Speaker 1: Hell I Suck at Dating with de Nungler and Jared
Speaker 1: Haven and I heard radio podcast What's going on Everyone,
Speaker 1: and welcome to an all new episode of help I
Speaker 1: Suck At Dating. I um joined the Zoom a little
Speaker 1: bit late today and I heard Jared going off about
Speaker 1: something about Aquaman and Spiderman and it's just so frustrating.
Speaker 1: No what needs to hear this? But like a quick backstory,
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys heard, Henry Cavill got announced that he's reprising his
Speaker 1: role as Superman, which I was very much anticipating and
Speaker 1: very excited about because I really enjoyed Manistel and I
Speaker 1: love Henry cavill playing the superhero playing Superman, and he
Speaker 1: hasn't been in a movie quite some time because they've
Speaker 1: made seventy four thousand Batman's which is okay, I love Batman,
Speaker 1: but just give me my Superman. So they finally announced
Speaker 1: that he's back. He made a cameo and black Adam,
Speaker 1: here we go. Henry Gavelo announced he went on all
Speaker 1: this press tour. He was on UM seacrestin Kelly. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I heart Radio Seacrest tie right there and said I'm
Speaker 1: back as Superman for future films, and then two months
Speaker 1: later it's reporting that it might not happen, and it's
Speaker 1: very frustrating and I don't need to I don't need
Speaker 1: to vent about it anymore. I never I'm obviously not
Speaker 1: as big into the superhero comic book thing as you are.
Speaker 1: I do remember seeing Man of Steel, and I think
Speaker 1: I saw in theaters, which is pretty rare for me
Speaker 1: to a c A movie in theaters and be for
Speaker 1: it to be a superhero movie, because I'm not a
Speaker 1: big superhero movie fan. I saw me in the Steel
Speaker 1: in theaters and this hasn't happened many times to me
Speaker 1: in my life. I want to say three, maybe last
Speaker 1: maybe maybe too. Don't tell me what I think. I think.
Speaker 1: I think you know where this is going. It was
Speaker 1: one of the very few movies where I really strongly
Speaker 1: considered leaving the middle of the movie. Why it was
Speaker 1: so so bad, I don't, honestly, my blood is boiling
Speaker 1: right now. I don't want to talk about it because
Speaker 1: it's just gonna piss like. Here's the thing with that is,
Speaker 1: if I had no pre understanding of Superman, which I don't,
Speaker 1: I do, but I don't, you know, like I have
Speaker 1: the general idea of Superman's um origin story, lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: If I had zero, that movie sets up absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Lois Lane comes in. Oh he's
Speaker 1: in love with her. When did that happen? I have
Speaker 1: no idea. Hope she got lost in a tornado, but
Speaker 1: don't worry, Superman is always going to be there to
Speaker 1: save her. It was it was lost in it. I
Speaker 1: don't remember that's that would be that part of it
Speaker 1: was almost as bad as um the Avatar the Last
Speaker 1: Airbender movie, And because that was the point in the
Speaker 1: conversation when I can no longer take you seriously if
Speaker 1: you're comparing Man of Steel to Airbender or whatever the
Speaker 1: hell it is, Avatar the Last Airbender. Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: having this kind of For the record, I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of the cartoons of Avatar the Last Airbender or
Speaker 1: when I was younger, and the movie huge disappointment. Man
Speaker 1: of Steel. I didn't have expectations and I was still disappointed.
Speaker 1: So that's to say is about that. But I'm happy
Speaker 1: to move on because I don't want you to reach
Speaker 1: out through the screen and strangle me. Um. So what's
Speaker 1: going on, Jared, how are you. I'm good. Actually, we
Speaker 1: have a hot topic including and involving a Batman Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 1: Why don't we just get right into the first hot
Speaker 1: topic because you know, nice little segue. So the star
Speaker 1: of the New Batman movie, which I did very much
Speaker 1: like Robert Pattinson, I didn't like it. I didn't love it.
Speaker 1: The first time I saw it. I thought it was okay.
Speaker 1: But I saw it again and I liked it a
Speaker 1: lot more. Can I say before you get before you
Speaker 1: get into the hot topic. I liked it. The thing
Speaker 1: I didn't like about it was it was like, the
Speaker 1: Riddler is his main enemy this movie, and then you
Speaker 1: don't see the Riddler for like an hour and a half,
Speaker 1: and you're like, what happened to the guy that he
Speaker 1: was supposed to be fighting against? Yeah, there's one of
Speaker 1: my gripes in the movie is that there's just way
Speaker 1: too much going on. I couldn't agree with you more exactly.
Speaker 1: The Riddler has gone for a good like hour of
Speaker 1: the movie, and you're like, Okay, that's right, He's still
Speaker 1: in this movie. Because there's just so much going on
Speaker 1: with all these different characters, and it is far too long.
Speaker 1: I'm all down for a three hour movie. But when
Speaker 1: you know I'm two and a half hours in and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm feeling it, then you should have
Speaker 1: cut the movie by thirty minutes. Anyway, Robert Pattinson and
Speaker 1: Suki Waterhouse made their red carpet debut after five years
Speaker 1: of dating. Can I also just have a little gripe
Speaker 1: as well? Towards the English language? Why is the t
Speaker 1: silent with debut? David? I don't know. That's two questions,
Speaker 1: soft Tea, What the hell is? Why could you imagine
Speaker 1: trying to learn English and reading that word? Why would
Speaker 1: anybody read that word other than debutt? Day? But how
Speaker 1: is that debut? I'm gonna google this real quick because
Speaker 1: I'm also curious. So anyway, while you google it, I'll
Speaker 1: continue with the hot topic. Five years of dating, Robert
Speaker 1: Pattinson Suki Waterhouse made their red carpet day. BEU, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that they've posted publicly, have grown
Speaker 1: out in public, and have had pictures taken in them.
Speaker 1: But anyway, December three was the day that will live
Speaker 1: in infamy where the Batman star Robert Pattinson and the
Speaker 1: persuasion star Suki Waterhouse attended The Dire Men Fall If
Speaker 1: I'm saying that right, it's the three Show and Giza, Egypt. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. They walked to red Carpet together for
Speaker 1: the very first time, and they've been linked since two
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen. The couple have kept their relationship as
Speaker 1: private as possible, with which makes their debut all the
Speaker 1: more special. So, Dean, two things. One do you have
Speaker 1: any answers with us about debut? And two what do
Speaker 1: you think of some of the benefits about keeping your
Speaker 1: relationship private, especially you come from a public relationship as well? Well?
Speaker 1: The debut thing, I think is just a mystery of language.
Speaker 1: Who knows why? Um? And the other question is keeping
Speaker 1: a relationship private? Man? Props to props to Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't know who Suki Waterhouses. Do
Speaker 1: you no idea? Oh my gosh, she's beautiful though, I
Speaker 1: just look through up. She's a model, and have you
Speaker 1: seen Robert Pattinson. Of course she's beautiful. Robert Pattinson is
Speaker 1: also very beautiful. Yes, I can only imagine. Well, it's
Speaker 1: got to be different for these like Megas celebrities because
Speaker 1: I I would have trouble keeping a relationship secret. But
Speaker 1: the reason for that is you go on a dating
Speaker 1: show and the only thing people are interested in is
Speaker 1: your dating life, and so you know, you do you
Speaker 1: go to an event, that's all they're asking you is
Speaker 1: who are you dating? Blah blah blah. I mean, we
Speaker 1: have a podcast that like when I was single on
Speaker 1: this podcast, I was dating people that I wouldn't talk about,
Speaker 1: and it was like hard to talk about the past
Speaker 1: tense in the current tense because like I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about being single now, I'm talking about having been single
Speaker 1: three months ago. But then the person I'm dating here
Speaker 1: is the podcast and like, well why are you talking
Speaker 1: about being single on the podcast? And so then eventually
Speaker 1: like either that comes to ahead and we had to
Speaker 1: go our separate ways, or I had to come out
Speaker 1: like there becomes like a point in the relationship where
Speaker 1: you have to become public with it or you end
Speaker 1: the relationship. So personally, I couldn't do it. That's why, um,
Speaker 1: I've talked about this maybe on this podcast. I've definitely
Speaker 1: talked about it too, some of like my Bachelor Nation
Speaker 1: friends where because entering a relation and I talked about
Speaker 1: with you. Actually entering into a relationship with someone from
Speaker 1: the show on the show is so much easier than
Speaker 1: like soft launching people on Instagram and stuff having been
Speaker 1: on the show, because like, oh, the world or the
Speaker 1: audience gets to see you to be in a relationship
Speaker 1: publicly on their television screen and they don't have to
Speaker 1: like randomly hear about it on social media because like
Speaker 1: people only there's so many people that only get their
Speaker 1: news from not their news, but I'm sorry, they're like
Speaker 1: relationship up to it's from television, whereas like people are
Speaker 1: still commenting on my social media, which is funny because
Speaker 1: obviously if they looked at my social media they would know,
Speaker 1: but they're still commenting on my social media, like I
Speaker 1: can't believe Kalen's lived in the van for four years
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no, she never lived in the van.
