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Speaker 1: The pursuit of trying to become a professional fisherman is

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Speaker 1: maybe one of the hardest things an angler can do

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Speaker 1: in their lifetime. Whether it's becoming a bass Master Elite

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Speaker 1: or part of the BPT Tour with Major League Fishing,

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Speaker 1: the road to get there is filled with a lot

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Speaker 1: of challenges. It's even harder when you had a taste

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Speaker 1: of it. You were at the highest level and then

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Speaker 1: you were kicked off. Garrett Paquette joins us he's currently

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Speaker 1: going through the bass Master Opens to requalify to get

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Speaker 1: back up to the bass Master Elites. He's a phenomenal dude,

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Speaker 1: an incredible fisherman, and he has so much insight into

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Speaker 1: on lines and times. I'm Spencer, this is my buddy, Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Care. How's your season going so far?

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Speaker 3: It's okay. It's been a little up and down. We

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Speaker 3: fish three tournaments so far and the weather has been

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Speaker 3: absolutely insane for all of them. If you guys have

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Speaker 3: been watching the news at all. But we started in Texas.

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Speaker 3: I had a really good event. I finished second on

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Speaker 3: Sam Rayburn and then our second event was on Kentucky Lake.

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Speaker 3: I think I was like forty second, forty third somewhere

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Speaker 3: in there. Got one of the last checks, which was nice,

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Speaker 3: and then we just finished up in Arkansas Lake Norfolk,

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Speaker 3: where I bombed. To put it lightly, I finished one

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty third there.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 3: It was just you know, I could sit here and

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Speaker 3: make a ton of excuses, but generally have a great

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, let's be real. We've all talked about weather,

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Speaker 1: and I think most of us that have done any

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Speaker 1: the ideal conditions for three days of practice and then

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Speaker 1: roll into a four day tournament. So did weather play

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Speaker 3: Water on both So coming in, you know, we we

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Speaker 3: have three days of practice to come these lakes and

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Speaker 3: scout it. In my three days, I did not have

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Speaker 3: a great practice. I caught a bunch of fish, but

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Speaker 3: I never felt like I was on you know, tournament

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Speaker 3: winning size or even top ten size. I kind of knew,

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Speaker 3: which was fine. The first two tournaments were the exact

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Speaker 3: in the same boat. And I went out there day

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Speaker 3: kind of some stuff like that, which messed with my head.

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Speaker 3: But surprisingly the fish didn't really change a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: I actually went their Day one, caught a bunch of fish.

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Speaker 3: I'd probably call it twenty five keepers, which for me

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Speaker 3: you know, five to ten keepers on average. So I

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Speaker 3: Like my best five weighed under ten pounds, so those

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Speaker 3: So our second day of tournament fishing got canceled. So

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of stuck here. And it was going to

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Speaker 3: third day and one day canceled the third day, it's

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Speaker 3: just a one day tournament. So here I am. I

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Speaker 3: you know, that kind of finish. So it is what

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Speaker 3: I got to catch them every day. But I was

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Speaker 3: definitely excited because you know, I'm fairly experienced now, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm only thirty years old, but I've been

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Speaker 3: I kind of fell that was gonna be a good opportunity,

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Speaker 1: God, I had a tournament like that on Sante Cooper.

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Speaker 1: They canceled the final day, but I was so pumped

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Speaker 1: you exactly where you are in the standings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could be thinking, hey, I'm on some fish,

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Speaker 1: If you have a situation like that where you get

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Speaker 3: Run, you know, honestly, the way fishing is gone, you

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Speaker 3: already know coming into that event, and the same with

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Speaker 1: So do you plan to have a one day shootout

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Speaker 3: Ye. Now, you really can't play it safe honestly anymore.

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Speaker 3: You have to, or at least I don't. I'm fishing

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Speaker 3: to win these tournaments. I'm not fishing for You're not.

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Speaker 1: A points guy. You want to go out there and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I like points and I like checks, trust me.

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Speaker 3: But I just know if I go out there fishing

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Speaker 1: You brought up some really interesting when you were talking

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Speaker 1: You're not a twenty five to thirty five fish guy.

