts to be out there life like, like,

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Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck what you think about me.

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Speaker 4: But but but bro, if you're thinking some wrong shit,

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Speaker 4: if you got your facts fucked up, I might have to, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, step in and be like, nah, bro, that

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Speaker 4: ain't it right? And and I think that's probably you know,

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Speaker 4: the back and forth of that name's happened here. I

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Speaker 4: think he very well probably doesn't give a fuck about

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Speaker 4: when people think about him. But I think he also wants,

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Speaker 4: you know, like I said, to control the story, like

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Speaker 4: like he wants the facts to be out there and

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Speaker 4: you think about think about him. However, you think about

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Speaker 4: him once you once the facts are there, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like, it's the same shit with KD. Right,

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Speaker 4: Like when KD was on the burner, you never saw

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Speaker 4: him defending how good of a basketball player he was

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Speaker 4: because he knew that was a silly fucking argument.

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Speaker 3: He didn't give a fuck about that.

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Speaker 4: He only defended like bro, I couldn't win an okay see,

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Speaker 4: those are the only tweets from his burner, Like I

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Speaker 4: could not win with those guys y'all are framing this

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Speaker 4: like like like, okay, see was a legit championship contender.

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Speaker 4: We were not gonna get you know, out the West

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Speaker 4: with with the that roster, like that was the only

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Speaker 4: time KD was active on the burners there. Like I said,

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Speaker 4: I think KD is someone who also really doesn't give

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Speaker 4: a fuck about what people think about it, but he

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Speaker 4: wants people to have their shit right about right, you

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Speaker 4: know the facts about him. So so yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: Kim and dam are kind of like cup from that

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Speaker 4: same cloth.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 1: Kd's gonna call you the P word from his official account, now.

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Speaker 3: Call the P word.

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Speaker 1: I think that's my greatest flaw. It's like in an

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Speaker 1: argument where you know, like I made, it's okay for

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Speaker 1: you to think I'm an asshole. Maybe I am being

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Speaker 1: an asshole, you know what I mean, But here is

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Speaker 1: the actual information, you know what I mean, And I

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Speaker 1: like argue like, no, this is what actually happened, and

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Speaker 1: maybe I was being an asshole in but I want

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Speaker 1: you to go have the exact facts, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I think that's like I won't argue

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Speaker 2: And that means they have like someone listening to this

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Speaker 1: Hey man, little trip to Phoenix with little guy stripping

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Speaker 2: Like? I do think this is kind of for all

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Speaker 1: It's good. It's gonna be a really big change though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know that they've got four super Max

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Speaker 4: That was not a vote of confidence.

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Speaker 4: That's like if Ayton was really your guy and you

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Speaker 3: So it's just I mean, I'm I am.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was talking about John Collins in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean, Katie and Bradley players

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what are you gonna do this year? You

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Speaker 1: with this CBA. It's just you can't. It's that they're doing.

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Speaker 1: This is Keith Smith, NBA's cap numbers.

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Speaker 2: You got seven million dollars to sign half of the

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Speaker 2: the ripple effects that this has on the league going forward.

435
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 2: But I think, first of all, you know, the the

436
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,919
Speaker 2: NFL has a hard cap, and they're sort of unique

437
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 2: in that regard. Right, you talk about professional soccer overseas

438
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. Hey, bro, you want to throw a

439
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 2: billion dollars of these players, throw a billion dollars at

440
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 2: these players? Congrats, Like that's gonna be fun. The NFL

441
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 2: is a hard cap. That's why you don't see for

442
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 2: Super Bowls in a row whatever whatever, Right, Like you

443
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 2: can do well and put together something like the Chiefs do.

444
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,440
Speaker 2: But Travis Kelsey's talking about, yeah, he knows he could

445
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,399
Speaker 2: probably get another ten million dollars a year if he

446
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 2: went somewhere else. But he values winning enough to be

447
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 2: a super rich dude who wins Super Bowls. Like that's

448
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 2: his choice that he's making. But you have to find

449
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,680
Speaker 2: someone who has the talent to be a top level

450
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,360
Speaker 2: player and happens to have that personality if you're trying

451
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 2: to put together a long term contender.

452
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Speaker 1: In the NFL.

453
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 2: Right, So, the NBA to me, and this is why

454
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 2: I said, I don't understand why the Players' Association did

455
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 2: not kick up a bigger stink about this. You're the

456
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 2: league that's driven by players. I mean we've talked about

457
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 2: this something the show before. Vinie's friends aren't fans of teams.