Speaker 1: We just talked about that on television, and so it's
Speaker 1: like you're using that information that you got four years
Speaker 1: ago and just expanding on it up until now. So
Speaker 1: all that to say, I I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying actually, now that they think about it, all I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I couldn't keep a relationship secret because it
Speaker 1: always came to a head before that point, and I'm
Speaker 1: very grateful that I don't have to do that anymore,
Speaker 1: because some of the most stressful days of my life
Speaker 1: were coming into this podcast, having to talk about being
Speaker 1: single in Los Angeles when I wasn't single, and then
Speaker 1: feeling the wrath on the other side of it. So
Speaker 1: thankfully those days are behind me. Yeah. I mean, someone
Speaker 1: that can relate to this, and there was actually an
Speaker 1: All Sweekly article written about it would be Tasha Adams
Speaker 1: because Dasia was obviously the bachelorette, and she will talk
Speaker 1: to us weekly about her and the split between her
Speaker 1: and Zach Clark and how they've really never publicly addressed it.
Speaker 1: So keeping a relationship quiet is pretty hard. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: also talking about why you guys broke up it's probably
Speaker 1: equally as hard because you get asked about it all
Speaker 1: the time. So I kind of want to read this
Speaker 1: because tatious it's pretty interesting to me, She goes, My
Speaker 1: biggest lesson was to remain true to myself, and I
Speaker 1: felt like I did that. I'm really proud of that.
Speaker 1: I feel like some people called up in the mix
Speaker 1: of everything and I think the best way, the best practice,
Speaker 1: is just to be you. She's talking about dating advice,
Speaker 1: and I think with that all these things have come
Speaker 1: and it just kind of finds out your your true self.
Speaker 1: She kind of talks about dating advice, and then she
Speaker 1: addresses the whole Zach situation. Him and I both know
Speaker 1: the truth and where we stand. And I've actually never
Speaker 1: said anything in the media about our relationship except we're
Speaker 1: no longer together. And I know people might think otherwise,
Speaker 1: but that's literally the only statement we've ever given out.
Speaker 1: I think that's just something about maturity and how we
Speaker 1: decided to proceed. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: no one else need needs to know anything else. She
Speaker 1: goes on to say, people really want me to be
Speaker 1: in a couple relationships. My biggest priority. Truthfully, I've said
Speaker 1: it before. I know people don't believe me, but it
Speaker 1: really is just working on me, just kind of finding
Speaker 1: my own way in New York City, but also focusing
Speaker 1: on things that really make me happy, which our philanthropy efforts.
Speaker 1: And I really loved the fashion industry as well, fitness,
Speaker 1: my mental health, so uh interesting, you know what I
Speaker 1: do have to commentation for her privacy, Like she sets
Speaker 1: a pretty good tone for keeping keeping that private, which
Speaker 1: is really really commendable. Um. Who also did a really
Speaker 1: good job was Claire Claire Crawley who, like she like
Speaker 1: launched her relationship online with her boyfriend and then like
Speaker 1: a month later they were engaged. And it's not because
Speaker 1: they got engaged after a month of dating. I think
Speaker 1: they were like dating for a year and then she
Speaker 1: just happened to like launch him on social media right
Speaker 1: before they got gauge, And so she was dating this
Speaker 1: guy for a long time and didn't really let anyone
Speaker 1: know about it, which is very very commendable as well. Um,
Speaker 1: I do think that we we I mean not to
Speaker 1: take anything away from them. They did fantastic. We were
Speaker 1: kind of putting a tougher situation because not only do
Speaker 1: we also have the social media like they have, but
Speaker 1: we have this podcast which I love this podcast to death.
Speaker 1: I'll die for help. I suck a dating and stuck army.
Speaker 1: But they were, like I always say, and there were
Speaker 1: times like and you can attest to this, I'm curious
Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say about it too,
Speaker 1: Like before you and actually started dating and you were
Speaker 1: hosting this podcast. Granted, you weren't quite as much of
Speaker 1: a philanderer as I was. You were always like, I
Speaker 1: don't think he really dated that much in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: so it was a little bit easier for you. But
Speaker 1: it was kind of stressful coming onto this podcast every
Speaker 1: week talking about your dating life when it was very unstable,
Speaker 1: you know, Oh yeah, I mean the good news for
Speaker 1: me was that pretty much it's coming on this podcast
Speaker 1: for me started to host simultaneously aligned with Ashley and
Speaker 1: I being together. So I've kind of always been a relationship.
Speaker 1: But can you talk about Can talk about that for
Speaker 1: a second, because you and actually didn't renounce your relationship
Speaker 1: until like six months in. Well, we wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that we it was exactly what we thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna be when we first got together before we
Speaker 1: announced publicly, because it would have been it's ridiculous of
Speaker 1: us if we dated for a week, posted about it
Speaker 1: on social media, and then broke up two months later,
Speaker 1: with all the baggage that we had with our relationship.
Speaker 1: When we started dating, I mean, we had a pretty
Speaker 1: good idea this is gonna be a forever type thing,
Speaker 1: and of course when we knew that it was that
Speaker 1: was the case, you know, three or four months in
Speaker 1: that's when we decided to come out publicly with our relationship.
Speaker 1: But it's it's hard to especially coming from a bachelor's standpoint,
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, we come from this dating show.
Speaker 1: That's really what we're known for, what people really care
Speaker 1: most about us. It's kind of like a business decision.
Speaker 1: And I've talked about it before on this podcast about
Speaker 1: Ashley and I, you know, whether it be doing brand
Speaker 1: deals together, posting you know, uh, paid advertisement, and I
Speaker 1: remember being so insecure about it in the beginning because
Speaker 1: it felt an authentic not not like the product it's off,
Speaker 1: but like to do it together. I was like, actually,
Speaker 1: people are just gonna think we're not a real couple
Speaker 1: and that we're faking it. And you know, she was like,
Speaker 1: who cares what people say? Like we know the truth,
Speaker 1: that's all that matters. I said, all right, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. Actually. So it's hard because there is
Speaker 1: that balance between you want to keep things private and
Speaker 1: play some things close to the chest, but also for
Speaker 1: us with this podcast and with social media and the show,
Speaker 1: it is a little bit like, you know, people want
Speaker 1: to know about our dating life, so it's it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of like quote unquote business to us, which
Speaker 1: is wacky to think about, right well, and for us
Speaker 1: to not only do they care about our dating lives,
Speaker 1: but brands that want to work with us would weigh
Speaker 1: rather incorporate our significant others into the break into the
Speaker 1: ad because it just gets more attraction. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: who gives a funk about us? Man? Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So I went to the jingle Ball last week and
Speaker 1: I saw that in Los Angeles jingle Ball I heard
Speaker 1: Radio Festival put it on with Capital One. You're pretty
Speaker 1: much like an influencer at this point. Bro, you walked
Speaker 1: the red carpet, you were a jingle ball taking picks.
Speaker 1: I walked in that red carpet. It's the first red
Speaker 1: carpet I've walked in, Like who knows how long, two
Speaker 1: or three years it They cared so much less about
Speaker 1: me than I remember them caring about me in the past.
