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Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely one of the two that you don't
Speaker 3: need here. Well, God, take that head set off.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what are you talking about, David.
Speaker 5: You're over there texting.
Speaker 3: You're over there like having these conversations on these text
Speaker 3: chains with your buddies.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 3: Paul and I are over here preparing for the show.
Speaker 1: You know what to right now, though, honestly, there's so
Speaker 1: much information that is out there right, all of this
Speaker 1: information right now, Paul. I know, Paul, I know how
Speaker 1: you get right. This really bounds you up, Paul, that
Speaker 1: tightens you up right now and you just want to
Speaker 1: mentally flush. I understand Paul, that that is what is
Speaker 1: going on. Right now. But this is it, This is
Speaker 1: here we are, guys. We are on the eve of
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Man, what an awesome, awesome situation that is.
Speaker 5: I think was the old Mad Max movies they used
Speaker 5: to say, welcome to Thunderdome, Welcome to the pivot point
Speaker 5: of the NFL Draft. Pick number four, the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 5: And if we refer to State Farm Stadium as the nest,
Speaker 5: you can refer to the Cardinals war room as the
Speaker 5: catbird seed, can you not? Nobody really knows what the
Speaker 5: Cardinals are going to do. Will they stick and pick
Speaker 5: or will they as I like to call it, Trey
Speaker 5: and Cavalcade. I mean, the possibilities are endless out there.
Speaker 5: And you know what's silly season When two months ago
Speaker 5: we had a CBS mock draft they had the Cardinals
Speaker 5: at number twenty seven taking bow Nicks. And just to
Speaker 5: make sure it's come full circle, there was a Sports
Speaker 5: Illustrated mock draft out today that as the Cardinals trading
Speaker 5: out of twenty seven down to thirty two and taking
Speaker 5: Michael Pennox Junior. So, I mean, we've seen and heard
Speaker 5: anything and everything, but Dave, listen to Daniel Jeremiah. Okay,
Speaker 5: here he is just about the magnitude of the moment.
Speaker 5: When you have eleven picks through seven rounds.
Speaker 6: This is a set your franchise up situation here for
Speaker 6: the Arizona Cardinals. The Houston Texans did it last year.
Speaker 6: If you go back and look at a lot of
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl teams, you can identify the one or
Speaker 6: two year period where their draft set that run up.
Speaker 6: Seattle's one that comes right to mind. You know what
Speaker 6: they did over a couple of years. So this is
Speaker 6: their moment here. So they need to you know, they
Speaker 6: need to get some guys who really make it difference
Speaker 6: for him.
Speaker 5: That's Daniel Jeremiah. That was a conference call with the
Speaker 5: media the last and more than two hours. So it
Speaker 5: just goes and proves the sort of insatiable appetite for
Speaker 5: all this.
Speaker 1: You know, first of all, let me just say this,
Speaker 1: what is it, Paully. It's six picks in the top
Speaker 1: ninety correct or seven four in the top one oh four, Paul,
Speaker 1: And we all know the top one oh four matters,
Speaker 1: do we not? We all know one oh four matters?
Speaker 1: Oh boy four.
Speaker 5: Or late to a former fourth rounder nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: You've got to throw in nineteen eighty five pick number
Speaker 1: one oh four, Polly, So I think you forget about
Speaker 1: the six and ninety. You've got to go with seven
Speaker 1: in one oh four because that's where you get you
Speaker 1: get a difference maker.
Speaker 7: Pall.
Speaker 3: First of all, ninety five percent of our listeners weren't
Speaker 3: born in nineteen eighty five. But I agree with with Daniel,
Speaker 3: and I think it's very fair to compare it to
Speaker 3: what Houston did. And look, the difference is Houston needed
Speaker 3: a quarterback. The card don't. The Cardinals have their quarterback.
Speaker 3: So the blessing is you don't have to take a
Speaker 3: quarterback at four. You can use that pick to either
Speaker 3: get somebody to help Kyler Murray as a receiver or
Speaker 3: an offensive lineman, or help your defense, or trade it.
Speaker 5: What do you think, Wolf, You got a gut feel,
Speaker 5: You got a gut feel for this one, Cary.
Speaker 1: Do you know this is just my feeling on this one,
Speaker 1: Pully again, and we've been back and forth on this
Speaker 1: as well. You know you know how much I early
Speaker 1: on loved Marvin Harrison junior. Oh my goodness, I was
Speaker 1: in the danger zone on Marvin Harrison Junior and I
Speaker 1: think I'm still there. If we get anybody but Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior at number four, I'm gonna be in the
Speaker 1: danger zone. And yet I'm gonna trust Manti Austin Ford
Speaker 1: because he knows what he's doing and he loves football players. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's gonna draft a football player at number four. Okay,
Speaker 1: not a guy that is gonna check every box at
Speaker 1: the combine, but a guy that is gonna check every
Speaker 1: box in between the white lines. I have full confidence
Speaker 1: in that. But I'd love to see Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: I think it comes down to this, doesn't it. If
Speaker 3: you think there's one guy who is better than the
Speaker 3: old If you're looking at receiver and you think, okay
Speaker 3: that the three receivers are the next best players after
Speaker 3: the three quarterbacks, and you feel like one of those guys,
Speaker 3: let's say Marvin Harrison is significantly better than those two.
Speaker 3: It's somebody you can't pass up, like a Jamar Chase
Speaker 3: who could change your team. Then you got to make
Speaker 3: that pick. And I imagine that MANI will look at
Speaker 3: it that way. But if on their board and we
Speaker 3: don't know this on their board, it's close, or maybe
Speaker 3: they have somebody ahead of Marvin Harrison, then it's easier
Speaker 3: to be able to say, okay, well let's move out
Speaker 3: of there. And then it comes down to, well how
Speaker 3: far do we want to move out, because you don't
Speaker 3: want to just move out just to draft, you know,
Speaker 3: get capital and then miss out on a great player.
