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Speaker 3: Welcome to Pop and Packs.

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Speaker 4: The segment where I opened an old pack of NBA

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Speaker 4: basketball cards with the star player from the nineties. Today's guest,

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Speaker 4: it's three time champ and one time All Star bj Armstrong.

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Speaker 4: We talk about the time he talked trash to Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 4: his friendship with San Antonio Spurs forward Shawn Elliott, and

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Speaker 4: why bj not Tim Duncan should be known as the

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Speaker 4: King of the bank shop.

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Speaker 3: We jad's connected, It's connecting, and.

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Speaker 2: There it is. J I'm stromay, all right, how' there?

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Speaker 2: You going very good?

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Speaker 5: I have to say, you know, this is the first

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Speaker 6: Well, you know what, thanks for having me on. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's great to have you on here. Man.

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Speaker 5: First off, before we get into it, the season is

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Speaker 5: back today. Did you ever think we were going to

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Speaker 5: get to this point considering everything that's happened this season, well.

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Speaker 2: You know, to you know, twenty twenty has been a

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Speaker 5: And if you've got a prediction who's going to win

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Speaker 3: Hopefully that will continue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope. So you know, like I said, I'm

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited. Looked like ad is playing and let's

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, before that, we've got an even bigger moment. Today.

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Speaker 5: We've got a ninety three to ninety four pack of

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Speaker 5: as the cards come out of the pack, I'm going

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Speaker 4: All right, let's go for okay, Okay. Starting with okay,

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Speaker 4: this guy was a point guard. I believe he came

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Speaker 5: He spent most of well, he started his career with

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Speaker 2: Sherman Douglas.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you got Sherman Douglas.

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Speaker 2: Wow, one for one. Saron the master of the alleu pass.

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Speaker 3: Though, yeah he had. He had a good career.

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Speaker 5: He didn't have a good career against Michael Jordan, if

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Speaker 3: I think he went zero for thirty against Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 3: He didn't last all that long, but two times slam.

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Speaker 7: And I I can't see his name, but I said

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Speaker 3: Right right. He had an unusual shooting style from what

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Speaker 5: Very unusual that that happens. This guy was an All

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Speaker 2: And we've always maintained that relationship. And I remember at

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know, he's a great guy, great friend,

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Speaker 3: Against Miami in nineteen ninety. Larry, No, not Larry Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh man, I remember Alan when he started

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Speaker 5: Because that's the thing that you know, Zoe and Larry Johnson,

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Speaker 3: His career anyway. A couple fat Lever they guy.

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Speaker 2: Fat was guy. I remember the first time I played

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Speaker 5: It's funny though, you know, you mentioned like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know what he You know, however, I see

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Speaker 5: So the last guest we had was Joe Dumas of

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Speaker 5: the Detroit Pistons. Okay, the next one, Well, I think

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Speaker 5: in your rookie season you went to a library of

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Speaker 5: some sort and found research books on geniuses because you

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Speaker 5: wanted to know a little bit more about how this

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is Jeordian. This's got to be Jordan, right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Wanley, there he is the one, the only, and

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Speaker 2: What can we say about him? We just saw a

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Speaker 2: ten We just saw a ten episode documentary on him.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think there's anything else for us left

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Speaker 2: to say about him.

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Speaker 5: But did you did you find a book about geniuses

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Speaker 5: that helped you in any way learn about him and

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Speaker 5: try to figure out a little bit more about him?

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I was just I was big

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Speaker 2: in the reading. I've always been a big reader, and

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Speaker 2: I remember my mom had gave me this book, and

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Speaker 2: as I started reading it, it just reminded me of

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Speaker 2: like this guy that I was with, you know, like

515
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Speaker 2: extreme personalities, extreme things that people have to do or

516
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Speaker 2: you know, if you want to achieve a level of greatness.

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Speaker 2: So it just kind of reminded me of him, and

518
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Speaker 2: I was able to like it, just like I don't

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Speaker 2: know why that book came into my life when I

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Speaker 2: started reading it and I was able to witness I

521
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Speaker 2: had no idea at the time he would go on

522
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Speaker 2: to achieve what he achieved and what we achieved, but

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Speaker 2: certainly it applied to someone who was that driven, that

524
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Speaker 2: motivated to be the very best he could be, and

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Speaker 2: certainly I was very lucky to be able to witness that.

