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Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one Best Podcast Available, presented by our

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Speaker 1: great friends at Key Private Bank, First Checking Account. Gribble

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Speaker 1: that I ever had came from Key Bank and Big Bank.

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Speaker 1: Big Happy, We're on board, we have a sponsor, We've

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Speaker 1: made it, Gribbs. That's kind of how I'm feeling here

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Speaker 1: on this Thursday, nine weeks out from the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: right here in Cleveland, Ohio. Gribbs. A pleasure to have

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Speaker 1: you back and on board. Uh, the snow is melting,

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Speaker 1: life getting back to normal, and our city doesn't look

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Speaker 1: like the hawf scene out of Star Wars. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: it really is. I feel like we're turning a corner.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're getting closer and closer. And February

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Speaker 1: always flies by because you're like making plans and you're

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Speaker 1: that thing is doing March like it's no big deal,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're like, wow, next Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: it's like March three. Yeah, that it sneaks up in

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Speaker 1: our hurray. So I'm adjusting, justing. Well, the thought is beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if that's snow on the ground for

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Speaker 1: the last like four months. The one thing I'm missing

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Speaker 1: is is the road trip. I think it's that's where

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Speaker 1: this is going to drag a little bit. We're just

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Speaker 1: gonna have to keep filling the space with mock drafts.

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Speaker 1: Are our opinions that are, you know, somewhat educated, someone

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Speaker 1: not educated. But we'll keep learning more and more just

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Speaker 1: wrong on draft day. There you go, exactly. Coming up

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Speaker 1: on the program today, Ryan Wilson Draft gourgu for CBS

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Speaker 1: Sports dot Com. We'll join us. We've got a mock

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Speaker 1: draft to look at from Sports Illustrated that that is

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Speaker 1: more about what should have been combined week in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: as well. We're a few weeks out from free agency.

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Speaker 1: The franchise tags can now be applied, GRIBs, and it

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Speaker 1: will be interesting to see what a lot of teams do.

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Speaker 1: What pro day are you most interested in? My friend? Well,

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Speaker 1: through this is one thing I've learned and even sort

431
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Speaker 1: of getting ready to question there the combine whether it

432
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Speaker 1: happened or not, it wouldn't matter, but just having more

433
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Speaker 1: confidence than what you do. And I think that sort

434
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Speaker 1: of comes with with any job you're in. The more

435
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: you're in it, the more you feel more comfortable and

436
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Speaker 1: what you're doing. How are you judging the players that

437
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: didn't play last year? How has that affected what you're doing?

438
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Speaker 1: And because you're usually if there's a someone that didn't

439
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Speaker 1: play last year, it's because of an injury. But these

440
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Speaker 1: guys weren't injured. I mean, how how are you evaluating them?

441
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Speaker 1: And if you found yourself maybe moving them up more

442
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Speaker 1: than you thought or moving them down more maybe than

443
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Speaker 1: you might have thought. That's a good question. And the

444
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 1: thing is for players like Michael Parsons the off ball

445
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Speaker 1: linebacker you can actually play anywhere at Penn State, or

446
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase the wide receiver at l s U, it

447
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Speaker 1: has zero effect. The only concern for something like Jamar

448
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Speaker 1: Chase is that you get called up and watching Davanta

449
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 1: Smith and Davonta Smith had a fantastic season. You know

450
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Speaker 1: he deserved to win the Heisman, But you go back

451
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Speaker 1: and watch jam Mar Chase like, oh yeah, I remember

452
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Speaker 1: why he is special. But then you have guys like

453
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Speaker 1: Rashan Bateman opted out, then he opted back in the

454
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Speaker 1: wide receiver from Minniesota, and then he opted out sort

455
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Speaker 1: of halfway through a weird season, and I get that,

456
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Speaker 1: but he looked like a different player, like he looked.

457
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Speaker 1: He changed numbers from thirteen to two zero, and the

458
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Speaker 1: first thing you noticed is he he didn't look as big,

459
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Speaker 1: and I said, that's weird. And I didn't know if

460
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Speaker 1: it was the fact that he liked the number made

461
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Speaker 1: him look smaller, but he wasn't. He looked like he

462
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Speaker 1: was fifteen pounds lighter. So you have questions there. And

463
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Speaker 1: again I don't get to see him in person, so

464
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Speaker 1: I don't know. So I have to talk to people.

