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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat, Black Michigan. Jay Frog just strutting

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Speaker 2: my ragtime gal. What's up everyone? It's time for our

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Speaker 2: Wednesday edition of Morning Combat. Hi there, I'm Washington forty three.

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Speaker 2: My co host is Washington forty four. Why the fuck

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Speaker 2: are you watching this show? Makes no sense? But well

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Speaker 2: it's Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm one

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Speaker 2: half of your hosting duo. I joined you from the

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Speaker 2: capitals of the Status Needles right here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: Joined by I mean, look at this piece of work.

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Speaker 2: What's up right?

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Speaker 3: Get? The answer to your question is relatability, because I

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Speaker 3: think the viewers of this show, you know, Spider Man

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Speaker 3: and Meme, in some ways, they feel like they're looking

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Speaker 3: have turned into that. But Luke, you know there there's

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Speaker 3: only two, right, There's only two of us that can

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Speaker 3: hold this thrown down, win all these awards, juggle this

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Speaker 3: many combat sports and be this incredible. Luke, yes you

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Speaker 3: have entered Morning Kombat. Yeah baby, yeah, all right, right right,

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, we gotta fun.

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Speaker 2: No, no, we got we got a fun one for

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Speaker 2: you guys today. There's all our social stuff. Give us

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Speaker 2: a follow, give us the follow on TikTok. You, I

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Speaker 2: gotta tell you, the more I use TikTok, the more

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Speaker 2: It's great. Off one post, I got fifty thousand followers

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Speaker 3: Wait for sensory addiction, Luke, Okay, just put that on

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Speaker 3: the you know, on the track level of I must

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Speaker 3: I don't need your your you know, relevancy to the youth,

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Speaker 3: you know, your connections to what to what will be? Luke,

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Speaker 3: You're what you are, what was, And until you're ready

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Speaker 3: to deal with that, Luke, you're gonna have a lot

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Speaker 3: of meaningless apps on your phone, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, don't know what you're saying, don't really care, but

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Speaker 2: I do want to tell you what's going to be

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Speaker 2: two U I should say, two MMA events this weekend.

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Speaker 2: seventy two dollars. We always say, if you're complaining about

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Speaker 2: It's okay in certain ways, but you get to go.

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Speaker 3: As I said Monday, it's better than the pay per

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Speaker 2: I just don't know if I fully agree with that.

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Speaker 3: But Luke, Dana would go on to announce that that

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Speaker 2: And then you said, I'm sorry, you said when was

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Speaker 3: Also, Luke, if you were willing to make a bet,

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Speaker 3: So you don't think Henry's Whodo could go the full

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Speaker 2: That's right, you did look thirty seven years of age.

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Speaker 2: How good do you expect Gayguard Musasi to be?

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Speaker 3: But against Eblin that was something that just wasn't working

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. I mean I'm basically there. It's for Edwards.

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Speaker 2: So there's a question there where it's like maybe Musas

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, people will like your fights that you make.

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Speaker 3: You know that's I mean, that's a fair comeback, Luke.

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Speaker 3: Ball, slicing up these hot takes one after another over here, right, Luke.

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it. You're a chef chopping the block,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Luke. Let me tell you it's a minus two

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Speaker 2: We see in your comaine Brent primis taken on Mansur Barnowi.

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Speaker 2: seven back in twenty twenty two. He's taken on Brent Premise. Here,

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Speaker 2: Brent premis a little long in the tooth at this point,

427
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: thirty eight years of age. He's lost well two of

428
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 2: his last three, but it were to Islam Mamadov and

429
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 2: Alexander Shablie and of course Benson Henderson. He got a

430
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: win there. Still, dude, Barnowi looks like he might be

431
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 2: the true dark horse of this tournament. He looks like

432
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 2: he's got good ground and pound, good takedowns, good sweeps,

433
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 2: really understands that part of the world that the game.

434
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 2: I should say he'll be the hometown favor by considerable

435
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 2: mile he could strike as well. I like his chances, man,

436
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you.

437
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Look thirty years old, eight fight win streak,

438
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 3: including having won that Bellatour debut. You mentioned last lock

439
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: Cober against Piccolotti, and look you look over this run

440
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 3: which was in KSW and Road FC leading into Bellatour.

441
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: He's turning some heads. And this was supposed to be

442
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 3: Sidney Outlaw as we know when this one million Dollar

443
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: Tournament was first announced, All outlaw? What did he pop forapds? Luke?

444
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: Is that what happened? Yeah? Like like seven or eight of them?

445
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, he had the Durell Big Baby Miller mixture,

446
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 3: which is everything that they offer, Luke. But look, here's

447
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 3: the deal, premise, former champion, not young in his career

448
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: at thirty eight, but is coming off of stoppage loss, Luke.

449
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: But he has juggled wins and losses in recent years

450
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 3: against decent competition. Had to win over Benson Henderson, whatever

451
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: you want to make of that point in this portion

452
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 3: of Benson's career though, and we did see Bence Anderson

453
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 3: just recently go up and fight at the title level

454
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 3: in the one million Dollar Tournament but yeah, I'm interested

455
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 3: to see what but what Belatzor potentially has here in

456
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 3: Mansore and Luke. He has not lost since twenty sixteen

457
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,959
Speaker 3: to a current UFC fighter for the KSW Lightweight Championship.

458
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: Which fighter was that?

459
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: Luke? For which way class?

460
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: This was? For the KSW vacant Lightweight Championship. He lost

461
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 3: a unanimous three round decision in twenty sixteen.

462
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.

463
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: In Poland, Luke? In Poland?

464
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 2: Oh, was it the grappler, the Polish grappling kid.

465
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: The tascamrat. Yes, yes, you're right, you're correct, the Polish

466
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: grappler Luke, And so you know, we've seen the high

467
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: level he's been with in the past. He's had a

468
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 3: straight wins since then. Let's see what he can do

469
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 3: here against premise interesting Luke in this bracket, Like, who's

470
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 3: gonna end up coming out of here? What are your

471
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: thoughts about this tournament in general? We got some big

472
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: names in here. What have we seen so far? We've

473
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 3: seen Benson Henderson lose his title bid against Nirmaga Medoff.

474
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: I forgot what what's the secondary matchup in that? Do

475
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: you remember?

476
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: I have to look at the brackets in front of me.

477
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: This is obviously the one part of the quarterfinals. I

478
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: like it well. First of all, I like the tournament,

479
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: I do. I really like this matchup because I think

480
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: it gives Brent Premise a chance to get some redemption.

481
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: By the way, BARNOWI minus three ninety Brent Premiss plus

482
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: three twenty, so he is up against It would be

483
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: a very big upset for him to get this, So

484
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: that would be massively redemptive again in the guy's hometown

485
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 2: on top of it. But for Barnow, I just have

486
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 2: a feeling, Dude, he's gonna be in the finals. I

487
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 2: don't know if he's gonna win, but I feel like, man,

488
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: he's gonna beat a lot of people that no one

489
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: expects him to or would otherwise not pay attention. And

490
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: so I think it's good that they're featuring him in Paris, France.

491
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: But I I he's gonna break some people's hearts.

492
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: I feel like that, well, he may not break as

493
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: many as you think given the brackets set up. So

494
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: u Usman Normaga Medoff made the first defense of his

495
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: belt or lightweight title in beating the former champion Benson

496
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: Henderson in first runs mission the winner of this Barnowi

497
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: versus Premise fight on Friday faces the champion, and then

498
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: on the other side of the bracket, we've already seen

499
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 3: Alexander Shabilee stop Tofiq Musaiah in the third round. We've

500
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: yet to see though, wow Aj McKee against Petricky Pitbull.

501
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: The winner of that will take on so I didn't

502
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: know there.

503
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen, if the winner of this has

504
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: to fight Usman, I don't like either of their chances.

505
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: I will say I think I think Barnow he gives

506
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: Usman some problems, though I do believe that that.

507
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: Would be interesting. I mean, look at the end of

508
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: the day, man, I mean, these belitar tournaments have pretty

509
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: much played out lately either in perfect case scenario or

510
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 3: in oh wow, didn't see that coming. But this is

511
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 3: a strong final. We're gonna find out who's best. I mean,

512
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: we got Patchie versus Ralfion in that last tournament was

513
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: perfect timing for both. Uh. If we don't end up

514
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 3: though with Aj McKee versus uswander Maga medoff, you know

515
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: this is you roll out the balls for these tournaments,

516
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 3: and that's what I like about them. You face who

517
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 3: you face right there. There's no pre planning here, but

518
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: that's arguably the best fight Bellator can make as an organization.

519
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not necessarily for like main event on CBS

520
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 3: to try to, you know, make some major moves. But

521
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: what's the best fight this promotion can make. It? Maybe

522
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 3: that one. Let's find out if we end up getting

523
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: to that. You know, who knows, who knows.

524
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: Fair enough BC? Anything else from this card really interest you,

525
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: I will say, listen to this. Douglas Lima at one

526
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: time a guy who had an argument for best welterweight

527
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: on Earth, certainly top three at his peak. I would

528
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: say he's taking on Costello Vanstinas, who is a good

529
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: I would say international class fighter. Douglas Lima is a

530
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: plus one thirty five. Can you believe it? He's an

531
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: underdog against Van steenas BC, I understand it. Douglas Lima

532
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: has fallen on hard times. This is a huge fight

533
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: for his future, if he has one at all. At

534
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: this point, no.

535
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 3: Doubt he hasn't want to fight since twenty nineteen, by

536
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 3: the way, that was rematch with Roy McDonald in the

537
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: one million dollar final of that milterweight Weltweight World Grand Prix. So, Luke,

538
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: it's four straight defeats for Lois.

539
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: This is.

540
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: Sure in some of those defeats, you know, I mean

541
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: he moved up to middleweight and lost to gay Guard.

542
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: You're not gonna hold that hugely against him. He got

543
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 3: railroaded by Yuoslav Amislav. He does that to everybody, Luke.

544
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 3: There was that split decision against Michael Page where I

545
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 3: think he had to like the survival instincts of Lima,

546
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: switching to wrestling late in that fight, doing whatever he

547
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: could to try to, you know, hang in there. Then

548
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 3: he lost a real opportunity to come back in the

549
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: standings there in the rankings against Jason Jackson, a five

550
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: round decision. So it's not that it's been lifeless and uncompetitive,

551
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: but it's been a steep slide. Now at thirty five,

552
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: four straight defeats from where he was one million dollars

553
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: richer and in the argument of maybe best in the

554
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 3: world at his weight class. Now we've got him, as

555
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: you mentioned, back up at middleweight here and by the way,

556
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 3: Luke Vince owns a recent decision went over one Fabian

557
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: Edwards who is in the main event. So tough matchmaking. Again,

558
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out if Douglas Lima can survive this

559
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: in advance to more, Luke, or if we have to

560
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: have a different conversation at five losses in a row,

561
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: I mean entering that gay Guard fight, whether you believed

562
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: in Lima's chances of moving up and weighing and winning

563
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 3: that title or not. You wouldn't have believed me if

564
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: I told you this was the next four fight result, Luke, I.

565
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: Know, no, No, I would never I would never have

566
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: it met I would Meague. You could have maybe convinced

567
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: me he would go fifty to fifty after that, But

568
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: like Zho and four, No, I would not have believed that.

569
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: And I like that he's going to one to eighty five.

570
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: He has been vocal of late that now at thirty

571
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: five years of age, going to one seventy just kills him.

572
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: It just really really compromises him. And so you I

573
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: don't think he can take the kind of punishment that

574
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: ordinarily he'd be able to take. But more to the point, BC,

575
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: in that five round fight against Jason Jackson, he just

576
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: got out wrestled and then to some degree a little

577
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: bit out hustled. And I wonder to what extent that

578
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: win cut really impacted like how much he was rationing offense,

579
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: you know, just to like, I want to punt on

580
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: this round so I could maybe win the next one

581
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: or whatever at one eighty five. Let's see what it

582
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: does for his zip and his willingness to like really

583
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: engage offensively or if he shot Changing weight classes isn't

584
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 2: gonna fix that?

585
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: You know, no, it's not. And then we're out. You know,

586
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: we're certainly asking a lot of them in this matchup,

587
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: and to be fair, the idea of maybe getting out worked.

588
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 3: I mean, look, the first fight against Rory, he got

589
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: out worked in that fifth round. It was a great fight,

590
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: was a classic belowtor title fight at the Forum in Englewood.

591
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember that. They went into

592
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: the fifth round dead even and Rory just out wrestled

593
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: him and just out strategized him to get the win there. Now,

594
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 3: obviously Liama bounced back from that, regained the title one

595
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 3: million dollars and really reached the pinnacle point of his career.

596
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: But are some of those same issues of the past.

597
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: Do those get re emphasized on a larger scale when

598
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: you age? Of course, now you're not just aging, you're

599
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: going into a new weight class. Uh expect him to

600
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: be a wrestler in this matchup, Luke, you know, I

601
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean that the reaction time, the speed,

602
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: the aggressiveness, it is certainly not the same level it

603
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: once was. Can he reinvent himself in general at middle

604
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: waight as something I'm certainly looking to see.

605
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: I just the answer. I think all of that is

606
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: possible actually, because it's just not I just can't say

607
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: how much the cut drained him until we see a

608
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: better example like this one. And I know he fought

609
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: previously at this weight class, but I mean, like what

610
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: stage he's in now? Can he beat some incredible but

611
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: beatable I guess we'll have to see. I guess we'll

612
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: have to see, But I think it's possible. I think

613
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: it's possible he could extend his career a little bit

614
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: with some smart tactical strategies, tactical changes and some physical rejuvenation.

615
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: But even that as an uphill climb also in this

616
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 2: car quite to wrap things up here, Denise skillhots as

617
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: a minus two fifty five favorite against Paula Christina Brett Johns,

618
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: The UFC veteran out of Wales, was supposed to be

619
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: on the car, but he got staph infection, so he's off,

620
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: and then there's a series of other players on here.

621
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: Bec If there's anything that stands out to you, let

622
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: me know. But I don't think that there is.

623
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: No you know, you know, Luke, you know I'm looking

624
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 3: for for my type of people on the undercard, right,

625
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: like Rat Garbage, right, you know Nandel Mallow.

626
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: He's no longer in Belator.

627
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: I don't think I know neither is my guy Big Tuna,

628
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: who I I'm always looking for for our guy as well, Luke.

629
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: Did you see Big Tuna signed on with what was

630
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: Frank Mere's UFL the organization he's fighting with. Was that

631
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: that was the UFL?

632
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: Correct? Yes, I believe that's the name. Yes, I believe

633
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: that's right, United Fighters League or something.

634
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: So Big Tuna Ben Parrish has signed on to fight

635
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 3: with them. Luke could not be cheering more for this

636
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: guy on his comeback there, Luke, he lost, He had

637
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: a close disputed loss there in the LFA, but now

638
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Speaker 3: he's retooling the dice. I don't know if you saw

639
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Speaker 3: the shout out he gave us on ig wh're you

640
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Speaker 3: know we're huge, Big tuna guys over here.

641
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Speaker 2: We are big tuna guys. I don't know if I

642
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Speaker 2: saw it. I may have seen it.

643
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Speaker 3: You know, he may have called you his favorite journalist

644
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Speaker 3: in MMA. It's possible, you know what I mean.

645
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Speaker 2: He may have called Well, I get a lot of

646
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Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta imagine my you know.

647
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Speaker 3: You're like, I get that a lot.

648
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Speaker 2: So quite the opposite, Like I have to wade through

649
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Speaker 2: a lot of people say hey, yeah, yeah, so I

650
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Speaker 2: have to just kind of like tune it out a

651
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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 3: Look, you have significantly more followers than I do, which

653
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Speaker 3: means you face significantly more hate than I do. Okay, yeah,

654
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

655
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how people with like a million

656
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Speaker 2: followers do it unless they're like celebrities or something.

657
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: But I think they just don't check, you know, they

658
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Speaker 3: just don't.

659
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just punk. They just punk.

660
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Speaker 3: They post in ghosts, Heyluke, breaking news and them may

661
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Speaker 3: Are you ready for this?

662
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Speaker 2: I want to get your quick let's hear it.

663
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Speaker 3: The PFL has announced two times Glory Kickboxing welterweight champion

664
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Speaker 3: Cedric doom Bay.

665
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: PFL got him. Wow, Wow, Cedric Doombay is just a

666
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: phenomenal phenomenal kickboxer who was announced with UFC and then

667
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: it was like, oh wait, no he's not at all

668
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: and now he he ended up with PFL. Interesting. Interesting

669
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Speaker 2: did he say what he's did doing?

670
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Speaker 3: No, but they got him. They might get Francis and Ghano,

671
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: They got Jake Paul for whatever that's worth.

672
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Speaker 2: Luke, they're trying to get Bellatore. They're trying to get

673
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Speaker 2: bellafort Just chips all in is what they're doing. I

674
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Speaker 2: like the I like the aggressive.

675
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Speaker 3: We're gonna find out pretty soon how smart that Cage

676
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Speaker 3: really is at the negotiation table. You know what I mean?

677
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Speaker 2: I mean, if PFL goes bust, I don't think that

678
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: Cage was all that smart, BC, I gotta tell you.

679
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: Not that smart. You could tell me the miles per

680
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: hour of that guy's ball BA bag swinging back and forth,

681
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: but you know you couldn't sweeten the pot on some

682
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Speaker 3: of this negotiation, you know.

683
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Speaker 2: What I mean?

684
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: Or is it all I did?

