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Speaker 5: armed with more than enough reports and rumors and speculation

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Speaker 5: twas the night before the NFL Draft. Here on the

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Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely one of the two that you don't

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what are you talking about, David.

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Speaker 5: You're over there texting.

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Speaker 3: You're over there like having these conversations on these text

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 1: You know what to right now, though, honestly, there's so

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Speaker 1: much information that is out there right, all of this

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Speaker 1: information right now, Paul. I know, Paul, I know how

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Speaker 1: you get right. This really bounds you up, Paul, that

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Speaker 1: tightens you up right now and you just want to

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Speaker 1: going on. Right now. But this is it, This is

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Speaker 1: here we are, guys. We are on the eve of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Man, what an awesome, awesome situation that is.

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Speaker 5: I think was the old Mad Max movies they used

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Speaker 5: to say, welcome to Thunderdome, Welcome to the pivot point

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Speaker 5: of the NFL Draft. Pick number four, the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: And if we refer to State Farm Stadium as the nest,

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Speaker 5: catbird seed, can you not? Nobody really knows what the

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Speaker 5: And you know what's silly season When two months ago

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Speaker 5: anything and everything, but Dave, listen to Daniel Jeremiah. Okay,

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Speaker 6: This is a set your franchise up situation here for

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Speaker 1: And we all know the top one oh four matters,

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Speaker 5: Or late to a former fourth rounder nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 1: You've got to throw in nineteen eighty five pick number

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Speaker 3: First of all, ninety five percent of our listeners weren't

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Speaker 5: What do you think, Wolf, You got a gut feel,

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Speaker 5: You got a gut feel for this one, Cary.

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Speaker 1: Do you know this is just my feeling on this one,

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Speaker 3: I think it comes down to this, doesn't it. If

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Speaker 5: What if I told you that Marvin Harrison Junior met

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Speaker 8: When I look at how many selections you have in

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Speaker 8: What if there's a trade out scenario like last year,

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Speaker 8: You know what if there's a situation where you're willing

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Speaker 3: I had Ohio State's bowl game and now Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 1: Right now, listen, what's the old saying. Nature abhors a vacuum,

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Speaker 1: And guess what, Scouts abhor ties. They can't stand it,

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Speaker 1: he's got it lined up one, two, and three. Who

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Speaker 1: Who knows?

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Speaker 5: Right now there's two first round picks for the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: See now, once again, Paul, do you buy that right there? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: That's why you wait, because you don't know if New

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Speaker 5: What here's my ideal scenario. The New York Giants, who

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Speaker 3: and sometimes the grade you may or may not have

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Speaker 3: made sense. Where I think now there's a lot more

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Speaker 3: discussion about, well, how does he fit our team, how

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Speaker 3: does he fit our culture? And so if there's more

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Speaker 3: than just oh wow, this guy's a great talent, he

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Speaker 3: runs a great I'm not saying this is what Steve did. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: the Steve had a great run as GM here for

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Speaker 3: a long time and made a lot of good picks.

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Speaker 3: So I don't want to sit here and bash the

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Speaker 3: old system. But it's just different. The way they're looking

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Speaker 3: at players are different, and I think how it fits

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Speaker 3: the team and the culture and the staff and the

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Speaker 3: scheme and all that stuff plays a big role. And

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Speaker 3: there if there's Mike, you think about Mike Evans, Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 3: guys that were drafted in the top ten at receiver,

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Speaker 3: you have a chance to get a home run, unless

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Speaker 3: you think the three guys are pretty similar, or you think,

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Speaker 3: you know what, there's a guy Brian Thomas, Keon Coleman,

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Speaker 3: the kid at South Carolina that you know what, we

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Speaker 3: could get that guy late first round who's just as good.

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Speaker 3: We just don't know where Many's thinking is right now.

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Speaker 1: You know the great part about this if you are

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Speaker 1: manni Asenfort the Arizona Cardinals, though you're sitting in Paul,

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Speaker 1: you said at the cat bird Seed listen, is your

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Speaker 1: consolation price, Marvin Harrison Junior, that's your consolation prize? Or

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Speaker 1: you know are you're gonna get a truckload, a boatload

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Speaker 1: of draft picks. You know, we're talking about six in

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Speaker 1: the top ninety, you know, seven in the top one

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Speaker 1: oh four because we all know one four is important anyways,

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Speaker 1: So once again we're talking about that. What if you

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Speaker 1: added more picks as well? This is that a possibility? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is, and they could be not only quantity of pick,

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Speaker 1: which is something Many loves. He loves just like the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. They love quantity because it allows you to

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Speaker 1: get a better percentage of a hit rate to hit on.