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Speaker 1: Is that why you chose to stay with bass instead

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Speaker 3: That's a big part of it. Yeah, Like I know,

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Speaker 3: I don't care if it's five eight, you know, ten

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Speaker 1: How is it watching them? Danielle'll let you jump in,

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Speaker 3: None of that actually affect how I view it. I like,

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Speaker 3: so when I watched tournaments a little different if I

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Speaker 3: if you had to ask me, you know, if I

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Speaker 3: would be more about catching fish, which is where I

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Speaker 3: think MLF has a big appeal, Like if you don't

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Speaker 3: Whereas I am out the point where I just want

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Speaker 3: and you know their process, why they're thinking about moving.

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Speaker 3: I think BASS does a little better job with that,

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Speaker 3: not as good as they used to. Honestly, they're starting

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Speaker 1: It is interesting just to see how the two kind

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Danielle, Yeah, Garret, where are you in points

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Speaker 3: I think I'm in the thirties somewhere and who.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what they take? I just for the people,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But I was kind of hoping to go

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Speaker 1: What happened to your time while you were on the Elites, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was just a combination of a lot

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Speaker 3: this forever. And then I ended that first year really poorly.

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Speaker 3: The final tournament was on Lake Saint Clair actually, which

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Speaker 3: And then the next year kind of started similarly, like

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Speaker 1: You think that's forward facing.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, bass Master for letting everybody know how

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Speaker 1: I mean, dude, I'm sitting here wearing a Masters shirt.

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Speaker 3: They need it. Yeah, like Saint Clair Shorts doesn't need it,

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Speaker 3: actually broke down every top ten for like the last

434
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Speaker 3: ten years on the Elite series. So I had like

435
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,480
Speaker 3: a calculation of, you know, this percent of time that

436
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,639
Speaker 3: flipping makes a top ten drop shotting. So I kind

437
00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:57,199
Speaker 3: of knew going into this when I was young. Yeah,

438
00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,720
Speaker 3: I uh, my little background is large mouth.

439
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,400
Speaker 1: So not to not to sound like rude or anything

440
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,360
Speaker 1: like that, but are you kind of a nerd when

441
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 1: it comes to fishing? Then I would say, yeah, like

442
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,800
Speaker 1: you get like you dial into every little nuance and

443
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:13,760
Speaker 1: try to figure it out.

444
00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. Yeah, I mean you got to kind

445
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 3: of like, you know, take it the next step. And

446
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,879
Speaker 3: obviously life scope and the way fishing has changed is

447
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 3: kind of blown a lot of that apart. But you know,

448
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,720
Speaker 3: I could tell you, you know, in twenty ten or

449
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,000
Speaker 3: in that, in that group, but there was you know,

450
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,879
Speaker 3: you could almost make a top ten on doing anything,

451
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,679
Speaker 3: but if it was a slight fishing or alleged tournament,

452
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 3: ninety five percent of the top tens either came slight

453
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 3: fishing or ledge fishing. So like there was certain little

454
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,120
Speaker 3: categories that you had to be good at to survive.

455
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,199
Speaker 3: So I focus on that hard coming up. So for me,

456
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 3: I in Michigan, you think a big small mouth and

457
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 3: all this, but ninety five percent of the water around

458
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,159
Speaker 3: here is actually large mouth fishing a lot of inland lakes,

459
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,399
Speaker 3: little rivers, reservoirs. So I have a really good base

460
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 3: in large mouth, you know, probably more than small moth.

461
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,240
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm catching up with a small mouth.

462
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, you gotta I mean you're gonn to do this, like, yeah,

463
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 3: you gotta fish your strengths. You gotta fish, you know,

464
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 3: you got to fish away that you feel like, you

465
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 3: know you can win at or you feel comfortable doing.

466
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean only be good at one thing.

467
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to be incredibly versatile to be

468
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 3: out here. But when you get on the water, like

469
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 3: it's it's hard to explain. There's little things that just click.

470
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 3: You know, you put your boat and you're like, man,

471
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 3: this looks like something I can do well. Chatterbating, you know,

472
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 3: And if you get those feelings and you feel comfortable

473
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 3: with it, you know, go try to do it, and

474
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 3: you know, try to push it a little harder. And

475
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 3: if you could figure that stuff out, that's how you

476
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 3: have or that's how you have those good finishes.

477
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Speaker 1: Are you a Frankensteiner somebody who takes baits but then

478
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 1: messes with them to change them up a little bit?