Speaker 1: It was like, and I like, you know, you do
Speaker 1: a red carpet at least like four years ago, fresh
Speaker 1: off the Bachelor, that you would do like eight interviews,
Speaker 1: take a bunch of pictures, and then they would like
Speaker 1: usher you away. They bring into like a swag room,
Speaker 1: give you a bunch of free stuff. I walked up
Speaker 1: with Kaitlin Killen looks fantastic, I look like a bum
Speaker 1: per usual And they were like killing takes a bunch
Speaker 1: of pictures, and so she walks out and takes a
Speaker 1: bunch of pictures. I walk out, takes a bunch of
Speaker 1: pictures with her, and then like no one asked me
Speaker 1: for a picture around myself, which is good. I took
Speaker 1: a couple, but that wasn't important. I don't want that. Anyways,
Speaker 1: we did two interviews and then we left, and then
Speaker 1: that we were completely like brushed behind the carpet, which
Speaker 1: is fine, but it was so interesting because I remember
Speaker 1: those red carpets being way more chaotic and high energy,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really like that. But all this to say,
Speaker 1: jingle ball. We went there and it was a blast.
Speaker 1: We saw Dualipa, Jack Carlo Um, Oh, this guy that
Speaker 1: I really liked, what was his name? Um crap, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna remember. I really like Deve Cameron. And then
Speaker 1: there's other there's other guys something Louis Capolli, Louis Capaldi.
Speaker 1: He was so good. If you haven't heard this guy.
Speaker 1: You have to listen to him. He is so talented
Speaker 1: and hilarious. Anyways, this goes back to what you just said. Um,
Speaker 1: it was what I thought was a child like a
Speaker 1: kid's event, like the I think the age range in
Speaker 1: my head was like ten years old to sixteen years old,
Speaker 1: like that was like their target demo for this event.
Speaker 1: And even like the kids in front of us were
Speaker 1: like these younger boys who were dancing all the TikTok
Speaker 1: songs and filming each other, having a blast. And it
Speaker 1: was great to see every artist that went on stage.
Speaker 1: Pit Bull was there, freaking pit Bull. Um. Every artist
Speaker 1: that was there was like up on stage, cursing like
Speaker 1: a drunken sailor, like dropping f bombs. And I was
Speaker 1: looking around and I was like, there's little kids next
Speaker 1: to me. This is really like kind of out of
Speaker 1: control for an iHeart radio events. So I want to
Speaker 1: go on record and say that I think that we
Speaker 1: should have uncensored F bombs and what you just said, Jared,
Speaker 1: that should not get censored. In my opinion, judging by
Speaker 1: the criteria, that I hurt radio, now I step forward
Speaker 1: for us. Yeah, but it's gonna hurt advertising. So I'd
Speaker 1: rather not. Um, we have to be a family show,
Speaker 1: you know, for the kids. We we do it for
Speaker 1: the kids. Dude, What was I going to say about
Speaker 1: jingle Ball? Oh? I was talking about the Red Carpet. Dude.
Speaker 1: That's so funny because honestly, it is crazy. How when
Speaker 1: your first off the show, it's like E and Entertainment
Speaker 1: to nine and access to Hollywood and Good Morning America,
Speaker 1: and then you go to the Red Carpet years later
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, the Cleveland Gazette, Jared, come talk
Speaker 1: to us, like, oh, I would love nothing more. Yes,
Speaker 1: please ask for me. You're like, you want to talk
Speaker 1: to me? Oh my, I'll talk to you for an
Speaker 1: hour if you want. What do you want? And then
Speaker 1: they asked us like they asked us like two questions
Speaker 1: each and it was like literally thirty second interviews. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, all right, see you it's always
Speaker 1: about other people. They're like, do you have anything about
Speaker 1: the Victoria a great thing? You're like no, I don't
Speaker 1: really know him. They're like, okay, you have a good one,
Speaker 1: all right bye, thank you. Unately, we have a we
Speaker 1: have a fresh engagement. So they asked us at least
Speaker 1: like pertinent questions, but it was. It was a sobering experience,
Speaker 1: not in a bad way, not in a bad way.
Speaker 1: And even I just got a haircut yesterday and the styler,
Speaker 1: the hair cutter, the stylist was she's like, your your
Speaker 1: Dean from The Bachelor, right, And I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I was on that show. And she's like, you
Speaker 1: must get recognized all the time, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, no, I don't. I did a long time ago.
Speaker 1: And I get maybe like one person two people a
Speaker 1: month that are like, hey, you're that guy. So it's
Speaker 1: definitely died. Hey you're that guy. Bro. I'm like, you're right,
Speaker 1: I am this guy. I'm the guy. I am a guy.
Speaker 1: My name is Dean Um. But yeah, so that's that's
Speaker 1: my little soapbox. I guess about. I heard Radio Music Festival.
Speaker 1: It was a blast. If you guys have the chance
Speaker 1: to go, you have to go. It was very very fun. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: before we get into so we're gonna have callers this week.
Speaker 1: Usually we do two episod it's a week we have
Speaker 1: the callers on Thursdays. But we don't have a guest today,
Speaker 1: so we figured let's bring on three guests a k
Speaker 1: the callers on this podcast, So we're all going to
Speaker 1: do it this week today, callers best part of the
Speaker 1: episode are coming up. We do have some dating trends
Speaker 1: that I want to get into, the top eight dating
Speaker 1: trends of two heading into But before we do that,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. All right, welcome back to
Speaker 1: help I suck at dating Dean and myself. We have
Speaker 1: some callers coming up to answer your questions about dating.
Speaker 1: Before we do that, I didn't want to get into
Speaker 1: this article that I saw in Mashable, the top eight
Speaker 1: dating trends of twenty two. Luckily this doesn't really affect
Speaker 1: Dean and I because we don't date anymore. Do you
Speaker 1: like do you go on dates with Kalen? Do you
Speaker 1: guys plan dates? We get dinner at a restaurant four
Speaker 1: times a week, the same restaurant. Oh no, but we
Speaker 1: go on like dinner dates. You go on dinner dates
Speaker 1: four times a week? Yeah, that's it's it's a combination
Speaker 1: of like going on dates and just being lazy because
Speaker 1: we hate cooking for ourselves. Um has she has been
Speaker 1: eating chicken lately, so she's been vegetarian for the past
Speaker 1: three years, and she's getting into chicken because she wants
Speaker 1: the protein content. And she's been cooking a little bit
Speaker 1: more for us, which has been delicious. Oh and I
Speaker 1: just bought us tickets to Avatar Way of Water next weekend,
Speaker 1: which that'll be exciting. Max. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, Actually, you should go see it. I yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to come. I want to see it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like a three hour epic. I'm you love the
Speaker 1: first Avatar, right, I love that. That was the first.
Speaker 1: I've done it more since then, maybe like two or
Speaker 1: three times. It was the first movie I ever saw
Speaker 1: in theaters twice really, yeah, that's how much I liked it.
Speaker 1: It's so good. It's so and I'm like, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: one of a billion people that say this, but it
Speaker 1: it was so good, and I don't I often I
Speaker 1: think it. It really goes overlooked as one of the
Speaker 1: best movies of all time. And I know you might
Speaker 1: scoff at that because you are, you know, you have
Speaker 1: a little more culture and and like you're more refined,
Speaker 1: even more sophisticated within the film industry, I'd say, And
Speaker 1: that's fine, and that's fine, But as like a non
Speaker 1: informed person that watches movies. I do think it should
Speaker 1: be in the conversation for best movies of all time.