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Speaker 2: And when people say, was he really that good? My

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Speaker 2: answer was yeah, And he was probably better than what

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Speaker 2: they even given them credit for.

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Speaker 5: Did you learn more than reading about geniuses, or the

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Speaker 5: time you talk trash to him and the Bulls after

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Speaker 5: you won that playoff game in Chicago there.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was my first time when I was talking

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Speaker 2: trash to him that I was on the other side

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Speaker 2: of that. So I caught the raft, you know. But

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Speaker 2: you know what, it was great And when you're in

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Speaker 2: that moment, you know, as an athlete, you have to compete.

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Speaker 2: And that's the one thing that I I loved and

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Speaker 2: I missed that about sports is being able to compete,

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Speaker 2: to challenge someone and you win some, you lose some. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well the thing is that you accept the challenge. So

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Speaker 2: that's how I grew up. That was the era that

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Speaker 2: I grew.

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Speaker 3: Up in and I wouldn't have it any other way.

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Speaker 2: And as my kids would say, Dad, what were you thinking?

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Speaker 2: And that's it. I wasn't thinking. So but it made

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Speaker 2: it fun though, and those are great times. But I

547
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Speaker 2: got one winning for sure. There was one win, So.

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Speaker 3: That's more than Sherman Douglas anyway, that's all the counts.

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Speaker 5: But it's funny because you know, the last dance, I

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Speaker 5: thought it was a great documentary, but so many times

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Speaker 5: Michael just seemed to find anything any you know le.

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Speaker 3: Bradford Smith, there was that rumor about that.

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Speaker 5: You know, so you knew about this because you played

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Speaker 5: with him for what five four or five seasons?

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Speaker 3: I guess it was there. So when you're walking.

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Speaker 5: Off the court after you're talking trash to you, is

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Speaker 5: there a sober moment where you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: what have I done to my team here?

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Speaker 2: Well? No, I mean be honest with you, You're thinking,

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Speaker 2: I got shot. You know, I got a box, your chance,

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Speaker 2: and that's what it's all about, you know, that's you know,

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Speaker 2: you talk about it now you're like, man, what was

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Speaker 2: I really thinking about? But when you're in that moment,

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Speaker 2: you're like, you know, it's kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I would imagine when you're in a boxing match. All right,

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Speaker 2: this guy might be better than me, but with the right punt,

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Speaker 2: I might not the guy out. Why not go for it? Right?

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Speaker 2: You know? So yeah, but I was thinking, Okay, you

569
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Speaker 2: know what you're up against, you know your plan, and

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Speaker 2: you know the odds. But you got to play the

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Speaker 2: game and that's why you play. And those were those

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Speaker 2: were fun times from games, for fun moments of all

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Speaker 2: of us. And you never know, you know, we love upsets, right,

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Speaker 2: we love the underdog and why not take on the challenge.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let me ask you this because you obviously weren't

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Speaker 5: a part of the ninety six, seventy two and ten

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Speaker 5: Bulls who went on to win the you know, the

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Speaker 5: championship in Jordan's like second season. Which team I think

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Speaker 5: you're in a good position you're a qualified person to

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Speaker 5: answer this. Which team do you think was better than

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Speaker 5: the ninety six, seventy two and ten Bulls, all the

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Speaker 5: all the fifteen, sixteen, seventy.

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Speaker 3: Three, and nine worres.

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Speaker 5: Obviously the worst didn't win the championship, But in terms

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Speaker 5: of teams, you know, regular season teams, who do you

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Speaker 5: think was the better team.

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Speaker 2: Out of all six championships?

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Speaker 3: Just that just the seventy two and ten goals from

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Speaker 3: ninety six?

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Speaker 2: You know, I always I always say, you know, when

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Speaker 2: you're younger, because you're physically you're a kind of you're

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Speaker 2: you're you're you're in better with physical condition, and when

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Speaker 2: you're starting to go into the playoffs and you're moving

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Speaker 2: to that to that death and you're going deep into

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, you know, it just takes a toll on

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Speaker 2: your body. You know, experience you through a lot of times.

