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Speaker 1: Really really dalks. Because it is Monday, July fifteenth, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and this is Morning Combat. Hello everybody, my name is

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. I am the host of this program along

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Speaker 1: with my friend and esteemed colleague Brian Campbell. We're here

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Speaker 1: to take you through all of the weekend's combat sports

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Speaker 1: action and to get you ready for the upcoming weekend

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Speaker 1: as well. Brian, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: My friend hashtag fired up and well caffeinated.

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Speaker 1: First of all, thank you everyone who watched the debut

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Speaker 1: episode to really appreciate. I got a lot of positive feedback,

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Speaker 1: and as you can see, the upgrades are already in effect,

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Speaker 1: and I should note, Brian Campbell, I should note they

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Speaker 1: are not done. These are the first of many you

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Speaker 1: will see so slowly week over week. You're gonna say, I.

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Speaker 2: Know you're not big on other people's opinions or the comments. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: don't care the commenters below, but they were a little

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Speaker 2: fearful that we were in like guantam obey or maybe

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Speaker 2: like fulsome prisoners. Yeah, reason, I mean, there are bloodstains

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Speaker 2: on the wall here. But I will say we are

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Speaker 2: allowed one conjugal visit per episode, though, so that's really

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Speaker 2: not that you know what.

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Speaker 1: You are a weird person, but we will roll on

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Speaker 1: just the same. So let's get to it if we can.

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, let's start out with the UFC Sacramento over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, taking place, of course, in the name city there.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the main event. I actually don't think

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Speaker 1: that's the most important story there, but I do think

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Speaker 1: it was the juicy guest, which is to say, Jermaine

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Speaker 1: Durando me defeats Aspen Ladd. I think something. In like

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Speaker 1: sixteen seconds, herb Dean intervenes. Now we can all agree

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Speaker 1: the right hand she landed on aspen Ladd just an

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Speaker 1: absolutely thunderous crack coming out of the show. Though everyone

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Speaker 1: is saying I'm not everyone, but a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are saying bad stoppage. Are you in the bad stoppage group?

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Speaker 1: Are you in the good stoppage group? Take us away?

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Speaker 2: Bad stop it straight up, bad stop. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to sit here and give you the disturbing trend for

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Speaker 2: Herbdan's career going in the wrong direction. This has been

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Speaker 2: an unfortunate two to three incidents in a row. But

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Speaker 2: if we're just going to isolate what happened is asking

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Speaker 2: rebby Laller and then this, yeah, people, I thought he

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Speaker 2: left through Luke rock Hold take a couple extra punts

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Speaker 2: against yon wawachit. I cannot I it. I just can't

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Speaker 2: hit it. I just I can't knael that though. Shout

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Speaker 2: out to Polish Twitter. By the way, you ever see

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Speaker 2: Polish boxing Twitter? The come at people. My point is this,

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Speaker 2: it was a bad stoping straight up aspen lad sits

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Speaker 2: down from that punch. Never get it, never was knocked

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Speaker 2: out cold. Never of course she didn't defend herself from

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Speaker 2: the follow up punch, So I see the people online going, look,

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Speaker 2: in the end, you can hate it or not, but

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Speaker 2: her being did the right thing. He saved her from

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Speaker 2: a flush follow up punch. Okay, maybe that's in the

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Speaker 2: long term a good thing for her long term health,

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Speaker 2: but within the status of that fight that she signed

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Speaker 2: up for, that meant a lot in terms of the

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Speaker 2: title picture. At one hundred and thirty five pounds, all

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Speaker 2: she did was get dropped by one right hand, wasn't

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Speaker 2: out cold, wasn't on her back, sat up, got spun around.

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Speaker 2: You kind of got to give her the chance to

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Speaker 2: eat that shot, and you got to give her the

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Speaker 2: and make it a fight. I mean, aspen Lad young

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Speaker 2: in this game, I felt bad for her on that stoppage.

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Speaker 2: She's merely a freshman in this game in a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways. But it's like now she's guilt stricken, sob

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Speaker 2: and with the head on the floor and it's herb

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Speaker 2: Deane's fault.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, as I pointed out before, there

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Speaker 1: was a question about whether this was a worthy man event,

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Speaker 1: and it was a worthy fight. That'spen Lad deserved to

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Speaker 1: main card a couple of factors going into that one.

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Speaker 1: Were there any jitters? I don't think so, but it's

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Speaker 1: least worth as a relevant question. And the question I

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Speaker 1: herb intervened because of the weight cut? And the answers

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Speaker 1: we don't know, and let me score the circle here.

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Speaker 1: Here's why that's important. I actually think it was not

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Speaker 1: a great stoppage. I don't know how bad of a

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Speaker 1: It appeared before the follow up shot from Durand to

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Speaker 1: her from additional abuse, in which case, okay, great stoppage.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's not his role to save her from additional abuse,

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Speaker 1: you're not covering. It's a bad sign. My point is this, Brian,

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Speaker 1: there is no referees association. There is no willingness by

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Speaker 1: by commissions to I'm not asking them to defend to

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Speaker 1: every Tom Dick and Harry. But the reality is most people,

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Speaker 1: including us, were not certified referees. We actually don't know

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Speaker 1: what the proper protocol is, and the referees and the

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Speaker 1: commissions enable this operate under OMERTA. They will not speak

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Speaker 1: to the public, they will never defend any decision. And

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Speaker 1: here's my point about this. I'm not suggesting again they

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Speaker 1: have to talk to every podcast and every show, but

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Speaker 1: I would like to see them. Well, no, I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: something if they want to prove some value, which is

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Speaker 1: make a deal, if at all possible, strike a deal

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Speaker 1: with the commission. Maybe one referee per card per night

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing all combat sports. There would be more

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Speaker 2: allowed to be interviewed. I think that's the best way

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Speaker 2: that you fish out who can handle it at this

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Speaker 2: able to explain it. I think that should go should

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Speaker 1: Well, the referees. The default position is, well, if we talk,

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Speaker 1: we get screwed. If we don't talk, we get screwed.

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Speaker 1: Better to just make a call and then not have

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Speaker 1: take his side on that. His point was I just

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Speaker 1: get murdered no matter what. Okay, then, but if you

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Speaker 1: stand by your call. The public does not benefit by

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Speaker 1: less information. The public benefit by being able to make

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Speaker 1: How you legislate out who talks and to whom. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's difficult, I get, but just sitting back and saying, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm just not going to speak about it, dude, you

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Speaker 1: and maybe you don't deserve it. But if you don't

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Speaker 1: do anything to stop it, this cycle of I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't get the hall you basically said. Look, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it is a good stoppage or not

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Speaker 2: a bad stoppage. My hunch is not a support that

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Speaker 2: it is a good stage.

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Speaker 1: My hunch is that it's not necessarily the best stoppage because,

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Speaker 1: for full for full clarity, that second shot that Durand

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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a great stoppage. But this

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Speaker 1: Dean has no idea what he's doing. This is unjutifiable.

