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Speaker 3: Before we begin, please note that for this story we

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Speaker 3: interviewed Medium and everyone else for dozens of hours in Spanish.

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Speaker 3: We hired actors to voice their words in English between jokes,

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Speaker 3: pasta and coffee. The search for the planes used during

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Speaker 3: the dictatorship continues slowly, a lot slower than Medium and

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Speaker 3: jih Gadlo would like. They fall into a routine. After

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Speaker 3: Medium's day job, she goes straight to Jihangadlo's apartment. They

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Speaker 3: keep investigating with zero funding, zero outside help, even from

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Speaker 3: Canal Trece the TV channel Medium works for. At this point,

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Speaker 3: all Medium and Jihgadlo have is each other.

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Speaker 4: Every time we come across a new piece of information,

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Speaker 4: it's just pure joy.

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Speaker 3: Days become weak, then months it's dragging, and finding the

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Speaker 4: The last information we had come across was from the

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Speaker 4: nineteen eighties. By that point we knew the type of

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Speaker 4: planes that were used, the Electras and the sky Vans.

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Speaker 4: We had also identified how many they had bought of

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Speaker 3: One afternoon, the apartment is silent, just Medium and Giancarlo

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Speaker 3: scaring the internet again. Then they stumbled on this obscure

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Speaker 4: We discovered word the spotters.

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Speaker 3: People who as a hobby, track specific planes around the world.

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Speaker 3: They build logs and websites mapping out their sightings.

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Speaker 4: These spotters were like our Hansel and Gretel. They left

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Speaker 5: And we start finding the missing details about the planes.

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Speaker 3: From orbit media. I'm Andres Kaba Schedo. This is Avenger

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Speaker 3: the story of Medium Lewin Episode four the planes. As

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Speaker 5: This film had a huge impact on me. It really

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Speaker 3: The movie Gachio Limpo, named after a torture center, portrays

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Speaker 6: Cambreea the acting for me was always a pseudo hobby.

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Speaker 6: It all started back in school. I was the lead

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Speaker 6: I was studying medicine. He was three am when we

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Speaker 3: Enrique was among the Argentines who were appalled by what

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Speaker 6: We are the ones that did not have the courage

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Speaker 6: all the crimes that during that period or not going away,

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Speaker 6: The film Garaje Olimpo was all about that.

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Speaker 3: About the relationship between capture and prisoner and the risk

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Speaker 6: The thing is that my real passion has always been planes.

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Speaker 6: When I was three years old, I was already a pilot.

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Speaker 6: Had no license, of course, but I knew everything I

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Speaker 5: During his time there, Rique had denounced ir regularities inside

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Speaker 5: their planes crashed. Sixty seven people died. It is the

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Speaker 5: worst aviation accident of Argentine history.

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Speaker 3: Enrique isn't the type to let something go. He isn't passive,

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Speaker 6: I wanted to tell the story about what led to

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Speaker 5: He had a strong moral compass and his reasons to

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Speaker 5: but all that aside. Enric was an expert complanes.

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Speaker 3: And from a very wealthy family. In a recent newspaper interview,

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, I did well when I chose my grandfather.

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Speaker 3: His grandfather helped lead an Argentine conglomerate that's been around

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Speaker 4: Enrique is the son of one of Argentina's rich families.

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Speaker 4: They'd start businesses and then turn them into multinational enterprises.

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Speaker 3: So for Medium and gian Carlo, if they could interest

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Speaker 3: There was also a surprising link between Enrique and Medium.

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Speaker 4: When I watched his film about the plane crash, which

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Speaker 4: archival footage, a clip of me confronting an airline executive,

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Speaker 3: Medium asks the executive if he thinks he's made any mistakes,

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Speaker 6: Sadly, Argentine journalism is very passive, but Miriam had this

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Speaker 4: Giancarlo convinced me it was a good idea to gauge

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Speaker 3: So Giancarlo invites Endrique and Medium over for dinner and we.

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Speaker 4: Show up at Giancarlo's apartment at the same time. He

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Speaker 4: asked me what type of wine I had brought. I

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Speaker 6: I remember going to Giancarlo's apartment. He made pasta ala matriciana.