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Speaker 2: But I would say the when the year that Jordan

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Speaker 2: first came back, you know, he was he was magnificent.

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Speaker 2: He really was great. The team that won seventy two games,

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a great team. I think you

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Speaker 2: know what they were able to win clearly, you know

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Speaker 2: that's you know, that speaks for itself. But I would

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Speaker 2: say out of all the teams, I think probably the

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Speaker 2: first champions where the first run or the first team

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Speaker 2: in the ninety six I believe ninety six team was

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Speaker 2: probably he would be the team where they were probably

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Speaker 2: at their peak with that second group. So I would

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Speaker 2: say the ninety six team was probably the best team.

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Speaker 3: Right right.

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Speaker 5: Okay, this next guy, you yeah, you you had a

611
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Speaker 5: little bit of a rivalry with this team, but it

612
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Speaker 5: was sort of as your career began, the rivalry with

613
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Speaker 5: this team was on its way out. This guy was

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Speaker 5: a small forward year was Acquiet during their first championship

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Speaker 5: with Detroit. It was a big, big time scorer with

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Speaker 5: the Dallas Mavericks in the eighties, and then he joined

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Speaker 5: the Pistons in the in the eighty eight eighty nine season.

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Speaker 5: He picked up a couple of championships yeah, just j yeah.

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Speaker 3: Small forward, a small.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, yeah, oh man, big hands. Mark he

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Speaker 2: would come and then uh, you know, Mark was he

622
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Speaker 2: was a tough, tough guard for any player. And I

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Speaker 2: remember when he first came. You know, they had Adrian

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Speaker 2: Dantley that was there, and he was a tough guard

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Speaker 2: for US as well with Scotty as Scotty was a

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Speaker 2: young player back then, just kind of coming into his own.

627
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Speaker 2: But Mark Guire certainly was a you know, he he

628
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Speaker 2: was perhaps their best low post player, you know, at size.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was only about six five or so,

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Speaker 2: but he had big hands, he was strong and uh,

631
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Speaker 2: his lower extremities, he was very very strong, and he

632
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Speaker 2: utilized he utilized space. Well you know, he wasn't like

633
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Speaker 2: a high flyer, but he certainly uh you know he

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Speaker 2: he loves him bumping grind a little bit and uh

635
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Speaker 2: but he was a big time scorer, I mean All

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Speaker 2: Star for many years out there on the West Coast

637
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Speaker 2: and uh went there, won to COMA championships in Detroit,

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Speaker 2: and certainly he was a he was a tough opponent

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Speaker 2: for US and playing when he when he came to Detroit,

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Speaker 2: and you know, he was he was a really good

641
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Speaker 2: player Chicago. He grew up in Chicago, so he had

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Speaker 2: the Chicago toughness with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that?

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Speaker 5: What was it like in Chicago when you have Isaiah

645
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Speaker 5: who's from Chicago and maccas wise from Chicago, but they're

646
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Speaker 5: the enemy when they're playing Hugos.

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Speaker 3: What's it like the atmosphere that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, the funny thing is not I

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Speaker 2: don't know how many people know, but I'm from Detroit,

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Speaker 2: so I grew up. Yeah, I grew up in Detroit.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you had Isaiah, Mark Guire. Those guys

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Speaker 2: were from Chicago, and then I was from Detroit. So

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Speaker 2: you know what, once you step onto the court, you know,

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Speaker 2: you kind of forget all of that and uh, well,

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Speaker 2: what I do remember is that my family they were

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Speaker 2: rooting for me to do well, but they were always

657
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons fans, right, That's one of the things growing

658
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: up in Detroit. You are a Detroitor through and through,

659
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: so you know, I mean, you look, I mean I

660
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: got I got on my Tiger's hat right here right now,

661
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: So you know, those were those were fun times, very competitive.

662
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 4: Okay, awesome, Okay with his next guy, you had a

663
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 4: you guys had a pretty crazy series in ninety three

664
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: against this guy.

665
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 5: He had a pretty good series for the opponent. He

666
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 5: hit some big shots.