Speaker 1: It's definitely top ten, it's probably top five. I think
Speaker 1: you could argue top three. So I think it should
Speaker 1: be more in the conversation because whenever you ask someone
Speaker 1: what their favorite movie is, I don't think i've ever
Speaker 1: heard someone say Avatar. No, it hasn't. Uh. I think
Speaker 1: he gets too much heat now because I think it's
Speaker 1: people just like being contrarians. So when it came out
Speaker 1: and got all this buzz and then it became the
Speaker 1: highest coursing film of all time, I think it was
Speaker 1: almost cool to be in the opposite category, which was, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not that good, it's overrated, and that kind of
Speaker 1: caught on. But it's a great movie. It's I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see a sequel. It was funny because a buddy
Speaker 1: in and whose single, He is a younger guy, and
Speaker 1: he was like talking about he wants to ask this
Speaker 1: girl out on a date and he wants to take
Speaker 1: her to a movie. And he's like, oh, when Avatar
Speaker 1: comes out and take her to that, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: are you out of your mind? You're gonna take this
Speaker 1: girl on a date, a first date, to a three
Speaker 1: hour movie Avatar, a movie that you're going to be
Speaker 1: paying attention to, and she probably doesn't give two rats
Speaker 1: asses about no, no, don't go. You go if you
Speaker 1: go to a movie, which I don't think you should
Speaker 1: go to a movie on a first day anyway, but
Speaker 1: if you're if you want to, you gotta go to
Speaker 1: like an hour and a half movie. I gotta be
Speaker 1: in out, quick, fast, good popcorn movie. Hey that was cool,
Speaker 1: even a horror movie. I think it's probably the way
Speaker 1: to go because they're they're always short run times, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's more of an experience because
Speaker 1: it's like the jump scares and you're like, oh, you
Speaker 1: don't have to like, you know, focus in on the movie.
Speaker 1: God forbid, Dude, she talks during the movie on a
Speaker 1: first day, you're gonna tell her to be quiet. It's Avatar.
Speaker 1: You want to watch the whole thing. To issue with
Speaker 1: a hour movie, the biggest issue in my opinion is
Speaker 1: you have to catch like an early afternoon showing, because
Speaker 1: if you go like an eight pm showing and it's
Speaker 1: three hours long, I don't care how into the movie
Speaker 1: I am at ten pm. I'm like, get me out
Speaker 1: of here. I gotta go to bed. Seriously, it needs
Speaker 1: like an intermission almost, it does need an intermission almost.
Speaker 1: So I booked us the four pm showing, so I'll
Speaker 1: report back August. What next next week? And you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, well wait want, I'm so sorry. I meant December.
Speaker 1: Good God, next week. I guess there's no. That's the
Speaker 1: one thing that I actually don't miss about living on
Speaker 1: the West coast or where a place where it's nice
Speaker 1: all the time. I can feel the change of the
Speaker 1: year by weather here, you know, in l A. I
Speaker 1: never really felt that because August it's warm. But like
Speaker 1: you know, December is the same as May and June,
Speaker 1: and June is the same as August, and September is
Speaker 1: the same as April. Here it's different. Like I walk outside,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who, so this is a chilly December nine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that there are days here in l A
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh my god, it's fifty degrees and raining.
Speaker 1: This sucks. But that's as bad as it gets, you know.
Speaker 1: And then the next day it's seventy two and sonny
Speaker 1: and you're wearing shorts and a short sleep shirt all
Speaker 1: day long, so we definitely have it. Definitely changes a
Speaker 1: small bit, but definitely not as as major as it
Speaker 1: does out there. Um, Vegas has been very cool lately,
Speaker 1: but no snow. Fortunately, you should go to the Raiders
Speaker 1: game when they play the Paths at home, they'll be
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Um all right, Before we get into the Callers,
Speaker 1: we do want to run through these eight dating trends
Speaker 1: of twenty two. So the first one is saving time
Speaker 1: and money with Zoom During the pandemic, obviously some people
Speaker 1: opted for virtual dates on Zoom. It's still a dominant
Speaker 1: dating trend, as dating coach and e Harmony relationship expert
Speaker 1: Laura House said, people are much more protective of their
Speaker 1: time now. Virtual dates make first dates lower stakes. They
Speaker 1: do save time and money, though, but it serves as uh,
Speaker 1: it serves daters as a gauge over whether they actually
Speaker 1: want to meet someone in person. So that's still a
Speaker 1: big trend. I don't know. I guess if you think
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not. I think the dating the
Speaker 1: Zoom day is over. I have a big advocate for
Speaker 1: being in person with someone. There's certain feelings and vibes
Speaker 1: that you can get when you're in the same room
Speaker 1: with someone that you can't get over the screen. There's
Speaker 1: a connection, you know. You don't get those things over
Speaker 1: the screen. Like, of course zoom was great. During the pandemic.
Speaker 1: We couldn't be together, we had to be six ft apart.
Speaker 1: It was we would rather be safe, But now I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'd rather just like, let's go on a
Speaker 1: day and let's get coffee. And if it sucks, it sucks.
Speaker 1: You know, it's at least hopefully I get a good
Speaker 1: story out of it. That's my two stapes. No, I
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly agree with you. I took a I took a
Speaker 1: weed patch last night as I was falling asleep and yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been sick lately, so I did it to sleep
Speaker 1: better throughout the night. And as was falling asleep, I
Speaker 1: randomly had this thought pop in my head that remember
Speaker 1: in the middle of the pandemic when everyone is like
Speaker 1: the world will never go back to the to the
Speaker 1: way it was before the pandemic, and I was thinking
Speaker 1: my head, I was like, we're kind of there, Like
Speaker 1: everything is basically as it was, minus like some supply
Speaker 1: chain stuff, and like the global economy is a little
Speaker 1: bit more left up now, but like your day to
Speaker 1: day life more or less is the same. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: mine is at least, like I don't feel like I'm
Speaker 1: inhibited at all because of the pandemic as it was,
Speaker 1: so I think that when like people were saying that
Speaker 1: we were never going to shake hands again, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that went away fast. It's it's it went away so fast.
Speaker 1: Everyone has kind of resumed per like status quo. So
Speaker 1: as far as dates go, I agree with you fully
Speaker 1: that zoom dates I can't believe. I can't believe that
Speaker 1: they were a thing. And it's great. I I personally,
Speaker 1: if I was saying goal in the middle of the pandemic,
Speaker 1: would have never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever
Speaker 1: ever done a zoom date. That sounds so miserable to me.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not. It's like it was necessary. You know,
Speaker 1: people needed connection, people needed conversation, especially if they were
Speaker 1: quarantined by the cells. But damn, it's not the ideal
Speaker 1: scenario it was. You know, you kind of had to
Speaker 1: just go through survival mode there and figure out what
Speaker 1: you needed to do to get through. But now it's over.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't advocate zooming anymore, you know, because
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. People will say, Oh, you should
Speaker 1: zoom with the person to see if they're creepy, and
Speaker 1: it's like, if you think, like you probably know if
Speaker 1: someone's creepy or not prior to any type of zoom
Speaker 1: meaning you know, so if you think they're creepy, to
Speaker 1: stay away. There was one girl many years ago that
Speaker 1: lived in San Francisco. I lived in Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: we met through like a mutual friend, but we had
Speaker 1: never met in person, only on social media, and I
Speaker 1: like was really interested in getting to know her, and
Speaker 1: somehow we got on to the point where I was
Speaker 1: going to fly up to San Francisco for the weekend
Speaker 1: and like stay with her and like have like an
Speaker 1: extended date in San Francisco with her, and I like,
Speaker 1: as the day was drawing closer, like this was like
Speaker 1: a Thursday, I left on a Friday. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm flying to San Francisco to spend a weekend with
Speaker 1: a person I've never met in person. That's weird, and
Speaker 1: we need to like ensure this is not gonna be weird.