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Speaker 1: You know what I would like to hear. I would

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Speaker 1: like to hear Dean defend himself because I thought the

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Speaker 1: exact same thing when Asker and fought Lawler. Then I

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Speaker 1: heard his perspective I think you did on the Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan podcast, and I didn't necessarily agree with everything he said,

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Speaker 1: about some of the things they look for when they

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Speaker 1: do their job. Somebody out there on the referee side

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Speaker 1: do their job, and by the way, other referees, I

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Speaker 1: are fostering and ignorant public, and you are entitled to

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Speaker 2: I just don't get how this stoppage in particular, is

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Speaker 2: one that anybody can defend. It's different when somebody's taking

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Speaker 2: sustained damage and a referee in either combat sport is

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Speaker 2: trying to jump into save a fighter, especially when you

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Speaker 2: see fighters late in their career, this is something that

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Speaker 2: the fight just starts. Somebody's still conscious, sitting up, has

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Speaker 1: Obviiousness is not the dividing line. The question is whether

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Speaker 1: she was intelligent to defend yourself being on all fours

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Speaker 2: It when it happens that quick. Because this is what

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Speaker 2: we say to give to give referees a proper amount

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Speaker 2: of respect, and we should because it's happening like that.

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Speaker 2: They're not watching on TV with all these different replays,

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Speaker 2: they're watching in real time and trying to make quick decisions.

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Speaker 2: I give them that respect. But this was one punch.

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Speaker 2: It was so early. It was somebody sitting up. When

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Speaker 2: you're talking about the idea of saving somebody from something,

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Speaker 2: you're getting closer to making this sport what it isn't

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Speaker 2: in the end, it's a fight, right. The closer we

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Speaker 2: get to carving that out, it's no longer a fight.

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Speaker 2: Is it just gonna end up being if you drop

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Speaker 2: somebody you in the fight. Because this kind of these

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Speaker 2: be a lot different. Had lad been laid out, had

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Speaker 2: she been head on the floor, you could geografy that

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Speaker 2: the fact that she was sitting up, and I know

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Speaker 2: you could say, well, she could have been half out

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Speaker 2: of it there, Yeah, she could have. But again, this

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Speaker 2: is a fight, and we sort of fight to the

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Speaker 2: point of the.

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Speaker 1: Point about stopping a fight. Sometimes if you're watching someone's

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Speaker 1: giving like askring where he was all wooden? You don't

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Speaker 1: If someone is fully conscious but they're just covering up

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Speaker 2: Jermaine Derandomy and herb Dean because Herbdinge taketh and Herbdan

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Speaker 1: Not turning this necessarily into a giant referendum on Herb Dean.

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Speaker 1: to move to a Priscilla. Priscilla catchwao, that's right, good call,

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Speaker 2: You have to in any other circumstance you could. Blackball

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Speaker 2: On a planet where, in a lot of ways, the

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Speaker 1: That? Is that public negotiation the time? A different conversation

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Speaker 1: after winning one fight, I think yes, can get a

430
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Speaker 1: title shot and skip the entire bantam way. Q. Is

431
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Speaker 1: that crazy?

432
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Speaker 2: That's not crazy at all. A modern UFC entertainment business

433
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Speaker 2: where you're trying to make fights that people want to see.

434
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Speaker 2: It's weird though, because we pick and choose when we

435
00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,560
Speaker 2: get angry at that. Right when Dan Henderson throws those

436
00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,040
Speaker 2: motorcycle gang elbows on Hector Lombard at one ninety nine

437
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Speaker 2: and suddenly at forty six he's got the bisbeing rematch

438
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Speaker 2: for a title, obviously we were like this, what are

439
00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,760
Speaker 2: you doing here? This is a joke? Here, shout out

440
00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,240
Speaker 2: the hen do we fault? Well, he almost won that,

441
00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,359
Speaker 2: by the way, that would have been a fiasco. I

442
00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,440
Speaker 2: didn't like that for all the right reasons. I kind

443
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,320
Speaker 2: of like this for all the wrong reasons. Because I

444
00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,040
Speaker 2: like me some favor expect him to look that good

445
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,479
Speaker 2: and a lot of ways I'm not calling that when

446
00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,679
Speaker 2: fools gold, but Ricky Simone runs into oncoming traffic. What

447
00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,320
Speaker 2: do you do when you're facing a forty year old

448
00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,880
Speaker 2: who's been off for two years, test his gas tank,

449
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,720
Speaker 2: try to get him into deep waters almost three, maybe

450
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,919
Speaker 2: find out if he still wants to do this at

451
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,600
Speaker 2: this level and be in a fight with a twenty

452
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Speaker 2: six year old with a hanging kind of rattail thing

453
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Speaker 2: going on. No, he just gets too reckless, which if

454
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Speaker 2: your favor, you still got speed, you obviously have the timing,

455
00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,560
Speaker 2: perfect case scenario. But what you're asking me is should

456
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Speaker 2: he jump the line? He actually should, and it's.

457
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Speaker 1: Not because it's not Wait wait I asked you will

458
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Speaker 1: he Now you're advocating, but there's a there's a diff shot, offender,

459
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Speaker 1: though I'm gonna put some some asterisks on here, there's

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Speaker 1: a difference.

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Speaker 2: Is it right? Absolutely not? Okay. Does it throw the

462
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Speaker 2: idea of UFC rinkings upside down and spin on them? Yes,

463
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,520
Speaker 2: but UFC constantly does that themselves. So we're in a

464
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Speaker 2: world where there really is no fairness. So you got

465
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Speaker 2: to just roll the balls out. Yes, it's a deep division.

466
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Speaker 2: Now there's other guys I want to see. Hear me out.

467
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Speaker 2: I'm not high though, not high though, okay, I'm not crazy.

468
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Speaker 2: I'm just a little well, but hear me out for

469
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Speaker 2: one second. Okay. Faber's resume, in his in his legacy

470
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Speaker 2: and his career is sort of like I know, we

471
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Speaker 2: wont a WC title, but he's like the ultimate bride'smaid.

472
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Speaker 2: He was bisbeing before bisbeing stopped. Rock hold.

473
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Speaker 1: Okay.

474
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Speaker 2: I love when those guys get a shot essentially to

475
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Speaker 2: finally put the cherry on top of their career at

476
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Speaker 2: the end.

477
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Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what, but it's a feel good.

478
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Speaker 2: My point is it's a feel good story. Okay.

479
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,200
Speaker 1: And Michael Bisbin got the shot at one nine because

480
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Speaker 1: he came in on short notice. So fine, you want

481
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Speaker 1: to put your righte favor on the we'll call you

482
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Speaker 1: if we have an injury list. I have no problem

483
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Speaker 1: with this, but for him to jump the queue over

484
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Speaker 1: Peter Yawn, over Al Jamine Sterling, or at one twenty

485
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Speaker 1: five over Joseph you.