Speaker 3: That's the thing he I don't think MANI is going
Speaker 3: to trade just to get another pick, because I have
Speaker 3: to imagine when they moved last year out of three,
Speaker 3: the players that were there at three, they thought were
Speaker 3: on par with Paris Johnson. That's why they did what
Speaker 3: they did. So if they think Marvin Harrison is that
Speaker 3: much better than everybody else over the next four to
Speaker 3: six picks, I think they'll take Marvin Harrison. If they don't,
Speaker 3: if it's close, or if they have somebody graded ahead
Speaker 3: of Marvin Harrison, then I think they trade out.
Speaker 5: What if I told you that Marvin Harrison Junior met
Speaker 5: with two teams and only two teams on his thirty
Speaker 5: visits leading up to the draft Thursday night, that he
Speaker 5: met with the Bears and the Arizona Cardinals. That's according
Speaker 5: to Matt Miller ESPN NFL Draft Scott Wolf the two
Speaker 5: of us have interviewed Matt Miller. You've talked to him
Speaker 5: multiple times. He adds in today's report that sources around
Speaker 5: the NFL also say that Marvin Harrison Junior has an
Speaker 5: assurance from the Cardinals that he will be the pick
Speaker 5: if available.
Speaker 1: Four waw okay.
Speaker 5: Let that hang in the air for a minute as
Speaker 5: we go back to the combine. And here's what Matt
Speaker 5: Miller had to say just about the Cardinals and the
Speaker 5: impact they could have up and down this draft.
Speaker 8: When I look at how many selections you have in
Speaker 8: the top one hundred, that's how you can control the draft.
Speaker 8: What if there's a trade out scenario like last year,
Speaker 8: You know what if there's a situation where you're willing
Speaker 8: to fall in love with the elite neighbors or a
Speaker 8: Roma Dunza or maybe someone who's not in even in
Speaker 8: that conversation inside back a couple of picks. So I
Speaker 8: think Arizona's in a really fascinating spot, much like last year,
Speaker 8: where you can make a decision that really changes the
Speaker 8: outcome of the first round.
Speaker 3: I had Ohio State's bowl game and now Marvin Harrison
Speaker 3: Junior didn't play, But in talking with all the coaches,
Speaker 3: people close to the program, other players.
Speaker 1: To a man, they.
Speaker 3: Raved about Marvin Harrison's character, the type of person he is,
Speaker 3: the type of worker he is, and then you add
Speaker 3: the elite talent. So you've got a total pack there
Speaker 3: with Marvin Harrison. If what Matt Miller's saying is true,
Speaker 3: the chances of a hit are great because a lot
Speaker 3: of times when you miss on guys in the first round,
Speaker 3: it's not because of talent. There's something there, there's a
Speaker 3: red flag. I think about when the Cardinals drafted Robert
Speaker 3: Kimdchi at the end of the first round. There's a
Speaker 3: reason he dropped that far. There were red flags of
Speaker 3: Robert Kimdicchi. It wasn't about his ability, it was the
Speaker 3: other stuff. You don't have to worry about that with
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison, and I think there's a lot of guys
Speaker 3: in the top ten you don't have to worry about that,
Speaker 3: which again goes back to how do you how do
Speaker 3: you have these guys situated on your board? Do you
Speaker 3: feel like, whether it's Marvin Harrison Junior or somebody else,
Speaker 3: that this is the best player and if we don't
Speaker 3: take this player, we are passing up on a game
Speaker 3: changer just for the sake of getting an additional pick.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm kind of withy on that one, David.
Speaker 1: Right now, listen, what's the old saying. Nature abhors a vacuum,
Speaker 1: right that's the old saying right there, Nature abhors a vacuum.
Speaker 1: And guess what, Scouts abhor ties. They can't stand it,
Speaker 1: they can't tolerate it. You have to be convicted. Scouting
Speaker 1: is about being convicted. No, this guy is better than
Speaker 1: this guy. So once again, I hear this theory that
Speaker 1: is out there that maybe they've got these three wide
Speaker 1: receivers and they're all on the same tier, and maybe
Speaker 1: that is true. But I'll guarantee you Manti Assin fort
Speaker 1: he's got it lined up one, two, and three. Who
Speaker 1: does he like the best? I don't. And because of that,
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be definitive as well. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's just going to be a well, you
Speaker 1: know what, if one of these three guys are there,
Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and we'll trade down and we'll trade
Speaker 1: back up try to get them. I think the scouting
Speaker 1: is much more about conviction, especially at this point. So
Speaker 1: I think we'll see them, we'll see them target a guy.
Speaker 1: If in fact they don't trade out of there, I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna do it.
Speaker 5: It's not like last year, though, I mean this year,
Speaker 5: you have a quarterback. Ostensibly he's going to be there.
Speaker 5: We started the sole process with our hashtag let there
Speaker 5: be a fourth QB. Right now looks like there are four.
Speaker 5: So what are teams willing to pay for that franchise quarterback?
Speaker 5: How much more perhaps than they were willing to pay
Speaker 5: a year ago. If I told you the Cardinals could
Speaker 5: go down to number six and get a pair of
Speaker 5: second round picks out of the New York Giants, how
Speaker 5: enticing might that be? What if I told you could
Speaker 5: trade with Minnesota, go down to eleven, get two first
Speaker 5: round picks eleven and twenty three and Justin Jefferson, which
Speaker 5: has been reported, or Denver's so desperate for a quarterback
Speaker 5: they have Jared Stoodham and Zach Wilson right now, they're
Speaker 5: gonna give you twelve the future first and Patrick Sir Tan.
Speaker 5: My gut feeling is Manias Sport doesn't want to trade
Speaker 5: out at number four, but some team will make him
Speaker 5: trade out at number four with an offer that is
Speaker 5: just it blows him away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think we need to see what Washington
Speaker 3: does first. Assuming Washington takes Jaden Daniels, does New England
Speaker 3: like Drake May enough or do they trade out like
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy better. I doubt it. So Drake May has
Speaker 3: gone at three. Is there a team that thinks, well,
Speaker 3: if we don't get to four to take JJ McCarthy,
Speaker 3: he's going to go somebody's going to trade to five,
Speaker 3: or somebody's going to trade to six, or the Giants
Speaker 3: will just take him at six. And then it comes
Speaker 3: down to again, you weigh, well, if I get all
Speaker 3: these picks, but I got to give up a player
Speaker 3: that I am convicted as you use that Vertwolf, I'm
Speaker 3: convicted I'm targeting that I think is the best player
Speaker 3: for our team at four. I still feel like you
Speaker 3: take the player rather than the deal in that situation.