465
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Speaker 1: Uh they do get to seem in person and find out.

466
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Speaker 1: But that what I was talking to Scott in December

467
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Speaker 1: about him, and he said, yeah, he looked really then

468
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Speaker 1: and sort of you know, not that the body type

469
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Speaker 1: that we saw. So that's a question. And he played

470
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Speaker 1: a few games. But then there's players like Jamie Newman,

471
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Speaker 1: the quarterback from Wake four. So he transferred to Georgia

472
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Speaker 1: that I was really excited to see play and I

473
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Speaker 1: I don't begruge any kid for choosing to opt out

474
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Speaker 1: or whatever their reasons, whether it's monetary or concerns about family, whatever,

475
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: that's I I fully respect that, But selfishly I did

476
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: want to see him play, just to see him get

477
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Speaker 1: out of that offensive wake for Uce, which was the

478
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Speaker 1: sort of rpo, slow mesh offense uh and put him

479
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Speaker 1: in an offense in Georgia. We he'd have a chance

480
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Speaker 1: to face some of the best players in the country

481
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Speaker 1: and do it in a slightly different offense. Hopefully once

482
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: that they'll throw the ball a little more frequently. But

483
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: he opted out right before the season, so he didn't

484
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Speaker 1: get to see that. He went to the Senior Bowl.

485
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Speaker 1: I wasn't at the Senior Bowl. We didn't send anyone

486
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Speaker 1: from CBS Sports, and you know, not surprisingly, he looked

487
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Speaker 1: a little rusty. So I think it depends on the player.

488
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: There's not an instance like Gregory us is another player

489
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Speaker 1: who came in as a top five player, probably in

490
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Speaker 1: the media's eyes. Um the edge rusher out of out

491
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Speaker 1: of Miami. He was a converted wide receiver. He does

492
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Speaker 1: not have a lot of experience at edge rusher. He

493
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Speaker 1: had fifteen and a half sax in twenty nineteen you.

494
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Speaker 1: Oh God, I can't wait to see him play. He

495
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Speaker 1: opted out, which is his right, but I think that's

496
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Speaker 1: an example of someone getting pushed down the boards because

497
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Speaker 1: of lack of experience In NFL teams are certainly concerned

498
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Speaker 1: about that for certain positions and the emergence of other

499
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Speaker 1: edge rushers who played played pretty well. Quity Pay out

500
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Speaker 1: of Michigan came back and played. He played really well.

501
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips, a guy who took his number in Miami

502
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: and had retired in twenty because of injuries. He had

503
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Speaker 1: a fantastic season. That's another example. A Zezo Glari, who

504
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: was a Georgia had a really good season. So these

505
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Speaker 1: guys are getting pushed up and through no thought of

506
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Speaker 1: his own. Gregory so at least in the media's eyes,

507
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: he talked to some folks are in the league like, yeah,

508
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: there are questions about what type of player he can be,

509
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 1: only because we haven't seen a lot of him. So

510
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Speaker 1: it's a mixed bag. The players at the very top,

511
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Like Trey Lance, he didn't opt out

512
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Speaker 1: this season just was canceled for him. In North Dakota

513
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Speaker 1: State the quarterback and he played one showcase game in

514
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Speaker 1: which he he was fine, but he played exactly like

515
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Speaker 1: he expects one to play. You hadn't played six or

516
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Speaker 1: seven or eight months. I think he's exactly the same

517
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Speaker 1: place he he would have been had he played. UM

518
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: maybe he's hired if he balls out at fcs UH

519
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: North Dakota State. But he's the top twelve guy, I think,

520
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: and I think NFL team certainly understand that too. So

521
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Speaker 1: taking a look at this draft, and you said it yourself,

522
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Speaker 1: I believe your mock just came out, and we'll get

523
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: we'll get to that coming up here in just a minute.

524
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Speaker 1: But what are you seeing on the defensive side of

525
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: the ball in terms of the positions that are the

526
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Speaker 1: strongest I know here in Cleveland, a lot of people

527
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: are saying, maybe that first pick is going to be

528
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Speaker 1: spent on defense in some way, shape or form. What

529
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Speaker 1: are the strengths of this year's draft on the defensive

530
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: side of the football. Well, I think cornerbacks pretty deep.

