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Speaker 2: A million of Jericho her there. Oh, how the hell

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Speaker 2: As good as done, my man, Let's go, go, go, go, go,

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Speaker 2: Let's go and go. H what MILLI? What is this?

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Speaker 2: What are you? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: You just you just let us to a room looks

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Speaker 2: Dear Movies. I love you, oh man Millie. I was

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Speaker 2: And we're being hunted by the predator. That too. Duh, Millie.

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Speaker 2: Ken Russell gave me a break? She's rolling her? Who

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Speaker 2: Hoo boy. This is directed by John McTiernan and it

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Speaker 1: I realized Rewatching Creditor after a very long time. This

435
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: is such a memorable movie.

436
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: Don't you think is such a memorable movie? Has been mean?

437
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

438
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: I mean the handshake of Arnold and Carl Weathers that

439
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: was memed so much.

440
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I even memed it like at one point,

441
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: wow in my own life, but I I but also

442
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: just like the phrases and everything. It's like like if

443
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: you if you haven't seen it at all and you

444
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: watch it, you're gonna be like, oh fuck, everybody says

445
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: like this.

446
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, which maybe we'll get to this later made the

447
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: Shane Black character so annoying because I feel like his

448
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: character was like trying to get in on the fun,

449
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 2: but he couldn't keep up, and I find him kind

450
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: of annoying in general. Shane Black, Yeah.

451
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you wrote in your notes that you don't like him,

452
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, how I guess I never

453
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: really think about him, but I do like his the

454
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: movies that he wrote, and.

455
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: I like Lethal Weapon. I do not like kiss Kiss

456
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: Bang Bang. I did not like his Predator movie that

457
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: he wrote and directed. I didn't really like the nice guys.

458
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: There's probably some more I should see. Have you never

459
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: seen the Long Kiss at Night? I've never seen that one.

460
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: That shit is fucking I just think he thinks he's

461
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: so funny, he's so clever. I don't know. He just

462
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: bugs me.

463
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: Damn, dude like Shane Blacks are gonna chomp cigars in

464
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 1: each other's faces and start cussing each other out.

465
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: At some point, I'll meet him out in them film streets.

466
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: Is that just too hot of a take? I don't know. No,

467
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: I don't think.

468
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: Listen, nothing shocks me anymore, literally nothing.

469
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't want him. I don't want him to send

470
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: the Predator after me. Millie, what's your personal connection to

471
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: this movie? Do you have one?

472
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: Go?

473
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: There? You go with that contay, Tell me about your

474
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: personal connection to this movie.

475
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: Nobody knows this, but before we started the episode, Casey

476
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: made me laugh in such a deep, fucked up way

477
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: that I was crying.

478
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: I had to get up. I had to get up

479
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: and walk in the other road. She was gone for

480
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: like fifteen minutes. I was worried.

481
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: I was I felt like, basically to put my guts

482
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: back in my body. I was laughing so hard. But

483
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: like today, I don't know what it is. You're doing

484
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: your thing.

485
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: You're doing that accent.

486
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: Every time you asked me that question like that, I

487
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: always always think Jimmy Click.

488
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: Always. I love Jimmy Click so much. My personal connection,

489
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: that's what your personal connection.

490
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: I just found that I really gravitated towards arnoldchwartznigger, and

491
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: I just like, and I know again, I always had

492
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: to covey on it because it's like, I don't know, he's.

493
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: A Republican and people like hate him or whatever.

494
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: But I'm just like, and that's fine. I mean, that

495
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: is a totally rational argument. But it's like as a

496
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: as somebody who kind of came late to the action game.

497
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: But I was still kind of a college person, college

498
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: age person.

499
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was like, yo, that guy's a star,

500
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: and he was a star. I mean you you say,

501
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: you say gravitating towards him as something unusual. I mean

502
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: all of America in the world did, yeah, And I

503
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: don't know why. I don't know why.

504
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I feel compelled to like sort of say, oh, sorry, everybody,

505
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: but I love fucking Arnold in the eighties in nineties,

506
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: and again it was also part and party of just

507
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: everything that else that he's done that I absolutely love,

508
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: like total recall and especially you know, my one of

509
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: my top movies of all time Terminator to Judgment Day.

510
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: So it's funny because even though that stuff, he was

511
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: an actual huge world movie star at that time, but

512
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: then these movies that he did in the eighties were

513
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: kind of the ramp up to all that, right, So

514
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: like Commando, which is I think is fantastic one of

515
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: my favorite eighties action movies, and then Predator, which I

516
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: feel like is I don't know what you would think,

517
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: like his one of his other big movies besides the

518
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: first Terminator. Like, like, if you were going to rank

519
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: eighties Arnold.

520
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: Movies, what would it be? Yeah, I was gonna ask, Yeah,

521
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: I was going to talk to you about your kind

522
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: of favorite Arnold performances. But I think in terms of

523
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: ranking eighties Arnold movies, now, did T two come out

524
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: in the eighties or is that a ninety?

525
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 4: No?

526
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: That do you count that?

527
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: No?

528
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that to me and I think

529
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: it's because I saw it in the nineties. It feels

530
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: like an absolute nineties movie. But let me level check.

531
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 2: Judgment day was ninety one and total recall was ninety.

532
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: I guess the only Eighties Arnold movies I've seen are

533
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: the First Terminator, Predator, and Commando. So you didn't see

534
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: the Conan movies at all. I didn't see the Conan movies.

535
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: Now I thought Cony. But I love all three of

536
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: those movies. I think those are all three great movies

537
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: that have stood the test of time. And I feel

538
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: like there was sort of this rivalry between Sylvester Stallone

539
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: and Arnold in the eighties where they kind of went

540
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: back and forth. But if you look at like the

541
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: Sylvester Stallone movies, I think those have not stood the

542
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: test of time in the way that Arnold's movies have.

543
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: I think he had higher highs than Stallone too. Maybe

544
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: that is tiring to a person and they don't want

545
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: to pursue it as much. Yeah, and well, and.

546
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: I definitely think that the Sylvester thing is going to

547
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: come back up when we talk about Predator, because obviously

548
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: I feel like we're eighties action movies have kind of

549
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: a connection to the Vietnam era, which we'll talk about later.

550
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I will say that like Predator

551
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: is one of, if not one of the best Arnold

552
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: movies in his filmography. It's definitely one of the best

553
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: eighties action movies he did. And I don't know so

554
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: and I just love like his shit. I just love

555
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: the vibe of like his tough guy shit. It's somehow

556
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: like not as aggressive as like other action stars are.

557
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel as oppressively. He has kind of an

558
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: undercurrent of I don't know, like there's.

559
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: Something about him that's like I wish I didn't have

560
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: to be violent. Yeah, you know, there's like a peacefulnes

561
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't like this.

562
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just I you don't know, it's like

563
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: when you I watched the Artold documentary when it came

564
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: out not too long ago, And yeah, maybe it is

565
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: because he's European. There's something different about him. But anyway,

566
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: that's that's my personal connection to Predator. And I haven't

567
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: seen Predator in a really long time.

568
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: So my personal connection. I have recently watched every Predator

569
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: movie prior to us deciding to even do this episode.

570
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic, like I would say, maybe two years ago. Wow,

571
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: I watched all of them. Yeah, I don't know why,

572
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: I just did. And I had a great time. And

573
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: listen to the end of our conversation to hear my

574
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: definitive rank. Should I get into the synopsis, yes, of

575
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: course of this movie. Okay, So Alan dutch Schaeffer played

576
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: by Arnold Swarzenegger. He goes by Dutch. He runs an

577
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: elite military rescue team and they don't do assassinations. They

578
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: are hired by an old pal al Dylon played by

579
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: Carl Weathers. They're hired by him to rescue a local

580
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: cabinet minister. I'm not sure what that means, but they

581
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: refer to that in the movie a few times. A

582
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: local cabinet minister whose helicopter was shot down in a

583
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: Central American jungle and he's now hostage to gorillas. So

584
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: they go in. They absolutely blow up this gorilla encampment.

585
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: And his team is great. It's got Jesse Ventura, Bill Duke,

586
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 2: Shane Black, like we mentioned, all these manly men, and

587
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: they're great and they're funny. But they blow up this

588
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: gorilla encampment and they find out there's no cabinet minister

589
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: that was all a ruse and a lie. This is

590
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: like a Soviet sponsored group that was going to take

591
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: over this area, and Carl Weather's tricked Arnold into taking

592
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: it out to prevent this invasion because Arnold would not

593
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: have said yes otherwise. Arnold is pissed. They end up

594
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: taking one of the surviving gorillas, Anna is her name,

595
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: played by Elpdia Carrillo. But also they discover while they're

596
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: doing this that there were like other people who were

597
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: going to go take out this gorilla encampment but were killed,

598
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: skinned and hung upside down, but by whom they don't know.