Speaker 5: Peyton Manning said the other day on Denver Sports Radio,
Speaker 5: the Broncos are quote very interested in JJ McCarthy. The
Speaker 5: Giants are said to like Drake May because the reminds
Speaker 5: the head coach, Brian Dable of his former quarterback in
Speaker 5: Buffalo when he was the OC Josh Allen. So there's
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Speaker 9: With the sixth pick in the twenty twenty three NFL Draft,
Speaker 9: the Arizona Cardinals select Paris Johnson Junior.
Speaker 10: Ohio's take, the Cardinals were brilliant last year in the
Speaker 10: way they manipulated the draft. Mante austin Ford, their general manager,
Speaker 10: went from three to twelve to six, got everything you wanted,
Speaker 10: more picks. It was brilliant, it was great, and they
Speaker 10: were going to be open to doing the same thing.
Speaker 5: That is Adam Schefter on the Pat McAfee show three
Speaker 5: draft day trades a year ago involving top ten picks
Speaker 5: with many austin Ford making two of them as the
Speaker 5: Cardinals trader from three to twelve then back up to six.
Speaker 5: If you look at the past five drafts, or have
Speaker 5: been twenty eight trades total during Day one, Round one
Speaker 5: of the draft that included first round picks. So we'll
Speaker 5: see exactly what happens. We'll see what sort of calls
Speaker 5: come Manti Austin Ford's way. It's a big red raged
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Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 5: Right now there's two first round picks for the Cardinals.
Speaker 5: Who knows if there might be more? Wolf, I mean
Speaker 5: you take a look and you put your finger to
Speaker 5: the wind on this one, do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 5: Look, there's a no one in the unknown. We don't
Speaker 5: know who, we don't know how much. The only thing
Speaker 5: we really know is the when. As in Manias said repeatedly,
Speaker 5: there will not be a trade until we're on the clock.
Speaker 1: See now, once again, Paul, do you buy that right there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you do. You don't think New England is going
Speaker 1: to trade out at number three, even though they're waving
Speaker 1: that sign.
Speaker 3: That's why you wait, because you don't know if New
Speaker 3: England's going to trade So why would you make a
Speaker 3: deal before you know what New England's going to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I know that. But so do you think
Speaker 1: the Patriots are alive in this? I think they're just
Speaker 1: making a lot of noise.
Speaker 3: I don't know, But I'm just going back to Paul's
Speaker 3: point about MANI saying that he's not going to do
Speaker 3: anything until they're on the clock. Why would you do
Speaker 3: something until you're on the clock.
Speaker 1: But see, I have to say this quickly. There are
Speaker 1: people out there that would do something off the clock
Speaker 1: if they got offered what they wanted before, If they
Speaker 1: got a truckload and they got it offered to him before,
Speaker 1: they might make a move. Well, the trading general managers
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 5: The Tree Lance Niners Miami deal for three first round
Speaker 5: picks was done a month before the draft.
Speaker 3: Guess what they should have waited till they were on
Speaker 3: the clock or not at all.
Speaker 1: No, But once again, if you're considering trading out of there,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you wait until you're on the clock.
Speaker 3: But he obviously has scenarios in his mind. He's obviously
Speaker 3: had conversations, so he has an idea what's coming. I'm
Speaker 3: sure there will be a surpriser too. Right, there's going
Speaker 3: to be a call that you didn't think was coming
Speaker 3: that you have to weigh against the player you want.
Speaker 5: Speaking of Jim Mersey, who can be a loose cannon
Speaker 5: a bit as the Colts owner came out and said
Speaker 5: this week that the Colts have quote great interest in
Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior, the son of their former Hall of
Speaker 5: Fame receiver Marvin Harrison. Could the Colts somehow make a
Speaker 5: play to come from fifteen to four. I mean there's
Speaker 5: stuff flying around everywhere, multiple reports that says Moni, he's
Speaker 5: at least fielded four inquiries, four solid inquiries about Okay,
Speaker 5: we're going to be interested on draft Dak.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up, Paul, because I think
Speaker 3: there are people, there are teams that are gonna call
Speaker 3: not just about a quarterback, and maybe not just about
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison. It may be for Joe Aalt. If you
Speaker 3: think Joealt is a franchise left tackle, and you think, Man,
Speaker 3: if the Cardinals take a receiver, the Chargers are going
Speaker 3: to take Joealt, we need to jump the Chargers again.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna get calls that they may not say, Hey,
Speaker 3: this is what we're doing, but it may not be
Speaker 3: for a quarterback. It's we're acting like that's all that's
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 5: Like Tennessee at number seven, they're in dire need of
Speaker 5: offensive linemen. Maybe they want Joealt. They come up ahead
Speaker 5: of the Chargers, they get their guy, you go back
Speaker 5: to seven. That's something we haven't thrown out there. Look,
Speaker 5: here's Adam Schefter again on the Pad McAfee show, just
Speaker 5: talking about, Hey, that number four pick, there's a four
Speaker 5: sale sign on it right now.
Speaker 10: The Cardinals pick is for sale, but no sales are
Speaker 10: final until they're on the clock.
Speaker 11: Well even then, I think four is going to be
Speaker 11: a tough spot to get to for some teams. I
Speaker 11: just don't know in the end that Arizona's going to
Speaker 11: be willing to give up the chance to get the
Speaker 11: top wide receiver in this draft to get extra picks.
Speaker 5: What here's my ideal scenario. The New York Giants, who
Speaker 5: have invested a lot of time and resources number in
Speaker 5: examining every single quarterback prospect in this draft. Giants come up,
Speaker 5: they come up to four, Cardinals go only to six,
Speaker 5: They get another second round pick or two, and then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, to Dave's point, Jim Harbaugh, what's
Speaker 5: his style? The trenches, bullyball. We're gonna be physical. He
Speaker 5: takes the tackle at five. Guess what four quarterbacks one
Speaker 5: through four tackle at five. Marvin Harrison Junior is still
Speaker 5: there at six?
