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Speaker 1: At least, is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lollie. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and well it's a Wednesday here in

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and nice Wednesday out there. Yeah, getting closer and

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Speaker 2: closer to the NFL meetings this weekend. Of course, our schedule,

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Speaker 2: we'll have an extra bonus day of the Drive on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: You don't get us on Sunday very often. How about

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Speaker 2: that you also get some bonus hours. Apparently next week

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Speaker 2: we're going to go from two to five. Well, we'll

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Speaker 2: have a three hour show show three hour show Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then Wednesday we're back in Pittsburgh. So lots of

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Speaker 2: stuff that's going to be.

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Speaker 3: Light issue or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully hopefully, but yeah, so we'll have that. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about the some of the

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Speaker 2: proposed rule changes from the Competition Committee. The only offered

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Speaker 2: up two suggestions.

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Speaker 3: No, that's all I got that far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but Russell Wilson, the uh, what's the news

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Speaker 2: of the this and era has ended in Pittsburgh. Has

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Speaker 2: happened the last night after our show was over, that

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Speaker 2: Russ is taking his talents to in New York with

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Speaker 2: the Giants.

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Speaker 3: So start with the Steelers spin. But I want to

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Speaker 3: talk Giants with you too on this one. This is

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Speaker 3: great new to Steeler fans. I mean in some ways,

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Speaker 3: I mean assuming Rogers or somebody else's in place, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I do think it was Rogers, But who knows

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Speaker 3: that the musical chairs that kind of stopped.

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson doesn't sign with the Giants unless the Steelers

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Speaker 2: told him they were out. I assume that happened, which

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Speaker 2: leads me to the believe, believe that the Steelers know

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Speaker 2: what Aaron Rodgers' intentions are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and even further, maybe Wilson wouldn't even be the

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Speaker 3: number two if Rogers backs out or whatever. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but I assume Rogers is going.

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Speaker 2: To because Russell Wilson wanted to turn to Pittsburgh. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is where he wanted to be, the better situation

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Speaker 2: than what he was going to, that's for sure. So

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Speaker 2: why it's good news is I think probably we get

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Speaker 2: some sort of Rogers answer sooner than later.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think anybody's in any rush on either side.

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Speaker 3: But the beauty of it is the comp game still.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not an expert, but these comp people experts.

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Speaker 3: As it stands now, from what I understand, the Steelers

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Speaker 3: are set up to get a third, two fourths and

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Speaker 2: Russ is a five.

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Speaker 2: So because it's a one year deal, the base salary

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Speaker 2: is like ten and a half, ten and a half games.

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Speaker 2: He can go up to twenty one if he hits.

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Speaker 3: I think he can go. What I said of three,

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Speaker 3: two fours and a six, which is not an exact science,

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Speaker 3: I think that's the minimum. I think it could go

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Speaker 3: even higher.

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Speaker 2: Over the cap is saying a three four for Fields,

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Speaker 2: a five for Wilson, and a six for James Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Okay, us them. They know they're the best at there's

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Speaker 3: no question. And I knew no Wilson couldn't get better

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Speaker 3: if he hits. The incentives and all that good.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, play time stuff, yeah, those guys.

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Speaker 3: And you're only allowed to get four picks, right, folks,

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Speaker 3: So thirds the highest round you can get. You could

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Speaker 3: get four thirds. I mean, if it's that crazy, if

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Speaker 3: an offseason. But you only allowed four picks. But that's

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's you know, all the mock drafts we

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Speaker 2: do and if you threw in a three, four, five,

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Speaker 3: Every day, trade up possibilities and trade one for next year,

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Speaker 3: and you know, attack needs quarterback. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: it sets up really well. And I'm not just brushing

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Speaker 3: away the next three hundred days. I mean I think

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Speaker 3: they're a better football team with Rogers and Metcalf than

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Speaker 3: they have so much cap space still but especially next year,

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Speaker 3: and they have all these picks. You know, like they're

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Speaker 3: more than a year or two. Big picture doesn't exist

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Speaker 4: Know what I mean? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it really has become a year to

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Speaker 2: got to keep turning the roster. And I don't care, well,

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Speaker 2: really don't know. You find the guy I would say,

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Speaker 2: who did you want to keep so bad?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was a big thing I got here

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Speaker 3: in today. It was like, who are you so broken hearted?

