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Speaker 1: saw that, where it's like, oh my god, this guy

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00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: that I know has got a whole different type of persona.

430
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 1: Was it that kind of maybe na persona, but as

431
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 1: a performer he was like a different, different kind of

432
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 1: person or just the elevated version of himself. I think

433
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: it was just elevating. He is a big personality, and

434
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 1: he walks in the room and you know, he's in

435
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: the room and in a good way, you know, in

436
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: a good way. But when you saw it, when I

437
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: saw him up there doing his element and what he did,

438
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: it just kind of almost put it in a different

439
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: perspective for me. And I didn't really know what I

440
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: wanted to do or what I thought I should do,

441
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: but I couldn't stop thinking about it. You know, we

442
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: did the show that night and you know, hung out,

443
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: drove back like eight hours the next day, and I

444
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: couldn't stop thinking about I'm like, this guy really deserves

445
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 1: like a shot, you know, how do I help him

446
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: do this? And he he was The company isn't around

447
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: anymore of it was Calmer Room Music. It was a

448
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: smaller independ the publishing company that he that I worked

449
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: for and he was writing for. And I went to

450
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: the guy who owned it, Roger Moore, and just said,

451
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, can I have your blessing to figure out

452
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: what to do with him? And he was did he

453
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: want to work with you in that way? What did

454
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: you and Luke talk? No? Not, I mean no, because

455
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: I think I was just more like I want to

456
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: I think he needed he was still green, but you

457
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: still saw the potential. So I'm like, what can I

458
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: do to help figure this out and help him with

459
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: a path And and I just kind of started with

460
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: his co writes and me, I just started calling people

461
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: that I knew from Air Stay in our days and

462
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: had become good friends with through all our experiences there.

463
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I did the old hey, will you

464
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 1: do me a favor call? And you know some did,

465
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: some didn't, and just really worked on growing like his

466
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: level of people he was co writing with. And you know,

467
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: he still had a great batch of people he was

468
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 1: you know that he had already developed himself and had

469
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, great songs. But I just thought he needed

470
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: to raise the bar on that side of things. And

471
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I started it in my mind,

472
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: like going down how to how to help him grow.

473
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: And then in the meantime, you know, he was still playing.

474
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: He always kind of played a lot of club shows

475
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: then in Nashville or was he just playing the Southeast Southeast?

476
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: And you know, so he and Michael Carter, who's still

477
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: in his band and his you know, guitar player, band

478
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: leader guy. I saw him at the airport the other day. Yeah,

479
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: we talked. So he's still with Luke. But they were

480
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: in a band then, and you know, since college, and

481
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: they would go go do that every weekend. You know,

482
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,959
Speaker 1: they could load up whatever vehicle they were driving at

483
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: the time. I remember, you know, a small Twitter truck,

484
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: remember a tod just you know, packing it in and

485
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: they went after it every weekend, and and we just

486
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: kept working on it that way. In the meantime, I

487
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: would when I was pitching songs to my and our

488
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: friends at all the different labels, we I would try

489
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: to make a point like if I was playing his song,

490
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: to talk about him for a minute, you know, it

491
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,720
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492
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: I was trying to get them familiar with his name,

493
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: and you know that he was trying to do that

494
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495
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,920
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525
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Speaker 1: to go all right, yeah, I'm gonna consist a paycheck

526
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: doing publishing, where you're going to go to a lesser

527
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Speaker 1: consistent paycheck managing an artist, because it's a risk because

528
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Speaker 1: you're only getting I mean I talked about mine. They

529
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: get everything I get. That being said, I gotta get

530
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: it like I gotta be able to make the money

531
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: because if I don't make money here, no one wants

532
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Speaker 1: to hire me. They don't get paid. So there's a

533
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: real there's a risk to you go on, here's my

534
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: paycheck or I'm my I'm a water bill covered too.

535
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and and put my faith in this artist.

536
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: Like what point did you go? All right, I'm in,

537
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: let's go. He I mean, he had brought it up

538
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: a couple of times like well, fast forward. We you

539
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: know he was writing songs, writing better songs. Um. He

540
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: he had written with a guy named Jeff Stevens, who's

541
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: a songwriter here in Nashville. He's had tons of hits

542
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: that I mean, George Strait, Caring Your Love with Me,

543
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: Carried Away, Alabama Cut has just been you know, a

544
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: successful writer here in town. I had asked Jeff to

545
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: write with him, and it took a minute to set

546
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: it up, if I remember right, because I feel like

547
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: Jeff was between publishing deals or something. So it took

548
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: a minute and they finally end up writing and they

549
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: just hit it off and they I think maybe after

550
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: like the third song they wrote. Larry, a guy named

551
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: Larry Willoughby who was head of A and R at

552
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: Capitol Records. I heard a couple of the demos and

553
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: just really loved, you know, kind of the sound, and

554
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he called and he's like,

555
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 1: I really like these and I like what Luke's doing, right,

556
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: now you know who's he doing? Is this Jeff? And

557
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: so he asked Jeff to kind of keep writing with

558
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: them and see what they could come up with kind

559
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: of thing. And so that had happened. Um, Jeff ended

560
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: up being his producer and is still his producer. Has

561
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: produced every record you know today so far. So that's

562
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: a fun story, you know. Now I'm looking back on

563
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: that um. But he had asked Jeff to be a

564
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: part of that um. But you like, so yes, so

565
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: going that so all these steps that happened. He got

566
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: a record deal with Capitol Records. Are you as manager

567
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: at this point? No, I'm still publishing. How does he

568
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: not have a manager if he's got a deal? I

569
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: was just pitching him, I was too in the meeting,

570
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: But he has another manager? How does that? Like? My

571
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: mind right now is going he's got a deal. But no,

572
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: I know so many people that don't have deals that

573
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: have like nineteen managers always say that we were both

574
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: just Naiven green enough to just to keep trying. I

575
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: don't know, he gets a deal. And you guys have

576
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: been working so close together, there's obviously that trust. And

577
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: so what's the conversation light between you two He had

578
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: brought it up a few times, but I was asked, no,

579
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, that's not my deal. I don't know how

580
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: that whole side of the world works, that just of it.

581
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: But I've never put a tour together. I've never like

582
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: had to book shows and you know, the whole, that

583
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: whole side of things. I've worked at a label, so

584
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: I kind of knew the big picture, but I was

585
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: still I was on the song side of it. I

586
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: had never been in that trenches of that um, so

587
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: I would just, you know, kind of brush it off.

588
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: And I had literally I'd set up meetings with either

589
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: three or four other managers in town and took him

590
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: to the meetings. Wow. And and when you did that,

591
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: were you literally hoping one of the managers and Luke

592
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: hit it off and he would have to have a

593
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: manager you wouldn't like take him to the worst ones

594
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: like that only had done punk rock and be like, well, versure,

595
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: this ain't gonna work. Look at that. So you're rooting

596
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: for Luke. You're like, all right, buddy, we're gonna get

597
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: you a good manager. That was never worked. I mean

598
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: there were I mean, he could have picked someone, for sure,

599
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: But then the more he but he didn't talk about it.