458
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 2: They're not fans of teams. I mean that's like I'm following.

459
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five nigga, bro, you know what I'm saying.

460
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: They're fans of players, right, like they follow players on

461
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 2: ig At this point, like by the time Bronni gets

462
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 2: to the league, he's gonna have, however many million people

463
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: who've been following since he was since he was in

464
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 2: high school. Whatever team he happens to play for, cool,

465
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Bronny. That's the way it is right, right,

466
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 2: and that is the league that turned that. Like, you know,

467
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: this league did not have a they had a luxury tax.

468
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: If you're willing to spend the money, you spend the money,

469
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: build whatever TeV you want, build it, have this decade,

470
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 2: have your logo stamped on it, whatever. And the Players'

471
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: Association handed that over to the owners. They handed that,

472
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 2: They handed that fundamental change over to the owners. I

473
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 2: didn't see a fight over it. I didn't see them

474
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: kick a stink up before it happened. And so to

475
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: me from the outside, it looks like they got one

476
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: pulled over on him. That's what it looks like. You know,

477
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: like you let the owners fundamentally change your league to

478
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: take this power away from players without having the fight

479
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 2: in public in a way that people could see that

480
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 2: you were aware of what was going on and pushing back.

481
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, who's the lawyer that's representing him.

482
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Speaker 1: Is this the same one that got the luxy tax

483
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: that or that negotiated the one prior? I know who

484
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: the head of the NBA p A is on the

485
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 1: player's side. That's that's right.

486
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 3: What the fun was.

487
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he got cooked. But I'm just saying like,

488
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean CJ is a hooper. I mean he's smart,

489
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,479
Speaker 1: but he's not the person, you know, I mean, right,

490
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Speaker 1: he's not the he's not the guy that understands the

491
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, the the law right you have Actually actually, yeah,

492
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: he probably had to get second April explain to him

493
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,959
Speaker 1: like I did you know what I'm saying? Like, right,

494
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 1: so you know, And is that a theater term that's

495
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: been reappropriated for losshit? Was that second apron or is

496
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 1: that just a law term. It's a lead. I mean,

497
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: it's it can who's who's who's who.

498
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Speaker 2: It can serve as both. Tamika Tremaglio is the executive

499
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Speaker 2: director of the n b p A who is in

500
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 2: charge of the negotiation, et cetera, et cetera. And it

501
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 2: seems like a great story. I remember reading profiles about

502
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: her when she came up, you know. But again, and

503
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm not like, I don't know, I'm not I'm not

504
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: reporting on the fucking n b p A, CBA negotiations.

505
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: I'm just saying from the outside, this is a huge

506
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 2: change to be made. You would have expected to have

507
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: seen Chris Paul Lebron James giving press you know, in

508
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: press conferences talking about no, this is bullshit. Players want

509
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: we want to maintain the control we've earned, et cetera,

510
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera.

511
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Speaker 4: So I don't know's it's just, you know, I hate

512
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 4: that this new CBA and I hate that it's pushed back.

513
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Speaker 3: From the way that the Warriors built their dynasty. And

514
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 3: I say that as a Warriors hater, you know, I'm

515
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 3: very clear of that. But but the thing is, like

516
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: the Warriors, they gave.

517
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Speaker 4: Us the greatest dynasty building NBA history, and it feels

518
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 4: like and they they quote unquote, did it the right way.

519
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 4: Like whenever you say, you know, how does a team

520
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 4: go from you know, a seller driller to a champion?

521
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 4: You know, they Golden State followed that fucking form right,

522
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 4: that blueprint right, Like they say, draft, well, make your

523
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 4: draft picks count. Okay, they nailed the fucking draft, right.

524
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Speaker 4: They drafted the two best shooters of all time and

525
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: the fucking greatest defender of this era, perhaps right, And

526
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 4: they say, have a competent front office that can get

527
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 4: trades done. They traded for gods like Livingston, you know, Igodala,

528
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 4: you know, eight plus there two and become an attractive

529
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Speaker 4: destination so you can lure free agency. Well, you know,

530
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 4: they got Kevin fucking Durant because of that, right, Like

531
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 4: they built that dynasty the way that everyone says you're

532
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 4: supposed to build an NBA dynasty. They just did that

533
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 4: shit on steroids, you know what I mean. It feels

534
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 4: they're getting penalized for it. And I hate that shit.