Speaker 1: How about that? Yeah, even if the Chargers went with
Speaker 1: a wide receiver as well at number five, Yes, ro
Speaker 1: Madoonze or my league neighbors could be there at number six.
Speaker 1: I really do enjoy that right now. But let me
Speaker 1: just say this, Well, Manti asin Ford is doing I
Speaker 1: think is brilliant right now. And the reason being is
Speaker 1: because there is going to be leverage the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: We all think the draft is going to start with
Speaker 1: a number four pick overall, And because of that, why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you wait until you're actually on the clock to
Speaker 1: get all these other team's best offers? Because I guarantee
Speaker 1: he's plowed the road. To your point, David, probably four
Speaker 1: or five teams that are out there, he's already plowed
Speaker 1: the road and let him know, listen, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: take any offers until we're on the clock. But make
Speaker 1: sure you come with your best early on, because you've
Speaker 1: got twenty seconds go, because I got four other guys
Speaker 1: on hold. I mean, honestly, he's gonna have to get
Speaker 1: these offers and it's gonna have to be a final offer.
Speaker 5: And I asked him last month about how much background
Speaker 5: is done leading up to when you're on the clock
Speaker 5: in those weeks and months, and he said, yes, quite
Speaker 5: a bit. You know who's a player who's serious. And
Speaker 5: then to your point, Wolf, in fact, he used those
Speaker 5: words in the Cardinals flight Plan all access video from
Speaker 5: the war room last year, is that your best offer?
Speaker 5: Because once you're on the clock, you're gonna get a team.
Speaker 5: So there's best negotiation there. It's just give me your
Speaker 5: offer or go. And here's many Austin Ford's philosophy on that.
Speaker 12: We've had talks with multiple teams, and multiple teams have
Speaker 12: checked in with us. And I think the way I
Speaker 12: look at it is like, guys, I love my house,
Speaker 12: I love where I live. Okay, my wife loves where
Speaker 12: we live if all of a sudden there's a knock
Speaker 12: on my door and someone's gonna offer me something, and
Speaker 12: I'm gonna look and see what they're offering me. And
Speaker 12: if I open that up up and it's something I'm
Speaker 12: not expecting, Hey, Shannon, let's go pack up, sign a roll.
Speaker 5: So there you go. Once again, I just wonder, and
Speaker 5: I've said this couple of times. Let me get your
Speaker 5: impressions on this, Dave. Do you think this GM and
Speaker 5: this head coach value receiver is high as number four
Speaker 5: considering the fourth ranked rushing team last year. It's really
Speaker 5: really deep in terms of receivers. Do you think that, Okay,
Speaker 5: you know what's supplying to man? There aren't as many corners,
Speaker 5: aren't as many edge rushers. We trade down, you go defense,
Speaker 5: and then at twenty seven or thirty five, we can
Speaker 5: still get a really good wide receiver. Once upon a time,
Speaker 5: justin Jefferson, the best in the game was selected number
Speaker 5: twenty two overall.
Speaker 3: Not to sound redundant, Paul, but it goes back to
Speaker 3: what I said earlier, where if you feel there is
Speaker 3: a receiver that you cannot live without, that you think
Speaker 3: is a game changer that changes your team that changes
Speaker 3: your franchise, you make the pick, we don't know if
Speaker 3: they have that person in mind. And in the past,
Speaker 3: the Cardinals, you know, the scouting system them and the
Speaker 3: grading system was much different than it is with a
Speaker 3: new regime. And you know, I think with the old system,
Speaker 3: a lot of times it was based on a grade,
Speaker 3: and sometimes the grade you may or may not have
Speaker 3: made sense. Where I think now there's a lot more
Speaker 3: discussion about, well, how does he fit our team, how
Speaker 3: does he fit our culture? And so if there's more
Speaker 3: than just oh wow, this guy's a great talent, he
Speaker 3: runs a great I'm not saying this is what Steve did. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the Steve had a great run as GM here for
Speaker 3: a long time and made a lot of good picks.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to sit here and bash the
Speaker 3: old system. But it's just different. The way they're looking
Speaker 3: at players are different, and I think how it fits
Speaker 3: the team and the culture and the staff and the
Speaker 3: scheme and all that stuff plays a big role. And
Speaker 3: there if there's Mike, you think about Mike Evans, Jamar Chase,
Speaker 3: guys that were drafted in the top ten at receiver,
Speaker 3: you have a chance to get a home run, unless
Speaker 3: you think the three guys are pretty similar, or you think,
Speaker 3: you know what, there's a guy Brian Thomas, Keon Coleman,
Speaker 3: the kid at South Carolina that you know what, we
Speaker 3: could get that guy late first round who's just as good.
Speaker 3: We just don't know where Many's thinking is right now.
Speaker 1: You know the great part about this if you are
Speaker 1: manni Asenfort the Arizona Cardinals, though you're sitting in Paul,
Speaker 1: you said at the cat bird Seed listen, is your
Speaker 1: consolation price, Marvin Harrison Junior, that's your consolation prize? Or
Speaker 1: you know are you're gonna get a truckload, a boatload
Speaker 1: of draft picks. You know, we're talking about six in
Speaker 1: the top ninety, you know, seven in the top one
Speaker 1: oh four because we all know one four is important anyways,
Speaker 1: So once again we're talking about that. What if you
Speaker 1: added more picks as well? This is that a possibility? Yes,
Speaker 1: it is, and they could be not only quantity of pick,
Speaker 1: which is something Many loves. He loves just like the
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. They love quantity because it allows you to
Speaker 1: get a better percentage of a hit rate to hit on.
Speaker 1: Some of these players because of that.
Speaker 3: Remember when the Jets took Sauce Gardner a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, and everybody was going to the draft saying,
Speaker 3: you know what, the Jets should trade down because people
Speaker 3: are gonna want to go up and get a quarterback.