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Speaker 6: He thought it was fabulous, but I thought it lacks something.

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Speaker 3: He's obnoxious, but Jiancadlo sees beyond that.

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Speaker 5: Sure Rika has a huge ego, but it was always

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Speaker 3: Giancadlo greets them and they start talking about the planes

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Speaker 3: they had identified, three Lectras and three sky Vans. They

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Speaker 5: I told Enrique, I really think we can get to

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Speaker 6: I told him he was right. Not every pilot can

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Speaker 4: That night, and Rique made great points. I felt that

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Speaker 6: The thing is, I'm not one to just throw my

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Speaker 4: I remember a deep sigh from him, followed by a

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Speaker 4: that day, almost thought about just quitting the investigation.

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Speaker 5: On one list, there was a plane called Rio Grande.

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Speaker 5: He was one of the electors. When we started digging

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Speaker 5: into it, we found out that for more than a

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Speaker 3: This was the third and final Electra on their list.

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Speaker 3: The other two one was in a military museum, the

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Speaker 3: So the plane in Buenos Aires was the only one

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Speaker 3: about its past, the death flights. They have to see

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Speaker 3: to go to Italy for an assignment. Medium will have

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Speaker 4: Just thinking about it made me dizzy noxious. It's like

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Speaker 4: my body was warning me, telling me, don't you dare

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Speaker 4: go look at that plane. But Giancarlo insisted. He called

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Speaker 4: and I promised him.

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Speaker 3: I'd go, and she does. But since Giancadlo isn't around,

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Speaker 3: they call a cab driver. They'd befriended Gustao. He and

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Speaker 3: Medium have a lot in common.

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Speaker 4: His brother was also a victim during the Dirty War

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Speaker 4: and kidnapped, just like me. The story was so familiar.

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Speaker 4: When we got closer to the plane, it was so weird,

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Speaker 2: I remember seeing a bunch of old pinball machines and

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Speaker 2: We stood there for a minute in silence. That was

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Speaker 3: From the car, Medium can see the plane's cargo door.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't help but think about how this plane had

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Speaker 3: Even though medium couldn't force herself to go near the plane,

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Speaker 4: So I am reading Parhinadose, a major newspaper, and I

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Speaker 4: the Elektra at the Junkyard. I was furious. I couldn't

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Speaker 4: In the next episode, I storm into my boss's office,

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Speaker 4: a Canaldre, I hand him the article and tell him

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Speaker 3: From Orbit Media. This is Avenger, the story of Medium Luin.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host and senior producer andres CAAA Schedo. The

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Speaker 3: series was produced by Seguiel Rodrie Sandino and edited by

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Speaker 3: Monica Campbell. Original score Nicolas Paschela, mixing and mastering Christopher

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Speaker 3: Hoff and Austin Smith. Assistant producers Andres Feschtenholz and Eleanna Gillespi.

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Speaker 3: Casting director Paula Gammon Wilson. The executive producers from Orbit

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Speaker 3: Media are Steve Fishman Fisher, Stevens, Marcy Wiseman, and Katie Springer.

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Speaker 3: The voice actors in Avenger include Alexis Blodel as Mediam Lewin,

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Speaker 3: Fulvio de la Volta as Giancarlo Siraudo, Gonzalo Vargas as

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Speaker 3: Enrique Pinedo, Edgardo Manono Castro as Bruno Vain and Tom

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Speaker 3: in association with Sonodo. The Sonoto executive producers are Camilla Victoriano,

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Speaker 3: Joshua Weinstein and Jasmine Bromedo. The rest of the Sonoda

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Speaker 3: production team includes Senior producer Carmen Gratol, editor Rodrigo Crespo,

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Speaker 3: Producer Paloma Navarro, Nicoletti, Evelyn Uribe, Marianna Cornello, Sara Mota,

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Speaker 3: Radio and Casa and Pomeraanec Recording Studios in Buenos Aires,

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Speaker 3: and to Medium Lewin and Giancarlo Serraldo for letting us

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