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Speaker 3: Of those five that are no longer in black and gold?

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Speaker 3: everyone gets old.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm on the record. I based on what or

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Speaker 2: how the Steelers roster is currently constructed with those two

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Speaker 2: big outside receivers, I thought Russell Wilson would be the

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Speaker 2: better fit for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that part of it, for that part of it.

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Speaker 2: But if they're going to adjust the offense for Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers more over the middle and do those kind of things, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I get because Metcalf can do that, Pickens can do that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, guys can run over the middle.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. And I actually went back yesterday and just

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Speaker 3: and frankly, there's just a lot more over the middle

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Speaker 3: stuff with Rogers. It's not even close. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: a totally different areas of the field that he attacks

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Speaker 3: that's not the only difference, but it's a major one.

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Speaker 3: So I think this is great news with Steelers Giants.

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Speaker 3: I see if you think the same thing. I took

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Speaker 3: away two things by this signing, considering they already had

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Speaker 3: Winston in tow well three things, they've no chance to

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Speaker 3: get the one to forward, right, I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: that that the writing's on the wall there. Either they

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Speaker 3: no chance there, and or they've come to the conclusion

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Speaker 3: we're not going to take Sanders over Hunter or Carter

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Speaker 3: because those guys are just better prospects. And I bet

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Speaker 3: that's the case where. I mean, I think the more

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Speaker 3: I watch Hunter, the more I think he's by far

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Speaker 3: they're I mean standards a fine prospets, which.

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Speaker 2: Is why the Browns are going to do that.

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Speaker 3: And the Browns might do that. Yeah, So I bet

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Speaker 3: get back in and if they don't, they got two

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Speaker 3: professional calls. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The thing is though. I mean, if you look at

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Speaker 2: the draft order, I don't know that they would necessarily

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Speaker 3: I mean they're early in the second of course too.

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Speaker 3: Sanders falls till seventeen, or if he's not an early

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Speaker 3: team trying to go get him or Dart. I don't

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Speaker 3: know how aggress you have to be either, but I

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Speaker 3: would think that they're not one hundred done the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But they can be. They can't be. They've got to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: two competent guys. It's going to be pretty much like

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Speaker 2: what the Steelers have set themselves up, you know, by

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Speaker 2: signing Mason Rudolph in assuming that you also then get

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Looking at round two, they have this, they have the

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Speaker 2: second round. If the Browns take Shador Sanders, yeah at

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Speaker 2: two and Tennessee takes War, somebody else would have to

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Speaker 2: first round. Tennessee going to do it. No, they just

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Speaker 2: took War.

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Speaker 3: He'll be all aboard.

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville's at thirty six. They're not going to do it. No, Raiders,

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Speaker 2: the Raiders at thirty seven.

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Speaker 3: Could There's teams like Raiders Jets that I could see

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Speaker 2: But they would have that would be a pretty big

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Speaker 2: going to want to move back to thirty seven.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And you might have to give up next year's first

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Speaker 3: Oh, I can see the Giants given up too much

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Speaker 2: Mon Yeah, you know, whereas the Giants at thirty four,

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Speaker 2: and let's say let's say Buffalo did it last year.

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Speaker 2: Let's say Buffalo would to do it again. Well, you're

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Speaker 3: I say Buffalo went to thirty two or thirty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was as opposed to dropping back to thirty seven.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots aren't making that move. They're at thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: At thirty nine is Chicago, They're not making that move. No, No,

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Speaker 2: New Orleans is at forty. They could do it, They

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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing is I think we're going to

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Speaker 3: see even more mocks of Jackson Dart going twenty one

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Speaker 2: Nobody in Pittsburgh is mocking that, by the way. It's

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Speaker 2: all the out side people.

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Speaker 3: But maybe the Giants look at it like, well, if

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Speaker 3: we get to twenty, we'll get our guy.