Speaker 1: They didn't.
Speaker 3: They took sauce Gardner and he totally changed their team.
Speaker 3: Now they had other good players on their defense, but
Speaker 3: like that changed it. That put them over the top.
Speaker 3: So again, if you think Marvin Harrison or Malik Neighbors
Speaker 3: or Joe Walt or Romo Dunese, whoever it is, at four,
Speaker 3: you think this person changes us.
Speaker 1: Yes, you make that pick. Yes, and I would agree
Speaker 1: with that unless you get offered something. You can't say
Speaker 1: no to David. That's once again there's I think MANI
Speaker 1: is sitting in the cat bird seat as Paul is
Speaker 1: talking about, because I don't see a downside.
Speaker 5: Do you see the info that ESPN threw out there
Speaker 5: that over the was from two thousand to twenty nineteen,
Speaker 5: they evaluated the hit rates of all the position groups
Speaker 5: in the NFL draft. You know what had the worst
Speaker 5: wide receiver by far?
Speaker 3: I believe that.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that gives anyone pause, but once again,
Speaker 5: I go back to that question, how does this regime
Speaker 5: value the wide receiver position? Do they go as far
Speaker 5: as full overall?
Speaker 1: And what I love about it is how do they
Speaker 1: value a football player and how do they identify a
Speaker 1: football player? I think they know what a football player
Speaker 1: looks like, even at wide receiver, and that's why I'm
Speaker 1: confident if they pick it, he's a football player.
Speaker 5: Because let's see you trade with the Giants and you
Speaker 5: get that extra second round pick. There are a lot
Speaker 5: of mock drafts. You know who's available on that number
Speaker 5: forty seven slot. Braden Fisk standout, d Liman Jackson, Powers Johnson,
Speaker 5: a franchise center.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of buss overall in the first
Speaker 1: round as well.
Speaker 5: PAULI Hey, Cardinal season tickets, premium seating, luxury seating. Go
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Speaker 1: How you doing man? Doing good?
Speaker 13: Congratulations, appreciate you.
Speaker 5: You come in here and deny the ball or what?
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, I know I know it. How you're doing
Speaker 13: this is Mantias support for the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Get there. What are you doing?
Speaker 7: Where you at I'm gonna sell it, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: Charlot Nook fell on.
Speaker 13: Yeah, you got some people around you, you hang Who
Speaker 13: are you hanging out with?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: My family, my friends, all that.
Speaker 13: Man, you got your family and your friends. Well, guess
Speaker 13: what you're about to tell you. You're gonna be an
Speaker 13: Arizona Cardinal.
Speaker 1: Buddy.
Speaker 8: Yes, let's do it, man, let's do it.
Speaker 13: We are. We are excited that we're gonna get you
Speaker 13: in here. You remember, you remember that meeting we have,
Speaker 13: We get the combine, the man you're made of the
Speaker 13: stuff that we're working for.
Speaker 9: But with the seventy second pick in the twenty twenty
Speaker 9: three NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select Garrett Williams defensive back.
Speaker 5: Safe. It's great stuff and we had Garrett Williams. The
Speaker 5: pleasure of having Garrett Williams on this show, The Big
Speaker 5: Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert we Are
Speaker 5: santan Ford, Paul calvec Ron Wolfley, special guest Dave Pash
Speaker 5: more than two decades as the voice of the Arizona Cardinals,
Speaker 5: and Garrett Williams remembered that meeting at the Combine vividly
Speaker 5: and then to hear Jonathan Gannon talk about it later
Speaker 5: during his TV show Wolf. He told the story was
Speaker 5: the very last interview of that day. They've gone through
Speaker 5: like three or four dozen player interviews, fifteen minutes at
Speaker 5: a time. They are beyond exhausted, and Garrett Williams walked
Speaker 5: into the room and within a couple of minutes they
Speaker 5: were on the edge of their seat. They were perked up.
Speaker 5: They realized, you know what, it's kid's highly intelligent, highly skilled,
Speaker 5: as a real passion for the game. You heard jg
Speaker 5: interact with him talking about playing cornerback. That's his position
Speaker 5: of expertise in particular, and so boom, there you go.
Speaker 5: You've got a guy who's your starting nickel corner in
Speaker 5: round three a year ago, just like you found a
Speaker 5: starting receiver in Michael Wilson in round three. So I mean, Dave,
Speaker 5: you've seen it for a long time. Now, you got
Speaker 5: all the pomp and circumstance goes to round one, but
Speaker 5: then you really start to build the foundation in your
Speaker 5: team beyond round one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I mean, think how many Hall of famers have been
Speaker 3: drafted outside the first round that were throwaways in the
Speaker 3: eyes of you know the draft builders and the media folks,
Speaker 3: and I think it was interesting what Mani said when
Speaker 3: he made the comment to Garrett about you're made of
Speaker 3: the stuff we're looking for. There's a type of person.
Speaker 3: I know you've said this one type of person as
Speaker 3: well as a type of player that they are looking for,
Speaker 3: whether it's first round, fourth round, seventh round, college free agents,
Speaker 3: there's a there's a culture that they're building. And so
Speaker 3: you weigh all the numbers and the stats and the
Speaker 3: forty times. You know, the reason JJ McCarthy is skyrocketed
Speaker 3: is because of the meetings at the combine, not just
Speaker 3: the performance stuff, but the meetings and you get with
Speaker 3: somebody and you know, does this guy make us better?
Speaker 3: Does he make people around him better? Is he a leader?
Speaker 3: And Garrett Williams had that and that's what everybody said
Speaker 3: about him at Syracuse the Alabama of Central New York.
Speaker 3: So you know it's what you doubt that.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna rip Syracuse.
Speaker 3: I think there are Look, there's always really good players.