685
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: I cannot believe how committed they are to absolute fake

686
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: math that means nothing and then plastering it on the

687
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Speaker 2: screen season after season after see it's like shocking that

688
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: they keep doing it, all right, BC, neither here nor there.

689
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Let's go to topic number two here. We do have

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Speaker 2: a UFC event this weekend. It will air on ABC.

691
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Speaker 2: It's the fourth such event to do that. But it's

692
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Speaker 2: also called UFC Fight Night Jaira Rosenstrike taking on Gileton

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Speaker 2: Almeta or UFC Charlotte because it does in fact take

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Speaker 2: place in Charlotte, North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: I believe ask you a critical question. Can I answer

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Speaker 3: rut the quickly?

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Speaker 2: Quickly, the quickly, the Spectrum Center in Charlotte. There you go.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this question, Luke, because we got

699
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Speaker 3: to it's on our rundown. We didn't get to it

700
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Speaker 3: really fully on Monday, but it's on our rundown today.

701
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Speaker 3: Let's just talk about the UFC in general. We will,

702
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Speaker 3: but as an extension of that of where we are,

703
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: where we're going matchmaking business wise, I thought, just like

704
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: I thought International Fight wek used to mean something. We're

705
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: gonna bang you DP right, We're gonna hit you with

706
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Speaker 3: two main events you care about here. We didn't necessarily

707
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Speaker 3: do that in July this year, the ABC close ups

708
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: if you remember UFC on Fox right like the close ups,

709
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: the ten poll, the quarterly check ins, remember Dyla Shassa

710
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Speaker 3: Judo was a ESPN Plus kickoff the deal card. Like

711
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: sometimes you get these non pay per views that are

712
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 3: meant to be Powerhouse superstar cards. Max Holloway versus Calvin

713
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Speaker 3: Cater that time on ABC. I like a lot of

714
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Speaker 3: this card up and down. But true or false? Is

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Speaker 3: Jia Zernio Rosenstrouke versus a guy we all love a

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Speaker 3: lot who's rising in Gileton Almeida? Is that an ABC

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Speaker 3: main event? Luke No?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll say this, like I don't mind Almeida

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Speaker 2: getting a great spotlight because I do think that he

720
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Speaker 2: has an interesting future. He's a really big light heavyweight

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Speaker 2: basically that's plenty big for heavyweight and has a uniquely

722
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Speaker 2: dangerous game given who is at heavyweight, by virtue of

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Speaker 2: how he can compete physically and then the advanced skills

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Speaker 2: that he has in the grappling department. He is like

725
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Speaker 2: Curtis Blades can wrestle, for example. But like you know,

726
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: like who's the best heavyweight grappler in MMA? I guess

727
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: you might say John Jones, but even then, and he

728
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: did get the sub on Cyril Gone, But like I

729
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: would argue someone like Busha Marcus Almeida, who's like, I think,

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Speaker 2: an eleven time world champion at the black belt level.

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Speaker 2: In the G he fights for one UH or one championship. Now,

732
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Speaker 2: he's not the best heavyweight, you know, but when saying

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Speaker 2: like a submission focused heavyweight, he's that kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: But as an MMA fighter, he's obviously even behind Jaylton Amid,

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Speaker 2: although I wonder how a fight like that might go.

736
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Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, these guys are rare.

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Speaker 2: The heavyweight submission specialist dude. Back in the days of

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Speaker 2: Kator and Barnett and Verdome and even to Alexi Lenox

739
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: still around, the heavyweight submission expert used to be kind

740
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Speaker 2: of a more common archetype. So to answer the question,

741
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to see a guy like that who's bringing

742
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: back the old school vibe with a new school game.

743
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: To an extent, I like that, but as an attraction

744
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: for people in North Carolina, I don't get it. I

745
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: don't get it at all. It doesn't make any sense

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Speaker 2: to me. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, so quick question. We're gonna break down these matchups.

748
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: But Anthony Smith versus Johnny Walker is the Colonus. Even

749
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Speaker 3: though I've made that comment in the past, what was

750
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: an Anthony Smith Ryan's span. We had a little argument.

751
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: I was like, that's not a I mean remember that

752
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: was like two years ago. I was like, that's not

753
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Speaker 3: a main event. And you're like, Anthony Smith is musty

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00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 3: TV every time out And you know what, Luke, I'll

755
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: jump in there and correct myself and say, after meeting him,

756
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: after knowing what makes that guy you know tick, I

757
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 3: love that man. That's factory town mma. I actually might

758
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: have popped more for Anthony Smith versus Johnny Walker as

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00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 3: a main event here. Neither here nor there. Luke Rosenstruk

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Speaker 3: will be a plus three to ninety main event underdog

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Speaker 3: here against the minus four ninety rising Jarleton Almeida. I

762
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Speaker 3: do echo what you're saying about Almeida that I want

763
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: to see what we have here because it seems to

764
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: be something unique and special and a and a runaway

765
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 3: rising force here in this division. Roses Struke has lost

766
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: four of his last set, in three of them by knockout.

767
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: I mean it's we're not pasted it on him completely, right,

768
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 3: but we are we are, like, I mean, where where

769
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Speaker 3: do you stand on Rosenstrigg at this pot because even

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00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: some of his biggest wins he was losing up until

771
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: that point. It's sort of who he is, Luke. But

772
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 3: there hasn't been improvements out of this guy.

773
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he just hasn't. Really he brought an

774
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: interesting game, especially like his first four fights. He brought

775
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: like a really interesting game with his counterpunching, his accuracy,

776
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: you know, like that Urlawsky win was real nice and

777
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: I think still means something to this day. But we

778
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Speaker 2: just didn't get anything else really beyond that, like the

779
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: Overem fight, Like Oveream for the most part was winning

780
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: that fight, like you could say whatever you want. In

781
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: the end, Overem was the one doing the better work,

782
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: and he just hasn't had a second gear. Like to me, again,

783
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: the reason why I kind of like this fight is

784
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: because this is I'm not saying, I'm not guaranteeing Almeida

785
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: will win, but it looks to me like the UFC

786
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: is like, Aha, we got something with this guy. Let's

787
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: give him a tough test on the feet that we

788
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: know like he can't answer, but a winnable fight in

789
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: the grappling department. You know, you would imagine and if

790
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: he doesn't make any errors, you know, the kind of

791
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: dumb ones that a guy who's not very good. If

792
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: you can avoid those, he should win this one. And

793
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: so there's trying to see, like is this a guy

794
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: who's going to maximize the skill set or like fall

795
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: prey to his own mistakes. I tend to think he's

796
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: the former, not the latter. So it's a setup fight

797
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: for him in that sense. I just don't I don't

798
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: see where the promotional future is for him. I don't

799
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: see what lane he can carve in terms of not

800
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 2: you can beat good guys this fight to that fight,

801
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: Like you can't ever really count him out. But you

802
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: just can't seem to get behind a plan like draw

803
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: a straight line from where he's at to the championship

804
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: and show me how that works. Like there's too many

805
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: things in the way for me to believe that's actually

806
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: a reasonable path. And with Almeida, Sky's the limit, it

807
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: seems like, right, yude.

808
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: This guy is the limit. Thirty one years old from Brazil.

809
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: Twelve fight winning streak is when all four UFC fights

810
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: in addition plus that Dana White contender and Luke of

811
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: this twelve fight win streak all twelve were stoppages, seven

812
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: were by submission, including three under the UFC or Dana

813
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: White Contender Series banner. Now, granted, look, he hasn't faced

814
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: extremely high level UFC competition. His best wins are, you know,

815
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: Shamil Abdurah Kimov in Parker Porter. But this is that

816
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: step up, This is that close up. This is that

817
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: opportunity to be a guy who's faced all the best,

818
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: as you said in Rosenstruk and look I am wrong.

819
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: I was being a little bit, you know, dramatic and

820
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: saying this card is better than the pay per view

821
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Speaker 3: before and after it. This card also recently lost mackenzie

822
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: during versus Angela Hill, which has been substituted into that

823
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 3: May twentieth Fight Night main event opening that fell apart

824
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: when Aldana Pennington two got canned because Paynia had to

825
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: pull out. Now Al Dana's gonna fight Newness. And by

826
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Speaker 3: the way, Amanda Nunis came out publicly and said al

827
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: Dana had deserved it all along, not Paynya. We all

828
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: said that same thing. But you know, I think McKenzie

829
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: during Star Power makes it lose a bit. But I

830
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: do like this card up and down and it's not

831
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Speaker 3: just I mean, I mean, look, we got d Rod

832
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 3: versus Ian Gary here like this is a good ass

833
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: sort of like, oh it's free, but there's some killer

834
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: fights on this thing.

835
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm there's some killer fights on this one. So

836
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: we talked about the main event. Again, there's not a

837
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: really great storyline. To me, it's the Jaylton al Mada show.

838
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Speaker 2: Can he make use of it? Can he not Ken

839
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 2: rosens ruin the party? Can he get you know, extend

840
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: his career a little bit? But by the way, excuse me,

841
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: we know that heavyweight's age more. He's thirty five, so

842
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: that's definitely not old for heavyweight. But to your point, BC,

843
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: the lack of evolution makes you think like, well, he's

844
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 2: not physically out of it, but I don't know exactly

845
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: what he's going to do to move the needle. I

846
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: made it obviously in a different position. Let's talk about

847
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: that comine event, Anthony Smith taking on Johnny Walker. Smith

848
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: enters this contest, by the way, at thirty four years

849
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Speaker 2: of age, so though's got a lot of injuries, a

850
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: lot of miles on him. Having last fought against Maca

851
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: Man on Calia BC, he fought three times in twenty

852
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: twenty I think two times in twenty twenty one, one

853
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: time in twenty twenty two, and this will be, of

854
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: course his first fight in twenty twenty three. Declining amount

855
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: of activity, partly related to injury, partly related to some

856
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: just bad luck along the way. By contrast, Johnny Walker

857
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: enters this contest he is just thirty one years of age.

858
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: BC two fight winning streak over Ewan kute Laba and

859
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: Paul Craig, winning both of those inside of the first round,

860
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: after losing four of his last five previously. That boy,

861
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: I gotta SAYBC, the turnaround on Johnny Walker has been

862
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: pretty nice. I just don't know how. I don't know

863
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 2: if it will sustain itself. I remember after the Jamal

864
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: Hill loss, we were like, man Walker tried to retool

865
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: his game and it just did not go. And he

866
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: has rebounded very nicely, and that Paul Craig win was

867
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: also really nice. But BC, here's my question. He gets

868
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: these wins in the first round, these explosive, amazing knockouts,

869
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: You're like, goddamn, he's good, and then the next fight

870
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: after that he'll have like a five round stinker. He'll

871
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: be like dude, where was that guy from the last fight?

872
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: You know? So, do you believe he has turned a corner?

873
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: Or is it certain kind of fights will look good,

874
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: certain kind of fights will look bad.

875
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna give you one of those in between

876
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: yes and no answers. But the fuel of my answer, Luke,

877
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: and which has been part of my criticism on his

878
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: reinvention in Ireland there with John Cavanaugh and SPG, is

879
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: he still there, Luke? Is that that's still a thing?

880
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, he's still there. Yeah, Well, here's.

881
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: My issue with that. I get what they tried to

882
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: do to him. You've got a dynamic offensive force, a

883
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: physical special specimen here, somebody who's charismatic, somebody who can

884
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: do a lot of things that all criticize because when

885
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: he's dancing into the cage and gassing himself out ahead

886
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: of a fight in which he gases himself out, you

887
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: sometimes have questions about the focus, the game plan, all

888
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: of that stuff. I didn't like necessarily the let's completely

889
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: change him into a grappler, which seemed part of the strategy,

890
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: and sometimes fuels what you said, which can be five

891
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: round fights where he just looks out of sync. I

892
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 3: think that's been the thing, an identity crisis. I don't

893
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 3: think Johnny Bucker is meant to be a complete fighter,

894
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: a well rounded fighter. I think he's one of those

895
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: firecracker wild cards who you let him go out there

896
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: and you let him be himself. He's gonna get a

897
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: lot of first round finishes. He's also gonna get caught

898
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: and stopped. Sometimes he's gonna be on the verge of

899
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: getting caught and stopped only to deliver the highlight reel finish.

900
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: I understand that committing to that being that, does that

901
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: have a long term shelf life? Not necessarily?

902
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: No?

903
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 3: Does that? You know, are you gonna lose fights where

904
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: you will be explosive in the first round but you'll

905
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: kind of guess out and expose yourself over time. Yeah,

906
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: there is that potential. But Luke, what is his best

907
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: way to win really big fights. Let's never forget that

908
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: when this guy got shot out of the cannon and

909
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: enter the UFC and was just finishing dudes one after

910
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: another and seventy five seconds that he was a Corey Anderson,

911
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: a win away from fighting John Jones for the UFC

912
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: light heavyweight title. That feels so long ago, but you

913
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: know who he was back then when we were talking

914
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 3: ourselves into the idea of like, what the hell would

915
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: it actually look like if this guy got in there

916
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: against John Jones. He was such a wild card because

917
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: of that edge he had that anything can happen at anytime.

918
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: He could pull out any strike out of nowhere. I

919
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: think you need to bottle and harness that to a

920
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 3: certain degree. But I think you also need to let

921
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: that go and be a free spirit, because that's how

922
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: he can be the most dangerous he can be. To

923
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: try to reinvent him, Luke, I just I mean some

924
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 3: guys can do that, some guys are meant for that.

925
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: I just think he's meant to be a dangerous handful

926
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: in the striking game. Potentially you can help round out

927
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: certain areas. But I'm not looking for him to come

928
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: in and shoot and be a threat on the ground.

929
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm looking for him to constantly be a threat. That's

930
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: something jumping, spinning or some wild shit can breakout at

931
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 3: any time.

932
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: All right. So he had a decision when in the

933
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: Contender series. But if you want to talk just UFC fights,

934
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: here are his wins. Khalil Rowntree round one justin Ledette

935
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: round one, Misha Serkinoff round one, Ryan Span round one,

936
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: Ian Kute Lava round one, Paul Craig round one. He

937
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: only has wins in round one in the UFC. That's it.

938
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: To me, it's like if Smith can weather the storm,

939
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: I honestly feel and Smith, by the way, brings it

940
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: a little bit early too. Like, here's a big question

941
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: for me from Smith, Like you saw this in the

942
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: to Share a fight. Remember he went out there and

943
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: just like took it to Glover in the first like

944
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: I think two rounds and you were like, goddamn, Anthony,

945
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: Smith is dealing, but then he couldn't quite keep the pace.

946
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: Glover began to make adjustments, and then the fight shifted

947
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: all the way the other way around, you know. So

948
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: I wonder if Smith is going to try and fight

949
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: fire with fire against Walker early. That seems inadvisable. But

950
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: you know, you can get pulled into fights like that.

951
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: So to me, it's like, if Smith can just slow

952
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: the fight down, let this guy make mistakes, don't get

953
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: caught up anything too ridiculous. The win is there for

954
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: the taking, it seems like, no.

955
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: I think it's there in the second half. As you're saying,

956
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: I mean, let's go. This is a five round main event.

957
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 3: This is a okay Johnny.

958
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: Walker's no, no, no, this is comane.

959
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: This is coman excuse me, let me take that back.

960
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 3: That does change the way I look at this, Luke.

961
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 3: I wonder if this could have been and should have

962
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: been the main event, as I mentioned earlier, but at

963
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 3: three rounds it is a little bit different in terms

964
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: of the idea of let's wait on Johnny Walker. I

965
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: don't know if you can wait too long here, Luke,

966
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: if this fight ends up being competitive, and if Walker

967
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: is showing more mature leaps in some of these areas,

968
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: because yeah, your point is to whether the early damage

969
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: of Walker and then try to I think, take him

970
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: down right. Don't you want to gas on this guy?

971
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: Don't you want to make him less dangerous? These are

972
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: areas that the veteran Anthony Smith could pull out this victory.

973
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: And when we look at those odds that we I

974
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 3: think we established earlier, Luke, it's basically a pick them

975
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 3: minus one ten on both. This is a perfect style contrast.

976
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a crossroads. There's a lot at

977
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: steak here for either man trying to stay in the

978
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: title picture here in this interesting division, this resetted post

979
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: John Jones light heavyweight era that I think like at

980
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: times we thought it was maybe too barren and there

981
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: was no there, then suddenly got exciting again and you

982
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: maybe can overrate that. I still think it's a division

983
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: for the taking, even though Jamal Hill showed us a

984
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: lot against Glover and they look like they're making that

985
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: Jamal Hill versus Prohotska rematch potentially Luke for August at

986
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: UFC Boston or maybe that's September wherever that that you

987
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 3: that projected UFC card. The rumors are that that fight

988
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: could be there. How far away do you think the

989
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: Smith Walker winner is from that title conversation? Because this

990
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: is a big fight for both guys to stay in there,

991
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: because there is an unpredictability here at light heavyweight, like

992
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: Yan's still lingering, but we've seen him crumble in big spots.

993
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: Glover looks to be now done unless they can call

994
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: him back for another title fight and he just goes

995
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: all in again. There seems to be a line to

996
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: the top here if you can put something together.

997
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: The problem is Smith has the loss to Uncliave uh,

998
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: does Walker have a loss to Unclive. I can't even

999
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: remember if he's fought him before. No, I don't think so.