535
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 4: And like I said, even as a Golden State Warriors hater,

536
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 4: I hate that this is the pushback that comes from that.

537
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Speaker 1: I hate that we're talking about the CBA. You know,

538
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: it's bad if it got to the point where we're discussing, yeah,

539
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: because we will avoid that at all costs, you know

540
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, when nobody's talking about it, that's

541
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: when you did what you're supposed to do. At least

542
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 1: it doesn't get down to, you know, the point when

543
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: we're like, you know, the Warriors did it the right way, guys,

544
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: and look what you know, come on, man, But yeah,

545
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: I don't know.

546
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: And you know, look, I'm not I'm not neck deep

547
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: in basketball media in the offseason, so maybe people are

548
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: talking about I'm just it's just surprising to me, Like,

549
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna get to November and people are

550
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 2: gonna be making jokes about how bad the Sun's bench is.

551
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: And I don't see that many content creators talking about

552
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: why that's going to be the case, right, and why

553
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: it's going to be the case for the Celtics if

554
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: they try and keep their superstars like it. Also, the other,

555
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: the other last thing I would make on this point,

556
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: because Tyler brought it up, you're also making it harder

557
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: for teams to hang on to guys that they draft

558
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: who turn into superstars, you know what I mean, Like,

559
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 2: there are still some advantages in terms of what they

560
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: can pay guys, but yeah, look at the Celtics. You're

561
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: gonna have to look at Tatum and Brown and go.

562
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, if we want the ability to

563
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: sign like KCP, I don't know that we're gonna be

564
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: able to hang onto all of our homegrown guys.

565
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Speaker 1: So which was created for parody, right, you know what

566
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean? And you're taking and you're you, yeah, come on, man,

567
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: let's talk about last sports topic.

568
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: But you know, we I realized we had actually a

569
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: good conversation about this, but it was on another show

570
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: and I thought we may as well have it on

571
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: our show. Uh, the NFL later today is expect, according

572
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: to Adam Schefter, expected to issue a season long suspension

573
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: to Isaiah Rogers Colts cornerback, as well as a quote

574
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: a handful of NFL players. They're gonna get a season

575
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: long suspension for gaming, allegedly, according to Adam Schefter. And

576
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Speaker 2: you know, we talked, we talked about this on the Favorites,

577
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: but you know, I thought it was worth having the

578
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: conversation here. I, first of all, interesting story. I think

579
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: it's personally fucked up that these guys are making so

580
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: many people billions of dollars off of gambling, but that

581
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: if they are gambling, it is like a season long

582
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 2: suspension in the NFL is hard to get.

583
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not going to.

584
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 2: Go down the list, but it's a lot of people

585
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: who have done objectively much worse shit than gambling when

586
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to, who have not gotten a season

587
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: long suspension from the NFL. So I personally, what I

588
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: pitched on the Favorites is each team should have an

589
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: ombudsman or a clearinghouse guy. It would basically be a

590
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: bookie that just has a register of like, hey man, yeah,

591
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: these guys can bet on baseball and basketball and college

592
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: sports or whatever else that every other person in the

593
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: country can gamble on. Can't get maybe can't gamble on

594
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 2: the NFL certainly can't get on your own team obviously,

595
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: but like you could get suspended for a year for

596
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: having an account on one of the you know, with

597
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: one of these services, and I as we're turning professional

598
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: sports into a legalized gambling money machine, it just kind

599
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 2: of seems insane to me that, like if the players

600
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: even acknowledge that it exists, that it's frowned upon, and

601
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: that if they participate in what so many of my

602
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 2: friends participate in, they're out for a year. But what

603
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: what do you guys think? Do we need to have

604
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: a thick wall up between this shit or is it

605
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: bullshit to expect them to make everyone else money but

606
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: not be able to bet twenty dollars on a parlay

607
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: or whatever?

608
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean?

609
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: I I think that we all knew that this was

610
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: how it was going to go if if guys got

611
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: caught you know, gambling, right like these are these guys

612
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: are the ones who are being made examples out of

613
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 4: And I think that this is how you know, any

614
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 4: sports league has to move. You know, when when when

615
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 4: this gets brought to light because you know, with with

616
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 4: the with the intermingling of gambling and sports people who

617
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: are there's people who are questioning, you know, the integrity.

618
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, it's the fix in now, right like,

619
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: And you can't have that. You cannot have have athletes

620
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 4: who are actively gambling and then going out there and

621
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: playing right like. You can't have some Pete Rose shoeless

622
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 4: Joe Jackson bullshit happening with your league.