479
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 3: Not really, No, I used to be, but I've learned

480
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 3: location is king the you know the baits are they

481
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 3: make very minimal difference at the end of the game.

482
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Speaker 2: That's interesting, hm, Daniel, Like you, who are you? You're

483
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: traveling with Chris right now? Tell us a little bit

484
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Speaker 2: about that. Who's doing all the cooking and the uh

485
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: on the road. I know you're getting a little bit

486
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 2: into cooking. Last time we spoke.

487
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we have a.

488
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 3: Pretty good system. I've traveled. This will be my second

489
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 3: full year traveling with Chris Hallibuck, maybe even like two

490
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: and a half years, and we got a pretty good

491
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 3: little team. But yeah, I do all the cooking. I'm

492
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 3: a big fan of that. Just uh, it's just so

493
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 3: much easier for us on the road. You feel better,

494
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 3: you know, eating eating good things, and you save a

495
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 3: bunch of time, bunch of money. But I do all

496
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Speaker 3: the cooking. He does all the cleaning, so I'll take it.

497
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Speaker 1: What grade do you give Chris Hallibuck?

498
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 3: And his cleaning actually pretty good. I'd probably get him

499
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 3: like a seven or eighties, like super organized, much more

500
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 3: than me. So he likes it a little cleaner than

501
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 3: I even would deal with.

502
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Speaker 1: Would you say he's would you say he's like type

503
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 1: a OCD type where he's got things very specific how

504
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 1: he wants it, or I.

505
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 3: Think so, Like I've seen him full laundry and it's

506
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: pretty intense. He's got all his shirts like rolled up

507
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: in little rolls and stuff.

508
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: How do you do your clothes? Then you just throw

509
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: it in a bang.

510
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 3: I just kind of get them in a square and

511
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: stuff them in there.

512
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: It is so funny. When you start traveling with people,

513
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 1: you start to really notice how different their tendencies are.

514
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: Like the guys that I traveled the Toyota series with

515
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: when we went down South, one of them finally got

516
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: on a c PAP because he saw how much it

517
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: helped me. But that dude's sort of like a freight train.

518
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: And most nights we would wake up because somebody in

519
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 1: the room would be chucking a shoe over at them

520
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: to hit him, to try to get them to stop snoring. Yeah,

521
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: I'm not running with this SNAr No, Like it's terrible.

522
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: That's why you want to do that, all right. So

523
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: this year on the Opens, you're feeling really good. What

524
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: tournament do you feel like you have to put your

525
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: foot on the gas and really pick up a couple spots.

526
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 3: Well, once we get to the EQS, it'll be all in,

527
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 3: the guess. So the biggest deal with these first four

528
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 3: tournaments is you got to make the top fifty and

529
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 3: then then the top fIF get into the three tournament

530
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 3: series called the EQS, and we'll qualify from the Elite

531
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 3: Series out of there, the top.

532
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: Ten out of that, you like this set up.

533
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: I don't love the setup now. I'd rather have the

534
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: nine tournaments like before. I'd rather have, you know, the

535
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: more chances. I feel like, sure, I feel like you

536
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 3: look at the last three rookie classes. I think that

537
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 3: speaks for itself on what the nine tournaments brings into

538
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: the Elite Series. I think before that, when you had

539
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: three tournament series is a lot of guys got in

540
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: that were good, and a lot of guys got in

541
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: that you know, maybe got lucky and one had one

542
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 3: on their home like and you know survived one. So

543
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 3: I like the more tournaments. But now that first one

544
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 3: on Champlain will be, uh, it'll be really critical. It'll

545
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: be our biggest feel most likely. So the bigger the field,

546
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: the higher you gotta get. So if there's one hundred

547
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: and forty guys on Champlain and you get tenth place,

548
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: it goes along a lot longer or a lot further

549
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 3: than if you get tenth place on Okachobe when we

550
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: might be down to seventy eighty guys.

551
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: You feel like your personality changes when or will change

552
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: when you know that you're in the eqs compared to

553
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: right now, which kind of gets you just geared up

554
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: for it. Now you're just as.

555
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 3: Intense I change. Yeah, I don't care if it's a

556
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: Tuesday night tournament or a Bass Open or the Classic.

557
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 3: I have the same approach towards it.