600
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: I think I woke up one day and was like,

601
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it hit me and I said, I'm

602
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: either going to have to walk away from this. And

603
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: at that point it was probably for four years of

604
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: like really putting a lot into what he was trying

605
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: to do. I have to walk away or have to

606
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: figure it out. It's like every girl I ever dated,

607
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: they got like Bobby, get off the pot, and usually

608
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: I get off the pot and I run away. So yeah,

609
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: you have that decision and you decide. I mean I

610
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: was terrified. I had like two friends in town that

611
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: I really confided in and was just like, what do

612
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: you think? And to that I was probably driving crazy

613
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: about it, and um, and then UM. I called Mike Duncan,

614
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: who was the president of Capitol Records, and I had

615
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: known him a long time. He was the number two

616
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: person at Arista, where I had worked previously, so we

617
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: had a great relationship and a long term relationship. And

618
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: that I I was so kind of scared of doing

619
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: something I didn't know. And more than that, I didn't

620
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: want Luke to not be taken seriously, like it's a

621
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: brand new artist with a manager that no one has

622
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: ever heard of. That's not a great formula, you know,

623
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: And I knew that, so I just had to get

624
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: his blessing. I had to or his opinion, like you know,

625
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: I called him and I said, Luke's brought this up

626
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: a couple of times and now I feel like I

627
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: can't walk away. But I will only do this if

628
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: you are behind it, because I don't want you not

629
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: taking him seriously. And you know, the the interesting thing

630
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: will be to go back and now ask Dungan what

631
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: he was really thinking in that moment, you know, when

632
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: I put him on the spot like that, but he

633
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: sat there a minute and he he just goes KP,

634
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I think you should do it. And I mean honestly,

635
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: that took a lot of weight off, and I mean

636
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: I was still scared, but um just getting him to

637
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: sign off and feeling like he supported the decision like

638
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: made me didn't feel like I can move forward with it.

639
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: But it was still a risk, like I have no

640
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: like there's there's you know how it works. I mean

641
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: I know not everyone out there does. But unless coming in,

642
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: Unless of money's coming in and ain't you're not paying

643
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: your bills or you got to go in the savings.

644
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: We laugh now because um, my husband's a dentist and

645
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: he bought our first like step and repeat backdrop thing

646
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: because for Luke, Yeah, so what a step and repeat

647
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: is when you see, like Luke take a picture of

648
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: somebody and behind Luke it says Luke Bryan or the

649
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: name of the tour. It's literally just a frame with

650
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: some kind of like felt or rubber and it's just

651
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: and you get in front of it and that it's's

652
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: called a steven repeat because it's like next person up, step,

653
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: take a picture. Hey, nice to meet, It moves on.

654
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: So your husband bought that, huh? Because well then what

655
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: you go though? Right where you go and you've got

656
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: a lot to learn because it's it's all, it's all

657
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: the part of an artist career that I think even

658
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: people don't realize are parts of an artist career. The

659
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: touring things interesting because you're routing a tour, yes, and

660
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: with the tour route because you know, I've learned a

661
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff with torring to you don't go

662
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: California than Maine. Correct. You gotta find venues that are

663
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: open and available, that are nearing like someone else isn't

664
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: near the market. I mean it's a puzzle, yes, so

665
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: to Luckily there are other people that help you do

666
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: that part. But you've got to find the right people

667
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: though too. Yes, yes, Um. And then we Luke's agent

668
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: and was a guy named Jay Williams and he's still

669
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: his agent today from William Morris Endeavor. Um. But I

670
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: think at that I mean, I don't know exactly, but

671
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: I think at that point Luke may have been his

672
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: second client. He had signed Dirk Spentley and he flew

673
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: down to a show in Luke's hometown because he had

674
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: heard about this new kid that had gotten signed and

675
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: he flew down and Um, I don't know, we did.

676
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: We hit it off with him. It was like a

677
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: vibe thing. It was just kind of a gut like

678
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: this guy feels like the gay for us so and

679
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: he still lives today. So he helped me a lot.

680
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't here when Luke started, Um, I was still

681
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: in Texas. But was Luke? Was there some heat on

682
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: him when he was a new artist and people are like,

683
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: oh this new guy or was he like one of

684
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: the new artists that It took a bit and he

685
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: he kind of put some songs down and people like

686
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, what was it like like with

687
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: Luke in the beginning? Well, the first song we released

688
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: was all my friends say, and it end up being

689
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: a top five So you're starting strong, all my friends say.

690
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: He's like, You're like, both is easy. We gotta figure

691
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: that out. How do you feel when this song actually

692
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: has some success? You're a brand new manager? Are you

693
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: like I made the right call? Like I feel good

694
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: about it? Which part about being a manager? Yes, all

695
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: of it. You're like, holy cramp, we got a top

696
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: five song, got a new artist, like, we're ready to go. Yes,

697
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: you do feel very proud and very excited for sure.

698
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: But you know one song doesn't mean you have a career.

699
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: But you only put out one and you're one for one. Yes, okay,

700
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: so so very excited. You got a little new artist.

701
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: This kid from Georgia kind of has a kind of

702
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: little little twang about him, a distinct voice, a little flate,

703
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: little little flavors. Get so okay, what's next? Next? Was

704
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: a heartbreak for us. Um we put out a song

705
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: called We Wrote in Trucks and it died? How quickly

706
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: did it die? I think I'm terrible on memories and

707
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: all that, but I'm gonna say it got in the

708
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: thirties and our head of promo radio promotion, and at

709
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: the time, I just felt like he wasn't getting gonna

710
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: get it up the chart. And the reason it was

711
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: heartbreaking was when Luke turned in his record. I think

712
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: I've heard him say so, I'm not miss speaking, but

713
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: that he believed and I definitely believed like it was

714
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: his song. I mean at that point, like to me,

715
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: that was the song that was going to this one

716
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: launched it. Yes, it didn't. It did not go so well,

717
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: did not, And I was devastated, really, he was beyond

718
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: devastated because that was his his personal like baby song

719
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: like that. I just feel like it was the It

720
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: just still like if you can and listen to it,

721
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny you play in those those because

722
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: it's I haven't listened to those in a long time

723
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: as far as like his voice and it just sounds

724
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: so different now. But um, but when you listen to

725
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: the lyric of that song, it was it's very well

726
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: done and I was just super proud of that lyric

727
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: and what the message was at that time. And you know,

728
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: it was called we wrote in trucks, but it wasn't

729
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: about trucks. It was about life. So that one doesn't

730
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: do well. So then it's like, oh great, now we

731
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: got it. Now, now the pressure is on because you

732
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: just said one just kind of petered out. So what happens, Well,

733
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: you know that I'll say a lesson I learned and

734
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: that or that I ended up learning and I looked

735
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: back on it. Um. I think at that moment when

736
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: that song didn't work, I remember sitting in the office,

737
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: I was ranting at Starstruk Entertainment and telling myself, you

738
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: know what, like I can't just rely on a liaison

739
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: telling me why that work. Like I want to be

740
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: able to ask people in radio why that didn't work.

741
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: But I didn't know them because I was the brand

742
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: new manager in town that no one knew. So it

743
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: really became like a kind of a personal mission of

744
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: mine to figure out how to meet those people and

745
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: have a relationship with them. So the only way I

746
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: need to do that was to start going to bunch

747
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: of shows road and do it. And it's funny, say

748
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: get on the road because even before I would say

749
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: you and I have a friendship now, But even before

750
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: we just worked professionally around each other. You were always

751
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: with Luke, always with Luke, and I was like, man,

752
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: she's always with Luke. Well at the time though only

753
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: he was my only client very very long time. So

754
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: there was that now when I knew you though because

755
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: Cole Cole came around about when I came around. Yeah,

756
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: Actually I worked with Kelly Bannon before that. Um, so

757
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: she was my second signing. Not Cole was around, but

758
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: he was around in a different role. Was that right?

759
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: He was Luke's merch guy. So yeah, which which is

760
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: funny to talk of. Right, So with Luke, Um, how

761
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: many songs did he have that didn't work? That was?

762
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: That was the one? So what was next? Um? Countryman? Okay?