623
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 3: So so yeah, so.

624
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 4: You know, I I think it's extreme because I don't

625
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: think these guys who are gambling, you know, getting these

626
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 4: little three league parlays and shit, are out there intentionally

627
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: throwing games to try to make that shit happen. I

628
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 4: don't think it's it's it's that case. But like I said,

629
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 4: they've got to make examples out of this, you know,

630
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: for for the viewing public out here, for the fans,

631
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 4: to let them know that that yeah, you know, we're

632
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: in the bed with with with Vegas and gambling now,

633
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: but that's not going to impact the integrity and and

634
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: and that's how they're coming down with this iron fist

635
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: on these guys now, just to kind of hammer that

636
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 4: point on.

637
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're a governing body, you have to protect

638
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: the integrity of the game, and that brings that into

639
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: a question. But like you said, Mike, I think that

640
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if there is gambling, you know what I mean,

641
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: if we can, hey, we can, we can prove that,

642
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: you know that there's not gambling amongst the players that

643
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: are like the games they're playing and shit like that,

644
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: and they're not They're not affecting you know, their dollars

645
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: by fucking some shit up, you know what I'm saying.

646
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: So if there's a way to do it that protects

647
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: the integrity, but like if you like in this situation,

648
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: you have to respond in that way. You have to

649
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: respond in that way, you know, to protect the brands

650
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: and building. It does suck, and it does seem like

651
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: a lot compared to like a lot of other things

652
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: people are getting away with. I think you can commit

653
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: a homicide and not get a year in the NFL,

654
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you know what I'm

655
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: saying literally true. I mean, you don't gotta speak to it.

656
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: We don't got to speak to it. But but yeah,

657
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, all right, makes sense? Yeah,

658
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.

659
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: I'll be curious to see how that changes or doesn't

660
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: change going forward. I'm surprised. I mean, I guess the

661
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: gambling companies feel like the players participating in the sports

662
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: do enough to build their brand. I guess what's surprising

663
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: to me is it feels like you would want players

664
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: participating in a way that's like can you beat Lebron

665
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: James's NFL parlay?

666
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: Right?

667
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 3: Like?

668
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: It seems to me that they would sort of be

669
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: a natural extension of that, but they would need to

670
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: figure out a way to put that, uh that wall up,

671
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: I guess in order to do that. Okay, let's talk

672
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: about we got some sillybillity topics. John sent this to

673
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: the group chat, and I want to talk about it.

674
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: John sent kids there's a study that says kids misbehave

675
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: oh okay, eight hundred percent more around their mothers than

676
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: they do around their fathers. And I haven't read the study,

677
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: but I'm curious for whatever other info you have about that.

678
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: John, I didn't read this study. I just saw the video,

679
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: and I mean I didn't read it because me, I've

680
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: been speaking with y'all about this for like months where

681
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, like I said, I'll be in there doing

682
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: the dishes and here, you know, rather playing with some

683
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: of I'm like, that's a different kid, you know what

684
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I just think the expectations they have of

685
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: their mom are higher. And I just I knew I

686
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: saw it. But and me and Rather talked about it too,

687
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: where like some people come and just to chill on

688
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,239
Speaker 1: my loup and I will just be talking on some

689
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: just really peaceful ship, and and Rather says, she literally

690
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: never does that with me. She's like she just wants

691
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: rather in a in a in totality in such a

692
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: different way than me, you know what I mean, Like

693
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: and so.

694
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 4: In like a transactional do sh it for me way

695
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 4: or No, it's not even it's like you know, interaction

696
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: like she needs when when Rother's with her, she needs interaction,

697
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

698
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: She her responses to two things or are are are

699
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: much more on the on like the like much more extreme,

700
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, yay or crying, you know what

701
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying. For me, she's just more even killed. And

702
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was because of my personality, but

703
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm not that even killed y'all. You know what I mean,

704
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: I can be really goofy and also I'm really like

705
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: raw with Sny and ship, but like you know, for

706
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: for me, like it's interesting with when when with Sony,

707
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: I can say, Sony, look at me and to go,

708
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: she'll breathe and calm herself down right, Rather can't do

709
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: that like she'll rather she'll be like, no, I'm not

710
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: calming down, mommy. You're here. Make me feel safe, you

711
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. For me, I could be like, hey, Sony,

712
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 1: take some deep breast relaxed, It's okay. It's just like

713
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: she expects rather to do all the things that like

714
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: self soothing and all that. No, that's my mommy needs

715
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: to do that. I'm not gonna you know what I mean.