Speaker 1: So we set up a zoom date before and it
Speaker 1: lasts like three minutes, and it was basically just like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a real person. Oh you're a real person. That's
Speaker 1: good to see. You can talk normal to me, and
Speaker 1: I can talk normal to you. That's good. Like, that's
Speaker 1: as far as I'll go to the point where I
Speaker 1: can't imagine like zooming for hours with someone that I'm
Speaker 1: interested maybe in dating. I don't know, it just seems
Speaker 1: kind of crazy to me. So yeah, but I see that,
Speaker 1: I could see that, I could see the practical appeal
Speaker 1: of it, like especially like you were saying, people were
Speaker 1: like starving for connection at the time. But is this
Speaker 1: article saying that zoom dates are still a thing? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they say it's a dominant dating trend. Yeah, cultural dating
Speaker 1: is still a dominant trend. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know because if if man, that's so tricky, it's it
Speaker 1: definitely works for the right person, But I do think
Speaker 1: it kind of sets up a bad cycle of habits
Speaker 1: later down the line. Like I personally wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship that is dominated by like digital
Speaker 1: like a digital thing. So if you're gonna be in
Speaker 1: a relationship or all you can really do is zoom
Speaker 1: and I understand, like just break the ice on zoom
Speaker 1: and then go from there. But like that kind of
Speaker 1: sets a precedent later on where uh like face to
Speaker 1: face isn't as important as like zooming. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's I just
Speaker 1: don't love the love the whole concept. No, I agree,
Speaker 1: And the second one here, So we'll just do this
Speaker 1: last one because we do have the colors out of
Speaker 1: lining up. But we'll talk about this pretty quickly and
Speaker 1: then we'll revisit this next week. We're hopefully we all
Speaker 1: suck a little less finding love amid inflation we talked
Speaker 1: about a little before. The economy is not the best
Speaker 1: right now. So there's actually a lot of UH singles
Speaker 1: out there in America that are a little nervous about
Speaker 1: their financial situation when going on dates. So they said,
Speaker 1: of the people that responded to this this pole, so
Speaker 1: they want to spend fifty dollars or less on a
Speaker 1: first date, that's pretty reasonable you can do. We talked
Speaker 1: about it on this podcast. So many times you can
Speaker 1: spend six dollars on the first day, just go get coffee,
Speaker 1: chill out for a while, sit down. It's all about
Speaker 1: conversation anyway, you don't need I know that our entire
Speaker 1: culture is based around food and drink. It really is
Speaker 1: when you think about it, because everything is based around
Speaker 1: go getting a drink or coffee or food. But like
Speaker 1: there are ways to do that and save money. So like,
Speaker 1: I get it. You know, it's they they actually talked
Speaker 1: about also singles wanting to increase transparency or finances in
Speaker 1: the early stages in dating. That's something. Man, money is
Speaker 1: just a tough conversation. But I get it because like
Speaker 1: I've had friends that have gone into been in relationships
Speaker 1: of people who have not been open and on is
Speaker 1: about their financial situation, and it's come back to bite
Speaker 1: them and ruin the relationship pretty much. So it's tough.
Speaker 1: There's like a balance like how early is it too
Speaker 1: early to talk about cash and money and what you
Speaker 1: have in the bank and how much money you make
Speaker 1: and then but you don't want to learn it too
Speaker 1: late because then you know, once you start getting into
Speaker 1: relationship and you're like, okay, let's start splitting the rent
Speaker 1: or paying for food or like even got you know,
Speaker 1: buying something together. It's a lot. Yeah, I remember when
Speaker 1: I was making forty dollars a year as a recruiter
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. It was something I didn't really feel
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about for the second I started making more money.
Speaker 1: Then I was waiting, like, it's weird, how if you
Speaker 1: start making money that you're more comfortable with your way,
Speaker 1: more open to talk about it, and if you're not
Speaker 1: making as much as you want, you're like kind of
Speaker 1: more hush hush about it. That was kind of my
Speaker 1: experience at least, where I was embarrassed, I guess maybe
Speaker 1: by the lack of money that I was making, and
Speaker 1: so I didn't really talk so candidly about it. But now,
Speaker 1: like with Klin, for instance, I've never had any issues
Speaker 1: of saying like, oh I make this much or oh
Speaker 1: I have this much money in my bank account. Um,
Speaker 1: because it's a little bit more of a stable figure,
Speaker 1: I guess than it was, you know, six years ago.
Speaker 1: So I can definitely see like the like it transparency
Speaker 1: is really really important, But it also kind of like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other variables that come into it,
Speaker 1: you know, like when you were when you were only
Speaker 1: bartending in Los Angeles three nights a week, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it wasn't something you were super excited to talk about
Speaker 1: with you. When I was on The Bachelor, ret Man,
Speaker 1: I was making forty grand a year and I went
Speaker 1: on this show and like, I was like, dude, obviously
Speaker 1: I want to be with Caitlin, but I am neurished
Speaker 1: he's gonna pick me, and I have to admit that,
Speaker 1: like I'm not a rich man by any stretch of imagination,
Speaker 1: so uh, we need to figure this out. Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1: I had the same thing with Rachel. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I take the bus to work. I you know, I
Speaker 1: have three roommates, like all this stuff that I like,
Speaker 1: and then there's like Brian, who's like a successful chiropractor,
Speaker 1: lives in his own house, and Peter, who you know,
Speaker 1: has his own gym. I don't know. It was definitely
Speaker 1: a daunting mountain there, dude. I remember one time somebody
Speaker 1: had I think I talked about the podcast. I would
Speaker 1: say who was obviously, but they had to do a
Speaker 1: wire transfer on while on the show, and we don't
Speaker 1: have computers or phone, so they had to use a
Speaker 1: producer there. And I don't know why I was in
Speaker 1: the room. Maybe it was like the breakfast room, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why he was like saying that he
Speaker 1: needed to do a pretty large, substantial, like around seventy
Speaker 1: thousand dollar transfer, and you wanted to make sure it
Speaker 1: went well. I was like, seventy thousand dollars. They have
Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars in their account. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so screwed. And then of course, like
Speaker 1: I felt so insecure. I remember asking a buddy of
Speaker 1: mine who was on the show. I was like how much.
Speaker 1: I was like, do you have? Do you have a
Speaker 1: good amount of savings? It's like, hm, I am I
Speaker 1: really poor right now, like for what I have in
Speaker 1: the bank account, because I don't have nearly that much. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember before I moved to l A, I lived
Speaker 1: with and I didn't live with my buddy that I
Speaker 1: moved to l A with, But we were like hanging
Speaker 1: out one night in Denver before we moved, like a
Speaker 1: week or two before we moved, and he took like
Speaker 1: forty dollars out of his A t M out of
Speaker 1: the A t M and it showed the balance on
Speaker 1: his receipt and I like peaked at it. And you know,
Speaker 1: we were like twenty three or twenty four, so we
Speaker 1: were much younger at the time, he had like twelve
Speaker 1: thou dollars in his checking account, and I was mind boggled.
Speaker 1: I was blown away. I was like, I didn't even
Speaker 1: ask you. I don't even think I've ever even told
Speaker 1: him that I saw that number, but I like literally
Speaker 1: was shocked. I was like, how does someone my age
Speaker 1: have so much money? And like, how was he not
Speaker 1: spending all of it? I was, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: it's definitely like finances, transparency very key, but there are
Speaker 1: times in people's lives where maybe it's not something they
Speaker 1: want to talk about because it is a sensitive subject,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what elso the sense of the
Speaker 1: soldier before we get the joke, because we're you know, listen,
Speaker 1: this is what we talk about here. We're very open
Speaker 1: and honest. So I don't know if you saw I
Speaker 1: saw that. Like there. I don't watch the show, but
Speaker 1: White loadus. There was an article that came out that
Speaker 1: like the guy there apparently was a scene where he
Speaker 1: was exposed, like he was totally nude, and it came
Speaker 1: out that he was wearing a prosthetic to make his
Speaker 1: and I was talking to my buddy about it. I
Speaker 1: was like that has to be a big penis. Well okay,
Speaker 1: the SOPHEO James, I don't really know. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: saw that on barstool or something like that, and it
Speaker 1: got me thinking because I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 1: another man's penis besides movies, and yes, I have seen
Speaker 1: adult films in my life, so pornographic pornographic videos. Um,
Speaker 1: I've never seen another man. I don't think, like in person.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think about it, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I have nothing to compare except like when I've googled
Speaker 1: like average penis size for a man, because obviously every
Speaker 1: guy does that. But it got me thinking because then
Speaker 1: like I I was like, I wonder, I think I'm
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was like, I think I'm okay,
Speaker 1: but like it's such a sensitive and insecure conversation because
Speaker 1: you see things on like white lotus and i'm and
Speaker 1: then of course like I didn't look at it, but
Speaker 1: I can only imagine what it looked like, And I
Speaker 1: was like, is that what women think is as normal? Size?