486
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Speaker 2: Do it for business, free fucking crime. Really, do you

487
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Speaker 2: want to pick a trime?

488
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Speaker 1: I'm going to use my one F word, I'm gonna,

489
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna cash it in. It's a crime, dude,

490
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Speaker 1: for you to advocate a positions record.

491
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Speaker 2: I didn't get to.

492
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Speaker 1: Frankly, I was.

493
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Speaker 2: Reckless of my delivery, but I didn't fully advocate it.

494
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Speaker 2: It's a feel good story. You have to like favor

495
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Speaker 2: to be behind it ultimately. But here's the other reason

496
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Speaker 2: why I have to want it right now because the

497
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Speaker 2: champion at.

498
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Speaker 1: The moment he wants it.

499
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Speaker 2: Shudo wants it. And while I have nothing bad to

500
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,360
Speaker 2: say about Shudo's resume and how he got to this point,

501
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 2: because certainly that last win put away any critics who said, well,

502
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 2: you didn't actually beat Johnson was close. Whatever, He's the

503
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: cringe master. He's pretty damn cringey. This kind of is

504
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: central casting to cast mister Faber essage Northcut would call

505
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 2: him as the ultimate daddy, babyface, coming back, been away

506
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Speaker 2: from the game, first time father, all this good stuff

507
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 2: against the cringe sort of heel in Henry Sahuda.

508
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem is Henry Sehudo's cringe is now

509
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Speaker 1: unleashed on the world. So it's like this cringe black hole.

510
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: So now he's taking a guy like Faber, who is

511
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: a I mean, I couldn't say anything bad about Faber

512
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: if I tried, other than his tweet about these these nuts.

513
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. It's like, dude, I'm

514
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Speaker 1: turning forty in less than a month. Are we He's

515
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 1: older than me? How are we still writing tweets like

516
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: it's nineteen ninety four. There was no tweets back there,

517
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 1: but if they were, that's what they would look like.

518
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: It was like, oh my god, Like, how are we still?

519
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 1: How are we doing? Like I beg your mom jokes

520
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,719
Speaker 1: as a way to like get advancement in the professional world.

521
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Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't abide by you. I can

522
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: abide bye. I can abide by beating Juice here for Mega.

523
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: I can abide by beating Jimmy Rivera. You can abide

524
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Speaker 1: by the things that in this world.

525
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: So this comes down to entertainment versus a sport and

526
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: the purity of a sport.

527
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Speaker 1: I will agree to you with it.

528
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Speaker 2: You will agree that the purity is out the window.

529
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Speaker 1: Right, No, the purity is only out the window to

530
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Speaker 1: the extent you don't want to be a responsible steward

531
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Speaker 1: of it. The idea that you can just say, well,

532
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 1: let's lull the baby out with the bath water, dude.

533
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: That's how you get seeing punk in the UFC, which

534
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: is a failed experiment, and then everyone goes right, which

535
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: we'll get to in a minute. That's how everyone goes

536
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: oh right, that was a really bad idea. There are

537
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Speaker 1: times to skirt the rules. There are times you got

538
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: to play a little fast and loose. But a guy

539
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 1: coming back with a great win, don't misunderstand me. He

540
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: has a right to face contenders ranked ones. I absolutely agree.

541
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Speaker 1: I will take nothing away from him, but to jump

542
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: the queue because the guy here's the whole reason why

543
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: it's happening. Because they won't pay Henry's to Hudo the

544
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: same to fight Al Jaman's or Joseph Benavitez as they

545
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: would for your favorite. Your my favorite sells more.

546
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: So let me make sure you're coming at me with

547
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: the same.

548
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: What Olympic explained, they have set up a system to

549
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: force fighters to on their own want unnatural matchmaking to

550
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,959
Speaker 1: get rich, you pay them the same. You don't have

551
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: this problem.

552
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: Look, if it wasn't a world in which the UFC

553
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: isn't violating their own rules, or good thoughts or best practices,

554
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: then I would say yes. But because we're in that world,

555
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: I say no. Did you have the same energy when

556
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: GSP came back and cut the line?

557
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like it at all. I thought I

558
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: called into Michael Bisbing's radio show and told him to

559
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: fight Yol Romero and then this is a true story.

560
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: Hung up on him. What do you know about that?

561
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 2: I hung up, Shrey, consistent on your curmudgeonry. But I

562
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: think in the end, because it's entertainment, you're telling me

563
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 2: you want to get fired up from a I want

564
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Speaker 2: to see that all those other guys are still going

565
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Speaker 2: to get their shot.

566
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Speaker 1: Uh, we'll see about that. I don't know all right,

567
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 1: other parts of the USC Sacramento card, then we'll wind

568
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: up here. I'm finishing this part off. There were three

569
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Speaker 1: stand out one forty five pound winners. I'm going to

570
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Speaker 1: go first. I want to ask you who you think

571
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Speaker 1: was the real one forty five stand out winner. So

572
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: the winners were Josh Emmett. We can all agree, look fantastic,

573
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: Andre Feely surprised me to me, yeah amazing, and then

574
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: Ryan Hall with I thought a pretty like a really

575
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: novel win on the prelim cards. I'll go first, then

576
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: you go for me the top one forty five or again.

577
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: I have a sawt spot for Ryan Hall. I've known

578
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: him for a long time and you'll see I dissected

579
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: that something. I'm going to get to. But you got

580
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Speaker 1: to give it to josh Emmett. And the reason why

581
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: is because number one, he's more advanced than the other

582
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: two inside that division. For example, Andre Feeley would have

583
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: a five fight win streak but for the split decision

584
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Speaker 1: lost to Michael Johnson. Okay, Josh emmittt had him in

585
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: a KO of the Year situation, And really what stands

586
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Speaker 1: out to me is for somebody like josh Emmett to

587
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: suffer an absolutely brutal injury at the hands of Jeremy Stevens,

588
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: a totally legit and legal one, but a brutal one

589
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: just the same, to then come back and have a

590
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Speaker 1: KO of the Year contender, and then after that to

591
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Speaker 1: then really put it on somebody as respectable as he did. Dude,

592
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Speaker 1: Josh Emmett, is he and finally got a bonus?

593
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Speaker 2: By the way, stiff? Was that jab by the way beelievable?

594
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: I almost thought it was a bad match up from

595
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: her side back this, but I really thought he would

596
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: test him the wrestling. He had nothing for him. Josh

597
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: Emmitt is one of these guys. Jo certain guys come

598
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: into the UFC and they're kind of just out of

599
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: the box ready to go. Push him to the front

600
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: of the line. Josh Emmer was kind of good, but

601
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: just didn't quite it just didn't materialize for him. He

602
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: is putting all of the pieces of the puzzle together

603
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: even after a bad defeat. Here's why I mentioned Michael Bisping.