716
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: For me, it seems like she's more independent when she's

717
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: around me and I don't. And it's and it's not

718
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: just me and I and I talking to people about

719
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: it and they said the same thing. But hearing like

720
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: reading that, I was like, it makes more sense because

721
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: she expects so much more. And I know me were

722
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: talking about Mike. We're talking about like, you know, the

723
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: the Disney World trips where I take so Me out.

724
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: I have a fucking ball like I love. I take

725
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: so Me everywhere I go to, like fucking I go shopping.

726
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: I just throw on my shoulders and we fucking kicking,

727
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And she's just chilling and

728
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: you know something, she don't want to talk to somebody.

729
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: She just turned her head and just laying on the

730
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: daddy's shoulder, you know what I mean. For rather like

731
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: she needs like snacks done, Manna. You know what I'm saying.

732
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: It's just like mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy. And for me,

733
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: it's just like we just homies kicking it. That's my road, doog,

734
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So there's just something different

735
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: with what kids expect. And that was just interesting that

736
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: was put in like a numerical value, you know what

737
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 1: I mean, where eight hundred times because I was like

738
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like to be to be honest, I remember, like,

739
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, rather talking about how tired she was and

740
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: she had sawn me alone, and I'm you know, I'm

741
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: thinking like damn, nigga, Like you know what I'm saying,

742
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: It's not that big of a deal, you know what

743
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: I mean. You know, I'm that's how far i'ma go.

744
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: You know, what were the same you know, the same

745
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: thing in my house and I and I know that, Yeah,

746
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: tread carefully because you know that you know.

747
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: That that's not coming from a negative place at all.

748
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: It's like that's a place I'm like, I'm just this

749
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: is I'm really tired, Like I need a little break

750
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: when y'all when I get to the crib and I'm thinking,

751
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: like when I I don't, I don't be feeling that way.

752
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: But when I paid attention to how Sony acts, when

753
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: you know she's alone individual, like, damn, I'd be tired

754
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: as fuck too. You know if that was a baby

755
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: girl that I had to deal with, you know, on

756
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: a regular basis, and and and and rather it's on

757
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: me be having a ball together. Yeah, yeah, of course.

758
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: But it's just so much. I mean, like I mean, like,

759
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: brother's an incredible fucking mom, like one hundred out of ten, bro,

760
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: you feel me, And I'm thinking like damn, But but

761
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: it's not just that she's that is that it's that's

762
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: what's expected out of her. And I can kind of

763
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: just chill unless some me do her thing when we're together,

764
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: and it's not a big deal. And it's just really

765
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: interesting to see the difference that and you know, and

766
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: it made it made me approach and live different, Like Okay,

767
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: I said, i'm'na be home with this, how money to

768
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: do? You'll here get home? Because I know so may probably

769
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, tap dancing on them right now?

770
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

771
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: I think it's a I think it's one of those things,

772
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: like a lot of parenting deals, where you can see

773
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: it from a bunch of different sides and everyone will

774
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: be correct. Like I would say, you mentioned those big

775
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: outside trips. So you know, both my kids were home

776
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: with me during the day until they were two and

777
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: they went to preschool, and I would take them to

778
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: do we got Disneyland passes we couldn't afford. I would

779
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: take them to Disneyland on Tuesdays every week.

780
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: That was our thing.

781
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: We get up, we get out, we go to Disneyland.

782
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 2: So when it was just Vinnie, it was just Vinnie.

783
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: When it was Vinnie and Maya, it was the two

784
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: of them, and people would always be like, you're taking

785
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: them both, like that's crazy, you know, it's two on

786
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: one or whatever. And I had the same experience as you,

787
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: I was like, we're having we're having fun.

788
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: Bro, Yeah, outside parents a way easier to say no, no, no,

789
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: the house, you know. But I think you.

790
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: Make a point, and this is where I think that

791
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: seeing it from two ways comes in. If shar took

792
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: them to Disneyland by herself, it's exactly what you say.

793
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: She has the exact right amount of snacks for each

794
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: of them. She has the snacks that one of them

795
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: likes that the other one doesn't like. And she's putting

796
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: that expectation on her step because she does that. That's

797
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: the expectation that she sets for the kids. Kids know, Oh,

798
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: we go out with dad, Yeah, he might not remember

799
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: to bring the food, so we might be hungry for

800
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: an hour at the end of the Digneyland trip, right like.