1000
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: But you know, these guys, I just I suppose if

1001
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: one of them has a like if Walker does something

1002
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: really exciting, maybe even Smith too, there's a chance they

1003
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: could leap frog. But I just feel like there's a

1004
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: bit of a there's just an issue of a log

1005
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 2: jam at two of five, with YEARI coming back and

1006
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 2: Unclia still kind of having status but not really figuring

1007
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: out how they're going to solve that. Blokhovich is still there.

1008
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: There's too many guys in front of them with too

1009
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: much accomplishment for them to leap frog in all likelihood.

1010
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: But one supposes that it could be possible, especially in

1011
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 2: the case of Walker, if he can build three wins

1012
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: in a row by some incredible kind of stoppage.

1013
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: Smith is ranked fifth at the moment, Walker ranked seventh.

1014
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: Racket You're still at four, trying to recover from injuries.

1015
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: If I believe I'm correct correct, I'd like to possibly

1016
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: if we're gonna end up seeing Hill versus Prahatsko, which

1017
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: looks to be the direction, how about number two Uncle

1018
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: Ayah versus Number three Blokhovich to figure out that draw.

1019
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: I know it's not going to be like a priority.

1020
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: Let me pull up my chair. That first fight under

1021
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: delivered in terms of expectations, but we kind of still

1022
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: need a winner out of that matchup to figure out

1023
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: the title picture moving forward, do we not?

1024
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? We do? We do. I agree with that. It's

1025
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: still like I said, this is more like get close

1026
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: to the number one contender, but sure not to become it. BC.

1027
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: You indicated a main card one hundred and seventy pound

1028
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: contest Daniel Rodriguez. D rod is back d you. We're

1029
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: a little bit older, thirty six years of age for

1030
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 2: folks who don't realize that he coming off that loss

1031
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: to Neil Magni, although he had four wins before that,

1032
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: Mike Perry, Preston Parsons, Kevin Lee and then the leech

1033
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: Jeng Lee and then on the other side of the

1034
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: contest Ian Machido Gary who was undefeated out of what

1035
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: do they call him now, kil Cliff FC twenty five

1036
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: years of age BC, and he had his best win

1037
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: in his last fight. I would argue beating Keenan Song

1038
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: stopped him in the third round with punches he's eleven

1039
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: and oh in this contest, BC, how do you see

1040
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: this one? Size it up for me?

1041
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 3: I love the timing of this matchup. Gary is starting

1042
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: to build that fanfare and hype again. He did the

1043
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: McGregor Vince McMann Billy Strutt after the last win, got

1044
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 3: a shout out from Connor. This seems like the escalation,

1045
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: the right matchup because what d Rod brings at this

1046
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: age is such a tough out look. It's like, you

1047
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: know that that Leech win was kind of disputed, and

1048
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: then I thought he was gonna come in and beat

1049
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: Magne and then he got subs. So it's like de

1050
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: Rod at this point has been a little bit like

1051
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: can't get out of the gear. We thought maybe there

1052
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: was a late mid to late thirties run for him

1053
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: after coming off of the layoff and the injuries, and

1054
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: he has put together wins heading into that last loss.

1055
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: But he is the perfect elite gatekeeper right now for

1056
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: us to find out if Gary's ready to make a

1057
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: huge leap or whether he needs either a challenging win

1058
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 3: or even a loss here in his growth at eleven

1059
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: and zero. The recent the victory over over Song, as

1060
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: you mentioned, seemed to escalate what he's trying to build here.

1061
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: He's a dangerous striker. He can put things together. He's dynamic.

1062
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 3: There seems to be a plus factor to him, like

1063
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: he can jump through your screen with something you didn't

1064
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 3: see coming. He's gonna have to earn it here in

1065
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 3: the striking game with which de Rod doesn't make it easy.

1066
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: He hits hard, he's hard to pick up on. He's

1067
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: a good counter striker. He also can take your best

1068
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 3: punch and stand in there with you when he isn't

1069
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 3: moving his head and trying to keep you off base.

1070
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: As we look at the odds at the moment there,

1071
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: Luke plus two forty five Daniel Rodriguez, you know, minus

1072
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: two ninety five Ian Gary. Here's the deal. I'd favor Gary,

1073
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 3: but minus two ninety five does seem a little bit

1074
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: big for how for how tough Daniel Rodriguez can be.

1075
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, First of all, this is an open stance fight,

1076
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: right Southpaul versus Orthodox, So you're gonna get like in

1077
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: this particular case, Gary is Orthodox, Like how many Southpaws

1078
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: does he accustomed to fighting? Right? It's I mean people

1079
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: all say, like, oh, South Paul has an advantage, but mechanically,

1080
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: there is no advantage. There's a slight You could argue

1081
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: that because the liver of the UH southpall opponent is closer,

1082
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: it actually makes it hard. It makes makes it worse

1083
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: for the southwall opponent. But the reason why Pauls tend

1084
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: to get so much the better of Orthodox fighters is

1085
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 2: only because if you're a southpaw fighter, there aren't other

1086
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: many southpaw fighters to fight. You're mostly fighting Orthodox, whereas

1087
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: if you're an Orthodox fighter, you're mostly just fighting other Orthodox.

1088
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: So what skills does Gary have in particular to take

1089
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: advantage of to your point, a very slick south paw

1090
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: and Daniel Rodriguez a guy who's got good boxing.

1091
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: There's times that he'll just bite down and put the

1092
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 3: chin out there and give it. But when he wants to,

1093
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 3: he's not easy to track down and pick up on.

1094
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 3: He lures you into the web blue and takes advantage.

1095
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: Also, listen to these stats, this is somewhat unusual between them.

1096
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: So strikes landed permitted for d Rods seven point four

1097
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: to two, very high, very high for Ian Gary six

1098
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: point seventy nine also really high, right, So it's very

1099
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: high numbers striking accuracy, Gary a little bit better fifty

1100
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: six to d Rod's fifty strike's absorbed five point two

1101
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: to two for d Rod four point one to nine. Now,

1102
00:52:55,160 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: obviously d Rod's is higher. Pardon me, I apologize, bless you. Yeah,

1103
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 2: it's all right. D Rods is a little bit higher.

1104
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 2: But he's also fought much better competition, I would argue,

1105
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: So I think you know, he had to have be

1106
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: somewhat understanding of that. And then striking defense fifty six

1107
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: percent for d Rod fifty two. In other words, their

1108
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: stats are more or less pretty close. Take downs per

1109
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes for d Rod point six to three for

1110
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: Ian Gary point three. It goes on and on. How

1111
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 2: about this takedown accuracy, they're both fifty percent takedown defense,

1112
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: they're both sixty three percent. So they're statistically very similar

1113
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: kinds of fighters. Again, in actual watching the tape, you

1114
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: can see the difference. Is What I mean to say is,

1115
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: let's see who can pull the other one out of

1116
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: their game. And I'm just pointing out a South Baul

1117
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: having to go up against an orthodox fighter who isn't

1118
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: necessarily got a real keen sense of how to deal

1119
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: with that could be a problem. Could be a problem.

1120
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, this is the right type of test that we

1121
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: kind of need Ian Gary to pass. I even think

1122
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: it's a quick I'm surprised by two things. I think

1123
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 3: it's a quick escalation in the matchmaking between a guy

1124
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: like Keenan Song and now Daniel Rodriguez. I don't even

1125
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 3: think you hold that that Austin MAGNI hugely against him.

1126
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,479
Speaker 3: He's gonna be who he is. He's a tough ass out.

1127
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 3: But again to see him at plus two forty five, luke, okay,

1128
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: bet yeah, I might, I might, dude, I might, all.

1129
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: Right, I completely agree, I completely agree with with I

1130
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: don't have.

1131
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: A great track record in betting, but I might, you.

1132
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: Know, okay. And then also on this card, we see

1133
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 2: Tim Means as an underdog against Alex Moreno, Alex Morno

1134
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 2: out of Fortest MMA, kind of like in Everyman Fighter

1135
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: in certain ways, very well trained, very good, good student

1136
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: of martial arts, and I think it's becoming the better,

1137
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: the best fighter I've seen him be up to this point.

1138
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: Tim Means kind of on his last legs a little bit,

1139
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: I think, on his career, but has had a pretty

1140
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: good one just the same, and this is.

1141
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: A super sloppy special logo on your next card, next fight,

1142
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: You're about to.

1143
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: Talk about Luke, Matt Brown, Courtmaghie.

1144
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, like to put we like it extra sloppy here, dude,

1145
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: this is a bunch of old brawlers getting together. Right.

1146
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, I guess I have a lot of respect.

1147
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: We have a lot of for Court McGee, but I

1148
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 2: have a whole lot of respect for Matt Brown. He's

1149
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: been really just a phenomenal fighter to cover. I can't

1150
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: believe his record at twenty three and nineteen. He's nearly

1151
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: five hundred, but it just feels like the wins are

1152
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: so much more significant than any of the losses personally speaking.

1153
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: But you know, I've got my own biases, I'm sure.

1154
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Man Brown plus one seventy five underdog though that

1155
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: surprises me a little. Luke, there's some there's some old

1156
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: guy plus money potential there, right.

1157
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is he had the two losses to

1158
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: Miguel Biesa and Carlos Kondit in twenty twenty and twenty

1159
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: twenty one, but then the win over Diego Lima in

1160
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. At the end there was like amazing

1161
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: right slashing, right cross and then he just looked a

1162
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: little bit. He looked, he looks. Listen, Court, excuse me,

1163
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: I should say Matt Brown is forty two. He looked

1164
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: forty two his last fight against Brian Barberae and Brian

1165
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: barbrain also massively improved. So I think there's a little

1166
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 2: bit of trepidation because Court McGee had looked old for

1167
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: a while and then obviously he lost to Jeremiah Wells

1168
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: in his last fight, but I think he has had a

1169
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: couple of OK performances before that. So how old is McGee?

1170
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: Cort mcgeek currently stands thirty eight years of age. Yeah,

1171
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: eight thirty eight verses forty two, So it's not the

1172
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: youngest fight eighty years old between the two of them,

1173
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:10,959
Speaker 2: but it's a fun one just the same.

1174
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Luke, we also have some sound here from Anthony

1175
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: Smith and our friend Shaquille Missouri of CBS Sports. Did

1176
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 3: you see that, Luke?

1177
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 2: We did, although Mikey kind of talked me out of

1178
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: playing it. We can play one of them. We can

1179
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 2: play the Anthony Smith to shack on Johnny Walker. If

1180
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: Mikey wants to play that one. We can react to

1181
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: it very quickly. The bomb pump.

1182
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, shaven a haircut.

1183
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: I'd play the BC one. Okay, I guess he wants

1184
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: to play the BC one. There we are, play that one. Please.

1185
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 2: What do you love most about Morning Combat co host

1186
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: Brian Campbell? I love most.

1187
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 5: I love that as much trash as he does tend

1188
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 5: to talk, he has no problem fasten up to it

1189
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 5: in person. Well, we were at an awards show one time,

1190
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 5: and I always knew it was very Joe Lee, but

1191
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 5: it was also like he was. He was definitely trash talking,

1192
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 5: and he came up to me to make sure that like, hey,

1193
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 5: I don't want you to think that I'm saying this

1194
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 5: stuff behind a camera and that I won't I won't

1195
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 5: talk to you about it in person. And it honestly,

1196
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 5: I like Brian Campbell that I now it's just a

1197
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 5: big fun poke at him. But he had no problem, Like,

1198
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 5: he had no idea whether I was gonna punch him

1199
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 5: in the face or not. He had no problem coming

1200
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 5: up to me and being a man about it.

1201
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, I didn't expect that. Wow if they don't

1202
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: normally put man in BC in the same sentence.

1203
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, good job, good job with that. B c.

1204
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 3: We love that guy, friend of the program. Come on, Luke,

1205
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: we love that guy.

1206
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: We do, we do love that guy. See, let's move

1207
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: this conversation. By the way, Carlos Olberg taking on Ehor Potierria.

1208
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: I believe that's going to open the main card at

1209
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: two oh five. Carlos Olberg a substantial favorite at minus

1210
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: four to ten if you can believe that, good lord.

1211
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: But okay, you see, let's talk about point number three here,

1212
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: the state of the UFC product. So I actually tweeted

1213
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: it out. I got a lot of responses. I was

1214
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: pretty interesting. And the question for the audience and for you,

1215
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: and I want to set it up a little bit

1216
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: if I can, is what is your current grade for

1217
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: the state of the UFC's product. Basically, as a consumer,

1218
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: how do you feel about it? Do you feel like

1219
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: you're getting the fights you want to see? Do you

1220
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: feel like it's the right amount of events? Do you

1221
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: feel like the cards are delivering, you know, fight to fight,

1222
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: week to week, that kind of a thing. Everyone's gonna

1223
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: have different answers. But here's why I bring it up, BC,

1224
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: because I just don't know if they're having they're having

1225
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: it seems to me trouble filling out the rosters of

1226
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: these cards. So for example, you mentioned dern Hill was

1227
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: on this card, they had to move it to its

1228
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: own main event for one of the Apex cards. Don't

1229
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: forget that song Simon Ricky Simon got moved to the

1230
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: main event. In a similar kind of capacity, ky Car

1231
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: France and Albasi got moved and then ended up making

1232
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: a main event for I think an Apex card. San

1233
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: Haagen Vera got moved. I believe as well, like you

1234
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: can go that same'm talking about culimane events. They're having

1235
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: to shuffle stuff by taking it off of certain bigger

1236
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: cards and in certain cases putting it on smaller cards.

1237
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: And that's not totally true, but it's true in a

1238
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: lot of different cases. Then on top of it, you

1239
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: hear complaints about not just the Apex itself or the

1240
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: quality of the Apex cards, but the prices around the

1241
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: premium events. Because they are premium events, you can tell

1242
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: that they're pretty good, but the costs have been astronomical.

1243
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: BC give me a consumers take if you can, on

1244
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: the state of the UFC's product.

1245
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: I'm a little nervous this calendar year, to be very

1246
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 3: honest with you. And it's not just that we came

1247
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: into the calendar year with very negative headlines, and to

1248
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,479
Speaker 3: remind people, just five months ago we did you had

1249
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 3: the continuation of the fighter pay syndrome tied into as well,

1250
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: you know, what will Francis and Gano do? What will

1251
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: the UFC do? Heading into that big negotiation that obviously

1252
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: the water's got I think spit in and muddied and

1253
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: pissed on more when UFC was so aggressive and still

1254
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: all in promoting power slap, which you know, in our

1255
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 3: opinion is sort of a pun intended slap in the

1256
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 3: face to not only the integrity of elite martial arts

1257
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 3: by rolling out a sport such as that, but by

1258
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: using the vehicle of the UFC's promotional machine to do that,

1259
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, without shame, unabashedly aggressively. You tie in Dana

1260
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: White's domestic issue with the lack of response from the

1261
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 3: parent company, and now you slide in a few months

1262
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: later to really surprising news a few weeks back with

1263
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 3: the parent company endeavor buying the WWE And what's that

1264
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: going to mean moving forward? And I think along the way,

1265
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: what we've had this year and It's not as if

1266
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 3: we hadn't In different major UFC years going back a decade,

1267
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: we've had periods of slower matchmaking where we talk about

1268
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 3: the water down aspect of the sport. Anytime there's a

1269
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: new TV deal and there's more dates to fill, you

1270
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 3: can pick up that narrative. In twenty seventeen, Luke, it

1271
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 3: was is the UFC's pay per view stars done after

1272
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 3: McGregor and Rowsey exited and suddenly it felt like we

1273
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 3: needed a hero. But things happen in waves, you know,

1274
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 3: like the housing market, Luke. But I think this first

1275
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 3: five six months here, this calendar year as a whole,

1276
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 3: whether you believe any of those negative topics really matter

1277
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, if you're a fan

1278
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 3: that just says, I don't care what these guys are

1279
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: being paid, I don't care how many power slap videos

1280
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 3: there are. I don't care about rumble, I don't care

1281
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 3: about any of that bullshit Saturday nights. I want my

1282
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 3: fights and I'm willing to pay for them. I think,

1283
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, Luke, that's also becoming

1284
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,959
Speaker 3: a distressing trend. We are seeing the water down era

1285
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: at the moment across the board of the cards, not

1286
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: just oh, we're putting a McGregor on this pay per view,

1287
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: which has been the trend. Right if you have a

1288
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 3: super expensive person in the main event of a pay

1289
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: per view, we kind of know you're gonna get a

1290
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: weak card down the line. Unfortunately, I think that's becoming

1291
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: a trend across the board. And if you do connect

1292
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 3: the dots on a deeper level, if you are into

1293
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 3: the business side of this, for how much these these

1294
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 3: these heroes I called john S Nash Luke a hero,

1295
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: guys who behind the scenes are just trucking to give

1296
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 3: us truth in how these some of these decisions are made,

1297
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 3: how negotiations go, how the contracts work. And my guy

1298
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 3: at MMA I on YouTube just put out a tremendous

1299
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 3: video in the last twenty four hours about he believes

1300
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: the six days that changed MMA when and Ghanu was negotiating,

1301
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 3: you know, to come back and fight Jones and it

1302
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: all fell apart and all the all the fallout from there.

1303
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 3: I do think right now it's all connected. And I

1304
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 3: think what we're seeing across the board is a lean

1305
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 3: into a more water down product that goes beyond the

1306
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 3: oh hey, we're in the ESPN era, which means there

1307
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 3: isn't as much onus on the UFC to hammer out

1308
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 3: and fill up these pay per view cards with camp

1309
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 3: misfights from top to bottom. We already know that and

1310
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: accept that UFC is looking to fulfill it's yearly amount

1311
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 3: of dates for ESPN come hell or high water, even

1312
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 3: if the if covid gets in the way. We've seen that, right,

1313
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: because that's the chunk of the money coming in. My

1314
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 3: larger issues as just to consume, but also a educated

1315
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 3: journalist slash consumer slash fan, is where is it all heading?