667
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: I think he hit the big I think he hit

668
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 4: the game seiler in Game three in Chicago, if I remember,

669
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: he hit a lot of threes. He was a big time.

670
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 4: He was an All Star a couple of times, shooting

671
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: God for the Phoenix Suns. Shooting God, Slash Dan Marley,

672
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 4: Dan Marley, Thunder.

673
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: There he is.

674
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Dan and I grew up together in Michigan. Wow.

675
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, So Dan is from way up north in Michigan.

676
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: Uh so I was well aware of thunder Dan back

677
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: in high school. Yeah, and went to Central I think

678
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: he went to Central Michigan. I believe Central Michigan University.

679
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: I think that's where he went to school. Yeah, so Dan,

680
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: I I remember Dan in high school, always a tough

681
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: player and went on to to really carve out a

682
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: career for himself as a defensive player. He was always

683
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: a big time scorer in high school and in college.

684
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 2: And really, you know, besides me becoming a good offensive player,

685
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: he's always a good offensive player. He became a really

686
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: good defensive player. So, yeah, I remember thunder Dan and

687
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: played against some in the finals one year when he

688
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: was with Phoenix Bulls, and those are some good matchups.

689
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know, the ninety three season for you,

690
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 5: you know, was a little bit different because you that

691
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 5: was the first year you started over John Paxson, so right,

692
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 5: you know, I know that this is probably like asking

693
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 5: which one of your kids is your favorite? But does

694
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 5: the ninety three championship mean a little bit more to

695
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 5: you because you played a bigger role and you had

696
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 5: a bigger responsibility than you did in ninety one and

697
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: ninety two.

698
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, on a personal level,

699
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: and looking back on it, I could, I could see that.

700
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: But nothing will ever top that first one, and the

701
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: very first one was there. It was an unknown, uncharted

702
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: territory for all of us, and I remember none of

703
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: us knew what the field, none of us knew how

704
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: to act, none of us knew what to do. We

705
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 2: were just all young and just happy to be there.

706
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: And so that first one was so fun because you know,

707
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: it was a first you know, we didn't care where

708
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: the game was going to be played. We just knew

709
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: we had a game and we were going to be

710
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: ready to play. So yeah, that very first one was

711
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: the one that all will always cheers more than any championship,

712
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: you know. I was fortunate to win three, yeah, but

713
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: that first one it was special because we were all

714
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: so we didn't even know how to celebrate. We didn't

715
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: know what to do, like we were just like sit

716
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: looking at each other. But those were great times.

717
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 3: I remember.

718
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 5: I think it's in that Sam Smith Sam Smith book

719
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 5: The Jordan Rules as well that after game won, you know,

720
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 5: there was obviously you know, a few guys a little

721
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 5: bit no Sam Perkins hit that big three to seal

722
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 5: the game, but Michael was apparently like, guys, we're gonna

723
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 5: win this, don't worry, and uh, you know again he

724
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: hadn't won a championship at that point, but he still

725
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 5: had that level of confidence where he's like, you know,

726
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 5: you almost get this one out of the way, and

727
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 5: now we just went and steamrolled the rest of them.

728
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: I not like Beau, that's some injury as well, but

729
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 5: really the fools after that game. I mean, I think

730
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 5: games three wins overtime, if I remember in LA, but

731
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: Jordan's said one of them, yeah, but Jordan seemed that

732
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 5: did that confidence.

733
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 4: Did you feel that confidence from Michael where he's like,

734
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 4: don't worry, guys, We've we've got this.

735
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think Michael was confident, but we

736
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: were a confident group, right, And you know when you

737
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: have a player like Michael and then you know Scotty,

738
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: you know it, it gives you the confidence because we

739
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: knew that we could come out there and do what

740
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: we had to do, you know, as a team, right,

741
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: it kind of gave us, you know, no matter what

742
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: was going on, we knew we were going to have

743
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: a player that could score. We knew we were gonna

744
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: have a player that could defend multiple positions, and now

745
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: it was just a matter of the role players figuring out,

746
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, where the shots were going to come from,

747
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: and having the confidence to go out there and execute.