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Speaker 2: Everything. As you mentioned, all with the compensatory picks, everything

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Speaker 2: if you take one in the fourth round, you take one,

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Speaker 2: even in the third round. Fine, yeah, yeah, not first anything, right, No,

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Speaker 2: not in the first next year set next year sets

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Speaker 3: Not because next year is a better quarterback class. I

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Speaker 3: don't even know. I mean everyone says it is. I

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Speaker 3: don't think this is the best quarterback class I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: But they've loaded up on ammunition that's to be able

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Speaker 2: to make that move to get into the top ten,

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Speaker 2: if you want to do that.

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Speaker 3: I have so focused on that in the last twenty

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Speaker 3: four hours since we've been together that I know we

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Speaker 3: have labs coming up. It's going to be a much

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Speaker 3: longer conversation. But I want to set this team up

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Speaker 3: and I have a lot of ideas of how to

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Speaker 3: do it, of how can they provide a wonderful nest

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Speaker 3: for the guy that they attack in next year your draft.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's say the Steelers end up picking twenty

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Speaker 3: getting to you don't have to get to one, right,

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Speaker 2: You every one you like the best. Yeah, and if

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Speaker 2: The Raiders aren't. They could be one. The Jets could

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Speaker 3: Let alone being in striking distance. Right, Like the Rams

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Speaker 2: They would have to move. I mean, they would be

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Speaker 2: And the beauty of the entire situation they gave up

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Speaker 2: You gave up a sixth round pick for Justin Fields

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean you can't do that every year.

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Speaker 2: But it was, it was, It was a genius move

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Speaker 3: It means your draft tackles. Because Dan Moore's worth twenty

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Speaker 2: But doing things like that allows you to trade a

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Speaker 3: And I think they looked at it like, I don't

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Speaker 2: Now you've got a twenty seven year old receiver instead

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to the Drive, the Tomb the Crypt.

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Speaker 2: On the Justin Miller hot Line, we have Bob Labriola,

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Speaker 2: the Dean of Doom, the lord of living in his fears.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Labs?

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Speaker 4: That's more crip keeper, But you know, hey, I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you what I was prepared for you guys that if

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Speaker 3: Justin's on it. That was news to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, kudos to Justin because I know he's the one

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Speaker 2: So Bob, the Competition Committee today in addition to recommending

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Speaker 2: to happen. They want to add some checks in balances

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00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 2: to the officiating crews, and they didn't hear that. They

442
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:13,439
Speaker 2: want to make replay. They've they've recommended expanding replay system

443
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 2: to allow the overturning of certain penalties called based on

444
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: specific objective aspects of the play, which would include hits

445
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,639
Speaker 2: on defenseless player, face mask, horse collar tackles, tripping or

446
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 2: running into the kicker, things like that. So they're not

447
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 2: necessari they're not going to call them from the up above.

448
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 2: But if it's called and it wasn't that they would

449
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 2: have they would replay would have the ability to overturn

450
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 2: that call. Yay or nay on that?

451
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 4: For you, Bob, Well, that sounds to me a little

452
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 4: bit like what Replay assists was supposed to be last year, right, Yeah.

453
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 2: And.

454
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 4: It's nice in theory, you know, I mean, but again,

455
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 4: you know, we're we continue the league continues to put

456
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 4: a band aid on the flesh wound, and you know, again,

457
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 4: it just seems more layers of the same kind of

458
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 4: thing that brought us replay and all the problems associated

459
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 4: with that. I mean, you know whatever. Uh. I guess

460
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 4: maybe if someone would want to look at it optimistically

461
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 4: and praise the league for trying to you know, trying

462
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 4: to get it right. Okay, but you know, I I

463
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 4: truly believe that the way to do it is better officials,

464
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 4: you know, uh, And eliminate the replay and all of

465
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 4: that stuff, because that just makes in my opinion, officials tentative.

466
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 4: A lot of times they either call things or don't

467
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 4: call things because they know that if they all the

468
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 4: more don't call them a certain way, replay will be

469
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 4: there automatically to back them up. And you know, again

470
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 4: I've said this on your show, I believe this for

471
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 4: a long time. Treat officials like players in this sense.

472
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 4: You draft them quote unquote young, teach them, develop them,

473
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 4: and then when they get to thirty, maybe their early thirties,

474
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 4: then they're too old, get somebody else, get a new

475
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 4: batch in. And that's kind of the way I see it.