1316
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 3: Are we getting weaker cards? Because Endeavor also just bought

1317
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 3: WWE and now there's gonna be a lot of money

1318
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 3: to pay off. And it just feels in general like

1319
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 3: UFC is in a season of trying to maximize profits,

1320
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 3: which is business, that's what big businesses do, but doing

1321
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 3: it luke one in almost a shameless manner, but two

1322
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 3: at every single turn, and I think it goes deeper

1323
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 3: than couldn't of those sponsorship moneies have gone to the

1324
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: fighters instead of the promotion goes way deeper than that.

1325
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 3: I think across the board you're seeing a water down

1326
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 3: to the product that is scaring me as a hardcore

1327
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 3: boxing fan who sees on the regular how that disrupted

1328
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 3: unorganized sport with so many cooks in the kitchen, and know,

1329
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 3: you know, you know what I mean. What is the

1330
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 3: UFC's true shining value in opposition to the boxing model.

1331
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: The fact that they are organized, the fact that they

1332
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 3: have certain leverage over fighters, whether we believe that leverage

1333
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 3: is fair or not, and they make the fights we

1334
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: want to see on the regular. Are you still getting

1335
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 3: that from a main event level? Yes? I mean, dude,

1336
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 3: what can we say about Volkanovski versus Yayia Rodriguez. It's

1337
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 3: like this dream unification can't misfight. We're still getting those,

1338
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 3: but week to week, the quality of the fight night

1339
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 3: cards are going down. The fight night cards continue to

1340
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 3: be in the apex for reasons that only seem to

1341
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: line up with saving money. They're jacking up ticket prices

1342
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 3: and trying to put people in their home markets to

1343
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 3: try to drive up every possible dollar and interest in

1344
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 3: those areas. Maybe that means nothing to you, but I'm

1345
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 3: getting a little nervous at the trend across the board,

1346
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: mixed in with how I'm starting to see some of

1347
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: these experts online teach us about how this business really works.

1348
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: The development of the Dana White Contender Series and what

1349
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: that has done to watering down contracts at the even

1350
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 3: you know, at the barebones basic level, bringing people in

1351
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 3: at such a low value to begin with. Now we're

1352
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 3: just seeing fight cards. We a week filled with low

1353
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: value Dana White Contender Series alumnis who are gonna come

1354
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 3: in hungry as hell to make nothing, to fight like hell,

1355
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: to prove themselves so they can hopefully one day join

1356
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 3: that one percent. And I think it's contributing whether the

1357
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 3: endeavor WW pickup actually matters in that equation or not.

1358
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: It's contributing to something. I don't like to see the

1359
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 3: sport going a little bit in the wrong direction and

1360
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 3: the promotion from the standpoint of consistent value. But I

1361
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 3: think more importantly, and I do think it's tight end, Luke,

1362
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 3: we're seeing how the sausage is made on the inside

1363
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 3: because the UFC is getting to a level where that's

1364
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 3: starting to become unavoidable. They went from Fox now to ESPN.

1365
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 3: They are a you know, publicly traded billion dollar company.

1366
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 3: Like there are certain things now that we're starting to

1367
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 3: see how contracts are put together, how the negotiation works. Luke,

1368
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 3: I always shout out Mmai, not because I'm in debt

1369
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 3: to him or I, you know, hope to make out

1370
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 3: with him one day. I don't even know what the

1371
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 3: guy looks like, all right, so at least let me

1372
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 3: find that out first before I decide on that. But

1373
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 3: I'll say, guys like him. In Nash Mmai's recent video,

1374
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: they're showing us something. Here's a quote from that video.

1375
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 3: It's just a quote that's unconnected to anything in the moment,

1376
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 3: but to me, it speaks on a large value. He's

1377
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 3: talking about the way UFC is treated than GANU. But

1378
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 3: here's the quote. This reeks of spite rather than business logic.

1379
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: I think I'm seeing a combination of too much like

1380
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 3: cutthroat spite business tendencies mixed with the watering down of

1381
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: the product. Like if this is just business and that's

1382
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: the way it is, then that's what it is. Fighters

1383
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: do need to smarten up. We know that they need

1384
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 3: to join together, which is difficult. But Luke, I also

1385
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 3: see a like the UFC lies seemingly about everything lately,

1386
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: and maybe this is just how they operate. It's cutthroat business.

1387
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 3: It's negotiation. Joe Silva used to do the same thing.

1388
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 3: Now it's Hunter Campbell and Dana. It's the same thing

1389
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 3: as you know, the Lorenzo era and to now. But

1390
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,479
Speaker 3: I think across the board there's this feeling of disingenuousness

1391
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 3: when the UFC speaks publicly that I don't think echoes

1392
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: everyone in the organization, but is becoming this cloud and

1393
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 3: this stigma that's following us out of this Enganu situation,

1394
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: the way fighters are being treated and now playing into

1395
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 3: how these big fights are negotiated or maybe not negotiated.

1396
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 3: That I think in general the turn of the new

1397
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 3: year into the first six months of this twenty twenty three,

1398
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 3: I got a lot of questions and concerns moving forward,

1399
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 3: and you know, like, look, nobody wants to hear any

1400
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 3: more about Dana slapped his wife and Endeavor didn't talk

1401
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 3: about it. But to me, all of this stuff is connected.

1402
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if I really know right now as

1403
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 3: a consumer who the UFC really is and really trust them.

1404
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 3: Are they still giving me the bank for the buck

1405
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 3: Saturdays most Saturdays? But across the board, I don't like

1406
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 3: this direction, and I think when you climb and UFC

1407
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 3: as a brand has climbed so loud, so high, Dude,

1408
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 3: More is required on that level, more transparency, more of

1409
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 3: a lot of things. And I think they're still trying

1410
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,959
Speaker 3: to operate in the old school mom and pop, let's

1411
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 3: hang out in the desert and do what we want way.

1412
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 3: That is starting to expose itself across the board as

1413
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 3: being a little bit gross. And again, if that doesn't

1414
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 3: affect the product, then it doesn't matter. Here's my point.

1415
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 3: It's starting to affect the product that I see.

1416
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: Help me. I agree with most of it, but let

1417
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: me just play devil's advocate, because you'rebviously very passionate about

1418
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: the issue. So if I said, okay, here's what I

1419
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 2: don't understand. They're setting records from a live gate standpoint,

1420
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: which I realized part of that is just because they're

1421
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 2: selling it at higher price. But nevertheless, they are meeting

1422
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: these incredible thresholds. They have the vast majority of the

1423
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 2: world's talent, like they lost Francis and Gandhu, but in

1424
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: general they've got somewhere around eighty percent of it. That

1425
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: that's been true for some time. Their market position has

1426
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 2: only grown. How can those things be true, and then

1427
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 2: the product getting worse. What is the mechanism that's making

1428
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 2: the product worse? Walk me through? Actually that part okay.

1429
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 3: On the surface, I think they're watering down the matchmaking.

1430
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 3: I think whether it is a purposely trying to bring

1431
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 3: down the price of the cards. Let's load up these

1432
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 3: cards with as many Dana White Contender series of lums

1433
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 3: that are managed by the same four or five managers

1434
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 3: who are all in cahoots with Dana and all have

1435
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 3: this funnel system. If you watch mmai's videos, and he

1436
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 3: seems to be very fact checked of of we can't

1437
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 3: get to the UFC anymore unless we sign with this

1438
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 3: manager and go through this feed or promotion and get

1439
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 3: to this point that I'm seeing more of a watered

1440
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 3: down And I'm also seeing look where it used to

1441
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 3: be every card sort of had two bangers, especially it

1442
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 3: was a pay per view card. I think we're seeing

1443
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 3: more consistently one banger or one and a half. And again,

1444
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: is that speaking to trying to bring down the price

1445
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 3: in every possible metric while raising the price and every

1446
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 3: other to try to, you know, constantly keep the financial

1447
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 3: flow coming in, maybe again to help out what's going

1448
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 3: on in thew sale or maybe not? But first and foremost, Luke,

1449
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: I'm seeing weaker cards across the board. That is troubling me.

1450
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm looking at these responses, My god,

1451
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 2: man like people are? People are upset? Can I just

1452
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: read a few of these tweets to say? This is sure?

1453
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: So here's what I asked to put my cards on

1454
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 2: the table. This is exactly what I wrote. Quote, how

1455
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 2: satisfied are you with the current UFC product? Are you

1456
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: getting the fights you wanted the right amount of events?

1457
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 2: Yes or no? We'll discuss on the state that. We'll

1458
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 2: discuss on buscuits Today's Morning Combat. Here are some of

1459
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: the responses. If I was still paying for pay per

1460
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: views this person rights, I'd be pissed. In twenty twenty

1461
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 2: and twenty one, I bought every single one, then they

1462
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: jacked up the price and I was done nothing. I

1463
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: hate more than feeling taking an advantage of next more

1464
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 2: than enough events. Lately, I find myself caring less and

1465
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: less about random fight night cards next one. I think

1466
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,799
Speaker 2: the product is at a historic low in terms of quality.

1467
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: Here's another. I used to have a group of friends

1468
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 2: who wouldn't miss a UFC for anything. Same group of

1469
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 2: friends now has less than casual interest in the UFC

1470
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 2: cards used to be stacked. They used to build and

1471
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: market stars better oversaturation has hurt them. In this person's opinion,

1472
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 2: I skip events. This person rights. Let me just read

1473
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 2: a couple more than I want to react.

1474
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 3: This person, they're not motivated to make stars, you know that, right,

1475
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 3: They're not motivated anymore to have stars, right.

1476
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: I get it. I'se honestly getting pretty bored. This person

1477
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: writes fast forwarding a lot of fights and skipping events.

1478
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 2: I've not felt this way since I started watching in

1479
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: twenty ten. And then lastly, this one really caught my attention.

1480
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: It just feels like they are on autopilot. I think

1481
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: that to me is the one, yes that really gets it.

1482
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 2: It's not like the product is bad, but it doesn't

1483
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 2: feel like sakes you up. Okay, go ahead, let.

1484
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 3: Me set you up. Because if you're a hardcore fan

1485
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 3: and you're and there are a lot of these, right,

1486
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 3: that's why people are coming so aggressively at Francis, whether

1487
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: they have the facts or truth or not, It's sort

1488
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 3: of like you're the one that fucked up. You left

1489
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 3: us people are always going to be so happy with

1490
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 3: the brand that they're going to defend everything. But Luke,

1491
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 3: not only are we seeing water down fights across the board,

1492
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 3: it's the trend that's disturbing, especially when you come from boxing.

1493
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 3: It's this is the beginning of how you get there

1494
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 3: where it's only about money. And you could say, if

1495
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 3: you're one of those hardcore fans of like, oh, you're

1496
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 3: just spoiled, you've had it too great with the UFC

1497
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 3: for too long. Well, yes, because that's what's made the

1498
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 3: UFC great for too long. They're the opposite of the

1499
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 3: disjointed boxing model. They can make a fight they want.

1500
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 3: They are bringing in money left and right in so

1501
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 3: many categories and metrics. They are allowed to expand and

1502
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 3: put up pis in Mexico and China and try to

1503
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 3: find the next great superstars and go to Africa one day.

1504
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 3: They're doing all these big things. When the week to

1505
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 3: week starts to suffer, Luke, it goes beyond. I don't

1506
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: really care about this petty and Gano thing, even though

1507
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 3: when I peel it back, it seems to be so

1508
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: disingenuous and a constant straight lie. So let me spin

1509
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 3: that back on you, Luke, and and set you up

1510
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 3: like is this fueled by my emotion of my dislike

1511
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: about how fighters are treated? And also the more we

1512
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: fact check Dana, the more we find out right now

1513
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 3: that it just feels like he is checked out. He's

1514
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 3: all into power slap, he's all into presenting narratives about

1515
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 3: fight negotiations that are untrue or is this all actually true?

1516
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 3: And that's enough reason to kind of put your hand

1517
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 3: up and be like, I know where UFC was and

1518
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 3: it was awesome. We're going away from that every day,

1519
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 3: every single day, we're going away from that. In some degree.

1520
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: I have, I won't say mixed feelings about this, but

1521
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: I have. What I would say is I largely agree

1522
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 2: with everyone's sentiment, but with one maybe slight caveat that

1523
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 2: I do think is important to pay attention to. And

1524
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: I want to start actually with the caveat, Namely, this

1525
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 2: is the second time during my fan slash media life

1526
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 2: of MMA where I have seen a ton of complaints

1527
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 2: around oversaturation. And it happened around twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen previously,

1528
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 2: and there were great concerns about the way the product

1529
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: was going because the fight night cards were getting worse

1530
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 2: and worse. And for example, for example, I remember when

1531
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 2: UFC was making a big push, they had seven shows

1532
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 2: I think in twenty fourteen in Brazil. In one of

1533
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,919
Speaker 2: those places, it was in a place called uber Langia.

1534
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: That's a real spot that they went through. You're like,

1535
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 2: why the fuck are they going there? And it just

1536
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 2: didn't make a lot of sense. But then what I

1537
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 2: noticed happened because we were like ratings were declining in

1538
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 2: certain ways. Anyway, the pay per view numbers said would

1539
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: have come back to earth. They had a lot of injuries.

1540
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 2: At the time, you were like, man, they're just trying

1541
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: to serve too many masters. But then by twenty fifteen,

1542
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, we had the Connor Ronda era and it

1543
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: just boomed it back again. I bring this all up

1544
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 2: to say, I have seen what happens when the UFC

1545
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: hits this spot. The last time I saw them do it,

1546
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: they had this massive reinvention by virtue of these other

1547
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 2: stars that kind of you can argue bailed them out,

1548
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: happened to find their way. UFC did a great job

1549
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: promoting them, whatever you want to say, but certainly Connor

1550
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: and Ronda really begin to take off in a dramatic way,

1551
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 2: right in a way to challenge all of that oversaturation.

1552
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 2: New fans came in and it just felt like all

1553
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: of those problems went away. Here we are again. Is

1554
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 2: something like that really possible? To your point, BC, I

1555
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: have some concerns because because of the way that the

1556
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: business works, and they have taken out the star power volatility,

1557
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: most notably in contractual revenue and certainly in the way

1558
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: which they've done and structure of their pay per views,

1559
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 2: such that they don't need that kind of star to

1560
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 2: boost their fortunes in order to make the kind of

1561
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: money that they want to make in a very guaranteed

1562
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: kind of way. But I do recognize everyone else's complaints.

1563
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 2: I recognize that if you try to be loyal to

1564
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 2: the UFC product week to week to week, it can

1565
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 2: be a lot of stuff that's just not very high quality,

1566
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that's just not very interesting, a

1567
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,799
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that is indistinguishable from an LFA product,

1568
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that just doesn't look all that

1569
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 2: great to me. I think the common denominator here is

1570
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: one they've changed their behind the scenes business practices, as

1571
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 2: I mentioned, to go to more contractual revenue. But more

1572
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: than that, they are just I watched UFC have to

1573
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 2: compete to kill off the IFL, I watch them have

1574
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 2: to compete to kill off Elite XC and affliction. I

1575
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: watch them co promote. I watched them get out there

1576
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 2: and just make.

1577
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 3: Were going to buy them right.

1578
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 2: But like I watched them compete on a certain level

1579
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 2: to win those battles, and they did. They're just not

1580
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 2: competing to me anymore more. Sure, the business is so

1581
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 2: large and so entrench and the methods of revenue generation

1582
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: are so fixed that there's just nothing that can really

1583
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: challenge the market but for the ALI act or a

1584
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 2: unionization or whatever. Like, what else can another player do

1585
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 2: to change the equation of Remember, of all money made

1586
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 2: in the entire MMA industry, UFC makes ninety percent of it.

1587
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 2: What is another What can another promoter do to meaningfully

1588
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 2: alter that equation? What can a fighters do to meaningfully

1589
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: alter that equation short of intervention from the law. The

1590
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: answer is probably nothing. That's the sort of alarming part.

1591
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 3: Here's an issue that I don't think people talk about

1592
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 3: because not everybody cares about this side of it. And

1593
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 3: I know if I make any WW comparison, people are

1594
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 3: going to tune me off, but I think it matters here, Luke.

1595
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 3: UFC a key to their success in a lot of

1596
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 3: ways has always been keeping the brand strong. You can

1597
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 3: always argue that Dana why is the face of UFC

1598
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 3: and the last twenty years of history more at a

1599
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 3: higher level than Rousey McGregor, Lesnar Silva, Saint Pierre have

1600
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 3: ever been right, and some of that seems strategic, always

1601
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 3: keeping sort of the fighters at a certain level of

1602
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 3: you know, control that we have above them. Also the

1603
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: UFC brand and even Dana with his look in the

1604
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 3: bald head, it's kind of timeless.

1605
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 4: You know.

1606
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 3: You're always like, oh, the brand's always going to be there.

