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Speaker 3: Good morning, Hi, yep, yep, hey var Hi guys, Somber

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Speaker 3: Somber morning, Mixed Emotions. You know you want to see

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Speaker 3: excitement for your program. You want to see your program

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Speaker 3: have success. And everybody knows it's out there now, it's

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Speaker 3: send the news, It's made its rounds. Everybody's talking about it.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Coach Franklin was let go. I get it, I get

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Speaker 3: I get It's a big conversation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you what else is big? That

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Speaker 2: forty nine million he's getting to walk away second biggest

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Speaker 3: How about that? So what is y'all? What are y'all's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think you know how I feel

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Speaker 6: like I was the Oregon game. I mean, what's wild

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Speaker 6: They maybe I don't know, number one in the country,

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Speaker 6: But I think what flies under the radar when we

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Speaker 6: They just drum Michigan State in East Lansing. You know,

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Speaker 2: My thought was LeVar was right. I think that you

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Speaker 4: I think all of those things are.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I'll talk to you guys offline.

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Speaker 4: So just the reality of it, now, are you.

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Speaker 5: I have to ask this question? Was I can't?

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Speaker 6: I can't honestly think of another situation that was kind

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Speaker 3: I just call it out, was a bigger flop.

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Speaker 6: It's it's pretty wild when you really think back to

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Speaker 3: I mean like literally, like you ended the game with

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Speaker 5: He lose the game, he got smoked.

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Speaker 8: By the way, By the way, you guys are right.

438
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Speaker 8: I turned yesterday. Somebody somebody said, oh James Franklin got fired.

439
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Speaker 8: Im good. You can take two million of the shift

440
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Speaker 8: million and go put it in a room and then

441
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Speaker 8: dive in it. That's what I would do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't lose, he just lost. Yeah, you know,

443
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Speaker 3: but it was a good track, Pete, great tray.

444
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Speaker 4: How did they know? How did your team do yesterday?

445
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Speaker 8: They stink? They stink. They got blown, they got physically

446
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 8: they got physically malled, and their quarterback didn't show up

447
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 8: because they got hurt. But you know what, even if

448
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Speaker 8: he had played, they still would have gotten malled. They're

449
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Speaker 8: not good. They're not They're not big enough. They're not

450
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Speaker 8: physically big enough. And by the way, Texas techle rock

451
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Speaker 8: them this week.

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Speaker 6: Well, I was going to say we actually were potentially

453
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Speaker 6: going to be out in Tempe for the College Football Show,

454
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Speaker 6: our big new kickoff, But because of that loss, I

455
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Speaker 6: think they thought that's maybe not a good sign, could

456
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Speaker 6: be a bad deal going out there, So we're going elsewhere.

457
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Speaker 6: But I want to know we were trying to make

458
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Speaker 6: our way to Temple. I was looking forward to it, Pete,

459
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Speaker 6: I be great. We're going to Provo. So b Yu

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Speaker 6: Utah Top twenty five matchups obviously change b YU undefeated.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, b Yu byu rallied against Arizona the other night.

462
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Speaker 8: They won that. So look, look as U is what

463
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Speaker 8: they are, Penn State is what they are, and probably

464
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Speaker 8: just you know who they are. I mean, there's the

465
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Speaker 8: problem with college football is I don't think there are

466
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Speaker 8: any great teams.

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Speaker 4: Ohio State, We'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'll tell you what Brady Texas Tech is

469
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Speaker 8: damn good. I mean that they are proof that you

470
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Speaker 8: can go out and buy whatever you need to doing

471
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Speaker 8: you can win in college football. Right.

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, but the quarterback got hurt, so we'll see

473
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Speaker 6: how that impacts them moving forward. And they lost their

474
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Speaker 6: d tackle too. I don't know how long if he's

475
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Speaker 6: out for the season or what the deal is. So

476
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Speaker 6: one of those players you're referring to that got bought

477
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Speaker 6: is no longer.

478
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Speaker 4: Going to be there.

479
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Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean that's what college football isn't nowadays, right.

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Speaker 5: So how is that any different from the NFL PE?

481
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Speaker 5: What's free agency?

482
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Speaker 8: What they Well, they have a cap and yeah, and

483
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Speaker 8: there's a.