801
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: But that's that.

802
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: But we had a lot of fun and then we

803
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: came home and we ate. So that's what their expectation

804
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: levels at.

805
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Now.

806
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: From my perspective, I would go, yeah, Like, I don't

807
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: think it's a big deal if the kids are like

808
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: upset or they're hungry for like, it's just like that's

809
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: part of life, Like they're gonna you know, I'm hungry

810
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: for an hour sometimes too. That's the skill you're gonna

811
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: need to learn. So except you could be hungry and

812
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: the food will come later, you know. And but at

813
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: the same time, you could look at it from you know,

814
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: from a different perspective and go, well, obviously, Shar's being

815
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 2: more prepared, you know what I mean, Like she's doing

816
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: a better job in many regards by keeping those things

817
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: in mind, et cetera, et cetera. So it's kind of interesting.

818
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: Like again, I think I could come at it from

819
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: my perspective. You could come at it from a different perpective.

820
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: I don't think there's like a right or wrong there,

821
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: but I can't. I do think that that kind of

822
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: thinking applies to a lot of particularly obviously for the

823
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: male and female parent households.

824
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: Friends of ours.

825
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: We do have friends, you know, we do have same

826
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: sex friends who are parents. And I'm kind of curious,

827
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: like it's sort of it kind of made me like interesting,

828
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: like is this a gender role thing, right to where

829
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: like our our.

830
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: Friends, that you come out the womb having gender role

831
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: expectations for.

832
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: Your right or like within a or like within you know,

833
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: like our like our we have friends who are lesbians.

834
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: Is like one of them tends to be more masculine

835
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: and do more of the quote unquote masculine type stuff

836
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: like regarding like fixing up a house or something. Are

837
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: they is that the parent who then naturally is like

838
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm not that worried about the snacks or you know,

839
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I don't know, I'm.

840
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: Interested because rather has a friend that's a lesbian couple

841
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: that they both had. One had a kid and then

842
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: the other had like twins, like it just happened to

843
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: have twins, but like Jesus, and it was just like

844
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: the one that was half size that had the twins,

845
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: and like all.

846
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: These hits listen anyway, but listen, one of the worst

847
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: breaks out there is you're playing on having two kids

848
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: and the second.

849
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: One is twins.

850
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: It's like because the first time you're like, okay.

851
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: So they went from one to three kids in Brooklyn.

852
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: Then you know what I'm saying, like we're like, you know,

853
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: you live on a level, you know you have one anyway,

854
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: but but they thugging it out. But I'm wondering if

855
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: the parent you know that had the baby has the

856
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: higher expectations, you know, depending on So that's a lot

857
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: of questions there, but you do make great points like yes,

858
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: I don't like Sony. Sony get one of the one

859
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: of our moods and I kind of chuckle it off,

860
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: like you okay, baby, it's gonna be okay, and it'll

861
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: just be tweaking and I'll be like, I'll be like,

862
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: all right, look at this. I'll be sitting in my head.

863
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, I go ahead, do you

864
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: do your thing? And Rather's like, you know, swoops in

865
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: you know once, so you know, like there was there

866
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: was something where uh where Rather's Rather's auntie said something

867
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: that saw me, and Rather was like, you know, I

868
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: don't she she wanted to make sure that Sony knew

869
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: that she didn't do something wrong. She was like, you know,

870
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: I just I just don't want her to think she

871
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: did anything wrong. And I do get that, but it

872
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: in that situation, like she's protective in a particular right

873
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: right as a mom. You know what I'm saying, and

874
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to make sure like Sony, it's okay

875
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: for you to do that. But I mean, in that moment,

876
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: it didn't like it's it's it's she She has some

877
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: real expectations on her that I don't put on myself

878
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: that will make it harder for her to be the

879
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: parents she wants to be for sure, So me lucky

880
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: as hell. Yeah, you know what I mean.

881
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: If you end up with two parents who are thinking

882
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: about the right way to parent, you lucked out right.

883
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: My parents were like, is this the right approach to take?

884
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: Your mom thinks about what she you know, and your

885
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: dad is just there. You're you know you want you

886
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: hit the lottery. Nigga? You know what I'm saying. All right,

887
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: let's stay on babies.

888
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: Jackson sent us a TikTok of a mom discussing new

889
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: wave Generation Z baby boy.