531
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Speaker 1: And I don't know how the Browns feel the fans

532
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Speaker 1: at least feel about cornerback because you know they have

533
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 1: Denzil Award. Breen Williams struggled to stay healthy, Um so

534
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: maybe there's some concerns there, but the safety class is

535
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: not deep. But it depends on how you look at

536
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Speaker 1: the safety class. So in this week's Moth Draft, I

537
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Speaker 1: had him actually the Browns taking of safety for the

538
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Speaker 1: first time and forever, I think usually it's been defensive

539
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Speaker 1: line or edge rusher. Um, and I hadn't taken to

540
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: Ron morri out of TCU, who's a really good free safety.

541
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Speaker 1: He can play in the slot. Um. I know I'm

542
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: a Steelers home. I don't know if we talked about

543
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: that last time, but I know Browns fans in general

544
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: were not crazy about Andrewson day. He'll being back there

545
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: good or bad. But if you add a depth there,

546
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Speaker 1: I I get that. But then if you talk about

547
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Speaker 1: someone like Jeremiah Usu Cormoa out a Notre Dame, He's

548
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 1: he's a linebacker Notre Dame, but he's one of these

549
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: hybrid players that probably is gonna be better suited at safety.

550
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: And if you want someone like that, it's sort of

551
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: like a Jabrill Pepper's. Obviously, Brown's fans familiar with him.

552
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: That type of athleticism, that type of versatility, and he's

553
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: not a free safety, but he can certainly play the

554
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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons type hybrid role. There guys like that Hamson

555
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: natural dean out of Florida State who was injured at

556
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Speaker 1: the end of twenty nineteen. So I think the safety

557
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: class is sneaky deep. Uh. The upball linebacker class has

558
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: some playmakers. Uh. We talked about Micah Parsons. But there's

559
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: Jamie Davis at Kentucky. Uh there was who was I watching, oh,

560
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: Baron Browning at Ohio State. You guys probably know him

561
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: really well. I was just watching the Clemson game yesterday,

562
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Speaker 1: and I know there's a play like Trevor Lawrence beat

563
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Speaker 1: him around the edge once early in the game. And

564
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Speaker 1: there's a play later in urpo play where Trevor handen

565
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Speaker 1: off to thank Travis Attn and Baron was on the

566
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Speaker 1: edge and absolutely jacked up Trevor Lawrence who was running

567
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Speaker 1: the fake to the point where he lay ended on

568
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: his shoulders on his back and he got up and

569
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: it was looking for like a flag for a roughing

570
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: the past or whatever. And um later in the game

571
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: bear And actually ran down Trevor Lawrence on another he

572
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: was trying to score around the edge. He's a good

573
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: player and that's not surprised coming of a high state,

574
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 1: but I was just sort of recently been watching him

575
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: and impressed with him. So there are guys there. Cornerback

576
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Speaker 1: I mentioned, edge rusher has some guys. You can find

577
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: guys in the first three rounds that can help you

578
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: along the edge. Defensive tackle classes not that deep, but

579
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Speaker 1: if you're in the top sixty picks, you can find

580
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Speaker 1: a guy there either late in the first if you're

581
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: the Browns, or at some point in the second, maybe

582
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: even early third, that can help your team immediately. I'm

583
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: gonna ask you about two linebackers that a lot of

584
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: other mock drafts have had to go to the Browns,

585
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: but you have them actually go much higher in the draft.

586
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: So you obviously have a pretty high opinion these guys,

587
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: Davin Collins out of Tulsa UH and Jeremiah Osukarmara to

588
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: two kind of different kind of guys. But but what

589
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: do you like about them and why did why did

590
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: their skills translate to the next level? Yeah, u Como

591
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: is insanely athlete that can um. I work with Brady Quinn.