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Speaker 1: Some of these players because of that.

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Speaker 3: Remember when the Jets took Sauce Gardner a couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago, and everybody was going to the draft saying,

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Speaker 3: you know what, the Jets should trade down because people

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Speaker 3: are gonna want to go up and get a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They didn't.

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Speaker 3: They took sauce Gardner and he totally changed their team.

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Speaker 3: Now they had other good players on their defense, but

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Speaker 3: like that changed it. That put them over the top.

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Speaker 3: So again, if you think Marvin Harrison or Malik Neighbors

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Speaker 3: or Joe Walt or Romo Dunese, whoever it is, at four,

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Speaker 3: you think this person changes us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you make that pick. Yes, and I would agree

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Speaker 1: with that unless you get offered something. You can't say

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Speaker 1: no to David. That's once again there's I think MANI

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Speaker 1: is sitting in the cat bird seat as Paul is

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Speaker 1: talking about, because I don't see a downside.

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Speaker 5: Do you see the info that ESPN threw out there

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Speaker 5: that over the was from two thousand to twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 5: they evaluated the hit rates of all the position groups

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Speaker 5: in the NFL draft. You know what had the worst

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Speaker 5: wide receiver by far?

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Speaker 3: I believe that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that gives anyone pause, but once again,

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Speaker 5: I go back to that question, how does this regime

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Speaker 5: value the wide receiver position? Do they go as far

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Speaker 5: as full overall?

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Speaker 1: And what I love about it is how do they

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Speaker 1: value a football player and how do they identify a

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Speaker 1: football player? I think they know what a football player

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Speaker 1: looks like, even at wide receiver, and that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: confident if they pick it, he's a football player.

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Speaker 5: Because let's see you trade with the Giants and you

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Speaker 5: get that extra second round pick. There are a lot

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Speaker 5: of mock drafts. You know who's available on that number

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Speaker 5: forty seven slot. Braden Fisk standout, d Liman Jackson, Powers Johnson,

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Speaker 5: a franchise center.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of buss overall in the first

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Speaker 1: round as well.

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Speaker 5: PAULI Hey, Cardinal season tickets, premium seating, luxury seating. Go

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Speaker 5: to Asycardinals dot com slash tickets. We continue with a

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Speaker 5: big red rage presented by Santan forward in Gilbert.

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Speaker 1: How you doing man? Doing good?

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Speaker 13: Congratulations, appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: You come in here and deny the ball or what?

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Speaker 13: Oh yeah, I know I know it. How you're doing

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Speaker 13: this is Mantias support for the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Get there. What are you doing?

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Speaker 7: Where you at I'm gonna sell it, man, I'm gonna

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Speaker 7: Charlot Nook fell on.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you got some people around you, you hang Who

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Speaker 13: are you hanging out with?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 2: My family, my friends, all that.

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Speaker 13: Man, you got your family and your friends. Well, guess

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Speaker 13: what you're about to tell you. You're gonna be an

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Speaker 13: Arizona Cardinal.

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Speaker 1: Buddy.

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Speaker 8: Yes, let's do it, man, let's do it.

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Speaker 13: We are. We are excited that we're gonna get you

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Speaker 13: in here. You remember, you remember that meeting we have,

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Speaker 13: We get the combine, the man you're made of the

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Speaker 13: stuff that we're working for.

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Speaker 9: But with the seventy second pick in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 9: three NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select Garrett Williams defensive back.

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Speaker 5: Safe. It's great stuff and we had Garrett Williams. The

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Speaker 5: pleasure of having Garrett Williams on this show, The Big

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Speaker 5: Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert we Are

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Speaker 5: santan Ford, Paul calvec Ron Wolfley, special guest Dave Pash

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Speaker 5: more than two decades as the voice of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 5: and Garrett Williams remembered that meeting at the Combine vividly

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Speaker 5: and then to hear Jonathan Gannon talk about it later

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Speaker 5: during his TV show Wolf. He told the story was

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Speaker 5: the very last interview of that day. They've gone through

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Speaker 5: like three or four dozen player interviews, fifteen minutes at

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Speaker 5: a time. They are beyond exhausted, and Garrett Williams walked

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Speaker 5: into the room and within a couple of minutes they

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Speaker 5: were on the edge of their seat. They were perked up.