1607
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 3: It's always going to be high level fights, and Dana's

1608
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 3: always going to be at the front of it. But

1609
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: to your point about the motivation they may have, we

1610
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 3: all got behind hungry Dana because he was fighting to

1611
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 3: take this sport that we all love and make it

1612
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 3: as mainstreaming legitimate as possible. And even if you didn't

1613
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 3: fully agree with his fight, it was easy to get

1614
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 3: behind him when we know, I mean, look, you've met

1615
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 3: him before on probably pretty decent terms over there in

1616
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 3: your career. He used to be great to meet back

1617
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 3: then take pictures with you, to talk to you off

1618
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 3: the record, offline and all that. But now he's still

1619
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 3: the face of it ahead of everyone else. But he's

1620
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 3: out and he's a different person. His motivations are different.

1621
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 3: And now to this larger point I'm making, when you

1622
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 3: actually dig into the things they say publicly and the

1623
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 3: proof in facts we have, Unfortunately, dude, I hate to

1624
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,879
Speaker 3: say this, they're lying most of the time at almost

1625
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 3: every turn, it seems so they feel very disingenuous. So

1626
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 3: why do I set that up? Because at the end

1627
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 3: of the day, whether you're watching pro wrestling or you're

1628
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 3: watching real fighting. To me, there's two things that sell

1629
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 3: the fight game and always have. One is stars and

1630
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 3: two is storylines. Why is everybody praising BKFC for the

1631
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 3: recent success, even Connor in the cage. What do they

1632
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 3: bring up right away? Matchmaking and storylines? They get you

1633
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 3: in the building to care about the stupid bare knuckle

1634
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 3: matchup between washed UFC names that aren't even the same division,

1635
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 3: right like they won they captured that in golf, Luke,

1636
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 3: If you don't have that star that is Tiger Woods,

1637
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 3: what percentage of the audience do they lose. It's like dramatic,

1638
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 3: right stars, I mean right now in this era, UFC

1639
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 3: does not have the financial motivation to have stars, to

1640
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 3: make crossover stars. What did they used to do ten

1641
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 3: years ago. I'll tell you because I was working at

1642
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 3: ESPN at the time and I was the only combat

1643
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 3: sports person based in Bristol. If they got a surprise

1644
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 3: new champion, like when Chris Widman beat Silva, they ran

1645
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 3: him into ESPN Luke like three times in like a

1646
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 3: six month span to try to get him on every

1647
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 3: show and do every interview and get They were in

1648
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 3: the business of building up fighters, you would get behind fighters.

1649
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 3: Now they not only are not in the business of

1650
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 3: building up fighters, and a lot of times they're in

1651
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 3: the business of publicly negotiating against your favorite fighters and

1652
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 3: telling you why your favorite fighter isn't as talented or valuable.

1653
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 3: So that's one thing. The other thing is the storylines. Luke.

1654
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 3: I stumbled back into pro wrestling in twenty fifteen in

1655
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 3: a way I never imagined I would. I hadn't been

1656
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 3: serious about it since like the late nineties, early two

1657
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 3: thousands like everybody else, but I went to a live show.

1658
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 3: I was overwhelmed at the increase in athleticism and in

1659
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 3: storylines compared to what I was used to, and I

1660
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: was like, man, this doesn't suck anymore. In fact, it's

1661
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 3: pretty good. Somehow that led me stumbling into being a

1662
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 3: super fan and actually journalist again for a few years,

1663
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 3: and I had a lot of fun. But what ran

1664
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 3: me out of that the elite promotion similar to the

1665
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 3: UFC that held you know, a ninety percent you know,

1666
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 3: control of the whole industry was WWE, and they hit

1667
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 3: a point in like twenty eighteen ish where the writing

1668
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 3: just got really bad again. Storylines didn't matter. There were

1669
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 3: incomplete storylines from one hour to the next or one

1670
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 3: show to the next. And look what that does to

1671
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 3: you is after a while you're saying, if they don't

1672
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 3: care about connecting the dots and creating this larger story

1673
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 3: that makes sense and has a payoff, why do I

1674
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 3: care on that same level? Am I wrong? Look? Or

1675
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 3: is there an issue right now with storytelling in the UFC?

1676
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 3: How do you feel storytelling one through promotion, two making

1677
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 3: the fights people care about, but three committing to telling

1678
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 3: that story. I don't think there's a great commitment right

1679
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 3: now to UFC promotional storytelling, and on top of that,

1680
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 3: I think there's an actual purposeful if arming on. We

1681
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 3: don't want these guys to be superstars because I'm gonna

1682
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 3: pay them more, and in fact, we're gonna stomp on

1683
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 3: them publicly at every turn to show them who's boss.

1684
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 3: So what do you have right now? You have a

1685
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 3: heavyweight division with a disjointed storyline because the best heavyweight

1686
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 3: to sit in IDOL trying to get a big payday

1687
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 3: elsewhere and not fighting John Jones, which he could have

1688
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 3: for the last three years when seemingly everybody was willing

1689
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:26,440
Speaker 3: and able except for the UFC to sign off financially.

1690
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 3: So you can pick sides on the Angano thing all

1691
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,759
Speaker 3: you want, but before you do, watch the MMAI have video.

1692
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 3: Watch these things again, go back and actually investigate. Look,

1693
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 3: they're almost you know, turning against their stars to again

1694
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 3: at every turn try to save a buck or try

1695
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 3: to advance things corporately or business wise in the future

1696
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 3: for them. And what has been sacrificed the commitment to

1697
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 3: matchmaking week to week, but even bigger the commitment to storytelling, which,

1698
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 3: when done wright produces what stars and things that go beyond. Look,

1699
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 3: how do you bring in the big pay per view audience.

1700
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 3: You're not bringing in hardcore fans, they're already here. It's

1701
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: getting the casual fans because of what either a great

1702
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: fight they saw and they want to see that guy again,

1703
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 3: or an incredible personality like a McGregor that just came

1704
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 3: in there and they're like, oh shit, man, I'll follow

1705
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:18,959
Speaker 3: that guy anywhere. Look when you're actively when you're actively

1706
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: competing against your own fighters to keep them down, and

1707
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,799
Speaker 3: then you're going around the back and actually lobbying against

1708
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 3: any potential control they have, and you're essentially lying about

1709
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 3: most of them and lying about the status and negotiations

1710
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 3: at every turn, you are pissing in your own cooking pot. Luke,

1711
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 3: Really you are. This stuff matters over time in ways

1712
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 3: that corporate guys sitting at the war room table figuring

1713
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 3: out business futures don't think about. But it matters. That's

1714
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 3: how you keep fans loyal for year after year after

1715
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 3: year to the same brand.

1716
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't have a whole lot to add. I

1717
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 2: think it's all well said. Just one thing I want

1718
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: to remind folks about it. It's an analogy. I you

1719
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 2: you hate it when I say this, but really did

1720
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 2: to change my perspective a little bit. I remember the

1721
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 2: first time I went to Spain. They have these little

1722
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 2: restaurants everywhere. They've got these little spots everywhere you can go,

1723
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: and I remember going into them and being blown away

1724
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 2: at the quality of the food because we kind of

1725
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: associate small with like, you know, taco truck, which is

1726
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 2: which is tasty, but not like gourmet. And I couldn't

1727
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 2: believe it. And so my brother and my sister had

1728
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 2: a restaurant at the time, and I asked them, like,

1729
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 2: how does that model work? And what they actually explained

1730
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 2: was that's the model to get quality, right. The model

1731
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 2: is have a kitchen staff that's not tasked with doing

1732
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 2: a lot other than making high quality stuff for a

1733
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 2: small amount of people every Now, that's the way you

1734
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,799
Speaker 2: get the most. And they were like, that's why banquet

1735
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 2: food is like you know, it tastes fine but never

1736
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 2: really great because it's made at scale. We're at the

1737
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 2: banquet food state. That's really what we've got. Like when

1738
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 2: you say that the uc A charging steakhouse prices, that's right,

1739
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 2: that's exactly right. Like the idea is like, for example,

1740
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 2: like people people complain, but the USC doesn't promote. It's like, well,

1741
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 2: they still do, like they reach out to media for interviews,

1742
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: they have press conferences, they have the Countdown show that

1743
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 2: comes out the week before, and if you actually compare

1744
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: that to what other promotions are doing, in some ways,

1745
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: it's even more. The problem is everything feels like it's

1746
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 2: just on an assembly line at the moment. Like, for example,

1747
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: I remember when the UFC announced the world tour for

1748
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 2: McGregor and Aaldo. It was exciting, it was new, it

1749
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 2: was different, it was another level above and you really

1750
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 2: felt like they were leaning in to do everything they

1751
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: could and they did and it worked. It was it

1752
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 2: all kind of worked in the end. Now Connor is

1753
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 2: a special case, but everyone gets the idea. The point

1754
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make is I just don't get the

1755
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 2: sense any of that is really happening, or they feel

1756
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: like the need for that is happening. It feels like

1757
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 2: all that extra attention that could be going into that

1758
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 2: is going into you know, making sure the Contendi series

1759
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 2: runs in the way that it's supposed to and also

1760
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 2: slap let's get slapped. I'm still getting emails about that

1761
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 2: from the UFC staff which is just fucking mind blowing.

1762
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't really have a good answer

1763
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: for you, because people think, oh, well, consumer revolt will

1764
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 2: change this. It would take obstantial, substantial fan drop off

1765
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 2: for I think that to make even a dent. When

1766
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 2: you when you've got a monopoly like this, they run

1767
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 2: the show. It's either watch MMA or don't. And that's

1768
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 2: a tough choice for a lot of people.

1769
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 3: It's the last time I prefer monsopsony. But look quickly

1770
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 3: back to my question on storyline. I could hear people

1771
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 3: groaning and being like, enough with that fake force bullshit.

1772
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 3: How about this? Do you know what f's up storylines?

1773
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 3: When you drop in an unnecessary interim title when the

1774
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 3: champion is healthy and the next contender is waiting, when

1775
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 3: you, you know, tell lies publicly about fighters wants or or

1776
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 3: not wants to to to win titles. When Colby Covington

1777
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 3: is getting jammed into a title opportunity when nobody believes

1778
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 3: he deserves it, but nobody actually wants that fight. On

1779
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 3: top of it, I just think, look, there's the Their

1780
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 3: eye is off the ball in some key aspects of

1781
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 3: what the fan truly wants in all those decisions, are

1782
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 3: now being trumped for what's the best financial move for

1783
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 3: the parent company long term. I don't think you can

1784
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 3: argue against that. Those decisions are being made on the

1785
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 3: regular across the board. So when Dana White's your face

1786
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 3: to your company and your biggest star, and he's fighting

1787
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 3: for the sport to make the best matchups, you can

1788
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 3: get behind that, even though it's not great for the

1789
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 3: fighters when the promoter is the face of it. But

1790
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 3: when the promoter is the face of it, and you

1791
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 3: can't trust a single word coming out of his mouth

1792
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,719
Speaker 3: talking about his own product or talking about the social

1793
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 3: media numbers of slap that they're larger than every other

1794
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 3: major sport combined. And we've paid a third party independent

1795
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 3: to track this on the dark web. And also I've

1796
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 3: purchased an island. We've bought an island. I mean, look,

1797
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 3: what the hell's going on anymore? Like, there's never been

1798
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 3: a time, arguably where we have questioned more publicly what

1799
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 3: Dane's true value to the company is. And maybe behind

1800
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 3: the scenes we're wrong, and he's way more valuable to

1801
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 3: the engine and how it moves forward aggressively than we

1802
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 3: could ever say. But in terms of a public his

1803
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 3: what his words represents as the brand. I also don't

1804
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 3: think it's been a worse time for the company. And

1805
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 3: how much damage he's constantly doing. Is that overblown, Luke.

1806
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 3: Is that us the media against Dana and some war

1807
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 3: that we won't get around, or is that the truth

1808
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 3: is he is he pissing on his own product left

1809
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 3: and right to a level now that that I don't

1810
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 3: think is best for business anymore.

1811
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 2: I think it's a little more debatable these days than

1812
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 2: it used to be. The the argument around Dana used

1813
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 2: to be different. So the argument about data being a

1814
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: problem used to go as follows. He has such a

1815
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: groff way of being, not just with not just with

1816
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 2: using you know, curse words or sort of like bombbast

1817
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 2: and this angry shouting that he would do. Folks thought

1818
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: that that would be a turnoff to the polite business

1819
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: world in the end, And in the end, thep plied

1820
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 2: business world simply look the other way. They actually did

1821
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 2: not care, at least not much publicly. Maybe privately they care,

1822
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 2: but in a public way. So that argument turned out

1823
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 2: to not be true. It turned out to not be true,

1824
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: and he survived. Now it's a different argument because before

1825
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 2: it was okay, he's got this great passion for the

1826
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 2: sport and for the brand, but does he have the

1827
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: this baggage? And it turned out, as I mentioned, the

1828
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 2: baggage simply never mattered, which was a surprise because it

1829
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 2: would have mattered to anyone else. It just didn't matter

1830
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 2: for him. Now the argument is, well, that baggage doesn't

1831
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 2: seem to matter, although there's a different kind of baggage

1832
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 2: with the whole New Year's Eve thing with his wife.

1833
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: But beyond that, to your point, is he actually even

1834
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 2: invested in the product anymore? Does it even care anymore?

1835
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 2: Does he have the same passion for it that he

1836
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 2: once did. That's a separate kind of question. The idea

1837
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: to me that he's doing damage by pissing on his

1838
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 2: fighters to the public. The public doesn't understand anything about

1839
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 2: fight sports. I think they're very inclined to believe him.

1840
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 2: So when you say doing damage, it's like the question

1841
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 2: is damage or not? The The question is, rather, is

1842
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:06,839
Speaker 2: he entrenching the UFC's position with the broader sporting market

1843
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,839
Speaker 2: when he says things like that or not? I actually

1844
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 2: think that he is, So I don't really answer it

1845
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: the same way you kind of asked it, I don't.

1846
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 2: I just don't think that those kinds of things are baggage.

1847
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 2: The question is does he effectively promote the brand in

1848
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 2: a way that, with the rising tide lifts all boats.

1849
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 2: Certainly in some ways yes, but in a lot of

1850
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 2: other ways it's us or them, and he pulls the

1851
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 2: public onto his side, or should say, the brand side against.

1852
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 3: I mean maybe fighters, maybe we're too deep in the waters.

1853
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 3: Maybe we care about things on such a level of

1854
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 3: fine print that the average fan doesn't because they just

1855
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 3: want their fights at the end of the day. And

1856
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 3: maybe Dana's still that right mascot. I just think Luke

1857
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 3: at this point it. I mean, it used to be

1858
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 3: a joke that you couldn't trust everything that Dana says.

1859
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 3: But there was a wink in that that most fight

1860
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 3: promoters have that used car salesman side of them, that

1861
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 3: they're going to do that some times in the in

1862
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 3: the favor of drumming up business or minimizing obvious issues.

1863
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 3: I just think there's a there's there's a he's driven

1864
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 3: by such spite that if you actually turn over those

1865
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 3: leaves and dig into what's really going on and try

1866
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 3: to form for yourself a true opinion. I just think

1867
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 3: he's doing more damage for the reputation of the brand

1868
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 3: and the sport than ever before in that regard. And

1869
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 3: maybe that doesn't matter to you. Maybe again, fighter pay

1870
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. You're like, look, fighters unionize or

1871
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 3: shut up. I get that. But look, there's just facts

1872
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 3: that are being put out in the regular that just

1873
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 3: seem like straight lies. Does that catch up much?

1874
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 2: Most MMA news is fake news. It's not real news

1875
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 2: at all.

1876
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 3: So so, how much has the uf the UFC ESPN deal,

1877
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 3: which obviously changed the way that they strategized financially to

1878
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 3: the success of pay per views and what that means.

1879
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 3: We already covered that, But how much has that quieted,

1880
01:30:55,720 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 3: in your eyes, potentially ESPN the editorial arm from exposing

1881
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 3: some of these larger business practices and realities Oh that

1882
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,759
Speaker 3: the guys under the shadows like the john S, Nashes

1883
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 3: and the mmais are doing anyway, But like, I don't know,

1884
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 3: it feels like Dana does get a free pass in

1885
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 3: that area from the from the world leader in that regard.

1886
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's just simply no denying. I saw

1887
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 2: I read I heard an interview years ago that Jimmy

1888
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 2: Pittaro did with Bill Simmons talking. Bill Simmons had asked

1889
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 2: basically that question around the NBA and because they were

1890
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 2: rights holders and I think they still are rights holders

1891
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 2: to certain NBA games and playoffs or whatever, and so

1892
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 2: the question was, you know, if you're a rights holder,

1893
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 2: like how much is your journalism arm going to be

1894
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 2: powered to do these kinds of things. I would say that,

1895
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 2: like there's listen, one of the worst things for media

1896
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 2: is the fact that it's corporate controlled. And that's true

1897
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 2: in sports media just the same. It's once you have

1898
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 2: understand every all the corporations work together, right, not like

1899
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 2: in a you know, there's a smoky room, everyone's smoking cigars.

1900
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 2: But remember, like a media company wants to be able

1901
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 2: to get access to you if you promote media, if

1902
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 2: you are if you have journalists or media members, you

1903
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: want them to get access to certain things. You want

1904
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,440
Speaker 2: to be able to sell ads and advertising and packages

1905
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 2: and allow those advertisers in the MMA space or the

1906
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 2: boxing space, they work hand in hand with the promoter.

1907
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 2: So if the promoter doesn't like you, the brand's going

1908
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 2: to go to someone else and then still work with

1909
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 2: that promoter. And then a different media entity. I've seen

1910
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:25,839
Speaker 2: that happen numerous times. Like this idea that like ESPN

1911
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 2: is going to be in a good position to tell

1912
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 2: the truth about the USC's business practices, They're going to

1913
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 2: be in the worst position. They're going to be in

1914
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: the very, very worst. And I know, you know Mark

1915
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 2: Ramundy and like Jeff Wagenheim and like bred they do.