748
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: So Michael was a very confident player. But we also

749
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: we had a player that could slow Magic Johnson down

750
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: a little bit, and that was really our confidence. You know.

751
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: The big thing to us in that series was really

752
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen being able to really just concentrate and slow

753
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: Magic down. You're not going to stop them, but we

754
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: had a player that could slow them down just enough

755
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: to allow us an opportunity to set our defense up

756
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: and with that, and of course Michael being relentless as

757
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: an offensive player and a defensive player in his own right,

758
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: we felt good about our chances. Even though we had

759
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: lost game one. We felt that we could do some

760
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: things better, kind of get over our nervous, our jitters

761
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: that we had in the finals for our very first time.

762
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: And then we went on to win four, you know,

763
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: four straight and back then it was played two three two,

764
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: So we won all three games there in La and eventually,

765
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: you know, won our first championship.

766
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 5: Is it is it true that your first trip to

767
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 5: the White House afterwards you banked in straight shots in

768
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 5: front of whilst wearing suspenders?

769
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: Is that right?

770
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: Have something like that, you know, believe it or not? Uh,

771
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: you know, I was. I felt pressure. You know, that's

772
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: probably the most pressure I've ever sought in my career. Right,

773
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: I'm shooting in the White House, cameras are rolling, and

774
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: I figure, you know, you know, back then I didn't

775
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: have kids, but I better like try to hold up

776
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: my reputation. You know, you don't want to go there

777
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: too bad. So I've made a key shots back then,

778
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: and uh, luckily they caught it on cameras, so it's

779
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: there and we know we can verify.

780
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: They called Tim Duncan the King of the Banker. But

781
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: I think you were ahead of you guy there, weren't

782
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: you really?

783
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was ahead of it, you know, I was.

784
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: I wasn't ahead of that then, Kim Dunkan totally, you know,

785
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: but what aim talking doing? But I get a key

786
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: shot back then.

787
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 5: I was watching that just the other day and I thought, man,

788
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 5: these guys got suspenders on as well, Like you don't

789
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 5: see that too many times when gone.

790
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that spending spenders now, you know,

791
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 6: so everything saw Taylor skinny teams, you know, back then

792
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 6: we had the spenders on it.

793
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so those were good and uh, that was my

794
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: first visits to the White House, so very memorable moment.

795
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: That's this.

796
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 5: I thought, maybe that was like you were paying off

797
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: one of those silly fines, you know, as as the.

798
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 4: Rookies and younger guys got like you know, because I

799
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 4: know that they would often, you know, like like in

800
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: every sport you try to you try to get the

801
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 4: younger guys they get it's easy to sort of trick

802
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: them a little bit.

803
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 5: And I thought maybe it was like, all right, you

804
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 5: have to wear our suspenders to the White House. But hey,

805
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 5: you made them rocked him. You made it look cool.

806
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: I made it. They threw me out there and they

807
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: didn't know what to expect. But luckily at least the

808
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: camera angle made him look like I made those.

809
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: Selective editing.

810
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, okay, this next guy was the was your

811
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 5: starting backcourt partner in the ninety four All Star Game.

812
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: I Lefty out of out of where did he come out?

813
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech Lefty.

814
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: Kenny And there you go.

815
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: Jims, mister Chips oh Man man who he was.

816
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: You know, he's one of New York's finers, you know,

817
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: he was. He can really he can. As we said,

818
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: he could pack that thing in a little bit and

819
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: he could he could really get out and he could

820
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 2: score the path he was. He was a tough guard,

821
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: you know, he was really quick and he was left handed,

822
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: so it made it. Really he was tough to he

823
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: was tough to play against. You know, had some great

824
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: years up there in New Jersey, him and Derrick Coleman. Yeah,

825
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: just remember those guys from Syracuse. Actually he's a Detroiter

826
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: as well. But Kenny Anderson. Man, he's tough. I think

827
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: he's coaching now. I can't remember where. I think some

828
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: school in Atlanta, but he's coaching, and uh, you know,

829
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: he was a really great player.

830
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: I think it's in Nashville. I think it's Fisk University.

831
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: I think. Okay, yeah, yeah, he's coaching somewhere.

832
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: But whoops, are we still there?