484
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Speaker 6: Cap too, that's called the house NCA settlement, so they

485
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Speaker 6: roughly can try of figure out how much they want

486
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Speaker 6: to allocate, you know, towards the roster. In that regard,

487
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 6: if there's collective involvement, there has to be. But even

488
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Speaker 6: that's been subject to scrutiny because of the CSC and

489
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Speaker 6: all that.

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Speaker 8: So there's kind of like a solid do you get

491
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Speaker 8: a four year If you get a four year contract,

492
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Speaker 8: you're bound to it by four years and unless the

493
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Speaker 8: team releases, you're correct, and college football you can go

494
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Speaker 8: jumping for wherever you want to.

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Speaker 5: Well, they make these kids sign contracts too, now.

496
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Speaker 8: But Brady, can't they transfer every other year every year

497
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Speaker 8: if they want to.

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Speaker 5: They could, but they would not get the monies that

499
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Speaker 5: are in that contract.

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Speaker 8: So like what you're saying is they go somewhere else

501
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Speaker 8: and get the money.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, but that's then how the setup is. If

503
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Speaker 6: they sign a two to three or four you do

504
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Speaker 6: base Pete. By the way, eighty percent of the NFL's

505
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Speaker 6: on one year contracts.

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Speaker 8: No, I get that, Brady, But the bottom line is

507
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Speaker 8: you can't if you can't just jump from team to

508
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Speaker 8: team like you can in college football, can You're not?

509
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Speaker 9: No.

510
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Speaker 6: But someone will say that's actually more player empowerment, Like

511
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Speaker 6: that's actually better for the players. Now, you don't talk

512
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Speaker 6: from that perspective because you hate players and you like

513
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Speaker 6: to talk from. Hang, Petere Prisco, I'm part of the ownership.

514
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 6: I don't these guys. These guys grow on trees. These

515
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Speaker 6: running backs grow on.

516
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Speaker 4: All be playing, on all be playing.

517
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Speaker 8: And I was right.

518
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Speaker 6: So Petere Prisco, I relate better to billionaires than millionaires.

519
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 8: That's not true. That's not true. Not true.

520
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Speaker 5: One for you.

521
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Speaker 4: Beg in sensitive.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Pete, I got one for you. Are the Jets

523
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Speaker 2: even worse than you thought?

524
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Speaker 8: Yes, yes they are. I mean when you think Aaron Glenn,

525
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Speaker 8: who is a former player and has a, you know,

526
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Speaker 8: an attitude about him and a fightiness about him, would

527
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Speaker 8: go in and still a toughness on the defense, right,

528
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Speaker 8: you figured at least that, Well, they don't tackle very well,

529
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Speaker 8: and they did play better yesterday on defense. I'll give

530
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Speaker 8: him that. Offensively, we went into the season thinking what

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Speaker 8: we saw on Sunday is what we've seen most of

532
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Speaker 8: the season. They're not good on offense, but they put

533
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Speaker 8: a lot of assets into an offensive line that allowed

534
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Speaker 8: their quarterback to get sacked nine times on Sunday nine.

535
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Speaker 8: And then at the end of the half, what in

536
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Speaker 8: the hell is that man doing? They fake a punt

537
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Speaker 8: on fourth down to get a first down. Okay, at

538
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Speaker 8: the end of the half, Well, why don't you go

539
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 8: from there to try and get something? He does nothing

540
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 8: and allows the clock to run out, and he's getting

541
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Speaker 8: yelled out by his players. So I wonder, you know,

542
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Speaker 8: sometimes you're a coordinator, sometimes you don't know if the

543
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Speaker 8: guy's a head coach, Aaron Glenn has to learn how

544
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Speaker 8: to be a head coach. You have to be involved

545
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Speaker 8: in game management to the point where you understand the

546
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Speaker 8: mechanism of the clock management and the understanding of.

547
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Speaker 1: What you do.

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Speaker 8: Why would you fake that field goal if you're not

549
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Speaker 8: going to go from there? What's the rationale? You didn't

550
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 8: want to give him the ball back? What does that mean?