Speaker 1: Is that huge? Is that giant? Am? I do? I
Speaker 1: not know what small or big is? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I got me thinking, man, where are you going with this,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It got me thinking that I I
Speaker 1: have nothing to compare my own way except with what
Speaker 1: I can only imagine are the biggest Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Do I have a jaded sense of
Speaker 1: what like a good size should be because I was.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about them, like everything else in
Speaker 1: my life I can compare with, And I was thinking
Speaker 1: about finances as well, because like I can have certain
Speaker 1: conversations with friends about money and things of that nature,
Speaker 1: but like I've never been like, Yo, what's what's going
Speaker 1: on down there? How are you doing? You know? You know,
Speaker 1: it's just like I don't have anything to compare with.
Speaker 1: I've definitely snucked a few peaks in my life just
Speaker 1: out of sheer curiosity. And I'm sure you're doing just fine.
Speaker 1: But there there were some, you know, like in high
Speaker 1: school and like someone sleeps with someone and then like
Speaker 1: the rumors start circulating. And I remember there's this one guy,
Speaker 1: best looking guy in school, slept with this girl who
Speaker 1: he ended up dating, and she was like talking crap
Speaker 1: about his his member and how small it was, and
Speaker 1: she made a comment like it was like a pinky finger,
Speaker 1: and I was like, pinky finger I was like, and
Speaker 1: then I was and then my whole life I was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: not my whole life, obviously, but for a long time
Speaker 1: I was thinking like that's so small, like there's and
Speaker 1: I'm like she had she was exaggerating. Obviously, there's no
Speaker 1: way she was talking the truth. But you're right, like
Speaker 1: you go through so much of your life and like
Speaker 1: I had that information for like in my brain and
Speaker 1: I was like, is that normal for a guy to
Speaker 1: be like a pinky finger size? Because that it just
Speaker 1: it was mind blowing to me, and like, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of not like misinformation, but we don't have
Speaker 1: like the craziest ever, there's not You're not gonna go
Speaker 1: up to your buddies and be like, hey, can I
Speaker 1: just see you like flash and real quick, like pull
Speaker 1: the pants down for a second. Man, I just need
Speaker 1: to know, yeah, because it's definitely something that, um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Do you think we should talk about it more?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because then of course you hear about
Speaker 1: showers versus growers, And now I'm thinking, like, I like,
Speaker 1: I have an idea about what I think I am,
Speaker 1: but truthfully, I don't. I've also have I ever seen
Speaker 1: like another man's just because I was never in the
Speaker 1: locker room. Like I never really showered with other dudes,
Speaker 1: so I've never really been in that environment. So like
Speaker 1: it's like, I know what mine looks like. You were
Speaker 1: sit in front of a floor length like a full
Speaker 1: length mirror, um butt naked and fully erect. No, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: well I've done it. It looks very very weird. It
Speaker 1: looks very weird. Yes, just like just to see, just
Speaker 1: to see what you're like body composition looks like when
Speaker 1: you're like that, because it looks it looks weird looking
Speaker 1: at yourself and seeing something like protrude out of you
Speaker 1: in a way that doesn't look natural. It Just just
Speaker 1: try it for me sometimes. Just the next time you
Speaker 1: get out of the shower, just go and and do
Speaker 1: you know, just enough to get you to that point.
Speaker 1: But don't do anything like silly or anything like that. Um,
Speaker 1: but go stand in front of the mirror and just
Speaker 1: look at yourself and like turn to the side and
Speaker 1: like see your side profile. No way, this is not happening, dude.
Speaker 1: I'll just be so I'll be depressed for four months.
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna you know what you're working with
Speaker 1: it just is a funny way to see yourself. It's
Speaker 1: just my body naked. It's just this is way t
Speaker 1: am I. But just like I've never like I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I try to keep myself in good shape, but I'll
Speaker 1: never understand the appeal of like just guys like because
Speaker 1: like hair, you know, like I have hair on my
Speaker 1: thighs and just like hair on my knuckles. That's why
Speaker 1: it's funny to see yourself in that like very vulnerable position,
Speaker 1: because it's just I don't know, it's you've done it.
Speaker 1: I know you've done it, and I know you're just playing.
Speaker 1: Never I swear to God, I would tell you where
Speaker 1: what we been talking about in this podcast for that
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. I've never stood in front of not that
Speaker 1: I can remember. Like I've stood in a bathroom mirror
Speaker 1: obviously and seen from like you know, the thighs up,
Speaker 1: but you're talking head to toe. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever owned a full body mirror until I started living
Speaker 1: with Ashley. As I was gonna say, Ashley's got a
Speaker 1: few in the house. Oh, she definitely has a few
Speaker 1: in the house. So now like, yeah, I could practically
Speaker 1: do it there's actually one right next to me. But dude,
Speaker 1: could you imagine if Ashley walked in on me as
Speaker 1: I'm just like standing there, what the hell are you doing? Like? Oh,
Speaker 1: we were talking about on the podcast. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: You've got some homework for the next episode. Just do
Speaker 1: that for me, just one time and report back. Don't
Speaker 1: give me details, but just tell me how it made
Speaker 1: you feel, because it's like, it's very very interesting. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna make me feel good. Ashley just walked in
Speaker 1: perfect time. Well, let's segue to the callers, and it's
Speaker 1: a good place to take a break. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: one quick break and then bring in our callers. Be
Speaker 1: right back, Yeah right, everybody, welcome back. We've got Joe
Speaker 1: here calling in. Joe, are you there? Yeah? Yeah, how's
Speaker 1: it going, Joe? Thanks for calling? And what's going on today? Yeah? So,
Speaker 1: just wondering, like, is it bad? Debate? Excuse me? Is
Speaker 1: it bad to date your best buddies X? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels it feels bad. I'm just gonna come right
Speaker 1: out and say it. Yes, it's bad to date your
Speaker 1: mean is it an ex like it's an ex girlferd?
Speaker 1: Or is it like he went on a date with
Speaker 1: this girl. I mean he so he broke up with her,
Speaker 1: like he wasn't feeling it. They've been broken up for
Speaker 1: like eight Yeah, it's been like eight months, and again
Speaker 1: he broke up with her, and yeah, like, I'm I
Speaker 1: like her, you know, so I think the most the
Speaker 1: most important thing that you should do, if this is
Speaker 1: something you want to do and you you like her,
Speaker 1: like you say, is before you do anything, before you
Speaker 1: even ask her out, before you even expressed any interest
Speaker 1: in her, you have to talk to your best friend
Speaker 1: about it and okay with it? What did he say?
Speaker 1: He's cool with it? But I'm still like, I'm still
Speaker 1: not sure, you know, I don't know if he's like
Speaker 1: just being a good friend, you know. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: still not sure if it's the right thing or not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've definitely been in the scenario before. Um, and you
Speaker 1: you already have a leg up on me. I wanted
Speaker 1: to date someone that one of my best friends had
Speaker 1: dated and didn't even date. They just like cooked up
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and I didn't ask him, not
Speaker 1: ask for permission. That's kind of you know, misogynistic, I guess,
Speaker 1: but kind of more like have him weigh in on
Speaker 1: the subject a little bit. Uh, And he got very
Speaker 1: very very angry at me, rightfully so, and I do
Speaker 1: feel guilty about it. So you've already got the leg
Speaker 1: up on me in that sense. If he said it's okay,
Speaker 1: then then yeah, then it's fine. Be gauys Like, if
Speaker 1: he does get upset about something later on, you could
Speaker 1: just be like, well, dude, you told me it was okay.
Speaker 1: If you really didn't think it was okay, you should
Speaker 1: have told me not to. So I think you're I
Speaker 1: think it's fine. Like like you said, if you talk
Speaker 1: to him about it and he's okay with it, I
Speaker 1: don't see the issue. All right, Yeah, all right, thanks Joe,
Speaker 1: thanks for calling this. Thanks thanks guys. All right. I
Speaker 1: like when we have guys calling because I feel like
Speaker 1: we get better advice to guys. Maybe not better, but
Speaker 1: we have more like information to pull. First, well, we're
Speaker 1: not as um sugarcoat. We don't sugarcoat our answers with
Speaker 1: the guys. Like girls was like, oh, well your goal
Speaker 1: will be fine. You're doing okay. We guys were like, dude,
Speaker 1: don't don't you out of your mind? Next up, we
Speaker 1: have Brandon calling in, Brandon, are you there? Acting to
Speaker 1: the audio. He's got a very nice profile picture by
Speaker 1: the way, I don't think the listeners will be able
Speaker 1: to see this, of course, but very handsome man. And
Speaker 1: he's got a cute little smirk smilee thing going on.