604
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: Michael Bisping is the King. What's his superpower? He had

605
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 1: a quarterback, he could forget an interception, get back out

606
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: there on the next series and then marchdown score touchdown. Dude.

607
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: For Josh Emmett to not be mentally scarred by a

608
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: vicious loss like that where he doesn't even have taste

609
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: buds or I should say feeling in part of his

610
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: mouth now still, and to have these wins back to

611
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: back like this, I take my hat off to Josh Emmont.

612
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: Who's your talking?

613
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: One more bonus point for josh Emmon. By the way,

614
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: UFC is the house of bad tattoos. We talk about

615
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: it all the time. Darren Elkins's chest looks like a

616
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: fitting rage. Your next girlfriend scratched him up. Josh Emmett

617
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: might have the actual best set of tattoos going.

618
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: Meagan Anderson is better. She has good black and gray work.

619
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Speaker 1: Who's your top one forty five? Right?

620
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: The answer not to agree with you is Josh Emma

621
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: because he's closer to a title shot and for all

622
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: the reasons of what he came back from, and he

623
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: looked devastating, but from sort of a touching your heart perspective, right,

624
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: I thought Ryan Hall's performance jumped off the screen in

625
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: terms of creativity, in terms of evolvement. Look, we've never

626
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: seen him lose in the UFC. We kind of forgot

627
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: about him because he disappeared for two years, comes back

628
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: against bj Penn. But when you look at that performance,

629
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: I thought it was an evolution in so many ways,

630
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: adding striking but creative striking to what is already a

631
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: very impressive jiu jitsu practice. I mean, you can say

632
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Speaker 2: what you want about Elkins as an opponent, He'll test

633
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: you in a certain way. Right, you don't kill him.

634
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: He may have getting up. He may end up getting

635
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: up in that ass by the end of the fight

636
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: speaking of septic tank there. But ultimately why Hall impressed

637
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: me the most is he's got that special style. He

638
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: sort of brings that the old air of the one

639
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: dimensional era of the Damian Mayas, but got smart guys

640
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: in his corner and for us in Kenny Florian And

641
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: in the end, dude, he was doing mister Miyagi type

642
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: stuff there. It was very efficient, it was very calm,

643
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: it was very just sort of slip out of the

644
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: way this way and kind of come with these crazy roles.

645
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see if he can keep getting better

646
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: where he actually fits in. I don't like the idea

647
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: of him and going up to one fifty five, but

648
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: at find the way. I wonder how his style would

649
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: work against the very elite if he can keep winning.

650
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: I agree. Also, I don't think evolvement is a word, dude.

651
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm making things happen there, all right.

652
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: You can, okay. I look, and the last thing we

653
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: didn't mention hardly at all. But for Andre Peeley, dude,

654
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: I thought for sure. I didn't know. I never like

655
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: think for sure someone's gonna win or lose. But I

656
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, forced a gun to my head. I've been

657
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: like a Shama Maris is like strong, athletic, good and

658
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: good everywhere, and all those guys he's ever lost to

659
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: are like very good fighters to be making up a

660
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: Chipov and Sadik Yusaf so I thought Andre Philly had

661
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: his hands sold. Dude. To get a guy like that

662
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: out of there in the first round extremely impressive.

663
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: You almost have the biggest pomp of the night. I

664
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 2: know there were a lot of sacrament I was looking

665
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: for Mitch Richmond to walk out. There was a lot

666
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: of Sacramento guys on that card. But the pop for

667
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: Phelly on that knock, no doubt about it, and he

668
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: earned it, So congratulations to him as well. Okay, so

669
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: we now look ahead because you know YUC Sacramento. Dana

670
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: White was like, if you don't want to watch these cards,

671
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: don't accomplished.

672
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: I saw the website traffic. Woo. Okay. So point being

673
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: is this we now look ahead UFC on ESPN four,

674
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: I believe is this coming weekend?

675
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: I think it's is it five, four or five? If

676
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: you're by the way, if you're still calling it ESPN

677
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: on Fuel TV seventeen, you're a nerd. It's ESPN Fight Night.

678
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: San Antonio.

679
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: Okay, can we get you see San Antonio. But it's

680
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: gonna air on big at ESPN. If you actually look

681
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: at the card except for that main event at UFC

682
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: two forty between Frankie and Max, I would actually argue

683
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: this card's deeper. So I'll pitch this one back to you.

684
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: I went first on the last one. Now it's your turn.

685
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, When you think about this card, there's a

686
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: lot of different ways you could go. What is the

687
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: biggest and most important storyline heading into it?

688
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: I think it's it surrounds the main event, and because

689
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: this welterweight division is so hot right now. It's not

690
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: only reloaded and flipped upside down with Usman beating Woodley,

691
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: bringing a fresh face on top and a new set

692
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: of contenders who hadn't faced him before. But when you

693
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: add in the Jorge mosmital factor, now you've got a

694
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: red hot guy, a guy who's putting the words Connor

695
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: McGregor in his mouth, by the way, which is very smart.

696
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: Right now, Suddenly this fight, I think means a lot

697
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: more to the idea of getting yourself into a very

698
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: important fight that we want to see, and also is

699
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: just sexier at the moment because RDA is not washed.

700
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: I thought he might have been washed. I turned that

701
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: last fight agre. R DA not washed, brothers. And when

702
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 2: you look at how good that last win was, and

703
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: now he's got an opportunity to come out against a

704
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: guy who's red hot right now, and Edwards he's not

705
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: that far away from either a title opportunity or because

706
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: the division is so hot right now, a big opportunity.

707
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: When you have names that people want to see, it's

708
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: it's it's a good idea to be a veteran where

709
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: you're just hanging around and r DA could be perfectly

710
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: in that bullpen on deck circle spot where it's just

711
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: like that guy got hurt, this fell through. Hey, we

712
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: need you to jump in right now and get an

713
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: opportunity that maybe you're two steps behind on the ladder,

714
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: but because of your name and your recent recent stretch,

715
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: we're ready for you right now. Great spot for him.

716
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: You think, let me ask you a question. You think, if

717
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: let's say Leon Edwards wins impressively like first round stop,

718
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: it is amazing. You think they would match him up

719
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: with Jorge Maswital based on the three piece OFNESDA.

720
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: That's exact where I was going to go next. For RDA.

721
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: It's giant fight potential, maybe one more away from a

722
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 2: title fight for Edwards. If you really want to take

723
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: advantage of the Mosvidal hype, you're gonna put him in

724
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: there with Connor. I know you like the idea of

725
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: him in a DZ. I know you could even fast

726
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: track him for a title. But if you're UFC and

727
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: you start to map out the future and you put

728
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: the chess pieces in place, and you realize don't really

729
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: have that for Mosvidal yet, Edwards is the perfect storyline.