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Speaker 5: They realized, you know what, it's kid's highly intelligent, highly skilled,

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Speaker 5: as a real passion for the game. You heard jg

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Speaker 5: interact with him talking about playing cornerback. That's his position

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Speaker 5: of expertise in particular, and so boom, there you go.

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Speaker 5: You've got a guy who's your starting nickel corner in

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Speaker 5: round three a year ago, just like you found a

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Speaker 5: starting receiver in Michael Wilson in round three. So I mean, Dave,

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Speaker 5: you've seen it for a long time. Now, you got

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Speaker 5: all the pomp and circumstance goes to round one, but

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Speaker 5: then you really start to build the foundation in your

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Speaker 5: team beyond round one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, think how many Hall of famers have been

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Speaker 3: drafted outside the first round that were throwaways in the

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Speaker 3: eyes of you know the draft builders and the media folks,

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Speaker 3: and I think it was interesting what Mani said when

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Speaker 3: he made the comment to Garrett about you're made of

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Speaker 3: the stuff we're looking for. There's a type of person.

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Speaker 3: I know you've said this one type of person as

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Speaker 3: well as a type of player that they are looking for,

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Speaker 3: whether it's first round, fourth round, seventh round, college free agents,

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Speaker 3: there's a there's a culture that they're building. And so

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Speaker 3: you weigh all the numbers and the stats and the

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Speaker 3: forty times. You know, the reason JJ McCarthy is skyrocketed

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Speaker 3: is because of the meetings at the combine, not just

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Speaker 3: the performance stuff, but the meetings and you get with

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Speaker 3: somebody and you know, does this guy make us better?

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Speaker 3: Does he make people around him better? Is he a leader?

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Speaker 3: And Garrett Williams had that and that's what everybody said

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Speaker 3: about him at Syracuse the Alabama of Central New York.

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Speaker 3: So you know it's what you doubt that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna rip Syracuse.

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Speaker 3: I think there are Look, there's always really good players.

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Speaker 3: They get undervalued for for whatever reason. Maybe it's there

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Speaker 3: was an injury and that's why they dropped, or there

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Speaker 3: was a character question or a motor. Remember Klais Campbell,

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Speaker 3: people thought, oh, yes, the guy. He's still around. So

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Speaker 3: there's a you know, sometimes you maybe feel differently about

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Speaker 3: a player, and I know it's it's a dangerous place

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Speaker 3: to be sometimes as a scout to fuck get emotional

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Speaker 3: about a player. But sometimes you see something that maybe

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Speaker 3: nobody else sees. And the San Francisco forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: I know this because I talked to someone on that

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Speaker 3: coaching staff that they saw something in brock person that

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Speaker 3: they thought nobody else did, Like, we have to have

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Speaker 3: this guy, this guy if things don't work out, whether

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Speaker 3: they're other quarterbacks, if we need somebody, this guy can

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Speaker 3: fit right in and lead and win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they still drafted him in the seventh ron.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, though there's still other you could have

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Speaker 3: taken one hundred other guys. I'm just saying, when whether

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Speaker 3: it's the first round or later, the point wolf is

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Speaker 3: a lot of times you pick a guy because you

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Speaker 3: feel a certain way about him because and it may

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Speaker 3: not be because of his skill set. It may be because

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Speaker 3: of his brain or the way he carries himself or leadership.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and this is one of the reasons why I'm

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Speaker 1: so bullish on Manti Assin for it, JG. Because guys,

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Speaker 1: somebody in that room, whether it's MANI himself, whether it's

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Speaker 1: JG or somebody very close by, somebody in that room

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Speaker 1: has a clear cut idea of what he wants in

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Speaker 1: a player, right the person of that player right there.