558
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: Daniel, you fished in the back of Garrett's boat. What

559
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: type of competitor is he? In your mind?

560
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: Like?

561
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: How is he at the front of the boat?

562
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: So, I actually Garrett is probably one of the most

563
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: dialed fishermen I've ever met.

564
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: What do you mean dialed for?

565
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: And Garrett, to be honest, you probably are one of

566
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: the most. You pay attention to every little detail and

567
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: you just seem to know what's always going on, which

568
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: is really impressive. And I kind of want to know

569
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: who got you into this fishing mindset. Does anybody else

570
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: in your family fish? We never really talked about that.

571
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: Did you just learn this all by yourself? Did you

572
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: just tell us a little bit more about that?

573
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

574
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: So I grew up. My dad is really big and

575
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: it's salmon lake trout trolling on Lake here on like

576
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 3: he would be, you know, I mean, arguably like one

577
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: of the best ever on the Great lakes. So he's

578
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: won a lot of tournaments. So I've I've always and

579
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 3: I've grew and I grew up doing that, and just

580
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: as a young kid, I was too too high strung

581
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 3: to sit there and trol. So we would go out

582
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: trolling and then we'd come in and as like I

583
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: just wanted to catch fish. I go bluegill fish and

584
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: bass fishing whatever I could catch. And once I started

585
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 3: catching bass, I was like, man, this is uh, this

586
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: is what I want to do, you know, the way

587
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: they hit the lures and jump and all that. But

588
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: so I've always been exposed to fishing. We come from

589
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 3: a super competitive family. I've had a lot of support

590
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: from my parents and kind of grew up playing fairly

591
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: high level hockey, so we've always had you know, I've

592
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 3: just always kind of mixed uh, you know, competitiveness with

593
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: a passion I have towards bass fishing. I think that's,

594
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: you know, kind of worked for me.

595
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: Where's the competitive nature is that? You being a younger brother,

596
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: older brother, no siblings, no.

597
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: No siblings, Just so who would you compete against?

598
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: Would you compete against your father?

599
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 3: Anybody? I mean, I don't care if it's chest, I mean,

600
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: I don't care if it's a phone game, Like I

601
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: just like, uh, I just like winning.

602
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: You know, does that come from your dad then? Like

603
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: if you're an only child, I have a brother, Yeah,

604
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: my brother and I we have sibling rivalries left and right.

605
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would say that's uh my mom is

606
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: really competitive too, but yeah, probably my dad.

607
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: How is your how's your mom competitive?

608
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: She's just like genius so so she I like that,

609
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: just like a trivia nerd.

610
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: So like when you were little, you guys would play

611
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: board games. What was the most intense your mom ever

612
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: got during a game?

613
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: You would never know it. You would never know. She's

614
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: like super calm, very shy, quiet, so but she'd always win,

615
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: you know, like you just he just has like a

616
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: very sneaky intelligence. But uh now, the biggest thing was

617
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: probably hockey. I mean we grew up playing hockey, playing

618
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: a lot of big games and you know, wanting to win.

619
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: And I think coming into fishing it makes it worse

620
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 3: because you know, I grew up playing sixty five seventy

621
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: games a year when I'd lose five of them. You

622
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: play for state championships stuff like that all the time,

623
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: and then you come into fishing, and you know, the

624
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: best ever wins eight percent of the tournament. So you

625
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: come in here and you know it's hard to win

626
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: these tournaments. It's just like it's so frustrating. You just

627
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: want to do anything you can to try to get one.

628
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: People rarely talk about that. They rarely talk about how

629
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: you're considered an elite, you're considered one of the best

630
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: of all time.

631
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: Winning percent.

632
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: But that's the point, Like, you know, I saw stats

633
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: the other day. Tiger Woods has won eighty two PGA

634
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: Tour events. It's one of the most, maybe the most.

635
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: KVD is known as the greatest, and you look at

636
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: his wins and you're like, dang, out of that many tournaments,

637
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: that many years too. Yeah, So does that mess with

638
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: you a little bit? Like we all know guys that

639
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: go out there and they're like, they don't win, They're

640
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: to sell the boat, sell their rods, sell their gear,

641
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: and then the next Saturday they're back out on the

642
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: water trying to win.