Speaker 1: While we're waiting. There was a girl like him into
Speaker 1: Audrey's and she was so sweet and she was like,
Speaker 1: just by the way, I'm a part of Stuck Army.
Speaker 1: I was like, hell, yes, hell, yes, you are so
Speaker 1: so suck suck Audrey. She was so sweet, it was great.
Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, blending Audrey's wild help
Speaker 1: us suck a dating, which I do all the time anyway,
Speaker 1: when we record from the office. I've recorded from the
Speaker 1: office and quite some time we haven't. I haven't been
Speaker 1: making eggs while recording this podcast in like a couple
Speaker 1: of months. It's been pretty good. Do you know that
Speaker 1: you mentioned it you have stopped that? Was that intentional
Speaker 1: or are you just working less hours? A little bit
Speaker 1: of both, A little bit both. I'm I'm dialing it
Speaker 1: back a little bit because you know, Ashley will probably
Speaker 1: you know, throw me off the second story of the house.
Speaker 1: If I started working if I was still working as much.
Speaker 1: But um, definitely tone that back down. Plus it was
Speaker 1: also intentional. It was probably not the best way to
Speaker 1: record a podcast while being every two seconds being like hey,
Speaker 1: we'll definitely it definitely showed us your priorities and the
Speaker 1: really hurt to see. But you know what, we moved on. Brandon,
Speaker 1: you finally connected the audio. How are you, buddy? Hi?
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. I couldn't find the button. I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing You're good, You're good, We're
Speaker 1: doing good. What's going on today? Okay, so I'm kind
Speaker 1: of dealing with a little bit of an issue with
Speaker 1: this girl who I was trying to go on a
Speaker 1: date with and she canceled last minute on me, and
Speaker 1: then later on that night she posts on Instagram on
Speaker 1: her story at the exact same place with a bunch
Speaker 1: of her friends. Yeah. So I don't know why she
Speaker 1: felt the need to lie to me, but she did.
Speaker 1: She definitely didn't tell me that she's still playing on
Speaker 1: going out with her friends. Like she called me earlier
Speaker 1: on in the day and text me to see if
Speaker 1: I was busy and see if I wanted to go
Speaker 1: out with her. I was like, yeah, of course. So
Speaker 1: I rushed home, got ready, and then she sends me
Speaker 1: a text like fifteen minutes at very get home, saying
Speaker 1: that she's feeling sleepy or whatever. And when I talked
Speaker 1: about the phone, she definitely didn't sound sleepy, so I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, whatever, And I was a little piste
Speaker 1: off because I had to rush around and kind of
Speaker 1: get ready, But that's fine. It happens, no big deal.
Speaker 1: And then later on at night, I'm on my phone,
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram, and then I see that she's posting stories,
Speaker 1: so I click on it and she's literally at the
Speaker 1: exact same restaurant that we planned to go to with
Speaker 1: a bunch of her girlfriends, having a good time, not sleepy,
Speaker 1: not at home. And it's like, what, what the why?
Speaker 1: Why why lie to me? Why be childish? Why not
Speaker 1: tell me directly? Let's have an honest converse. It's not
Speaker 1: that big of a deal, Like just be oh, I forgot,
Speaker 1: I want to go meet up with my girlfriends tonight.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, like, I have no idea what's going on.
Speaker 1: She spurred the streets, Brandon, she spura the streets man,
Speaker 1: And to me, the hardest part is that like, now
Speaker 1: you're forever a liar, and now I can't trust anything
Speaker 1: over something so small, like you can't you have to
Speaker 1: lie over some tiny like that, I understand. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I actually don't understand lying to any to that degree,
Speaker 1: at least I don't. I don't get it. Here's here's
Speaker 1: what sucks in my opinion, is uh, because I've had
Speaker 1: something like this happened to me before as well, and
Speaker 1: all it did it for me was make me more
Speaker 1: were interested in the person. So I hope for you
Speaker 1: that that's not the case, because someone that's like disrespectful
Speaker 1: like that is definitely not worth your time. What I
Speaker 1: imagine happened is like she had plans to go to
Speaker 1: this place with her friends, and her friends maybe like canceled,
Speaker 1: and so she was like, oh, maybe I'll just bring
Speaker 1: Brandon with me instead, and then her friends uncancelled, and
Speaker 1: then so she canceled with you. That's kind of how
Speaker 1: I imagine it playing out in my head, regardless of
Speaker 1: how it happened. Not cool, And I personally think it's
Speaker 1: like enough of a reason to kind of like stop
Speaker 1: pursuing this person, you know. Yeah, it's just weird. It's all,
Speaker 1: it's just weird. People are weird, Like why lie about that?
Speaker 1: What's the big deal? And not to mention she posts
Speaker 1: on her storage, did you think she thinks she you
Speaker 1: weren't going to see it? That's the other thing. It's
Speaker 1: like you posted, you go out and of course you're
Speaker 1: gonna see it. That that's the issue. Is that okay,
Speaker 1: at least shot of me seeing it. I see it.
Speaker 1: Now I have to ask her about it. That puts
Speaker 1: me in a weird situation. Now I have to believe
Speaker 1: the lie that she's gonna tell me about story and
Speaker 1: then and then now it's just why lie were We
Speaker 1: don't have to be like that, Like that's the main
Speaker 1: You know, women talk about what I don't want to
Speaker 1: put generalize here, but I've heard a lot of women
Speaker 1: talk about communication and the importance of communication. Well then
Speaker 1: why are you lying so much every for tiny little
Speaker 1: things that don't matter, mundane things? And I know guys
Speaker 1: do it too, but that's the core of it. People
Speaker 1: talk about communication and they're so full of crap about it. Dude,
Speaker 1: Brandon is bringing the fire. I like Brandon, I gotta ask,
Speaker 1: what do you what does your gut tell you to
Speaker 1: do with the situation. Do you think you want to
Speaker 1: keep talking this person or do you think it's put
Speaker 1: to bed. I think it's put to bed once I
Speaker 1: find out you're a liar. Now I'm questioning everything, and
Speaker 1: why be in a situation where every conversation I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that could be a lie, that could be a lie,
Speaker 1: that could be It's totally unhealthy. So now I have
Speaker 1: to just go, Okay, wash my hands by, see you
Speaker 1: later onto the next one. I guess. Do you think
Speaker 1: you're gonna give her a chance to explain the situation? No,
Speaker 1: because all, like I said, her explanation won't be She
Speaker 1: didn't look like she was sleepy and like her friends
Speaker 1: dragged her out because it was a birthday party or
Speaker 1: something like that. To me, it just looked like she
Speaker 1: canceled on me and went out with her friends and
Speaker 1: just had a good time and didn't have the goal
Speaker 1: to tell me about it. And that's ridiculous. You're an adult, Like,
Speaker 1: let's have a conversation, Brandon. I really appreciate you calling
Speaker 1: in about this because it's it's not really a question
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's more of a venting session for you.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you can get it all out there. Um,
Speaker 1: I agree with I agree with you, Like any explanation
Speaker 1: she gives you, you're gonna in the back of your
Speaker 1: head be thinking the whole time, like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: believe any of the things you're saying right now. So
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that there's nothing she
Speaker 1: can really say to amend the situation. And it sucks,
Speaker 1: like it definitely hurts, Like you, you get excited, you
Speaker 1: get dressed up, and you are looking forward to this day,
Speaker 1: and then she cancels, and then to even throw a
Speaker 1: sault in the wound. Then she's posting stories from the
Speaker 1: place that you were supposed to go together. So it
Speaker 1: definitely sucks, Like I I don't envy the situation that
Speaker 1: you're in, but it sounds like you got a good
Speaker 1: head on your shoulders in the sense that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna stand for it, because if she's lying
Speaker 1: about this this early on, what else is she gonna
Speaker 1: lie about later on? And like, what else does she
Speaker 1: have going on that she's not telling you about? So
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you're saying. Definitely a crappy situation,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you guys, listen to me and I
Speaker 1: apologize if I was vancing a little too hard. Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: but yeah, best of luck moving forward, all right, take care?