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Speaker 1: And somebody can read people as well. Paul Ya, I've

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Speaker 1: talked about this many times with you in the past, David,

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Speaker 1: I haven't really had a chance to talk to you

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Speaker 1: maybe as much about this. But my dad was really

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Speaker 1: really good at reading people. Like he's a truck driver,

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Speaker 1: that's all. He was. Drank a lot of coffee, drove

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Speaker 1: a truck, right, But he was really good. He had

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Speaker 1: one skill. He could read people and figure out. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever been around people right now that had this

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Speaker 1: inate ability to read whether a guy was giving you

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Speaker 1: a bunch of garbage or whether he was on the

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Speaker 1: up and up right. I think Manti Asin Fort and JG.

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Speaker 1: I think one of those guys, or maybe even both

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Speaker 1: of them have a good read on people and on players.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing. They know what kind of player

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Speaker 1: they want in their head, and they know it when

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Speaker 1: they sit in front of them and see it.

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Speaker 3: There's a winning intangible that these guys are looking for.

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Speaker 3: I think MONI and JG in their mind, what makes

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Speaker 3: this guy a winner? Meaning how does he help us win?

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying other gms and personnel and coaches

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Speaker 3: don't do that, but they might do it differently.

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Speaker 5: Over the course of last season, I came to define it.

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Speaker 5: This is just my own opinion from minsorber and everything,

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Speaker 5: like what are they looking for? I believe they're looking

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Speaker 5: for a player who's one hundred percent serious about football, serious,

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Speaker 5: no nonsense football player when it comes to the game

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Speaker 5: and their love of the game, and will you play

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Speaker 5: through injury not will you play through being banged up

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Speaker 5: as opposed to a real injury, because look at free agency,

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Speaker 5: a lot of guys that have played in a lot

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Speaker 5: of games that haven't been in the league that long

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Speaker 5: because they're available.

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Speaker 3: And that goes to your point about you're searching for

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Speaker 3: guys that help you win. The are all about ball ball.

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Speaker 1: They love the game and they've got a great way

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Speaker 1: of vetting that and finding out if you do.

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Speaker 5: Guess what, last year you had two third round picks.

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Speaker 5: This year you have three third round picks. Here's Lance Zerline,

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Speaker 5: NFL dot Com draft analyst. Right, he was at the

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Speaker 5: Combine and recently on Cardinals Cover two talking about the

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Speaker 5: Cardinals potential moves outside the first round.

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Speaker 14: You can play it both ways. When you're able to

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Speaker 14: trade back and be smart about it in that draft capital,

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Speaker 14: you can really maneuver the draft and play the draft

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Speaker 14: game on Draft day intelligently. And it doesn't just end

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Speaker 14: on the first round. I mean second, third rounds are

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Speaker 14: This is where teams are built on Day two as well.

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Speaker 5: I mean you're hoping bjo Jalai, for example, really takes

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Speaker 5: that next step. He had an injury plague beginning to

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Speaker 5: his NFL career. You saw how Garrett Williams came back

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Speaker 5: from injury. Michael Wilson rebounded at the very end from

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Speaker 5: some injury. So boom, you're trying to count on all

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Speaker 5: the discus, Yes, sixth round or here's the thing. You

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Speaker 5: know every single team has, even the Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 5: two times Super Bowl champs, they need receivers, they need corners.

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Speaker 5: NFL dot Com list the Cardinals needs is receiver, corner, edge,

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Speaker 5: running back, interior, offensive line.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that everything? They just listed all the positions quarterback, But.

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Speaker 5: You have eleven picks. I mean you gotta figure the

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Speaker 5: Maniassavoard has a shopping list, right he's gonna be checking

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Speaker 5: a few boxes at those positions in particular.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can I throw one in there as well? Paul?

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Speaker 1: Did you say tight end? Blocking tight end? Did you

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Speaker 1: say the knocking tight end right now? Honestly, I'd agree

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Speaker 1: with that, really, Paul, Okay, be aware of that, right there?