599
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the beginning of the movie is

600
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: a little confusing with the deception with Carl Weathers.

601
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, which we try to replicate it and

602
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: are open to yes, questionable success, but so okay. Part

603
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: of what I love about these types of like action

604
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: movies that feature like groups of guys, yes, is the

605
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: kind of cataloging I guess if you will, of like

606
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: the different personality types in the group. And it cracks

607
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: me up because it's like, you you know, there's like

608
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: such tropes in some of these things, like for example,

609
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: one of the guys is Little Cadre or whatever. Is

610
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: this guy Billy who is played by the actor Sonny Lanham,

611
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: and he's like two me. It's clear that he's like

612
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: the indigenous character that has like spiritual powers, you know, like.

613
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: It's he's a tracker.

614
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's you know, Native American, I believe, I'm not

615
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: actually sure actually is it.

616
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: Yes, he is one eighth Seminole descent and half Cherokee descent.

617
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: But then they use him in that way where it's

618
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: basically he's like able to like track spirits and things,

619
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of like I don't.

620
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: Know, like in a way kind of like okay, we

621
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 2: get it.

622
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: And then well then you have so then you have Rick, right,

623
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: which is the Shane Black character your faith, who is

624
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: like the guy making the pussy jokes and he's a

625
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: real you know, funny guy with glasses and you know,

626
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: no everybody blows him off because he's a dork. Right.

627
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I mean you've got on the other

628
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: side of the equation the body Jesse right mm hm,

629
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: who is all testosterone aggression, you know, dropping like f bombs,

630
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: like chewing tobacco, you know, talking about is big dick

631
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: type of thing, right, Yeah, and it's just as funny

632
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: because he's like, Oh, what a bunch of guys and

633
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: a helicopter about to be dropped in Central America. But yeah,

634
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: so you're like world building, right, and then you're.

635
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: Like, oh, Dutch aka Arnold is like their leader, and.

636
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: You know, like they've managed to stick together all throughout

637
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: the years and they've got.

638
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: Like they're the best brotherhood.

639
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: They're not expendable, right, which is something that is a

640
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: runner through the film. But I want to know what

641
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: it feels like because I mean, I certainly as a woman,

642
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: are like looking at this like laughing, But what is

643
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: it like for maybe you as a guy, and maybe

644
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: even when you were a younger guy to see this

645
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: type of masculinity.

646
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I am such a different I wrote

647
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: in my notes, I don't think I'd fit in with

648
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: this group if they're all attle lunch table. I don't

649
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: know if I'd be sitting at that table.

650
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: You're trying, You're trying to tell me that none of

651
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: these guys had Garden Stay posters up in their bedrooms.

652
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: If they did, they would you know, hopefully confide in

653
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: me and feel safe telling me that secret. But you

654
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: know it's I am just like a different species. I

655
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: am like a smaller guy. I'm five seven, so I've

656
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: always been like small and I've had to I've never

657
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: had any chance of like squaring up physically with another guy.

658
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: You know, I've certainly been in situations where I've almost

659
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: gotten into a fight and I've had to escape because

660
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: it would be bad, like for me, what do you

661
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: mean escape? Like?

662
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: Because you remember you told the story at the restaurant

663
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: where the guy grabbed.

664
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: Bike and call me a cocksucker. Yes, it's a lot

665
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: of people grab my call. That happens a lot. So

666
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: I was at a bar one time and the Daily

667
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: Pint in Santa Monica, and I was closing on my check.

668
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: I not had a few, but this guy was like

669
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: move over and I was like closing on my check.

670
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: I'm standing like shoulders shoulder with people at the bar

671
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: and then he goes fucking move over and he grabs me,

672
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: and I was like ah, And so I like ran

673
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: away from him back to my group of friends, and

674
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: I was like, this fucking guy over here was telling

675
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: me to move over, and he heard that, and as

676
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: I was leaving, he grabbed me again. He goes, I

677
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: heard what you were saying, you motherfucker, But then my

678
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: bigger friends grabbed him, So I was lucky in that situation.

679
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's a lot of things like that

680
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: where I'm like a cowardly So that is.

681
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: So insane to hear somebody say that.

682
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think, you know, being a man is

683
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: a little bit different you do. When you walk around

684
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: in the world, you do feel a little more like

685
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: you have to be. Men can be kind of like

686
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: more aggressive towards you, like whether they like she'll hit

687
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: you with their shoulder, just like walking down the street

688
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: to kind of just be like what's up. You know,

689
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: Like stuff like that happens a lot as a man

690
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: out in the world, and I've always had to I

691
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: can't fight someone. I just can't. It can't happen, you know,

692
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: and because I would be killed. So I've always been

693
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: felt like an other to that type of masculinity, you know.

694
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: So it just it does. It feels foreign to me too,

695
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: I guess, is what I'm saying.

696
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, Casey, I think it's time

697
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: if you ever found yourself in another situation where you

698
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: got grabbed by some drunk dude at a bar. I

699
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: think the time will come when me and Tony Goldwin

700
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: will show up to wherever you're at. I will grow

701
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: my nails out super long, just because it feels like

702
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: I should do that, and we'll just fight these motherfuckers

703
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: at the bar.

704
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: We'll throw them. I think guy big. There's a certain

705
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: type of guy that doesn't like a small little guy

706
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: and they want to beat him up when they see him.

707
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: Like I remember one time I was walking a Echo

708
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: park and a guy just came out of a bar

709
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: and just ran up to me and was like boom

710
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: and punched me right in the stomach and was kind

711
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 2: of like what's up. And I was like, oh my god,

712
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: So wow, I don't know. Well, you can imagine what

713
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: they think about women, Yes, I can very easily. Well

714
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to hear that.

715
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: And but that is an interesting thing for me because

716
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: it's it does feel like, I don't know, it feels

717
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: like either like in my experience with like my guy friends,

718
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: either that they run away from movies like this, or

719
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: they kind of like weirdly embrace them in a kind

720
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: of like ironic way, or something like.

721
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: It's kind of like they know.

722
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: The masculinity is over the top and it's kind of

723
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: like cartoonish in a way, and that's kind of what

724
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: Predator feels like to me. It feels like these like

725
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: guys are just hyper mass hyper like I mean, kind

726
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: of just ridiculous at the end of the day.

727
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: But that's what makes everyone's everyone muscles look incredible. Like

728
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: Carl Weathers's arms and chest. I was like, oh my god,

729
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: he looks like a cartoon he Man character, you know.

730
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: And I want to talk about the meme, the famous

731
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: meme of the two of the Like, because it happens

732
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: very early on in the film where it's basically like

733
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: Carl Weathers meets Arnold in the office or whatever, and

734
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: they're like, what's up, brother, and like the two they

735
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: look like two.

736
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: Pigs on a spit, like just these.

737
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: Two arms come into the frame and like their shirts,

738
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: their tighters are like hooking the curves of their muscles,

739
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: and it's just you just see these two guys, like,

740
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: you know.

741
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: What a great directing choice we needed actually a two

742
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: shot of just their arms.

743
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: But it's like, to me, I love that that became

744
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: memes because it just was like it was a ridiculous shot,

745
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: like in a moment where you're like, oh fuck, that

746
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: is crazy how it's focused on their arms. It's so

747
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: weird to say, but funny and funny is what.

748
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: I kind of mean by that. But yeah, anyway, it's

749
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: cartoonish for that reason. But it's also cartoonish like when

750
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: they go into like quote unquote save these hostages, they

751
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: blow this place up to like I'm like, I can't

752
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: believe this scene is still going on, Like how much,

753
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: how many explosions, how many people are being shot with

754
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: like machine guns. I was like, how would any hostage

755
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: survive this situation?

756
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: We got to talk about this because I actually did

757
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of research on this. So in the

758
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: film Jesse, the body right has what they nicknamed old

759
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: Painless Okay, which is what like and I don't know

760
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: if I'm actually saying this right, but it's it's a

761
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: weapon that is called the M one thirty four mini gun.

762
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: Yay.

763
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: Now, from what I've read, this gun, it was typically

764
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: on airplanes, Like this was like a thing that you

765
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: know because basically if you see it, you know what

766
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It's basically like a huge gun that

767
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: has you know, this like rotating chamber that has like

768
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of holes in it, and it's like they

769
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: used it in Terminator too as well.

770
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it would be on the back of

771
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: a plane, someone holding it with two hands, like shooting

772
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: down planes that kind of thing. That's what it looks like.