833
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm still here. I'm here. I'm not leaving. I'm

834
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: not leaving. All right.

835
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 3: Well, it's good.

836
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 5: We've only got a couple to go here, so so

837
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: this should be good and funny you just mentioned this guy.

838
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 5: I think he also started in the ninety four All

839
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 5: Star Game. Kenny Anderson's teammate from the New Jersey Nets,

840
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 5: A big guy out of Detroit.

841
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 3: He went on to play with you. Yeah, did you

842
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: guys play together in Charlotte?

843
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: We played together in Charlotte and uh, and we grew

844
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: up together. I'm a little older than Derek, about three

845
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: or four years older than Derek. And quick story about Derek.

846
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: I remember when I can I can still remember when

847
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: I first saw Derek a high school. We were playing

848
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: and I had came home from college and we were

849
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: playing at this gym. Uh, in Detroit and one of

850
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: is probably not the best player at the time in

851
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: the city of Detroit. Where was the late Roy Tarper.

852
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: They played for University of Michigan, played for Dallas. I

853
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: think he was six Man of the Year for Dallas

854
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: and he was a big time score and uh, you know,

855
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: he was just he was he was very skilled, six

856
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: ten six eleven or so. And uh there was this

857
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: young kid, young skinny kid from Detroit who came in

858
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: and was just playing out of his mind. And everyone

859
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: was like, who is this kid? And they was like, oh,

860
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: that's DC. And he was like a freshman in high

861
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: school and he held his own. Yeah, And Derek was

862
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: an incredibly gifted player. He's very talented. I mean he

863
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: was shooting threes and he could he put it on

864
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: the floor, he could asked, he had big hands, had

865
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: a post game, had a little nastiness to him down

866
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: there in the post. And amazing player and one of

867
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: the best. And he's one of the you know, one

868
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: of the best people that I've met in this business.

869
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: And we're still friends to this day. He's still living

870
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: up there in Detroit. And uh, what a great, great talent.

871
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: You know. I always say, him and Rashid Wallace were

872
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: two of the most talented players I've seen, uh playing

873
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: in the game. And back then that at that power

874
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: forward position, right, you had guys like Karl Malone that

875
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, Charles Barkley, you mean Duncan, I mean you

876
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: just had that powerhoor position was a really a big

877
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: time position. But this Derrick Coleman was as good as

878
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: any of those guys, not better as far as talent,

879
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: and he was a big time player.

880
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 5: I think, uh, I think he's I think if this

881
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 5: is true, Shack says that Derek Coleman's one of only

882
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 5: two guys who ever dunked on him.

883
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 3: I remember, I think it was Shock in his rookie season.

884
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Derek was, he was. Derek was a Hall

885
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: of Fame talent. He was a Hall of Fame talent.

886
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: He was. He was big time. I remember he was

887
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: shooting threes back in the nineties. He was, he was

888
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: doing that. You know, he was doing that before we

889
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: knew what a stretch for was. He was a big time.

890
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was a bit like Mark mcgui.

891
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 5: He had a little bit more of a caboose as well,

892
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 5: that he could move guys out the way.

893
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 2: You know when I first met when I first met

894
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: d C. When I tell you he was thin, he

895
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: was thin. Oh but he was. He was thin, and

896
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: he was very athletic, very athletic, and uh you know

897
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: he was he was big time, big time, big times

898
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: that he was one of the best. He but perhaps

899
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: maybe the best talent to come out of the city

900
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: of Detroit. Wow, I hold him in that regard. Well,

901
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: he was a big guy.

902
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was a number one pick and he and

903
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 5: I mean he averaged basically twenty and ten as soon

904
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 5: as he entered the leap.

905
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: He do that in his sleep. He do that. He

906
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: do that in his sleep. And very very special player.

907
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: Okay, we're up to the.

908
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 5: Last one here, and it's a good one because I'm

909
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 5: pretty sure you would have battled directly against this guy,

910
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 5: especially when he was with the New York Knicks. He

911
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 5: was there point guard, uh not necessarily their starting point guard,

912
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 5: but he was a left hander, he was a bit

913
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 5: of a shooter. He ended up playing for the Bulls.