643
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, mess with me a lot, And not as bad

644
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 3: as it used to, because I've kind of learned like, hey,

645
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: this is the reality. Like, you know, a lot of

646
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: good guys won't even win, right They won't even win

647
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 3: a national tournament a lot of good anglers, so it's

648
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 3: changed some. But yeah, it's uh, when you're so used

649
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 3: to winning it a lot of things and then you

650
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: come here, it's a it's very frustrating.

651
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: So this is actually how Garrett and I met. So

652
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: I drew Garrett. Uh was it day one or it

653
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: was day one, right, Garrett? Yeah? Day one? I drew great.

654
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: Day one. We went out and I had like, well,

655
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: it must have been like a five and a half

656
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: small mouth like jump off right next to the boat,

657
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: and it was just I mean, it would have been

658
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: a peb.

659
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: It was a legit PB, especially for auth I'm sure.

660
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 2: During a tournament too.

661
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: And then uh, and it was not an easy day

662
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: for you.

663
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.

664
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: It wasn't. I think I only had and yeah, and

665
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: then and then Garrett brought me to another spot because

666
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: he had already had his five. This is how nice

667
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: and stand up of a guy, Garrett is I only

668
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: had one. No, I had two fish, and I had

669
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: lost that five and a half pounder, and he was like, oh, dude,

670
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: well we'll stop at this one spot so you can

671
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: make this one cast on this one area and he

672
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: was like, all right, he lined me up with the

673
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: spot and everything like that, and instead of him making

674
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: the cast during a tournament, there could have been a

675
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: six pounder there. You know what I mean, He's like,

676
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: toss over there. I freaking launched my freaking tube over there,

677
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: hooked up, and it freaking pulled off right next to

678
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: the boat. But still, dude, like, how nice of a

679
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: guy freaking let me throw onto a spot, take his

680
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: time out of his day and run all the way

681
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: over there for me to catch for garrel?

682
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: Why did you decide to give him that opportunity?

683
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: Well, one, it was on the way to another spot.

684
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: But no, he was a good dude. And uh, you know,

685
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: I know you had two fish, and you know I

686
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: had a spot where I was pretty confident, you know,

687
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: hooked one pretty quick.

688
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: That's when you backboted him. When he got over there,

689
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: you were like, all right, well I gave you a shot,

690
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: you screwed it up.

691
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: So that was what I But no, I wanted to one.

692
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: I'm not the guy that's out there like screw the

693
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: co anglers. I don't want him to catch my fish.

694
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying I'll hurt my tournament. Time, but

695
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: I love when everyone's catching fish. So and he was

696
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: having a He wasn't having a bad day. He was

697
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: just having like an unfortunate day. So I was like, man,

698
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: I know, and I knew he was fishing all of them,

699
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: and I knew he had goals of you know, trying

700
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: to win the Ang of the Year and get into

701
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: the top ten and all that. So I was like, man,

702
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: this third fish would go a long ways, and I

703
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: knew that where I was going after that, that it

704
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 3: was going to be really hard for him to catch one.

705
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: So I was like, you know what, ten minutes on

706
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: the spot, I'm gonna have two and a half hours

707
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: to fish after this, you know, not a big deal.

708
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: So try to get him that one. And it didn't

709
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: work out. But that's how fishing is sometimes.

710
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: In a couple of the Toyota series that I've had,

711
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: like I think as a co angler, it's always fun

712
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: when you can beat the boater, like the guys just

713
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: take pride in that. There were a lot lot of

714
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: guys that I fished with where I don't know anything

715
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: about them right, Like I could look up their stats,

716
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: but I'm still like, I don't know who this guy

717
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: is and I fished with this one guy in Santee

718
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: Cooper and he didn't have a fish all day, and

719
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: I had two solid fish, and I think both of

720
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: them were three and a half four pounds. And for

721
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: the last hour and a half of the tournament, he goes,

722
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: let's just go and try to catch you one more

723
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: because if you get that third fish, you're going to

724
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: be in a good spot with a check. And I'm

725
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: pretty much dead in the water. And it was a

726
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: two day deal. That's rare. So he took me to

727
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: this spot where he said he was whacking them, and

728
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: I threw this little speedworm out there and all of

729
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: a sudden, I hook up and I got another three pounder.