773
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's basically like shoots like twenty thousand rounds

774
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: per second or something.

775
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 2: It's like just.

776
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: An absolute killing, destroying machine. And according to what I

777
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: read too, it's actually impossible to carry this gun as

778
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: a human being, Like it's only meant for uh, further machines, right,

779
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: but that they changed it for the film or something

780
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: that he was able to carry it because think about

781
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: this or like trapes think through the jungle, covering a

782
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: lot of ground, and this guy's carrying this humongous mini

783
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: gun as if he's you know, it's just kind of

784
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: like a little baby rifle or something. And listen, I

785
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: am no authority on guns, but I always think whenever

786
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: I see something like this, because now these this gone

787
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: has been in other films, I'm like, it's just so

788
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: unbelievably ridiculous that it gets used in movies. Like I'm

789
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: just like, this is so fucking ridiculously cartoonishly stupid. And

790
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: the minute I saw him take that shit out, I

791
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: was like, there's no way any of these, any of

792
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: these hostages are alive.

793
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: They killed they just decimated the entire forest.

794
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: The forest has blown to smithereens.

795
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, I mean it is like laughable. I mean,

796
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: we haven't invoked this name yet, but the beginning of

797
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: Magruber is essentially very similar to this movie. The beginning

798
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: of this movie, like the way they'mble the team and

799
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: the amount of guns and stuff they have. But the

800
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: Grouper is brilliant. As we've got up both on a record. Okay,

801
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep moving on here with the plot. So

802
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: they've taken out this gorilla encampment, but they don't know

803
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: that they are being hunted by an alien. The titular

804
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: predator is following them. Now he has a cloaking device,

805
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: so he's invisible, you can't see him, but he's been

806
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: watching them the whole time, and he starts kind of

807
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 2: picking guys off as they're sort of escaping through the jungle.

808
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 2: They kill Hawkins played by Shane Black. I add parenthetically,

809
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 2: thank god he kills Jesse Ventura and now they're like, oh, fuck,

810
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: there's something out there. That's what Bill Duke is like, Oh,

811
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: there's like an alien out there. I saw some weird

812
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: thing kill Jesse Ventura and and uh, we got to

813
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: figure out what's going on with this fucker. You know.

814
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: Bill Duke is my favorite character in this movie, by

815
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: the way.

816
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and now you said you asked the question, why

817
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: is Bill Duke shaving? Yeah? Do you know? No, that's

818
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: kind of his tick. This is a very sweaty movie.

819
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: Everyone is like so wet, it is so unbelievable. He

820
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: just has a little plastic bick shaver and it's just

821
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: sort of constantly shaving. I was like, is he microblading?

822
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: Like you remember in vander Pump Rules where everybody used

823
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: to make fun of Tom Sandible for shaving his forehead.

824
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

825
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember that, but oh my god, so basically

826
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: every for years when that show was kicking, you know,

827
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: Tom Sandivil, one of the characters in Vander Peppers Rules,

828
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: used to shave basically do what Bill Duke's doing. And

829
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: he takes a razor and he just starts shaving his forehead.

830
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, what is he doing that? For and it's

831
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: really like micro blading, which is a you know, kind

832
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: of popular thing to do. It wasn't popular, I don't

833
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: think of the eighties.

834
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: Maybe.

835
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: I think you could only really do it at like

836
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: if you were going to go get facials or something.

837
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 1: But it was like it's basically kind of peeling away.

838
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: It's it's basically taking blade and kind of peeling away

839
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: all the little baby hairs, but also like kind of

840
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: like the dead.

841
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: Skin off the surface of your.

842
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: Face, and so when you're done, you look all fresh

843
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: faced and gorgeous.

844
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 2: And so there's this.

845
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: Moment where I was like, is Bill Duke just you know,

846
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: trying to keep his skin looking good out here?

847
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: And I don't know what's he's shaving for. It doesn't

848
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: make sense out in the jungle. Yeah, that's a great question. Uh,

849
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: seemed just kind of like a little character tip. I

850
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: don't know, what do you think what Millie, what do

851
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: you think of the Predator as a villain? He doesn't

852
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: come into the movie to like it feels like a

853
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: third of the way in the movie. Yeah, I know.

854
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: This is the thing about all these movies that we've

855
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: done recently, is that the ones that the ones that

856
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: I haven't seen in a really long time.

857
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Is that?

858
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: Like I always assume that the lead character, the villain,

859
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: comes in a lot earlier. I thought that with Hell

860
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: Raiser two, you know, it's like that whole like, oh,

861
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: I thought Pinhead was in the movie. No, I thought

862
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: that Predator would have showed up way earlier, but didn't.

863
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: And it's like not even like he shows up, but

864
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: it's not his full reveal yet. It's like his little glob,

865
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: his little glob.

866
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

867
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: So you want to know what I think about Predator

868
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: as an alien? Yeah? Like I guess would you compare

869
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: him to like others like killers like Michael Myers or

870
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Freddy or is he like more like the alien what

871
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: the zen?

872
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, like a he's more of a creature

873
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: and not a human.

874
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's.

875
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: More of a Actually I don't know, because here's the

876
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: thing about Predator that I always always used to throw

877
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: me off.

878
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: Dreadlock Right, pre has dreads. He doesn't, which I'm kind

879
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: of like.

880
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: Somebody had to do those dreads, right, That's true, I

881
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: mean that's what I assumed. So I'm like, is he human?

882
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: Like he's getting his.

883
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: Hair done right? Yeah?

884
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: But Also he's from space. He's obviously hiding himself. And yeah,

885
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: to that point, this is the thing that I always

886
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: thought was so fucked up about Pretter is that, in

887
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: a very baseline way, he would be impossible to kill,

888
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: right under normal circumstances, if.

889
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: You were not inexpendable, if you were not.

890
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: Arnold in his cadre of hyper macho dudes, right, he

891
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: could never be killed.

892
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: No one would ever know he was there.

893
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: And he's just like shooting rounds in your fucking chest

894
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: and you're dead and you don't even know where he is.

895
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I took Arnold a millionaires to fight

896
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: out that he had to just cover himself with mud.

897
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: More on that later, But I'm just saying, like, it's

898
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: kind of this weird improbability where I'm like, oh, these

899
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: guys would be dead in five seconds. How did this

900
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: even go past the first ten minutes? Yeah, there is

901
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: something like a little like unbelieving.

902
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: I mean, this whole movie's unbelievable, but it kind of

903
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: takes you out of it a little bit when this

904
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: kind of cup becomes more clear. At the end, he's

905
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: doing this all for sport, and the only reason he

906
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: gets defeated is because he's like, oh, this isn't a

907
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: fair fight. I should get rid of my weapons or something,

908
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like the Predator is the one

909
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: who is saying is like giving in and making it

910
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: easier for his opponents to kill him, and so it

911
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: makes it like a little less exciting. They're not exciting,

912
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: but like a little less You're like less interested in

913
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: how this is going to get. Yeah, because I think

914
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 2: that's like.

915
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: The unfortunate bridge that you have to gap if you're

916
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: like a screenwriter or like somebody who's making concepts for

917
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: like science fiction.

918
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: Movies, is that you have to, like to me, in

919
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: order for.

920
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: Just my brain to be able to process the world

921
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: that you build, you can't have it be so completely

922
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: stacked that you know, you can't imagine, like you can't

923
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: make the villains so powerful that you just we're all

924
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: just like, well that would kill everyone within seconds. Like

925
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: there has to be some you know, level of playing

926
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: field in that way. Yeah, And so I always feel

927
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: with Predator, I'm like, oh, he's like a fucking indestructible,

928
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: like really like, so I don't know, but we have

929
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: to have the rest of the movie and we have

930
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: to have a franchise, so like, I guess it gets

931
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: rolled out eventually, but yeah, at that jump at very first,

932
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they're dead period.

933
00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and a lot of them are dead. Did

934
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: you have anything you wanted to say about Anna Elpdia Carrillo,

935
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: who is the only woman in this movie and is

936
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: kind of their hostage. Of course, of course, I do.

937
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, this is the interesting thing about this movie

938
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: is that for all this mantoism, it's like, of course

939
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: they had to bring a woman with them who was

940
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: a hostage at some point. But then Carl Weathers is like, I.

941
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 2: Think she was a gorilla. Oh I see, I think

942
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: she was working with the gorillas. She's just but she

943
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 2: becomes their hostage. Because basically she does become their hostage.

944
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Carl Weathers is like, she has to come with us

945
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: because she knows too much or whatever. So then she's

946
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: just sort of toted along with these fucking dudes. And

947
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: I was like, the entire time she's around, I'm like,

948
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: she's hot, Like I think Arl kind of wants to.