1916
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 2: I think they do the best that think again, I

1917
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 2: think they're good people doing the best that they can

1918
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 2: with the job that they have. But the corporate structures

1919
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 2: they're all great, but the corporate structures in place are

1920
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 2: something not going to allow them to tell the kind

1921
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 2: of stories that MMAI or other folks say. It's just

1922
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: it's just the reality of it. So it's why you

1923
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 2: need to have a very diverse media diet when in

1924
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 2: sports are in other places just.

1925
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 3: The same a right. So look at the end of

1926
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 3: the day, some of that stuff we just talked about

1927
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 3: and complain about to other people are just sort of

1928
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 3: an ad nauseum of stuff they don't care about. People

1929
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 3: do care about the quality of the product. Do you

1930
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 3: see that increasing in the second half of twenty twenty three,

1931
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 3: decreasing staying the same. Does it matter? Are there long

1932
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 3: term effects on the watering down here?

1933
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 2: Long term? Potentially long term? There are some. I mean,

1934
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 2: the problem is this is why ultimately nothing other than

1935
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 2: the force of law will change anything. I don't believe

1936
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 2: is what they've done is they still have the high

1937
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: end side, right. It's like again they lost Francis, but

1938
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 2: in general they still have the high endside. What they've

1939
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 2: done is they've kind of watered that down a little bit,

1940
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 2: but then they've expanded the notion of the product and

1941
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 2: then watered the rest of it down to an extraordinary degree.

1942
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 2: So what I think it's going to do is it's

1943
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 2: just going to force people to be much pickier about

1944
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 2: what they actually watch or don't. But the UFC, I think,

1945
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 2: is happy to do that because if they can still

1946
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 2: get you for the big ones that they care about,

1947
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 2: if they can still get you to sign up for

1948
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 2: the subscription model, Like think about the UFCS what they're

1949
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 2: trying to do in ESPN two. If they can get

1950
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 2: you to sign up for the subscription thing, Yes they

1951
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 2: want you to watch, but they've already got your money

1952
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 2: for the year or the month. They've already got it.

1953
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 2: So they're working in a transaction that inoculates them from

1954
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 2: some of these like did this event sell? Did that

1955
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 2: event get watched? They don't have those same event to

1956
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 2: event concerns, And as a consequence, I mean, I think

1957
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 2: you see the results speak for themselves.

1958
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to close, they if it was financially hard

1959
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 3: times for the sport, financially hard times for the promotion,

1960
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 3: it would be easier to justify and accept some of

1961
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 3: these changes to the quality of the product. But when

1962
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 3: the bottom line is only going up at such a

1963
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 3: rapid rate, then the funding streams coming in are only

1964
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 3: going up and the qualities going down. That's when you

1965
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 3: stop Morning Combat for forty minutes and have this discussion.

1966
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 3: That's just where it is. Luke, Okay, you know either

1967
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 3: that or you don't care, and let's move on.

1968
01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 2: I care, but I think we've done enough of conversation

1969
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 2: around that this time and again. Durn versus Hill will

1970
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 2: headline the May twenty at UFC event in Las Vegas.

1971
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 2: I actually don't mind that, but people seem to mind that.

1972
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, I don't hate the fight, but

1973
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 3: as a as a headliner that.

1974
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,839
Speaker 2: As a headliner, yeah, just it's not a great headliner,

1975
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 2: but I do. I'm happy for Angela Hill. I will

1976
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 2: say that I'm happy for Angela Hill. All right, BC,

1977
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 2: let's react quickly to this. So there was the Paul

1978
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 2: Diaz press conference yesterday in Dallas, and it was something

1979
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what to say about. I mean, listen,

1980
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: here's my read on the whole thing. BC. I'm glad

1981
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 2: Diaz is getting the bag I am. I don't know

1982
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 2: how big that bag is gonna be. But my man

1983
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 2: earned his freedom. He beat Ferguson on the way out

1984
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 2: the door after the UFC tried to Oki dooke the

1985
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 2: whole thing. He's got this thing coming up. He's gonna

1986
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 2: get some good coin for this, no matter what. Two

1987
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 2: thumbs up for me on that. But the presser, it

1988
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 2: just it didn't look great. It looked like they were

1989
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 2: kind of in like a home depot where ware else

1990
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 2: kind of thing.

1991
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 3: It just had the American Hairdlines Center Luke okay.

1992
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 2: All right, which is a fine facility. But I'm just

1993
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,639
Speaker 2: saying the way it was shot, it looked. It looked weird.

1994
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:00,879
Speaker 2: It's not. It don't look terrible.

1995
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 3: To know where the fans were. Nobody seemed to answer

1996
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 3: that Luke Nate wanted to.

1997
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 2: Get why that was the part. But this is the

1998
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 2: part I actually liked. I actually liked that. Uh, there

1999
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 2: weren't fans there. Again, if you're gonna have fans there,

2000
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 2: it's not a press conference, call it, call it a

2001
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 2: pep rally.

2002
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 3: That's what gives the the fans being there and their

2003
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 3: potential reaction to questions which could be This.

2004
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 2: Is why, this is why we deserve bad press is

2005
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 2: for answers like this. This is why we deserve the

2006
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 2: jack offs who we have to answer ask questions around.

2007
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, no one actually wants to do the job.

2008
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 2: That is the job. They want to agree with me

2009
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 2: with it.

2010
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 3: It would have felt bigger and less jack coffee if

2011
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 3: you did have the fans there. You think it would

2012
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 3: be worse. I think it would have been better.

2013
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 2: It's always worse when you Again, it's not that the

2014
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 2: fans make it worse. It's that the fans don't make

2015
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 2: it a press conference. They make it something else where.

2016
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 2: The media then facilitates the interaction between the fighters and

2017
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 2: the fans. This has nothing to do like, here's the

2018
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 2: thing we have drummed out of the industry, like the

2019
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 2: kind of boring dudes who used to do the actual job,

2020
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,759
Speaker 2: or I should say something approximating anyway, the actual job

2021
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 2: of journalism. There was much more of that before, but

2022
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 2: we've made this job very difficult to get. It doesn't

2023
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 2: pay well, we've reduced the reliability of it, and we've

2024
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,720
Speaker 2: drummed out those people, and then we have allowed in

2025
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 2: these other just whatever the fucks these guys looking for

2026
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 2: to do whatever they're trying to do. And they were like, Oh,

2027
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: how these guys get here? You know how these guys

2028
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 2: got here because we don't take any part of this

2029
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 2: in any way seriously, That's how they got here. Like,

2030
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 2: I don't understand how people can say we want to

2031
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 2: have the fans and they call it a pres do

2032
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 2: something else, man, Let them ask the questions at the

2033
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 2: fans that.

2034
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,799
Speaker 3: They're talking about. Is that what you're talking about, Luke.

2035
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's roll the tape here for Mikey, let's

2036
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 2: roll the tape.

2037
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 3: Nay.

2038
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: I'm actually a box of myself and I've been trying

2039
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:51,520
Speaker 1: to get into this undercard.

2040
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,799
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if you think I could fight your brother.

2041
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 3: Nick, if he's anything like you, I think I'd beat

2042
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 3: his fucking ass.

2043
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 2: Not very respectful the way you're just gonna walk around

2044
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 2: on the streets and some ship.

2045
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 3: You know, my home boys see you right now? Yeah,

2046
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 3: that was stupid.

2047
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 2: I'm definitely pretty nervous right now. Yeah that was what's

2048
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 2: your name? I'm Derek from Better Media. Hey, Derek, Better Media.

2049
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 2: Stupid the fun.

2050
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 4: Either of your.

2051
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 3: He works he works for my company. Later, if later,

2052
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that, Nate. Derek shut up. Derek, shut up.

2053
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 2: You know, it would have been funny if if Nate

2054
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 2: was like who are you? He was like Brian Campbell

2055
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 2: from Morning Cup. Uh.

2056
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Derek would have post a video looks subsequently on

2057
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 3: social media apologizing and then doubling down and going after Drake.

2058
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 3: But uh, I mean, dude, that's yeah. I mean, ja,

2059
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 3: that's a Jake plant in that sense. But I get

2060
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 3: even hated it.

2061
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 2: I mean it fell so ja.

2062
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 3: Dude, that that was planned. Jake didn't hate that. Jake

2063
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 3: was into that. I don't know, what did you think

2064
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 3: about the the the boxing blogger who was basically like, hey,

2065
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 3: you know, Nate, what do you feel about facing a

2066
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 3: guy who's obviously not going to the Boxing Hall of

2067
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 3: Fame and Jake, and I mean, did you see Luke?

2068
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 3: Did you see that one?

2069
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 2: Do? I actually missed that question.

2070
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 3: That's actually they were legitimate quote unquote legitimate boxing media.

2071
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 3: I mean, like you know video bloggers who were just

2072
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 3: throwing jabs at at Jake the whole time. I mean,

2073
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't feel like it got me

2074
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 3: jazzed up for the fight or the event at all. Well,

2075
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 3: I still care about this fight certainly come fight night,

2076
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 3: but uh.

2077
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 2: But dude, I just where was it? Let me let

2078
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 2: me ask this question, like who do we blame for?

2079
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 2: I know this guy is media, but like, who do

2080
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 2: we blame for? The fighters on the dais getting insulted

2081
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 2: by questions. And here's what I mean. I saw someone say, like,

2082
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 2: you know, ever since there was Aldo McGregor, when Dublin

2083
01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 2: and Aldo got his belt stolen in the whole crowd

2084
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 2: is against it. And I remember, is he doing fan

2085
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,719
Speaker 2: Q and A's in news ex excuse me Australia ahead

2086
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 2: of the first Robert Whitaker fight and the fans were

2087
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 2: giving it to him. There. This is a media member

2088
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 2: again in the most like you know, barely accounts kind

2089
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 2: of way. But he is a media member like where

2090
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 2: did this come from? Because I gotta say I've been

2091
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 2: to a fair number of boxing pressers in the last

2092
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 2: four years, and then before that ten years. I don't

2093
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 2: recall anyone shit like that to Canela war.

2094
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:31,440
Speaker 3: No boxing pressors. You get the opposite. You get the

2095
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 3: the beverage manager of the MGM coming out to give

2096
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 3: you a five minute speech that no one cares about

2097
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 3: because he's so happy to have the fight at the complex,

2098
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 3: and you do get some riff raft. But to answer

2099
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,719
Speaker 3: your question of how has this become allowed, the UFC

2100
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 3: kind of allowed it to be fair. Do you remember

2101
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,639
Speaker 3: when that, for example, in that reporter at McGregor Alvarez

2102
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 3: press conference, which was already out of control, was that

2103
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 3: the one luke where he came up and was like,

2104
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 3: He's gonna beat your fucking ass. How are you going

2105
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 3: to answer that? You remember that?

2106
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 2: That's yeah, and then he was like, suck my big

2107
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 2: Irish balls that whole thing.

2108
01:40:58,320 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2109
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, so there's you know, and

2110
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 3: even our dude, even our dude with the pink suit,

2111
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 3: you know, our guy Josh Cohen from the Dean Thomas

2112
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 3: radio show down there in Florida. Love that guy, but

2113
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 3: he also has been a big mixer of the pot. Look,

2114
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 3: it's a set up there, speaking particularly of the UFC

2115
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 3: press conferences where they've allowed it to where you can

2116
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 3: come in there and try to announce your your site

2117
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 3: and then you know, give a pit people are, people

2118
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:23,719
Speaker 3: are promoting their their betting website. Chad Johnson was getting

2119
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 3: sent to those. There's never been quality control on there,

2120
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 3: so that spilled into this event. But with that said,

2121
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 3: it almost felt like Nate was actually trying to take

2122
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,640
Speaker 3: it serious and nobody else was, and he was just

2123
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 3: sort of like, what the fuck am I doing here?

2124
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 3: How did I get myself into this?

2125
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 2: You know, I just feel like we have so lost

2126
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 2: our way with a combat sports media. We have completely

2127
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 2: We've kicked out everyone in the business who used to

2128
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:51,759
Speaker 2: give half a fuck, and now we're letting in every

2129
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 2: jaggaloon who is fucking filming himself on TikTok for clout

2130
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 2: and whatever else you want to say, and then you know,

2131
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 2: folks getting mad at it at media. It's like, guys,

2132
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 2: you drummed out of the business. All the people who

2133
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 2: are trying to do this the right way, like this,

2134
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 2: this is what you get, right.

2135
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, look what has changed over

2136
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 3: the last fifteen years, and for example, something I come

2137
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 3: from the boxing media. You know, major newspapers are not

2138
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 3: employing boxing writers anymore, so you're automatically going to get

2139
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 3: you know, major sites as well, so you're automatically going

2140
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 3: to get less of the day to day quote unquote legitimate.

2141
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 3: That does open the door for more illegitimate, but Luke,

2142
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 3: a lot of these illegitimate quote unquote people have been

2143
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 3: able to turn it into probably more traffic then the

2144
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 3: legitimate ones would be able to deliver. So you may not,

2145
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 3: like person in a shtick, playing a character, going up

2146
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 3: there only to self promote themselves. But if you are

2147
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 3: the UFC or in this case, Real Fight Promotions or

2148
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:52,560
Speaker 3: you know, MVP Promotions, even if someone's coming up and

2149
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 3: acting like a jack off to make a sixty second

2150
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 3: viral video, it's still promoting your event, even though it's

2151
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 3: all about them. So that's also the need to.

2152
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 2: Be subject to this kind of bullshit. They don't they really.

2153
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 3: It's the meme culture we live in. This is also

2154
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:11,679
Speaker 3: carnival crossover boxing as well, so that's sort of yeah.

2155
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 2: Even then, I mean, if our producer says it's a plant,

2156
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was to an extended plant. But the

2157
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 2: whole thing it fell apart pretty quickly is a beat

2158
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 2: your fucking ass and it's just complete, complete crickets in

2159
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 2: that American Airlines fans.

2160
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 3: Dude, that's the kind of pot stirring you do when

2161
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 3: there's a fan base there to back you up, Luke,

2162
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,719
Speaker 3: if you're really trying to go, you know, meme style

2163
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 3: and create a moment.

2164
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 2: There was one of the things that came from the

2165
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,679
Speaker 2: press conference very quickly. We'll react to it here. Texas

2166
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:42,839
Speaker 2: has let's say, some not very lenient rules around marijuana

2167
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 2: consumption and being licensed to fight. Someone informed them of that,

2168
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 2: I should say informed the dias of that, and he

2169
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:50,640
Speaker 2: was a little bit surprised roll it.

2170
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 3: There are some back and forth tweets about steroids. You

2171
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 3: want there to be dress? Yeah, I don't, okay, An,

2172
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 3: The way I've been finding my whole career has been

2173
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 3: on Sarah, you know how to pass the testing.

2174
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 5: There will be.

2175
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 2: Testing in this fight.

2176
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 3: We're gonna be testing.

2177
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 2: Testing.

2178
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,680
Speaker 3: There's a lot of weed in mind, there is. Is

2179
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 3: it hard to get Jake to agreed about it?

2180
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 2: Just no, he was down with it and maybe Zachie can.

2181
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 3: There's no tolerance policy for marijuana here in Texas.

2182
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 2: How is that?

2183
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 3: How are you playing on handling that Nate be determined

2184
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 3: based on our deal with Wait what happened? They have

2185
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,640
Speaker 3: a no tolerance policy for marijuana here in Texas with

2186
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 3: the commissions. We're talking with the commissions and about how

2187
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 3: that's gonna work.

2188
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 2: Plan. Well, let's go.

2189
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 3: Let's go to California. We got the cops behind.

2190
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 2: Is it cool? I may Blaze is a blend of Dallas.

2191
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 3: Dallas Beaud's figure hed Ago shout out to Dallas p d.

2192
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 2: We can't you.

2193
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 3: I mean, what are they gonna do Luke strip him

2194
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 3: of his crossover celebrity boxing super fight title if he wins.

2195
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I just think it'd be funny

2196
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 2: if Texas was like, yeah, we're gonna let two guys

2197
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,639
Speaker 2: like you know, Dotta five thousand and Kimbos livet fight

2198
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 2: nearly to the death. But if Nate Diaz has marijuana system,

2199
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 2: well we just can't let that fight go.

2200
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 3: I mean, in Florida, you can like walk around with

2201
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:22,679
Speaker 3: an automatic rifle, but you legally can't smoke a joint Luke.

2202
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,599
Speaker 2: So you know it makes sense if you're yeah, hey,

2203
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 2: but let's.

2204
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,599
Speaker 3: Keep going back to Texas Combat Sports, right, they never

2205
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:29,759
Speaker 3: screwed up. They're great.

2206
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:32,720
Speaker 2: Last, but not least. We got some quick hitters. We'll

2207
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 2: run through these very quickly. We don't have a whole

2208
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 2: lot to say. BC. He was supposed to fight out

2209
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 2: to Mooikano, but it got scrapped because he got injured.

2210
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 2: But Arminsar Yukiin is gonna take on Joaquin Silva. This

2211
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 2: is set for June seventeenth. I'm alright with it. Fun fight.

2212
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. I need more. Sorry, you can busier,

2213
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 3: Let's do it, let's figure out.