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Speaker 1: A blocking tight a true blocking tight end. Where do

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Speaker 1: you think you could get a true maybe the best

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Speaker 1: blocking tight end in the draft. Maybe you could go

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Speaker 1: ahead and get that guy in the fourth round. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you could. I mean, that's a situation. Or if you

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Speaker 1: were just looking for that, and why would you want that, David,

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Speaker 1: Because you have Trey McBride as well, You can go

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Speaker 1: eleven personnel with Trey McBride, three wide receivers. Trey McBride

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Speaker 1: is your tight end, James, or is your running back

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Speaker 1: in rundown situation and you can run your offense. You

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Speaker 1: can either run it or throw it. You can do

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Speaker 1: either of that, use play action as well. Or you

686
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Speaker 1: can go twelve personnel. You can get a true stud

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Speaker 1: tight end. You can line them up on the tackles

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Speaker 1: hip and then you can have the h the move

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Speaker 1: tight end, that being Trey McBride. Now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you've got a very good blocker and Trey McBride and

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Speaker 1: the best blocking tight end in the draft. Now, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you want to improve your running game. PAULI,

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Speaker 1: there you go, right there.

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Speaker 3: Here's another question, and this I think can it doesn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily have to be about rounds two through seven. Maybe

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Speaker 3: it's at the end of the first round. How do

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Speaker 3: you view your offensive line? Meaning are you all about

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take I want the best five guys on

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Speaker 3: the field. So if he played tackle, but we think

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Speaker 3: he can be a guard, we're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Look at that.

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Speaker 3: Graham Barden, there's a guy. And then also, you know,

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Speaker 3: what do you think of John Gaines. We didn't get

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Speaker 3: to see John games last year? How does he fit

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Speaker 3: in if you're really high on him, how does that

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Speaker 3: impact what you might do later in the draft.

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Speaker 5: Remember the four draft classes before Manias and four, there

708
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Speaker 5: are six players left and only six out of thirty

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Speaker 5: two picks. They have hit the big red reset button

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Speaker 5: in a big way. The Packers, for example, last year

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Speaker 5: became the fourth youngest team to reach the playoffs and

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Speaker 5: the youngest to win a playoff game since the merger.

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Speaker 5: A year ago, they had thirteen picks. This year, the

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Speaker 5: Packers have eleven picks. I think there's a method here

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Speaker 15: I think Pat probably deserved flip flops and a surfboard

724
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Speaker 15: somewhere in some Oakley shorts, and I had a real

725
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Speaker 15: nice golden hair, and that's it. Like playing football. Never

726
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Speaker 15: seemed like he should be there until he put on

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Speaker 15: his paths, put on his pass.

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Speaker 1: A different person showed him.

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Speaker 5: I understand, you hit pretty hard.

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Speaker 4: In the middle of the finger that balls in play

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Speaker 4: wow off comes, But hilmet of the intended receiver as

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Speaker 4: he gets crushed back there by Pat Tilban, Patton Tilban

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Speaker 4: the blade.

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Speaker 7: He knocked him right in the helmet with a forearm

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Speaker 7: and just slapped that helmet off. Even as a rookie,

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Speaker 7: we used to have to call him off, you know,

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Speaker 7: some some practices we were, you know, just fit up

738
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Speaker 7: on the guy with the ball. But he would come

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Speaker 7: in and demolish the guys, which was a really good tactic,

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Speaker 7: and it worked out great for him because they got

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Speaker 7: the coach's attention, and.

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Speaker 16: He brought that same kind of f you mentality to

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Speaker 16: the Cardinals. I mean, rookies dope hit receivers in Ota days,

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Speaker 16: but he would lay some wood on a guy or

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Speaker 16: like put an elbow in him and get in fights,

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Speaker 16: and he really up the competitiveness during practice. Guys didn't

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Speaker 16: like him because he would hit you or rough you up,

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Speaker 16: or do what he whatever he felt he needed to

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Speaker 16: work on, and they ended up respecting him because it

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Speaker 16: made everybody's level come up.

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Speaker 5: He was a tone setter, and later Pat Tillman would

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Speaker 5: admit to as much it was by design. He was

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Speaker 5: a seventh round pick. He was picked number two, twenty

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Speaker 5: six overall. Guess what the years on a cardinal zone

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Speaker 5: the two hundred and twenty sixth overall pick this year

756
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Speaker 5: in the seventh round. This week also marks the twentieth

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Speaker 5: anniversary of the passing of Pat Tillman, who was killed

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Speaker 5: in combat. If you go and search Cardinals, folk Tales

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Speaker 5: legendary locker, you can hear much more where that came from.

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Speaker 5: Just a little clip about Pat Tillman and Ron Wolfully.