949
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: Get with it, but there's no you know, there's no

950
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: even a whiff of romance. I felt like, no, Now

951
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: when you're carrying old paintless or whatever painless. You can't.

952
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: There's no tough for love at all. But I will

953
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: say she's gorgeous. Like I was, like, she's gorgeous, and

954
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: there was this is neither here nor there, but there

955
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: was like a moment where they like, she's just like

956
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: in a scene and she like flashes this very elegant

957
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: side boob in her like little take Tom and I'm like, damn,

958
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: I wish I had. I'd kill for that side boob.

959
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: It's so elegant inside boob elegant. So well, she doesn't

960
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: provide much to this. They didn't. They didn't make her

961
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: a very fully formed character. I will say, uh. And

962
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned this on another other episode. I

963
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: do have a Carl Weather's story. He came into our restaurant.

964
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: He stole a pie pan. He was supposed to return it.

965
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: He returned it several weeks later, and we were all

966
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: very mad at him. So I won't get into that.

967
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: But why don't you all give a shit about a

968
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: pie pan?

969
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: It was an expensive black crusette pie thing. It was

970
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: our It was a restaurant pie pie. Man. Do you

971
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: say that like it wasn't a pie tin. It was yeah,

972
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 2: it was black glass. Yeah. Anyways, uh, okay, we're moving

973
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: forward now to kill the predator. They said a bunch

974
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: of movie traps, but it out maneuvers them because he's

975
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: smart and he's invisible. Dylan, Carl Weathers is killed, mac

976
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: Bill Duke is killed. Arnold is left alone, but he

977
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: makes a discovery that if he covers his entire body

978
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: in mud, the predator cannot see him because he only

979
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: has like thermal vision. So he covers his body and

980
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: mud and he's entirely invisible to the predator. Now I

981
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: want to point out, you know, the predator has like

982
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: laser eyes, and he lasers Carl Weathers, and Carl Weathers

983
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: fucking arm blows off. But there's like he does the

984
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: exact same thing to Arnold, and Arnold's like ah, and

985
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: Arnold just gets like a little scratch and you never

986
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: see him tend to that wound again later. So I

987
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: thought that was kind of fun.

988
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: Well, that's because in the when you see the arm

989
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: contrast at the beginning of the movie, Arnold's again is

990
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: the bigger, the bigger pig, Like, yeah, his pig on

991
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: a spit is hues.

992
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 2: Pig, and I do I do appreciate that they don't.

993
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: They always do this with movies with like The Rock,

994
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: and they do do this with Arnold too, But it's like,

995
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad they didn't give Arnold like a storyline where

996
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: he's like, I get back, I gotta get back to

997
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 2: my daughter who I love, or like some weird backstory

998
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: that like makes us sensitive to him. You know. Yeah,

999
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 2: I hate when people do that, like or like when

1000
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: movies do that to like be like he's got more

1001
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: going on below the surface. They don't do any of that.

1002
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 2: They don't have any of that pretense in this movie.

1003
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: They don't have time. Yeah, you don't want you don't

1004
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 2: want the whole uh.

1005
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: Reason for him to be out there to be like

1006
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: the Alissa Milano character from Commando or something, right, Yes,

1007
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: just let him just be an enigma, a military enigma.

1008
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: He doesn't do assassinations though, so that means he yeah,

1009
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 2: he's got a soul. Well, and I want to.

1010
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: Talk to you a little bit about the predator tech,

1011
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: which in twenty twenty five looks like shit, uh huh.

1012
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: I mean that's heass thermal seeking. The fact that he

1013
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: can only see like thermally. I'm like, that seems like

1014
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: a big hindrance for all of his tools and stuff.

1015
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: I know, I mean, here's how was that.

1016
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: It's actually kind of surprising that he doesn't have more

1017
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: to do in that way. Like I'm like, he should

1018
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: be a little bit more sophisticated. He's from space, like

1019
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: come on, and then you get this like little blurry,

1020
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: little uh infrared bull I mean it's like, I mean,

1021
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: I know at the time that tech was probably like eight.

1022
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: K or whatever.

1023
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was like, man, this is when you

1024
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: look through his perspective, You're like, I can't see shit

1025
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: out here?

1026
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. So yeah, what was the last thing that

1027
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: John McTiernan directed, Because he directed die Hard obviously and Predator.

1028
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: But see he's only seventy four. You think he would

1029
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 2: still does he makeing anything? Let me see? He directed

1030
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: a movie in two thousand and three. That was the

1031
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: last movie. He directed, a movie called Basic in Chill.

1032
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting?

1033
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: He was played guilty in two thousand six. The line

1034
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: to an FBI investigator incarcerated.

1035
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: John McTiernan, am I wrong with He had legal trouble.

1036
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god? He was in jail. He directed.

1037
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, he directed a video game ad or something.

1038
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, it seems like he had legal trouble. Seems

1039
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: like he had bankruptcy and maybe.

1040
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: That's mcierney pleaded guilty to line to an FBI investigator

1041
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: in regard to hiring a private investigator in two thousand

1042
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: to illegally wiretap the phone calls of two people, one

1043
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: of whom was Charles Roven, a co producer on his

1044
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: movie Rollerball. That's insane. They hired Anthony Pelicano, right, that

1045
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: was like the Yeah, don't you find that insane? I

1046
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: didn't know anything, Yes, crazy, Well there, okay, so he

1047
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: was busy. It's not making movies. Yeah, I'd say, Oh,

1048
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: he was hanging around with these musclemen too much. Kind

1049
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: of corrupted his brain, I guess. Okay. Anyways, let's get

1050
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: to the end of the movie. Arnold's covered in mud.

1051
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: He injures the predator, destroying his cloaking device. Arnold. They

1052
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: set some more booby traps, but smarter ones this time,

1053
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: and the predator this is the predators, like, I see

1054
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: you as a worthy adversary. Let me throw away all

1055
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: my weapons and we'll just fight each other. Hand to

1056
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: hand wow, and then he gets killed by Arnold. What

1057
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: a dumb ass. I don't like that. That happens all

1058
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: the time, where Like I don't like when the villain

1059
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: gets kind of like tricked, or like I don't like

1060
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. You don't like.

1061
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: You don't like it when uh and Ningo Mantoya from

1062
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: The Princess Bride is like here's a sword fight me Like,

1063
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 1: it's like he gives up his advantage to be fair.

1064
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: You don't like that. I don't because I'm like I

1065
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: don't know, Yeah, I don't like that. Well, and is

1066
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 2: not even a villain, but like villains do that. It's like,

1067
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: let's make things a little more interesting. It's like, get

1068
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: out do it.

1069
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: That's because they they are all I mean, they're all

1070
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: about the pageant and honestly, like for me, like no,

1071
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: it's it's survival in these streets. If I have an

1072
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: advantage somehow, which I never have, I'm using that shit.

1073
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: But also it begs the question.

1074
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: About Predator as an alien where it makes me think, well,

1075
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: then what's his motivation? Like why does he give a

1076
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: fuck about being fair at all?

1077
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: What about his race of beings on his planet?

1078
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: Or whatever are they. Maybe he's not as as evil

1079
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: of a baddie as Yeah. Maybe he comes from you know,

1080
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: a society where they believe in the sportsmanship.

1081
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a code of ethics. I don't know.

1082
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: You remember in Austin Powers when Doctor Evil has Austin

1083
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: Powers and he's like, puts him on that table to

1084
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: get killed by a laser, and Seth Green's like, why

1085
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: don't you just shoot him? Yes, exactly, And Doctor Evil's like,

1086
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,959
Speaker 2: you just you don't get it, do you you really,

1087
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: you really don't.

1088
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: It's the drama of it.

1089
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 2: It's the drama. I guess, oh, oh golly. And then

1090
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: the Predator sets off a bomb, but Arnold he gets

1091
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: away the end the end, well, because predator believes in

1092
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: palm circumstance.

1093
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Arnold gets away and gets Well.

1094
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

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01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: As much as I do love this movie, I thought

1096
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: this entire last third was so long, dude.

1097
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: It is unlike the rest of the movie because it's

1098
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: it's like dialogue less. It's like a Kelly Reikert movie

1099
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: out there, you know, we're watching Old Joy or something.

1100
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this la Samurai? Why isn't

1101
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: he speaking?

1102
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: This is crazy and it is long. Yeah. Yeah, And

1103
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: I think that that.