Speaker 1: Thanks bye? That was great. Yeah, that was great. Call back.
Speaker 1: Please every week please co host with us. Actually, all right,
Speaker 1: Next up, we have Amy calling in. Hi, Amy, How
Speaker 1: are you good? How are you guys? Good? Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us. What's going on today? I'm just calling
Speaker 1: to get some advice from you guys. All right, what
Speaker 1: do you got? All right? So? Oh, um, I want
Speaker 1: to know how I can tell if I'm rebounding or
Speaker 1: if I'm generally genuinely interested in someone, Because I broke
Speaker 1: up with my boyfriend about a month and a half ago, um,
Speaker 1: and we were dating for two years. It's been rocky
Speaker 1: for a while. But when I do start to date again,
Speaker 1: I want to show up as like the best person
Speaker 1: I can be and not use someone as a rebound,
Speaker 1: you know, um? And I just I guess I'm asking, like,
Speaker 1: how can I tell the difference between using someone as
Speaker 1: a rebound and really wanting to pursue a relationship with
Speaker 1: them and and like knowing them for who they are?
Speaker 1: You know? Well, my gut tells me it was a
Speaker 1: rebound if you dated your ex for two years into
Speaker 1: only been a month and a half. I feel like,
Speaker 1: I feel like a general rule would be for every
Speaker 1: year you dated someone, it's gonna take like a good
Speaker 1: three months, I'd say, to really jump back into a
Speaker 1: relationship or it. So if you did it for two
Speaker 1: you said two years, Yeah, two years, so you're only
Speaker 1: a month and a half into your six month yeah
Speaker 1: after X thing. Yeah, Like, I know I've rebounded before
Speaker 1: because I had a relationship in the past where I
Speaker 1: dated someone right after and it felt so real, it
Speaker 1: was so infatuated, and then um, shortly after sleeping together,
Speaker 1: I quickly realized that I wasn't over my ex um
Speaker 1: and that had been eight months at that time. So
Speaker 1: I I personally think rebounding is totally okay to do.
Speaker 1: People rebound all the time for various reasons. Will Chamberlain
Speaker 1: made a whole career out of rebounding. Dennis Rodmin Dennis
Speaker 1: Rodman the Worm. The Worm was one of the best
Speaker 1: rebounders in the history basketball. I think rebounding is totally fine,
Speaker 1: and I I kind of agree with what Jared is
Speaker 1: saying where it's like, yeah, one month per year you
Speaker 1: were dating share but also like there's never a timeline
Speaker 1: you can put on it, and if you meet someone
Speaker 1: soe and after breaking up with your X, I I
Speaker 1: hate the idea of saying, like, oh, I can't date
Speaker 1: you right now because I think it's too soon after
Speaker 1: my last relationship. Like you should just you should date
Speaker 1: and do what feels natural. And yeah, some people might
Speaker 1: call to rebound you and your head might think it's
Speaker 1: a rebound rebound, but like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if you're doing what you want to be doing and
Speaker 1: like dating a person you want to be dating, I
Speaker 1: don't really see the issue with it, Like there's there
Speaker 1: there's no like there's no set structure on how long
Speaker 1: you should wait, and like it sounds like by by
Speaker 1: labeling it a rebound, I think what we do is
Speaker 1: like we kind of like explain to ourselves and make
Speaker 1: it right in our heads because the society has taught
Speaker 1: us that there needs to be a certain like cool
Speaker 1: down period before we can date someone else. And like
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that's the case. I think like
Speaker 1: you should just kind of do what feels natural, and like,
Speaker 1: if you still have lingering feelings about your X, that
Speaker 1: might be bad, but I think that's also pretty natural,
Speaker 1: especially if you really love the person, Like eventually those
Speaker 1: will fade and then eventually you'll, you know, you'll gain
Speaker 1: feelings for whoever else. But I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's I don't think rebounding is as bad as
Speaker 1: people make it seem. Here's a question for you, so
Speaker 1: the new guy. Hypothetically, let's play a game where if
Speaker 1: your X came back into the scenario and said I
Speaker 1: want you back, would you take them back or would
Speaker 1: you stick with the new guy? Oh? Yeah, that's the question, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if if your gut tells you I would take my
Speaker 1: X back right now because I want to be with
Speaker 1: them more, then you're probably not ready to move on
Speaker 1: to a new relationship. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. But at the same time, too, she would
Speaker 1: maybe only want to take the X back because that's like,
Speaker 1: you have two years of time together, so you're way
Speaker 1: more familiar with this person than you are with this
Speaker 1: That makes this new guy a rebound, which is totally fine.
Speaker 1: But if you're if you don't want to use someone
Speaker 1: as a rebound, then I would say, you know, acts
Speaker 1: off the new relationship if you would still get back
Speaker 1: together with your X. Yeah, that's that's fair, that's a
Speaker 1: that's maybe how we should start looking at that. If
Speaker 1: you think you're might be dating a rebound, then you
Speaker 1: can kind of understand better in your head whether you
Speaker 1: are not by deciding if you would take the X
Speaker 1: back if they came back in your life. So I
Speaker 1: do kind of agree with that, but at the same
Speaker 1: time to like, well, no, I guess you're right, Jared,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you Dean, though.
Speaker 1: I don't think like there's anything wrong with rebounding either,
Speaker 1: as long as you guys are on the same page
Speaker 1: and it's and you know that, Hey, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not ready for a relationship yet, but you know I
Speaker 1: would still like to hang out. It is. It is
Speaker 1: tricky if I were dating someone that was still hung
Speaker 1: up on their X, like if they still thought about them,
Speaker 1: they still love them, they still wanted to be with them,
Speaker 1: I would be upset about dating that person. So I
Speaker 1: think the most important thing is it's not the distinction
Speaker 1: between a rebound or not rebound. It's the distinction of
Speaker 1: are you still hung up on your X, because then
Speaker 1: you're not putting all of yourself into the new relationships.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I come from with that situation.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I got you. That's gonna be my
Speaker 1: my like tester there go, you're like this test for
Speaker 1: whether you're rebounding or not. Maybe thanks for calling in.
Speaker 1: We hope we helped. Uh. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: did or not, but no, buts what we do here.
Speaker 1: Thank you? Um, all right, Well so no Thursday episode
Speaker 1: this week on Jared. No Thursday episode this week, just
Speaker 1: just once a week. Well, well, we'll get back to
Speaker 1: our Thursdays next week once we are get our guests
Speaker 1: back in line. Um, but you know, condensed week. It's
Speaker 1: the holidays. Man, everybody's taking some time off. We should
Speaker 1: have like a like a listener of this podcast co
Speaker 1: hosting episode with us. Is that possible? Can we get
Speaker 1: something like that going? Let's talk to the higher ups,
Speaker 1: Let's talk to our bosses. Oh yeah, they said yes,
Speaker 1: So let's do it. Let's bring a sucky datter to
Speaker 1: come in and co host with us. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: give him the email I would. I think we should
Speaker 1: seriously do this, so email. I suck at dating at
Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com or d M s on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Tell us you want to call host an episode with
Speaker 1: Dean and I and then we'll make it happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds fun. That sounds like it would be a
Speaker 1: real enjoyable experience for everyone involved. It could really go
Speaker 1: off the hay wire pretty easily, but may better content.
Speaker 1: That's all we strive for is to what we do,
Speaker 1: a whole enjoyable, consumable content for the sucky dators out there.
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it. For this week's episode of Help
Speaker 1: I Suck at Dating, Jared, I'm so sorry for offending
Speaker 1: you about me on a steel, but I stand strong
Speaker 1: in my conviction. Um. I will report back next week
Speaker 1: and let you know how Avatar Way of Water is actually.
Speaker 1: I think by the time we record this next week,
Speaker 1: I will not have seen this and maybe two weeks
Speaker 1: from now. Um. But thank you to our callers. Let
Speaker 1: me try to remember the names, Amy, Brandon, Joe. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for calling in. We appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: Um and if you want to co host an episode
Speaker 1: with us, it's just spit ball here, just trying to
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Speaker 1: It's quite impot it's it's hard to do, and we
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