914
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 5: Letter in his career, played for the Vancouver Grizzlies. Greg Anthony, yeah.

915
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: Greg number fifty. You know there is Greg Ben Yeah

916
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 2: he uh you know Greg. I just remember on Greg

917
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: when he first started. Somehow we ran across each other

918
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: when he was at the University of Portland, I want

919
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: to say that's where he started before he transferred to

920
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: the UNLV. Yeah, being with the UNLV and uh, yeah,

921
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: he was a tough, tough little player, you know. I

922
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: mean Greg was very tough. Always had great battles with Greg.

923
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: And you know, his son will be a lottery pick

924
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: this year. You know Cole Anthony and you know he

925
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: does a terrific job on television. He really does a job.

926
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: I think he does for CBS. I know he does

927
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: a lot of things for college basketball and he worked

928
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: for NBA TV. Does a really nice job. But uh,

929
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: you know, great player, tough player, play, very physical for

930
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: his size and never you know, Greg was always one

931
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: of those guys that was always in the skirmish. You know,

932
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: it was always on the skirmish and whenever there was

933
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: something would break out, and when New York and Chicago,

934
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: because we would always do something, we would ally always

935
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: grab each other and say we got to make it

936
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: look good for the film. So you know, to the

937
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: little guys, we would always grab each other because you

938
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: know what I didn't want to grab those big guys.

939
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: He didn't want to grab those big guys. And we

940
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: make sure we look for each other. Where is my guy,

941
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: Greg DJ? We made it look good for the film,

942
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: but a great guy done a marvelous job there with

943
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: television and uh in his second career that but that

944
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: again like it.

945
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: You know, you must have had some some really tough

946
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 5: battles against those guys. But you know, once once your

947
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 5: career ends, everyone just sort of has a few beers

948
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 5: and laughs about it and uh and talks about how

949
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 5: much fun it was because you know, I remember, you know,

950
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: Nicks and the Bulls, like every time they played it

951
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 5: seemed like someone was getting into it with someone. You know,

952
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 5: in those days, you know, you don't that part of

953
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 5: the game. Yeah, you don't see so much of that anymore.

954
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 5: It feels like, you know, like then it was just

955
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 5: like every time someone like Xavier McDaniel when he joined

956
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 5: the Knicks, you know he was getting into it.

957
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: Of course is the big one, the Jojo English and

958
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: Derek harper Wan.

959
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: You know, I don't remember what year that was, but

960
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 4: you know, there was always that tension and robbery that

961
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 4: it was almost like part of the game was there

962
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 4: was going to be some sort of dust up.

963
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: It was always something and you expected it. You know. That.

964
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: The thing is that I look back at all those

965
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: games and that time, you know, it was just that's

966
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: how we played. You know, I didn't know any different

967
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: and never thought twice about it. You know, when you

968
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: drove to the basket, you knew Charles Oakley was going

969
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: to be there to preach it, right, and you know

970
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, you got hit, but you

971
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: didn't want to show any pain. Right, you go to

972
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: the basket and you just do. Those guys are just

973
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: going to claver you, right. You know, you just knew it.

974
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: But that was that was how the game is played,

975
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: and every team played that way, and especially when you're

976
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: trying to win a championship. You know, that was the

977
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: mentality of how you played and what personal just it

978
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: was just that was the game. And I look back

979
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: on those times that I go, I don't know how

980
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: I survived it. I was probably one hundred and seventy

981
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: five pounds soaking.

982
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 7: Wet at the time, and but somehow I got through it,

983
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 7: you know. And whenever it was the fight though, I

984
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 7: was looking for Greg and Greg was looking for me.

985
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 7: We always made carried because we were about to the

986
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 7: two smallest guys on the team.

987
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: And you know, those of those guys, you know, the

988
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: late Anthony Mason and Daviy McDaniel. Yeah, I mean, those

989
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: guys are just they're they're just huge, and they were

990
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: looking to just knock off guys like me, you know,

991
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: just because they could. Yeah. I mean those are great,

992
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: great games and very competitive. When I see the guys,

993
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: we have a lot of laughs and uh, but those

994
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: very physical games, for sure, I guess.