730
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: If Edwards can get by RDA, it's the biggest victory

731
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: of his career. You look at that run he's been on,

732
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: and then you have the natural storyline of the three

733
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: piece in a soda, and that becomes a main event

734
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: right away. And that's what this division now is. Now,

735
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: Top five or six guys can make main event fights

736
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: all the time. You got to see Lawler and Covington,

737
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: and now suddenly this RDA and Edwards fight is almost

738
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: as exciting.

739
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't agree with a lot of that. I think

740
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: the part you're missing, though, is the three piece in

741
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: the soda. If you had to ask the average fan

742
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: who said three piece in an soda. The average fans

743
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: are probably gonna get it right and say Jorgey Masbital.

744
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: They might think it somebody else, but okay, but if

745
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: you ask him where did it come from? Who did

746
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: he sucker punch or whatever you want to call that

747
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: scenario to do it, I don't think anyone would know

748
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: that short of hardcore fans.

749
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: So then's why it's not the first issue to be

750
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: the second or third choice.

751
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: The words beating dos Angos doesn't meaningfully get him a

752
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: whole lot closer, even though he has that oh it

753
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: does three piece in the it does from the ranking

754
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: standpoint and from credibility standpoint, from a marketability standpoint, Leon

755
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: Edwards is almost entirely divoice from the three piece of

756
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: minesoda as it relates to any kind of larger casual audience.

757
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: He is an anonymous figure.

758
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: Except for should UFC start mapping it out and go,

759
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: you know what, Connor's not ready, Nate just did this.

760
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: This guy did this. We can't give him a title shot.

761
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: Yet it's the perfect fallback because Hora against anyone else,

762
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: you'd be a little bit disappointed if it's not a

763
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: title shot. If it's not Connor, if it's not super

764
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: creative like Nate, you're gonna be disappointed, right, But if

765
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: it's Edwards, you slide it in. You got the video.

766
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: They're not afraid to show that kind of video. They're

767
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: still showing the dolly going through the windows.

768
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: I they've they've marketed him very well, Leon Edwards least

769
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: much better obviously where he's from in the UK. Here

770
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: on the State side. I just don't think anybody knows

771
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: who he is yet yet. That's why it's a fallback maybe.

772
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: So the other thing, I just quickly on the Jorge

773
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: versus Nate thing. The reason why I think it's just

774
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: better is because I just don't think Connor versus Jorge

775
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: is gonna work. I could be wrong, but Connor versus

776
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: excuse me, Jorgey versus Nate seems, you know, from what

777
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: I understand, like I kind of thought, like if you

778
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: beat Pettis that he'll just demand title shot or I'm

779
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: out from what I understand that he actually wants to

780
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: be more competitive. But whether that's what I'm told so,

781
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: but he.

782
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: Has been saying that for three years.

783
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: Fair enough, I mean again, let's see, let's when the

784
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: rubber meets the road. Let's see what actually happens. But

785
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: let's home to his word for a minute. If that

786
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: happens and he really wants to stay competitive, that's a

787
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: fight that actually might work. I don't know as a headliner,

788
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: but maybe it's a co headliner for a title fight.

789
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: I think that could be pretty great. And then I

790
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: don't know, man, it's just more doable. And I don't

791
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: think you get as much out of it as a

792
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: counter fight, but I think you get from.

793
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: From the standpoint of top end marketing to cash in

794
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: the most that you could. The only problem I have

795
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: with natean Horiey. And obviously as a fan, I pop

796
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: for Nate and horiy hit. But the only problem I

797
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: have is they both play the same position from a

798
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: marketing standpoint.

799
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: They're both the crazy don't get the contrast. But what

800
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: you get is you get the you get the unbridled

801
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: enthusiasm of the fan base.

802
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: Who's a baby face in that? Then if Nate, I.

803
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Think Nate might be the baby face in that one. Yeah,

804
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: because is a little bit more like the cold blood

805
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: villain and in a way ish kind of thing. I agree,

806
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: you don't get the you know, you don't get Captain

807
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: America versus whatever the opposite might be. There's not that

808
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: that start contrast, but in putting together two fan bases,

809
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: one that's been established brand with the Diaz brothers that

810
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: have a cult like following, and then on top of that,

811
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: you cash in on Jorgey when Jorge Masswdhal's never been hotter.

812
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: By the way, the fight itself might also be awesome.

813
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: The fight with Connor would be awesome too, I think too.

814
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: Girt strikers and we'ld see how go on the ground.

815
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, I just think it's.

816
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: A little bit more reachable, a morey cut to fifty

817
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: five for Connor.

818
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. For the money, Yeah, yeah, he would.

819
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: I mean that any smart? What do you basically?

820
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: Horny massa Oh can Horny Masswadal make weight? He makes

821
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: weight every time. Dude.

822
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: I love what he said in his comments. He said

823
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: it without saying it, essentially that money is more important

824
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: than the title. I've been in this game sixteen years.

825
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: I got to get paid. If you're not go give

826
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: me the title, give me con It's almost him saying

827
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: I want Connor more because it's more cash. And I

828
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: respect that.

829
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: Getting a UFC title unless you can just skip the

830
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: cue is so goddamn heart and then you have a

831
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: responsibility to hold on to it. You now have the baby.

832
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: You now have to to nurture this thing, and that's

833
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: just not very.

834
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: Easy the way. A final comment on Jermaine Derandomy. Did

835
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: she pass Nico Montagno, who lost on Serriday, as the

836
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 2: least impressive champion in UFC history? Oh, she got out

837
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: of that dungeon, is what I'm saying. Or is it

838
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: on a couple of those early guys like a middleweight?

839
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: And see, I don't have okay, the shots after the

840
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: bell by Durandomy are a bad thing. I just don't

841
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: get lathered in the same kind of soap of hates

842
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: that all the other fans do with like how crazy

843
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: they get about it. So I agree that it was bad,

844
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: So to me, No, I would not say she's the

845
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: least on possible. However, I would say the way again,

846
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: the way she handled against Cyborg utterly indefensible. No way

847
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: you can accountenance that got screwed worse by the way again,

848
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: I agree, there's a lot of ways. There's a lot

849
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: of ways that didn't go over her either and not

850
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: necessarily her fault. Okay, so let's turn the page if

851
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: we can. We mentioned UFC san Antonio coming up. Oh,

852
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: I didn't get to mind her very quickly, just fast.

853
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy is gonna be I don't think it's in

854
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: a comative anymore. He's gonna fight one Adams. I think

855
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: they put it out of that come the advantage. So

856
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: here's what I have picked up on. I wonder what

857
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: you think of this theory. I don't know what to

858
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: be sure. So I'm actually not gonna like stick my

859
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: heels in the ground on this one. I have a

860
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: feeling though that fans are either fans are never gonna

861
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: like him, but fans might be willing to hold onto

862
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: their hate to a degree. Oh yeah, that it's marketable,

863
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: hold on unless he looks bad again. And then I

864
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: noticed there was like this enthusiasm for seampunk. Of course

865
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: was not that he was very much the hero, but

866
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: he looked really bad and against Mickeygahl and then he

867
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: comes back again against Mike Jackson and looked like there

868
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: was just.