1104
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: I think that that notion is completely underscored by the

1105
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: very the first two thirds of the movie, where it's

1106
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: just a lot of fucking gunfire and loud mouths and

1107
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: crazy shit and ship and then it turns into this

1108
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: like extremely you know, this like meditation piece about warfare

1109
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: with no talking. It's like again Le Samurai or something

1110
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: like that. And I'm like, god, damn, this ship is long.

1111
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: And I kept looking. I kept looking at the Do

1112
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: we ever do this, by the way, when you're watching

1113
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: a movie and you're like, man, this is taken forever,

1114
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: you like click on the little menu and then you

1115
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: look at the bar and be like, oh, the bar

1116
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: is so long.

1117
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: Until the end of the movie, I ever do that

1118
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: every movie I've ever watched at home. I pressed the

1119
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 2: button and then what Okay, I like, damn, man, this bar,

1120
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: there's half the bar's not been filled in. Yeah, I

1121
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: mean the last I mean, the end of the movie

1122
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: did feel like Uncle Boone me who can recall those

1123
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: path lives? You know, It's like wandering in the jungle.

1124
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I don't remember Predator being this

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: for it?

1126
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: What the hell is going on. Shit. Let me just

1127
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: rank my Predator movies real quick, unless you do you

1128
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: have anything else, Millie? What else can I say? I've

1129
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 2: said everything, so okay, okay, this is worst to best,

1130
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: and I haven't there's one that actually there's an animated

1131
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: one that came out this year that I haven't seen.

1132
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: And there's a brand new one with El Fanning. I

1133
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: also haven't seen that one. That one's not out yet though. Okay.

1134
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: Number seven, the worst one the Predator twenty eighteen. That

1135
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: was Shane Black's movie. It's just so bad. It thinks

1136
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: it's so funny and it's just so irritating. And also

1137
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 2: Olivia Munn was really upset working on that movie because

1138
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: she discovered that they hired a sexual ups a sexual,

1139
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 2: a convicted sexual predator was working on that movie because

1140
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: he was friends with the director. Oh dude. Uh. Then

1141
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: number six Aliens Versus Predator Requiem, This was just bad

1142
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, it's bad. Then Predators from twenty ten.

1143
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: This is the Adrian Brodie Predator movie where they go

1144
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: back to the Predators like or it's like a different planet.

1145
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: They bring all these like convicts, the Predator Alien Race

1146
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: kidnaps a bunch of humans, like the best, most devious

1147
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: evil ones, and then hunts them. I don't know, it

1148
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: was kind of stupid. Then I would put Prey, which

1149
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: came out in twenty twenty two. That's like the one

1150
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: that's like set like hundreds of years ago and includes

1151
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: like a bunch of like a native population that's getting

1152
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: attacked by the predator. This was pretty good. It's not Hulu.

1153
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 2: This is the latest one that was pretty good. I'm

1154
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: writing it down. Then I liked Alien Versus Predator, the

1155
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: first one from two thousand and four. Yeah, it's like

1156
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: an antarctical movie and it actually like follows the mythology

1157
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 2: of the alien movies. So I thought it was pretty good. Yeah,

1158
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 2: this was like I remember when this came out.

1159
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: It was like like Freddy versus Jason had just come out. Yeah,

1160
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: and I felt like this like kind of cool, you know,

1161
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: melding of sort of two ips together to like fight

1162
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: each other. So I was like kind of excited by it.

1163
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, Alien Versus Predator must be

1164
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: so fun. And then I just forgot to see it.

1165
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, so it's pretty fun. I'm gonna do it

1166
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: as my third best Predator movie. All right, I'm gonna

1167
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 2: gonna watch it. Then I put this Predator Predator nineteen

1168
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 2: eighty seven as my number two favorite. Ooh, because I

1169
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: really like Predator too, which is from nineteen ninety with

1170
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: Danny Glover, because it takes place in La Predator in La, Yeah, La,

1171
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: and he's really rock and shit in Los Angeles and

1172
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: what neighborhood. It's a good time. What neighborhood It seemed

1173
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: like Korea Town and downtown seemed very urban, MacArthur Park

1174
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: maybe okay, well cool. Anyways, that's my definitive list. If

1175
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: you disagree, yeah.

1176
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: Please do dear movies at exactly right media dot com

1177
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: and tell Casey his taste is shit or it's good,

1178
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: shove it.

1179
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: Fantastic.

1180
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: Well listen, what a what a great movie. I'm so

1181
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: glad I got to see it again. To me, one

1182
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: of the most definitive action movies of the eighties. It's

1183
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: definitely like like a lot of nineteen eighties action movies.

1184
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: It's like very feels very tied to the Vietnam era

1185
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: with like soldiers kind of remind me of Rambo in

1186
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: that way, right, speaking of Sylvester but honestly, like predator

1187
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: as a creature or human or hybrid, whatever you want

1188
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: to call him is uh seems unkillable, I guess until

1189
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: he's not, which is in.

1190
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: Until Arnold gets his meaty pause on him his ham arms. Yes,

1191
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,479
Speaker 2: I yeah, this is like it's so pulpy, and it's

1192
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: like it's kind of what you want from like a

1193
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: mustly action movie, sci fi action movie. It's kind of

1194
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: the prototype of like that type of movie. And it's great.

1195
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 4: I was.

1196
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: I enjoyed watching it again, me too, me too.

1197
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 4: All right.

1198
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: Next up, we're gonna be talking to Vera Drew about

1199
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: her area of expertise, the woman with no name. I

1200
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 2: just have to say I messed up her recording a

1201
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: little bit very at the very beginning, so her audio

1202
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 2: will sound a little different right away and then and

1203
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: it'll sound good for the rest of it. So that

1204
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 2: was my fault. I'm sorry, Vera, and I'm sorry audience

1205
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: that you have to listen to that. But it only

1206
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: is just right at the beginning. So here's our conversation

1207
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 2: with Vera Drew. All right, everybody, it is another installment

1208
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: of our segment my area of expertise, and I am

1209
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 2: very excited to have our guest on today. I'm a

1210
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: huge fan. She is a writer, director, actor, and editor

1211
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,919
Speaker 2: and the creative force behind The People's Joker. We have Vera,

1212
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: Drew Vera, thank you so much for joining us today.

1213
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Thank you so much for having me.

1214
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, all, my Hysen.

1215
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely, before we get into your area of expertise, I

1216
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: just wanted to ask you about your movie, The People's Joker.

1217
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: The screening I went to. I live in Minneapolis now.

1218
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: Milly and I both lived in LA for a long time,

1219
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: but I live in Minneapolis now and the screening I

1220
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: went to here was like electric, it was insane. I mean,

1221
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 2: people were really like hooting and hollering during the whole screening.

1222
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 2: And I think it's a testament to how much your

1223
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: movie has connected with people. What is it like as

1224
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: an artist and as a person to have something that

1225
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 2: you've made that's so you know, hyper personal to you

1226
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,560
Speaker 2: connect with so many people and have it like understood

1227
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 2: and accepted and celebrated in that way. What is that

1228
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: like for you, just sort of like on a personal

1229
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: emotional level.

1230
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 4: Well, I really wasn't prepared for it in any any way.

1231
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 4: I mean like it's obviously I think all you could want,

1232
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 4: like especially from the first view you make, you know,

1233
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 4: but but kind of never in my wildest dreams, uh

1234
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 4: what I have imagined that that like the first thing

1235
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 4: that I would ever make, you know, the first like

1236
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 4: feature film I'd ever make, like would would have that

1237
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 4: kind of response. I think I feel very emboldened by it, Yeah,

1238
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 4: because it was a movie that really was like, yeah,

1239
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 4: it was the I needed to make for myself to

1240
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 4: sort of like understand my life and and and you know,

1241
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 4: the fact that I kind of consciously tried to break

1242
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 4: every single rule I was taught, like uh as like

1243
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 4: a like gun for hire like editor and writer and

1244
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 4: producer and stuff like it really kind of validated the

1245
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 4: fact that like, Okay, like I guess I know what

1246
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 4: I'm doing, and like I guess the this sort of

1247
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 4: like assignment for like what the kind of stuff I'm

1248
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 4: going to make going forward are going to be like

1249
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 4: pretty personal personal project.

1250
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 2: Well let's move on. You know, we brought you here

1251
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: to talk about your area of expertise, and you pitched.

1252
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: I got me my brain buzzing. The area of expertise

1253
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: you pitched is what you called the woman with no name?

1254
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: Can you kind of elaborate on what that means to you?

1255
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I don't. I want to.

1256
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 4: I want to qualify all this is like I don't

1257
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,480
Speaker 4: think this is like a film RKT type that I've discovered.