551
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Speaker 8: I don't get it. So I just think that, yeah,

552
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 8: they're a mess, and they're a disaster, and they have

553
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Speaker 8: guys that haven't played close to expectations, and I think

554
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Speaker 8: it's all reflection of the entire process. But I think

555
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Speaker 8: it's a reflection of the coach. Now. Having said all that,

556
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Speaker 8: he doesn't deserve to be fired. Right now, people are

557
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Speaker 8: saying that, give me a break, let's play out the

558
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 8: season and see how this thing goes. But the reality is,

559
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Speaker 8: right now, it's if you had to grade the Jets

560
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Speaker 8: and the coaching and everything that goes into it. It's

561
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Speaker 8: a big, giant, fat ass.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk about a team that maybe is exceeding our expectations,

563
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Speaker 6: and that's the Pittsburgh Steelers, the best team in the

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Speaker 6: AFC North.

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Speaker 5: They look to be a team that might be the

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Speaker 5: third best team in the AFC? Is that fair to say, Pete?

567
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Speaker 8: Do we know? Do we know? I mean that's the

568
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Speaker 8: thing about when we talked about this last night. Do

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Speaker 8: we know if the Colts and or the Steelers are

570
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Speaker 8: any good yet? I mean, if you really.

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Speaker 6: Say that though, dude, like the Colts might be, they

572
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Speaker 6: shoul probably should be undefeated if you really think about it.

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Speaker 8: Okay, and I'm gonna go through the Colts schedule. Beat

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Speaker 8: the beat the Dolphins who are dreadful, Beat the Titans

575
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Speaker 8: who are dreadful. Beat the Raiders who are dreadful. Now okay.

576
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Speaker 8: Then they beat the Cardinals without their starting quarterback. Now,

577
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Speaker 8: the other guy might out play them yesterday, but he

578
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Speaker 8: still beat them without their starting quarterback and the wide

579
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Speaker 8: receiver went out in the first quarter.

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Speaker 5: They beat a Broncos team that I think you would

581
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Speaker 5: would would agree is better.

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Speaker 8: Than the Broncos can't score. I mean, the Broncos have

583
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Speaker 8: offensive issues right now, and then they and then they

584
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Speaker 8: lost the Rams in the game they probably in a

585
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Speaker 8: game they probably should have won. But so you flip

586
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Speaker 8: those games, but we really don't know. Then you go

587
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Speaker 8: to the Steelers. Do we know how good they are?

588
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 8: Look at their schedule? What they beat, the Jets, the Browns.

589
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Speaker 8: Who's the other one they beat?

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Speaker 5: I mean they Here's here's the general point. Pete is like,

591
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Speaker 5: who's good?

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Speaker 6: Then the AFC, because you've got Buffalo, You've got Indie,

593
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Speaker 6: and you'd say case.

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Speaker 5: But the records, so like like who are you like

595
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Speaker 5: hanging your hat on?

596
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Speaker 4: Who is good?

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Speaker 8: That's that's part of the problem is I don't think

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Speaker 8: we know if anybody's any good. I say it every

599
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Speaker 8: time this year. Is anybody any good? We'll know more

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Speaker 8: about it. Indy goes to the play the Chargers next

601
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Speaker 8: week at the Chargers. That's gonna be a tough game.

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Speaker 8: They win that game, we'll start believing in them a

603
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Speaker 8: little bit. Okay, the Steelers are gonna I mean, unless

604
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Speaker 8: Lamar Jackson can come back and be Lamar Jackson, they're

605
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Speaker 8: gonna run away with that division. I mean, if Lamar

606
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Speaker 8: Jackson has a ham and you guys know better than

607
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Speaker 8: me because you played, you played in the league. If

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Speaker 8: you have a hamstring injury and Mike Evans always comes

609
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Speaker 8: back from hamstring injuries and re injures them, can you

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Speaker 8: be the same guy three weeks.

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Speaker 4: Out three weeks out from Uh? It just depends on

612
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Speaker 4: how serious the hamstring injury.

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Speaker 8: One. It's one that made them miss two games already,

614
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Speaker 8: so it's probably pretty serious, right.

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Speaker 3: It depends, because a really serious hamstring injury, you're talking months,

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Speaker 3: like it takes a real like you can't even barely

617
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Speaker 3: hardly walk when you have a quad pool or a

618
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Speaker 3: hamstring pool. So it might not be as crazy bad

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Speaker 3: as it may seem, even though he's missing time. Two

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Speaker 3: weeks time isn't a crazy amount of time for a

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Speaker 3: hamstring injury if it isn't a serious one. So if

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Speaker 3: he's coming back, if he's making an attempt to come

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Speaker 3: back right now and it's been like less than a month,

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Speaker 3: I would say it's not as severe as it maybe

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Speaker 3: some people may have made it.