592
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: It's CBS. He's also a Fox and you guys certainly

593
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: know him from Notre Dame and when he was with

594
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: the Browns. But he's not surprisingly super high on us

595
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: the Cormoa, but he says when you see him work

596
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: out or whatever, that's gonna end up being combined. Wise,

597
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: his numbers are gonna blow people away, just because that's

598
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: the type of insane athlete he is. And and as

599
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: I mentioned, he's sort of that Isaiah Simmons hybrid type,

600
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Speaker 1: that Derwin James hybrid type. I talked to scouts that

601
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: like him better in the second round. But the athleticism

602
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: just I mean, it gets your attention. And there's some

603
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: questions about his instincts. But again, when your scout, your

604
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: job is to find things wrong with players, and sometimes

605
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: there there aren't things wrong with players. And I think

606
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Speaker 1: is he does. He have him to grow, absolutely, but

607
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: but I think he is has a chance to be

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00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: special because of the athleticism. I think I've had him

609
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: going to the Browns. Again, I've done twenty five of

610
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: these freaking mock draft, so I think at some point

611
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Speaker 1: Zavin Collins is another guy who the funny thing is

612
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: he outweighs cormoas Cormoa maybe about thirty or forty pounds

613
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: I think he's listed to sixty. He's six for he

614
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: plays in the middle of the field. He's not an

615
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: edge rush or sometimes you see him listens and edge rush,

616
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: but he played primarily in the middle of the field.

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00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: He had two pick sixes last year. One was like

618
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: an eighty five yard or where no one came close

619
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Speaker 1: to catch them. Um, he could be more physical, sometimes

620
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: trying to get off blocks or trying to not trying

621
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Speaker 1: to avoid the blocks in terms of the run game.

622
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: But again, these guys are twenty one two years old.

623
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: He's going to get better. But the athleticism, the physicality,

624
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: the ability to go sideline, the sideline is there and

625
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: it gets your attention. And we're seeing, you know, we've

626
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Speaker 1: seen the evolution of these linebackers over the last few

627
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: years a lot of ways. It started with Ryan Shazeen,

628
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: but we've seen the guys come after, Mishaan evans Um,

629
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Speaker 1: Roquan Smith, Devin Bush, Devin White obviously was starring in

630
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, all over the place, and those are

631
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: the guys you're looking for, sideline to sideline guys. And

632
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: I know the Browns have drafted a couple uh uh

633
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: linebackers in recent drafts Mack Wilson, and I think Taki

634
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: Taki is the Browns guy. Right, there's the there was

635
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: one that the Lions drafted with similar type player, but right,

636
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: those guys have the athleticism, but this is the next

637
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: level athleticism, And it would not surprise me if you

638
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: know that was the direction the Browns one. Should either

639
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: one of those guys be there late in the first round.

640
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: And then I'll ask you about a couple of defensive

641
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: tackles because they're right around the bronze range as well,

642
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: with Christian Barmore at Alabama, then Davian Nixon who had

643
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Speaker 1: just a spectacular season Iowa this year. What do you

644
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: like about those guys and how are they different? Yeah,

645
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: they're both insanely athletic and and Barmore wasn't a starter

646
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: last year at Alabama, but I heard folks at Alabama

647
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: talking about him over the summer. So you try to

648
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: watch him, and you know, you saw glimpses of things

649
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: and it's hard to tell, especially in the interior defensive line. Well,

650
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: guys don't have a lot of snaps exactly where they're at.

651
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Speaker 1: And I think he was injured to start this season,

652
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: so he didn't play immediately and the last five games.

653
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: You talked to folks at Alabama and they're like, just

654
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: watch the last five that's when things started happening. We

655
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: saw him in the playoffs go crazy. But that athleticism,

656
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: the quickness off the snap, he was better against the

657
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: past and the run. Uh coming into the year, and

658
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: I think he got progressively better at both. But he's

659
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: not Quinny Williams, but he he's that type of guy

660
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: who went I talked to Quintin Williams and Nashville at

661
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: that draft and I said, what were you doing twelve

662
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: months ago? He said, twelve months ago, I didn't know

663
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna even be starting. I was trying to

664
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Speaker 1: win a starting job at Alabama. Uh. And that's sort

665
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: of the same thing with Barmore. Twelve months ago. He

666
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: was trying to win a job, and he certainly did that.