763
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: What was the turning point for Luke? Where you go

764
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: all right? Now? We went from being like an artist

765
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: is on the radio and it's good to like probably

766
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: do I that he wrote with Charles a day from

767
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: lady a. Um, that's probably the song that you that

768
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: you really felt like I was making a turn? Um

769
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: what this song? Was? There ever a question of who

770
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: would get it because Charles and you know an artist

771
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: right together? Because I just had this conversation with um

772
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: T r because tr Tom Shrutt and um Matthew Matt

773
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: from Old Dominion wrote some People do Together and they

774
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: had the who gets it because they both really liked it. Now,

775
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: I wonder when you talk about do I was that

776
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: an issue with them? If I remember right, I want

777
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: to say that Lady A already had their album out,

778
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: and maybe it was the timing. And you know that

779
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: those guys were fired up about being writers and stuff too,

780
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: So I think they were just excited, you know, to

781
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: have a cut, you know, like I remember the number

782
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: one party and Charles you know, speaking on that. Just

783
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: how excited you know, honestly for some reason, I was

784
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: watching it not too long ago if somebody had a

785
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: clip up like the last two or three months, but

786
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: he's saying in that clip, you know, oddly enough, this

787
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: was almost more exciting for us than our first number one,

788
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: which I don't know, but they had had I mean,

789
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: needs you now please write the biggest song on the

790
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: universe at that time. So they were doing fun. So

791
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: that's kind of the turning point where like the festival offers,

792
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: are you now the big bold letters? Does this do that?

793
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: But you know, Luke's been in my opinion, I think

794
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: he's always had a strong touring career. That was actually

795
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: probably a very big benefit to him. He always was

796
00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: fortunate in that field of clubs and selling mout and

797
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: you know, not maybe not the first time, but like

798
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: we really we really built that one for a while,

799
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: club circuit and coming back and coming back and coming back,

800
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: you know. But then he did a lot of support.

801
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think our first support slot, I'm trying.

802
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: I think it was I can't remember if if Trace

803
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: Adkins took us out first or that I was the

804
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: one I remember the most being the longest, like real

805
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: tour was Luke on the front, Bucky Comington in the middle,

806
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: and Dirk's headline Bucky coming comes playing the middle spot Overlouke. Crazy.

807
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: The only time I hear Bucky coming now is on

808
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: the airport when he's like this, Bucky coach, thanks for

809
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: coming to ben A. No. Where is he I don't know,

810
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: I haven't haven't even seen him around. And he was

811
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: an idol guy, right, I think I think he was too. Yeah,

812
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: from like back in the back of the day. So

813
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: first time Luke Wins entertained of the year, I mean,

814
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: you'll make me cry now thinking about it, but it

815
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: was it was beyond and saying, um, it's that. I

816
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: mean definitely that you feel like the validation from your

817
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: peers and co workers and you know, but I think

818
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: it was even more so just knowing all the hard

819
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: work that he had put in and just you know

820
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: how I mean, you don't talk that moment, you know ever,

821
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: and he and his family have had a lot of

822
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: unfortunate tragedies, and like watching them in that moment and

823
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: being able to enjoy that moment was you know, pretty

824
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: emotional and and um, I mean I was shocked though,

825
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I really the truth be told that year

826
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: when they were doing nominations and a lot of times

827
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: you discussed with your label kind of what your things

828
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: are that your most your important emphasis for the voting period.

829
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: I told them not to include him an entertainer, Like

830
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: I literally remember saying that. I'm like, no, we don't

831
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: need to go there because I mean, truthfully, I hated

832
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: like as an industry person always, it always bugged me

833
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: when I thought people were on there and they weren't

834
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: quite ready to be on there, and I kind of

835
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: felt like that's where he was, like I didn't, I mean,

836
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: he was blowing up and I knew that, I felt that,

837
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: but I still didn't feel like he should be there.

838
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: And then after the first round when he made the

839
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: second round, but then as a manager, you're like, well,

840
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: they put him in there. I'm not going to sit

841
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: here and not try to support it out. Man. At

842
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: that point we went to work pretty hard, crazy, just

843
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: because you were there from the beginning. Like there's just

844
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: all of that early early sweat is so much more rewarding.

845
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: It was mind blowing, like our I mean, you know,

846
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: he's been fortunate enough, he's one to a c M

847
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: entertainer into c M A but I mean on all

848
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: four times, you're just overwhelmed because that's again, that's like

849
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: the that's the Trump. That's like the biggest honor that

850
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: you can get. You know, in our industry, what's the

851
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: most frustrating thing about fans with Luke or not even

852
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: fans critics. Let's go critics, because fans are all the

853
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: fans love. I have this thing to where I talk

854
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: to people. I'm like, you can't people just want a voice.

855
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: People are gonna say things just to be heard and

856
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: they don't mean it. Sometimes like or I would get

857
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: irritated for Luke is when they were like hate on

858
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: him for like the dancing. I mean between the dancing

859
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: and you know, my favorite term bro country. You know

860
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: what's funny, I don't even think of Luke as as

861
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: a broke country artist. Yep. That's they started it with him,

862
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: and it's so they did okay much, I mean, and

863
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: then you know, became the thing. And I mean I

864
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: don't know that I heard him do an interview ever

865
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: for like three or four years that that didn't come up.

866
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: It was exhausting. That's funny that that And you're probably right,

867
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: I felt like it was an fgl thing more than

868
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: it was a Luke thing, Is that right? And how

869
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: did he feel about that? Did you just hate it? Yeah? Yeah,

870
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: he hated it. I mean it's his artistry, it's his

871
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, livelihood, it's his face, it's everything, you know.

872
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's not what when you're out

873
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: there working that hard and putting that emotion and energy

874
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: into writing and singing and performing, and then that's the

875
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: headline as his confident like his his closest person professionally.

876
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: And I've had to have these confections with people that

877
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: work close to me like what, how do you because

878
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: people have to walk me through things, I get a

879
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: bit emotional or like I create something and it's not

880
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: How did you talk to him like, hey, man, keep

881
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: your head down, like keep keep going, don't let us

882
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: get to you. I mean, he's good about that anyway. Truthfully,

883
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: he has a good sense of business and he's and

884
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't know, I'm guessing, but

885
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: I think a lot of maybe you know, the personal

886
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: stuff that they've been through tragedy wise as a family,

887
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's a lot that's a lot heavier than

888
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: any of those would ever be, you know, So I

889
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: think just from those experiences, you know, he's good about

890
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: trying not to get heavy about that stuff, but there's

891
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: no way it doesn't, you know, bother you at some point.

892
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, he you know, he would have moments that

893
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: he would get really frustrated about it or that he

894
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: was over it, you know, over that being you know,

895
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: you could to a show and wherever Minnesota and that

896
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: person and also like you know or you know, they

897
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: would somehow reference it, but you know, the review would

898
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: be great, the show would be great, but he would

899
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: still be in there somewhere referred to as the border

900
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: country artist. You know, so he I don't know he

901
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: there was some time. I mean, you know, I don't

902
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: know what year it was, but it was like the topic,

903
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, and he would do interviews and you know,

904
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: a couple of times I would have to maybe stop

905
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: an interviewer two. And that's your job. You have to

906
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: be the bad person sometimes all right, we're done my thing.

907
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: And did you ever have to have me? Do we

908
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: ever have did you ever have to stop with no one?

909
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: That was never a thing to me. But like early on,

910
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't think so, I don't remember. I don't think so.

911
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: I did get interviewed because people were just they were

912
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: a bit I was a new guy, and they were

913
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: a bit like what is this guy up to? But

914
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: as a manager, you know our town, now you know

915
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: our town, now I know what well. I just weren't

916
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: both sides of it. So now you know, I'm doing

917
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: the interviews, but I'm also being interviewed all the time,

918
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: and so I also have my manager. There are times

919
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: where they have to step in and be the bad

920
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: guy or take somebody out of the room and have

921
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable conversation when I they don't want me to

922
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: be around, and that's your job. You have to be

923
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: the balancer sometimes, and like I feel like it's one

924
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: thing to do that early on. It's harder to do

925
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: it early on because you still feel like you're getting

926
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: your foot in the door with everybody and you don't

927
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: want to make it any mad or come off the

928
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: wrong way. But then there's a certain point where you're

929
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: just like, all right, this is not the best situation

930
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: for this client and they need to know. How do

931
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: you feel like being a female in the male business? Male?