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Speaker 8: Sound we'll be limited, will be limiting. That's the aggressive question,

627
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Speaker 8: because is Lamar Jackson is limited in what he can

628
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Speaker 8: do with his ability to run explosiveness. Then that's going

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Speaker 8: to change who he is as a quarterback, and that's

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Speaker 8: going to change their offense.

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Speaker 3: I think we gotta wait and see how he how

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Speaker 3: he might when he's out there. I don't I don't

633
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Speaker 3: think there's any other way of knowing how he's going

634
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Speaker 3: to respond to the injury, because unless you're right there

635
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Speaker 3: with him, you're not going to know the level of

636
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Speaker 3: what that that hamstring pool is. It could it could

637
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Speaker 3: be as simple as them taping it up or giving

638
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Speaker 3: them compression shorts to put on and then it holds

639
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Speaker 3: it together. He's good, it's heated data day, so on

640
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Speaker 3: and so forth. Could be a tort all shot that

641
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 3: helps take away just the discomfort of the pain. It

642
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Speaker 3: just all depends on what his tolerance of pain. There's

643
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Speaker 3: a whole lot of factors. We're just gonna have to

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Speaker 3: wait and see how it looks when he plays on it.

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Speaker 3: But I agree with you though, if he can't move,

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Speaker 3: if he's not if he's not versatile and what it

647
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: is that he's bringing to the table, then you're going

648
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Speaker 3: to see much of the same results. If he's not

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Speaker 3: able to be a you know, a person that moves

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Speaker 3: out of the pop, outside of the pocket and is

651
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Speaker 3: able to be mobile with what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I would tend to agree with you on that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And if that's the case, they're in big trouble

654
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Speaker 8: and they're done and the skillers will win the division

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Speaker 8: no matter what.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that they'd have a chance to make

657
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Speaker 3: a wild cart run or even the Bengals. Do you

658
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: think any other team in the North would have an

659
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Speaker 3: opportunity to make it into the playoffs?

660
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Speaker 8: I mean no, I don't. Look. The Ravens schedule softens

661
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 8: up a great deal in the next you know, five games.

662
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 8: So if Lamar Jackson can come back and be Lamar Jackson,

663
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 8: they'll get back into the mix. I don't think there's

664
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Speaker 8: any doubt about that. But if he can't, I don't

665
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 8: see how that happens with that the loster, the way

666
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Speaker 8: its construct and all the injuries they have. So no,

667
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Speaker 8: I don't think the Bengals and Joe Flacco are going

668
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Speaker 8: to go wild card hunting.

669
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Speaker 2: No, I do not, all right, So Pete, what do

670
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: you make of the Drake may start to his season?

671
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 4: All right?

672
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: If we don't know, you know who is good yet

673
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: the Patriots are sitting there at four and two, and

674
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, now they'll sit back and wait to see

675
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: what happens later on tonight. But it does feel like

676
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, Mike Rabel, They've got Drake Man. They've got

677
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Speaker 2: that team headed in the right direction. A far cry

678
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Speaker 2: from where they were a year ago under Drowd Mayo.

679
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Speaker 8: No question, no question about it. And Mike Rabel's a

680
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 8: good football coach. He instills a toughness in the team

681
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 8: and it's them to play weekend and week out. And

682
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 8: Drake may is a franchise quarterback. I mean Drake may

683
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 8: He made some throws on Sunday. There was a throw

684
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 8: call back on a throat to Stefan Diggs for past interference.

685
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 8: That yeah, I mean that throw was incredible. I mean,

686
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Speaker 8: there's some of the throws he made are out doubt.

687
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Speaker 8: It's the Saints, but the week before they went to

688
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 8: Buffalo and you beat the Bills, and when you go

689
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 8: to Buffalo beat the Bills and you come on the

690
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 8: road and you go play the Saints on the road again,

691
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 8: that's a natural letdown. And it was a thing, you know,

692
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 8: I flogged through it a bit, but they found a

693
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 8: way and that's the sign of a good football team.

694
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Speaker 8: You know, you talk about a wildcard team, I think

695
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 8: that team's a legitimate wildcard team, particularly when you look

696
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 8: at the two bottom feeders below them in the division,

697
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 8: and the Dolphins and the Jets, you would think that

698
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 8: the New England Patriots will be one of the one

699
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 8: of the wildcard teams come playoff time, particularly the way

700
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Speaker 8: Drake may is playing a particularly the way they play

701
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 8: for that coach. So yeah, I'm impressed by the New

702
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 8: England Patriots.