730
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: We get that in the boat. I'm sitting pretty The

731
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: next day, I was supposed to fish with a guy

732
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: that was a guide. He was second in the tournament.

733
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: He talked to me on the phone. He's like, I'll

734
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: tell you exactly what I'm doing, exactly where I'm going,

735
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: and we are going to straight whack them. They called

736
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: the tournament for weather. I never got to fish. And

737
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: then the next day, what happened with the weather. It

738
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: was beautiful, There wasn't a cloud in the sky. There

739
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: was no wind.

740
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: Oh.

741
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: I was so pissed. I called the guy to go,

742
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: I know we're not fishing in the tournament. Do you

743
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: want to go fish today? He's like, I'm or I

744
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: am a way back home. Yeah.

745
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: When Garrett saw that five and a half realistically, because

746
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: he didn't even really know me, He's.

747
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: Like, dude, you just stole my fish.

748
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: No, I remember I called that. We ran out to

749
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: that area and I was like, man, I don't know

750
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: if we're gonna catch anything here, but uh, if we do,

751
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: it's gonna it's gonna be good. And I think we

752
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: had uh five five pound bites there. I had two,

753
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: I lost two. He had one, probably the biggest one.

754
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: And uh, how do you know that though? As somebody

755
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: who looks for fish, how do you know that that

756
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: area is gonna produce fish of that quality?

757
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

758
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: I went out there. Uh well, I found that area

759
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: in practice. This is I'm saying Claire my home, like,

760
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: never never fish there, never even fish closest area. And

761
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: I went out there in practice and I think I

762
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: uh I caught three or four, but it was like

763
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: I pulled up I caught a four twelve before fourteen,

764
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: a five to four in like a three and a half,

765
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: and I knew it was a pretty special area. It

766
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: actually the spot completely fizzled out during the tournament, but

767
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: it was when you see that kind of quality out there,

768
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: you just know that they're all big ones for the

769
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: most part. So I knew. I knew it was a

770
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 3: winning area. Just never held up.

771
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: But are you the type of guy that sets the

772
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: hook but the day before the tournament, like you don't.

773
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: You'll you'll bust the barbs off and you're just trying

774
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: to lift them just to see what kind of weight

775
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: you got.

776
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: It depends like out there, with there being so many fish,

777
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: I like to catch a few and then if I

778
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: want to go through and see how good it really is,

779
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: like I'll, you know, throw a bait without a hook

780
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But I'd say I'm probably more

781
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: on the less conservative side of hooking fish, Like I

782
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: I stick a few fish, for sure. I don't think that.

783
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: I think anglers we think we're better than we are

784
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: and we think, oh man, if I go catch this

785
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: one fish, it's I'm done. I'll ever catch other one here.

786
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: But there's usually a lot more there than you think Now,

787
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: if you're going to go fish like under docks and laydowns,

788
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: that's definitely you know, as the term gets closer, I'm

789
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: probably shaking off those fish.

790
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: But have you gone back to that spot caret.

791
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: You have to. I went there yes day two, never

792
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: saw fish.

793
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: No, I mean, have you gone back to that spot

794
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: since the tournament since when we.

795
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: Fished thirty No?

796
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: I haven't. No, I haven't. In the middle of I can.

797
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: Tell you, Garrett that if if your buddy Daniel goes

798
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: out to Gunnersville, you could ask me that size water.

799
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: If they said, where's Daniel right now, I go, I

800
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: know exactly where, and I will point right to a map,

801
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: because he and I went to this spot where we

802
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: straight whacked him. Yeah, whacked them. Yeah, it was fun

803
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: like that was the day where we pulled up just

804
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: on a hunch and we started casting and all of

805
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: a sudden we found this one little pot of hydrilla

806
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: and it was it was holding absolute tanks. And then

807
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: I had a tournament the next weekend with the ABT

808
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: and I said to him, I go, I have got

809
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: to go back to that spot. And our second cast

810
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: we caught a six point sixty six and once we

811
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: did that. I looked at my buddy and I was like,

812
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: we're not leaving, and he's like, well, I don't know,

813
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: and I said, we are not leaving. I know what

814
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: lives here. And we ended up getting I think eighteen

815
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: pounds off of that spot. Yeah, it was. It was insane.