1258
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 4: I'm sure somebody way smarter than me has like written

1259
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 4: about this or like noticed.

1260
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 3: This the idea.

1261
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 4: The idea came to me like the last time I

1262
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 4: was watching show Girls, which is like really like one

1263
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 4: of my favorite movies of all time.

1264
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 2: Is like we've discussed it very recently on this show,

1265
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: so it's very fresh in our minds.

1266
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 4: It's like it's it's so good, right, Like it's it's

1267
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 4: it's it is crazy that like people ever thought it

1268
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 4: was like bad, like because like it's it's clear that

1269
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 4: it's just like.

1270
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 3: I don't know it just there was nothing like it, and.

1271
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 4: Like culture was just so horrible at the time that

1272
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 4: like you watch a movie like that, But like I

1273
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 4: remember like watching it this last time and having a

1274
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 4: really emotional experience watching it because it kind of clicked

1275
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 4: in a place for me that like know me is

1276
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:41,919
Speaker 4: just like one of the most sympathetic characters like film history,

1277
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 4: and like the reason she is is because she actually

1278
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 4: like kind of follows this like Clint Eastwood like anti

1279
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 4: hero archetype yes, where she's like a chaotic, like you know,

1280
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 4: protagonist in like the heaviest quotes, like she is like

1281
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 4: a crackhead.

1282
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 3: In it, like literally like a crackhead in it. And like.

1283
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 4: But we you know, when we meet her, we get

1284
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 4: this sense that it's like there's this whole story we're

1285
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 4: not seen, and even by the end, we don't really

1286
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 4: know what happened to her. So like the idea is

1287
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 4: almost like the Woman with No Name is sort of

1288
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,879
Speaker 4: that like it's it's borrowed from like the Dollar's trilogy,

1289
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Speaker 4: like Man with No Name, where it's like it's this

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Speaker 4: character that feels like an anthologized character that we'd see

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Speaker 4: in in some sort of like series, but there is

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Speaker 4: no additional prequel material that like paints their lower or

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 4: mythology or backstory like it's it's it's literally just like

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01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 4: we just feel that like like shit went down, and

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Speaker 4: you know, like I think for me, like it was

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Speaker 4: kind of the thing I kept thinking about, like I'm

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Speaker 4: watching revisiting that movie and then that coming up was

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Speaker 4: like it's it's basically like if like Clint Eastwood like

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Speaker 4: wandered into like a star is Born instead of a saloon,

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01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 4: or like if Dutch from Predator was a sex worker

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01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 4: instead of a Vietnam that like, it kind of follows

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 4: these like same like hyper mass, hyper violent tropes that

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01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 4: you'd see and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: When you brought this up, the first thing I kind

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01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: of thought of. And I know that this has changed

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Speaker 1: because there's been subsequent films, but when I first watched

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01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: Mad Max Fury Road and Furiosa kind of shows up

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01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, what is the story here? And you know,

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Speaker 1: she kind of embodies that sort of Western archetype in

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Speaker 1: that way. I mean obviously it's in the desert too,

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01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: which helps, but then you're just sort of wondering like

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Speaker 1: where she comes from and like what her story is.

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01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously they made Furiosa the next

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Speaker 1: movie and they kind of tied up some loose loose sense,

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: but she definitely dropped in feeling like she was.

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Speaker 2: An anthologized character.

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Speaker 1: To me, Yeah, I don't know if you thought that

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Speaker 1: if you'd seen it, but I had.

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Speaker 3: I had.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like I don't I think like that's like

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01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 4: a perfect example because like and I think like that

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01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 4: it's a perfect example too, because like it's like it

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01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 4: colors the whole movie ultimately, like like that like we

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01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 4: have this like pathway in like you know, the character,

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01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 4: the characters sort of being this like comic book like Oh,

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01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 4: there's like all this lore here that we're not really

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 4: seeing immediately like makes the entire reop. Like I mean,

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 4: I remember when I saw Mad Max, when I saw

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01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 4: Fury wrote the first time, just like the the it

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01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 4: feels feeling like a lightning storm in my head or something,

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01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 4: just this like world of like oh my god, like

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01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 4: waters being rationed and there's like these like women like

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 4: kept in this like vault that are like forced birthers,

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01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 4: like yeah, just being like and she's like she's like

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01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 4: the link the link into that. And like also I

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01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 4: think because I mean I qualified all of this as

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01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 4: like I don't know that this is necessarily like a

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01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 4: trope that I've noticed, because like I do think to

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01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 4: some degree like this is like a femme fatale type,

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 4: but like it's not necessarily I think the thing that like,

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01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 4: like I think the Woman with No Name can be

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01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 4: a femme fatale. But I also think like the thing

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 4: that like makes her distinct from just being that is

1344
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 4: like it's it's kind of a main character. It's kind

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01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 4: of a character. It's it's a character that's sort of

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 4: propelling the story forward and and also like is kind

1347
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 4: of the most compelling character in the film. There's no

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01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 4: they're not like outside of the moral center of the

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01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,879
Speaker 4: movie either, Like because.

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Speaker 3: Another one that comes to mind is uh.

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01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,799
Speaker 4: It's another movie that I hadn't seen until like very recently,

1352
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 4: Like I was always a big fan of Texas Chainsaw

1353
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 4: Masacer like the first one, but the UH. I recently

1354
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 4: like worked my way through all of the sequels, which

1355
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 4: are amazing, Like I don't know about the reboot ones

1356
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 4: like that that happened in like the two thousands, but

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01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 4: like those like that og like you know, seventies through

1358
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 4: nineties Texas Chainsaw sequels are like they're all good, and

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Speaker 4: I think my favorite one is the one with Matthew

1360
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 4: McConaughey the Next Generation, and the final girl in it

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 4: is this girl Jenny, and it's like she's just bonkers,

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01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,759
Speaker 4: Like there's there's just no understanding her motivation at all,

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01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 4: Like she seems like kind of like outside she's like

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01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 4: operating outside of like the tropes of like a Final Girl,

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 4: and like is also just like propelling the story forward

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01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 4: in this way where like she.

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Speaker 3: You know because by the end of that.

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01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 4: Movie, like you basically find out that like the family

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01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 4: from Texas Chainsaw Massacre is like some sort of syop

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01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 4: that the literal illuminati is like wow in charge of

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01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 4: and shit, Like it's so and I think like that's

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01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 4: the thing with with with with.

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01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 3: This kind of trope.

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Speaker 4: It's like it like it allows you to like kind

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01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 4: of like move through this like this crazy uh, this

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01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 4: crazy reality of that that like is ever unraveling.

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Speaker 2: Another character that I was thinking about was Trinity from

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01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: The Matrix because it feels like she has like this

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 2: whole other story before The Matrix begins, Like there could

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01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 2: be a whole other movie about that, and she's just

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01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: sort of dropped into the Matrix fully formed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I hadn't even thought of her, but that is

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01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 4: such a good one because yeah, it's like she's she's

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 4: just totally dropped in and also is like there's no

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01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 4: questioning that, like she's good at what she does. There's

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01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 4: no like, yeah, it doesn't need to like I actually,

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Speaker 4: I mean speaking of the Wachowskis.

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Speaker 3: I just rewatched Bound a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, absolutely, I think they both.

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Speaker 4: They both are actually because like to some degree too,

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01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 4: it's crazy.

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01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 3: It's so it's so.

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Speaker 4: Like, god, what a fucking good movie, like and what

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01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 4: a like so good just speaking of like anomalies, like

1395
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 4: it's crazy that that movie existed what it did.

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01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, absolutely, but yeah.

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01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 4: Like when we meet when we meet Jranick gersha or

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01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 4: we quirky, uh, I gotta say her name. Of course,

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01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 4: she just got out of jail. We don't know any

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01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 4: reason why. We just know that she like stole some

1401
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 4: stuff like and that's kind of it. She's also playing

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01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 4: like a jaw harp the entire time, which I think,

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01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 4: like I don't know, that kind of counts as part

1404
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 4: of the trope for me because it's like, I don't know,

1405
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 4: it's it's not quite a cigarette, it's not quite like

1406
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 4: a like a cowboy with a cigarette or whatever. But

1407
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 4: Violet's character, like her character too, like it's just has

1408
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 4: that like full of secrets thing like and even by

1409
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,520
Speaker 4: the end of the movie, you know, there's an interpretation

1410
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 4: of that movie that is just like this is pure

1411
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 4: like romance Love Story, but you could watch it and

1412
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 4: walk away from it going like Violet played everybody like

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01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 4: she literally was like manipulating the entire situation. I have

1414
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 4: no idea if she's actually a lesbian or if she's

1415
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 4: just like kind of using all these people to get

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01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 4: out of the mom Yeah, and I don't know, And

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01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 4: I don't like fault her for it, Like I you could.