667
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: But again, you have to rhyd myself this. These guys

668
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: are young, They're gonna get better. What you see is

669
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: in the finished product. So if you like that, if

670
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: you like a guy who's quick off the ball, getting

671
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: to the to the backfield and be very disruptive, Barmore's

672
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: that type of guy. Then you line him up next

673
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: to someone like Myles Garrett, that's a huge problem for

674
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: the the other team's in NFC North. I'm with you

675
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: on on David Nixon. He I mean you talked about

676
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: a quick first step. You talk about a guy that's disruptive.

677
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: He has disruptive against both the pass and the run.

678
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: And I've heard not everyone loves him, but again that's fine.

679
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: I love him, and I got back and watch him

680
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: and make sure that I love him. Yeah, I still

681
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: love him. Uh. You know, he's an explosive player. Uh.

682
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: You you watched some of the things he was able

683
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: to do in terms of beating offensive lineman off the snap,

684
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: off the snap. He's not gonna be a one gap guy. Uh,

685
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: he's um or not, He's not a two gap guy.

686
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: Excuse me, he's He's playing like three tech and and

687
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: just the way he's able to move, with the quickness

688
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: with which he moves given his size, is incredibly fun

689
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: to watch unless you're the guy trying to block him.

690
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: And I think he's a guy again who creates issues

691
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: in gaps when guys like Miles Garrett coming off the edge,

692
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: that may make things incredibly hard. Uh to consistently protect

693
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback or the running back when you have just

694
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: share physical athletes making plays. Ryan, I appreciate your time.

695
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: I know that you've got to run, You've got I

696
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: don't know which platform you're headed to next, but we

697
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: we appreciate all your time in the In the final

698
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: thirty seconds or so, you have five quarterbacks going in

699
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: your top thirteen in your latest mock draft, which you

700
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: can find at CBS sports dot com, including mac Jones

701
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: at thirteen. The dealers moving up there and everybody in

702
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: the a f C North got all wide eyed when

703
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: they saw that. Do you see five quarterbacks going in

704
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: and say the top fifteen this year? Yeah? And I'm

705
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: a huge Max mac Jones fan, and a lot of

706
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: people in the media aren't. And that's okay. Like I

707
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: said that that's the hill I'm gonna die on mac Jones,

708
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: and that pot Billy is That's that's the hill I'm

709
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: dying on. And it's funny because um, like I said,

710
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: I um, I'm Steelers fan and I work with Browns

711
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: fans and Bengals fans and actually asked both of them

712
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: the other day, do you want Roethlisberger to come back

713
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: or not, and they both would. Hesitation said, yeah, so

714
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: this is clearly great news for the rest of the

715
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: f C North. I'm not crazy about it coming back,

716
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: but you know, no one asked me before they decided

717
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: to what looks like bringing back on a cheaper deal,

718
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 1: and we'll see. I think it's stunts the moving movement

719
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: forward to that organization in terms of the quarterback. Does

720
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: it preclude them from taking a quarterback and trading up. No,

721
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll do it. I mean, they

722
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: have a ton of needs and capsus to do it,

723
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: but I do think all five quarterbacks go in the

724
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Speaker 1: top fifteen. I'm gonna be interested to see what happens

725
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: at number two. I mean, we've heard some talk at

726
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence isn't number one, and everyone's word all right, well,

727
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: we'll see. I'm pretty sure he is. But that's fine.

728
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: We can talk about it. That's something to do. But

729
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: I want to see what happens to number two with

730
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Speaker 1: the Jets. Are they gonna roll with Zac Wilson or

731
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: Justin Fields? Are they gonna trade down and stick with

732
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: Sam Donald? And to me, that's where things get interesting

733
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: and it gets interested in a hurry because again, you

734
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: can take Zack Wilson, but then there's justin Fields, and

735
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: does a team like the Falcons want justin fields? Does? Uh?

736
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Speaker 1: Where are the Eagles gonna do it? Six? I mean

737
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: they got rid of Carson Wentz and Doug Peterson. I

738
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: don't know what their plan is. Is it Jalen Hurts

739
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: who was good and bad last year? I don't know.

740
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: And I mentioned Trey Lance. I think Trey Lance is

741
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: gonna be good. But again, you can't force a kid

742
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: to play in one when he played one game against

743
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: Central Arkansas last year and the year before that he

744
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: played in a super run heavy office. But physically he

745
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: does everything you want these young, fast, physical athletic quarterbacks

746
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: to do, strong armed. So yeah, all five and top fifteen.