816
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Since we've talked about a fish that obviously Daniel remembers

817
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: and you remember is a big one. What's the one

818
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: fish that got away that haunts you?

819
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: Ooh, there's a lot of those.

820
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: My most recent one is that six pounder on Neally.

821
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: That's that's the one that hurts me the most.

822
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would, you would almost won.

823
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: Probably, Uh, I don't know, so I can't. I'll do two.

824
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: I got sucking in a Toyota series on Lake of

825
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: the Ozar because I came in with four fish one

826
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 3: day and I lost it three and a half, which

827
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: would have filled my limits. I'd have won that term

828
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: that's up there, but I did lose it.

829
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: So that was That was an eighty thousand dollars fish whatever.

830
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: Forty fifty isn't that crazy when you look at when

831
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: you look at fish that you lose and you're like

832
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: that one would have cost me fifty.

833
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there was one on the James River. Actually

834
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: the same year I got fourth on the James River,

835
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: and in practice I call it the six pounder. Way

836
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: up this creek, almost in no water, and I remember

837
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: my frog, I almost like bank shot. I hit the bank,

838
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: it bounced in the water. The minute it bounced in,

839
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: this fish sucked it in. Six pounder, absolute giant. And

840
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: this would have been like Tuesday or Wednesday, and now

841
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: I'm on Saturday, I'm on the final day of the term.

842
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: I was like, I gotta go back to that spot

843
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: by catch that fish. I'm gonna win. I started their

844
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: first thing in the morning, went all the way up

845
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: this creek, same cast, bounced it off the shore, frog

846
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: bounced in the water, exact same style of bite. Everything set,

847
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: the hook broke, fifty pound braid. Oh god, six pounder.

848
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: First thing in the morning. I lost by three pounds maybe,

849
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: which I had like a one pounder, so that that

850
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: would have done it. That'd have been the open.

851
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: One buddy of mine is Joseph Webster. He's fishing in

852
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: the MLF Invitationals today and last year on the MPFL.

853
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: He I think this is their last tournament of the

854
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: year he hooked a fish and it came off and

855
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: he lost by two ounces, and he goes, that was

856
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: an eighty thousand dollars fish. Eighty grand Oh my god.

857
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: That's what a lot of people don't realize, Like how

858
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: tight the game is. That's happening from first to second

859
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: or first to fifth place. I mean, it's just the

860
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: same as thirtieth to one hundred and tenth place. You know,

861
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: that's what that one fish does. You know, you go

862
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: out there and you see a guy, Oh man, this

863
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: guy finish one hundred and twenty if he sucks, if

864
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: he lost a three pounder, he'd have been seventieth place.

865
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: You know, like it is so tight anymore. That that's

866
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: how everyone you know, that's how the tournaments are now.

867
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: It's just I mean, I just unbelievable how tight this

868
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: game has gotten.

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Speaker 1: Look at look at them asters. Rory won four point

870
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: two million. The guy who finished fiftieth and made the

871
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: cut got forty eight and a half.

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00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?

873
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: Forty eight and a half. So one caddy for Rory

874
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: makes four hundred and twenty thousand dollars, he gets ten percent,

875
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: and then the guy that finished fiftieth, he pays his

876
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: caddy four eight hundred and fifty bucks.

877
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: He first four million to two million, four million to.

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00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: Two million, and then Scheffler was fourth and he got

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00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: one hundred. He got one million, and then from there

880
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: everybody drops even down. I mean, that's what people don't realize.

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00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: Like everybody thinks, Oh, you're just going out there to

882
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: fish a tournament. You're gonna go out and try to win. Yeah,

883
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: because the difference of one hundred grand and twenty grand

884
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: for second place, there's a lot of room there. And

885
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: you start going back and counting the mistakes that you made,

886
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: and you sit there and you go, what was I

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00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: going to do? Sometimes you don't even make the mistake.

888
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: The fish just got the hook wrong, or you know,

889
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: with skin hooked and just barely cat. I mean the

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Speaker 1: one I had at Nealy, I will I will have

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00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: that burned in my mind for a long time until

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Speaker 1: I go back to Neely this weekend and get that

893
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: fish again, which I probably won't, but I'll look, I'll try.

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Speaker 2: Don't go to that dark place, Spencer

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Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, yes, place, bad place to be, all right, Garrett,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you, dude, all right, see you