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Speaker 5: The two of us are old enough to remember when

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Speaker 5: he showed up on the scene a rookie in ninety

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Speaker 5: eight and how we started multiple fights because there were

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Speaker 5: half thud drills that he would go all out because

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Speaker 5: he knew once again he had to set a tone.

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Speaker 5: He had to catch the attention to the coaches.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't only that poll, it was just Pat

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Speaker 1: himself right. Well, all know he had one speed. Yep,

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Speaker 1: he was going to put that mouthguard on, he was

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Speaker 1: going to button that bonnet up, and he was going

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Speaker 1: to go out on that field and if he was

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Speaker 1: in between those white lines, you were going to get

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Speaker 1: everything you deserved on the football field. He knew one

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Speaker 1: speed and it's one of the reasons why we love

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Speaker 1: them all so much.

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Speaker 5: And our special guest tonight here in studio for this

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Speaker 5: Big Red Rage was the night before the NFL Draft

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Speaker 5: edition brought to you by Santan Ford and Gilbert As

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Speaker 5: Dave Pash, who was there when the Cardinals made Larry

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Speaker 5: Fitzgerald the number three pick overall twenty years ago, think.

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Speaker 3: About thanks for making me feel old. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 3: you guys are talking about ninety eight. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: ninety eight to two thousand and two or two thousand

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Speaker 3: and four when fitz was picked, feels like one hundred

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Speaker 3: year difference, and you think about's really only a.

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Speaker 1: Year, especially though when you start with the nineteen.

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Speaker 5: Do you think the fact the Red Sea is so

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Speaker 5: in favor of Marvin Harrison Junior. My theory is because

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Speaker 5: it reminds them of Larry Fitzgerald as someone who called

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Speaker 5: a lot of his games at Ohio State and pretty familiar,

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Speaker 5: much more than we are with Marvin Harrison Junior. Do

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Speaker 5: you think he's just a reminder of the Red Sea

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Speaker 5: and that's why they seem to be so all in

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Speaker 5: on Marvin Harrison Junior before the draft has even started.

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Speaker 3: It's hard not to look at Marvin Harrison Junior and

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Speaker 3: see some similarities the contested catches is the biggest thing

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Speaker 3: that comes to mind because fits we all know. Sorry Larry,

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Speaker 3: but you weren't a burner. You didn't run by everybody

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Speaker 3: in college, but you caught everything, and you caught everything

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Speaker 3: in traffic. Every contested fifty to fifty ball you won.

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Speaker 3: That's the same thing with Marvin Harrison. Now you do

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Speaker 3: see Marvin get by people, but I don't. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: put him in the category of a burner. He's just

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Speaker 3: a great player. He's a great all around football player,

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Speaker 3: and he makes the contested catches look easy a lot

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Speaker 3: like Larry did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for me, Paul, I think Roma Dunza is a

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Speaker 1: better fit, a better comp to Larry Fitzgerald than Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison Junior. Interesting, I think Roma Dunza as a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, Roma Dunze a football player through and throw.

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Speaker 1: And never forget Larry Fitzgerald getting jumped by Bruce Arians

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Speaker 1: and that first week. Remember that first week in training

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Speaker 1: gap and Bruce Arians took the opportunity to jump Larry

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Speaker 1: Fitzgerald in Larry was not blocking as well as BA

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Speaker 1: wanted to see him block. Larry was a football player

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Speaker 1: through and through. He truly was. He could get it done.

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Speaker 1: He was much better as a blocker from that point

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Speaker 1: forward then we've ever seen him. And he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to admit that, but it's true. Larry was a football

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Speaker 1: player and Roma Dunzay is a football player as well.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, when you look at them, both

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Speaker 1: these guys, their frames are very similar. Larry's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of button SODA's Rome.

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Speaker 5: And we found out later brew Serians was holding Larry

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Speaker 5: accountable because you could hold the legend accountable. As the

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Speaker 5: new head coach in town, then guess what can go?

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Speaker 5: Everyone can be held accountable. That's the word we've heard

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Speaker 5: old coaching from Jonathan Gannon amani Us and for time

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Speaker 5: and time again. In fact, on the Dave Past podcast,

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Speaker 5: mani Us and Ford reflected on what was like to

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Speaker 5: sit in that GM chair during the draft for the

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Speaker 5: first time.

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Speaker 1: In the past.