869
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: The way it was x pocky. He was get off

870
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: my TV screen.

871
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm thinking, this is my theory about

872
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: about Greg Hardy, if he can turn out to be

873
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: a legitimate heavyweight prospect, And I don't know what the

874
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: answer to that is again Smallakov five. People are like,

875
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: what's the value in that? When a guy is that

876
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: green talking about Hardy? He needs reps for the camp,

877
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: needs reps for the walkout, needs reps for everything. No,

878
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: Smollokov is not going to get him ready for the

879
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: next title shot, whenever that may happen. But it's just

880
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: a matter of getting reps. That was the value in Samolokov.

881
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: So now I'm taking on one Adams. Boy. He's got

882
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: a real to wait in his hands here, so we're

883
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna see exactly how good he is. My only point

884
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: is if he looks bad against one Adams, I think

885
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to a position where both the UFC

886
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: and the fans might say to themselves, you know what

887
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: kind of just done with him. I don't even have

888
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: the energy to dislike him. You only have the energy

889
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: to dislike Greg Hardy if he is taking advantage of

890
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: something you feel like he didn't earn, or you just

891
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: don't want to see someone like that in that position. Again,

892
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: my view is, I don't know the guy. I think

893
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: what he did was reprehensible. If you can't fight in

894
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: a cage in this country, I don't know what you

895
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: can do.

896
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: But a feel good second chance story, which is still

897
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: in play, only works good Only it works if you

898
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: have ability.

899
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: Right, and he has never apologized for what he did,

900
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: He's not entitled to a second chance good field story,

901
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: at least not to the wide republic. Maybe to the

902
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: people that know him all.

903
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: Right, real quick, if he does look bad, still gets

904
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: a win, but just does you have to catch him

905
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: out or do they find a Houston Alexander who's willing

906
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: to circle.

907
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he probably gets another run at it,

908
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: But then you know that may be looking for the

909
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: exit probably at that point.

910
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: Right, there's a couple other things in that card that

911
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: I think we have to mention.

912
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: That least, let's say that for the odds and end segment.

913
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: Is that at the very end. But I agree, there's

914
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: a ton of little nuggets in the whole thing. So

915
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: let's talk about the other I gotta tell you, I

916
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: am so pumped for this upcoming fight. First of all,

917
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: the UFC Santonio card is excellent, as we mentioned, pack Thurman,

918
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: any Pakio taking on Keith Thurman, Dude, I am you're

919
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: you're the boxing guy more than I am. Certainly I

920
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: am all in on this fight, and I'll tell you what.

921
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why I'm on, and then i'll

922
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: tell you tell you here you respond. It is one

923
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: of these fights where the storylines in boxing and in MMA,

924
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: as you well know, a lot of times, they are

925
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: amplified to a degree where they no longer seem palatable

926
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: to your sense of reality. It's like, what does this

927
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: say about his career? It says fuck all. It doesn't

928
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: say anything like nothing. I mean that's not always the case,

929
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: but it was like, was it mean for Canelo Alvarez

930
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: to fight Rocky Fielding? Not a damn thing other than

931
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, let's make sure that the check comes in

932
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: on time to zone that kind of a thing. This one,

933
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: to me, though, Keith Thurman with the elbow injury and

934
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: then the other the shoulder, and I believe as well

935
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: hand into being out as long as he was then

936
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: coming back against Jose ce To Lopez. I re watched

937
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: the fight today, or I should say, on the way

938
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: up here. Oh my god, dude, oh deep water. And

939
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: by the way Crown talks about the seventh round, six

940
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: and eight weren't great for him either. Right. But but

941
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: when he last left the division, so what was he

942
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: top March twenty seventeen or so at that time I

943
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: went back, I looked at all the rankings. He was

944
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: number one or number two in that division at the time,

945
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: depending where you looked in his division pound for pounds,

946
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: certainly the top ten. And since then here comes Eryl

947
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: Spence and since then, but Bud Craft even up a division.

948
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: When he won away from the sport in March after

949
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: beating Danny Garcian seventeen, he was the best welterweight in

950
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: this post Mayweather Pacio era. So happens, by the way,

951
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: that the Pacio is still linger, right.

952
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: So then he goes away, he comes back and he

953
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: did not look all It didn't look terrible, but he did

954
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: not look himself to the point where people are saying, oh,

955
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: he was a power puncher. Now they're saying, well, the

956
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: right hand's not what it used to be. Now it's

957
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: the left hook. And many Pakiao, who looked like ass

958
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: against Jeff Horn then has a nice win over Lucas Matisse,

959
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: then has a nice win over Adrian Broner. Didn't stop anybody,

960
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: but looks pretty all. He stopped Tsa but didn't stop

961
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: a Broner, but looked a lot better. People are bidding

962
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: on forty year old maybe pacyak.

963
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: You just became the favorite. It just switched over thirty

964
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: year old Keith Thurman.

965
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: What is going on?

966
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: To wild? It is so wild, and it's like this

967
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: fight it just star power wise. It's a big deal,

968
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: summer blockbuster pay per view. That's all good, but the

969
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: most intriguing thing was kind of exactly what you nailed

970
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: that Pakiao has less questions to answer entering this fight

971
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: at age forty than Keith Thurman. And that's wild because

972
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: if you would have booked this fight two years ago.

973
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: After Thurman gets the win over Sean Porter, gets the

974
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: win over Danny Garcia, he's the next big Welterwey at

975
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: that moment, you'd have to favorite Thurmer. You have to

976
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: fave him big, favor him big, because he was still

977
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 2: Keith one time Thurman. Then two years.

978
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: Later, now they're calling him run time.

979
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: They called him a lot of bad things they have

980
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 2: to do with time. Yeah, and now it's not just

981
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: being knocked on the ropes Skins holds the seat of

982
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: Lopez and not covering up, not punching back, just sort

983
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: of looking lost. Was sort of lucky to get out

984
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: of that and survive with a majority decision. Yes, he

985
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: won more rounds in the end, that was a good performance,

986
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: but he looked so bad against a journeyman, comeback guy

987
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: that you mix that with the time away and during

988
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: the time he got married. And I'm not saying that

989
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: women soften a man. I'm saying that I don't know,

990
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: he just does not feel like the same guy. He

991
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: does not feel like this same guy from before then.

992
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 2: And it kind of goes back to that Danny Garcia fight,

993
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: because if you remember the Porter fight from twenty sixteen,

994
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: rough and tumble, twelve rounds, back and forth, give and take.