747
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: I don't think Kyle Trask or or Davis Males out

748
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: of Stanford sneaks into the first round. I would actually

749
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: be shocked if that happens. But I do feel pretty

750
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: comforta about teams moving up and teams moved up into

751
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: top fifteen to get all these five quarterbacks. Ryan appreciate

752
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: the time, continued success, look forward to seeing you on

753
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: CBS Sports, various platforms and of course reading all your

754
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: stuff that you do such a great job with on

755
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: CBS Sports dot Com. Continued success and we'll talk with

756
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: you soon and hopefully we'll see in Cleveland here in

757
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: a couple of months. Absolutely, that would be fantastic. Jason Andrew,

758
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thanks to Ryan Wilson, NFL draft

759
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: guru for CBS Sports dot Com and you can also

760
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: check him out on the Pick six podcast. Appreciate his

761
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: time and insight. Here we are presented by our good

762
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: friends at Key Private Bank. I'm Jason Gibbs alongside Andrew Gribble.

763
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Gribbs Your big takeaways from Mr Wilson's appearance here on

764
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: the BP A. I'm getting myself feeling a little bit

765
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: better about the options that the Browns have on the

766
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. And I brought it up

767
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: because I think two of the guys that a lot

768
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: of other people think that are going to Browns Key

769
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: things are going way higher. And I the guy. The

770
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: guy had a Notre Dame USU Korma. He is the

771
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: most intriguing guy in my eyes because he played linebacker

772
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. But the only ways two fifteen pounds

773
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: uh and that's that's not it's not I mean, maybe

774
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: it's big enough for the NFL, but just a super

775
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: athlete who could potentially do some hybrid stuff. But at

776
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: the same time, do you already have that in great delta?

777
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: And so it's a it's a big question. But and

778
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: another question is did the Brownze even think about linebacker

779
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: in the first round. So it's getting more and more realization,

780
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: getting more up to speed on some of these these players.

781
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: And I think the one thing that stands out with

782
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: all these defensive players that are that have been linked

783
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: to the Browns is that they've either opted out or

784
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: they had huge seasons last year, and so it's there's

785
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: like almost no one between. So uh, I will say

786
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: for folks at home that the guy he has going

787
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: to the Browns Davian Nixon out of Iowa. Google his

788
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: interception return for a touchdown last year against Penn State.

789
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: I believe he it's the one of the most athletic

790
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: things I've ever seen infensive tackle do in my life.

791
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: Takes us steps in front of screen, crack as runs

792
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: down the sidelines, jukes the quarterback and then keeps running

793
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: and outruns everyone to the end zones. You don't see

794
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: many seven one yard interception return for touchdowns by defensive tackles,

795
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: but Daviden Dixon had one of those, so I wouldn't

796
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: be opposed to that pick at number twenty six. Well,

797
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: and he mentioned it like defensive tackle, if you're gonna

798
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: get one, it has to be early in the draft.

799
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: He said, if you're if you can use one of

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00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: your picks in the first sixty, if you have a

801
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: couple of picks, well, we have a couple of picks,

802
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously that is an option edge edge rusher.

803
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: And of course he was pretty high on the corners

804
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: in this draft, saying it's a pretty deep class as well. Yeah,

805
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: and I think with defensive tackle, it's it's going to

806
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: be one of those things where we might reevaluate where

807
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: we stand on that position after free agency, because if

808
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: you if you if you lose Larry Ogan job and

809
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: really don't do much in free agency at that position,

810
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it becomes a pretty big need.

811
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: But if you maybe you bring back Larry, maybe you

812
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: add a couple of guys, then all of a sudden,

813
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, considering you've got Sheldon Richardson, You've got Jordan

814
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: Elliott in the pipeline named your Billings coming back. Maybe

815
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: then it doesn't seem as necessary to go for for

816
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: an defense attack on the first round. So a lot

817
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: to be determined here in the next couple of months. Alright,

818
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: So we did talk about Ryan Wilson's mock draft. Uh.