476
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 4: But hey, it's I don't know. I'm just skeptical that

477
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 4: this is really going to fix the problem. Again, I

478
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 4: just think that they continue to try. And you know,

479
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 4: here's another thing too. You know, teams and coaches have

480
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: to get it through their heads that there are going

481
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 4: to be mistakes. Coaches make mistakes, players make mistakes, Officials

482
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 4: can make mistakes. Overcome it and move on this idea

483
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 4: that every call has to be correct. It's just it's

484
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: not real.

485
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: It's just not well what.

486
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: I would like to see though Bob is a little

487
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: more openness in terms of some of these things, like

488
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: we have press conferences. The coaches have to answer for

489
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: their mistakes. Players have to answer when they make a mistake.

490
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: But you have to you have to go with bended

491
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: knee and ask, sir, might we talk to you about

492
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: this mistake that was made or what what were you

493
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: thinking on this particular thing? And then you get the

494
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 2: next day, even if you don't get the official review

495
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: of why what happened, you get the talking heads who

496
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: go on their shows the next day and say, well

497
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 2: they made the right call.

498
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: Everybody looking at it, player questions them, then they get fined,

499
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: and then.

500
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: If the player, player gets fine. But these I just

501
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: have carte blanche to just do whatever they want and

502
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: nobody ever gets a chance to say what were you

503
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: thinking on that or what was the thought process there?

504
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: Unless again you get a pull reporter and and nobody

505
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: wants to do that necessarily, and you have to request it,

506
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: and then they have to acquiesce if such said request.

507
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: And it's just I think that process needs to be

508
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: changed a little bit. And just okay, we here were

509
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: the five calls during the game that that we're controversial.

510
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about all five of them, and

511
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: this is what we were thinking. I don't even I

512
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: don't even care if they take any questions.

513
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: You're not saying put them at the podium after every

514
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: game or anything.

515
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: Give me an explanation of why that call was made.

516
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 4: Well, my response to that is good luck with that.

517
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: Well, I know it's not going to happen, right, never.

518
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 4: Going to happen. And you know, the legs Association, I'll

519
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: use that word with gambling now, you know you almost

520
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 4: can't do that. You know, for example, like I was

521
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 4: watching some NCAA basketball this tournament since it began last

522
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: week ago tomorrow, and you're watching the telecast, and they

523
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: introduced the players and the coaches, and then they would

524
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 4: put up and they show them on camera. Then they

525
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 4: would mention the officials. Never showed you their faces while

526
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 4: they were listing their names. And you know, I'm not

527
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that they should have. I'm saying my

528
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 4: opinion is they can't. You can't expose those people. I

529
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: don't think.

530
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, though, everybody knows who the referees are,

531
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: who the heads of every crew are. That's no secret.

532
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys are.

533
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: On they not know what they look like.

534
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: They're on TV though constantly because every time there's a call,

535
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, and so you know, you know who these

536
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: guys are. You know what Ron Torbert looks like.

537
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he doesn't he's not the guy who necessarily

538
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 4: made the call.

539
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: I understand that, but he's part of the process of

540
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: of why the call that, Like they trust me as

541
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: you well know, they have a conference pretty much after

542
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: every call.

543
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: Are you insinuating? Like the anonymity is so their car

544
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: doesn't bomb blow up afterwards or that, you know what

545
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: I mean?

546
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, yeah, you don't think there would be

547
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 4: whackos who lost money on him? Better?

548
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: You know, kids can't go to school the next day

549
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: or you know.

550
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, that kind of stuff. I mean, you know,

551
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 4: so I just you know, the thing to me is

552
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 4: there should be some acceptance. And the TV networks are

553
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 4: complicit as well.

554
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: They are they.

555
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 4: Put absolutely complicitly, they put those guys on.

556
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: They pay these guys millions of dollars to come on

557
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: there and talk about every single call it's made.

558
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 4: Well, not only that, though, I mean, you know, fifty

559
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 4: angles in super slow motion, I mean in my opinion,

560
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 4: if you're going to talk about officiating, it should run

561
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: in real time. Now tell me what it is.

562
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: Right, the human's not going to keep up with the

563
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 2: fifty angles, right. Well, not only that, officials one angle

564
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: with what you call frame by frameman.