932
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're Maleman. I don't mean male is

933
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: but like a dude, a dude bit or there are

934
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes. How was it for you as

935
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: you because you are I mean you are strong. I

936
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: would say early on it was very in country. I

937
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: have to stay in that lane. I mean, it was

938
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: management was male driven. I would say, I mean now

939
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's pretty Balentlesce. I mean I

940
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: think about you know, I mean Mario with Miranda mary Hill,

941
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: You're with dirks Um and with Carrie Virginia tr I

942
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: mean there's a good group. I'm sure I'm leaving people out,

943
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: but just off the top of my head, I mean,

944
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: there's a good, strong group of females now and honestly,

945
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: it's been great because we're all very supportive of each other.

946
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: And I mean there's times at all. I mean I

947
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: remember probably maybe last fall, TEXI Marion, I'm like, are

948
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: you in town? She's like, yeah, I'm like, can you

949
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: meet me? I just needed to vent and like sit

950
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: with somebody who's you know, on the same side. She's amazing,

951
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: but you know, she when I think back to her

952
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: um when I was trying to decide if I was

953
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: going to go do manage, but she was mean I

954
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: barely knew her then, and she would always meet me

955
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: for lunch and give advice and you know, but you

956
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: know there were I mean Clinton Higham did as well.

957
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: I Mean I knew Clint through other you know, friends

958
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: and channels in the business, but you know, he would

959
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: meet me and you give me inside information of like

960
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: how to go about something. You know. So I feel

961
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: like I've always been supportive, but you just like you

962
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: still just have to work your way through it and

963
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: in in our town and always I kind of say,

964
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think from the professional side and the

965
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: artistry side in our town. My opinion, you know, we're

966
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: all very you know we're competitive, but you're still very protective.

967
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think I said this in an

968
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: interview recently, but you know, of course, you know I

969
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: want Luke and Cole with him to be competitive or

970
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: as competitive as Blake and Jason. But then the day

971
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody else talking about Blake or Jason

972
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: in about ways. It's like brothers or best friends, like

973
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: like I may beat up, but don't don't like my

974
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: show even right, I may beat up on Lunchbox, but

975
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: you don't talk about Lunchbox. I will kill you. Is

976
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: that kind of deal? So one of the Luke questions,

977
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: I want to move to Cole. So just about American Idol?

978
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: How does that even happen? Um? Luke started well, Luke

979
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: ended up hosting a c MS you start with Blake

980
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: Um and then with Zarks for a couple of years. Um.

981
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: So I feel like that kind of maybe open that

982
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: even the TV door a little bit in Luke's mind.

983
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: I don't know that he ever set out to do

984
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: that by any means, but he enjoyed it and it

985
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: was a lot of pressure even that at the face

986
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: of that Awards show, and you I think he did

987
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: it five year or so. I really feel like looking

988
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: back from year one to five, he did grow a

989
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: lot and he started getting it and like what he

990
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: needed to do and what they needed from him. And

991
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's a whole another as you well know,

992
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: it's a whole another level of I'm not just going

993
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: on stage and performing. But um, you know, we had

994
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: gotten he had gotten several offers, you know, for different

995
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: TV things, and we had passed on a lot, you know, um,

996
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: and they just didn't feel right or at the end

997
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: of the day, he just you know, he just kept

998
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: passing on him. And then this I got a call

999
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: about American Idol. I truthfully didn't think he was going

1000
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: to be interested, truly, but you know, of course I

1001
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: take it to him and give him the details on it,

1002
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: and he just went, huh. He sat there a minute.

1003
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: I might remember being shocked, like he's actually thinking about this,

1004
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, And you know, you asked a lot of questions,

1005
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: and you know, at that point, I had a ton

1006
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: of questions, like we had never gone into any kind

1007
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: of adventure down that lane, and we just kind of

1008
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: kept talking through it. You know, I'm trying to remember

1009
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: at that point, I don't know that anybody. I'm trying

1010
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: to think if Katie was locked in. I think maybe

1011
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: she was getting close, but I don't know that she was,

1012
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: like had signed on the dotted line to come on. UM.

1013
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: So you were kind of waiting those things out to

1014
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: to see if it made sense. Um. But we just

1015
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: kept talking. We met with them a lot. I mean,

1016
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: it was it was a pretty long process the first time.

1017
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: How's he like doing the show? He loves it? I

1018
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: mean I know the answer to this, but you see it. Yeah,

1019
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: I mean the two of you, you both love it.

1020
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: You both sit backstage and talk about different contestants, and

1021
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: people are so like I liked the people like Trish

1022
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: and like I just like working with the people at

1023
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: IDOL because for me, it's all about one environment of

1024
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: I in it's going to allow me to be at

1025
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: my best, because if I'm not doing something where people

1026
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: are giving me an opportunity to shine or supporting me,

1027
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't even want to do it. I think they

1028
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: do a great job of that. And you know, and

1029
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how you felt coming into it the

1030
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: first time, but it's like anything else may. I remember

1031
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: walking into the first after we signed on and getting

1032
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: to the first audition. I mean I felt like Mama

1033
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: bear because I was like, you know, you don't trust

1034
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: anybody when you walk in because you've just learned along

1035
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: the way. Um, and we didn't know you know, we've

1036
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: met him in different meetings, but we don't know him,

1037
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: so you know you go in going oh, um, Katie

1038
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: and Lionel too. I mean there's a dynamic there where

1039
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: those three have to sit up there, and it's hard.

1040
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: It's a lot of working parts and how is it

1041
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: gonna work together? And I know, you know, I don't

1042
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: think even I think about that even when he was

1043
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: hosting until how many Awards shows had I set through

1044
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: through the years. But then when the person you're representing

1045
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: is up there, and again they're the face of it,

1046
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: you start thinking about it differently. But I mean it's

1047
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. I mean I think about the

1048
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: three of them up there, and I mean you you

1049
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you know, you guys are trying

1050
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: to give guidance and advice, especially during auditions. You know

1051
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: how many kids roll through there, and I mean we

1052
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: tape what ten hours long? And those three set up

1053
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: there and have to be on and you know, you

1054
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: don't want your advice to sound the same. You know,

1055
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: North shut it. It's different people singing. But I mean,

1056
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: that's it's harder than you think, than than I'll ever

1057
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: thought about it until he was doing it. But he

1058
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: does love it. And you know, you guys talk about

1059
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: it when you're not on camera, we do, yeah, well,

1060
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: like I'll and I'll ask them not to. I'll be like,

1061
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: why did you not? Because we don't our rule to

1062
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: we don't only talk about it while it's exactly happening,

1063
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: because I don't want to because I'm with them when

1064
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: they don't see them right, Like judges don't hang out

1065
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: with the I'm with them all the time, and so

1066
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to even more inside school. But I'll

1067
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: go to him after they cut somebody and be like, oh,

1068
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: you suck, you screwed up. Like one of the girls,

1069
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: Emma Emma Klein. I was like, why did you cut her?