2214
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 2: Let's do it. I completely agree. By the way. Also,

2215
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,600
Speaker 2: I didn't mind the Waikano fight, but this is a

2216
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 2: tough fight. But when he should win, gives them a

2217
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 2: little bit more reps. I kind of like that, all right,

2218
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 2: chack O Santos along with told many others. But we

2219
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 2: only know if I think two or three fails a

2220
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 2: drug excuse me along with four others. But there's even

2221
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 2: more than that. I'm told uh PFL smart cage to

2222
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 2: use this. This is what it says in my writing.

2223
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 2: The PFL smart Cage use a super smart algorithm to

2224
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:17,480
Speaker 2: catch Thiago Santo's Christoph Joco, two UFC veterans Bruno Capaloza

2225
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 2: and then Ris von Kunia. BC, I have to tell

2226
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 2: you not surprised, but also don't really care.

2227
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean at this point, let let them,

2228
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 3: let them, let them do it.

2229
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 2: Who watches this PFL to be like yo, I need

2230
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 2: I can only watch PFL if they're on drug free bro.

2231
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 2: Just can't do And by the way, I saw a

2232
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 2: PFL in just like the worst decision making imaginable. Thinking

2233
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:46,839
Speaker 2: about working with you, Sada, It's like, dude, every promoter

2234
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,640
Speaker 2: who's not UFC should actively be avoiding it. Now, if

2235
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 2: you're if your main event guys want to use VADA, fine, fine,

2236
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 2: but that's up to them. I have no issue with that,

2237
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 2: But like actively requiring that kind of thing when you're

2238
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 2: when you're outside the UFC is like promotional malpractice. To

2239
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 2: be perfectly honest, Okay, BC, I'm not gonna read the

2240
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 2: whole thing here, but Paul Craig has in fact made

2241
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 2: a successful test cut to five said it felt horrible,

2242
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 2: but he could do it. Do you you still want

2243
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:17,439
Speaker 2: him to do it now that he was able to

2244
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:18,639
Speaker 2: find a way to make it happen.

2245
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 3: I mean, if he can pull it off. He was

2246
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 3: talking to the Leathered podcast. I believe that's his podcast, Luke.

2247
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:26,639
Speaker 2: I believe it's his Yeah, meaning getting Drunk.

2248
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. I hope it's an S and M spinoff podcast

2249
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 3: as well. But uh, I mean, look, uh, I don't know.

2250
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 3: I mean, did you feel like he was in a

2251
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 3: point where he had to make a drastic move, Luke,

2252
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 3: did you feel like we were at that point?

2253
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 2: No? No, and always. I mean again, it's not like

2254
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 2: he dropped ten pounds, it's twenty. That's a lot. Yeah.

2255
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 3: I mean, if he can pull it off, and this

2256
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 3: is gonna be a healthy thing. I do think, Luke,

2257
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 3: as we're finding out in recent years that there's like

2258
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 3: the weightcutting you did because you knew a guy who

2259
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 3: kind of knew what he was doing, and then there's

2260
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 3: professional weightcutting with experts and you know, and even using

2261
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 3: the p I in the in the you know, the

2262
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 3: resources that they positively give you there. We've seen a

2263
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 3: lot of fighters once they cross over to that professional

2264
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 3: level of hole. Let me take it serious, that they

2265
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 3: can pull off hard weight cuts as long as he's

2266
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 3: doing it the right way and he feels like he

2267
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 3: can be Okay, let's try it, Luke. Fine, Sure, try it.

2268
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:19,599
Speaker 3: But he's too you know, he's too good looking, Luke,

2269
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 3: and too you know, and too active outside of the

2270
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 3: cage to mess with his health if you ask me,

2271
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 3: all right, there's too many, too many birds. He can be,

2272
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 3: you know, skateboarding his way to you know what I mean?

2273
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 3: What did he do when he left our room service

2274
01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 3: diaries couch, Luke, He's like, oh, yeah, I got a

2275
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 3: lunch date dessert only Yeah.

2276
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 2: It might be some salad tossing involved, all right, you see. Last,

2277
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 2: but not least, Jamal Hill wants to return in August.

2278
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't say who, but there you go.

2279
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 3: So there's a rumor that they're they're gonna book pro

2280
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 3: Hotska in Boston. So uh and Jamal Hill told them

2281
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 3: may junkie Luke that he's hearing August in Boston. Dude,

2282
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,600
Speaker 3: that fight's gonna be awesome.

2283
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 2: Yes it is. That fight's going to be fucking crazy

2284
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 2: like all of his fights, and someone's probably gonna get

2285
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 2: viciously knocked out and I don't really know who, and

2286
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 2: that makes it fun.

2287
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 3: Can and that's why I watch MMA. All right, Look,

2288
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 3: let's transition to the closing segment of the day, where

2289
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,959
Speaker 3: we give you an email address Morning Combat at gmail

2290
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 3: dot com and you can send in. Yeah, your dead

2291
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 3: wrongs on Friday. But Wednesday is where we open up

2292
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:25,799
Speaker 3: the fridge door and we let you paste your artwork

2293
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 3: on the outside of it in pictures of your fiance

2294
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 3: wearing our clothes. Yeah, it's called fenceubmissions. You've got mail futures.

2295
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 2: A buddy of mine, I almost like a buddy of

2296
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 2: mine right now? This is this Okay. This guy was

2297
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 2: the salutatorian of my high school, meaning not the top GPA,

2298
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 2: but just under it, and he went to Georgetown like

2299
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 2: just an eminent winner. He just texted me a picture

2300
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 2: of himself getting a tattoo on his forearm right now,

2301
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:55,559
Speaker 2: so I'm trying to figure out what the hell is

2302
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 2: going on.

2303
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let me judge him by his by his

2304
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,759
Speaker 3: not only the design, but the the craft, the artwork.

2305
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 3: Because you know, for for all the all the all

2306
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 3: the shit you've tossed at, mister Hebos, you know your

2307
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 3: friends are going to be judged from here on out

2308
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 3: for their ink. Very strong.

2309
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 2: I only I only did it because you made me like.

2310
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 2: I didn't go out of my way to be like

2311
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 2: every time, let's talk about it. You wanted to talk

2312
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:25,599
Speaker 2: because you were like, oh, the sentiment is nice. That

2313
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 2: must mean therefore the artwork is good and the two

2314
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 2: are not connected.

2315
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 3: Come here, spitfire, all right, Luke, Let's start off with

2316
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 3: el Hefe, not Jeffy uh missus. Heffey and I were

2317
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 3: representing MK at Extreme Knockout Fight Night sixty in Arlington,

2318
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 3: Texas and a Tip to Tip Pick at the US

2319
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:51,479
Speaker 3: debut of One Championship in Broomfield, Colorado. I fully expect

2320
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 3: a solid roasting for the out of shape bordering on

2321
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 3: fat guy in little shirt picks, but I wanted to

2322
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 3: say that out of all the major box and UFC

2323
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 3: events I've attended in my life, including multiple UFC pay

2324
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 3: per views and both Canelo and Errol Spence pay per views,

2325
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 3: the atmosphere of One Championship was easily top three and

2326
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 3: possibly the best. Not one fight broke out in the

2327
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:17,479
Speaker 3: crowd that I saw. I've never been to a UFC

2328
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 3: event that didn't have at least one fight breakout, and

2329
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 3: most boxing events have multiple. And you're right, and no

2330
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 3: booing that I remember. Even in the submission grappling events.

2331
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 3: Some miss misogynistic as shit screams during the female fights.

2332
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:35,719
Speaker 3: So not a perfect crowd, but a great live experience. Luke,

2333
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,759
Speaker 3: you're a washed dad with a beard. Can you comment

2334
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:44,800
Speaker 3: on el Heffy's facial look and ink and tight T shirts?

2335
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 2: Hard to tell with the in because I can't get

2336
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:49,600
Speaker 2: a great look at it. You know, hey, listen, the

2337
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 2: T shirts probably are a bit short, but the level

2338
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 2: of dedication between this gentleman and his better half here

2339
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 2: is significant, and for that I give them high marks.

2340
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 3: They go to fights. Look, they are fight fans. They

2341
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 3: go to fights, and they.

2342
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 2: Tell you that one show looked good. It looked good,

2343
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:09,599
Speaker 2: you know watching it.

2344
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, shout out to that lady for wearing our

2345
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 3: brand to represent her man, Luke, Okay, because she loves

2346
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 3: him so much. Wow, you think my wife would wear

2347
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 3: morning combat gear at any point, Luke. Do you think

2348
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 3: there's a chance.

2349
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 2: Like to take out the garbage or something.

2350
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 3: Not a chance, Yeah, not a chance at all. Does

2351
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 3: not want anyone to go up to him and be like,

2352
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:31,640
Speaker 3: oh you're a dog, you like morny co.

2353
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 2: Uh my wife would, but we don't make anything in

2354
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:38,560
Speaker 2: her size like she's chikka.

2355
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:43,200
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well you have to talk to not

2356
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 3: RJ for that, Luke. Let's go over to whizzle Ho.

2357
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 3: He says, uh hey, Luke, whatever happened to that T

2358
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 3: shirt company you started way back in the day. As

2359
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 3: you can see from that photo, my TRT Turtles, Oh

2360
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 3: my god, hasn't aged a bit. See the image one

2361
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 3: attached And if you're wonder, yes it smells as bad

2362
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 3: as it looks, making it the perfect gym shirt. But

2363
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 3: no worries, Luke. You can still redeem yourself in the

2364
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 3: next photo by naming the exercise I'm doing and who

2365
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:12,960
Speaker 3: is on the painting in the background.

2366
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 2: So this is easy. He's doing something called a Zurcher squad. Yea,

2367
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:19,520
Speaker 2: And the guy in the background is Franco Colombu.

2368
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 3: Dude, you went two for two on there. Cheers from Germany,

2369
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 3: you dedicated infantry combat killers.

2370
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:29,400
Speaker 2: Go back real quickly. I want to show you here.

2371
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 2: Franco Columba, the guy deadlifting was Arnold Schwarzenegger's number one

2372
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 2: training partner. He actually tragically died not too long ago, drowning.

2373
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 2: I think in the Mediterranean Sea on a voting accident,

2374
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 2: and then the Zurcher Squad is famous because now a

2375
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 2: lot of guys are using this to train takedown defense,

2376
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 2: which you can imagine why that would be a thing

2377
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 2: they want to do. As for the T shirt company,

2378
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 2: I had an idea to start one and we just

2379
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 2: really never got off the ground and it was too

2380
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 2: much work and I kind of abandoned shit pretty quickly.

2381
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 2: But we did have some good ideas in terms of artwork.

2382
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,720
Speaker 3: Not his cable management, but if we can go back

2383
01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 3: to that gym picture one work, can you talk about

2384
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 3: his pipe management and his gym setup.

2385
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 2: Luke, Well, the pipe management, you know, I mean in

2386
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 2: terms of laying pipe is probably with that you know

2387
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:10,479
Speaker 2: set up great.

2388
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't going there, but I agree with you

2389
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 3: on that. But there's like exposed Oh that's like his

2390
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 3: boiler room basically.

2391
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's what I would say. There's a guy

2392
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 2: named Pete Rubish, which for a time was he he

2393
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 2: was on it. He's been in a sort of like

2394
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 2: a noteworthy journey where he took a bunch of steroids

2395
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 2: and he got really fucking strong and he got off

2396
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:30,560
Speaker 2: of him. Now he doesn't use him anymore. But for

2397
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 2: a time he was one of the best deadlifters in

2398
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:36,080
Speaker 2: the world, and he actually started filming himself in his

2399
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 2: boiler room next to his washer and dryer, and he

2400
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 2: got famous even during that time. So I actually respect

2401
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 2: that he's deadlifting or Zuercher squatting. Anyway down in this space,

2402
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 2: it's just the mullet thing just fucking kills me.

2403
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:52,000
Speaker 3: But you know, all right, Hey, let's go over to Alex.

2404
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:58,200
Speaker 3: He says. The tattoo is of he facedst Luke? Is

2405
01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 3: that working at his anvil? Is that some Greek god?

2406
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how to pronounce he hephaesis? You ever

2407
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 3: hear of that?

2408
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 2: I have to see it spelled. I'm not sure.

2409
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:10,440
Speaker 3: H E P h A E S t U S.

2410
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 3: Who is that? Luke?

2411
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Again, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

2412
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this guy says, I use the tat to

2413
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 3: cover scars from six surgeries it took to put my

2414
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 3: leg back together after an accident, thirteen hours over two sessions.

2415
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 3: This is Alex Luke.

2416
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 2: Your thoughts here we go. BC. He's got pie there,

2417
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 2: the symbol pie at the bottom of the tattoo. What

2418
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:34,320
Speaker 2: is pi? How would you define it?

2419
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 3: Three point one four? So he faced, this is the

2420
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 3: god of fire.

2421
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 2: But that's not what pie is? What is pi? Like?

2422
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 2: What number does it represent?

2423
01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 3: Hair pie? That's a third base from Luke.

2424
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:48,640
Speaker 2: You know this actually goes much further. It's infinitely running

2425
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 2: three point one four, five, nine, twenty seven. Blah blah blah.

2426
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 2: Goes on from there. It's the relationship in every circle

2427
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:56,240
Speaker 2: between the circumference and the diameter. That's how you get

2428
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 2: that number. Every single circle is the exact same. It's

2429
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 2: the relationship to this circumference of the diameter three point

2430
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 2: seven blah blah blah.

2431
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 3: If this show got canceled, like, how many further steps

2432
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 3: down in your personal life would it take before you're

2433
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 3: teaching community college like Robin Williams and Goodwill hunting?

2434
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 2: Luke, it's not your fault. It's not your fault.

2435
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 3: Let's go to Johnny m here's a meme from the show.

2436
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:24,720
Speaker 2: He says, all right, let's see BC making a valid point.

2437
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 2: Luke not listening and reading his notes making the same point.

2438
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 2: Right after that happens. I'm trying to be better about it,

2439
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 2: but it still does happen time to time I'm afraid

2440
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 2: I even.

2441
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 3: Do it to you every once in a while, Luke,

2442
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 3: all right.

2443
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 2: Once in a while. Not as bad as me, but

2444
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:37,600
Speaker 2: once in a while.

2445
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 3: This is Chris, He says, Hey, washed pieces of shit.

2446
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:45,040
Speaker 3: Something smells and the odor is quite pungent. No, it

2447
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 3: isn't Luke's sweaty pits after working out in the lawn.

2448
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:51,360
Speaker 3: And it's not BC's expired rotting toes. It is very

2449
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 3: futa though, and the vile smell that would singe the

2450
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 3: nosehirs of a normal mortal, but it certainly excites BC's nostrils.

2451
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:02,640
Speaker 3: Who could well could simultaneously smell so offensive, Yeah, be

2452
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 3: so attractive for BC. Usually it would be gas station

2453
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:11,120
Speaker 3: raccoon feed. Not today, Today it's BC's feces. Chris from

2454
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 3: Long Island here, Luke, He says, he'll get you next

2455
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 3: week with a different meme. But what do you think?

2456
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 2: Sure he will like it a lot. Actually, I think

2457
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:20,960
Speaker 2: it's pretty great your weekly dose of elder abuse and

2458
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:24,080
Speaker 2: embarrassing white people. Hey. In fairness, yes, it does have that,

2459
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 2: but it also has embarrassment for a lot of other groups.

2460
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 2: I want to be we are very inclusive in terms

2461
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 2: of who we roast on this fucking show.

2462
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:35,720
Speaker 3: Very true. It just happens to often be white people.

2463
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,760
Speaker 2: Just doing crazy shit. I mean, I don't make the rules.

2464
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 3: Let's bring in J Piquette, Luke, Good Day, Luke and

2465
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 3: BC and MK Nation. Since this has been referenced on

2466
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 3: the show before, and most recently last Wednesday Friday's in

2467
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 3: Studio edition finally of MK Hot Ones featuring Luke Thomas

2468
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 3: and Brian Campbell, the revised version of My Fans Of

2469
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,920
Speaker 3: from twenty twenty two, Luke, step up your vape game

2470
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 3: with the b vape and BC, let's make that liver

2471
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 3: a little darker, my brother. Let's go love you guys.

2472
01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 3: Keep up the amazing, multi award winning show. It's the

2473
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 3: Codonka of the Year and super Fan for Life from

2474
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:13,920
Speaker 3: Mount You Nike. It's J Piquette, Luke, your thoughts on

2475
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:14,680
Speaker 3: these memes here?

2476
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 2: Pretty good. I'll give it a solid B minus C

2477
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 2: plus pretty.

2478
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:26,200
Speaker 3: Good, Mike, he's saying that. Jay Piquette also said in

2479
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:27,839
Speaker 3: a three minute tribute video.

2480
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 2: I mean, one of these guys, they're just turning in.

2481
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:30,600
Speaker 2: This is not MTV.

2482
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 3: It's not MTV, So apparently we can't play the full

2483
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:36,760
Speaker 3: three minute video right now. But we'll figure out something.

2484
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 3: I guess, Luke. Are we going to actually need hot

2485
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 3: wings Friday in the studio? Is that a thing?

2486
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:45,200
Speaker 2: I hope? So, I hope, So all right, all right.

2487
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,960
Speaker 3: Let's go over to Don p Is this Don Piquette, Luke.

2488
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, Hey, guys, surely not the BBL Luke

2489
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:56,760
Speaker 3: was hoping for. But I heard the show renamed renamed

2490
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:00,920
Speaker 3: me as BBL the Baller Boss Lady, so I figured

2491
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:03,720
Speaker 3: it was time to check in. Included is a video

2492
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 3: with some pictures from my recent Vegas conference. We had

2493
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:09,040
Speaker 3: a great time on the strip showing off our MK merch.