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01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:22,480
Speaker 2: See her popping up in another movie completely without you know, like, yeah,

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01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: a quirky. We were talking about David Lynch a lot

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01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 2: before we started recording, but I do feel like he

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01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 2: employs that for a lot of maybe not his like

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: Protect I mean I think you mentioned moholland Drive in

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01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 2: your email, and but also I was just sort of

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01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 2: like thinking through his other movies. I mean, like you

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01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 2: brought up Inland Empire, but also like Joan Chen and

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01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,759
Speaker 2: Twin Peaks, her character is very like where is she from?

1427
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 2: Who what she? You kind of learned about her past,

1428
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: but there's like it feels like there's a lot more there.

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01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 2: And also Dorothy Vallen's from Blue Velvet, it feels like

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01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 2: there's a lot happening. You could see a whole other

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01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 2: movie made before that movie about her.

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01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh I love that. Yeah. No, I mean like

1433
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 3: it's it's it's got to be, it's got to be.

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01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 3: I also.

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01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 4: I want to come back to that, but before I forget,

1436
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 4: just because like it keeps like it keeps leaving my

1437
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 4: mind and then coming back. But I almost think for me,

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01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 4: like I said, like this idea crystallized for me the

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01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 4: most recent time I watched Showgirls, but like if I

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01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 4: trace it back even further, like I the first time

1441
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 4: I hadn't I The first Terminator I ever saw was

1442
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 4: Terminator too.

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01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 2: Me too, And like it's like, yes, I think that's

1444
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 2: a lot of people, but it's it's crazy because like

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01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 2: that's a lot of people.

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01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 4: And when you think about it, it's like you're having

1447
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 4: the experience of like you're meeting Linda hammil You're meeting

1448
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 4: Sarah Connor while she's doing pull ups a mental institution.

1449
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 4: I know, like that is so fucking awesome, and it

1450
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 4: just being like it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter that

1451
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 4: like we don't know that she was a waitress or

1452
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 4: who the hell Kyle Reese is or anything like that.

1453
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 3: Like I think like the like tendrils of like whatever,

1454
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 3: this this this like.

1455
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 4: Obsession because I'm so hesitant to call it an expertise.

1456
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 4: I've I've seen so many movies and I'm so self

1457
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 4: haty that I'm always like but I think it's just

1458
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 4: because like I don't I don't always like know all

1459
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 4: the deep cuts and like you know, I've I've brought

1460
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 4: up like a tech a late Texas Chainsaw sequel here,

1461
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 4: But like I think, like I think like that is

1462
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 4: like I just love, I just I love this idea

1463
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 4: of like you can meet a female character who like

1464
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 4: is like just completely as flawed as a male kid,

1465
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 4: because that's what character is. Like I think that's the

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01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 4: other piece of all this. It's like and not to

1467
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 4: bring it back to like a plug or whatever, but

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01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean one of the things that was, like,

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01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 4: you know, when I first started screening my movie occasionally

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01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 4: and it stopped happening pretty quick, but like occasionally I

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01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 4: would get asked this question of like, like why would

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01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 4: you make a trans character like a villain? And for me,

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01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 4: it was always this thing of like it's it's like

1474
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: what am I supposed to like what kind of character?

1475
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 4: Like what kind of trans character am I supposed to make?

1476
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 4: Like I want to make a trans character that's flawed.

1477
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 4: Like characters are flawed. Like we come into a movie

1478
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 4: watching a character that requires some sort of change or

1479
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 4: some sort of journey. And I think so often like

1480
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 4: women characters and like queer characters and things like that,

1481
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 4: like they're not allowed to they're not allowed to like

1482
01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 4: start from this like flawed, imperfect place. I mean, like

1483
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 4: like jo John Sheen's character in Twin Peaks is a

1484
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 4: perfect example that I hadn't bought him because like we

1485
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 4: know instantly that like there's something up.

1486
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 3: We don't know if like she killed Laura Palmer.

1487
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 4: But like like it's and by the end of it

1488
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 4: being like, oh, she's like a girl who was like

1489
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:24,719
Speaker 4: literally stuck in this pattern of like forced sex work

1490
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 4: and like and like then like just just became this

1491
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 4: like fucking badass like manipulator and then she became like

1492
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 4: a doorknob or something.

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01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: Insane, insane. That's my favorite part of her story is

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01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 2: I think she's the first I could be wrong about this,

1495
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 2: but I think she's the first character we see in

1496
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 2: twin Peaks. She is the show. Yeah, she is absolutely interesting.

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01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 3: It's crazy too, because like.

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01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll be this is a movie podcast but

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01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 4: like Twin Peaks counts as movies, like especially the oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about it that all the time, so

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Speaker 1: I feel like it counts.

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01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 4: The the like the way she does end up showing

1503
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 4: up in the Return, I wish Joan I have a

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01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 4: few like criticisms of the Return, ultimately one of them

1505
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 4: being like I wish I wish they found more of

1506
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 4: a role for Ray Wise, and like I also really

1507
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 4: wish like Joan Chen could have been it, just because

1508
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 4: I think she's fucking brilliant. But like they do show

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01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 4: her again, they show like old footage of her, like

1510
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 4: from the series, and like it's it's such a crazy

1511
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 4: reminder that like when that show starts, like you're introduced,

1512
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 4: you're introduced to Josie and then like there's just a

1513
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 4: dead girl washed up on the shore, Like there's an

1514
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 4: interiortation where it's like she's one of the main characters

1515
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 4: of the show. Yea.

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01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I also another one that I had, This

1517
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 3: is like a super problematic one, but like I don't

1518
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 3: really care as kind of my shit.

1519
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: Like the.

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01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 4: Inn Escape from La Pam Greer plays a trans a

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01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 4: trans woman, and it's like I mean, like if if you.

1522
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: Just got it not I've seen this movie within the

1523
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 2: last two years. I did not remember that. It's it's so.

1524
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 4: It's like a block out of your memory situation, because

1525
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 4: like it's not handled in a way that's like tasteful

1526
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:39,719
Speaker 4: at all, and like it does like like Snake does

1527
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 4: not like her either, like he keeps misgendering or he keeps.

1528
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 3: Like being like whatever, pal like I don't know.

1529
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 4: About this, but like he it's it's kind of it

1530
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 4: kind of like works because like you really just like

1531
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 4: get the sense that like because like the in the

1532
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 4: in the story, they they were partners, like they were

1533
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 4: partners in Detroit and like they were on some job

1534
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 4: and Pam Greer's character like fucked it all up or whatever.

1535
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's like you just get the sense that

1536
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 4: like these two like had a really bad history.

1537
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 2: Like I mean, like it's not cool.

1538
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 4: For Snake Flaskin to be like misgendering a trans woman,

1539
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 4: but maybe we should like listen to his feelings because

1540
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 4: clearly this was not a good this is not a

1541
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 4: good life partner in crime for him. That's one where

1542
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 4: it's like I would give anything to see like some

1543
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 4: sort of like spin off of of that.

1544
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 3: I mean now they would never do it and oh

1545
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 3: my god, I shouldn't.

1546
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. Well, Vera, this has been wonderful.

1547
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on the show to

1548
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 2: talk about your area of expertise and your movie. Is

1549
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 2: there anything else you know besides The People's Joker that

1550
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 2: you want people to to check out right now?

1551
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 3: I do, I have some plugs.

1552
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 4: The People's Joker is on movie, but you know you

1553
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 4: you can also find it in other legally precarious ways

1554
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 4: if that's more your jam, or if you're you know,

1555
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 4: don't want to don't want to shell out subscription fee.

1556
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,959
Speaker 4: It also is available on physical media at our physical

1557
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 4: media run of it is so good, Like we have

1558
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 4: it on VHS. I panned and scanned it on VHS myself. Uh.

1559
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 4: It also is on Blu Ray. It's loaded with special features.

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01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 4: Highly recommend you check that out if you if you're

1561
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 4: into the movie, or if you like haven't seen it

1562
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 4: seen it before, Like that's the perfect perfect way to

1563
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 4: watch it.

1564
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 3: And we still screen it all the time.

1565
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 4: If you want to screen it, uh somewhere in your area,

1566
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 4: just hit me up on Instagram or blue Sky or Twitter.

1567
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 4: I still go on there sometimes ve're Drew twenty two.

1568
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 4: I also want to plug two movies that I worked on.

1569
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 4: I just edited Alice Mayo McKay's new movie, which is

1570
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 4: called The Serpent's Skin, and uh, it is so good.