819
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: He thinks five quarterbacks going in the top fifteen, which

820
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: is great because that just pushes the talent pool back

821
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: towards us and allows guys to fall. And I would

822
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: take I hope that five quarterbacks go. I think it's

823
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of a stretch, though. Yeah, let me

824
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: tell you, I would really enjoy the Pittsburgh Steelers bringing

825
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: back Ben and then getting a quarterback in the first round.

826
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what he's signed up for. I

827
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: don't think that's what he's taken a pay cut for.

828
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't that that to me would just be the

829
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: most enjoyable scenario possible. Granted, I don't think it's gonna happen,

830
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: but and I actually wouldn't feel great about them getting

831
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: mac Jones for future, but for that one year of entertainment,

832
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: I would would very much value it. But I do

833
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: think we've gotten maybe a little bit silly with the

834
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: quarterback discussion where we're now saying Trevor Lawrence isn't number

835
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: one on everyone's board. Yeah, not there yet. No, you're

836
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: getting clicks, You're you're going for clicks. Yeah. I mean

837
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: that's just like when we maybe they're following my, my,

838
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: my pitch last year when I said to to get

839
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: some attention, have a take that Joe Burrow is not

840
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: the number one picking the draft. So maybe that maybe

841
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: that's what people are following the blueprint two more to

842
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: more attention. Yeah, exactly. I think that we'll I'll expect

843
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: Mr Lawrence putting on a Jacksonville hat that first night

844
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, coming up here in just a couple of months,

845
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: nine weeks to be exact, from right now. Thanks again

846
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: to Ryan Wilson for his time. Uh, Combine was supposed

847
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: to be this week. You and I talked about it

848
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: last week a little bit. But I gotta ask, what's

849
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Speaker 1: the favorite restaurant, what's the place to go in Indie

850
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: for one meal? Well, I think we're gonna have the

851
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: same answer here because we always end up at this

852
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: place together a lot of the times, and it's it's

853
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: Irias the old school Italian place. It's off the not

854
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Speaker 1: off the beaten path. It's like a mile and a

855
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: half outside the city. But when you're walking everywhere, all

856
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it feels like a big deal to

857
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: get right out there. But it's it's it's it's it's

858
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: a must go every single time. It's I'm pretty sure

859
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: that restaurant has not changed one bit in the last

860
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: thirty or forty years. It's the exact same thing. If

861
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Speaker 1: you're sick and tired of kind of the new fangled Italian,

862
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: Irias is the old school Italian that you you grew

863
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: up with and no one loves so well. I will

864
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Speaker 1: say I do think it almost It goes back and

865
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Speaker 1: forth with me for the second with St Almos, because

866
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: obviously it was it's the one restaurant you associate with Indianapolis.

867
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Speaker 1: Then I feel like everyone became too cool for St Almos,

868
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: like that became like the touristy destination of your Indianapolis trip.

869
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: But now, after missing the combine this year, I'm excited

870
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Speaker 1: to go back to St. Almos next year. I want

871
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: I want the full touristy experience. I want the shrimp cocktail,

872
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: everything like that when we're back in the combine, I

873
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: don't care if people are judging me and throwing their

874
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: noses at me. I'm going to the simplest places, and

875
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: that's sat Almos. You can't go wrong with a shrimp

876
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: cocktail from St. Almo's and you can't go wrong with

877
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: a canoli from Irias to close out your evening there.

878
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: Uh is it Nano? Nana? I think Nano? Why do

879
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: I think that came into my mind? That's a solid third.

880
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: It's a nice little taco option. Yeah, it's it's good.

881
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: It's a good, good location, good option there. I think

882
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: they've got location. I think I've been to one in

883
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: Cincinnati as well, so you can you can hit the

884
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: spots as well outside of Indianapolis. But yeah, I mean

885
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: we end up there ever you're at some point. Yeah,

886
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: there are certain restaurants you just know that you're gonna

887
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: go to when you're an indian And we are definitely

888
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: missing that city this week. And I know they're missing

889
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. I know they're going to get the

890
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: n C Double A Tournament there and all the all

891
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: the people that are coming in for that, not necessarily fans,

892
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: but teams and the ministrators and a limited a number

893
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: of fans. But I know that the NFL and the

894
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: draft is and the combine is good for Indie, and

895
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: Indie is good for the NFL and the NFL combine.