565
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 4: Now whether a foot is in bounds or not, or

566
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: you know, is the toe touching the white line or

567
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: is did it the heel hit the black before it

568
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: got to the white. I mean, they can do that

569
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: frame by frame, and again that's not that's not how

570
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: it's originally adjudicated. And so, you know, it just seems

571
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: the way the game has evolved in terms of the

572
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 4: complexity of it, the speed of it, the rules, I mean,

573
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: how can anybody even know all those rules, let alone

574
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: be able to interpret them in game speed, split second

575
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 4: and be right all the time. You know, it's it's

576
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: it's just not realistic. And you know, I don't know,

577
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: I don't know what the answer is. I really don't.

578
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 4: I know that for example, in baseball or even NBA

579
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 4: or college basketball, you don't get a chance to interview

580
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: those guys after every game or have them speak every game.

581
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, the umpire doesn't talk to the media, right I

582
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: mean no strike, Why did you call the ball? Or

583
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: you know?

584
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and I mean balls and strikes.

585
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: There's no arguing balls and strikes. That's the first thing

586
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: when i'm when i'm when I umpire and we're having

587
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: our home plate meeting, I'm like, look, you want to

588
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: you want to come out and ask about a ruling

589
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: on something all time out, Come on out and ask.

590
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: As long as you're not screaming and yelling at me,

591
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: you're fine. You want to start arguing balls or strikes.

592
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: You're not going to be here to be here forever, right,

593
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: You're not going to be well, I'll be here. I

594
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: will not tolerate that. I've got a much better angle

595
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: on this than you do coaching.

596
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: Your leg Yeah.

597
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now you know with baseball you can just

598
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: do the A, B S.

599
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

600
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: And you know it's like the tennis thing. Balls are

601
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 4: in or out. They showed to you right away. Uh,

602
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: there's no there's no such possibility for that mechanism being

603
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: put into practice in the NFL, though. I just I

604
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 4: don't see how that could be, because you know, the

605
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 4: home plate is static. You know, the the strike zone

606
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: may change a little bit by individual batter, but home

607
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: plate is static. So even trying to use AI or

608
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 4: you know, chips and ball or you know, for first downs,

609
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: I mean that that's constantly moving. You know, you don't

610
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: have a situation where you know, the line to gain

611
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: is always the same line. Okay, now let's try and

612
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: figure out did the ball cross that line? Was the

613
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: knee down first? You know, those kind of things, because

614
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: the line is constantly moving too. So you know, I'll

615
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 4: admit I'm way not smart enough to figure out how

616
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: that could even work or how you would even try

617
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: to write you know, the software for that, what that's

618
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: going to cost and do you can you not afford to?

619
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: But you know, the based on the different configurations of

620
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 4: the stadiums and how many games are on at the

621
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: same time, and how many games are being played per weekend,

622
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: you know, is it even feasible? So that's why, you know,

623
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 4: I believe that you got to have You've got to

624
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 4: try and do a better job of originally picking people

625
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 4: and the thought process or the hope that technology is

626
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: going to fix all this, I think technology makes it worse.

627
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: Libs, I love what you said earlier. Sorry, good, no, no,

628
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: that's golhead I love how you phrase it, like we

629
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: should talk about refs like players. I mean, maybe they're

630
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: not a draft, but I mean certainly, when you get

631
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: laid into your thirties into your forties, you're probably not

632
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: as sharp at your job. And it's a very difficult

633
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: thing to see move all those type of things or

634
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: reevaluate them every year.

635
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: You know.

636
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: But one thing I've been asked a lot. I don't

637
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: give this guy thinks he can run a six second

638
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: forty by the way, anyway, One thing I don't have

639
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: a strong opinion on is I get asked all the

640
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: time should refs be full time? And I'm like, I

641
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: guess they'd be better at their job, but you'd lose

642
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: some good ones that have a insurance company on the side.

643
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: And really, what would a full time ref do at

644
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: Wednesday at eleven a m. You know, I mean the

645
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: in the off season, right right. I mean, I don't

646
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: understand what you gain by making them full time.