1571
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 4: It is her best movie. It's like a psycho, witchy, lesbian,

1572
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 4: toxic romance movie and is a lot of fun.

1573
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun to put together.

1574
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 4: And I'm also in a movie that Josh Fatum started, and.

1575
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 2: Nick end of the Show's on the show.

1576
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 4: Josh fu love Josh Fatum so much, like Josh Fatum

1577
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 4: is is one of the best we have. Like he's pure,

1578
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 4: just so pure, and like his best work is ahead

1579
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 4: of him. But we're in a movie together called Every

1580
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 4: Heavy Thing that's premiering at Beyond Fest next month.

1581
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 3: Amazing. Yeah, so check that out if.

1582
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 2: Credible. I missed Beyond Fest me too. Well, Vara, thank

1583
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 2: you so much, and yeah, good luck with everything.

1584
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for having me. This was a lot of fun.

1585
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 2: All right. We're back for employees picks film recommendations based

1586
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 2: on the theme of our discussion, Millie, what is your pick,

1587
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 2: fellow employee, Well, because we.

1588
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: Just talked about Arnold and because you had mentioned that

1589
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: you did not see any of the Conan movies from

1590
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: the early eighties. I have to recommend Conan the Destroyer

1591
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty four.

1592
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 2: And uh.

1593
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, people have their opinions or their tolerance levels

1594
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: for what they call sword and sandal movies, which is

1595
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: basically like just what you imagine guys that were sandals,

1596
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: that wieled swords, and there's kind of this like sorcery

1597
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: or fantasy element to it or whatever. It's a sequel

1598
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: to Conan the Barbarian, which came out a couple of

1599
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: years before. And you know, it's kind of like, man,

1600
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 1: it is like a display of Arnold's body in a

1601
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: way that you just like cannot fathom.

1602
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 2: Like he just looks like.

1603
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: He looks like a goddamn Hercules, and you know, he's

1604
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: got like a little he's got his hair long, and

1605
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: he's got you know, his little headband on or whatever.

1606
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: But it's great, uh. And I love Coda the Destroyer

1607
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: more than The Barbarian.

1608
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 2: I just think it's just too is red Sonia part

1609
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 2: of it?

1610
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: I feel like red Sonia was directed by the same guy,

1611
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: Richard Fleischer who did The destroy ConA and the Destroyer,

1612
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: so maybe that's the tie. But and it's also, you know,

1613
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: again a sort of Sandal movie. But Coding the Detroyer

1614
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: are super fun. Uh over the top. Grace Jones is

1615
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: in it. That's probably the most memorable character besides Wilt Chamberlain.

1616
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: But I know it's fantastic though, Like it is so

1617
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: much fun. I can Arnold in his prime, in his

1618
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 1: prime eighty four that's when Terminator came out, like he

1619
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: is ready to go. So I don't know if you're

1620
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:23,480
Speaker 1: gonna enter the world of these movies, I would say, just.

1621
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 2: Just go to codin the Destroyer share I One thing

1622
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 2: I really appreciate about Arnold is that I actually feel

1623
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 2: like he sought out good directors on occasion. And also

1624
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 2: I liked that he made sci fi movies, like he

1625
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:45,919
Speaker 2: really did move towards sci fi and including Predator, I suppose.

1626
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 2: But one of my favorites of his sci fi movies

1627
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 2: is Total Recall by Paul Verhoven. I mean, we're we

1628
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 2: we've gone on a record on this podcast. We love

1629
01:32:55,200 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 2: Paul Verhoven and Total Recall is great set on Mars.

1630
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 2: It's kind of a trippy, real sci fi movie, and

1631
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 2: I don't think a movie would like that would get

1632
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 2: made if unless Arnold attached himself to that movie, you

1633
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I think it's really cool

1634
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 2: that he did that and made that movie, and it's great.

1635
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 2: It's just like very imaginative and weird and dark and

1636
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 2: set on Mars, and I love total recall. I want

1637
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 2: to watch it again. I know that's my wreck, so

1638
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 2: super fun.

1639
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 1: I think the most iconic thing I've ever seen in

1640
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: an Arl movie is when he comes into the little

1641
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 1: airport as the lady and then his face disassembles it

1642
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: it's him.

1643
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 2: Uh huh. I thought you were going to say the

1644
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 2: three boobed woman because that was very enticing. Yeah, I

1645
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 2: love a three boob woman. She's super hot.

1646
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:54,799
Speaker 4: Man.

1647
01:33:55,560 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard the expression Martini's are like boobs

1648
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 2: on a woman. One's not enough and three's too many?

1649
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that? No, I've never heard.

1650
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: That in my entire life.

1651
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 2: I think I heard. I think that line is in

1652
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 2: the movie Parallax View. I don't know why I remember that,

1653
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 2: but it isn't there. Well.

1654
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't even really drink martinis unless they have twenty

1655
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: olives in them, So okay, there you.

1656
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 2: Go uh, Millie, thank you for talking about Predator with me. Yeah,

1657
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 2: the light. Thank you Vera Drew for coming on and

1658
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 2: talking about the woman with no namely. That was a

1659
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 2: fun conversation. That was awesome, which is so cool. We

1660
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 2: want to talk about next week. Maybe I would love

1661
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 2: to touch upon next week. We've got a big holiday

1662
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 2: coming up. Huh my least favorite holiday. Same here. Yes, uh,

1663
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 2: we're going to talk. Glad we're in agreeance. That's fun.

1664
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know.

1665
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 1: We don't have to agree on everything, but the most

1666
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 1: important things are that Halloween is great, Christmas is great,

1667
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: and thanks Giving.

1668
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 2: Should go to hell. Hell yeah. And we're gonna be talking.

1669
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 1: About Thanksgiving movies or you know, movies that are set

1670
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 1: around or in Thanksgiving. And so we're gonna talk about

1671
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 1: On Lee's nineteen ninety seven movie The Ice Storm. Gonna

1672
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: have a lot to say about that movie. It's a

1673
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:15,919
Speaker 1: it's a favorite of mine.

1674
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 2: So it's good. Can't wait to watch it again. It's

1675
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,759
Speaker 2: been a few years. Yeah. My friend and co worker

1676
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 2: Kara Klank, the comedian Kara Clank, host of co host

1677
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 2: of That's Messed Up. This movie was shot in her hometown.

1678
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,480
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Is it new Haven, Connecticut?

1679
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 2: I believe so. Yeah. I've never been to Connecticut me neither.

1680
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 2: I was afraid that they wouldn't like let me in

1681
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 2: or something I would be. I was afraid they were

1682
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 2: gonna be too excited to have me there, enthusiastic. We

1683
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 2: love we love this guy. Okay, Well, you know that's

1684
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 2: the show. If you want to.

1685
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:00,680
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1686
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1688
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Speaker 1: ourselves at Casey le O'Brien and at m de Cherco.

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Speaker 2: Listen to Deer Movies I Love You on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and rate

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Speaker 2: and review our show. Please, actually, Millily, I have one

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Speaker 2: last thing I want to plug plug it. So in

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve, I started working on a feature film with

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Speaker 2: my friends. It's called Pockets, and we finished filming in

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Speaker 2: like twenty fourteen. We did it like on weekends, and

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Speaker 2: I just finished it last year and you can watch

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Speaker 2: it on Vimeo right now. I did the whole score,

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Speaker 2: I shot it, I edited it, I directed it, and

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Speaker 2: it's kind of a fun time capsule of twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: But it's sort of a spooky movie in black and white.

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Speaker 2: There's no dialogue, but it is about a girl who

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Speaker 2: goes back to her room in her apartment and everything

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Speaker 2: is missing and she doesn't know why. And it's sort

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Speaker 2: of nourish, little Lyncheon. Check it out on my Instagram

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Speaker 2: page at Casey le O'Brien and watch it. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of fun.

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Speaker 1: Check it out, intriguing. I want to have more congratulations

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Speaker 1: on finishing. By the way, I know how hard thank

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Speaker 1: you to finish creative projects.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was hard because there was no I

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Speaker 2: had to redo the sound and the entire score myself. Wow,

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Speaker 2: and that took a really long time. But I did

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Speaker 2: it well and it's I think it's pretty good. I

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Speaker 2: think it's kind of a fun little it's like an

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Speaker 2: hour sixteen minutes. Oh, that's good. That's good. Anyways, check

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Speaker 2: it out. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well, on that note, thanks everybody for listening. You're the best.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye everyone.

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Speaker 1: This has been and exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfolgal. Our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain. Our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jerico, we love you. Goodbye

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Speaker 2: Beker