Speaker 3: They get undervalued for for whatever reason. Maybe it's there
Speaker 3: was an injury and that's why they dropped, or there
Speaker 3: was a character question or a motor. Remember Klais Campbell,
Speaker 3: people thought, oh, yes, the guy. He's still around. So
Speaker 3: there's a you know, sometimes you maybe feel differently about
Speaker 3: a player, and I know it's it's a dangerous place
Speaker 3: to be sometimes as a scout to fuck get emotional
Speaker 3: about a player. But sometimes you see something that maybe
Speaker 3: nobody else sees. And the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: I know this because I talked to someone on that
Speaker 3: coaching staff that they saw something in brock person that
Speaker 3: they thought nobody else did, Like, we have to have
Speaker 3: this guy, this guy if things don't work out, whether
Speaker 3: they're other quarterbacks, if we need somebody, this guy can
Speaker 3: fit right in and lead and win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they still drafted him in the seventh ron.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, though there's still other you could have
Speaker 3: taken one hundred other guys. I'm just saying, when whether
Speaker 3: it's the first round or later, the point wolf is
Speaker 3: a lot of times you pick a guy because you
Speaker 3: feel a certain way about him because and it may
Speaker 3: not be because of his skill set. It may be because
Speaker 3: of his brain or the way he carries himself or leadership.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this is one of the reasons why I'm
Speaker 1: so bullish on Manti Assin for it, JG. Because guys,
Speaker 1: somebody in that room, whether it's MANI himself, whether it's
Speaker 1: JG or somebody very close by, somebody in that room
Speaker 1: has a clear cut idea of what he wants in
Speaker 1: a player, right the person of that player right there.
Speaker 1: And somebody can read people as well. Paul Ya, I've
Speaker 1: talked about this many times with you in the past, David,
Speaker 1: I haven't really had a chance to talk to you
Speaker 1: maybe as much about this. But my dad was really
Speaker 1: really good at reading people. Like he's a truck driver,
Speaker 1: that's all. He was. Drank a lot of coffee, drove
Speaker 1: a truck, right, But he was really good. He had
Speaker 1: one skill. He could read people and figure out. Have
Speaker 1: you ever been around people right now that had this
Speaker 1: inate ability to read whether a guy was giving you
Speaker 1: a bunch of garbage or whether he was on the
Speaker 1: up and up right. I think Manti Asin Fort and JG.
Speaker 1: I think one of those guys, or maybe even both
Speaker 1: of them have a good read on people and on players.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. They know what kind of player
Speaker 1: they want in their head, and they know it when
Speaker 1: they sit in front of them and see it.
Speaker 3: There's a winning intangible that these guys are looking for.
Speaker 3: I think MONI and JG in their mind, what makes
Speaker 3: this guy a winner? Meaning how does he help us win?
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying other gms and personnel and coaches
Speaker 3: don't do that, but they might do it differently.
Speaker 5: Over the course of last season, I came to define it.
Speaker 5: This is just my own opinion from minsorber and everything,
Speaker 5: like what are they looking for? I believe they're looking
Speaker 5: for a player who's one hundred percent serious about football, serious,
Speaker 5: no nonsense football player when it comes to the game
Speaker 5: and their love of the game, and will you play
Speaker 5: through injury not will you play through being banged up
Speaker 5: as opposed to a real injury, because look at free agency,
Speaker 5: a lot of guys that have played in a lot
Speaker 5: of games that haven't been in the league that long
Speaker 5: because they're available.
Speaker 3: And that goes to your point about you're searching for
Speaker 3: guys that help you win. The are all about ball ball.
Speaker 1: They love the game and they've got a great way
Speaker 1: of vetting that and finding out if you do.
Speaker 5: Guess what, last year you had two third round picks.
Speaker 5: This year you have three third round picks. Here's Lance Zerline,
Speaker 5: NFL dot Com draft analyst. Right, he was at the
Speaker 5: Combine and recently on Cardinals Cover two talking about the
Speaker 5: Cardinals potential moves outside the first round.
Speaker 14: You can play it both ways. When you're able to
Speaker 14: trade back and be smart about it in that draft capital,
Speaker 14: you can really maneuver the draft and play the draft
Speaker 14: game on Draft day intelligently. And it doesn't just end
Speaker 14: on the first round. I mean second, third rounds are
Speaker 14: This is where teams are built on Day two as well.
Speaker 5: I mean you're hoping bjo Jalai, for example, really takes
Speaker 5: that next step. He had an injury plague beginning to
Speaker 5: his NFL career. You saw how Garrett Williams came back
Speaker 5: from injury. Michael Wilson rebounded at the very end from
Speaker 5: some injury. So boom, you're trying to count on all
Speaker 5: the discus, Yes, sixth round or here's the thing. You
Speaker 5: know every single team has, even the Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 5: two times Super Bowl champs, they need receivers, they need corners.
Speaker 5: NFL dot Com list the Cardinals needs is receiver, corner, edge,
Speaker 5: running back, interior, offensive line.
Speaker 3: Isn't that everything? They just listed all the positions quarterback, But.
Speaker 5: You have eleven picks. I mean you gotta figure the
Speaker 5: Maniassavoard has a shopping list, right he's gonna be checking
Speaker 5: a few boxes at those positions in particular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I throw one in there as well? Paul?
Speaker 1: Did you say tight end? Blocking tight end? Did you
Speaker 1: say the knocking tight end right now? Honestly, I'd agree
Speaker 1: with that, really, Paul, Okay, be aware of that, right there?
Speaker 1: A blocking tight a true blocking tight end. Where do
Speaker 1: you think you could get a true maybe the best
Speaker 1: blocking tight end in the draft. Maybe you could go
Speaker 1: ahead and get that guy in the fourth round. Maybe
Speaker 1: you could. I mean, that's a situation. Or if you
Speaker 1: were just looking for that, and why would you want that, David,
Speaker 1: Because you have Trey McBride as well, You can go
Speaker 1: eleven personnel with Trey McBride, three wide receivers. Trey McBride
Speaker 1: is your tight end, James, or is your running back
Speaker 1: in rundown situation and you can run your offense. You
Speaker 1: can either run it or throw it. You can do
Speaker 1: either of that, use play action as well. Or you
Speaker 1: can go twelve personnel. You can get a true stud
Speaker 1: tight end. You can line them up on the tackles
Speaker 1: hip and then you can have the h the move
Speaker 1: tight end, that being Trey McBride. Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you've got a very good blocker and Trey McBride and
Speaker 1: the best blocking tight end in the draft. Now, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you want to improve your running game. PAULI,
Speaker 1: there you go, right there.