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Speaker 12: You prepare for a draft and you're like, man, I

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Speaker 12: hope this happens. I think we should do this. But

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Speaker 12: now it's there's no more I think we should do this.

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Speaker 12: It's we're going to do this. And that's a big

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Speaker 12: mantle to take on, you know, And so you know,

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Speaker 12: I think for me personally, like the thing that really

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Speaker 12: helped me over that that first hour of the draft

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Speaker 12: where there was there was so much action as we

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Speaker 12: were prepared and our group of individuals upstairs, we were ready,

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Speaker 12: and you know, things didn't happen exactly the way we

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Speaker 12: thought they would, but we had also talked at nauseum

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Speaker 12: about different ways that things could happen, and we were ready.

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Speaker 12: We reacted, and you know, ultimately I think we made

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Speaker 12: decisions that were good for the team.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question, PAULI that Manti asin Fort,

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Speaker 3: Dave Sears, the staff, Jonathan Gannon, they have gone through

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Speaker 3: every possible scenario knowing that there will be a surpriser too.

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Speaker 3: But I guarantee you they have spent hours upon hours

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Speaker 3: of mock drafts and mock trade scenarios to make sure

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Speaker 3: that they are fully prepared for what could happen.

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Speaker 5: And it come full circle. It was hard not to

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Speaker 5: notice the Chargers GM this week saying quote, we believe

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Speaker 5: we have the first pick in the draft, meaning he

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Speaker 5: thinks quarterbacks are going one through right, which means, let's

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Speaker 5: translate that the Cardinals are trading out. But then you

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Speaker 5: saw a report in the Boston Herald that the Patriots

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Speaker 5: have said no, all the offers we've received are laughable. Translation,

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Speaker 5: up your offers if you want number three. So today's point,

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's the Patriots who trade out and try and

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Speaker 5: cash it in before the Cardinals even have that opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just said, there's one problem with that. The

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Speaker 1: Patriots are in desperate need.

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Speaker 3: They are a quarterback, yes, and the odds makers are.

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Speaker 3: It's so hard to know because unless you're in the room,

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Speaker 3: you're not getting correct information. So is Jadeen Daniels really

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Speaker 3: going to It seems that way. Everybody seems to think

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Speaker 3: it's happening, but we don't know. Yes, what if it's

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Speaker 3: Drake May? And now that maybe changes what happens.

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Speaker 5: At three at the league meetings, Tom Pellisia reported at

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Speaker 5: nauseum that it's JJ McCarthy, who's the favorite quarterback in Washington.

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Speaker 5: So who knows what? And it's why the TV ratings

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Speaker 5: are through the roof, It's why it's being carried on

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Speaker 5: four different networks. It's the original reality TV.

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Speaker 1: And once again, though all of these stories, you have

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Speaker 1: to decipher who benefits from this this leak's story. Who's

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Speaker 1: the guy that benefit is the beneficiary? And who's the

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Speaker 1: guy that suffers from this. You have to figure it

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Speaker 1: out because you know then you can determine where the

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Speaker 1: source is coming from. Because what mass drafts uptor fuge

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Speaker 1: is real. You say things to try to mislead people.

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Speaker 1: You do anything you can to actually keep people guessing

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Speaker 1: as to what it is you're gonna do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the agents are involved in it. It's just a mess

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Speaker 1: this time of all.

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Speaker 3: All you have to do is remember what happened last year.

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Speaker 3: Everybody said, oh CJ. Stroud, red flags, question marks. I

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Speaker 3: think they're trying to trade out from two. They're not

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Speaker 3: going to take Stroud. Guess what happened.

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Speaker 1: CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud not only had the best rookie season, but he

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Speaker 3: also great leader, terrific person. All the things that people

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Speaker 3: said he wasn't he is. So who started all that stuff?

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Speaker 3: How did its steamroll to the point where exactly people

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Speaker 3: were thinking this isn't going to happen for him?

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Speaker 1: Exactly?

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Speaker 5: And keep your eye within the division because Gino Smith

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Speaker 5: is on a glorified one year deal. Matthew Stafford has

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Speaker 5: no guaranteed money after this coming season. A lot of

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Speaker 5: people think that the Rams and Seahawks might make a

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Speaker 5: play for a quarterback. We'll see it all goes down

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