2494
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 3: Big shout out to my close friend and co worker.

2495
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 3: A call for her participation and for being such a

2496
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:16,400
Speaker 3: great sport. Take care of much love. It's Don p

2497
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 3: Aka Baller Boss Lady.

2498
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:33,760
Speaker 2: No because his wife looks like a baller. Everybody's got

2499
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:34,320
Speaker 2: a price.

2500
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 4: Everybody's gonna pay always it's his way.

2501
01:59:57,800 --> 02:00:04,120
Speaker 3: Some Mike costco level, Some might cost a.

2502
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:17,560
Speaker 2: Lot and you will be But okay, a lot of

2503
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:21,880
Speaker 2: self promotion here, A lot of self promotion, Luke.

2504
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:24,320
Speaker 3: They did wear our brand, meaning Boss Lady and her

2505
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:26,240
Speaker 3: friend Nicole all over that process.

2506
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of back padding going on here.

2507
02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:30,360
Speaker 2: I hope the paquettes don't break their arms.

2508
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 3: Do you have any comments about the boss lady's friend Luke?

2509
02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:39,120
Speaker 2: Thanks for the support, that'll be nice.

2510
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 3: I mean, did do you think Jay puts his wife

2511
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 3: up to this over gunpoint or no?

2512
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:43,600
Speaker 4: No?

2513
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 2: They seem like two peas in a pod, like they

2514
02:00:45,400 --> 02:00:46,520
Speaker 2: most look at each other and be like, you know,

2515
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:48,440
Speaker 2: it's step brothers, Like are we did we just become

2516
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 2: best friends? Like they all think the same things, you know, Yeah, yeah,

2517
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:51,600
Speaker 2: all right.

2518
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:54,720
Speaker 3: All right. I got something here from Alan w another

2519
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:57,120
Speaker 3: star in the in the lineage here, since I know

2520
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,760
Speaker 3: Luke has a deep hate for thor Love and Thunder,

2521
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 3: while well, Brian is a deep love for the film.

2522
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 3: I don't know about Deep Love, folks. I did see

2523
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:06,160
Speaker 3: it with my son in the movies, and he was excited,

2524
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:09,760
Speaker 3: and I thought it was entertaining. Okay, not a cinematic classic,

2525
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 3: but it was entertaining. I felt it's appropriate to push

2526
02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 3: out some parody art from my art whole ps Brian,

2527
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:19,600
Speaker 3: I know you haven't been a fan of my reimagination

2528
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:22,000
Speaker 3: of you in the female form. I've tried my best

2529
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 3: in making you presentable. Hair to be fair, I don't

2530
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 3: have much to work with, do I allan neither do I? Yes?

2531
02:01:28,440 --> 02:01:31,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I love this. This is great love and blunder.

2532
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's decent. He's got a second one here,

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02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:38,960
Speaker 3: he says, being that three margaritas is not equivalent to

2534
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:42,200
Speaker 3: fifty fucking beers. It's no surprise that you guys ingest

2535
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,640
Speaker 3: Delta eight's and not med card Delta nines with higher

2536
02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:50,320
Speaker 3: THHC levels. Here's the tireless improvement and expansion in all

2537
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:56,400
Speaker 3: ways at our art play with the stellar sushi documentary

2538
02:01:57,480 --> 02:01:59,040
Speaker 3: Giro Dreams of Sushi.

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02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:03,120
Speaker 2: Know it's euro Dreams of Sushi, right, or Giero Dreams

2540
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:06,080
Speaker 2: of Sushi zero. Okay, it's that you've never seen the documentary.

2541
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:06,880
Speaker 2: I've told you about it.

2542
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:08,880
Speaker 3: I have not seen the documentary.

2543
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:12,480
Speaker 2: It's this old it's this old Japanese guy who actually

2544
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:17,600
Speaker 2: has a sushi shop in somewhere in the Tokyo subway system.

2545
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:19,840
Speaker 2: But you gotta remember Tokyo Subway is, like, you know,

2546
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:22,360
Speaker 2: it's really well maintained. It's one of the considered one

2547
02:02:22,360 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 2: of the best restaurants in the world. Some of the

2548
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:26,360
Speaker 2: best sushi you can get. But the whole the whole

2549
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:29,600
Speaker 2: documentary is about how he does the same thing every day.

2550
02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:32,120
Speaker 2: He just tries to be as perfect as possible each day,

2551
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 2: and like what the value is in trying to do

2552
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:35,760
Speaker 2: that with your life? It's really cool?

2553
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:38,480
Speaker 3: All right. Do you think it's true though, that that

2554
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 3: Medcard Delta Nines have higher THHC levels?

2555
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:50,080
Speaker 2: They do, but I have those two, so.

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02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:48,880
Speaker 3: Did you go yeah?

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02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:49,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:52,080
Speaker 3: All right. Finally from Ellen w this is for BC.

2559
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:55,840
Speaker 3: The modern heavyweight boxing era is actually the super heavyweight era.

2560
02:02:56,120 --> 02:02:58,720
Speaker 3: And I reflected on some of the best super heavyweights

2561
02:02:58,760 --> 02:03:02,040
Speaker 3: of all time inside and or height. Instead of asking

2562
02:03:02,040 --> 02:03:03,840
Speaker 3: you who is the best, I present to you here

2563
02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:07,880
Speaker 3: the super super Heavyweight tournament bracket. I would like your

2564
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:11,400
Speaker 3: critique and commentary when it comes to the progression of

2565
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:14,480
Speaker 3: this tourney. These are, in my opinion, peak versions of

2566
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:17,120
Speaker 3: each fighter. And I also threw in six foot four

2567
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:21,000
Speaker 3: George Foreman from nineteen seventy three to make things interesting.

2568
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:24,280
Speaker 3: So look, this is an eight man super heavyweight. The

2569
02:03:24,280 --> 02:03:27,080
Speaker 3: idea of super heavyweight basically to me means like six

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02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:31,600
Speaker 3: four or five and taller and jacked. Tyson Fury against

2571
02:03:31,680 --> 02:03:35,000
Speaker 3: Lennox Lewis on one side, Vladimir Klitchko against Ritick Bow

2572
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:37,080
Speaker 3: and another and on the other side of the bracket

2573
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:41,160
Speaker 3: George Foreman versus Deontay Wilder and Vitali clitch Goo versus

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02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:45,560
Speaker 3: Anthony Joshua. Luke also is their years of the best

2575
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:48,160
Speaker 3: version of them who's coming out of this tournament?

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02:03:48,200 --> 02:03:51,840
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, so Foreman beats Wilder, I'm gonna say the

2577
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:58,600
Speaker 2: two thousand and three clitchkow ooh no Joshua ja. I

2578
02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:01,440
Speaker 2: think Joshua knocks out Sorry you think you think Battalion

2579
02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:03,600
Speaker 2: knocks out Anthony without question?

2580
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:05,960
Speaker 3: Not even a second thought in my mind.

2581
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 2: Okakay. So then Foreman versus Vittalia, I'm still gonna take Foreman.

2582
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:13,360
Speaker 2: On the other side, you got Fury Lennox Lewis. That's

2583
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:16,200
Speaker 2: a tough one, but I'm probably gonna go Fury. Then

2584
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:18,560
Speaker 2: you have Vladimir f twenty ten versus Ridick Bow of

2585
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 2: ninety three. I'm gonna go Ridick Bow.

2586
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude. Then Ritck bo is one of although he

2587
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:24,400
Speaker 3: made the Hall of Fame, Luke and I did think

2588
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:27,440
Speaker 3: it was questionable the peak version of Riddick Bow from

2589
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:29,680
Speaker 3: the first Holy Field Fight, when he for the only

2590
02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:32,360
Speaker 3: time in his career, committed to fitness on a level

2591
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:35,080
Speaker 3: that we've never seen before. That's one of the scariest

2592
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:37,840
Speaker 3: heavyweights of all time on a single night like without.

2593
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then you've got Fury probably versus Bow.

2594
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:45,320
Speaker 2: I like Fury there, so then it's Fury versus Foreman.

2595
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:48,320
Speaker 2: I'd probably take Fury, honestly.

2596
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:50,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, Man, I got to see a Fury

2597
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:52,720
Speaker 3: gets by lennx Lewis. That Lennox Lewis matchup is tough

2598
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:55,240
Speaker 3: for Fury. That's tough, Luke, that's a tough fight. The

2599
02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:57,200
Speaker 3: winner of that may win the whole thing. By the way,

2600
02:04:57,240 --> 02:05:01,920
Speaker 3: the winner of that first round matchup, what do you

2601
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 3: think Lennox Lewis could win this whole super heavyweight bracket?

2602
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:06,960
Speaker 2: Lenox could win, Fury could win, or Foreman could win.

2603
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,440
Speaker 2: I feel like any of those three could win. All right?

2604
02:05:09,480 --> 02:05:11,880
Speaker 3: And what did I miss a meme in there, Mikey

2605
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:13,560
Speaker 3: in between? Was that another Alan w one?

2606
02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke dreams of Delta eight.

2607
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:18,000
Speaker 3: Oh, that's great, that's great. All right, we closed with this, Luke.

2608
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:20,480
Speaker 3: Average Joe r is trying to make a move here.

2609
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:25,400
Speaker 2: So pumped to see this because this dude's been teasing

2610
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 2: this on social media. Yeah what you got, kid, Let's

2611
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:28,960
Speaker 2: see what you got.

2612
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:30,600
Speaker 3: It's like been showing us a little bit of his

2613
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:32,600
Speaker 3: ball hair, a little bit of the Yeah you know

2614
02:05:32,680 --> 02:05:35,880
Speaker 3: I I show Let me see the whole thing, right, Hi, guys.

2615
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:38,760
Speaker 3: From my final audition, I've decided to bring out the

2616
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:41,160
Speaker 3: big guns. Fun fact, I keep a notebook of random

2617
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:43,560
Speaker 3: ideas I have for artwork, and the list for mks

2618
02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:46,240
Speaker 3: are on twenty deep. There are two ideas I've been

2619
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:47,840
Speaker 3: sitting on for a while that I finally had the

2620
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:50,960
Speaker 3: time to sit down and execute. Both ideas pay homage

2621
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:54,640
Speaker 3: to classics for different reasons, but also offer completely different

2622
02:05:54,640 --> 02:05:58,080
Speaker 3: looks for MK merch. Instead of the Big Boy, I

2623
02:05:58,160 --> 02:06:01,200
Speaker 3: present to you the Beije Boy. Have you seen this

2624
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:04,480
Speaker 3: shit design featuring a sloppy BC spece.

2625
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:06,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

2626
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:11,600
Speaker 3: Wow. Now we have two two logos for this.

2627
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:16,440
Speaker 2: That is that is first fucking rate and I like

2628
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 2: the morning combat in like the neck of the shirt

2629
02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 2: you know I'm talking about right there at the top.

2630
02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2631
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 3: Uh. Secondly, here, instead of heroes in a half shell,

2632
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:28,720
Speaker 3: I present to you middle aged washed podcasting duo.

2633
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:32,320
Speaker 2: Dude, you gotta be fucking kidding me.

2634
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:35,760
Speaker 3: Luke sports the red from the DC flag. Did I

2635
02:06:35,800 --> 02:06:38,960
Speaker 3: get the tattoo? Correct? I did it from memory, while

2636
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:41,560
Speaker 3: Brian sports the blue from CT and ops for a

2637
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:45,400
Speaker 3: gas station hot dog over a slice of pizza.

2638
02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:48,400
Speaker 2: Dude, I mean, if we don't make that fucking shirt,

2639
02:06:48,440 --> 02:06:51,600
Speaker 2: I would wear that shirt five days a week. Yeah,

2640
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:53,120
Speaker 2: that's kind of weird wearing my own shirt, but you

2641
02:06:53,160 --> 02:06:55,600
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, We gotta get that on a

2642
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:56,400
Speaker 2: fucking shirt.

2643
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 3: Man, A few people on the same phone call and

2644
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:01,880
Speaker 3: figure this out. Uh. Average Joe Art closes with, get

2645
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:03,560
Speaker 3: out your boy and let's make a deal so I

2646
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:08,160
Speaker 3: can knock Outree Thomas's front Yard Weightlifting Club and BC's

2647
02:07:08,240 --> 02:07:11,680
Speaker 3: Black Liver Special. And since summer is approaching, an MK

2648
02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:14,520
Speaker 3: take on TNC Surf. Wow, I'd be here for that.

2649
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:19,360
Speaker 3: Remember that from the eighties, Luke, Remember that skateboarding Nintendo game? Yeah, gentlemen,

2650
02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:23,280
Speaker 3: my lines of communication are open. It's average Joe Art.

2651
02:07:23,720 --> 02:07:25,480
Speaker 2: I love it. I want to see it. I hope

2652
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:27,560
Speaker 2: you get a chance to do something. You gotta understand,

2653
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:31,000
Speaker 2: we don't. The merch situation is better now. It works,

2654
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:33,880
Speaker 2: but in terms of like creative input, we're not exactly

2655
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:35,280
Speaker 2: sure how that's gonna go. So we have to figure

2656
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:38,720
Speaker 2: this out. But look at me. I love what you made.

2657
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:40,560
Speaker 2: I love everything about it.

2658
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:44,360
Speaker 3: I can't wait to Uh can we play business j

2659
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:46,760
Speaker 3: Piquette's URJ dedication video on Friday.

2660
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, time permitting.

2661
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:52,280
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I could take an I could take a.

2662
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:53,880
Speaker 2: Nap through it. I can probably take a dump.

2663
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you probably could. Morning come well, look at

2664
02:07:57,160 --> 02:08:01,200
Speaker 3: that Morning Combat at email, Luke is where you can

2665
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:04,160
Speaker 3: send in your bullshit to us. Thank you so seriously

2666
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:06,320
Speaker 3: across the board, a lot a lot of great submissions

2667
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:09,160
Speaker 3: coming in and uh, thank you boss lady down for

2668
02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:11,920
Speaker 3: dealing with that man and representing us in Vegas.

2669
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:14,480
Speaker 2: All right there, Yeah, we appreciate that very much. Thank you.

2670
02:08:15,200 --> 02:08:17,320
Speaker 2: I want to remind everyone, because he said before Morning

2671
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:19,839
Speaker 2: Combat at gmail dot com to reach the show Friday

2672
02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:23,160
Speaker 2: show in studio. Are we gonna eat hot wings a

2673
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:24,280
Speaker 2: bucket of scorpions?

2674
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:25,400
Speaker 3: Who knows?

2675
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:27,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's gonna be fun. It's gonna

2676
02:08:27,160 --> 02:08:28,560
Speaker 2: be a fun show. We're gonna do something for you

2677
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:30,960
Speaker 2: guys on Friday. Don't forget BC and I will also

2678
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:34,200
Speaker 2: be in studio to call the prelims for the Showtime

2679
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:36,960
Speaker 2: Championship boxing card that's gonna be on Saturday. Roly Romero

2680
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:38,680
Speaker 2: back in Action, by the way, for the full?

2681
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:40,680
Speaker 3: Is it for the full?

2682
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:44,280
Speaker 2: So they got yeah, it's that. Well, he's a champion

2683
02:08:44,360 --> 02:08:45,600
Speaker 2: in recess so ze.

2684
02:08:46,280 --> 02:08:48,680
Speaker 3: No today they announced champion for the vacant it's for

2685
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:50,880
Speaker 3: the vacant title to today they announced that.

2686
02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:53,480
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so anykas Roly Romero Back in Action could

2687
02:08:53,480 --> 02:08:55,440
Speaker 2: be a fun little contest there. We'll be calling the

2688
02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 2: prelims for you from the studios in Jersey City and

2689
02:08:59,200 --> 02:09:01,440
Speaker 2: uh yeah, you see that's it. Anything for the audience

2690
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:02,000
Speaker 2: that they should know.

2691
02:09:03,240 --> 02:09:06,520
Speaker 3: No, I mean, you know, not really really all.

2692
02:09:06,520 --> 02:09:08,240
Speaker 2: Right here, here's for BC checks out. This is the

2693
02:09:08,280 --> 02:09:11,520
Speaker 2: old BC checkout. Ready, just gonna just quit on you

2694
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 2: right in the middle. This is what this is what

2695
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:15,120
Speaker 2: he does at dinner. He's like, I've just hit a wall. Like,

2696
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:17,120
Speaker 2: fuck all you guys, I'm gonna leave you here. Uh

2697
02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:20,320
Speaker 2: thanks to see showtime. Showtime dot Com is the label

2698
02:09:20,360 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 2: that pace through to day for ee tro feel like

2699
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:23,680
Speaker 2: you can keep it. If not, you can bounce. Of

2700
02:09:23,720 --> 02:09:26,000
Speaker 2: course we have merch you can go to Morning Combat

2701
02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:28,080
Speaker 2: dot store. Hopefully we can put some average show art

2702
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:30,320
Speaker 2: up in there, and that's it for right now. We

2703
02:09:30,360 --> 02:09:32,480
Speaker 2: are done so thanks to Mikey Mormile on The Ones

2704
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:35,880
Speaker 2: and two CBS Sports Showtime and all of you out there.

2705
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:38,680
Speaker 2: We will see you in studio on Friday for a fun,

2706
02:09:39,200 --> 02:09:42,760
Speaker 2: fun program and until then, may all of your gains

2707
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:43,680
Speaker 2: be loyal.