890
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: Names that are very alarming. And I believe actually.

891
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: You've you've transcribed the TikTok for us. Can you please

892
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: share some of these names?

893
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 5: I have these. I want to be clear because they

894
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 5: TikTok creator also was clear.

895
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: Here and the producer of the show trying to figure

896
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: out how to get his audio to connect.

897
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Can you not hear me? I hear him? I here.

898
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm so happy.

899
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you.

900
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: I can hear him. You can I can hear him? Yeah? Yeah,

901
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: you can't hear him? Something going on? Something you can't

902
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: hear us. You can't hear us, my I guess, go ahead.

903
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 5: Jackson, the tables.

904
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: I can't hear ship. Oh god, go ahead, go ahead.

905
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 5: This is real content Amazon.

906
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

907
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: I don't know why this is happening. My headphones are

908
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: sucked up. I'm not getting sound out of my headphones.

909
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: Could you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. You

910
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: can hear so, we can't. We can hear you? Yeah?

911
00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: Can you go ahead?

912
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 5: And can't hear us?

913
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: When I plug the headphones in which I just did,

914
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: I can't hear you, so I can't hear anything.

915
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: And then if I take the headphones out of headphones

916
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: might be day, it might be Yeah. How do we Jackson?

917
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: This is off the top of the I mean you

918
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: have any other headphones? You have another set? This is yeah, yes,

919
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: slack them in a good chat. Let me see you

920
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: have another set, my brother. Hello, we're good.

921
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 5: Well now I can't hear you.

922
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: You're mute it.

923
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 5: You're just mut it on zoom right now.

924
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: You just mute yourself. Yeah? Can we cant you hear us? Now?

925
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: I can hear you? Oh wow, weird?

926
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 5: Okay, we're back man, man. That was a trick.

927
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: I tried.

928
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: Anyway, We're gonna keep that all into the corn try

929
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: and I kicked myself firmly in the butt hole.

930
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

931
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: Thank you.

932
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: By of the Week, my garden Basia.

933
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 5: It's Mike.

934
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

935
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: Anyways, anyway, the baby names, the creator wanted to make clear,

936
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 5: so I'm going to try to make clear. These are

937
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 5: not the most popular names. These are names that have

938
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 5: like had a big jump from like a thousands a

939
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 5: thousand threting name to like two hundredth names. They're names

940
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 5: that are trending in the direction of be coming more.

941
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: These are the these are the Raptor analytics most highly efficient.

942
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 5: And this is this is for boys for boys names.

943
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 5: She did a list for girls names apparently as well,

944
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: but I only had the list of boys names. Here

945
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: are the seven trending up boys names, right, yes, first

946
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 5: one Dunton d U T T. That's apparently it's a

947
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 5: character in the show Yellowstone, which is very popular.

948
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: Sound that sounds like that sounds like a piece of meat,

949
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like not even a

950
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: good cut of steak, you know what I mean?

951
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 5: Like name number two Coulter c O. L T E. R.

952
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: God, this is a that's a mall ligo graphic. Yeah,

953
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: but that but that's these are some very white names

954
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: right now. Name am I saying that there's this isn't

955
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: everybody get that same gist? So far? I agree with you.

956
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 5: The number three Tao te O, like man Ti, Taoka, Benn.

957
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: He's got a home name Tayo.

958
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 3: See see it's not it's not weird.

959
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 4: Fuck with Tayo, but it's it feels very you know,

960
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 4: Pacific Island, the and I would never name my kid,

961
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 4: but you know, hey, that ain't never stop white people.

962
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 3: So white people some appropriate.

963
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: Motherfucker, right Vinnie's friend that goes by Tayo. Where's a

964
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: Mexican flag sleeve when he's batting on the baseball team,

965
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? But like, but I can

966
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: see that being a co opted name.

967
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 5: Name number four on the list, Madden like John John

968
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 5: Matt like John Madden.

969
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not I'm not mad at that. I'm

970
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: not mad at that. I'm not mad at the first two.

971
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: We're just bad.

972
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 5: The trouble with Madden is your nickname. The shortened version

973
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 5: is just mad.

974
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: It's mad.

975
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: I know, mad, think of a maid a white kid

976
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: and a Samoan kid I know who have the name Madden.

977
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, seems like it's a very you know, you know. Yeah.

978
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 5: Next one, Callahan, not very like old Celtic.

979
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that is like some that's some peaky blinder shit. Bro.