1070
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: Like she's great? And he's like and he you know,

1071
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: he sees it different than I've seen it there. You know,

1072
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: it's those three and I'm taking her out on the

1073
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: road with me. The whole Aaron Walker are both going

1074
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: out with me the whole YEARK told me that, Yeah,

1075
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: so okay, so let's go back. And you mentioned Luke's

1076
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: merch guy, Cole, and so Cole Swindell, Um, well, Cole

1077
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: has been in our life a long time. Um. He

1078
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: went to Georgia Southern and that's where Luke and Michael's

1079
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: guitar player had gone to school. So they had they

1080
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: were going at you know, back and doing like fraternity

1081
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: parties and stuff. And Cole was in school there. He's

1082
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, he's a few years behind them, and he

1083
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: would come to these fraternity parties and he was just intrigued.

1084
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: He was an of like that. They got up and

1085
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 1: singing and then I mean Luke and I don't think

1086
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: I was at the fraternity party phase of that, but

1087
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: Luke tells the story of you know, him rolling in

1088
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: to do a show and he had a new song

1089
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: that he had written and just Cole's reaction like you

1090
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: actually wrote it, like you wrote it, and him like

1091
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: realizing like, oh my gosh, you know this guy also

1092
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: wrote the song, like how does that work? And just

1093
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: his he was just i mean cold, just was like

1094
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: the sponge that couldn't get enough of it, and he

1095
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: eventually end up doing like a little duo thing with

1096
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: another guy from you know that he went to school with,

1097
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: and they kind of started doing the little bar circuit

1098
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: thing too. But he was always I mean, there wasn't

1099
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: a show that we did in the Southeast that he

1100
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: didn't find his way to, you know, he would I

1101
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: would look out and be like, oh, there's the cole,

1102
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: there's the cold kids here. I remember the day that

1103
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: Lou called me and said, um now, let me paint

1104
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: the picture. I was a solo like, I had zero employee,

1105
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: zero no help. I had two small children, and I

1106
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: literally would stay up every night probably mean I would

1107
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: get them to bed and then go back to my email,

1108
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: probably told two or three in the morning. We were

1109
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: booking flights. I mean I was booking flights for radio

1110
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: tours and hotels, and I mean it was NonStop. So

1111
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd I don't think i'd ever been

1112
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: paid yet, which was fine. Um. So I would work

1113
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: with songwriters kind of on the side and pitch their

1114
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: songs and just to have some income coming in, you know,

1115
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: for myself. So that's kind of how I made that work. Then,

1116
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: but I remember the day that he called and said, hey, um,

1117
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: so cold blast the phone with coal and and um,

1118
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: he really wants to move to town. Do you have

1119
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: a job for him? And I go cold, like I

1120
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: remember stop, I go cold, like trying to think about it.

1121
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: And he was like, you know the kid from Georgia.

1122
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: I went no, I don't have a job for coal.

1123
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: I was like, how are we gonna pay goal? And

1124
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, I just wanted to help him.

1125
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: He was smooth a town. And I'm like, I get it,

1126
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: but we can't pay him, like I don't have a

1127
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: job for him, and we hung up, and he was

1128
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: very Luke was very disappointed. And I sat there in

1129
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: like ten minutes later. I was like, hmm, So I

1130
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: called Luke back and I'm like, well, we do need

1131
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: somebody to sell your T shirts and he would perfect,

1132
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: I'll call you back, and he hangs up and calls

1133
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: him and literally Cole drives the town that night. Wow,

1134
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: he was that fired up. He was that fired up.

1135
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: He was ready to get on the bus. He was

1136
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: ready to go. So we had a bus. We probably

1137
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: didn't have a bus then, actually thinking back and said

1138
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: driving himself to all the shows. Now he's part of

1139
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: the team going to the shows and he's selling March.

1140
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: But okay, so how does he end up telling Luke

1141
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: or or you or whomever. Hey, I'm also like writing songs.

1142
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: We knew that he had the art, you know, the

1143
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: duo things, so that wasn't a secret, you know, but

1144
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: he he didn't, you know, Coles Cole was gonna ease

1145
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: his way in. You know, he doesn't walk in a

1146
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: room and and and demand everyone to know everything. He

1147
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I think he sat back and

1148
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: kind of watched it and learned, and he didn't do

1149
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: the artist thing for a while. You know. He was

1150
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: probably out with us selling T shirts for probably two

1151
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: or three years before I ever really even saw him.

1152
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: I saw him. Oh yeah, he did it. I mean, yeah,

1153
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: for sure, I mean he did it. Maybe. I mean

1154
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: he probably he was out there with us definitely three

1155
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: or four years selling, But I was gonna say, like,

1156
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: it was a few years in before I saw him

1157
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: actively out there trying to write songs. So he and

1158
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: Michael Carter, Luke's guitar player, started getting in the back

1159
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: of the back lounge of the bus, and Michael wasn't

1160
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: really a writer at that time. He had had like

1161
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: a small deal maybe right when he first lived to town.

1162
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: But I think they just kind of taught themselves how

1163
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: to like they would do it every day. The two

1164
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: of them would sit back there every day and right.

1165
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: And I didn't hear any of the songs. I didn't

1166
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: really ask about him, and I think one I don't

1167
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: Maybe Cole shared one with me and I was like, well,

1168
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty good. And then he eventually would occasionally

1169
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: share one and I remember hearing like a demo session

1170
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: and there was there was a song in there. I'm

1171
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: not gonna remember the title right now, but I remember

1172
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: thinking that it was like the best thing that he

1173
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: had ever done. And I went and played it for

1174
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 1: Luke and I was like, hey, I think they're getting

1175
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: the hang of it. It looks like really, let me

1176
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: hear you know, you got all excited and and I mean,

1177
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: one thing I will say about Luke and Cole was

1178
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: the same. They both are are truly champions for other

1179
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: people like they do like I watched both of them

1180
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: want other people to win and have opportunities and they

1181
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: get I mean, Luke gets fired up for new artists

1182
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: and Cold does the same thing and they just love

1183
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: watching people and those and those steps along the way.

1184
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, so he was our our merch gods turned

1185
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: guy that's riding the back of the bus. So for you,

1186
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: when do you go, Okay, well, it's an investment for you.

1187
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: He well, he came. I could tell he was really

1188
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: starting to hay me out there, like selling the T

1189
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: shirt part. He was really he had the writer bug

1190
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: bad and um so we pulled him off the road

1191
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: and I went to Luke and I said, you know what,

1192
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's really doing well. I was like, I

1193
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna trying to help him find a publishing deal.

1194
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: And then I think at that point I had the

1195
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: idea to go talk to Luke's publisher and just see

1196
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: if they had any interest or any interest of doing

1197
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: something with us or I mean, I didn't really know.

1198
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: I was just talking through it with a guy named

1199
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: Troy Thomason. It's Sony Tree and that is where Luke

1200
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: was a writer. And you know, I remember we went

1201
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: in there and met with him and he's looking at

1202
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: us like, no, we'll make a to do this, and

1203
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, Troy, just I mean, I remember, just trust us.

1204
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: Just trust us, please, And he's like, do you know

1205
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: how many deals I've done like this and how they've gone,

1206
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, with writer with artists, and and I'm like, no,

1207
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: but just trust us, you know. And I'm like, we

1208
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: want to sign Cole and Michael Carter and they're gonna

1209
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be amazing. And you know, he really did

1210
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: not want to, but but the relationship was important to him,

1211
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: and he was like, all right, we'll try it. And

1212
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: it has paid off. Well. What was cool? What was

1213
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: the first song that Cole wrote? It was like some

1214
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: had some you know, substance to it that got some

1215
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: radio players something. Um. I think his first cut was

1216
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: Scottie Creery white Water Tower Town. I think that was

1217
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: the first one. And then he had a Craig He

1218
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: and Michael had a Craig Campbell song. Ah, what was

1219
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: the name of it? It literally was the like one

1220
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: of the longest songs on the chart that you can't

1221
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: stop loving. Was it Craig Campbell or Craig They're too

1222
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: Craig Craig Campbell? Um? What was the Craig Because he

1223
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: got right in the middle, so great songm just blanking

1224
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: on it right now. Call's writing, but is he going,

1225
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 1: I also want to be an artist to you? He?