995
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: Danny Garcia fight was Thurman building a lead and then

996
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: coasting down the stretch. It was almost like de la

997
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: Hoya against Tito Trinidad when he gave away the end

998
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: of the fight. In the end is a split decision,

999
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: and you're like, wait, did Keith Thurman run? Did he

1000
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: just kind of give that away? And the hardcore critical

1001
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: fans are still holding that in the back of their

1002
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: head and then you go, hey, by the way, I know,

1003
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: we talk about Manny Pacio ending an eight year streak

1004
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: of no knockouts recently, Keith Thurman hasn't knocked the dude

1005
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: out in a while. You're really entering this fight going,

1006
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: is thirty year old Keith Thurman coming back from that

1007
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: break still that elite guy? Does he have the back bone?

1008
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: Is he willing to bang if this fight gets dirty?

1009
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 2: Or is Pacio at forty somehow the more reliable betting,

1010
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: not just on the betting odds, but the more reliable product. Yes,

1011
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 2: he's not the same explosive guy he was, but it's

1012
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: absurd how Pacio has kept his speed. Fighters from small

1013
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: weight classes do not age well. And not only has

1014
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: he aged well, not only does he still have the

1015
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: boxing and those angles.

1016
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: But this many weight classes from his original entry weight.

1017
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: It's still he's still a problem from what he does.

1018
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: What is packa do best. It's the speed mixed with

1019
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: the crazy angles and the feed too, and it's still

1020
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: a problem. He gave Berner health for twelve rounds, it's

1021
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 2: still a problem. So if Thurman doesn't enter this fight

1022
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 2: trying to be the Keith one Time Thurman of Old

1023
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: and decides to roll the dice and see if he

1024
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 2: can out box Pacio. He's probably gonna lose this fight.

1025
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

1026
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: That's why you need if you're gonna bet on Keith,

1027
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: you need him to be the one Time of Old.

1028
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: And that's what makes us intriguing because there's so much

1029
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: at stake, not just the WBA title, but the idea

1030
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: of Terrence. Bud Crawford's over at at ESPN with top rank,

1031
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: who knows if he's going to fight the best. But

1032
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: in PBC you're having almost like a final four right now,

1033
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: and we're gonna see Sean Porter and Arrow Spence. A

1034
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: lot of people think Spence is probably the guy. But

1035
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: the winner of that faced the winner of this. That's

1036
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: big business. That's the biggest fight you can make. You

1037
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: kind of want Thurman to be that guy because he

1038
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: showed so much great promise. But by the way, that

1039
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: guy might end up being Manny Pacio. And that's wild

1040
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 2: because I know we always give him credit eight titles

1041
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: and eight divisions only got to do that in boxing,

1042
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: but he did that like eight years ago, and what

1043
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: he's done since then is almost more remarkable. He's in

1044
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: his twenty fourth year as a professional. Nobody goes that

1045
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: long and gets to this point at forty is in

1046
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: the biggest fight of the year where they're not just

1047
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: selling their last name. He's not selling his last name

1048
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: in this fight. He's actually has a chance to prove

1049
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: over the next six nine months that he's still the

1050
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: best welterweight in the world. And that's wild because we

1051
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: wrote him off rightfully after that horn fight.

1052
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: If this this feels like, even though Thurman got the

1053
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: win over Lopez, this feels like he's at the same

1054
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: juncture Pakia was after that hornf fight. To me, what

1055
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: is this fight about? To me, the fight is about

1056
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: who is Keith Thurman? Right? And you would have sworn

1057
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: after the Garcia fight, okay, not again, this split decision

1058
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: win wasn't his best performance. Would have said, Okay, this

1059
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: guy's battle tested. He's faced the inside brawlers, the outside movers.

1060
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: He has a good right hand, he's been rocked in fights,

1061
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: he's come back, he's kind of done at all. This

1062
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: This is maybe he doesn't be a Spencer or a Crawford,

1063
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: but this is a completely known commodity. What is so

1064
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: funny about this fight is it's the known commodity in

1065
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: many Pakiow versus the seemingly unknown commodity in Keith Thurmantt.

1066
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: And by the way, I had Keith Thurmonham a radio show.

1067
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: I spoke to him already. Here's another factor. I think

1068
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: he hears all of this chirping and he likes to

1069
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: say it doesn't bother him. Nonsense. It absolutely bothers him,

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Speaker 1: to the point where he has hired not one, but

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00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: two different strength and conditioning coaches. I also wonder if

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00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: he might suffer a little bit here from a bit

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00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: of a Goldilock syndrome where he is against Lopez still

1074
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: kind of you know, getting the rust off. Okay, but

1075
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: is he gonna overshoot next time? Is the porte is

1076
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit too cold rather than calibrating

1077
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: it just right against the guy like Manny Paciao, who again,

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00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: do we both agree prime Keith Thurman, the one who's

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00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: on NBC, the one who's on CBS. That guy could

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00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: beat Manny Pacio. I just don't know if that's this one.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.

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00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: He's crazy about Pacio is Ultimately, I think his legacy

1083
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: will end up being along with longevity, along with the

1084
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: eight titles in eight weight classes, the ability to fix

1085
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: things that were broken and sort of rehab his brand

1086
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: at key times and keep it going. He's been able

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00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 2: to readjust I mean that knockout lost to Marqez in

1088
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: twenty twelve their fourth fight as devastating it would killed

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00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: anyone's career. So when the fights after that, wins over

1090
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 2: Brandon Rios, those type of guys he was boxing more.

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00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't the many Paco of old. The last two

1092
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: or three fights favorable matchmaking, and won against Jeff Forden,

1093
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: which he was forced to fight that way. He's kind

1094
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: of been the Manny of old to a degree, a

1095
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: lot more offensive, a lot more willing to trade. So

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00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: when you look at this fight, if Thurman can be

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00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: the Thurman that we kind of want him to be,

1098
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: there is a lot of firecracker potential in here. And

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Speaker 2: I want to put this out there. When Floyd Mayweather

1100
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: beat Manny Pakio in twenty fifteen Fight of the Century,

1101
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: maybe it didn't give up to your expectations. That's fine.

1102
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: Floyd basically told you it's the best welter weight in

1103
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: the world. He's the powerful pound, best fighter in the world.

1104
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: He's the best of this era. That fight meant a lot.

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00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: We had to wait five six years, but it was

1106
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: for who's the fighter of this era? Since then, who'd

1107
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: Floyd be? Burdo beat a couple MMA guys, beat that

1108
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: Japanese kickboxer. I'm not saying that Manny with a win

1109
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: here goes pass Floyd. But if Manny can keep going

1110
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: and staying active and beat the hungry young Lion and

1111
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: Thurman unbeaten, where was the last time Many fought an

1112
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: unbeaten in the hungry theory about his long time I well,

1113
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: Paul saw Paul Man and al Gene, a lot of

1114
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: other people too. I'm just saying Many Pako was away.