Speaker 3: Here's another question, and this I think can it doesn't
Speaker 3: necessarily have to be about rounds two through seven. Maybe
Speaker 3: it's at the end of the first round. How do
Speaker 3: you view your offensive line? Meaning are you all about
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take I want the best five guys on
Speaker 3: the field. So if he played tackle, but we think
Speaker 3: he can be a guard, we're gonna.
Speaker 1: Look at that.
Speaker 3: Graham Barden, there's a guy. And then also, you know,
Speaker 3: what do you think of John Gaines. We didn't get
Speaker 3: to see John games last year? How does he fit
Speaker 3: in if you're really high on him, how does that
Speaker 3: impact what you might do later in the draft.
Speaker 5: Remember the four draft classes before Manias and four, there
Speaker 5: are six players left and only six out of thirty
Speaker 5: two picks. They have hit the big red reset button
Speaker 5: in a big way. The Packers, for example, last year
Speaker 5: became the fourth youngest team to reach the playoffs and
Speaker 5: the youngest to win a playoff game since the merger.
Speaker 5: A year ago, they had thirteen picks. This year, the
Speaker 5: Packers have eleven picks. I think there's a method here
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Speaker 15: I think Pat probably deserved flip flops and a surfboard
Speaker 15: somewhere in some Oakley shorts, and I had a real
Speaker 15: nice golden hair, and that's it. Like playing football. Never
Speaker 15: seemed like he should be there until he put on
Speaker 15: his paths, put on his pass.
Speaker 1: A different person showed him.
Speaker 5: I understand, you hit pretty hard.
Speaker 4: In the middle of the finger that balls in play
Speaker 4: wow off comes, But hilmet of the intended receiver as
Speaker 4: he gets crushed back there by Pat Tilban, Patton Tilban
Speaker 4: the blade.
Speaker 7: He knocked him right in the helmet with a forearm
Speaker 7: and just slapped that helmet off. Even as a rookie,
Speaker 7: we used to have to call him off, you know,
Speaker 7: some some practices we were, you know, just fit up
Speaker 7: on the guy with the ball. But he would come
Speaker 7: in and demolish the guys, which was a really good tactic,
Speaker 7: and it worked out great for him because they got
Speaker 7: the coach's attention, and.
Speaker 16: He brought that same kind of f you mentality to
Speaker 16: the Cardinals. I mean, rookies dope hit receivers in Ota days,
Speaker 16: but he would lay some wood on a guy or
Speaker 16: like put an elbow in him and get in fights,
Speaker 16: and he really up the competitiveness during practice. Guys didn't
Speaker 16: like him because he would hit you or rough you up,
Speaker 16: or do what he whatever he felt he needed to
Speaker 16: work on, and they ended up respecting him because it
Speaker 16: made everybody's level come up.
Speaker 5: He was a tone setter, and later Pat Tillman would
Speaker 5: admit to as much it was by design. He was
Speaker 5: a seventh round pick. He was picked number two, twenty
Speaker 5: six overall. Guess what the years on a cardinal zone
Speaker 5: the two hundred and twenty sixth overall pick this year
Speaker 5: in the seventh round. This week also marks the twentieth
Speaker 5: anniversary of the passing of Pat Tillman, who was killed
Speaker 5: in combat. If you go and search Cardinals, folk Tales
Speaker 5: legendary locker, you can hear much more where that came from.
Speaker 5: Just a little clip about Pat Tillman and Ron Wolfully.
Speaker 5: The two of us are old enough to remember when
Speaker 5: he showed up on the scene a rookie in ninety
Speaker 5: eight and how we started multiple fights because there were
Speaker 5: half thud drills that he would go all out because
Speaker 5: he knew once again he had to set a tone.
Speaker 5: He had to catch the attention to the coaches.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't only that poll, it was just Pat
Speaker 1: himself right. Well, all know he had one speed. Yep,
Speaker 1: he was going to put that mouthguard on, he was
Speaker 1: going to button that bonnet up, and he was going
Speaker 1: to go out on that field and if he was
Speaker 1: in between those white lines, you were going to get
Speaker 1: everything you deserved on the football field. He knew one
Speaker 1: speed and it's one of the reasons why we love
Speaker 1: them all so much.
Speaker 5: And our special guest tonight here in studio for this
Speaker 5: Big Red Rage was the night before the NFL Draft
Speaker 5: edition brought to you by Santan Ford and Gilbert As
Speaker 5: Dave Pash, who was there when the Cardinals made Larry
Speaker 5: Fitzgerald the number three pick overall twenty years ago, think.
Speaker 3: About thanks for making me feel old. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: you guys are talking about ninety eight. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: ninety eight to two thousand and two or two thousand
Speaker 3: and four when fitz was picked, feels like one hundred
Speaker 3: year difference, and you think about's really only a.
Speaker 1: Year, especially though when you start with the nineteen.
Speaker 5: Do you think the fact the Red Sea is so
Speaker 5: in favor of Marvin Harrison Junior. My theory is because
Speaker 5: it reminds them of Larry Fitzgerald as someone who called
Speaker 5: a lot of his games at Ohio State and pretty familiar,
Speaker 5: much more than we are with Marvin Harrison Junior. Do
Speaker 5: you think he's just a reminder of the Red Sea
Speaker 5: and that's why they seem to be so all in
Speaker 5: on Marvin Harrison Junior before the draft has even started.
Speaker 3: It's hard not to look at Marvin Harrison Junior and
Speaker 3: see some similarities the contested catches is the biggest thing
Speaker 3: that comes to mind because fits we all know. Sorry Larry,
Speaker 3: but you weren't a burner. You didn't run by everybody
Speaker 3: in college, but you caught everything, and you caught everything
Speaker 3: in traffic. Every contested fifty to fifty ball you won.