1226
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: I think he went and did a B M I

1227
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: b M I UM does a retreat at Key West

1228
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: with songwriters, and he went and did that one year,

1229
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's when he got in the bug back,

1230
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: like when he and he had a couple of songs

1231
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: that had been hits for other artists and he did

1232
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: that in the reaction and this is it out of

1233
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: my head? But sorry, I out of my head. Yes,

1234
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, yeah, that's cretic. Yeah, this song whenever

1235
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: Craig Cambell got dropped and I dropped, the label thing

1236
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: folded and the song was so good that my company,

1237
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: I Heart was like, we're going to make it on

1238
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: the verge because the song is so good and Craig,

1239
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: what's I remember this whole thing going down? It was

1240
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: and I'm and it ended up I don't know if

1241
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: it ended up being the longest running song, but it was.

1242
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: It was almost sixty weeks, A long time, A long

1243
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: time with Cole as an artist, as you do see

1244
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: him and go, okay, this is the guy who's gonna

1245
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: have a bunch of hits and get up and no,

1246
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: not really, to be honest, I didn't at the time

1247
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: because you know, he's he's a little he's grown into

1248
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: artistry side. You know, he was a little more quiet

1249
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: and he's even now he's so I mean, did I think?

1250
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: But I knew like the songs he was turning in

1251
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: and his writing, that part I knew was great. And

1252
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: he came in UM and played me a song when

1253
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: he had the song called let Me See Your Girl,

1254
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: and I loved it. And I had talked to UM

1255
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: Stormy and then John Marks about like, you know, how

1256
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: does this program work that you guys do and x

1257
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 1: M At the time John was there and UM they

1258
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: at the time when I asked them that question, f G.

1259
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: I was the only person who had done their program.

1260
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: So I was just kind of inquiring about it because

1261
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: I knew that you didn't necessarily have to be signed

1262
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: and they would support it. You know, it was a

1263
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: little different angle. And he had agreed to UM played

1264
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: the song and but in the meantime, Cole It's texting me,

1265
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,919
Speaker 1: go on, hey, I read this other song. I can't

1266
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: wait for you to hear it. I'm waiting dying for

1267
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: the demo. Da da da da and he just kept

1268
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: talking about it. And one day he calls and he goes,

1269
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: are you in your office? And I go yeah, and

1270
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: he goes, can I swing by? And I said sure.

1271
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: So he comes in and he's kind of nervous and

1272
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: he said, well, I got that song back I was

1273
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: funny about and I said, okay, awesome. He goes, can

1274
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: you can you listen to it? I'm like yeah. So

1275
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: he hands me, you know, his phone or whatever, I

1276
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: think it was a phone at that and I plug

1277
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: it in and I'm just sitting there, head down, listening

1278
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: to the song and he told he tells the story

1279
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: that like that. I have no reaction and I'm not

1280
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: looking at him, and he is panicking because he thinks

1281
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: I hate it, And I get why he would think

1282
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: that looking back, But what I was really thinking the

1283
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: whole time I was listening to the song was oh

1284
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: my gosh, what am I going to do with this?

1285
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I really was like, this is so fun

1286
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: and so different and so good. And the song ends,

1287
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: I turned it off and I would turn it and

1288
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 1: I look at him. I'm like, do you you really

1289
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: want to be an artist? Like you've been on the road,

1290
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: You've seen what they do, You see what it's about,

1291
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: you really want to do it? And he goes, I

1292
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: really do, and I went, okay, because this is the song,

1293
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: and I mean like and then we both literally start

1294
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: jumping up and down in my office. And that song

1295
01:05:50,080 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: was so crazy, that that that whole how one of

1296
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: them rolls into the other, it was insane, I mean.

1297
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: And and at that time the only artist I had

1298
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: ever shopped a duel was Luke when I was working

1299
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: with Kelly Bannon. She was already signed to a label

1300
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: at that time. But um, you know, I started it. Well,

1301
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: people start calling me because they started seeing the streams

1302
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: and then what was happening and he had no deal

1303
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: and that what a good position to be in. That

1304
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: doesn't happen often obviously in this town. Maybe a little

1305
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: more now with you know, more streaming services, I guess,

1306
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: but um, you know, it was overwhelming. I mean I

1307
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: think end of the day, I think he had an

1308
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: offer from every label but one. And so then I

1309
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: was in a hole. I mean, I'm just begging people

1310
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: to give a Luke a deal and we had one

1311
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: offer one and a half somebody else was about to

1312
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, they came to table We're still

1313
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: take this one. But with him it was a different thing,

1314
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: and it was I mean I learned. It was learning

1315
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,479
Speaker 1: something new really, I mean, which is in a fun

1316
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: thing for me personally, like learning. You know, I feel

1317
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: like I don't stop learning, and nor will you ever

1318
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: And if you ever feel like you don't need to,

1319
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: then you're you're done anyway. I mean, like you know,

1320
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: doing a deal for American Idol, like doing a deal

1321
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: on that level, like just what you have to learn

1322
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: to like be in the game. The game is the

1323
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: funny thing. And I wonder because you've done so many

1324
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: things and there are a lot of I get a

1325
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: lot of message from new artists. Intend to listen to

1326
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: this podcast because we get deep into the weeds about

1327
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: songwriting and a lot of the artists come in and

1328
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: talk about, um, you know, second and third layer type

1329
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: things that you don't really talk about on the radio.

1330
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: So what would you say, like, what's what's the key

1331
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: to an artist career? To starting one? It's the angel question,

1332
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: like what advice do you give somebody coming to town? Well,

1333
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think it's about one the

1334
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: people you surround yourself with and that they really do

1335
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: believe in you and that you trust them because it

1336
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: is I mean, I talked to all my clients every

1337
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: day of my life pretty much. I mean, you are

1338
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: in the trenches with them, So I mean, make sure

1339
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: you surround yourself by people that I mean, you're gonna

1340
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: make mistakes and you're gonna you're going to be mad

1341
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: at somebody, and somebody's gonna take advantage of you more

1342
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: than likely somewhere along the way of life, you know.

1343
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I think, I mean, Luke and

1344
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: Cole both have examples that they would go you know,

1345
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: but you know, you just got to look at it

1346
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: like for some reason that was part of my path

1347
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. But move on and we'll

1348
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: do the things we can control. I think that's part

1349
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: of it to me, Like it's like stick true to

1350
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: who you are and what you're about and what you

1351
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: want to say. And it goes back to your critic thing.

1352
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: I mean, that was another advice or that I would

1353
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: try to, you know, tell any of them when they

1354
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: feel like they're getting beat up about something, it's like,

1355
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, what all you can do is you and

1356
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna have an opinion, and they're always going to

1357
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: say something, but be you would be true to you

1358
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: and don't get heavy with it, you know, I mean

1359
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: they're all those phase is I mean you talk, I

1360
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: mean I think about you know, as an artist has

1361
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: their fifth and sixth album, you're always questioning like what

1362
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: do I do next? What I need to do next?

1363
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: You know, And that's good you should always question that.

1364
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: But I think if you get too heavy with it,

1365
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: you'll you'll be in a mess. I don't know. I

1366
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: think I did, not even you definitely did anyway, So

1367
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: what do the if someone's going mad, I think I'd

1368
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: like to be a manager, like they go, I love music,

1369
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah right, what so what and to convince it sixty seconds?

1370
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 1: What does a manager even do? In your mind? I

1371
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: mean there, I guess I think of it like there

1372
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: is nothing that happens in that artist career that the

1373
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 1: manager is not involved in or signing off on or approving,

1374
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: nothing like if you I mean, unless it's something a

1375
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 1: fan has done or put up, but like anything that

1376
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: you think of a photo, a social post, you know,

1377
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: are they on the show, are they not on the show?