995
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 5: I guess you know, going up against Greg Anthony's almost

996
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: like wrestling with your brother or something like that.

997
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: You're like, you know, you're gonna you know, you're not

998
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: gonna hurt each other too much. It's more just like,

999
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 3: all right, let's just do this for the show.

1000
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Those are very competitive and uh,

1001
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: you know Pat Riley and Phil Jackson and just New

1002
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: York Chicago. So that was a great moment.

1003
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 5: They would rivals themselves, weren't they, Pat and uh and

1004
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 5: Phil Jackson because the were teammates back in the day.

1005
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're talking about he's talking about Hall

1006
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: of Fame coaches, right, So you're talking about the chess

1007
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: match that was going on between Pat and Phil and

1008
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: you know the adjustment that was made. You had Patrick

1009
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: Ewing and you know Bill cart Right and Scottie and

1010
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: Michael and you know we just had it was just

1011
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: those those were really very special moments because, yeah, you

1012
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: didn't like those guys, those guys didn't like you, but

1013
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: make it, make no doubt about it, there was a

1014
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: mutual respect.

1015
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that we have on one another.

1016
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And whenever we're all together, there's a lot of

1017
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: trash talking, for sure, but it's all a lot of

1018
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: respect and love and there's a lot of love for

1019
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: those teams and what they were able to ACCLII and uh,

1020
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: we were very fortunate to you know, win, you know

1021
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: when we came out of those series. But make no

1022
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: doubt about those are very special teams up there in

1023
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: New York.

1024
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, people always though it.

1025
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 4: You know, like if you think of the nineties, like

1026
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 4: Giles and Reggie Miller and Patrick Huan, a couple of

1027
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 4: guys you know, could have won a championship or two,

1028
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 4: but Michael sort of gotten away. But it doesn't take

1029
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: away from just how special all those players were and

1030
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 4: how great they were, but it was just Michael always

1031
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: seemed to get the last love in which its incredible.

1032
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 4: It's incredible, but again it doesn't take away from how

1033
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 4: good those go. But bj this has been great, so

1034
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: much fun having you on. Thanks a lot.

1035
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 3: This is yeah.

1036
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 5: I love I love going down memory lane and hearing

1037
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 5: about the stories about.

1038
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: What shirt you were in there. I see it look

1039
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: like a bull's jersey. There. What you got on there?

1040
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: It is a bulls Wow, oh twenty three? There you go.

1041
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, and I've got I've got another one

1042
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: here too. You know you probably recognize the colors of

1043
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: that one as well there for you.

1044
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, Charlotte, there you go. Yeah.

1045
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: I tried. I tried.

1046
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 4: I tried to get a bj Armstrong shirt just before

1047
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 4: we did this, but unfortunately I couldn't try. You got it?

1048
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: You got to go to my good friends over there

1049
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: at Mitchell and Nuts. You know those are the guys.

1050
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: They'll tell you.

1051
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: You got to go get Mitchell and Nest there and uh,

1052
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: we'll get to you a bj Armstrong jersey. Yeah.

1053
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you went back to Chicago that you weren't

1054
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 3: number ten?

1055
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1056
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 3: Did you wear number eleven.

1057
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: No, I wore number eleven because they retired. Bob Love

1058
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: had retired. Attend the jersey right that was there. So

1059
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get them to retire. Campaign all right,

1060
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna do it, but maybe my good

1061
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: friends would do it. Yeah, start a campaign to retire

1062
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: the number twenties. You know, I want to retire the

1063
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: number twice, you.

1064
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: Know, why not? Why not?

1065
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 5: But thanks again, BJ, This has honestly been so much fun.

1066
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 5: All the best for you know, the rest of well

1067
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 5: whatever whatever we have this season, and keep going with

1068
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 5: pushing through the part. I know it's a great podcast.

1069
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 5: You've started Day we Take.

1070
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: I've seen you've had some great guests on there too,

1071
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 3: and this has been a lot of fun.

1072
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and we definitely got to get you on.

1073
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: Appreciate it and hopefully you have me back we'll have

1074
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: some more fun and appreciate it. Thanks, This was a

1075
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: lot of fun anytime, Bjay.

1076
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: Thanks man.