647
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 4: And you know another thing that I just don't understand

648
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: is and this is a procedural thing, and it's been

649
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: like this as long as you know. I've been doing this,

650
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 4: the notion that fall spotting should be done by the

651
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: same guys who start to play at the line of

652
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 4: scrimmage right right, who thought that was a good idea?

653
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: Or you know, he comes running in from forty yards

654
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: away to STU.

655
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: He's guessing, he's guessing.

656
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: I still laugh at the change, though my grandkids are

657
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: gonna laugh that they ran out with his ten ten

658
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: yard chain. Two dudes do that all day.

659
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: I think that's still there is some charm to it, though.

660
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: Sure, uh and but.

661
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: Again, yes, it's it's it's ridiculous. But as I said,

662
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: you know, I just the to me, the notion that

663
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: more technology is going to solve it, to me, is

664
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: the exact opposite of the reality.

665
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: Well they could They could fix that whole chain thing

666
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: by just saying that. I mean, you've got yard markers

667
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: on the field, so every time you pass a yard

668
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: marker you get a new first down. Every time you

669
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: get every a ten yard marker, I should say, okay,

670
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: just get rid of that all together and.

671
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: Bring out the index cards and all the nonsense.

672
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: Either, maybe even if they start to drive it the

673
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: thirty two, you got to get to the forty to

674
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: get a new first down, and then from there you

675
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: got to get to the fifty and then from fifty

676
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: to back to the forth.

677
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying over the white lines. Okay,

678
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: I don't want first and six.

679
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: So you're changing it from first and ten to first

680
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 4: and whatever. First.

681
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: If it's if you get, you take it. You get

682
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: possession at the twenty four. You got first and six

683
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: to start your first drive.

684
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: I don't like it at all.

685
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: The game would leave the game something.

686
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: I just I just thought of it right now as

687
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: we're sitting here. It was the first time that.

688
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: So like quarter O Patterson should go out at the

689
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: twenty four yard line. He said, twenty five yard line.

690
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: No, why would you do that because you're still getting

691
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: the first down to the thirty.

692
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: You got to be first and six.

693
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: Set of first and five, you'll be first ten because

694
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: you get to a white line.

695
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: No ten, Well, the twenty nine, not the thirty. You'd

696
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: still want to get to the thirty. I don't like that.

697
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a solution.

698
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: I'm just spit I'm just spitball. We're throwing ideas around here,

699
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: that's all.

700
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. Anybody who ever told you there's no such thing

701
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: as a bad idea, it was lying.

702
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: That's what we do here, Bob, We throw ideas out

703
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: there a lot of time to kill.

704
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: Yeah right, That's what I said talk shows.

705
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: So, Bob, Russell Wilson signs with the with the New

706
00:34:54,719 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: York Football Giants yesterday, ending his one year ten or

707
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: here looks like the Steelers will get a compensatory pick

708
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: in return for that when those are announced next year.

709
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: Your your thoughts on the one year tenure of Russell

710
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: Wilson as the Steelers starting quarterback.

711
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, if the Steelers, let me say it

712
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: this way, if the Steelers do end up signing a

713
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: veteran UH to add to the depth chart at the

714
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 4: top of the depth chart in mind, here's my suggestion.

715
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 4: No sled pushing.

716
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: Probably good idea, leave that to leave that to us

717
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: professionals will be pushing the.

718
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 4: Sled because that that that just kind of muddled the

719
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: whole thing. I mean, he was Russell Wilson was signed,

720
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: brought to Pittsburgh to be the starting quarterback. You know,

721
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: the whole narrative that Justin Fields and I like Justin Fields,

722
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: I do. I think he handled himself well throughout his

723
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 4: time in Pittsburgh. But the whole notion that he was benched.

724
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: Increct. Yeah, he was a bench.

725
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: Come on, he was the backup, and he was when

726
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 4: the starter was healthy, the starter got the job. It's

727
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: no different than Terry Bradshaw and Mike Cruzick in nineteen

728
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: seventy six.

729
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: If Wilson never pushes that sled and injures his calf

730
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: on the second play of week one, nobody calls it

731
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: a benching.

732
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: If Will played in week one, that's what no.

733
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: I mean. If he if he never pushes that sled

734
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: and he is the week one starter and instead injures

735
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: himself the second play of the game, we'd all be like, oh,

736
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: we're just holding down the ford for Wilson as opposed

737
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: to fields got or you.