1378
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,719
Speaker 1: Or you know, what's the song? I mean you're involved

1379
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: in every single aspect of what is happening. So it's

1380
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: a lot. You have to be crazy organized and then

1381
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: you're still not organized enough and it doesn't turn off. Yeah,

1382
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: and you have We talked about John Langston. Tell me

1383
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: new artists, um, so tell me about John Langston. John

1384
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: Langston he came into my path probably I guess maybe

1385
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: three years ago. Um. And we had some friends um

1386
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: in Georgia that had some had seen him in the

1387
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: bar circuit there and had mentioned him. And a guy

1388
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: that works for me, Dustin Eiden, he does a head

1389
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: of marketing for my management company. He really started paying

1390
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: attention to him, and he would bring him up to

1391
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 1: me and you know, kind of hand me a song

1392
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: every once in a while, and you know, I kind

1393
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: of watched it, but I just kind of watched it,

1394
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: like I didn't feel like he was ready even but

1395
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 1: he was creating this underground something, you know, I mean,

1396
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: like you couldn't deny it. Like I just kept watching

1397
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: it over like two year period, and he got hooked

1398
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: up with Red Aikins who helped him get a publishing deal,

1399
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: and um, I saw his writing get better and stronger,

1400
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: and just saw like more shows he was doing, and

1401
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: he was doing a show at Third and Lindsley here

1402
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,719
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and I was out on the road with Coal,

1403
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: so I couldn't go to it. But several of my

1404
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: staff were going to go watch him and like support him,

1405
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: and I don't. I really did not. I did not

1406
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: talk to one person in my company about this. But

1407
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: I was sitting on Bran O'Connell's bus, who's a promoter

1408
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: um for Live Nation. I was sitting on his bus

1409
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 1: um pre Colt's performance, and I couldn't stop thinking about

1410
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: John was about to go do this show and Nashville

1411
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: that night, and I was kind of bombed. I wasn't

1412
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: gonna be able to see it. And I just FaceTime

1413
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: and was like, I'm just calling to encourage you until

1414
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna do great and I'm excited for you. And

1415
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: by the way, how would you like to work together?

1416
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: Like I did not tell a soul. It's just I

1417
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: couldn't shake get sitting there. I'm like, it's time, Like

1418
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: I've kind of watched him for two years and it's time.

1419
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where that started. Um, and you know,

1420
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: he flips out and was like really, yeah, yes, yes,

1421
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, so it was kind official that night and

1422
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 1: we just kind of kept building him the same. I

1423
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: mean he was he was green. Um, so we worked

1424
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: on you know, he worked on his songwriting and he

1425
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, like the other guys, I really do feel

1426
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: like I've been fortunate with them, Like they do well

1427
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: on the road, and you know, he sells out like

1428
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: every club he plays, and he does has a great

1429
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: underground following, and um he came and did Luke's Farm tour,

1430
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 1: um twenty what year went last year? Guest year before?

1431
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: So seventeen and at that point we were, you know,

1432
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: starting to talk to labels about you know, him getting

1433
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: a record deal, but nobody was really moving on it.

1434
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 1: And I was like, Lucas, like these numbers are crazy.

1435
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, we put out a song of his called

1436
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: when it Comes to Loving You and he has no

1437
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: he's never been on the radio, he has no label deal,

1438
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 1: and my management team put together a plan to release

1439
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: the song, and I mean he was number one all

1440
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: genres over the weekend that we put it out, and

1441
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, that doesn't happen. You don't go

1442
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: on iTunes and sell that many singles unless you've built something.

1443
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: So he did that, and you know, Luke was like

1444
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 1: blown away by that, and um, I had already been

1445
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: talking to a couple of labels about him, and looks

1446
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: like I need to figure it out. I'm just gonna

1447
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: fiure out how to sign him. So Luke kind of

1448
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: went out prematurely and offered him a deal, and we

1449
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: had no label. So I'm standing there going, what are

1450
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: you doing. He's like he's walked off the stage. He goes, Linkston,

1451
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: give me, I'm getting your record deal and I was

1452
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: standing there going, you can't do that. You don't have

1453
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: a label. So I quickly went figured out how to

1454
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: get him a label. So now we have thirty two

1455
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: Bridge Entertainment, John Linkston as Sandinger with EMI and how

1456
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: Picture staff now not big enough, right? A good problem

1457
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: to have, though it is. I think there's like seven

1458
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: of us. You're still in starstruck. No, actually the mall

1459
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: grown up and bought a building. How my own office? Now,

1460
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: where's where's the building? It's in Barry Hill. You bought

1461
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: a building. It was time, it was time. It was time.

1462
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: Only people who has built like you have. You have

1463
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: a building. I don't don't come on like that. I'm

1464
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: saying it like that. You know what annoys me for

1465
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: you sometimes and I hope you you you know I

1466
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: love you too, write like completely, so I want to

1467
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: When people will say she's one of the best women,

1468
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, you, guys, out of your mind, she's like

1469
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: the best, so I put put stop tagging it with

1470
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: a male or female thing like when I when when

1471
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: I see them, they're like, she's want of you know,

1472
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: the best female. I'm like, if you guys, man, she's

1473
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: one of the best managers. And that is still weird

1474
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: to hear. I mean, I don't know, it's weird to

1475
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, fortunately, you know a couple of

1476
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: our industry magazines do there's power player lists and all that,

1477
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: and and you know when that when you're on that,

1478
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: like you're like what what does what excuse me? Yeah?

1479
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: But I really don't think of it like that. I

1480
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: mean I really do. I know this is going to

1481
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: sound cheesy, but I swear to you I love every

1482
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: minute of this and I love what I do and

1483
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: I love I mean from nothing sounds cheesy right now,

1484
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to be but it truly is like

1485
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: from now when I got that internship and I did

1486
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: not leave Arista Records, like I still feel that way,

1487
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,799
Speaker 1: like every day, like if I'm not if I went't

1488
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: in class, I was trying to figure out to get

1489
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: down there and do work and learn something. And I

1490
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: really still feel that. I still get excited, like nothing is.

1491
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there's exciting moments like crazy milestones. You know,

1492
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 1: people play they opery and you watch, you know, you

1493
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: watch the joy of your clients in these moments and

1494
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 1: you're sharing in that and that those are overwhelming. You know,

1495
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: it really is. But I don't know that. I still

1496
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: get just as excited when someone comes and hands me

1497
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: a song that you know, like cold it with chilling it,

1498
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: Like I have a song I want you to hear

1499
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: by the way, Okay, I bet that's kind of That's

1500
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: the thing too, because I deal with that as well,

1501
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: where people are just trying to get you music in

1502
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: the most random of ways. But I love it. But

1503
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: there are times Okay, good, I'm glad you love it

1504
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: because it's great blah blah blah blah blah, when someone

1505
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: like gets in your personal like there will be times

1506
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: where all valuate my car and people will leave stuff

1507
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 1: in my car, Well, I'm not as famous as you.

1508
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: It's true in a different way, like if you're far

1509
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: more valuable in that lane than I am, if they do,

1510
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: you have a totally different reach to and you have

1511
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: a totally different strength. Okay, we're just gonna agree to

1512
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: disagree on this one. Um well, listen at Mike, how

1513
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: long have we done here? On? Almost an hour ten?