703
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 5: Pete has San Francisco hited ceiling.

704
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Speaker 8: You know, Brady a week ago they went to It's

705
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 8: funny how we change our narrative in a week. But

706
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 8: you're not wrong though, And here's why. They go to

707
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 8: LA and beat the Rams on a Thursday night and

708
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 8: everybody goes, oh my god, that's vintage Kyle Shanahan. Look

709
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 8: at back Jones, he's great. Look what they did and

710
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 8: they want and they're right back in the thick of things.

711
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 8: And then they go to Tampa and lose a close game,

712
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 8: but they lose Fred Warner and that's for the season.

713
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 8: So you take the heart and soul of the defense

714
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 8: off the defense, and you take away Nick Bosa off

715
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 8: that defense, and then you go to the offense. Kittle

716
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 8: hasn't been there. Perty's not there. And so of the

717
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 8: six major supposed stars of the count party that you

718
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 8: have on that roster, two of them are playing two

719
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 8: Berett Williams, who's not quite the same player he was,

720
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 8: and Christian McCaffrey. And that's it. And so week in

721
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 8: and week out you're challenged to go, you know, compete

722
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 8: against these teams with a backup quarterback who's played pretty

723
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 8: good football and a roster that is, you know, a

724
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 8: challenge to put together because you pay those guys so

725
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 8: much money and your star star Layden and so when

726
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 8: when those stars go out, your team is in big trouble.

727
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 8: And right now I think the forty nine ers in

728
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 8: big trouble.

729
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: What's going on with your Jacksonville Jaguars? Where are you at?

730
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: Was them?

731
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Speaker 8: Well? I thought they there was a big win last

732
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Speaker 8: week against Kansas City, and Sunday they laid an eck

733
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Speaker 8: and didn't play very well. I mean, this is an

734
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 8: offensive line. They gave up six sacks going into the

735
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Speaker 8: game and gave up seven on Sunday. I mean, they

736
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 8: just were brutalized up front. Having said all that, I

737
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 8: think Seattle's defense is significantly better than we give them

738
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 8: credit for. Particularly on the defense. They played with a

739
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 8: bunch of guys out on the secondary, and Sam Darnold's

740
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 8: playing at a high level. Look, I have my reservations

741
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 8: going into the season. I'll be the first to admit it.

742
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 8: The guy's averaging over nine and a half yards per attempt.

743
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 8: The ball is going down the field in the league

744
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 8: where nobody throws the ball down the field. So I

745
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 8: think that was it that that game was much more

746
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 8: telling about Seattle. On the positive side, Jacksonville came off

747
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 8: a big win. It's it's hard to get back up again.

748
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 8: But they got to play better on offense. I think

749
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 8: their offense is not very good right now, and you know,

750
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 8: maybe it's time to start pointing the fingers at the

751
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 8: quarterback a little bit and and he's got to be

752
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 8: better in a certain situations now. He did have a

753
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 8: drop in the middle of the field on a key

754
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 8: third down by Brian Thomas. Once again, that would have

755
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 8: continued to drive to go tie it up. But they

756
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 8: didn't play very well on Sunday.

757
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 6: Wait, so are you trying to tell me that Sam

758
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 6: Gnold's not who he thought he was? Yes, Okay, so

759
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 6: you're still waiting on that bad game to be like

760
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Speaker 6: see I.

761
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: Told you y'all.

762
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Brady, Brady, you know that you are with

763
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 8: your usually works out all the time.

764
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Speaker 6: And yeah, because because it only takes one game, then

765
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 6: you make that claim and then it's like he plays

766
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 6: straight from five more and he's like, nah.

767
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 5: I'll come back down to normal, He'll come back down.

768
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Speaker 8: To who he is. This just wait for about three years.

769
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 8: I got about three so he needs three good years

770
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 8: to kind of level off his career.

771
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Speaker 6: By the way, I love how you don't give him

772
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 6: like any any leeway whatsoever. We're going to a Jets

773
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 6: organization that like just cannot figure it out, and yet

774
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 6: here's at no point are you like, yeah, maybe we

775
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 6: should wipe that clean.

776
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 5: Nope, We're just gonna hold it against him the rest

777
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Speaker 5: of his life.