1115
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: We thought his resume was sort of ceiling, and it

1116
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: was insanely credible and great. He has a way to

1117
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: push that even further. I would never, ever, ever, ever

1118
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: favor him against a destroyer against like Erol Spence. No,

1119
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: But if Pako can beat Thurman and get into a

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Speaker 2: fight like that, yep, good God.

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00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: Also interesting to note it'll be against Broner. I believe

1122
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: he did around four hundred thousand paper view buys. It'll

1123
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: be curious to see what kind of pay per view

1124
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: by rate this returns. Also, it's just another thing to consider.

1125
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: Like we've talked about Spence coming up the ranks and

1126
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: then Crawford coming up the ranks. Also, since the time

1127
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: he fought against I think Garcia Canello has fought Let's see,

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00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: he fought Rocky Fielding, he Leuconnati Tye twice, Daniel Jacob

1129
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: Jacobs more recently, so he's been much more And by

1130
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: the way, I think he thought Jose plus Jovis Junior

1131
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: as well. All in that time. So you had Glovekin

1132
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: coming in, you had Canelo coming in, and now heavyweight

1133
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: boxing is hot. Dude, people forgot about Keith Thurman. They

1134
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: straight up forgot about Keith Thurman. He has a chance

1135
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: to remind everybody what time it is. I cannot wait

1136
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: for Saturday. I'm truely that all in all in well,

1137
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: all right, before we go odds and ends, any story

1138
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: you want to mention from the weekend or looking ahead

1139
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: that we didn't get to. You mentioned that UFC Santonio

1140
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: card I won't have one from that myself. What about you?

1141
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: It's just that weird heavyweight rematch. You have to stop

1142
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: and just talk about it. It's it's just two old guys, right,

1143
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: it's Ben Rothwell against who is from Affliction, but it's

1144
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: from Affliction Band two thousand and eight. It just stopped

1145
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: for a second, realized how friggin long ago that was,

1146
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: and what's been a long joy. But the landscape of

1147
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: MMA was it was Fador against him, Sylvia y had

1148
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: Vitor Belfort buried on the undercard. You were probably listening,

1149
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: like I said, new metal back then. I mean, did

1150
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: you have the thing?

1151
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: Did you have that I was in. I was just

1152
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: out of the Marine Corps, so I had a little

1153
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: bit official area.

1154
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: Is I don't have a stat to back this up,

1155
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: but is this the most absurd? Like I fought you

1156
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: once and then I fought you in a rematch this

1157
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: far removed. I mean, it's it's pretty ridiculous.

1158
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Heavyweights have more longevity than any other weight class. That's

1159
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: a fact. And popularity, as Kumbo's life showed us, dies

1160
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: hard for old, more established figures. By the way, I'll

1161
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: say this, when Arlovsky beat Rothwell the first time, that

1162
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: was peak Arlovsky. Man.

1163
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying a little post peak little. I mean

1164
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: pink Karlovsky's UFC.

1165
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: That was the fight that led him to get the

1166
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: fat or fight if I'm not mistaken, in which case

1167
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: he was looking awf everybody got sent to hell. But

1168
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: he had a valley after that, I agreed, But he

1169
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: had this rebirth here. All I'm sort of pointing out

1170
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: is to me in this in a way it makes

1171
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: sense when you understand longevity and then arrival reason and

1172
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: how I sort of can get the fan base attached

1173
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: in that way for me, the story I'm looking.

1174
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: Well, I got apology for a second and say, trivia question,

1175
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: I'm that affliction band card and there was a concert

1176
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 2: attached to the Americana that grosses which.

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00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: By the way, when I was the editor in chief

1178
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: of Bloody Elbow, I wrote out and said that was

1179
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: the dumbest choice ever, and the fans said I was

1180
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: being a hater. No, that's right, per usual anyway, God's back,

1181
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, well, no, Mega death is a legitimate

1182
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: big it was. That's great, But you look at you

1183
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: like it's all of a sudden, it's like, Okay, we're

1184
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: having the fights. Let's let's have a limbo contest in

1185
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: the middle of these. No, let's finish the fights. But

1186
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: okay for me at UFC San Antonio, I'm gonna look

1187
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: at Alexander Hernandez. He had all that momentum and he

1188
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: was calling donser Andy Day Drinking Don heading into UFC Brooklyn,

1189
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, okay, all right, Like this guy

1190
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: appears to Brendy, we be ready for the spotlight and

1191
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: old Day Drinking Don had another idea, didn't he. But

1192
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Alexander Hernandez is very athletic. He's still

1193
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: very young, and we know that when guys are in

1194
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: a twenty four twenty five range, they can go from

1195
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: one fight to the next and they can look incredible.

1196
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: So what I'm looking for here is he's got legitimate

1197
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: point two. But what I'm looking for here is what

1198
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: kind of leap does he make or does he let

1199
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: that bad loss take a hold of them. I have

1200
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: a theory that Hernandez licked his wounds and was obviously

1201
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: heard about it. I am looking for an excellent performance

1202
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: from him. One. I'm not guaranteeing that, but my hunch

1203
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: is that we're going to see a guy who who

1204
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: really utilized that loss. They say you learn more from

1205
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: your losses than your wins. I'm expecting some undone.

1206
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: Hey, James Vick, Dan Hooker put it in my veins.

1207
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. I had him in studio on Friday.

1208
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: He looks ready to rock.

1209
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: So that's an important fight. One guy's going to be

1210
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: going in the wrong direction.

1211
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: And also Dan Hooker coming off that horrible loss to

1212
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: Edson Barboza. You had James Vick coming off the I

1213
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: think heartbreaking, well, the heartbreaking loss to Paul Felder. You

1214
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: punctured the guys along and you still couldn't win. By

1215
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: the way, he told me he was looking for that

1216
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: money to pay off his house. He didn't get it,

1217
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: so this is the one where he's looking at pay up.

1218
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot on the line here man

1219
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: on Saturday, so Pac Thurman as well as UFC San

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Speaker 1: Antonio and this podcast. You can get this on iTunes,

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1226
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Speaker 1: of the some of the ways we're doing things here.

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Speaker 1: Let us know in the comments below. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: you're you're going.

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Speaker 2: To I'll be in Vegas for Pakia Thurman.

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00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Yes, please don't get lice, which is common in Vegas.

1231
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: All right, that was weird.

1232
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: I hate Vegas. I hate going to Vegas.

1233
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: It's it's only going to be about one hundred and

1234
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 2: ten on Saturdays. It's the swamp back number of days.

1235
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: It really is really really bad food. Nobody talks about that.

1236
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 2: Really bad food in Vegas.

1237
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: Bad common food, very expensive good foods.

1238
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: Oh of course, yeah, you got if you buy one

1239
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars stake, you're gonna be living. Anything

1240
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: short of that. You're hurting on that reporters.

1241
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Speaker 1: That reporter's done. That's so great. All Right, thank you

1242
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: guys so much for watching. We'll see you next week.

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Speaker 1: Take care,