896
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: So here's to being back there one year from now. Uh.

897
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Speaker 1: This week's mock Spotlight picked one out. I found one

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Speaker 1: U s I dot com Zack Patraw, author of the

899
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Draft Bible for Sports Illustrated. I'm not going to lie.

900
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Speaker 1: I had not heard a lot about Zack, but I

901
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: read his mock draft and I felt like it was

902
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: up for discussion. On today's best podcast available, he has

903
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: Cleveland trading up, trading up, not trading out, trading up

904
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: to pick fourteen in a trade with Minnesota, giving up

905
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Speaker 1: pick fifty nine, which is our second rounder and a

906
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: second rounder next year to draft defensive end Quitty paid

907
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: out of Michigan, one of the better defensive ends in

908
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: this year's draft. He says, I'm not sure I see

909
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: us going that high up. But thoughts from you on this, well,

910
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those things. It's it's maybe

911
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: you're looking at the difference between if you're draft Ay six,

912
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: I don't think you lock in the guy as a

913
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: starter on your defense going into you maybe hope they

914
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: develop and blossom. But once you get into the fourteen range,

915
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: that's someone that you draft that you're like, this guy

916
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: should start. So it's it's a matter of do you

917
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: decide we need a guy that needs to start on

918
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: this defensive line opposite Miles Garrett. I think that's that

919
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: would be the decision. You weigh with that, and you

920
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: know it's it's interesting. I tackled a question that was

921
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: similar about this in my mail bag last week about

922
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: what it would take for the Browns to trade up

923
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: into the draft, and I think the Browns do have

924
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: the kind of assets you do need to make that

925
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: kind of trade because they have nine picks, including an

926
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: extra third rounder and an extra fourth round. So to

927
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: go from twenty to fourteen, that's a pretty big jump,

928
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: that's a twelve spot jump, and so I think his

929
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: compensation is close to right on what it would take

930
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: to to move up. Historically, I look at what the

931
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: Steelers did uh two years ago going from twenty to ten,

932
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: and they gave up a first round pick, a second

933
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: round pick, and then a future third So maybe you

934
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: don't have to give up the future. Second, I would

935
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Speaker 1: not I would like to be able to make that

936
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: move without that, but uh and I would I would

937
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: personally enjoy being able to get rid of that Saints

938
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: third round pick instead of having to give up the

939
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: current second round pick. But that's probably that's ballpark. That's

940
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: that's pretty close to what it would take, which on

941
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: the surface doesn't seem like a ton to give up

942
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: to move up a pretty significant amount in the first round,

943
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: but it's still you know, this is a smart front

944
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: office that values its assets, and and that's that would

945
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: be one that would maybe, I think, surprise surprising folks

946
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: to make a move like that. I think it's more

947
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: realistic to move up three or four spots as opposed

948
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: to making one big jump up. I think we can

949
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: all agree on that. Yeah, you move up a few

950
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: spots and then the compensation gets really small. I would

951
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: say it would be it would be something that you

952
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: don't really even think twice about. And I look back

953
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: at at at a team like the Seahawks and made

954
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: a made a trade with with the Packers in two

955
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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. All they had to do was they moved

956
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: up from number thirty to number twenty one, and all

957
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: they had to do is part with two fourth round picks.

958
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: I'll take that that. I have no problem stomaching that. See,

959
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: the Browns do have two fourth round picks. Well, and

960
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: really you're you're trying to get ahead of Pittsburgh, if

961
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you're moving up, I would assume it's

962
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: ahead of Pittsburgh to get someone from a defensive standpoint

963
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: that you're worried about the Steelers possibly taking snatching up. Yeah,

964
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: a lot of similar needs between the Steelers and Browns

965
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: and this year's draft. And well, the Browns beat the Steelers,

966
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: so the Steelers are picking ahead of the brown So

967
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: I'll take that, you know, I will that that was

968
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: a victory that I will gladly take a few spots

969
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: behind the Steelers in this year's draft. Yeah, something to

970
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: watch whether the Browns will move up, maybe they move

971
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: out of the first round. They could make for an

972
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Speaker 1: interesting night number one here in Cleveland of all places

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Speaker 1: as well. Nine weeks from today, that's gonna wrap up

974
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