778
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 8: No, I'm not gonna holding it against him. I just

779
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 8: got to see more and and but and right now

780
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 8: I'm seeing more. I'm gonna give him his flowers, Brady.

781
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 8: I said, he's been playing good football, and rightfully, so

782
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 8: he deserves all the accolades he's getting. He's in the

783
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 8: MVP conversation. How about that? Wow?

784
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: All right, Pete, who's your coach of the year. Who's

785
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 4: your coach of the year today? Right now? Pete, you

786
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 4: got any buy your mine?

787
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I think you have to give Rabel

788
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 8: a consideration. I think he deserves strong consideration. Here here's

789
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 8: another one that doesn't get any Pete.

790
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 5: Does Rabel talk to you when you go up to

791
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 5: the visit camp.

792
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 8: No, I mean, I don't know. I don't know Mike that.

793
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 8: But so no, I'm not giving you. I'm not giving

794
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 8: guy flowers that I know. I know where you're doing.

795
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 8: I think I think what Todd Bowles has done with

796
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 8: the Bucks is incredible. You know, we always talk about

797
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 8: the forty nine ers injuries. Yesterday Baker Mayfield was thrown

798
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 8: They said fourth, fifth, and six receivers. No, it was

799
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 8: five six and seven because one, two, three and four

800
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 8: were all out Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Jalen McMillan, and

801
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 8: then Abuka went out in the game. So it's five

802
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 8: six and seven and he found a way to win

803
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 8: a game. The offensive line, nobody, not one time have

804
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 8: they played with anybody on that line that should have

805
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 8: the five across that was supposed to start the season.

806
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 8: They've lost Canty, They've had injuries in the secondary, and

807
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 8: here they are at five and one, and all of

808
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 8: a sudden you look around. They're the number one seed

809
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 8: right now in the NFC, and if they get their

810
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 8: guys back, which a lot of those guys are going

811
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 8: to come back, they're going to be factors in the

812
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 8: NFC to go win it all this year. I really

813
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 8: believe that, Pete.

814
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: What was a pick you made this weekend that you

815
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: were on the right side on but ultimately a lost

816
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: And who's to blame?

817
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 8: That's a good question. I don't know if there were

818
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 8: any like that this week. To be honest with you,

819
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 8: you just lost a bunch was no, Well, it wasn't

820
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 8: a great week. Let's put it that way. There's been better.

821
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 8: I mean, I won't Brady, Let's see, well I was no,

822
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 8: not really, I don't think there are any To be.

823
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Speaker 5: Honest with you, Yes, where were you on saddle in Jacksonville?

824
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 8: I had the Dolphins plus so they they and they

825
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 8: covered even though they lost the game. Oh, I'll give

826
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 8: you a Dallas should have won that game. But that's

827
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Speaker 8: the one that.

828
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Speaker 5: There's always one.

829
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Speaker 2: Why why would you put any faith in Dallas' defense

830
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: at this point? Dak's been great, but they can't stop anybody.

831
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: We go down All was that a career day.

832
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Speaker 8: It's unbelievable that that you're right the cavities in the defenses,

833
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 8: like I think, I think any running back in this

834
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 8: league could roll in for just four yards per carry.

835
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 8: No matter who you are, you're gonna get it against

836
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 8: that team easily. I mean, you're right, ric o'dallall just

837
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 8: ran wild through them around. I mean everybody.

838
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Speaker 2: You know.

839
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Speaker 8: It's funny because Rigo Dad has been really good. I

840
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 8: give him a lot of credit, but he played that

841
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 8: defense one week and they're twenty ninth in the league.

842
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 8: Give it up. But in the last three games, they've

843
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 8: given him one hundred and seventy yards per game on

844
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 8: the ground, which would be last in the league. And

845
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 8: they beat the Miami Dolphins on the ground, which is

846
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 8: the team that is last in the league on rush defense.

847
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 8: I mean, so we got to you know, Rico dadad again,

848
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 8: it's proof he pulled running back off the shelf and

849
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 8: put him in He's going to rush for yards against

850
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 8: bad run defenses. That's what they do. But M. Dallas

851
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 8: is right. You're right. I don't know why I should

852
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 8: have won that game, but I showed him.

853
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports

854
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Speaker 2: HQ analysts get him on X at Prisco CBS. Pete,

855
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: we love you, Studia.

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Speaker 8: Next week, the guys take care