738
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: Know, or if you know some people who fall in

739
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 4: love running quarterbacks and think that that is the way

740
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: and I'm talking about fans, media and think that that's

741
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: the way to win a championship, which has never been

742
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 4: the case in modern football. Uh you know. I I

743
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 4: just the whole justin field is qualities that he exhibited

744
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 4: during his six starts I thought were way exaggerated. I

745
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 4: almost said over exaggerated. But I know Dale will go thinking, yeah, well,

746
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 4: that's like reaggravating an injury. But uh, you know, I

747
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: I he just his history is as a quarterback in

748
00:37:52,960 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 4: the NFL is that he had a problem diagnosing or

749
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: figuring out what the defense was doing and where that

750
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: meant he should go for the go with the ball,

751
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: and to make that decision in an anticipatory way. And

752
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: you know, as they say, throw the receiver open, because

753
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 4: if you wait for the receiver to be open and

754
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: then throw it too late, too late, especially if you're

755
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: trying to make your money over the middle.

756
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: So went from the pocket.

757
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 4: Right, go back, going back to Russell Wilson, I think

758
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 4: one of the things that ended up hurting him here

759
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: was that he was a little bit too much of

760
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 4: a gambler. Russell Wilson liked to, you know, go for it,

761
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: attack down the field. And you know, that's a that's

762
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 4: an admirable quality for a quarterback. I'm sure that helped

763
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: him and his time in Seattle when he won a

764
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 4: Super Bowl and took a team, took the team to

765
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: a second one. But you know, a team's tolerance for

766
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff grows based on your time together.

767
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: You know, having the ability to audible with the full

768
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: menu at your disposal is something that I believe in

769
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 4: the reality of the NFL, is something that quarterback has

770
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: to earn with that coach, with that coordinator, with that

771
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: man team's management. Sure Ben Roethlisberger could do that, but

772
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: do you think he was doing that when he was

773
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: a rookie, you know, or even in two thousand and

774
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: six seven. H I mean, it just doesn't It doesn't

775
00:39:54,040 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 4: work that way. And so all the chafing about he

776
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 4: doesn't get the chance to audible, Well, you know, maybe

777
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: that there was some basis for that or some history

778
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: there that you know, and it was, well, Russell Wilson

779
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 4: wasn't And I don't know where this information came from.

780
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: I'm just repeating it. I don't even know if it's true,

781
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 4: but Russell Wilson was not allowed to audible during the

782
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 4: December first game against Cincinnati, where the Steelers scored forty

783
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 4: four points. Well, you know, maybe that game, instead of

784
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 4: showing people why it was a good thing that they

785
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: weren't letting him do that, because if he was as

786
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: he was following the program so to speak, the offense

787
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 4: had a pretty good game, plus the Bengals defense stunk.

788
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: So but that's always kind of brushed off to the back.

789
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: So anyway, my point is that, you know, Russell Wilson

790
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 4: was a first year Steelers quarterback, and I think he

791
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 4: in his mind he was a twelve year veteran Steelers quarterback.

792
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 4: He was maybe a twelve or thirteen year NFL veteran quarterback.

793
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: But you know, what you did in Seattle in twenty

794
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: whatever year they won the Super Bowl doesn't carry any

795
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: weight for me. Now in twenty twenty four, you know

796
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: that doesn't doesn't carry any weight. It doesn't allow me

797
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 4: or me as the team to extend to you the

798
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: same leeway and trust instantly that you developed, you know,

799
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 4: based on what you'd done over the course of time.

800
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: It's unfortunate, but I mean, I just think that it's

801
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 4: to me, the worst part of it was that he

802
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: didn't get to start the season, and then you know,

803
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 4: circumstances as they existed, and the way the season ended,

804
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know that it was it would

805
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: have been healthy for anyone to run that one back.

806
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

807
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: Our guest has been Bob Labriola, the editor of Steelers

808
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: digestin Steelers dot com, the Dean of Doom, the Lord

809
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: of Living in his Fears Labs. We appreciate your time

810
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: as always. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

811
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio

812
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back with more

813
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: right after this.