1514
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: We don't ever do them this song. I'm telling you

1515
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: this has been I was so loo I only I

1516
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 1: didn't even reach out to you personally because it's the

1517
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: whole dynamic for me and professional about Well, here's why,

1518
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: because I don't go to people that I know know

1519
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: and ask them to do anything professionally, because like that's

1520
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: a that's a different avenue. Like I would call you

1521
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, uh, we're in l A. What

1522
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: the hotel? You don't get somebo to eat? I would

1523
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: text you or like the greatest about you gave me

1524
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: a piece of life advice that you that I don't

1525
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: even know, that you don't even know the change in

1526
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: my life. You said you should go to Disney disney Land.

1527
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: We were we were after idle after I don't want

1528
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: and h since we worked for a see there's a

1529
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: hook up with Disneyland, and I had just gone yeah,

1530
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: and we we were together, and you were like you

1531
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: gotta go. And then when I heard you had never

1532
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: never been like, I wanted to take you right bit,

1533
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: and so of course you couldn't because you had to

1534
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: know the things to do. Like a week and a

1535
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: half later, I called and when I gave you the name,

1536
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: like the whole hook up, well, no, we we introduced you.

1537
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 1: That's right backstage on the press line, and you're like,

1538
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: this is the guy and you got to know this guy.

1539
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: And you were so adamant that it wasn't like I

1540
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: wasn't putting anyone out like You're like do You're like

1541
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: you're working for ABC. This this is even away from

1542
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: the guys. You're like, dude, just do it, Like this

1543
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: is the one thing. You're like, I know you don't

1544
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: want to just do it? And I did. It was awesome.

1545
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 1: I had to go do no lines. It was the

1546
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: greatest thing ever. It was feel ridiculous, but it's it's

1547
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: it's life changing to it. You feel ridiculous cutting line everyone,

1548
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: but you feel less ridiculous than you feel more relieved

1549
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 1: that you have white in line the whole time. Definitely,

1550
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: so definitely, and then you know that you've worked hard

1551
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: to get that relationship in some way, right, you know,

1552
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: I just have to understandable. I'll be honest with you.

1553
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: When I was going on Space Mountain, I was like,

1554
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: you know what, thank God for Carrie. Um. Well listen,

1555
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: I um, I am happy to see your success. It's

1556
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: it's it's And my point was I wouldn't ask you

1557
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: to do I don't know. I think I went to Mike,

1558
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: who did you? Who did you talk to to get

1559
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: to carry? How did you? How did you get asked

1560
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: to do this? My manager? Because I didn't want to

1561
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 1: reach It's like even now, I would say two years

1562
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: ago I would have been like, hey, Luke, come do

1563
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: the show. I won't do that now because I just

1564
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: feel like we're on a different level and I wouldn't

1565
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: watch my friends to do stuff for work. And you're

1566
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: also you know, like you said in the beginning, you

1567
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: have two roles in this town, in this life, so

1568
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: you also know what it's like to kind of not

1569
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: be put on the spot. And if any means that

1570
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: like that, but you know, it's it's good to have

1571
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 1: the buffer yeah, and that's why I didn't want to

1572
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: ask you. Just for the record, I don't think I've

1573
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: ever done someone's podcast, So that means I like you

1574
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: a lot, I appreciate it comfortable enough to come here.

1575
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I was okay, Sure, I was.

1576
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: I was excited that I was surprised and excited. They

1577
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: said yes, and I didn't make I went to Mike,

1578
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: who went to my manager Tom Lord, who went to you.

1579
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: So when it came all the way back, because that's

1580
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: what that does is gives you an opportunity to say

1581
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: no without because if I were like, hey, Carrie, come

1582
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: over to the house of the podcast if you don't

1583
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: want to do it, there's an awkward step in there.

1584
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: And it's not for everybody, you know, but it should be.

1585
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: This is a great podcast in general. People don't like

1586
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: to like you know, so I don't do I don't

1587
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: do it a lot, but we can kill and over

1588
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: an hour we did. Now didn't feel like we didn't

1589
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: even talk about all my clients. We didn't. We didn't.

1590
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: Who else do you want to mention? Who are the

1591
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: who are the young the young boys, young kids, Christian

1592
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: Clementing and Brady Clementing CB thirty. How am I getting

1593
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: old or they like nine? They are younger, but they

1594
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: are eighteen and fifteen. Okay, I'm getting older. So they are.

1595
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: But when I first signed him, they were twelve and

1596
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: they were Yeah. So we've been we've been grooming them

1597
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,759
Speaker 1: along the way. But they are now signed to Buena

1598
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: Vista Records, which is one of the Disney labels, go

1599
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: back to the Disney connection. Um. So, yeah, they just

1600
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: put out a song, Um, I think two weeks ago

1601
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: called that Moment When and we haven't really done like

1602
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: the official radio thing, but um, please go listen to it.

1603
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: It's fun. They've really they've grown a lot. So. And

1604
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: then Adam Curran you've had on the show before. Um,

1605
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: he's on Broken Bow and he I've played festivals Adam

1606
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 1: before too. He came up and he's played with us before. Yeah,

1607
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: yeah for that. Yeah. So he has a new song

1608
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: called um if You're Lucky and I love it. Have

1609
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: you heard this? You need to go listen. It's really fun.

1610
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play it right now. Actually perfect, not the

1611
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: whole thing because we'll get sued. I know, nothing sues

1612
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: us because we put a song on a podcast Nothing

1613
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: and so and I like I like Adam Craig a lot.

1614
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know, I didn't know what's what's what's the

1615
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: plan with Adam? Well, we just released this song, so,

1616
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: um we released that. We really released two at the

1617
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: same time, but this, this is the one that went

1618
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: to radio a few weeks ago. We love that releasing

1619
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: too at the same time too. I'm such a fan

1620
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: of put more out there. It's so hard to connect

1621
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: because you have ten thousand things coming in ten thousand directions.

1622
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: If you can get something that just somewhat kind of

1623
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: hit somebody you want and so the more music you

1624
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: put out there, and labels are getting more open to

1625
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: it now, so it's it's becoming a little more of

1626
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: the norm than it was, you know what a year ago. Um. So, yeah,

1627
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 1: they were real receptive. We put this out in another

1628
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: song called whatever You're Drinking Too. He had a new

1629
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: producer on this stuff. Um, so we're excited about it.

1630
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: He's I mean, honestly like this guy's voice. He's one

1631
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: of the best vocal performers like that I've ever heard.

1632
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: And definitely, you know, he's just he's just a good

1633
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: human being to so you want him to win, so

1634
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work hard. My final question is, I was

1635
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: watching um on Netflix? What's the public show called Mike Narcos?

1636
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: Was watching Arcos? Right? I haven't watched it? Okay, well

1637
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: you don't need to. But they have these money machines.

1638
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: They probably cashed it and it counts it. How many

1639
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: those you have at your house? Could? I'd be good?

1640
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: You are? No? No? I imagine that, like you walk

1641
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: over and it's like, it's just that is terrible. All right, listen,

1642
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: we'll end on that. UM, thank you for having me. No?

1643
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? This has been so fun for me.

1644
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: I guess I'm in shorts and slippers and maybe like

1645
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: one out of fifteen of these I get to do

1646
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: that to go eat some or something. Um, if you

1647
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: haven't heard of him, Luke Brian check them out. Probably

1648
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: have Cole Swindell. Maybe hadn't heard him either. UM. We

1649
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: just Adam Craig, John Langston and CB thirty. What's what's

1650
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: they stand for? By the way, it is the first

1651
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: and then short Christians and then Brody and then thirty.

1652
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: They were both both of their birthdays are on the

1653
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 1: thirtieth of a month, so you know it's hard to

1654
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: come up with a name for bands and creeps, but

1655
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: that's what we landed. Even for me have a stupid name, ever,

1656
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to come up with her name. Bobby Bone,

1657
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: the stupidest name ever. Um okay, episode one, Thank you, carry,

1658
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 1: thank you all right, see everybody next time. M hm

1659
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: hm