980
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: We got an Irish pub in Richmond called Callahan's and

981
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 4: their fucking Shepherd's Pie is amazing, So shout the Calahan.

982
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: I think every city has an Irish pub called Callahan.

983
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

984
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 5: Next one, this one's like a pretty It's like I

985
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 5: feel like it's been piped before. Casey, So okay, it's fine.

986
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: That's probably I sue I can see that leaning.

987
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, trending up apparently. Last one on the list Banks,

988
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 5: as in the plural of the financial institution.

989
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at banks though, no, no, no, I'm

990
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: not mad at banks.

991
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: You gotta be but a lot of these names. It's

992
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: the same thing with Dunton.

993
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: You can't be named that prior to turning forty five.

994
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: You can't be a I mean Banks, I guess actually

995
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: it's an actually like kid's name.

996
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: But also but I think Banks is more of a

997
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: nickname you could call somebody like your last name is Banks.

998
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: But I use it as that. That's not right.

999
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 5: Apparently, like pluralized first names are becoming more popular, like

1000
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 5: names with an S at the end for a first name,

1001
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 5: which I'm not into.

1002
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not.

1003
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 4: Like I said in the roof chat, these names sound

1004
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: like some fucking Red Dead Redemption gangs, bro Like it's

1005
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: cowboy culture. White people are going insane with cowboy culture

1006
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 4: right now.

1007
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I guess they gotta blame Yellowstone

1008
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: or whatever.

1009
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: The fuck or Red Dead, and you know, Red Dead

1010
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: was a hell of a game. I could understand being

1011
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: inspired by.

1012
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: The definitely crazy for Yellowstone, honest, Like, I don't even

1013
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: pay attention to the story.

1014
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: It's just a landscape.

1015
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: What's the premise of it.

1016
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 4: It's just some motherfuckers that Yellowstone Park doing Yellowstone Park

1017
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 4: shit or like rangers and shit, or.

1018
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: It actually sounds like I don't, I don't, I mean,

1019
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it sounded like it was like

1020
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: one of those TNT dramas that they would do where it's.

1021
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: Like this family is like selling drugs but they're you.

1022
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: Know, like it sounds like that, like like it's got

1023
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: one of those kind of like popy soap soap opera

1024
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: type plot, but they made it a prestige show because

1025
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: they got Kevin Costner and it you know what I mean,

1026
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: that was the vibe that I got from people talking, No.

1027
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is doing Christmas break. My black

1028
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: ass country ass family was watching that ship like for days.

1029
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: There was a fucking there was a marathon. Marathon. Yeah,

1030
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: we was. We was in Atlanta and motherfuckers just the

1031
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: old the old heads. The dude dudes was getting up

1032
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: tapping in the Yellowstone and then they wives a hop

1033
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: on like you know, kind of just what's going on,

1034
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, but they was they was fully engulfed Yellowstone.

1035
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: It's like it's almost like it's exactly what you described,

1036
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And they watch it like

1037
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: like how old people used to watch Souls Like I

1038
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: need that's they show. You know what I'm saying, You

1039
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: definitely to watch my show.

1040
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the age demographic is more important than the

1041
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 2: racial demographic, because it's definitely like in our friend group,

1042
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: the like older dads are the ones who like really

1043
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: heavily fuck with it.

1044
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. I don't know

1045
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: anybody yea, Yeah, I don't know anybody under like fifty

1046
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: five that folks with Yellowstone, you know what I'm saying.

1047
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: So well, good for them, man, I'm glad they found

1048
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: something other than like Fox News or Facebook videos about

1049
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Facebook videos about how electricity

1050
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: is secretly the devil or whatever the fuck.

1051
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: It's our parents, it's our parents' version of in the

1052
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: Heat of the Night. You know what I mean? Is this?

1053
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: Is this the way that grandparents watch that all the time?

1054
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: Right?

1055
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: Like that's what they watch the Yellowstone?

1056
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: Is that how we could fix the misinformation crisis in

1057
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: our country? Do we just need to find like better

1058
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: content for old people to watch than YouTube videos?

1059
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: They get better bad shows. Yeah, better bad shows. I

1060
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: fuck with that. Yeah. All right, that's all the time

1061
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: we got.

1062
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: We are recording Saturday episode tomorrow, so we'll see you

1063
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: guys on Saturday. Until then, hope everyone has a great

1064
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: rest of their week.

1065
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: See you soon. Bye bye,