814
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

815
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

816
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

817
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: And we are back on Dale Lolly. He is the

818
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt I believe the league has been

819
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: listening to the show because they should. Part of the

820
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: Competition committee proposals on a tweak to the kickoff rule

821
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: is that they would allow on side kicks at any time.

822
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: Oh good game. You just have to be trailing.

823
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: I don't know why that matters, but fair enough. I

824
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: mean you still have to announce.

825
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 2: It, but you can do it at any time during

826
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: the game.

827
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: Okay. It's they made so many changes of the kickoff rule

828
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 3: one year ago. They probably just took it a little

829
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: too far with that one, Like just why bother you know,

830
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: to make it a fourth quarter only thing. If you

831
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 3: want to do it in the opening kickoff, you should

832
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 3: have every right. Doesn't mean it's smart, but you should

833
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: have the right to do it.

834
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: What the league is not considering is the fourth and

835
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: long thing instead of the on sidekick.

836
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, thats good. I'm glad they're not to waste

837
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: their breath on that.

838
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: That's the same thing as the having a shootout in hockey,

839
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: which is dumb.

840
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: Different like having a homer in derby and baseball or

841
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: something point in.

842
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: Shooting contests or a spellings have a spelling right to

843
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: settle anything, right, you know, right, Yes, it's part of

844
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: the game, but it's not.

845
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: Not really, I mean, like a shootout, isn't. I mean,

846
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: I can live with.

847
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: And four and four because they don't want, you know,

848
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: overtime after overtime after overtime, but it's it's not the

849
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: game and not to me.

850
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: That's crazy to me.

851
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, fourth and long to keep the ball.

852
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: You could you can already if you if you want

853
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: to keep the ball, obviously it would be in a

854
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: scoring situation, so you get the ball back, but you

855
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to go for fourth down anytime you want,

856
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: any time you want, right right, right, Well, I add

857
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: another instance to.

858
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: It, I don't, I mean, it's nitpicky and I'm glad

859
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 3: that they are going to consider changing it to any

860
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: time in the game. Back to the original conversation. But

861
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 3: I don't even know why you have to be losing.

862
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: What if you're tied, What if you're winning by thirty

863
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: and you want to kick an onside kick? Who cares

864
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: do it?

865
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: You could always just doesn't mean it's smart. You could

866
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: always just tell your place kicker, we gonna flub this. Uh,

867
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna flub the point after here. So

868
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: it's it's seven six right now, but we're gonna go

869
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: on side with the next one, or maybe go for

870
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: two every time. And you just say, hey, if we

871
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: don't get it, we're gonna go on side again. I'm

872
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: just spitball.

873
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, say that's not your best idea either. I mean,

874
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: they still have like a three percent success rate or.

875
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: Something they're saying.

876
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: You know, I would. Again, I don't have the answer.

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Speaker 3: I'm much smart enough. I wish there was a better

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Speaker 3: percentage of being able to get on a on side kick,

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Speaker 3: But I do like to think off rule as it is,

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Speaker 3: and I'd like it a lot more if it's a

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Speaker 3: thirty five yard touchback than before. I think that's a really.

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Speaker 2: I think that would change some things because you'll get

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Speaker 2: more return The difference between where you were where the

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Speaker 2: ball was returned to and getting the ball to it was.

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Speaker 3: Like a yard twenty seven or eight, it was like

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Speaker 3: it was like a yard.

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Speaker 4: It was a little.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it really didn't matter all that much. Right now,

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Speaker 2: if you make it to thirty five, you're pining yesterday

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Speaker 2: it was twenty five yards, but it's still like a

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Speaker 2: two first downs. I probably have a field goal, right

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's not that much to ask. Or

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Speaker 2: one long completion gets me three points.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to blast out of the end zone, okay,

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Speaker 3: that'll add scoring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there'll be some instances where again, the kick

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Speaker 2: coverage is going going to matter more because if I

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Speaker 2: can pin somebody back inside to twenty, that's a huge difference.

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Speaker 3: That's a huge difference. If you're really good at it,

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Speaker 3: then you can get that ball to land inside the

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Speaker 3: five pretty consistently and your coverage is great. That's a

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Speaker 3: lot different than a thirty five yard start. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's big.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to a break that's going to do it

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