Speaker 3: That's the same thing with Marvin Harrison. Now you do
Speaker 3: see Marvin get by people, but I don't. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: put him in the category of a burner. He's just
Speaker 3: a great player. He's a great all around football player,
Speaker 3: and he makes the contested catches look easy a lot
Speaker 3: like Larry did.
Speaker 1: Yeah for me, Paul, I think Roma Dunza is a
Speaker 1: better fit, a better comp to Larry Fitzgerald than Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior. Interesting, I think Roma Dunza as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, Roma Dunze a football player through and throw.
Speaker 1: And never forget Larry Fitzgerald getting jumped by Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: and that first week. Remember that first week in training
Speaker 1: gap and Bruce Arians took the opportunity to jump Larry
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald in Larry was not blocking as well as BA
Speaker 1: wanted to see him block. Larry was a football player
Speaker 1: through and through. He truly was. He could get it done.
Speaker 1: He was much better as a blocker from that point
Speaker 1: forward then we've ever seen him. And he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to admit that, but it's true. Larry was a football
Speaker 1: player and Roma Dunzay is a football player as well.
Speaker 1: And you know what, when you look at them, both
Speaker 1: these guys, their frames are very similar. Larry's got a
Speaker 1: lot of button SODA's Rome.
Speaker 5: And we found out later brew Serians was holding Larry
Speaker 5: accountable because you could hold the legend accountable. As the
Speaker 5: new head coach in town, then guess what can go?
Speaker 5: Everyone can be held accountable. That's the word we've heard
Speaker 5: old coaching from Jonathan Gannon amani Us and for time
Speaker 5: and time again. In fact, on the Dave Past podcast,
Speaker 5: mani Us and Ford reflected on what was like to
Speaker 5: sit in that GM chair during the draft for the
Speaker 5: first time.
Speaker 1: In the past.
Speaker 12: You prepare for a draft and you're like, man, I
Speaker 12: hope this happens. I think we should do this. But
Speaker 12: now it's there's no more I think we should do this.
Speaker 12: It's we're going to do this. And that's a big
Speaker 12: mantle to take on, you know, And so you know,
Speaker 12: I think for me personally, like the thing that really
Speaker 12: helped me over that that first hour of the draft
Speaker 12: where there was there was so much action as we
Speaker 12: were prepared and our group of individuals upstairs, we were ready,
Speaker 12: and you know, things didn't happen exactly the way we
Speaker 12: thought they would, but we had also talked at nauseum
Speaker 12: about different ways that things could happen, and we were ready.
Speaker 12: We reacted, and you know, ultimately I think we made
Speaker 12: decisions that were good for the team.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question, PAULI that Manti asin Fort,
Speaker 3: Dave Sears, the staff, Jonathan Gannon, they have gone through
Speaker 3: every possible scenario knowing that there will be a surpriser too.
Speaker 3: But I guarantee you they have spent hours upon hours
Speaker 3: of mock drafts and mock trade scenarios to make sure
Speaker 3: that they are fully prepared for what could happen.
Speaker 5: And it come full circle. It was hard not to
Speaker 5: notice the Chargers GM this week saying quote, we believe
Speaker 5: we have the first pick in the draft, meaning he
Speaker 5: thinks quarterbacks are going one through right, which means, let's
Speaker 5: translate that the Cardinals are trading out. But then you
Speaker 5: saw a report in the Boston Herald that the Patriots
Speaker 5: have said no, all the offers we've received are laughable. Translation,
Speaker 5: up your offers if you want number three. So today's point,
Speaker 5: Maybe it's the Patriots who trade out and try and
Speaker 5: cash it in before the Cardinals even have that opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just said, there's one problem with that. The
Speaker 1: Patriots are in desperate need.
Speaker 3: They are a quarterback, yes, and the odds makers are.
Speaker 3: It's so hard to know because unless you're in the room,
Speaker 3: you're not getting correct information. So is Jadeen Daniels really
Speaker 3: going to It seems that way. Everybody seems to think
Speaker 3: it's happening, but we don't know. Yes, what if it's
Speaker 3: Drake May? And now that maybe changes what happens.
Speaker 5: At three at the league meetings, Tom Pellisia reported at
Speaker 5: nauseum that it's JJ McCarthy, who's the favorite quarterback in Washington.
Speaker 5: So who knows what? And it's why the TV ratings
Speaker 5: are through the roof, It's why it's being carried on
Speaker 5: four different networks. It's the original reality TV.
Speaker 1: And once again, though all of these stories, you have
Speaker 1: to decipher who benefits from this this leak's story. Who's
Speaker 1: the guy that benefit is the beneficiary? And who's the
Speaker 1: guy that suffers from this. You have to figure it
Speaker 1: out because you know then you can determine where the
Speaker 1: source is coming from. Because what mass drafts uptor fuge
Speaker 1: is real. You say things to try to mislead people.
Speaker 1: You do anything you can to actually keep people guessing
Speaker 1: as to what it is you're gonna do. I mean,
Speaker 1: the agents are involved in it. It's just a mess
Speaker 1: this time of all.
Speaker 3: All you have to do is remember what happened last year.
Speaker 3: Everybody said, oh CJ. Stroud, red flags, question marks. I
Speaker 3: think they're trying to trade out from two. They're not
Speaker 3: going to take Stroud. Guess what happened.
Speaker 1: CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud not only had the best rookie season, but he
Speaker 3: also great leader, terrific person. All the things that people
Speaker 3: said he wasn't he is. So who started all that stuff?
Speaker 3: How did its steamroll to the point where exactly people
Speaker 3: were thinking this isn't going to happen for him?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 5: And keep your eye within the division because Gino Smith
Speaker 5: is on a glorified one year deal. Matthew Stafford has
Speaker 5: no guaranteed money after this coming season. A lot of
Speaker 5: people think that the Rams and Seahawks might make a
Speaker 5: play for a quarterback. We'll see it all goes down
Speaker 5: tomorrow night. Please join us out of the draft party
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Speaker 5: all the info. Jim on one hundred, Thank you, Cody Fincher,
Speaker 5: Matt Lazarus, Dave Pash, thanks for coming down. This has
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